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MidgardDragon

03-20-2008, 08:17 PM

The only one I think I'll agree with (assuming someone doesn't post something that blows my mind and is sooo obvious that they should have done) is that Patricia should have been set up as a recurring star, not killed off.

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I think the last conversation in the episode between Clark and Lionel would have been a good opportunity for the former to ask the latter why he had Kara's bracelet locked up in his vault in his office.

The generalizations about Lionel's loyalties was enough to cover that.

Ginx

03-20-2008, 08:18 PM

I thought the biggest missed opportunity was the chance to explain how the key got to Virgil Swann at the end of Legacy. I was really hoping that when Clark read the journal in the end, he would have found that out.

well, Clark has one of a few diaries of Dr. Swann - that left the door open for

1) Clark to read the one diary he has to find out info and
2) to find the other diaries if they have more info - just my take on it anyway.

Still tie-in Dr. Swann even if his daughter is now gone - her being gone would further Clark's need to read everything he could that Swann knew - at least, again, that's my take on it - not sure if that's the way it'll go or not......

alienkinfolk

03-20-2008, 08:18 PM

I agree with jimmyolsenblues, once patricia said she was going to get a crib in Metropolis, I was like yesss!!
I could envision, CK coming to her for help and advice. She had a very motherly way with him. We could of learned sooo much more!

huked on foniks

03-20-2008, 08:20 PM

The only one I think I'll agree with (assuming someone doesn't post something that blows my mind and is sooo obvious that they should have done) is that Patricia should have been set up as a recurring star, not killed off.

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The generalizations about Lionel's loyalties was enough to cover that.

exactly, Patricia Swan didn't seem to have an big role, even though she was there the whole episode.

I wish she would have answered some questions about Veritas or gone in depth a lil more atleast.

sabi908

03-20-2008, 08:22 PM

like always....they would rather make more screen time for clana and other petty issues, then address the potent issues that pertain to the superman legacy.

Mr. Clark Kent27

03-20-2008, 08:27 PM

Its so bad when they just kill people off when they don't know what else to do with them. Like Grant, Raya, and Patrica. They use killing as an excuse. I had a feeling Patricia might die. Clark was just trapped in the cage the whole time.

This doesn't have anything to do with this episode, but Kara finally got her memory back, before there was no point in her haveing amnesia, I mean why? What did she have amnesia for? It was too weird. Kara and Lex seemed to be starting a new relationship for this show. Like the usuall, Lana, Clark's ex married to the enemy when she has no clue that he's a bad guy, and Clark is just protecting her.

Kara didn't do anything at the Luthor mansion or at the farm. When Kara was back at the farm and when she still had amnesia, we didn't see her with Clark at all. That was just bizarre. We only saw her hang out with Lex. That's pretty terrible to not write this in their episodes.

Kara finally got her memory back. Feels a bit better now, but it looked like something was going to continue on because the amnesic Kara thought Clark was bad to her because Lex told her that, but nothing ever happened when Kara had amnesia. It sucked anyways.

Spirit Detective

03-20-2008, 10:15 PM

Jor-El's voice

I was really expecting Terence Stamp during the Fortress scene

JLedge

03-20-2008, 10:34 PM

Jor-El's voice

I was really expecting Terence Stamp during the Fortress scene

MEEEEE TOOOOO!!!!

I really wanted a scene similar to the one in "Zod" when Jor-El talked to Martha.

LOVE LOVE LOVED THAT SCENE!

I kept waiting for Terence's booming majestic voice to say, "CHLOE SULLIVAN, FRIEND OF KAL-EL, WHY HAVE YOU COME?"

But alas - just some bright lights and fortress noises. :(

Radioflyer

03-20-2008, 10:47 PM

I thought the biggest missed opportunity was the chance to explain how the key got to Virgil Swann at the end of Legacy. I was really hoping that when Clark read the journal in the end, he would have found that out.They do have an extra season comming up so they gotta fill it with something. Might as well tie up some loose ends and chase a few rabbits on the way.

bizzaroboy9

03-20-2008, 11:14 PM

argghhhhh! the writers should have not killed off Patricia... :mad:

6-Super-Man -5

03-20-2008, 11:15 PM

Jor-El didn't even talk...

kryptonguy

03-20-2008, 11:29 PM

In their defense....killing off Patricia Swan was the thing to do if the next episode (Veritas) was to be the last one of the season.

Since it is not, we really probably could have used the character for a couple more episodes (in the present). Where she plays cat and mouse games with the Luthers....end result being the same.

LexLuv180

03-20-2008, 11:32 PM

Yeah I wish she hadn't been killed off so soon either, but on the other hand the big dramatic surprise was a great ending.

Blichew

03-21-2008, 01:28 AM

They should decisively show us a little scene with Chloe and Clark, like:
"-Chole, how did you convince Jor-El to restore Kara's memory? You haven't offer him your life in exchange or anything like that?"
"-Uhm, let's say I just told him what you really mean for me..."
*her face turns red a bit*
Our BDA knows what she's trying to say (for the first time ;) ), even if she didn't say it straight (about the *love* thing) and at least hugs her

Other scene that can occur in future episodes:
Jor-El: "Son, I think we need to talk. You know the father-son-talk thing..."
Kal-El: "Oh please, it's a bit too late for that, you know, me and Lana..."
Jor-El: "Cut the crap son. Send her to Bizarro, so she won't be left with nothing and take care of Chloe Sullivan... Listen to your father for God's sake !!!"

Ah well, none of these two would ever happen :(

GuardianAngel

03-21-2008, 02:42 AM

Jor-El's voice

I was really expecting Terence Stamp during the Fortress scene

That's what I was expecting, too!

And I didn't like the way they killed Patricia Swann so soon...

JustSuperMione

03-21-2008, 03:09 AM

Jor-El not speaking was strange... Normally he's that chatty kind when someone invades his crib ... Maybe he was brooding al la Kal-El style.:rotfl:

I think Lex having so much footage of Kara being a normal girl will come into play somehow... Another missed op is that Kara asked Chloe what they were doing in the FoS indicating that maybe she doesn't remember the time she had no memory! She could have heard/seen something at the mansion.

Patricia Swann (the Swan Princess :rotfl:) was definiately a missed oppotunity she could have given us and insight into the young Lex as well as Vertias. But her murder will prompt Clark to want to investiage and that will be good for his character arch. Maybe the big story Lois and Jimmy go after in future episodes is about this murder.

What was also a missed op was Lana and Chloe... After the mansion - where did Lana go? Then, after Kara's memory was returned - where did Chloe go? We had some character resotution with the Patrica at the end and even some Kara/Clark resolution but nothing about Lana saying she's kill Lex if he'd hurt Clark (or whatever she said). Did you see Chloes reaction to that..? :eek:

Lana has changed and Chloe needs to tell Clark just how much!!!

Hopefulsuicide

03-21-2008, 08:50 AM

argghhhhh! the writers should have not killed off Patricia... :mad:

maybe she faked her own death so that lionel wouldnt come after her

maybe it was a tranquiliser dart

or probably, they are just idiots and killed her off

now the book is the only thing that will be like a mother too him lol

wildenchantress_kt

03-21-2008, 09:50 PM

For the first time since Memoria we have a fully fledged toture Clark scenario. I was really worried about all the pain he endured during the scences when he was locked in that cage.

Patricia Swann should not have been killed of in this episode. Now that she is dead all her father's research would have been comprimsed. Plus there is the question of who Patricia's mother was... I think her mother was Bridgett Crosby. There was a conversation between Bridgett and Martha in Crusade when Martha slyly asked if Bridget was in a relationship Dr. Swann and Bridgett repiled, "In another lifetime."

If Lionel has killed off the last of the Swanns and the Teagues wouldn't that put Oliver Queen in danger. Clark has to warn him that he might be in danger even if it is off screen.

Atomic girl

03-21-2008, 10:07 PM

Wouldn't Oliver only be in danger if he has known about Veritas. He was a child, he probably knew nothing, and still knows nothing.

The biggest missed opportunity was no fireside(or loft) chat between Chloe and Clark. The episode didn't feel right without it. But I too think Patricia would have been a great recurring character.

Radioflyer

03-22-2008, 03:40 AM

Jor-El's voice

I was really expecting Terence Stamp during the Fortress scene Probably a budget or time restraint thing.

last man of krypton

03-22-2008, 05:38 AM

I thought the biggest missed opportunity was the chance to explain how the key got to Virgil Swann at the end of Legacy. I was really hoping that when Clark read the journal in the end, he would have found that out.

A giant magnet maybe? Seriously though, that's something I've wanted an explanation of for ages. Perhaps it was asking for too much, but given all the other references to past episodes ("Lockdown", the Swanns, Teagues and Queens, 33.1, etc), a line from Patricia saying her father had access to the caves via the messages Jor-El had given him would've been great. I do hope that it'll be mentioned in the journal instead.

The biggest missed opportunity was no fireside(or loft) chat between Chloe and Clark. The episode didn't feel right without it. But I too think Patricia would have been a great recurring character.

To be honest, I'm glad there wasn't a pseudo-romantic moment. No Lana, no "will they/won't they" to close off the episode, just an ending that seems like there should be a "to be continued" shown.

Hopefulsuicide

03-22-2008, 05:57 AM

huge lack of psychological pain... plenty of physical pain... i wanted to see him shaken by the event

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lack of any real anger towards Lionel from anyone... god i wish Martha were here to have seen this... she would have given him a peice of her mind. anyone would have been good... Lana said she'd kill Lex if he hurt Clark, but she's not even gonna yell at Lionel?

also feel like an opportunity was missed for a really big fight scene at the beginning... i mean the guy said 'i can see why they want you'... but i couldnt see why lol

it could have been amazing, using his super hearin to hear their heart beats but getting caught by the taser, ripping it out, then shooting all the other tazers that were flying at him with his heat vision... i like him throwing the guy, but why not throw a few more, have a bit more action? when he first threw the guy he could have tried to speed away, but he didnt. he just stood there... god it could have been edge of your seat stuff... one taser at a time slowly slowing him down as the men came at him one by one, and they all end up on the floor... but they have weakened him enough to get him

xrayvision

03-22-2008, 09:08 AM

A giant magnet maybe? Seriously though, that's something I've wanted an explanation of for ages. Perhaps it was asking for too much, but given all the other references to past episodes ("Lockdown", the Swanns, Teagues and Queens, 33.1, etc), a line from Patricia saying her father had access to the caves via the messages Jor-El had given him would've been great. I do hope that it'll be mentioned in the journal instead.

The key had to be teleported to Dr. Swann by a portal in the cave wall for him to have gotten it so fast. That tells me that Swann & Jor-El had some sort of connection or deal going. What would be cool is if they reveal the Jor-El AI as being a secret member of Veritas who joined but Swann knew about him being a part of it. Then Lionel would have found something out while he was Jor-El's emissary this season and wants to move in to trap Clark for whatever reason. It would be very hard to explain this though.

GuardianAngel

03-22-2008, 10:30 AM

^Sorry Xrayvision, but the explanation is way more simple.

Distance is a very relative concept on "Smallville". How else would you explain the fact that Chloe works at the Daily Planet but sleeps in her flat at the Talon?

Hopefulsuicide

03-23-2008, 05:31 AM

:rotfl:

jimmyolsenblues

07-31-2008, 06:13 PM

my biggest missed opportunity is that killing off Patricia too soon, she is a great character.

haltoe

08-02-2008, 05:02 PM

Jor-El's voice

I was really expecting Terence Stamp during the Fortress scene

I completely agree. I'd have liked to have seen him talk to Kara and explain why he distrusted her as the daughter of Zor-el even though Lara loved her.

The it would have been a fine thing for the two in a brief but fruitful conversation rsolve their differences, at least to join in a common goal, to save Clark. Kara and Jor-el's
talk could have have gone something like this.......

"Kara."
"Uncle Jor-el?"
"My wife loved you almost as if you were her own. But I could not trust the daughter of Zor-el."
"He was my father! I thought the world of him. He seemed to be the wisest and kindest man there was. You think it's easy to learn the truth?"
"I trust you have finally learned your lesson and that I am not letting a wish cloud my judgment. You are my son's last hope."

Fearless Freep

09-10-2008, 01:32 AM

Plus there is the question of who Patricia's mother was... I think her mother was Bridgett Crosby. There was a conversation between Bridgett and Martha in Crusade when Martha slyly asked if Bridget was in a relationship Dr. Swann and Bridgett repiled, "In another lifetime."

I believe Margot was just giving a coy reference to Superman the Movie.