Clark...more like superman, or less?

[AndiGirl]

I know all of these new discoveries are supposed to lead Clark towards his destiny, but they almost seem to be pushing him further away. I dont know if it's just me...but he seemed particularly harsh this episode. saying that Lionel and Lex are a "lost cause." Granted...I think Lex is, and possible Lionel too, but is that something superman would say? Part of me thinks Clark's becoming realistic...and realizing he cant trust everyone, and the other part thinks he's becoming incredibly jayded and cynical...which isnt superman at all. What do you all think?

[jimmyolsenblues]

less....way less.......
hiding out on the barn ain't superman.
Go help people clark.
Go save people.
Go feed the hungry.
Do something...
Stop playing with tractor parts.

[sabi908]

LESS!

with each passing episode...my doubts about him becoming Superman get stronger

[AndiGirl]

But wouldnt the writers start to turn all of this around at some point? I thought having doctor swanns daughter talk to him would have made some dent....but then he tells Kara Lionel and Lex arent savable....so it looks like he continues to digress. :(

[MidgardDragon]

More, much more. He's been more like Superman in Season 5-7 then the farmboy ever could have been.

[Minela]

He seemd less like Superman, but I think this is just the big set-up for later. You'll see in Veritas and Descend he will learn he was wrong in Traveler. Just you wait and see.

[AndiGirl]

He seemd less like Superman, but I think this is just the big set-up for later. You'll see in Veritas and Descend he will learn he was wrong in Traveler. Just you wait and see.

I hope so....his words to Lionel were very harsh. I dont remember what he said exactly....but Lionel said "I'm not that man anymore" and there was dramatic music...and without even blinking Clark says "yes you are." And walks out. Not very Superman esque to me. But considering he was just tortured...seems kind of understandable

[jazel]

I know there are fans and members out there, that don't appreciate the fans and members, who complain about Smallville. But I'm seriously on the verge of giving up on this show altogether. Seven years(going on 8), is a long time to invest in a tv show. Sadly, I still see NO evidence of the future man, CK is suppose to become. Heros are born, he shouldn't have to be talked into who he ultimately becomes. Seems with every epi, the chance of seeing that Superhero, become slimmer and slimmer. It's even sadder that viewers get more excited about "other" heros, and the villians most are only vaguely familiar with. If Lois wasn't around, I know I'd stop watching. At this point, I wish they'd write her off the show. I'm not looking forward to them ruining Lois Lane like they have the Legend that was Superman.:(

[Eri-El]

He seemd less like Superman, but I think this is just the big set-up for later. You'll see in Veritas and Descend he will learn he was wrong in Traveler. Just you wait and see.


I agree Minela.............:D

[superspider02]

Well i think he has become more superman like since season 5. but the whole thing he said about the luthors at the end he is probably finally realizing they dont have any good in them any more. He does try to look for the good in everyone but he probably now thinks they dont have any spark of goodness left to save.

[xrayvision]

Depends on the episode. In Fracture, I thought he was very Superman-like after saying he would never give up on Lex. I thought the opposite about him in this episode. The biggest problem is that he is letting the world's problems slip through his fingers. He is learning about everything from other people than on his own--as he should be doing if he is ever to become a reporter.

[AndiGirl]

More, much more. He's been more like Superman in Season 5-7 then the farmboy ever could have been.

I would honestly take the season 4 or 5 Clark over this one. In the beginning he was a little naive farm boy, who wasnt aware of his fate. This clark is blatanly denying his destiny. He knows whats at stake...and still, he wants to play house with Lana. Atleast the old Clark had heart, which this Clark seems to be seriously lacking. A major part of superman is his compassion...and Clark just seems to be shrugging his shoulders.

[sabi908]

yea and when do we see Clark becoming a reporter??????

That's a huge part of his destiny too or did AlMiles conveniently forget about that

[TECHWON]

I know all of these new discoveries are supposed to lead Clark towards his destiny, but they almost seem to be pushing him further away. I dont know if it's just me...but he seemed particularly harsh this episode. saying that Lionel and Lex are a "lost cause." Granted...I think Lex is, and possible Lionel too, but is that something superman would say? Part of me thinks Clark's becoming realistic...and realizing he cant trust everyone, and the other part thinks he's becoming incredibly jayded and cynical...which isnt superman at all. What do you all think?


i think everything that has happen to him over the past seasons he realizing what johnathan kent was always saying that you can't trust the luthors for as far as you can get your hands on some kryptonite. plus look at all the manipulated stuff he has put clark through and look how he nearly turned lana against him. i'll admit i was almost fooled by lionel that he was good or at least turned it somewhat but then again he will always be bad to the bone because that what he's used too and even when it seems he's doing good it's only to appear this way for his own tyrannical purposes.

[xrayvision]

I would honestly take the season 4 or 5 Clark over this one. In the beginning he was a little naive farm boy, who wasnt aware of his fate. This clark is blatanly denying his destiny. He knows whats at stake...and still, he wants to play house with Lana. Atleast the old Clark had heart, which this Clark seems to be seriously lacking. A major part of superman is his compassion...and Clark just seems to be shrugging his shoulders.

I think the Clark of the first 3 seasons was the best. Even though he was early in his journey, his behavior & attitude were a lot better. Shattered is one of the best episodes regarding Clark being proactive. He did everything he could to protect his friends, and even though he failed, you couldn't hold it against him. I wish they would have stuck to that formula of development. In that episode, he was out to look for whatever info he could find about Lex's condition, Morgan Edge & Lionel and did not rely on others as much as he does now. I was just more convinced he was set for becoming Superman then than now. There were some episodes like Bizarro, Cure, and a few others this season that did a much better job portraying him, but there were many more that did the opposite.

[AndiGirl]

I agree with what somene else said....I never imagined they would have to use so much persuasion to get the future superman into action. I do understand he's young...but come on Clark...Lana's pancakes cant be that good! ;)

[susangail]

At the crucial scene with Lionel, it occurred to me how different Clark's reaction was to what it might have been even a season ago. One can continue to have hope without being naive, but Clark was just too tender for so long. He's toughening up, which is good -- can someone really save the world as an emo? I don't think so.

[warriorrenegade]

Let's just say he's closer to being Supes. He still needs more life experiences before he's ready to strap on a red cape and proclaim to the world he's here to protect it. So far he's doing a good enough job from his doorstep.

[bklvr]

I wonder if Patricia Swan's death will be the trigger that makes him finally move into his training?

[SnowBird]

I'm going to be in the minority. It's only the seventh season. Clark started out as a freshman in high school. It takes many more years of life experience to take on the mantle of Superman. Why is everyone in a hurry to get Clark off the farm? When he does leave, Smallville will be over. Clark hasn't been on his own very long. He is just becoming an adult. Yet, there are those that want him to put the suit on and save the world. You know what his future is so let him gain some experience and knowledge which takes more years than critics are willing to give Clark. I'm enjoying the progress that Clark is making and that it isn't hurried because it is more realistic. This is from someone who lives on a farm so don't knock it. The farm is where Clark got his good work ethics. He will have to leave soon enough...In closing, yes, I do believe Clark is more like Superman...Okay, now be easy on me with your comments...LOL:)

[LexLuv180]

Even Superman was never perfect 100% of the time with all he said, and had emotions that sometimes caused him to say things he perhaps shouldn't have. I don't think that discussion is the ultimate end-all for Clark's future Superman status.

[brando_2185]

Well...honestly I do believe Superman would say the "Luthors, are a lost cause..." because he's invested so much time and energy into them...and looked what they've did to him in the end.

Even though Clark sees the good in people...he knows even the Luthor's best/good sides are evil...

And I agree with MidgardDragon, he's been more like Supes in seasons 5-7 than ever before...I cannot wait for next week's episode!

[the highlander]

People.. He is just trying to have a life of his own. He really wants that and is trying to be "normal". Soon he will realize that his meaning is far greater than his own interests... he is always been a hero. He is trying to be both. Like in Heroes... A life of meaning and a life of happiness..

[maryjanewatson]

Clarks attitude was much more like Superman's in the first 3 seasons of smallville than it is now. He has definitely regressed since then.

remember in those years, he constantly put others before himself and his happiness, even people he didn't know. Now he pretty much just looks out for himself and a perimeter around his farm of about 5 miles.

[Chloelicious]

Superman has doubts too. . . .

[LexLuv180]

yea and when do we see Clark becoming a reporter??????

That's a huge part of his destiny too or did AlMiles conveniently forget about that

I always thought it was something he decided after his training, as an idea of how to know who is in trouble quicker

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People.. He is just trying to have a life of his own. He really wants that and is trying to be "normal". Soon he will realize that his meaning is far greater than his own interests... he is always been a hero. He is trying to be both. Like in Heroes... A life of meaning and a life of happiness..

That's how I've always saw it. Not ready to let that go yet doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be Superman in the future IMO.

["Lois I Never Lie"]

I think what the show is trying to accomplish is what trials and tribulations shape and mould CK into what we will all call the greatest hero of them all. Superman is a symbol for everything good that is in this world, he is a reflection of what we all hope is inside each and every one of us and something that we all strife to achieve in this life which is to truly make a difference, however this doesn’t happen overnight or for that matter in as little as 7 or 8 seasons. Ill admit that sometimes the writers have got it completely wrong but then who is perfect. I’m enjoying watching this show and always have and each time that CK shows the slightest sign of the mantle that he will display when he dons the cape and tights I have to admit it lights me up inside. I’m looking forward to the rest of the season and keep up the good work guys.

[HalJordan4184]

Clark will be 22 years old. He's at the point in life, where just about every person, is out there starting to do what they will be doing for their life. He should be graduating college, and starting a career. Instead, he's done NOTHING. Clark has done absolutely nothing. I'm left wondering exactly how he's closer to being Superman, than when he actually cared, and went out of his way to help people.

Clark has nothing left to discover about his future. Right now, he's too worried about not getting to play house with Lana to do anything else.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Plus Tom Welling is almost 30 years old.
Its hard to be 30 and act immature.
Clark has to accept his destiny and start looking for people to help.
There are no people who need saving in the kent barn.
(little trivia....Tom's Birthday ...26 April 1977)
Happy early BDay BDA.

[LexLuv180]

Clark will be 22 years old. He's at the point in life, where just about every person, is out there starting to do what they will be doing for their life. He should be graduating college, and starting a career. Instead, he's done NOTHING. Clark has done absolutely nothing. I'm left wondering exactly how he's closer to being Superman, than when he actually cared, and went out of his way to help people.

Clark has nothing left to discover about his future. Right now, he's too worried about not getting to play house with Lana to do anything else.

Most people about to turn 22 are in no way settled for life. They also don't have to deal with the extremes Clark does. The college thing was put on hold because of his father and the farm, he sacrificed that at the time. Yes, he should go back at some point, but then that would mean years more being tied up where he couldn't go for training, right?

He has DONE things - he's hunted and destroyed all the released phantoms, he's fought Braniac twice, fought Zod, and he's saved multiple people a multitude of times. He's not Superman yet, but to say he's done nothing and is stagnant for no good reason isn't true.

[LoveHurts38]

Less...I still see Lana.

[Hopefulsuicide]

the thing is Clark only ever saves people when a) he feels like it's his fault/ his responsibility or b) its happening right in front of his face, or to one of his loved ones

he has no faith in himself as a hero. he has always wanted to just be normal. and he would give his powers up in a second. He doesnt deserve them. Yes he has helped a lot of people, but that isnt enough to make him superman

Superman is bigger than this. He gives and gives and gives and he never expects anything back. He always sees the good in people.

Clark has seen what he could be doing, he could be out there with Oliver, or he could simply do a little on the side hero stuff in metropolis in his free time. But he doesnt. He just does farm work. It goes against Superman's nature. Especially now, when there is barely anything keeping him where he is. His mother is gone, no one actually cares about the farm. Nothing is keeping Lana in smallville but Clark. They could both just get a flat in Metropolis and he could help people. But he doesnt.

Wimp

[LexLuv180]

The show is showing he's just not ready yet, and he's not Superman yet. Otherwise there would be no Smallville.

[Hopefulsuicide]

why isnt he ready yet? how many more reasons is he going to find to put off his destiny?

[LexLuv180]

He's a little slow on the uptake apparently :) But I'm glad for right now, as that means another season for me to watch. If he was ready and left, the show would sadly be over :(

[Hopefulsuicide]

well im willing to allow him to take baby steps forwards, but it just feels like he is taking huge steps backwards

[HalJordan4184]

I'd rather have had the show end well, than continue to drag on until the viewership has dropped, and no one is left watching anymore. I remember when the show came out, and everyone was talking all about the five year plan of smallville. When five years was done, it was the six year plan, then the seven, and now eight. Next year it might be the 9 year plan, and the ten year after that.

The producers supposedly has the whole series planned out. You couldn't tell it from watching though, because they have to keep repeating plot element's, and putting everything off, so it doesn't end at a logical point.

On the topic of 22 year olds..

Clark is supposed to be MORE MATURE than me, or you, or anyone else. That's the problem. He doesn't have a clue what he wants. Two years ago he did. He was going to be a journalist, and go to school with Chloe. That idea lasted... about 5 epsiodes, then he dropped out of school, and gave up on life.

There hasn't been progression,because as everyone keeps pointing out, that would mean the show would be at an ending point. They are purposely moving him backwards, because to someone, that makes the transition to hero more poignant and meaningful. To me, it makes it more unrealistic, and unlikely. I can't see this Clark being Superman, because he doesn't WANT to be Superman. It isn't something CLark decided at thirty. It wasn't ever anythign CLark really decided. It was something that just seemed natural to him. This Clark, natural would be spending his life running away, and avoiding everything. Those zoners he stopped, and all that, let's not forget it's his fault they all got released in the first place, because of his running from his destiny, and refusing to do the right thing when the chance came up.

[SpiritedDiva]

Jerry, you have a valid point. But, even though Clark hasn't made much progression, the show has addressed this. It hasn't been ignored. Recently, was it Siren, where Oliver brought this to clark's attention? Saying that he was sitting on a couch in domestic bliss while others were out saving the world. The fact that this was brought up says to me that some changes will be brought about soon.

[susangail]

There hasn't been progression,because as everyone keeps pointing out, that would mean the show would be at an ending point. They are purposely moving him backwards, because to someone, that makes the transition to hero more poignant and meaningful. To me, it makes it more unrealistic, and unlikely. I can't see this Clark being Superman, because he doesn't WANT to be Superman. It isn't something CLark decided at thirty. It wasn't ever anything CLark really decided. It was something that just seemed natural to him. This Clark, natural would be spending his life running away, and avoiding everything. Those zoners he stopped, and all that, let's not forget it's his fault they all got released in the first place, because of his running from his destiny, and refusing to do the right thing when the chance came up.

Excellent point; I agree wholeheartedly. In addition, the idea that Clark somehow needs to be trained to do this always escaped me. I could see Clark needing to be trained in the knowledge of the galaxies known to Krypton (to give him a leg up on saving Earth) but not in being a hero.

[xrayvision]

I can't see this Clark being Superman, because he doesn't WANT to be Superman. It isn't something CLark decided at thirty. It wasn't ever anythign CLark really decided. It was something that just seemed natural to him.

Exactly. All the characteristics of Superman should be inherent. The only thing he would need is experience, not desire. That is what should have been slowly built up. If he truly tried and failed because he made mistakes that someone who is young would make, then I would think that is considered good development (as long as he learns and doesn't repeat the same mistake). A lesson he learned in Hereafter (how people he saved may be killers) had to be learned again in Fade.

[Radioflyer]

I'm going to be in the minority. It's only the seventh season. Clark started out as a freshman in high school. It takes many more years of life experience to take on the mantle of Superman. Why is everyone in a hurry to get Clark off the farm? When he does leave, Smallville will be over. Clark hasn't been on his own very long. He is just becoming an adult. Yet, there are those that want him to put the suit on and save the world. You know what his future is so let him gain some experience and knowledge which takes more years than critics are willing to give Clark. I'm enjoying the progress that Clark is making and that it isn't hurried because it is more realistic. This is from someone who lives on a farm so don't knock it. The farm is where Clark got his good work ethics. He will have to leave soon enough...In closing, yes, I do believe Clark is more like Superman...Okay, now be easy on me with your comments...LOL:)Hear,hear.

[Blue screen of death]

I'm going to be in the minority. It's only the seventh season. Clark started out as a freshman in high school. It takes many more years of life experience to take on the mantle of Superman. Why is everyone in a hurry to get Clark off the farm? When he does leave, Smallville will be over. Clark hasn't been on his own very long. He is just becoming an adult. Yet, there are those that want him to put the suit on and save the world. You know what his future is so let him gain some experience and knowledge which takes more years than critics are willing to give Clark. I'm enjoying the progress that Clark is making and that it isn't hurried because it is more realistic. This is from someone who lives on a farm so don't knock it. The farm is where Clark got his good work ethics. He will have to leave soon enough...In closing, yes, I do believe Clark is more like Superman...Okay, now be easy on me with your comments...LOL:)

agreed, also as lex stated in an earlier episode "the path to darkness is not a switch, it is a journey." The same is should be said about clark. The path to greatness is not a switch, it is a journey."

[Hopefulsuicide]

I'd rather have had the show end well, than continue to drag on until the viewership has dropped, and no one is left watching anymore. I remember when the show came out, and everyone was talking all about the five year plan of smallville. When five years was done, it was the six year plan, then the seven, and now eight. Next year it might be the 9 year plan, and the ten year after that.

The producers supposedly has the whole series planned out. You couldn't tell it from watching though, because they have to keep repeating plot element's, and putting everything off, so it doesn't end at a logical point.

On the topic of 22 year olds..

Clark is supposed to be MORE MATURE than me, or you, or anyone else. That's the problem. He doesn't have a clue what he wants. Two years ago he did. He was going to be a journalist, and go to school with Chloe. That idea lasted... about 5 epsiodes, then he dropped out of school, and gave up on life.

There hasn't been progression,because as everyone keeps pointing out, that would mean the show would be at an ending point. They are purposely moving him backwards, because to someone, that makes the transition to hero more poignant and meaningful. To me, it makes it more unrealistic, and unlikely. I can't see this Clark being Superman, because he doesn't WANT to be Superman. It isn't something CLark decided at thirty. It wasn't ever anythign CLark really decided. It was something that just seemed natural to him. This Clark, natural would be spending his life running away, and avoiding everything. Those zoners he stopped, and all that, let's not forget it's his fault they all got released in the first place, because of his running from his destiny, and refusing to do the right thing when the chance came up.


i totally agree with you.

the show should have ended a long time ago... if the writers had stuck to that 5 year plan it would have ended a good show. i remember back in season 4 people where talking bout the fact season 5 would be the last season as any more would be implausible...

now here we are in season 7, leading up to an 8th season... and i wouldnt put it past them to make a 9th

i'm 20, and i'm from a small town. yeah i dont have superpowers, but i have an idea of the direction of my life. i know that if i had the opportunity i would go with Oliver and do the best i could, despite having someone back home who loved me... its more impotant than some high school sweet heart

and it's pretty clear thats the take that other superman scenarios have taken... she is always seen as the high school girl, who he left behind

[AndiGirl]

I realize it's going to take time for Clark to completely come into his role as superman...but I never thought he would take the trip kicking and screaming. :(. He is 22 years old, I'm 21....and even I know right and wrong. His age shouldnt be used as a crutch. The whole "we all go through an immature stage" is just a cop out. I agree with someone else's comment...at 22 you should be putting a life together for yourself...and each week Clark jumps back and forth between the farm and his destiny. Almost like he will do the right thing when he feels like it. I dont remember this persons name either (sorry guys!!) but you have a pic of Lana with horns? :lol:. Oh...Becky! Any way....not the point, but you made a great point. Clark only jumps into actions when it's right infront of his face and he has to do something, or it effects him directly. Not really the makings for a super hero. I do realize he is a person...and has every right to take time and figure out what he wants from life. But he should be making progress by now...even if thats baby steps. And if you watch the show it's clear he is a lost little puppy, who has no idea what he wants from life. All he knows is he's "supposed" to want to spend his life with Lana...so he's trying to force that out at the farm.

[Hopefulsuicide]

maybe we are being a little hard on Clark in smallville... i mean Superman as we knew him didnt go through 7 seasons of every week dealing with a new crisis

:rotfl:

[HalJordan4184]

Yeah, stupid Superman, he has no idea what it's like to try to be Clark Kent... :rolleyes:

[Kal-El-073]

maybe we are being a little hard on Clark in smallville... i mean Superman as we knew him didnt go through 7 seasons of every week dealing with a new crisis

:rotfl:

I agree with this. You have to take the different continuities into account here. The only time young Clark ever had to deal with all of these different problems was in the Superboy continuity. Clark should seem a bit naive due to the fact that he has yet to complete his training. Until he does complete it he'll lack the intelligence and common sense that Superman poseses.

[Hopefulsuicide]

sorry, not sure if people realised the sarcasm and inference in my comment

i'm meaning to say that trying to drag his teenage years out for 7 seasons, and trying to cram in all this action into those 7 years of his life, will of course lead to a character that is completely un superman like

unavoidable, im not suggesting they should have made the show more boring so that he would be more likely to become superman, but it's is hard to see

[AndiGirl]

sorry, not sure if people realised the sarcasm and inference in my comment

i'm meaning to say that trying to drag his teenage years out for 7 seasons, and trying to cram in all this action into those 7 years of his life, will of course lead to a character that is completely un superman like

unavoidable, im not suggesting they should have made the show more boring so that he would be more likely to become superman, but it's is hard to see

I got your sarcasm...dont worry! :lol:.

[Kal-El-073]

sorry, not sure if people realised the sarcasm and inference in my comment

I got your sarcasm. Yours was just the best quote to go from for me to make my point.

[Hopefulsuicide]

okay, just checking :p

[HalJordan4184]

I got it as well, that was a sarcastic reply on my part.

I think you could easily make a show about Clark, along his journey to becoming the man of steel. However, you just can't do it the way Smallville did. There would be a lot more helping regular people out of regular problems, and a lot less show downs with Brainiac, and battles with superintelligent, alien computer programs, that act your dead father.

[Theshadow129x]

I know there are fans and members out there, that don't appreciate the fans and members, who complain about Smallville. But I'm seriously on the verge of giving up on this show altogether. Seven years(going on 8), is a long time to invest in a tv show. Sadly, I still see NO evidence of the future man, CK is suppose to become. Heros are born, he shouldn't have to be talked into who he ultimately becomes. Seems with every epi, the chance of seeing that Superhero, become slimmer and slimmer. It's even sadder that viewers get more excited about "other" heros, and the villians most are only vaguely familiar with. If Lois wasn't around, I know I'd stop watching. At this point, I wish they'd write her off the show. I'm not looking forward to them ruining Lois Lane like they have the Legend that was Superman.:(

sadly thats the truth i mean at this point in the show they have every character telling him what to do with his abilites and its just sad to me because like Jazel said heroes shouldnt have to be pushed into their destiny. and we get too excited for all the other characters instead of the main character we are supposed to cheer for. i find myself cheering for Lex everytime he plunges deeper into his dark side. i shouldnt have to do that but i do because i think he is the only character progressing.

[Hopefulsuicide]

sadly for me, they ruined Lois already

even more astonishingly, they ruined Chloe... i mean they MADE her, how could they ruin her too?

[Theshadow129x]

^ thats the question. they totally ran out of things to do with every character. I dont see chloe as ruined i just dont like that they push her down the tube to hell that they sent every other character down

[Jo-jo]

I strongly agree...clark is what, in his early 20's and hasn't even began THIKING about using his powers the way he should be.Other heros G/A...Augaman ...flash even Black Canary have emerge and with said...how can Superman be the JLA leader if he hasn't even start thinking about it at least.
Season 8 has to concentrate on clark taking that step to becoming Superman and start getting him together romantically with Lois. She has dated half the JLA . I love the show smallville but they have seriously mess up the mythology badly. Any true Superman fan would agree.

[Theshadow129x]

I strongly agree...clark is what, in his early 20's and hasn't even began THIKING about using his powers the way he should be.Other heros G/A...Augaman ...flash even Black Canary have emerge and with said...how can Superman be the JLA leader if he hasn't even start thinking about it at least.
Season 8 has to concentrate on clark taking that step to becoming Superman and start getting him together romantically with Lois. She has dated half the JLA . I love the show smallville but they have seriously mess up the mythology badly. Any true Superman fan would agree.



I agree with you here. Clark's age has nothing to do with his moral compass of wanting to do something better with himself and better the world. At 22 you really develop a mindset of what needs to be done and what you need to do to get it done and whats right and wrong and he doesnt have that mindset.

I remember a few weeks ago I made a thread in the Siren Forum about Green Arrow telling Clark he was selfish. Nospam told me Green arrow didnt know what he was talking about because GA will never save as many people as Clark. Its true he would never save as many people as Clark but the fact is that its nto about what you are going to do its about what you are doing. Green Arrow is still a little bit older than Clark and is a billionaire. He could have said the hell with teh rest of the world and use his money on himself but instead he's saving people because the world needs someone to save them. the same with Flash and Cyborg and hell even Aqua man. and with the little bit of episodes they have been on they have had more character progression than Clark Kent who is going to someday be the greatest superhero of all time.....yeah doesnt make sense any to me either.

[AndiGirl]

sadly for me, they ruined Lois already

even more astonishingly, they ruined Chloe... i mean they MADE her, how could they ruin her too?

I thought they ruined Lois from the beginning...:rotfl:. No not really, dont attack me people! She has the spunk...but she's seriously lacking the heart. She shows it now and then, but most of the time...she seems very hard. Then...you would think she and Clark would have some initial attraction, seeing as they end up together. But if there is something there...I missed it.

Then....as much as a adore her, they are doing a number on Chloe as well. She isnt the fun loving, spunky Chloe she used to be. I still think she's fabulous...and has to have the biggest heart I've ever seen....but we are slowly watching her throw her dreams down the drain (I'm talking about working at the DP).

It's a good question...not sure how they could taint something they created...but there it is. I still dont think Chloe is that bad....just missing her spunk. Lois stole it! :rotfl:

[Hopefulsuicide]

i said 'already' but i too have never been captured by erica's/ smallville's Lois Lane. i agree she is too hard. only thing i like about her is that she teases Clark and calls him smallville, reminiscent of Lois and Clark

[All about Clark]

I think he has been more Supermanly in Season 7. I think at this point, he wants to be that person, but it just seems too impossible right now, that is especially how I felt while he was talking with Patricia. And yeah, you would be in a confused state, if something you needed to do seemed too overwhelming. It's like he's spinning in circles cause he doesn't know which way to go. At first he tries to do his training and Jor-el sends him home, it's got to be confusing on where do I go from here.

Some have mentioned Clark's statement about Lionel to Kara as not being very Supermanly. I think Clark would always save them if he could, I think the difference is that he didn't want Kara to put any trust into either of them, because they weren't trustworthy, not that they shouldn't be saved IMO. That they were a lost cause, because they don't operate with motives similar to the way they would. You can not trust someone and still want them safe.

[Brizzle]

Haha he is more like a wannabe Superman. Sorry folks but Clark just doesn't have it to be Superman. Everyone who watches this show should know this.

[GuardianAngel]

I think he has been more Supermanly in Season 7. I think at this point, he wants to be that person, but it just seems too impossible right now, that is especially how I felt while he was talking with Patricia. And yeah, you would be in a confused state, if something you needed to do seemed too overwhelming. It's like he's spinning in circles cause he doesn't know which way to go. At first he tries to do his training and Jor-el sends him home, it's got to be confusing on where do I go from here.


He did look more Supermanly in the first two episodes of the season but then went downhill again.

Watching Smallville's Clark become Superman is worse than playing Monopoly: there's always that square/episode which sends him three steps back or directly to jail/back at odds with Jor-el. and forgetting there is a world outside Smallville.

[HalJordan4184]

I remember a few weeks ago I made a thread in the Siren Forum about Green Arrow telling Clark he was selfish. Nospam told me Green arrow didnt know what he was talking about because GA will never save as many people as Clark. Its true he would never save as many people as Clark but the fact is that its nto about what you are going to do its about what you are doing. Green Arrow is still a little bit older than Clark and is a billionaire. He could have said the hell with teh rest of the world and use his money on himself but instead he's saving people because the world needs someone to save them. the same with Flash and Cyborg and hell even Aqua man. and with the little bit of episodes they have been on they have had more character progression than Clark Kent who is going to someday be the greatest superhero of all time.....yeah doesnt make sense any to me either.


I remember a great quote from Lois and Clark. Lois was talking to Clark, and the idea of Superman came up. She told him flat out, it's not his powers that makes him special, it's what he stands for, and what he does. It's the idea of Superman that's so powerful.

On Smallville, GA is more of a Superman than Clark Kent is. It's not how high your save count is. Of course someone with superhuman speed, senses, reflexes, strength, and nigh invulnerability is going to be able to save more people than someone without those powers. However, GA is actually going out there, and trying to save people. At this point, and pretty much forever as far as Smallville is concerned, GA and the rest of the League will be so far ahead of Clark it isn't funny. Clark might stop an asteroid or something, or save people, but his heart has never been in it as much as everyone else. And at it's core, that is what Superman is about, his character, and willingness to always do the right thing, no matter how hard it is. SOmething Clark rarely, if ever does on Smallville.

[All about Clark]

I think Clark does try to the right thing no matter how hard it is. I just think he's confused relating to what is expected of him. It's like someone who just doesn't know what to do next. In a state of limbo until something big forces him out of it. Like he's in a rut. He's continuing to learn, but not act, because he doesn't know what action to make.

[Theshadow129x]

I remember a great quote from Lois and Clark. Lois was talking to Clark, and the idea of Superman came up. She told him flat out, it's not his powers that makes him special, it's what he stands for, and what he does. It's the idea of Superman that's so powerful.

On Smallville, GA is more of a Superman than Clark Kent is. It's not how high your save count is. Of course someone with superhuman speed, senses, reflexes, strength, and nigh invulnerability is going to be able to save more people than someone without those powers. However, GA is actually going out there, and trying to save people. At this point, and pretty much forever as far as Smallville is concerned, GA and the rest of the League will be so far ahead of Clark it isn't funny. Clark might stop an asteroid or something, or save people, but his heart has never been in it as much as everyone else. And at it's core, that is what Superman is about, his character, and willingness to always do the right thing, no matter how hard it is. SOmething Clark rarely, if ever does on Smallville.


One hundred percent agreed. the biggest problem i've had with this show is that he was supposed to inspire others to the cause of doing everything you can to save the many lives of people, but he isn't inspiring anyone anymore. I think the last two season (six and seven) have demolished the way I look at him. I mean he got Impulse away from a life of crime and Aquaman away from terrorism and he also told Cyborg that he should help other people with his abilities but i think after that he kind went downhill from there.

You're right about it being at the core, in the heart, simply it isnt something people should push you to do. Some great leaders in our country have been inspired to be leaders or some just simply believe in something so much they move others to their cause, but Clark Kent has to be pushed and told what to do with his life and its really sad. I really don't see this Clark Kent as a real Superman, heck I don't know if I want to see the last episode and they call him Superman because I don't think he deserves it. Season 8 is going to be a light switch for the character because wanting to help people shouldn't just come after you lose the ones you love right away, it comes after years of wanting to do something for those who can't do for themselves. a leader, a hero, a symbol. Thats what Superman Embodies. Clark doesn't embody this.

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I think Clark does try to the right thing no matter how hard it is. I just think he's confused relating to what is expected of him. It's like someone who just doesn't know what to do next. In a state of limbo until something big forces him out of it. Like he's in a rut. He's continuing to learn, but not act, because he doesn't know what action to make.

Thats the problem, he shouldnt have to be forced. He's been raised by All-American and salt of the earth parents who have always taught him to do the right thing. its not like he was raised by selfish people and told him to do for himself before he does anyone else. It's not a consistent thing they've done on this show. He's moved out of his rut and then pushed right back into it, its really annoying.

All the superman comics and cartoons that i've watched have never had him pushed to being a hero. I hate the fact that he is like that on this show. Yes, he can continue to learn but the best learning is in acting not just simply sitting back and watching.

[susangail]

Amen to that, brother.