How much more stupid can they show Clark to be? [Archive]

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 06:41 PM

So far, this looks like a pretty decent episode. But the biggest gripe is how Clark got captured at the beginning. How can a guy with superhearing and superspeed be so vulnerable? This is just another attempt to show that he has no balls.

If they were smart, they would have had Lionel kidnap Kara from Lex and experiment on her since at that point (her not having her powers) she would be an easier target. We could have found out Lionel's plans for Clark through his experimentation on Kara. And it could have gotten some good Lex vs. Lionel plot going (on top of the Veritas stuff).

e1828

03-20-2008, 06:42 PM

SuperJedi

03-20-2008, 06:49 PM

I couldn't catch the Damn episode really, but I would think it's because Clark is TOO trusting.

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 06:50 PM

The entire time during that opening scene, I was thinking "This is our Superman?". Seriously, how will he ever be able to face Darkseid & Doomsday if he can't even be smart enough to avoid humans when he had plenty of Clark-time to react.

MidgardDragon

03-20-2008, 07:01 PM

RJLCyberPunk

03-20-2008, 07:05 PM

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 07:08 PM

Yes...because Superman has never been captured before...

Seriously, Smallville fans are the worst when it comes to finding *any* little nitpick they can and running with it like it's the worst thing to ever happen to the show or the mythos.

They could have made him get captured in a better way. They should have forced him into giving himself up by threatening the lives of Chloe & Lana (like Morgan Edge did in Phoenix with his parents). The way he was captured was purely pathetic. At this point, they should show him to be stronger, wiser, and the one doing the saving.

wolverine316

03-20-2008, 07:10 PM

Maybe Smallville posters are the real BDA's. Superman has been captured by humans before.

Ginx

03-20-2008, 07:11 PM

well, now, come on..... Clark was taken a little by surprised and he did try to fight back but he's self conscious about not killing people and the first dart probably weakened his thinking a little...... I would think he would have jumped or run outta there - but then again, maybe he didn't think there was a buncha guys waiting for him........ nevermind that he's got superhearing.......

yes there were holes but at least they took some effort in taking him down....... shows that CK's powers are pretty strong he just isn't using them to their full capacity..... he's still a before-he-became-superman..... he's not the man of steel just yet..... unfortunately....

smallvillefreak24

03-20-2008, 07:20 PM

Ok the whole time- run away clark come on u can do it-

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 07:21 PM

It's just that he's been shown to be a BDA too many times on this show. He heard noise that the guys made well in advance to react and still got captured. This is getting old. And like I said, if they wanted him to get captured, it should have been by surrendering to protect his friends or other innocents as was done in Phoenix, where he wasn't portrayed as a BDA.

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Another thing he could have done was use heatvision when he was in the center of the cage (at the beginning of the episode) and was not really being affected that much to either shatter the cage or turn it into black-k (the consequences would be better than death).

e1828

03-20-2008, 07:27 PM

I suppose we should not expect him to use superhearing in the barn as pinklady always surprised him there.

Nor should we expect superspeed when he gets taken down by meteor freaks or other humans who do not have this ability. Think Braniac, bizarro, naman-wannabe or others would have been captured in such a way?

ClLaLeChFAN01

03-20-2008, 07:34 PM

Superman (or soon to be superman) doesnt run away from a bad situation he faces it the problem and sometimes he gets his ass kicked, no one is perfect!

alienkinfolk

03-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Can't an alien be caught off guard!

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Maybe Smallville posters are the real BDA's. Superman has been captured by humans before.

First, if you read the rules, you're not supposed to post about posters in the forum, but on topics. Next, Superman has not been captured on the frequency he has on this show. Or on a more general note, Superman hasn't been portrayed as an idiot as Clark has on this show. When Superman makes a mistake, he learns from it.

Examples:

Justice: Clark runs into a room filled with kryptonite

Blue: Clark inserts a crystal he knows was created by Zor-El, an enemy of Jor-El's and an evil, sadistic Kryptonian

Fierce: Clark gets captured by some beauty pageant freaks

Vessel: Clark having ignored all of Jor-El's warnings about Zod gets captured in the Phantom Zone

Commencement: Clark ignoring Jor-El allows a 2nd meteor shower to occur

Wrath: Clark knowing what happens to people who had his powers allows Lana to keep them so he can have sex with her

Reckoning: Clark being told there's no way to avert death plays God and sacrifices his father's life for Lana's

Solitude: Without a 2nd thought, Clark trusts Milton Fine and attempts to destroy his FOS & Jor-El

Clark has not lately been shown to be the strong, maturing hero he is supposed to be. They still have him wrapped up with Lana and doesn't watch his own back. He is only reactive instead of proactive--which is what all those examples I pointed out should have made him become if he learned anything.

The main problem with this show is that they make Clark have a selective memory only when it suits the episode plots. That is why sometimes he is shown to be like Superman and other times, he is shown to be an incompetent clown.

Ginx

03-20-2008, 07:39 PM

Can't an alien be caught off guard!

I wish that would fit above my avatar lol..... that made me laugh!

Eri-El

03-20-2008, 07:41 PM

Yeah I was wondering why Clark didn't hear them coming........

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 07:41 PM

Can't an alien be caught off guard!

Yes, but on so many occasions? That's my problem. Check out how he is captured by Morgan Edge in Phoenix and compare that to the way he was captured here. I didn't think of him as a BDA in Phoenix since he was protecting his family & gave himself up.

A smart way of him getting captured would have been for Lionel to have copied Chloe's voice and synthesized it so that he gets a call from "synthesized Chloe" telling him she's in danger and where she is so that Clark goes there & runs into a trap. With a little effort in writing, they can avoid the BDA portrayal.

Minela

03-20-2008, 07:42 PM

I was shouting at my TV when they were hunting Clark, "Superspeed! Superspeed!" :lol:

ClarkyBoy14

03-20-2008, 07:45 PM

xrayvision, when you are running a show that's in it's seventh season, and is loved by everybody and no one ever comes up with the silliest nitpicks, come talk to me. ;)

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 07:47 PM

xrayvision, when you are running a show that's in it's seventh season, and is loved by everybody and no one ever comes up with the silliest nitpicks, come talk to me. ;)

Yeah, I got you. I know the BDA thing won't end until the final season (or maybe even the final episodes). I just don't like a lightswitch approach. I'm done talking about it anymore in this thread.

ClarkyBoy14

03-20-2008, 07:53 PM

If you don't wanna talk about it, you shouldn't have started the thread, bro. :)

xrayvision

03-20-2008, 08:00 PM

If you don't wanna talk about it, you shouldn't have started the thread, bro. :)

It's not that. It's that I've said all that I had to say. I won't bother making future threads about this because I know it won't be resolved until the end of the series.

jazel

03-20-2008, 08:02 PM

I can't get over the amount of green-k, some can get their hands on. Isn't it considered rare ?

theotherJane

03-20-2008, 08:04 PM

I can't get over the amount of green-k, some can get their hands on. Isn't it considered rare ?

Not in Smallville. ;)

ClarkyBoy14

03-20-2008, 08:13 PM

It's not that. It's that I've said all that I had to say. I won't bother making future threads about this because I know it won't be resolved until the end of the series.

Oh. Sorry, I misread your post.

In regards to your first, I don't think the opening really stretched believability (word?). After Clark first got hit with the krypto-dart, he was still a bit dazed.

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I can't get over the amount of green-k, some can get their hands on. Isn't it considered rare ?

The town was hit with two meteor showers, both carrying meteors filled with kryptonite. The town is the "Meteor Capital of the World."

Not really.

LexLuv180

03-20-2008, 11:28 PM

I kept thinking superspeed too. Seriously I think Clark's just so unused to being discovered and so used to doing most things the human way, he doesn't use his abilities yet enough on a regular basis (like opening the super hearing)

Nerial

03-20-2008, 11:40 PM

Superman's been captured before. He's not perfect as an adult, either.

That's one of the reasons Clark became Superman was so his enemies would have someone to focus on. It's like a safety-net; he's always alert and ready to fight when he's in the suit (doesn't always win, but...). As future Clark Kent, that secret identity allows him to take a breather. No one can be focused and on-guard 24 hours a day. Not even alien.

I say that he was caught off guard by being attacked in a place he normally feels safe--home. Why is that such a BDA move? I think it's very human of him.

minerva73

03-20-2008, 11:48 PM

I dunno about super hearing.

Should he have used his super-hearing to listen if his girlfriend was coming? Or at least he thought that his girlfriend was coming? He said "Lana?" when he heard the noise and then he was shot with the taser thing. If he used them and it was Lana, then I'd say that he's being slightly paranoid like what Nerial said about him being attacked in a place where he feels safe.

the highlander

03-21-2008, 01:48 AM

He is not 50 years old to have the maturity for certain things... He is HOME! how do you dress when you are home? with very little to no protection... he is saying.. LANA? come on.. again.. he is trying to have a NORMAL LIFE.

GuardianAngel

03-21-2008, 03:24 AM

He could have used his superhearing or x-rayed the place. I didn't expect him to run as soon as he heard some of the noise, but at least use either his eyes of his ears more.
But maybe he prefers to use the super-toss and was waiting to see who'd show up.

NoSupeForYou

03-21-2008, 06:02 AM

You would think that superspeed would mean super reflexes. He should be able to hear that dart and react to it, after all, it's not even as fast as a bullet. He could have used x-ray vision and his super hearing as well.

If they had wanted to be creative they could have had Pierce set a Kryptonite trap at the barn when Clark was away. That would have made more sense.

The Clark right now is like a supersonic jet with the acceleration of a brick moving uphill.

LexLuv180

03-21-2008, 08:07 AM

NoSupe, that would have been the ideal fighting back. I like it when Clark is shown as ultra, ultra powerful. They rarely show him that way.

Jaded Wolf

03-21-2008, 08:28 AM

What do you mean stupid? Clark was in his home and had no reason to be actively using his powers. That means he wasn't intentionally "super-hearing" for any possible intruders. When he notices movement his first instinct was to say "Lana" because, HELLO, she's living with him people! Of course he will assume it is her at first. So when he gets shot with the krypto-laced taser guess what? He gets weakened! He tries to put up a fight but because he is focused on the one person, guess what? He's not thinking there are others with the same kind of weapon. Maybe this experience will teach him to be mindful of surroundings, prepare for whatever, blah blah blah...

Seriously, there was nothing to complain about in this episode except the exclusion of Shelby. Where the heck is she?

Hopefulsuicide

03-21-2008, 08:35 AM

it definately could have been a better scene, but i still think its plausible that he was caught

i mean he doesnt always have his super hearing tuned in, but maybe when he saw the shadow, he could have tuned it in and heard all those heart beats pumping away.

but he still wouldnt have been caught, there were enough of them, and they all had kryptonite guns to slow him down.

plus, clark is always wary of using his powers because he doesnt want anyone to see them... so he would only use them at the last minuite

it should have been a longer more action filled scene... alot more of those guys should have been taken out before Clark... peirce's statment 'i can see why they want you' was a little dry... tbh Clark didn't do any better than a human in that situation

Humdinger

03-21-2008, 08:38 AM

They could have made him get captured in a better way. They should have forced him into giving himself up by threatening the lives of Chloe & Lana (like Morgan Edge did in Phoenix with his parents). The way he was captured was purely pathetic. At this point, they should show him to be stronger, wiser, and the one doing the saving.

I think this is your best scenario, Xray, and yeah, I agree, they should stop making him such a pussy. Sooner or later he's gonna have to use his super powers as they were meant to be used. The problem is TPTB. They just don't want to see Clark grow up. And I still say that when you have different writers every week, writing eps about something they haven't followed through the years, you're gonna wind up with this stuff - lack of continuity, fluctuating personalities, and a story line that's all over the place with no resolution.

magmind

03-25-2008, 10:43 PM

I Would Say Clark is still young and not matured enough to anticipate the upcoming events of trouble.. yet the real truth is

smallville people need something regarding on clark cuz otherwise the main character becomes a useless.we all want to see some action. i think everybody here wants clark to be able to fly and do the real superman thing..

JUST GIMME ONE GOOD REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT CLARK TO FLY FOR 7 SEASONS??

veritas will be the final hope..

looking forward to it..

~*MagMind*~

jazel

03-26-2008, 12:05 AM

The town was hit with two meteor showers, both carrying meteors filled with kryptonite. The town is the "Meteor Capital of the World."

Not really.

:lol:
I'm really surprised, CK could actually "grow-up", w/ all the CONSTANT exposure. He's got to be building "some" immunity, to the stuff by now ? :rolleyes:

All about Clark

03-26-2008, 12:02 PM

Well I do agree with Xrayvision that TPTB have made Clark too stupid at times.

And I do agree with whoever said that Clark wasn't prepared because he was at home, what he considers safe.

But those tasers were electrically charged and would have messed up his thinking and would have had him not able to focus properly. He should have used superspeed, but if you can't think straight then that would explain why. With the kryptonite next to his skin he would have felt the effect of the taser. But yes in my own mind I was yelling run Clark. But that's because we knew he would be caught, right?

Kal el of krypton

03-26-2008, 01:14 PM

it was okay but when clark throws pierce and then calls for back up and then the green K electro string thing misses him and hits the wall he sees it and turns around and then as he steps he gets shot in the back, At that point i was just thinking why didn't he super speed out of the barn to see whats happening, obviously somethings going on which isn't good if i was him when gun tazer thing missed and i turned around i would of just super sped out of the barn to see whats happening then super sped all around beating them up hehe

Sweetie

03-26-2008, 06:44 PM

Clark was caught off guard alot in the series.But,I would which by now that the writters start to use better approches and specially when it's just a regular guy.He was too easilly captured in that scene.

NoSupeForYou

03-26-2008, 07:20 PM

Here's my question. The Kryptonite tasers weren't tipped with kryptonite and we've seen the range of Kryptonite throughout the series, so how did they pierce his skin when they were not even travelling that fast?

Besides, remember when he got shot with the Kryptonite bullet? He heard it, reacted to it and tried to stop it. So someone please explain to me how in the hell tasers became so dangerous for someone who can react so fast to a bullet?

Theshadow129x

03-26-2008, 08:15 PM

^ plot hole

Hopefulsuicide

03-29-2008, 07:31 AM

TampaVille

04-01-2008, 03:53 AM

xrayvision, when you are running a show that's in it's seventh season, and is loved by everybody and no one ever comes up with the silliest nitpicks, come talk to me. ;)

While xrayvision has not done that (to my knowledge), it has been done before. It was called Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It went seven seasons, covered a lot of very similar plotlines, and never (I'll emphasize the NEVER) had to resort to the writing shortcomings that Smallville has in order to manage their plots.

xrayvision has provided several alternative capture methods. I think the one about a fake phone call was particularly clever.

The writers are simply being lazy or self-indulgent. Or more likely, both.

Supsfan

07-25-2009, 05:07 PM

I must say I loathe this episode with a passion. There are a few rare extremely crappy episodes and this happens to be one of them.

Locking up Clark in a cage for the entire episode and having 3 girls rescue him is beyond stupid and makes Clark look pathetic(while building up how wonderful those girls are) They could have figured a much better way for Clark to get himself out of the cage and then rescue Kara.

Having Lana and Chloe be the savours of Kara ruined what should have been a Clark/Kara moment. I honestly don't get how anybody who is a fan of Clark could enjoy this episode

donnarose

07-25-2009, 05:22 PM

I have to admit there was a degree of stupidity on Clark side, but given the circumstances,I really couldn't blame him.:\

Supsfan

07-25-2009, 05:29 PM

I have to admit there was a degree of stupidity on Clark side, but given the circumstances,I really couldn't blame him.:\

You then don't put him in that circumstance. There is better ways they could have written this episode to get all the points(Kara saved, Lionel losing Clark's Trust, Lex figuring out Veritas) they wanted out without putting Clark in a cage and having him be an afterthought

SupaBoy

07-25-2009, 05:31 PM

In my opinion, they are just looking for story lines to use, and perhaps doing this one this way with plotholes was the only way they could do it, if they took plot holes into consideration all the time, they would run out of ideas in my opinion.

donnarose

07-25-2009, 05:48 PM

True, It would be nice if the writers could show what we want.:\

SupaBoy

07-25-2009, 05:53 PM

Yea i know, this is true lol, But some people might want them to do this lol oh well smallvilles smallville to me, plot hole or no plot hole lol.

SGuthrie27

07-25-2009, 11:35 PM

You know, I LOVED the episode "Traveler." However, xrayvision, word wordy WORD on what you said. When Clark got the first taser out of him, how simple would it have been for him to have super-sped away? Sure, those guards who caught him would've figured out he had powers, but I have a feeling they had that general notion anyway, as most normal people would not need to be knocked out by a dozen taser darts made of refined meteor rock, eh? ;) Your other examples of times when Clark has rushed head-first into a ridiculous situation reminded me of how silly Clark could be sometimes.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

9-SOSIHTWB

07-31-2009, 09:16 AM

What annoyed me was when he was looking to see if it was Lana, he never x-rayed the room, probably due to budget!!!;)

Night_Hawk90

07-31-2009, 12:26 PM

First, if you read the rules, you're not supposed to post about posters in the forum, but on topics. Next, Superman has not been captured on the frequency he has on this show. Or on a more general note, Superman hasn't been portrayed as an idiot as Clark has on this show. When Superman makes a mistake, he learns from it.

Examples:

Justice: Clark runs into a room filled with kryptonite

Blue: Clark inserts a crystal he knows was created by Zor-El, an enemy of Jor-El's and an evil, sadistic Kryptonian

Fierce: Clark gets captured by some beauty pageant freaks

Vessel: Clark having ignored all of Jor-El's warnings about Zod gets captured in the Phantom Zone

Commencement: Clark ignoring Jor-El allows a 2nd meteor shower to occur

Wrath: Clark knowing what happens to people who had his powers allows Lana to keep them so he can have sex with her

Reckoning: Clark being told there's no way to avert death plays God and sacrifices his father's life for Lana's

Solitude: Without a 2nd thought, Clark trusts Milton Fine and attempts to destroy his FOS & Jor-El

Clark has not lately been shown to be the strong, maturing hero he is supposed to be. They still have him wrapped up with Lana and doesn't watch his own back. He is only reactive instead of proactive--which is what all those examples I pointed out should have made him become if he learned anything.

The main problem with this show is that they make Clark have a selective memory only when it suits the episode plots. That is why sometimes he is shown to be like Superman and other times, he is shown to be an incompetent clown.

This is a great post, this clark is usually forced to things he never outgoingly seeks to do them its down right brutal how they write clark kent on this show.