Why is Lex holding Patricia's necklace and the painting?!

[Alexander III]

That's wut he's doing at the end. Wut's the meaning behind this? Can someone explain it to me please!

My only assumption is that he will plan to dig into Lionel's veritas plan and to find out why his dad kills Patricia Swann, but I'm still confused about the ending!! :mad:

[Twitch]

From the ending it looked like Lex had Patricia killed, wasn't that blood he was cleaning off the necklace?

I guess it could have been Lionel too, maybe he wanted her eliminated so he would be the only one left from Veritas (or anyone connected to it) who knows about the "Traveler"?

[Alexander III]

Yea, I hv the feeling that Lex was somehow involved w/ this...but y would he had Pat killed? For wut benefits? Assume he does not know anything about the Veritas project and he wants answers from Patricia, so it's no rush to kill her. So it looks as obvious that Lionel had her killed. But that Lex's ending scene really puzzles me alot! Geez =)

[ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva]

Hey fellow Canucks!

Yes the episode was really confusing to say the least. I believe Lex somehow sabotaged his Dad's plan concerning Patricia and decided to be one step ahead of him and kill Patricia before Lionel did. PERHAPS Lex was snooping around Lionel's belongings and saw that Lionel was planning to kill Patricia.. and Lex killed her instead? I don't know..but it sure was a great episode. I was SHOCKED that Patricia was killed..I really assumed she would stay on for more episodes and aid Clark. Other than giving Clark the diary, I can see she had no big purpose on the show other than to warn Clark. :( There goes another talented actress.

[Twitch]

Hey fellow Canucks!

Yes the episode was really confusing to say the least. I believe Lex somehow sabotaged his Dad's plan concerning Patricia and decided to be one step ahead of him and kill Patricia before Lionel did. PERHAPS Lex was snooping around Lionel's belongings and saw that Lionel was planning to kill Patricia.. and Lex killed her instead? I don't know..but it sure was a great episode. I was SHOCKED that Patricia was killed..I really assumed she would stay on for more episodes and aid Clark. Other than giving Clark the diary, I can see she had no big purpose on the show other than to warn Clark. :( There goes another talented actress.
Good points. I think it was Lex, how else would he have obtained the necklace? Didn't Patricia say she always wears it? So how else would Lex get his hands on it? Plus Lex always has an obsession, his new one is finding out everything about Veritas and I think he'll go to any lengths to gather every piece of clue.

[ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva]

Good points. I think it was Lex, how else would he have obtained the necklace? Didn't Patricia say she always wears it? So how else would Lex get his hands on it? Plus Lex always has an obsession, his new one is finding out everything about Veritas and I think he'll go to any lengths to gather every piece of clue.
Yep, you are right on the money regarding that! Lex would torture, connive, and kill to get what he wants. We have seen primary examples of how his obsession leads to people getting killed..countless times. It is definitely Lex who killed her.

[Alexander III]

To conclude from all u Canadians, Lex is INSANE! He's willing to kill a childhood frd, it's THAT easy! Damn that sux!!

[Twitch]

Yep, you are right on the money regarding that! Lex would torture, connive, and kill to get what he wants. We have seen primary examples of how his obsession leads to people getting killed..countless times. It is definitely Lex who killed her.
And I think you're right about Lionel wanting to kill her too but Lex got there first. Didn't Clark say something to Kara before that scene about Lionel and Lex being Luthors and pretty much the same person, only doing stuff that will benefit them. Lex wanted her dead because of the necklace and Lionel wanted her out of the picture so there would be nobody left connected to Veritas. At least that's how I see it.

[ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva]

And I think you're right about Lionel wanting to kill her too but Lex got there first. Didn't Clark say something to Kara before that scene about Lionel and Lex being Luthors and pretty much the same person, only doing stuff that will benefit them. Lex wanted her dead because of the necklace and Lionel wanted her out of the picture so there would be nobody left connected to Veritas. At least that's how I see it.
Precisely! Lionel was shaking in his boots that Patricia had the proof that he committed murders regarding the Veritas members..so to eliminate her and all of the evidence, he hatched the plot to kill her and Lex found out about it and decided to beat his Dad to the punch and get the necklace.

Either way, it's obvious one or both of the Luthors are responsible for the atrocious murder.

[lauraforever]

Awwww and I was SO rooting for Patrex!!

[tripler]

does dr. swann only have one child?..............i mean who will takeover his estate if patricia is dead?........i don't get why her character got killed off for......and why would lex kill patricia?.....doesn't make sense

[TheEpic331]

Lionel Didnt want to kill her as he said after pierce knocked her out.he wanted her put on a plane Lex simply had her killed so that he could obtain the necklace and im sure anything else that she had on her that would help him uncover what veritas truly is.

[Ginx]

lots of interesting points about Lex trying to get ahead of Lionel.

I think that Lex did kill Patricia and he knew he was going to kill her - right when he saw the painting.

Showing him the painting in her mind was to see if he knew anything about it and to give him something to ask his father about to spark Lionel into action. I do not think that she would realize that Lex would take it as a sign that she knew about the project - and if it's something he's either working on or something he's trying to get info on regarding his father then you can believe that he would want the info from her. Maybe seeing her rub the necklace sparked a memory for Lex in something we haven't seen yet - a childhood memory or something he has already uncovered.

I think in the end - Patricia was watching for Lionel and didn't see Lex coming instead...... she underestimated the family with her focus on one man.

[curiosity]

Yea, I hv the feeling that Lex was somehow involved w/ this...but y would he had Pat killed? For wut benefits? Assume he does not know anything about the Veritas project and he wants answers from Patricia, so it's no rush to kill her. So it looks as obvious that Lionel had her killed. But that Lex's ending scene really puzzles me alot! Geez =)

There's no way he could be wiping a bloody locket if it were Lionel who had her killed.

The locket would be with her personal effects when she was found. Lex wouldn't know to get it ahead of time, because he wouldn't know she was dead. IMO.

[kentfamily]

Originally Quoted by: Epic331

Lionel Didnt want to kill her as he said after Pierce knocked her out. He wanted her put on a plane. Lex simply had her killed so that he could obtain the necklace and Im sure anything else that she had on her that would help him uncover what Veritas truly is.

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Yep, I agree with you, Lionel also said to take Clark back to the farm. Veritas is just one step closer to Clark's secret and Lex will do anything to get to it.

For some odd reason, I saw it as Lionel kidnapping Clark so that he can get his hands on the proof that Patricia Swann had on him. I mean she was sending him blackmail letters.
Once, he got them from Patricia, he told that psycho Pierce to return them back to their rightful places, like Clark back to the farm and Patricia on a plane back to wherever she came from. So he didnt want to kill them. He just didnt want whatever Patrica had, getting out into the public.

[LexLuv180]

It only makes sense Lionel would have her killed, but they made it look like Lex did it.

That makes no sense, though. It's more realistic Lex would try later to get info from her he desperately needs, and how would he know the necklace had something in it?

[bizzaroboy9]

ughh i cant get over Patricia Swann's death...

[Titan27]

Yea; from the ending you can see Lex cleaning the blood off the necklace. I got the impression that he had Patricia killed; but I could be wrong because he probably would have wanted her alive to find out about Veritas. But I still believed Lex had Patricia killed.

[jazel]

Lex is a LOSER, Lionel being a BIGGER loser, than his son. BUT they have money, so that makes EVERYTHING, okay !;):lol:
Kind of reminds of George W, and his daddy.:lol:

[brando_2185]

yeah Lex had her killed...kind of odd Lex would be cleaning blood of the locket (w/ the hidden key) if he didn't have something to do with it.

I wouldn't be surprised too if Patricia and Lex made some kind of pact and her death was staged... and she returns alive and well. But if that storyline ain't real then I would have loved to see her live and aid Clark as Virgil Swann did in the past.

[LexLuv180]

Yea; from the ending you can see Lex cleaning the blood off the necklace. I got the impression that he had Patricia killed; but I could be wrong because he probably would have wanted her alive to find out about Veritas. But I still believed Lex had Patricia killed.

I know, a writer thing that makes no sense. Surely a criminal mastermind would see more use in keeping her alive for the time being? They're trying to make it clear he killed her though, so I guess it's another thing that just doesn't make sense.

[MozartRequiem]

"I know, a writer thing that makes no sense. Surely a criminal mastermind would see more use in keeping her alive for the time being? They're trying to make it clear he killed her though, so I guess it's another thing that just doesn't make sense."

Maybe Lex has no use for her anymore because he's already found all the info she has on Veritas. Now she's more of a liability than an asset, because she's someone else who could potentially compete with Lex in his obsessive quest or try to stop him. Lex is now taking on the role Lionel played in the Veritas murders-he wants the Traveler all to himself.

[jalenrose]

Lex is a LOSER, Lionel being a BIGGER loser, than his son. BUT they have money, so that makes EVERYTHING, okay !;):lol:
Kind of reminds of George W, and his daddy.:lol:

They're not losers and they have a great relationship. Proof: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5cAG0K8AE

[Super_Kara_2007]

Lex was using a white cloth to get off the Blood on Patricia's locket. That Bastard Lex is a very sick individual.

[LexLuv180]

Maybe Lex has no use for her anymore because he's already found all the info she has on Veritas. Now she's more of a liability than an asset, because she's someone else who could potentially compete with Lex in his obsessive quest or try to stop him. Lex is now taking on the role Lionel played in the Veritas murders-he wants the Traveler all to himself.

That would make sense, but it's implied he didn't find it out. We know he went to Lionel (the only other person who could know), but came up empty. He told him he'd ask her again. He never gets the chance to. We also know Lionel took the paperwork she had, although she may have recovered it. True, he'd get the info once she's killed for her car, but how on earth could he know that before having her killed?

Either way, I guess it's pointless for me to speculate so much on a TV show :)

[jazel]

he IS sick, sorry, I can't explain it better.:(

[LexLuv180]

Well, sigh, I guess that's probably the likeliest answer of all, Jazel. Simple but straightforward.

[Dor el]

Lex recognized the Veritas formation picture on her locket. Recently, Lex has seen that picture on his window, his toy soldier, in his memory, (possibly the mail room at Luthorcorp), and on the star charts his assistant was showing him when Kara walked in to announce that she wanted to move in with Lex. He knows that formation is somehow related to the meteor shower that occurred in 1989-an event which changed his life forever. I think he is close to connecting Clark to the meteor shower, if he hasn't already. Patricia made it clear to Lex that the necklace was important to her leading Lex to assume 1. he will have to kill her to get it because just stealing it would leave Patricia to search for her beloved necklace (a gift to her from her father just before he died), and 2. that necklace hold answers for which he has been and is currently searching. Lex has made it abundantly clear that he always finds a way to win. He gets what he wants and he doesn't care about what price anyone else has to pay just as long as he gets what he wants. Insanity allows killing to become rather matter-of-fact. Lex has had a taste of blood and has no aversion to spilling it. Anyone's blood. I think he would kill even Lana if she gets in his way. And he loves her! Kara saved his miserable live when the dam broke; yet he was willing to dissect her brain. The man has no heart and his soul is lost to him. So, basically, Lex has little of value to lose. His wealth can be replaced given the shrewd business practices Lex has become so adept at. Lex has crossed the fall line of that proverbial slippery slope.

[LexLuv180]

Dor el

That answers a lot of it, and I think you're right now. I didn't pay much attention the necklace myself, but apparently he realized how extremely significant it must have been. Thanks for the well thought-out answer

[hanna1804]

From what we see in the "Veritas" trailer, I think Lex killed Patricia to get her necklace because of the speech she gave him in the mansion about her dad wanted to always wear it, so he figured out that it was an important part of the Veritas "project".

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And in the trailer for next week, we see that the necklace has a key inside with the Veritas symbol. Also, I think that the thing that Chloe is going to steal from Lex is that key.

[Hopefulsuicide]

well i dont think he needed patricia alive, cause with no one to take over, all of Dr Swanns notes and things will be easily accesible to Lex. I mean she probably had some stuff on her that he would have nicked, and i guess he figured she wouldnt tell him the truth

its lucky she gave Clark the most revealing peice just before she died, so Lex won't quite figure it out.

only thing that weirds me out, is that Lex could have had anyone clean that blood off the necklace... if he still had a conscience he would have... but he must have done it out of enjoyment or something... very chilling

[DestinyAw8s]

Lex cleaned the blood from the necklace because he wanted to feel his power, his satisfaction in his ability to crush any obstacle. Sick, I know but his is a very sick mind. In "Fracture" we saw it to be a dark, foreboding, almost soulless place with his evilness controlling almost every aspect. Anyway, I think he did have Patricia Swann killed. I think he had already found out something regarding the Veritas symbols and Patricia Swann simply brought his attention to her necklace when she touched it. And who's to say that he only took her necklace? Knowing Lex, he would certainly take the opportunity to gain access to whatever else he could find. Apparently, she had plenty of info with her. I seem to remember that his assistant was on the verge of revealing something startling when Kara interrupted them in "Hero". I wonder if that reveal didn't take place in offscreenville and is connected with what just happened in "Traveler" and what will take place in "Veritas" in regards to the necklace and its contents. Just speculating here. :p And it's so fun!

[JaysonG]

I thought Patricia was going to create Star Labs, oh well...

[clarkbunny]

I'm not entirely convinced that Patricia is dead. I thought that Lex was going to find out about Veritas from Patricia, so it would make sense that she was worth more to him alive than dead - dead birds don't sing!

If he wanted her necklace he could have arranged for it to be stolen from her - a fixed mugging, he didn't have to kill her.

I am wondering if Lex had Patricia kidnapped so he could interrogate her about Veritas. The blood on the necklace could be from her being shot with a tranquiliser gun rather than a bullet (although that did sound like a silencer). Thing is we didn't see her actually get mortally shot so we can't say for sure.

[JEWCY]

lots of interesting points about Lex trying to get ahead of Lionel.

I think that Lex did kill Patricia and he knew he was going to kill her - right when he saw the painting.

Showing him the painting in her mind was to see if he knew anything about it and to give him something to ask his father about to spark Lionel into action. I do not think that she would realize that Lex would take it as a sign that she knew about the project - and if it's something he's either working on or something he's trying to get info on regarding his father then you can believe that he would want the info from her. Maybe seeing her rub the necklace sparked a memory for Lex in something we haven't seen yet - a childhood memory or something he has already uncovered.

I think in the end - Patricia was watching for Lionel and didn't see Lex coming instead...... she underestimated the family with her focus on one man.


Lex recognized the Veritas formation picture on her locket. Recently, Lex has seen that picture on his window, his toy soldier, in his memory, (possibly the mail room at Luthorcorp), and on the star charts his assistant was showing him when Kara walked in to announce that she wanted to move in with Lex. He knows that formation is somehow related to the meteor shower that occurred in 1989-an event which changed his life forever. I think he is close to connecting Clark to the meteor shower, if he hasn't already. Patricia made it clear to Lex that the necklace was important to her leading Lex to assume 1. he will have to kill her to get it because just stealing it would leave Patricia to search for her beloved necklace (a gift to her from her father just before he died), and 2. that necklace hold answers for which he has been and is currently searching. Lex has made it abundantly clear that he always finds a way to win. He gets what he wants and he doesn't care about what price anyone else has to pay just as long as he gets what he wants. Insanity allows killing to become rather matter-of-fact. Lex has had a taste of blood and has no aversion to spilling it. Anyone's blood. I think he would kill even Lana if she gets in his way. And he loves her! Kara saved his miserable live when the dam broke; yet he was willing to dissect her brain. The man has no heart and his soul is lost to him. So, basically, Lex has little of value to lose. His wealth can be replaced given the shrewd business practices Lex has become so adept at. Lex has crossed the fall line of that proverbial slippery slope.


Lex cleaned the blood from the necklace because he wanted to feel his power, his satisfaction in his ability to crush any obstacle. Sick, I know but his is a very sick mind. In "Fracture" we saw it to be a dark, foreboding, almost soulless place with his evilness controlling almost every aspect. Anyway, I think he did have Patricia Swann killed. I think he had already found out something regarding the Veritas symbols and Patricia Swann simply brought his attention to her necklace when she touched it. And who's to say that he only took her necklace? Knowing Lex, he would certainly take the opportunity to gain access to whatever else he could find. Apparently, she had plenty of info with her. I seem to remember that his assistant was on the verge of revealing something startling when Kara interrupted them in "Hero". I wonder if that reveal didn't take place in offscreenville and is connected with what just happened in "Traveler" and what will take place in "Veritas" in regards to the necklace and its contents. Just speculating here. :p And it's so fun!


good, insightful posts

but i would like one of you, or anyone else, to go more into the painting.

was this traced? how would lex know about it?

dor-el...was the veritas logo in his mind during fracture, just don't remember that. also the mailroom in luthorcorp, what do you mean by that? is that where the logo has been seen before.

[LexLuv180]

good, insightful posts

but i would like one of you, or anyone else, to go more into the painting.

was this traced? how would lex know about it?

dor-el...was the veritas logo in his mind during fracture, just don't remember that. also the mailroom in luthorcorp, what do you mean by that? is that where the logo has been seen before.

They said he must have seen it when he was a kid from his parents, and drew it. It wasn't in his mind during fracture, but we only got to visit like three rooms, or three memories, so most things of what his life weren't.

[Dor el]

They said he must have seen it when he was a kid from his parents, and drew it. It wasn't in his mind during fracture, but we only got to visit like three rooms, or three memories, so most things of what his life weren't.

The painting wasn't in his mind, but the toy soldier with the Veritas symbol was. He was working on yet another of his paintings of that symbol as we saw in fracture. We saw young Lex painting the symbol on the toy soldier just before Lionel came in and roughed him up a bit. He also painted the picture Patricia returned to him in this epi.