About Patricia Swann's death.....

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

Why did Lex have her killed?????

[JEWCY]

I don't think it was Lex

[Chlarkislove]

Because she had something Lex wanted, and Lex is evil.Yay for evil Lex finally.

[theotherJane]

Because he's Lex Effing Luthor!

[miks]

It was definitely Lex, he was wiping blood off of her necklace

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

I don't think it was Lex

Lex had her necklace at the end...how was it NOT him??

[xrayvision]

It was definitely Lex. That's the only way he could have gotten the pendant. Plus he was wiping blood off of it. And he knows that Lionel killed all the other members of Veritas, so Lionel would be blamed.

[clana4everfan2]

Like I said like Father Like Son... as Clark said the Luthor's are a lost cause.

[Ginx]

Because she had the locket but more importantly - I think that Lex has to do with that project now and that he wanted her out of the way. We don't really know what Lex is doing with that project yet and we don't know what he really knows -

I was mad that they killed her though - they could have just let her be a now and then character....... she was a cool character.......

[jimmyolsenblues]

lex killed her because he had the necklace.
Big mistake by the writers. Killing her off so soon. She was a great character.
Any tie to Christopher Reeve is needed by this show.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

if he wanted the necklace why didnt he just asked? lol

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

I was mad that they killed her though - they could have just let her be a now and then character....... she was a cool character.......

yeah, I was hoping she would pick up where Dr. Swann left off. :\:(

[Lostfan588]

Whoa...that was kind of a shocker she was killed. Very X-File-ish. And yeah, I think its a given Lex was behind it since he has her necklace now. I loved this episode. And all its Supermanish music.

[Rhaspodel]

As it revealed in the upcoming Vertias episode, the pendant is actually a hollow piece where a key is lay inside. So to see Lex killed her for it is just horrible...now I get why Clark says the Luthors are a lost cause. Lex killed his own brother and his childhood friend for what? Lex is just dispicable...and now Lionel shows his true colors ever since season 3.

[smallvillefreak24]

Ik i was jsut starting to like her when they iced her.. not fair i thought she would be a bigger part in this

[RJLCyberPunk]

It was definitely Lex. That's the only way he could have gotten the pendant. Plus he was wiping blood off of it. And he knows that Lionel killed all the other members of Veritas, so Lionel would be blamed.

Yep Lexx has most defintely become the superevil villain that we love to hate in the comic books, movies and animated shows and I'm glad that of all those Smallville is the only one that has shown how he became that kind of monster. Nothing happens in a vacuum after all...


Ik i was jsut starting to like her when they iced her.. not fair i thought she would be a bigger part in this


Me too I hated that they killed her off so fast especially considering how important Swan had been to Clark. I think that out of the Swan legacy is that the famous Starlab from the comics gets created it makes sense and I'd love to see at least that kind of homage paid to a family that did so much for the lone traveler that was to change the planet as they put it.

[CallMeClark]

I am hoping to God she isn't really dead... :( I loved that character.

[SeaNymph]

Because she had the locket but more importantly - I think that Lex has to do with that project now and that he wanted her out of the way. We don't really know what Lex is doing with that project yet and we don't know what he really knows -

I was mad that they killed her though - they could have just let her be a now and then character....... she was a cool character.......

I was mad, too.

[Jaded Wolf]

That was a shock to me. I figured she would get killed but not like that and not that soon either. This episode just validated Smallville writers right here. I hope they continue writing some more good ones.

[jimmyolsenblues]

killing Patrica is a mistake by the writers. I loved her character.
I love Virgil Swan.
I love Christopher Reeve.

[theotherJane]

I really liked Patricia Swann too. They picked a really good actress to play her.

[Alexander III]

I'm still puzzled by her death, Lex killed her? Lionel killed her? Huh?

[MidgardDragon]

It was a shocking death, that's for sure. She was such a great actress that I really expected they'd keep her on as a Guest, and possibly recurring for Season 8. Then BOOM. I was shocked, I was amazed. It might be sad to see her go, but when the show proves it can still keep you on your toes and invested even in one-episode characters, it proves itself to all the haters, whether they like it or not.

[Ginx]

I'm still puzzled by her death, Lex killed her? Lionel killed her? Huh?

Lex did it
who hired a driver
to kill her with a gun
on a wet x-filish road with mist
and steal the locket
to flash an evil grin

I'm still mad about it ...... she was a strong female character with interesting lines and lots of potential

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

Lex did it
who hired a driver
to kill her with a gun
on a wet x-filish road with mist
and steal the locket
to flash an evil grin

whoa Ginx, you got all poetic on us!! :eek::lol:

[Vergon6]

I liked her character too. But honestly I kind of figured that this would happen. Considering the spoilers for Veritas, that we would only see her as a child was suggestive of this possibility. At first I thought it was Lionel that was responsible at first, but then once I saw Lex wiping that blood off, it was a 'dead giveaway' (sorry for the pun) that he had arranged her death.

I wonder why she felt she needed to divulge so much information to Lex. I know part of it had to do with sending Lionel a message, but I think she should have been cautious when talking to Lex since he is a Luthor. Also, does anyone recall the circumstances of Dr. Swann's death? I don't recall hearing Bridgette Crosby saying he was poisoned or anything like that.

[Rhaspodel]

She was unaware that Lex has been doing bad bad things that we been seeing him done, so she still thinks he's innocent like Oliver and Jason. But to see Jason and Lex spawned after their evil parents, Patricia and Oliver would have been the only good ones of all of this.

Well at least we know who (Lionel) had a hand in the death of the Queens, the Teagues, and Dr. Swann. Lex had a hand in the murder of Patricia.

I hope Dr. Swann have a lost son that we don't know about, but for now I was disappointed to the TPTB that killed Patricia; seeing Lex doing that even making more angry at the guy. I wonder if Chloe made a mistake letting Lex to live in fracture, but Clark was in his mind so i know she didn't had a choice.

This is also my 250th post! :)

[Ginx]

^^congrats ;)


whoa Ginx, you got all poetic on us!! :eek::lol:

LOL .... sorry... .I was thinking more like Clue.... hahahahaha.....

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

^^congrats ;)



LOL .... sorry... .I was thinking more like Clue.... hahahahaha.....


I thought it was cool tho!! :cool:

[RJLCyberPunk]

I'm still puzzled by her death, Lex killed her? Lionel killed her? Huh?

Dude in the car she was still wearing her pendant when she was killed and then we see Lexx with the pendant wiping the blood off it! Do the math... :rolleyes:

[mrsmallfan]

Of all things! Patty should had all angles covered. Hmmm?

Hey! What a minute! There wasn't a close up on when the guy shot her? Maybe she didm't really get wacked.

It was an idea, anyways.:\

[savannah]

Because she had something Lex wanted, and Lex is evil.Yay for evil Lex finally.

I think you are absolutely and positively right Lex wanted the locketshe had and so he killed her for it. I think he should've snagged it from her instead of mrdering her!

[xrayvision]

I think you are absolutely and positively right Lex wanted the locketshe had and so he killed her for it. I think he should've snagged it from her instead of mrdering her!

She would have known it was him if he didn't kill her. She specifically spoke about it to him and if it were to get stolen, she would know.

[biggkoz]

Season 8 HAS to be the last cuz this is just getting lame.

[RJLCyberPunk]

I think you are absolutely and positively right Lex wanted the locketshe had and so he killed her for it. I think he should've snagged it from her instead of mrdering her!


Not in Lexx Evil Supervillan style to just rob like a common mugger...

[MidgardDragon]

Season 8 HAS to be the last cuz this is just getting lame.

So now that we've had an episode that many are proclaiming as one of their favorites ever this is "just getting lame" eh? When episodes like this happen and these posts show up it just shows how horribly horribly funny they truly are.

[Ginx]

I think you are absolutely and positively right Lex wanted the locketshe had and so he killed her for it. I think he should've snagged it from her instead of mrdering her!

well, it's just another thing that is stacked against Lex. Clark is gonna think it was Lionel and that will further divide them and Lex will use that key to get whatever it leads to - and Lex/Lionel will go at it for what's on the other side of whatever door that key opens....... it lined people up to further face-off......

still. I liked her character.......

[savingpeoplething]

I really liked the Patricia character, but I'm glad she only stuck around for one episode.

I loved that she was concerned about Clark in the cage and went up against the Luthors. She planted another Superman seed for Clark, encouraging him to change the world. Much needed for Clark.

[xrayvision]

I liked her for an episode or few, but I didn't want her in for a season 8. I want Clark to grow on his own and not to be tied to any characters like that in what is most likely the show's final season. I wouldn't mind Perry White showing up and finally get Clark on track with journalism, or having Jor-El teach him stuff occasionally, but not someone like her, the Martian Manhunter, Kara, Ollie, or any of these characters.

[SuperFan85]

I'm seriously loving Lex this season. With each episode, he just becomes more and more evil. I love how unphased he is in that last scene, by having someone killed, and all he cares about is wiping the blood off that pendeant.

[savannah]

She is so dead and maybe her driver was her security. The driver was probably killed once the job was done by Lex.

[JEWCY]

Lex had her necklace at the end...how was it NOT him??

good call

wasn't the necklace in the previews for next week?

[MidgardDragon]

Lex probably bribed her driver. Her driver may have been just a hired hand in the first place, and may have been hired as security by her as well. But given the amount of money that the Luthors have, if the guy wasn't a friend or close with her, he could probably be easily bribed into turning on her.

[curiosity]

She was very rich also. So it seems, that if she had been messing with the Luthors and all that, and threatening them, she would have had a bus load of security following her. She could afford it.

They have a bus load of secret service travel with the VP of the U.S. I saw it with my own eyes when Bush Sr. was campaigning in my home city.

So why couldn't a billionaire heiress afford more than one guy who was her driver?

[huked on foniks]

I knew she would be dead by the end of the episode. When she said, "I will be staying in an apartment in Metropolis" it was obvious she would be killed... i mean every other guest star dies/ runs away at the end of an episode of smallville.

I think it was a good episode overall. give it an 8.0

[Alexander III]

Coz she's a moron, now she deserves to die coz of her stupidity.

[mrsmallfan]

I am hoping to God she isn't really dead... :( I loved that character.They showed Patty rolling down her car door window. When the gun went off, it was a wide angle shot, showing the limo afar. It could be, but there is still some doubt, that she could be alive. Surely she knows about Lex's darki side.

[Darth Pipes]

Lex definitely had her killed. What other proof is needed than him wiping the blood off her locket.

I was surprised Patricia was killed. Thought she would hang around for at least another episode.

[Ardiem3]

She would of stood in his way and from next weeks preview, the locket had a key in it, and thats what he wanted also.

[curiosity]

I knew she would be dead by the end of the episode. When she said, "I will be staying in an apartment in Metropolis" it was obvious she would be killed... i mean every other guest star dies/ runs away at the end of an episode of smallville.

I think it was a good episode overall. give it an 8.0


Too bad, she could have become Clark's new love interest.

[TECHWON]

killing Patrica is a mistake by the writers. I loved her character.
I love Virgil Swan.
I love Christopher Reeve.

Yeah it was a big mistake but i think it was because of the actress they chose was tied to another show which would be "Flash Gordon" so i think it was maybe conflict of intrests

[ClarkyBoy14]

Lex probably bribed her driver. Her driver may have been just a hired hand in the first place, and may have been hired as security by her as well. But given the amount of money that the Luthors have, if the guy wasn't a friend or close with her, he could probably be easily bribed into turning on her.

I think that's about accurate.

[Vergon6]

Yeah it was a big mistake but i think it was because of the actress they chose was tied to another show which would be "Flash Gordon" so i think it was maybe conflict of intrests
Maybe I am wrong but I could have sworn that Flash Gordon was canceled.

[superspider02]

Yea i was totally shocked she was killed and lex had her off. I was expecting her to be in next week or another post strike episode. Also as others said would have been nice to have a virgil swan tie again.

[Flash_85]

So was it Lionel that killed Swan, Teague, and Queen's, or was it Lex who did all that and made it look like his dad was involved in it?

[mrsmallfan]

Lex probably bribed her driver. Her driver may have been just a hired hand in the first place, and may have been hired as security by her as well. But given the amount of money that the Luthors have, if the guy wasn't a friend or close with her, he could probably be easily bribed into turning on her.Bottm line: Patty should of known better! Of course that is the writers presented it.

I'm saying don't be surprised that she maybe still alive. Well, maybe.

[huked on foniks]

Too bad, she could have become Clark's new love interest.

Lol, if that happened i would feel terrible for chloe lol. She admitted her love to Jor-El in the fortress, so basically disproves jimmy/chloe relationship.

[minerva73]

Honestly, I think that Patricia should have known better, but I think she has a plausible reason for keeping her guard down. The only people who truly knew about Veritas are Lionel, Lex, and herself. With those three people knowing, she probably thought that she could walk around without being murdered.

[Darth Pipes]

Nobody has good security on this show. Lex has a graveyard dedicated to his own security guards. Even Ollie hired a nut last season.

[Kevin24]

Evil Lex....

[AlphaSigmaOne]

So was it Lionel that killed Swan, Teague, and Queen's, or was it Lex who did all that and made it look like his dad was involved in it?

Lex was just a kid when the Queens died. (See: Pilot)


Also, I part of the reason they chose the wide exterior shot is just in case they do decide to bring her back soap style. Certainly the director was trying to go for an X-filesesque feel, but since we never saw a body...


It's just one of those contingency type plans they leave in in case she's needed for plot later. Perhaps she arranged some kind of set up with Ollie or something really contrived like that.

[Vergon6]

But Lex was wiping blood of the locket. The only possible way I could see her coming back is if it turns out the driver botched the job, and she is vegetable in a hospital.

[elway]

By eliminating her that leaves only his father left who knows.......And we can all asume that Lionel is on Lex's hit list before the series end.....Leaving only Lex who know about Veratus

[AlphaSigmaOne]

There was no evidence that it was her blood.

Remember. This is Smallville. Anything his possible.

[SteveS]

Yeah, who was the little cuties playing the part of Miss Swann? I was prepared to let ClarkMan practice with her until the time that Chloe gets to consummate her love for him. It certainly doesn't look like it, but maybe she will survive somehow.

Cool ending, like some else posted, very much like an X-File and that is good and mature.

[Super_Kara_2007]

I don't think it was Lex

Lex has Patricia's necklace so of course it was his doing.

[bizzaroboy9]

i had an idea! what if they reveal patricia swann to be alive in Sleeper, this would be similar how we thought Raya died in the PZ but turned out that she survived and returned in Raya. What do you think the chance of her coming back?

[Ardiem3]

i had an idea! what if they reveal patricia swann to be alive in Sleeper, this would be similar how we thought Raya died in the PZ but turned out that she survived and returned in Raya. What do you think the chance of her coming back?

I think it was prety clear that she was shot, although I didnt like that she was, although I like evil Lex. There i go contraidcting myself haha...

[bigville]

Noooooooooooo, why'd they have to do it! Patricia Swann was so hot!

[bizzaroboy9]

Noooooooooooo, why'd they have to do it! Patricia Swann was so hot!

I agree with you 100%, she was really hot. i always have a hard time watching a smallville episode that include woman dying like Pariah and Raya :( R.I.P Alicia and Raya...

[6-Super-Man -5]

Very sad the ladies have to die.

[bizzaroboy9]

i know!! why can the tPTB kill off the men and keep the women alive...

[bigville]

As men, we need to put an end to this madness! Its time to create a new petition which clearly states that gorgeous women cannot be eliminated from here on out. I will personally hand it to the producers of Smallville. Who's with me?

[Twitch]

I am totally with you. It is indeed time to put an end to this insanity! :lol:

[ginnyfan]

I'm sick. I'm just sick about her being killed. And in such a heartless way. I fell so hard in love with her. She was so lovely and poised. Her voice was just... I could listen to her talk forever. Her conversation with Clark was so beautiful. I was so excited to watch her from now until the Series Finale. She had the wonderful Raya vibe. Ah well... :(

[brando_2185]

Great episode...BTW

My 'out-there' theory is...either Lex made a secret pact with Patricia and her death was staged - OR -
Patricia had it staged herself and has a secret pact with one of Lex's agents. If you read the recent spoilers posted in the spoilers page there will be an episode dealing with Lex's agents...so possibly this could happen.

I don't know...but the remaining episodes are gonna rock BIG time...

also forgot about the locket with the secret key...debunks my theory...lol

[Twitch]

I'm sick. I'm just sick about her being killed. And in such a heartless way. I fell so hard in love with her. She was so lovely and poised. Her voice was just... I could listen to her talk forever. Her conversation with Clark was so beautiful. I was so excited to watch her from now until the Series Finale. She had the wonderful Raya vibe. Ah well... :(
Ugh I know how you feel, didn't you just want to reach through the TV screen and strangle the bald man? I know I did!

Killing a childhood friend was nothing for him, I bet he didn't even feel a twinge of remorse.

[ginnyfan]

I hear you. The way he was so carefully cleaning her necklace. UG! Sickening!


Great episode...BTW

My 'out-there' theory is...either Lex made a secret pact with Patricia and her death was staged - OR -
Patricia had it staged herself and has a secret pact with one of Lex's agents. If you read the recent spoilers posted in the spoilers page there will be an episode dealing with Lex's agents...so possibly this could happen.

I don't know...but the remaining episodes are gonna rock BIG time...

also forgot about the locket with the secret key...debunks my theory...lol

*jumps onto the bandwagon of any theory that means Patricia may be alive*

[Chloelicious]

This guy talks about it on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbROITTS20

[CallMeClark]

They showed Patty rolling down her car door window. When the gun went off, it was a wide angle shot, showing the limo afar. It could be, but there is still some doubt, that she could be alive. Surely she knows about Lex's darki side.
Yeah, but how many times have we thought someone was dead and they weren't? Too many to count on both hands... ;)

[NoSupeForYou]

It shows good writing if a character appears for a few scenes on an episode and everyone is hurt when she is killed at the end. I think she's dead because I can't see her giving up that key and locket to anyone, unless she gave Lex a fake. That would be way too soap opera like to be entertaining.

It's good to see Lex's body count growing, though how he goes from these guys to Otis is curious.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i still wish she lived, she could have been a great character.

[Ardiem3]

Very sad the ladies have to die.

It's just sad and wrong to see a woman get shot, or hurt in anyway.

[jimmyolsenblues]

It's just sad and wrong to see a woman get shot, or hurt in anyway.

I agree. She was not a bad guy, she had every interest in Clark's positive development.
She meant no harm to anyone.
Rotten luthors.

[Ardiem3]

I agree. She was not a bad guy, she had every interest in Clark's positive development.
She meant no harm to anyone.
Rotten luthors.

Yea. I can understand to an extent harming a female, if she poses a threat to someone else's life. As Lionel said in "Vessel," "When the greater good must be served, the cost of one life must be paid." I know, I love evil Lex though :D

[lauraforever]

I screamed at the laptop! It would have been cool if Patricia would be there for Clark like her dad had been in s2 and s3. *Goes off to write a Clark/Patricia fanfic* LOL, nah, just kidding, but she totally should have been around for more eps.

[Kal-alien]

Not to sound callous but... SHe needed to die. We don't need yet ANOTHER person walking around knowing Clark's secret. ANd I think everyone will accuse Lionel, given his past history with the Veritas people, and that Her Lawyers knew she was going to see Lionel. I think this opens many doors for Lionel to get the raw end of the deal. for what it's worth, i honestly think Lionel believed that what he was doing was the right thing to do to protect Clark. But Patricia needed to die.

I also didn't like the scene between her and Clark. A little too "Well the security guard is now dead, let's glare at Lionel, Flash to commercial, Boom we're at the farm talking to an until now complete stranger, hmmm.. let's trust this new person completely" for me.

Didn't like that at all. Other than that great episode.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Oh oh oh oh, Luthors... They are already starting to make me wanna rip their throats out and have them eat 'em up by the episodes! The keep on killing off some very beautiful women, like Gina Holden who played Patricia Swann... She was awesome, she's the next best gorgeous gal like Emmanuelle Vaugier, they should have written Patricia in a few mor episodes than that, yeesh.

I couldn't believe how those Luthors are adapting to being like, oh man, where are those times where Lex and good ol Clark were best buds? I miss those times :(

But yes, it was sad to see a beauty get destroyed by the cunning Luthors...

May you rest in peace, Patricia Swann... :(

~Claire

[BWOracle]

I think they could still bring her back. We never actually see her dead. Perhaps it was a dart instead of a bullet which could still explain the blood on the locket.

And yes, she should have lasted longer -- like Stride gum.

[bigteep]

As I was watching the Patricia character develop I couldn't help but think that she would be a good replacement for Lana in season 8. Since Kristin is leaving after this season.
Lana knows Clarks secret. Patricia knew Clarks secret. Clark liked Patricia too.
Then when they killed her off it really surprised me.

[smallvillelogan]

It was definitely Lex, but I wonder why he would have her killed if he didn't have the answers, while she did. Lex probably figured that with the locket he could figure out the answers on his own.

[constantine]

It's just sad and wrong to see a woman get shot, or hurt in anyway.

What, so good women don't die every day? it's called reality ardiem, the unfortunate truth is that good people do die, regardless of gender.

[Yasise]

They showed Patty rolling down her car door window. When the gun went off, it was a wide angle shot, showing the limo afar. It could be, but there is still some doubt, that she could be alive. Surely she knows about Lex's darki side.

Yes, in fact, we didn't SEE her death. Maybe she was not shot with a bullet but with something like that tasers containing a narcotic? Did we get to see the gun actually? No! You can't tell, what kind of gun that was, can you?


But Lex was wiping blood of the locket. The only possible way I could see her coming back is if it turns out the driver botched the job, and she is vegetable in a hospital.

Possibility number 1


There was no evidence that it was her blood.

Remember. This is Smallville. Anything his possible.

Agreed :)


i had an idea! what if they reveal patricia swann to be alive in Sleeper, this would be similar how we thought Raya died in the PZ but turned out that she survived and returned in Raya. What do you think the chance of her coming back?

Possibility number 2 :)

I thought it was weird, that the driver stopped on that bridge, got out of the car, shot her and drove away. I thought, "huh, what was that now?" Not afraid, that somebody would possibly witness that???
Really strange IMO.

[constantine]

Yes, in fact, we didn't SEE her death. Maybe she was not shot with a bullet but with something like that tasers containing a narcotic? Did we get to see the gun actually? No! You can't tell, what kind of gun that was, can you?



Possibility number 1



Agreed :)



Possibility number 2 :)

I thought it was weird, that the driver stopped on that bridge, got out of the car, shot her and drove away. I thought, "huh, what was that now?" Not afraid, that somebody would possibly witness that???
Really strange IMO.

are you serious? o0 dear god, you've all been watching too much melodrama.

[Yasise]

are you serious? o0 dear god, you've all been watching too much melodrama.

Melodrama? I just watched that scene again, and it is true that you don't actually see, how and with what he shot her and if she really is dead.

I think, there might be a chance, that she still is alive.

[Black Man of Steel]

So many posts... couldn't read them all but it sucks that she was killed off so fast. I'm guessing that she was killed for some plot in another upcoming episode. She could have been a good character to have on the show from time to time.

[msleggie]

Originally Posted by Ardiem3
It's just sad and wrong to see a woman get shot, or hurt in anyway.



I know right, it was just sad that she was murdered, it seemed like she really wanted to help Clark and be there for him.

[MetroGirl06]

Her getting killed off so fast was messed up. I could have expected it later on, but on her very first episode? Com'on writers!
And of course there are the theories that she is not dead which I hope are correct. It doesn't feel right killing off the only link to Virgil Swann/Christopher Reeve. Not to mention she was cute.

[ginnyfan]

This guy talks about it on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbROITTS20

Thanks for posting this. He had some interesting ideas, especially about Lionel.

Here was my comment.

Great ideas. I love the idea that Lionel may not be evil. As cool as evil Lionel is, that rubbed me the wrong way. I don’t think Lex murdered the other members of Veritas BUT I wonder if Lionel murdered them BEFORE the episode “Transference” when he was desperate because of his heath. The Queens and Mr. Teague probably died before that episode. If Swann died AFTER Transference, Lionel becoming the Vessel for Jor-el could have put Lionel’s motives through a serious overhaul.

[clarkbunny]

I don't think that patricia is neccessarily dead. We all know that people aren't dead until we see them dead on Smallville - and even then they might not be dead - Lana/Chloe/Lois anyone??

It was implied that she was shot by the guy getting out and pointing in the back and what sounded like a gun shot then Lex cleaning blood off her necklace but we didn't actually see her get shot or die. So there is still the possiblity that she is alive perhaps she was shot with a tranquilizer gun and taken to a facility to be interogated.

[ginnyfan]

It is good writing... well really exciting writing to kill her. Gemini was the last time I was this excited about Season 7. But I'd be happy if she were still alive.

[dru-zod2501]

so stupid of them. With lex and Lana leaving next season, and Lionel back to being the enemy, there was absolutely no reason to kill her off when she could have been such an important addition ot the show, plus the Chris Reeve connection....

god, idiot writers!!

[svsabbiesv]

i was shocked, I missed it at 8, so my mom warned me lol, and when i watched it, and i saw the locket being cleaned up, my mom was like i thought it was lionel too..im like mommmmmm ahhhh she ruined it for me. then i was like dang lex is a killin spree but you know what...i love rosenbaum to death, n the character in the beginning made me love him ...but now i hate him! lol but i still love him...its horrible..but i believe they built this character perfectly

[Vergon6]

Thanks for posting this. He had some interesting ideas, especially about Lionel.

Here was my comment.

Great ideas. I love the idea that Lionel may not be evil. As cool as evil Lionel is, that rubbed me the wrong way. I don’t think Lex murdered the other members of Veritas BUT I wonder if Lionel murdered them BEFORE the episode “Transference” when he was desperate because of his heath. The Queens and Mr. Teague probably died before that episode. If Swann died AFTER Transference, Lionel becoming the Vessel for Jor-el could have put Lionel’s motives through a serious overhaul.
Someone had posted that Edward Teague was alive in "Arrival", as Lex mentioned him as a lawyer that might come after Lana for Genevieve's death. I will have to go back and watch that part to make sure.

Swann died in "Sacred", so after "Transference".

[dotsie23]

Good episode! IMHO, I have to say that Patricia Swann is dead, unless the writer's had it where she faked her own death which I find very unlikely but, what surprised me was the fact that Lex did it! Because I thought for sure Lionel would've had her killed since she had evidence to prove that he was the one who caused the deaths of the other Veritas members. I guess Lex just beat Lionel to it.

[Yasise]

I don't think that patricia is neccessarily dead. We all know that people aren't dead until we see them dead on Smallville - and even then they might not be dead - Lana/Chloe/Lois anyone??

It was implied that she was shot by the guy getting out and pointing in the back and what sounded like a gun shot then Lex cleaning blood off her necklace but we didn't actually see her get shot or die. So there is still the possiblity that she is alive perhaps she was shot with a tranquilizer gun and taken to a facility to be interogated.

Yep, like I posted above - she might not be dead at all :)

[All about Clark]

She's dead, TPTB don't want a load of people knowing Clark's secret. There's already Lionel, Martha, Lana, Chloe, and Pete.

It just seemed so trivial for Lex to kill her, I thought Lionel had more reasons. Why didn't Lex just have someone steal it. The Luthors are just too far gone.

[NoSupeForYou]

That was more like the Lex from the Mythos. He wants something and kills people to get it rather than steal or buy it from them.

[Welling_is_pretty]

lex killed her because he had the necklace.
Big mistake by the writers. Killing her off so soon. She was a great character.
Any tie to Christopher Reeve is needed by this show.
What he said! *nods*

[Ardiem3]

What, so good women don't die every day? it's called reality ardiem, the unfortunate truth is that good people do die, regardless of gender.

I didnt say that they didnt, but its hard to think about all the wrong and cruelity in the world. Now I know what Clark goes through. He couldve let Lex die so that the world would be better off, but that wasnt for him to decide for how good would he be to just let someone die, if he could save them, just because of their choices?

[maryjanewatson]

Lex is going to be kicking himself later when he finds out she knew who the traveler was.

stupid stupid lex. thats what he gets for being murder-happy.

[NoSupeForYou]

I wonder if there's more than one key, becuase the trailer shows Lionel holding a similar key, if not the same one. She really dug her own grave the moment she clued Lex into the fact that she knew about the symbol and Veritas.

[Vergon6]

Perhaps each member of Veritas had a key. Just like on The Simpsons where Burns and Grandpa Simpson were part of the Flying Hellfish, who had different keys to insert to open a safe where paintings they had stolen from the Nazis in WWII were held ;)

[dotsie23]

Perhaps each member of Veritas had a key. Just like on The Simpsons where Burns and Grandpa Simpson were part of the Flying Hellfish, who had different keys to insert to open a safe where paintings they had stolen from the Nazis in WWII were held ;)

Not to get off topic here but, I LOVED that episode of the Simpsons:D one of my all time favorites:)

[Yasise]

Lex is going to be kicking himself later when he finds out she knew who the traveler was.

stupid stupid lex. thats what he gets for being murder-happy.

Yeah I wish he kicks himself a lot for it :lol:

[curiosity]

I think I've posted this before, but with the Lois restrictions, she could have been a new love interest for Clark, until she got killed later. She knew who he was and everything and could have helped him.

His life outgrew Lana so long ago, it hasn't fit for a really long time. They need to let him move on.

[last man of krypton]

The death was totally unnecessary. A simple KO, and the locket could be grabbed. Or make it seem like a mugging. When she opened the window and viewed Metropolis, that would've been a perfect ending to the episode. Heck, she didn't even have to show up in the immediate future, just drop a line saying "she's back in Europe on business" or something.

[Mars Investigations]

The death was totally unnecessary. A simple KO, and the locket could be grabbed. Or make it seem like a mugging. When she opened the window and viewed Metropolis, that would've been a perfect ending to the episode. Heck, she didn't even have to show up in the immediate future, just drop a line saying "she's back in Europe on business" or something.

Yeah, but the death is more dramatic, and it's a clearer way of showing that the transition from good Lex to bad Lex is nearing its end. Also, if they didn't have enough room for Patricia in future episodes, then it's easier to kill her; from what we've seen, she wouldn't just give up her locket or the Veritas mystery without a fight, and Lex would be her top suspect because he mentioned her locket when she visited. IMO, it's better for her to be dead than for her to never appear again - which would be out of character.

[CalQdeX]

Killing her is incredibly stupid.
Killing off someone seems to bring gravity to the story on the surface, but when its every freaking new interesting character they kill, its just mundane.
New character, Clark does something ALMOST supermany, but doesn't really, random badguy/one of the Luthers kills new character, Clark gets mad but ends up not really doing anything about it, the end.

Alicia, Zod, Raya, Bizzaro, Zor-El, Lara, and now Patricia, all gone for almost no reason then the writers don't want to write for a new character past 1 or 2 episodes.

I know there are more, but I don't remembeer anything from the first 4 seasons of Smallville.

[NoSupeForYou]

Clark probably finds out in the next episode when either Lois or Chloe mention it.

The random, senseless killing is a feature of Lex Luthor's psyche. This is the guy who in half the movies wants to kill tens of millions of people to bring a good return on his real estate investments.

[Ardiem3]

Lex is going to be kicking himself later when he finds out she knew who the traveler was.

stupid stupid lex. thats what he gets for being murder-happy.

Seriously, how hard would have been to like, use one of his torture tactics or unethical science practices, to find out about Clark and what all and Dr. Swann knew? He just killed her for the key, which he could of easily stolen at any time, and not killed her... but you gotta love evil Lex. I wonder if Clark will find out that Lex had her killed?

[NoSupeForYou]

Even if he tortured her for info he would still have to kill her. Also, if he just stole it, it would not have been difficult for her to figure out as there would only be two suspects. This way he gets the key and Lionel gets the blame.

[Ardiem3]

Even if he tortured her for info he would still have to kill her. Also, if he just stole it, it would not have been difficult for her to figure out as there would only be two suspects. This way he gets the key and Lionel gets the blame.

Not necessarily, Lex has tortured alot of people without killing them, i.e., Pete in "Hero." Still, he could of stolen it, and covered his tracks, hes good at those types of things.

[Ilovebeinglost]

He doesn't want info on Clark he wanted that neklace.

Yes he commented on her necklace when she visited him and she said her father gave it to her. Lex must have knowen there was something in it that is very important that is why he had her killed. How else would he be holding it and wiped the blood off it at the end.

Now in next week preview we see that it has a key in it.

[Ardiem3]

He doesn't want info on Clark he wanted that neklace.

Yes he commented on her necklace when she visited him and she said her father gave it to her. Lex must have knowen there was something in it that is very important that is why he had her killed. How else would he be holding it and wiped the blood off it at the end.

Now in next week preview we see that it has a key in it.

The necklace has a key that will lead to information about Clarks past and future. Thats why the group "Veritas" was formed in the first place, because of the Traveler. He had her killed so that he could get in the key, and that she wouldnt get in his way in any fasion. The key is supposed to lead to information that will change alot.

[Yasise]

Even if he tortured her for info he would still have to kill her. Also, if he just stole it, it would not have been difficult for her to figure out as there would only be two suspects. This way he gets the key and Lionel gets the blame.

Yes I guess Clark will blame Lionel if he finds out that Patricia has been killed. She just told Clark, that all the Veritas member, except of Lionel, has died and that it was obviously Lionel, who was resposible for their deaths.
So, of course, Clark must believe, that Patricia was Lionel's victim, too. But maybe Clark will not hear about her death anyway in "Veritas". We've to wait and see.

[Ilovebeinglost]

The necklace has a key that will lead to information about Clarks past and future. Thats why the group "Veritas" was formed in the first place, because of the Traveler. He had her killed so that he could get in the key, and that she wouldnt get in his way in any fasion. The key is supposed to lead to information that will change alot.

We have to assume that she did not know what was in the Locket or she wouldn't be wearing it especially when visiting the Luthers right?

[kraami]

Killing patricia was a good thing she didnt know anything. Yet by blackmailing lionel and going to lex she has severely threatened clark. She doesnt know the rules of the game and now just gave the key to lex, clark's worst enemy.

[Ardiem3]

We have to assume that she did not know what was in the Locket or she wouldn't be wearing it especially when visiting the Luthers right?

Or mabye she was wearing it, keeping it close to hear heart and in her sight? How would she of known that Lex knew what was in the locket as well?

[Yasise]

Killing patricia was a good thing she didnt know anything. Yet by blackmailing lionel and going to lex she has severely threatened clark. She doesnt know the rules of the game and now just gave the key to lex, clark's worst enemy.

:confused: Do we actually know, that she was the one, who blackmailed Lionel?? If so, I didn't get it, sorry.

But I do know, that she didn't give that key to Lex - it was obviously taken from her, without asking her before!

[NoSupeForYou]

Patricia Swann could do so much more damage to Lex than Pete ever could. Plus, he wasn't just killing her for the locket, he was eliminating a potential rival and enemy. Maybe Lex knows where the lock for that key is and figures he'll get his answers from there instead of wasting his time torturing her?

[kraami]

:confused: Do we actually know, that she was the one, who blackmailed Lionel?? If so, I didn't get it, sorry.

But I do know, that she didn't give that key to Lex - it was obviously taken from her, without asking her before!

The gave comment meant that she flaunted it right in front of lex. Once lex saw it he had to have it. Then killed her for it.

the blackmail comment was that she was hanging those murders over lionel head the ones he committed before he became jor-el's vessel and changed for the good.

I just wish that they made her char smarter or more informed.

[NoSupeForYou]

I think her problem was that she saw Alexander and not Lex. She simply didn't realize who she was dealing with and thought she could use him.

[TheLeague]

i so want clark and lionel ( the good one please ) to find out lex killed her! would make for some interesting conversations

its a good pointer tho to show how far lex has come so quickly i quote when lionel said in promise to lex "Ofcouse it was an accident you dont have the guts! to plan a successful murder!" ;)

[Vergon6]

Now I am thinking that maybe the key Lionel is holding is the one that Lex took, and if Lex finds out, that could cause some problems. Rather than multiple keys like I suggested before.

[Kel-El09]

Yeah..I really don't understand why Lex had her killed. I mean if anything he could have had her tortured for answers or something. It's not like she was threatening to expose something he had done. Is it just me, or did it seem like Lex had seen that necklace before?

[Vergon6]

I think he just recognized that the Veritas symbol was on it (if you look in the screencaps for "Veritas", the symbol is on the chain), and figured it was important.

[appofice]

Vergon6 (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/member.php?u=38807)

You're right about the symbol. I saw it too.
For the dead of patricia. we have to have open mind and no surprise if we'll see her again. Don't forget about the end of the last season when we saw lana enter into the car and the explosion after we've think that she was dead on the other hand she was alive. Maybe and is only a maybe Patricia isn't dead

[jesustlife]

Man, if you agree killing Patricia was way un cool please say it. When you cast someone like her for a role I mean, you can't kill her. And not the way she died.You cast someone ugly or just not tv preetty. That sucked, she even looked a little like Chris Reeve. You dont kill preetty actresses or good looking guys, with important roles, thats like a Hollywood Golden Rule. And if they have to die, they go with honor, heroic death. Come on. Killing them like that makes us viewers feel something really icky inside. Oh, and then showing Lex wiping the blood off the necklace....that was sick.

[wildenchantress_kt]

At first I thought that Lionel ordered the hit on Patrica. She was willing to stay in Metropolis and help Clark. I thought that Lionel saw her as a threat if Patrica stayed in contact with Clark then Lionel would not be able to use him for his own gain.

When you take a closer look at the episode you see Lex wiping the blood of Patrica's locket. I just don't get what motive Lex had for killing Patricia.

[susangail]

Definitely a low point for Smallville, I agree. We barely knew her - what a great character.

[MidgardDragon]

On the one hand, it sucks to lose her. On the other hand, it made for a truly devastating scene where you realized just how much you cared about this character you just met. Any time a 1-hour long show can affect you like that it has done something right. So even if I would like it if she was alive, I still think that made for an intensely powerful scene and ending.

[jazzylg]

Yea, it sucked. And she was much better here than on sci-fi's flash gordon( more like boredom!).

[bizzaroboy9]

i completely agree with you guys! i hate that they killed her off. :(

[Lazy Boy]

I agreed. I was kinda looking forward to seeing more of her until that gunshot paid off that idea. Too bad, she was pretty fine too.

[niphler]

Reminds me of Dax-Ur. I thought it was cheap to do that - she could have been a recurring character for a few episodes and then perhaps killed off. Also, it would have added to the dramatic aspect because we would have gotten to know her more.
As it is now, I feel a little regret, but nothing more.

[guittarjedi]

I was heartbroken by her murder. I was thinking that she was being brought in as Chloe's replacement and I got really excited by that possibility. Chloe needs to bring her back to life and sacrifice herself.

[eeris]

I want to see some serious investigation from Clark into her disappearance after she said she'd stick around to help.

Dax-Ur really annoyed me as well. Would've loved to have seen Clark going back for a chat only to find out he'd been murdered and linking it with Brainiac.

[appofice]

now then i think, how can patricia think to protect clark from lionnel if she can't protect herself. I hope then she still alive.
For lionnel be bad i don't think. Yeah he have do something bad in put clark in a cage but remember jor el he does the same think to protect clark. And he continue to be the jor el vessel.

[bizzaroboy9]

i'm sure clark will find out because he might need to talk to her about something

[Hopefulsuicide]

i thought it was incredible if not a bit predictable

i mean she was expendable, and i can't imagine she would be much help to Clark... i mean what did she actually know.

IMHO it was one of the most chilling Lex moments ever to see him so delicately wiping her blood off the necklace. i mean it was a bit obvious, but it was still good to see.

[KEakaCK]

Lex is really coming into form to what we all know...Really sucked to see Patricia Swann get killed. Or was she? LOL

[KEakaCK]

Seems to me that Lex was completely surprised about the Veritas group formed the by Queens, Teagues, Swanns, and the Luthors. I personally think that Lex had some knowledge about it. I went back to the scene where Patricia visited Lex and his reaction to Patricia's necklace was more of a "where and how did she get a hold of that" reaction. Why else would he even mention it to her? It's not like Lex has a fetish for jewelry.

[Humdinger]

Because she had the locket but more importantly - I think that Lex has to do with that project now and that he wanted her out of the way. We don't really know what Lex is doing with that project yet and we don't know what he really knows -

I was mad that they killed her though - they could have just let her be a now and then character....... she was a cool character.......

I agree, the pickin's are getting slim, what with Lex and Lionel, and sometimes others, killing everyone off. Swann would have made a nice counterpoint in the mix, and another friend for Clark, and one with money and power; but apparently not enough money and power in that world or she would have protected herself better.

[Yasise]

I agree, the pickin's are getting slim, what with Lex and Lionel, and sometimes others, killing everyone off. Swann would have made a nice counterpoint in the mix, and another friend for Clark, and one with money and power; but apparently not enough money and power in that world or she would have protected herself better.

Yeah, and that's why I'm hoping, Oliver Queen can be that special friend for Clark now. At least, he knows how to protect himself and he also has enough money....but that's another thread's topic *lol*

[krpto]

Until I see the justice league return I won't be certain the patricia is really dead I mean if Morgan Edge can come back from the dead then I am sure patricia could just be in a temporary coma or other having another serious injury somewhere after Ollie and the JL found her left for dead.

[Ardiem3]

Until I see the justice league return I won't be certain the patricia is really dead I mean if Morgan Edge can come back from the dead then I am sure patricia could just be in a temporary coma or other having another serious injury somewhere after Ollie and the JL found her left for dead.

It looked to me as if she was shot dead on, so I dont think shell return IMO. :(

[Yasise]

It looked to me as if she was shot dead on, so I dont think shell return IMO. :(

Sorry, but to be really sure that she's dead, they actually have had to show us, with what she was shot and her being obviously dead.

But all we got to see, was a wide angled shot, of a car on a bridge (the ideal place to kill someone discreetly, btw *lol*) and a man, who was obviously holding something like a gun in his hand and shooting into the car. But it could have been a narcotic gun, too. Can you be sure, that it was a normal gun??
A narcotic gun also gets through the skin with its needle, so the blood on that necklace could have been there, because of that needle.

I don't want to be pedantic, but it's also true, that we didn't see clearly what really happened and if she's really dead, did we?

[Ardiem3]

Sorry, but to be really sure that she's dead, they actually have had to show us, with what she was shot and her being obviously dead.

But all we got to see, was a wide angled shot, of a car on a bridge (the ideal place to kill someone discreetly, btw *lol*) and a man, who was obviously holding something like a gun in his hand and shooting into the car. But it could have been a narcotic gun, too. Can you be sure, that it was a normal gun??
A narcotic gun also gets through the skin with its needle, so the blood on that necklace could have been there, because of that needle.

I don't want to be pedantic, but it's also true, that we didn't see clearly what really happened and if she's really dead, did we?

We shouldnt think to much about it. To me, shes dead, IMO. She had to have been shot for Lex to of gotten the necklace, which had blood on it.