Lost cause?

[REebee52]

Okay, is Lionel a lost cause?
I think throughout the episode, Lionel was disgusted at what he was doing. Yes it was selfish, and wrong, but I still think he's protected Clark so many times recently. I think he is a changed man, and I also think the Martian Manhunter would have identified him as a continuing threat. I don't think Clark should give up yet (but I do think he'll be...


SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER dead in two episodes SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER OVER.


I still have faith in him as changed man.
Also how can Clark say they're a lost cause when a few episodes ago he told nice LEx that he would always keep an eye out for him?

[ChlarkMe]

Looked to me like Lionel lost faith in himself. He seemed a bit paranoid as well. Maybe he thinks he's going to reep what he has sewn.

[xrayvision]

I resented that remark when just about 2 episodes ago in Fracture, he said he would never give up on Lex. The future Superman is just not supposed to have that attitude even though he is repeatedly disappointed with the Luthors.

[REebee52]

Of course Lionel's past was going to catch up with him, but I do think he's changed.

[Jaded Wolf]

I resented that remark when just about 2 episodes ago in Fracture, he said he would never give up on Lex. The future Superman is just not supposed to have that attitude even though he is repeatedly disappointed with the Luthors.

Maybe he's facing reality. I think the future Superman can have doubts and voice that to Kara. I don't think he would ever give up on them but for right now I think he is wanting to move on. To say the current Superman would not do that you have not been keeping good track of the current comics. Not only has Superman given up on any redemption for Lex but he has tried to take him out quite a few many times. Lex Luthor has been the only villian ever to drive Superman to the point of killing. That's the way it has been and Smallville's Clark is definetely seeing that.

[prairiefire]

Is Lionel good.....not necessarily. He is a very selfish man. However I do think that is is ultimately trying to protect Clark and is doing it as a Luthor would. I mean the Luthor's hurt everyone even and especially when they are trying to protect them.

[e1828]

I think like Lex, Lionel has his own interpretation as to what is right or wrong and what is in the best interests of others.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Maybe he's facing reality. I think the future Superman can have doubts and voice that to Kara. I don't think he would ever give up on them but for right now I think he is wanting to move on. To say the current Superman would not do that you have not been keeping good track of the current comics. Not only has Superman given up on any redemption for Lex but he has tried to take him out quite a few many times. Lex Luthor has been the only villian ever to drive Superman to the point of killing. That's the way it has been and Smallville's Clark is definetely seeing that.


Qute true and in the animated series he did kill him in an alternate universe as well, gald to see others puting haters in their place good job...

[Minela]

I think the whole "lost cause" thing is going to change in the next two episodes. Clark will learn from this, the lesson will be to never give up on somebody, ever. It is what makes him Superman afterall.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----


Is Lionel good.....not necessarily. He is a very selfish man. However I do think that is is ultimately trying to protect Clark and is doing it as a Luthor would. I mean the Luthor's hurt everyone even and especially when they are trying to protect them.

Well put. That is exactly how it is. Even Lex loved Lana, but he made bad choices because he tried to keep her the Luthor way. So sad. Poor Sexy Lexy. :(

[Ginx]

I resented that remark when just about 2 episodes ago in Fracture, he said he would never give up on Lex. The future Superman is just not supposed to have that attitude even though he is repeatedly disappointed with the Luthors.

Well, given what just happened to him maybe he is getting a sad dose of reality. I do think that Clark means to keep his promise from Fracture, but that doesn't mean that he has to completely trust him either - it just means that he'll never give up on him but he does realize he'll have to watch his back. I think it's more of a maturing of Clark and not as much that he's going back on any promises that he's made.

----- Added 36 Seconds later -----


Is Lionel good.....not necessarily. He is a very selfish man. However I do think that is is ultimately trying to protect Clark and is doing it as a Luthor would. I mean the Luthor's hurt everyone even and especially when they are trying to protect them.

I agree with that.

[FLyxNERD]

my theory is that lionel has been knowing about clarks secret ever since he was blind and is tryna protect him from brainiac...but his "MB WAYS" has gotten to him at times

[savannah]

The Luthor's could very well be a lost cause they are way to into the dark side.

[alienkinfolk]

I think it's a lesson Clark will have to learn as becomes superman. Never to give up on anyone. because has to be the better man and always show mercy.(on humans)Clark had every right to be angry. Lionel keeps breaking his trust. Clark has proved himself, now it's time for lionel to step away from the darkside for good-with no strings attached

[FLyxNERD]

the trailer from veritas seems like he is tryna help clark...and is good

lionel has to look out for lex, himself, and clark...and i think its too much for him so he does it in the stupidest ways

[Ardiem3]

I resented that remark when just about 2 episodes ago in Fracture, he said he would never give up on Lex. The future Superman is just not supposed to have that attitude even though he is repeatedly disappointed with the Luthors.

Theyre a lost cause, as he said, but that dosent mean hes given up, it just means as much as one may try or look, its not going to change, but if it came down to Lex almost dying and Clark could save him, Clark would save him, no matter if it was Lex. He wont let just someone die if he can save them.

[kentfamily]

Lex is definitely a lost cause. he doesnt even flinch or think twice anymore about killing someone. Lionel is not a lost cause, in his own way, he was protecting Clark. Dont forget, Lionel did kill and do horrible things BEFORE he got possessed by Jor El. An emissary of his, so why would all of a sudden, Lionel would go back to being EVIL? Isnt he still being controlled by Jor El? I think he was telling the truth when Lionel said, I am a changed man.
I just hope he didnt go back to his old ways of being evil.

[warriorrenegade]

I wouldn't confuse his " Lost cause" comment as him giving up on either of them. Sure Clark may have had hope for Lionel and had truly believed he'd changed. And in some ways Lionel has changed, but he's still an evil man and has shown that he'll kill, decieve and manipulate to keep Clarks secret. I don't believe Clark had knowledge of Lionels tactics until now. And those feelings came to a head when talking to Kara.

[MozartRequiem]

"Dont forget, Lionel did kill and do horrible things BEFORE he got possessed by Jor El. An emissary of his, so why would all of a sudden, Lionel would go back to being EVIL? Isnt he still being controlled by Jor El? I think he was telling the truth when Lionel said, I am a changed man.
I just hope he didnt go back to his old ways of being evil."

Good point, but I don't think Jor-El using him as a vessel has anything to do with him changing into a better man. I think we have Clark and Martha to thank for Lionel's transformation, because without them, I bet he would've used Clark's powers to his advantage. Just look at the way he was with Jonathan in "Reckoning". He seemed very MB-ish in that episode, but after that, he started to get closer to Martha, and then to Clark, and he started to see that Clark's not just a "project" but a human being. John Glover himself has even pointed to the Kents as the main source of Lionel's redemption, when he said, "Lionel's finally seeing what it's like to protect others and be sort of part of a real family, and not the center of the universe all the time."

Perhaps, though, Jor-El did have some influence over Lionel. You could be right, but I just think that Jor-El didn't "choose" Lionel, but rather, it was an accident that could've been terrible had Lionel not seen the light.

[Lostfan588]

I think Clark is mistaken about Lionel being a lost cause, I think despite all of Lionel's flaws and habit of doing things for self serving motives, this episode did show that Lionel does care about Clark and sees him as special...I thought it was sweet of him to stand up to freak hater and tell him not to lay his hands on Clark, Clark not being a danger to the world, etc. I think Lionel has just a tiny tiny bit of good in him, and unfortunately Clark was only writhing around in the cage during the episode, so he never got to see that.

[jazel]

OMG !!! you read my mind....Clark IS a lost cause, couldn't we ship him, and his cousin, back to Krypton ? I'm SURE it's out there, in another dimension, somewhere.:p

[LexLuv180]

I agree with the first poster's spoiler, sadly. :( I don't think he's a lost cause, no, just sometimes makes the bad decisions to do what he thinks is right.

[savingpeoplething]

I've been wondering...
Would Lana be considered a "lost cause"?

Clark said that the Luthors were, so does that include Lana? She was a Luthor at one time and all season long, they've been mentioning how Lana still acted and talked like a Luthor despite not having the name anymore.

[jazel]

I've been wondering...
Would Lana be considered a "lost cause"?



YES she would, :lol:....she is NOT, that pretty.....Grudge wantta be. get a haircut, please.:p:lol:

[Ardiem3]

I've been wondering...
Would Lana be considered a "lost cause"?

Clark said that the Luthors were, so does that include Lana? She was a Luthor at one time and all season long, they've been mentioning how Lana still acted and talked like a Luthor despite not having the name anymore.

No, Lex blinded her for she wanted love that she wasnt getting from Clark but then later saw what everyone warned her about, and got away from him. I think Lana's all good now, especially after working with Chloe on finding Kara.