"I love your son!!"

[Yasise]

You took the words out of my mouth, Jazel! I couldn't agree with you more!

Yes, me too, Jazel :)

[darkone]

Didnt we learn already that the Clana love is everlasting in this show anyways?I guess not.

So liana if you want to blame something/someone about Clois being tainted then it is the fact that we have Lois on the show.That's the big mistake here and not Clark's love for Lana.Now I don't want that Clark feels guilty in all eternity but I don't want him to move on from her emotionally either.It'd be an insult to the Clana fanbase IMO.I don't expect other shippers having the same opinion though. :)

As for Chloe's pathetic plea.What has Chloe obsessing over Clark in the FOS to do with Clark's feelings for Chloe?She's his sidekick,research tool,best friend at best not his girlfriend.If Chloe meant it in a romantic way (which I doubt) I'd say she's going back to the lovesick loser image from S1-S4.I'm wondering how Chloe fans can appreciate that?

And yes I think Lana's situation will connect both even more together emotionally then before.And it shouldnt be any other way.JMHO

[Lazy Boy]

Great little line from that episode. Although it was long suspected by all, the question is does Clark feels the same way about Chloe? Even though as Lana has slept with Bizarro, Clark is still with her so I'm starting to run out of possible scenarios about how Clark will get with Chloe.
Still I agree with some other comments about discounting it as a throw away line. It's not a line that the writers will tied to one scene as it may carry on further into the series. So it's watch this space for me.
Overall, a good episode with an intriguing plot.

[shy175223]

Oh, I agree it is dumb, but these are the guys that decided to make Clark turn back time to save Lana, knowing that someone would die in her place, remember? They could have written JK's death, without having Clark making that decision, but they had to make him responsible for his death.

So, I believe with them, anything is possible.

yea, I know I would probably be crushed at the end but I am still keeping fingers crossed.:\


One thing is for sure and that is the series final season would not be a good time to explore a Clark and Chloe relationship. I believe that the love she has for Clark is deep and sincere, and that any sacrifice she would make would be born out of that loyalty. Hearing her saying to Jor-El that she loved his son the way she did was one the most heart felt declarations made that carried no evidence of any insincerity, and only that of desperation save him. Her plea of course didn't go unnoticed by Jor-El which allowed her to achieve what she set out to, and clearly showed her willingness if need be to do whatever was needed to protect or save Clark which may very well be a foreshadowing of Chloe's fate. Maybe? Take care.


Peace To All

A forshadowing of Chloe's fate?? I hope not.

I totally agree. Except, with Lois, she gets into trouble so much and almost gets herself killed so often that she's perfect for him. He has to save her most of the time without her knowing about it. So she's better off with him than without him. So maybe they can show the beginning of that and the beggining of his feelings for her. I hope he and Lana break up quickly so they can show that.

Surely they won't have him mope again.

Lois better off with than without him? Right now Lois is not even close to whom she is at this point despite her being inthe DP...I think there friendship is just fine the way it is and it is a little too soon for Clark to ANY romantic feelings toward Lois...


Didnt we learn already that the Clana love is everlasting in this show anyways?I guess not.

So liana if you want to blame something/someone about Clois being tainted then it is the fact that we have Lois on the show.That's the big mistake here and not Clark's love for Lana.Now I don't want that Clark feels guilty in all eternity but I don't want him to move on from her emotionally either.It'd be an insult to the Clana fanbase IMO.I don't expect other shippers having the same opinion though. :)


And yes I think Lana's situation will connect both even more together emotionally then before.And it shouldnt be any other way.JMHO


Clana everlasting love, doubt it. Lana is hs first love...that's it, I think he cares for her but I don;t think he truly loves her...not deeply anyway.JMHO

[savingpeoplething]

TPTB always state that Clark and Chloe will never be together, that Chlois will never happen (they even laugh at the theory), they say Chloe and Clark are just really the best of friends and blah blah blah.

So WHY?

This is my question: Why Chloe?

Why have her say "I love your son", or have her stand up to Lana when she realized what he friend was becoming? Why have be so in sync with Clark? Why have Clark be so overprotective of her? Why have her know Clark better than his own girlfriend? Why have Lex say she's infatuated with Clark? Why have Jimmy jealous of Chlark friendship? Why have Clark to practically lose all control after finding out Chloe was dead?

All great questions, which all have a simple answer: Chlark is the endgame to this series.

I really don't think that everything they've done, especially this season in particular, is to show that Clark and Chloe are just BFFs. There's something more there and it's been building for a while. I firmly believe that Chlark is the couple we're supposed to be cheering for and wanting to get together, just based on the story and the way their relationship has evolved.

I think "Traveler" Chloe earned her rightful place as love interest to Clark Kent. Now, it's just up to Clark to have an ah-ha moment sometime down the road (which, yes, I do believe will happen).

If Chlark never happens romantically, I will be shocked. It's been wonderfully written and set up over the years and again, particularly, in this season, where the show is so close to the end. For them not to capitalize and payoff all these situations would be perplexing to me.



They must have some kind of a plan envolving Chloe and Clark. They must have something for them more than teasing. I mean, they gave her the ability to heal and come back from the deads. The "I love your son" has to lead to something more.

I don't think it's just a "bone to Chlarkers" as some claim. Smallville writers are fantastic at foreshadowing things to come and I think it could be possible that they brought Chloe's feelings back up to the audience as a way to set some things up for Chlark later on.

I think it's probably been said before, but Chloe didn't HAVE to say "I LOVE your son". She could have said, "He's my BFF and he's in trouble!" or "I really CARE about your son" or "The world needs him!" or something to that effect, which would have definitely made it platonic. But, saying "love"? That's definitely supposed to lead to something more.



I just wish they would rush to answer that list of whys a little. Come on! It's seven years of waiting...

They made a point in earlier seasons (Seasons 1 and 2) that Chlark would be "worth the wait" and I pretty much figure that they actually meant that. I'm also convinced that via "Fever", Clark will actually "fly back to" Chloe. So, now, that we are hearing Clark possibly learning to fly this season, I think Chlark is around the corner somewhere.

I'm okay waiting for 8 seasons for Chlark. I waited 10 for Ross and Rachel on Friends. 8 will feel like it came early :)

[FLyxNERD]

dam der is like 3 threads on this topic already....wats so special about wat chloe said?

i mean cmon now it isnt that serious

[jazel]

As for Chloe's pathetic plea.What has Chloe obsessing over Clark in the FOS to do with Clark's feelings for Chloe?She's his sidekick,research tool,best friend at best not his girlfriend.If Chloe meant it in a romantic way (which I doubt) I'd say she's going back to the lovesick loser image from S1-S4.I'm wondering how Chloe fans can appreciate that?


:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[rowan sjet]

I think the way she said it, the 'love' was the of the platonic variety, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't say no to a little romance. ;)

[kraami]

When looking at the chloe char, she is the glue of everyone on the show. She is lois's cousin which caused lois to come to smallville. She has/had feelings for Jimmy which brings him into the picture. And of course her love for clark brings them all together. Keep in mind also that through all the years that chloe had these feelings she put them aside for clark's happiness(Defintion of someone truly loving someone else) I believe chlark is coming but it will be tragic when chloe uses her power to save clark(thus killing chloe for good or transforming her into her own superhero). Lois and jimmy and clark will come together and go after lex thus ending the series and leaving all superman fans happy. Dont forget when lois thought chloe was dead she came to smallville and her and clark worked pretty good together i believe that will utimately bring them together again.

[do3mire]

I don't think it's just a "bone to Chlarkers" as some claim. Smallville writers are fantastic at foreshadowing things to come and I think it could be possible that they brought Chloe's feelings back up to the audience as a way to set some things up for Chlark later on.


I confess. I made up the "bone" comment. I guess I'm a "glass is half-empty" sort of person and have less faith in the intent of the writers in telling a coherent story. But, as you point out



If Chlark never happens romantically, I will be shocked. It's been wonderfully written and set up over the years and again, particularly, in this season, where the show is so close to the end. For them not to capitalize and payoff all these situations would be perplexing to me.


I totally agree with this point. It would be a WTF for me.

If you take the long view, "I love your son" is just one (albeit a pretty strong one) in a long string of events that have bound Clark and Chloe together as the couple to root for. I used to be down on Lana and Clana but having shaken my SV obsession (I stopped watching for half a season), I also have this sense that Clana has been consistently written. That there's something implicit in the 2 characters, Clark and Lana, that dooms their relationship. Lana is my favorite character this season. I love her ambiguity. I loved her in Persona. From a woman giddy in love to the panic in her eyes when Clark returns from the FoS and tells her she's been with Biz. KK was awesome playing her. I think the writers really shined writing Lana this season.

[MeKa]

Lana knows. Lex knows. Jimmy knows. Pete knows. Now Jor-el knows. :D

:rotfl:

[clarkbunny]

Well having watched that scene again, I have to say it definitely sounded like an admission by Chloe of romantic love. She was desperate to save Clark and she just blurted out her true feelings for him which she has been suppressing all these years.

I think Chlark will make an awesome couple. Chloe doing her Watchtower thing for the justice league and working as Clark's side kick. Plus their interaction as a romantic couple would be great, it has been building up to it for some years now. They were so sweet together as a couple in Season 2.

If we don't get Chlark before the end of Smallville I will feel cheated. Like someone else said it's like Ross and Rachael in friends - it's meant to be, we're just waiting for it to happen.

On a side note, did anyone else not think it was strange that Lana didn't bat an eyelid when Chloe said she'd climb Mt Everest to save Clark? I don't know about other girls but i'd look at my friend a bit funny if she was talking like that about my boyfriend - even if they were best friends :lol:

[go_clo]

dam der is like 3 threads on this topic already....wats so special about wat chloe said?

i mean cmon now it isnt that serious
There is like 3 threads and about a million pages stating otherwise! :p


Didnt we learn already that the Clana love is everlasting in this show anyways?I guess not.

So liana if you want to blame something/someone about Clois being tainted then it is the fact that we have Lois on the show.That's the big mistake here and not Clark's love for Lana.Now I don't want that Clark feels guilty in all eternity but I don't want him to move on from her emotionally either.It'd be an insult to the Clana fanbase IMO.I don't expect other shippers having the same opinion though. :)

As for Chloe's pathetic plea.What has Chloe obsessing over Clark in the FOS to do with Clark's feelings for Chloe?She's his sidekick,research tool,best friend at best not his girlfriend.If Chloe meant it in a romantic way (which I doubt) I'd say she's going back to the lovesick loser image from S1-S4.I'm wondering how Chloe fans can appreciate that?

And yes I think Lana's situation will connect both even more together emotionally then before.And it shouldnt be any other way.JMHO
I'd respond to this but it'll all just come out really mean so I'll just do this.....:rolleyes:.....till my eyes hurt!

[kraami]

What i would have liked to see tho in the episode was clark either asking kara what deal was made with Jor-el to give back your powers? I had to die to get mine back. It just seems that clark would have expected some kind of deal to be done. I hope clark goes up to FOS to find out what deal was made and gets a replay of chloe devotion? That would be a way to end veritas and leave us hanging for three weeks

[MeKa]

Chloe wil always love Clark; that is something that will always be with her. However, in this case I personally feel that what she was describing is that which goes beyond friendship and romance. A feeling that very few ever get to experience. A feeling that which is hard to describe, for even I now, am having trouble coming up with words to use. The best I can currently come up with would be a bond of intimate friendship (not intimate as in something physical either).

You've said it really well but how does this apply:

"The expression soul mate can mean a partnership in which the soul is engaged, in which one's own soul connects with another's. This is no small thing, and it reaches far deeper than the resolution of any superficial search for romance. Part of what we long for in our wish for a soul mate is intimacy with and the expression of our own soul."

-- Thomas Moore, Original Self

Ergo, Chloe and Clark are soul mates.


Okay...

I don't usually post in the section but Chloe's line just... Well, I couldn't keep my mouth shut this time.

I'm a Brasilian fan and I watched the scene on the internet and I've been reading all of your posts regarding Chloe's statement since yesterday.

I have to confess that I agree with practically most of the arguments presented here, even from the Clois fans and all.

I loved the scene. I was jumping up and down when I watched and was so happy about Chloe's honesty but there's soemthing bothering me.

TPTB always state that Clark and Chloe will never be together, that Chlois will never happen (they even laugh at the theory), they say Chloe and Clark are just really the best of friends and blah blah blah.

So WHY?

This is my question: Why Chloe?

Why have her say "I love your son", or have her stand up to Lana when she realized what he friend was becoming? Why have be so in sync with Clark? Why have Clark be so overprotective of her? Why have her know Clark better than his own girlfriend? Why have Lex say she's infatuated with Clark? Why have Jimmy jealous of Chlark friendship? Why have Clark to practically lose all control after finding out Chloe was dead?

And the list of whys goes on and on. You know them better than I do.


I know it's television and they would do anything to have us keep coming back for more. But if it is all teasing like Clois fan claim it to be.... What's the point?

I mean... Really...

They must have some kind of a plan envolving Chloe and Clark. They must have something for them more than teasing. I mean, they gave her the ability to heal and come back from the deads. The "I love your son" has to lead to something more.

Smallville is an AU, so anything and everything can happen.

I just wish they would rush to answer that list of whys a little. Come on! It's seven years of waiting...

I don't know...

I know how you feel. All those declarations and insinuations have to mean something. And they usually do but the pay off can be late in coming and we can only be patient. :-)

[clarkbunny]

What i would have liked to see tho in the episode was clark either asking kara what deal was made with Jor-el to give back your powers? I had to die to get mine back. It just seems that clark would have expected some kind of deal to be done. I hope clark goes up to FOS to find out what deal was made and gets a replay of chloe devotion? That would be a way to end veritas and leave us hanging for three weeks

That would be interesting to see what Clark makes of Chloe's admission. I think Clark thinks Chloe is over him, if he knew she still loves him he might give his deep feelings for her a little more thought.

I would love Clark to kiss Chloe on the spur of the moment after rescuing her or while the two of them were in danger. Then for them to part and think 'woah where did that come from?' opening up dialogue for their real feelings for each other *sigh* :)

[Misskiss645]

I think Chloe still loves Clark but if anyone ever found out that she said that (which no one will) She'll say it was because they were friends. I wish Chlark was really meant to be. *sigh* I can dream though.

[liana]

Didnt we learn already that the Clana love is everlasting in this show anyways?I guess not.

So liana if you want to blame something/someone about Clois being tainted then it is the fact that we have Lois on the show.That's the big mistake here and not Clark's love for Lana.Now I don't want that Clark feels guilty in all eternity but I don't want him to move on from her emotionally either.It'd be an insult to the Clana fanbase IMO.I don't expect other shippers having the same opinion though. :)

As for Chloe's pathetic plea.What has Chloe obsessing over Clark in the FOS to do with Clark's feelings for Chloe?She's his sidekick,research tool,best friend at best not his girlfriend.If Chloe meant it in a romantic way (which I doubt) I'd say she's going back to the lovesick loser image from S1-S4.I'm wondering how Chloe fans can appreciate that?

And yes I think Lana's situation will connect both even more together emotionally then before.And it shouldnt be any other way.JMHO

darkone, this is not about clois. This is about Clark and the person he should become. This is about hope, and not despair. If Lana remains in a coma because of Clark, it is really not important his future, just because he won't have one. That's the point, really. IMO, it was enougth that they made Clark responsible for Jonathan's death, something that has already had deep effects on him. Should he be responsible for Lana's fate as well? For me, JK was more than enough for a lifetime.

[MeKa]

My theory ? TPTB at Smallville, from the shows conception, NEVER had plans for a Chlark hook-up. Until feedback came in from viewers, they probably didn't even plan the kisses, or the unrequited crush on Chloe's part. The fictional, solely created by SV character, of Chloe, has surpassed even CK's importance on the show. I believe this is ONLY one of many corners, TPTB have painted themselves in.......so they throw ALL shippers, a "bone".....a bit of Clana here, a sprinkle of Chloe there, a Clois anvil here and there (once in a blue moon, actually:lol:).
Meanwhile Gough/Millar, continue to giggle, at their cleverness.:rolleyes:
Not taking into consideration, that MOST fans, might not "appreciate" how they play things out.:(
As a fan of Superman (the reason I tune in), I can honestly admit that I do NOT love the character of Chloe, as some do. In fact I want to see her, taken out of the "equation", just to see IF BDA, can handle things without her.....BUT Chloe supporters will say, he is who is, BECAUSE of Chloe, AND can NOT survive without her.:lol:
Have LOVED Superman LONG before Smallville. So I try to be open-minded, about SV's take on things. BUT it doesn't mean, I appreciate them destroying a LEGEND like they have, for me....The FOS is "hallowed" ground, BUT according to SV, it can be the "new" village bicycle....EVERYBODY gets a ride.:rotfl:

I think tptb realized that Clark and Chloe had some interesting chemistry on screen, something we (or those who chose to see it) picked up on and that to them meant sustainable viewership because we'd be invested in a relationship between said characters and would return to watch their interaction.

I don't think anyone's entirely satisfied with the way tptb have handled the Superman legend. Even the very original character of Chloe Sullivan (whom I really like) has not been handled all that well.

Much to my dismay, she was the creation of two *ehem* questionably evil people. Evil genius some might say but that remains to be seen if the Chlois theory pans out. I'm sure they clap their hands in glee knowing we discuss all of this. All this bickering makes them very happy indeed.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Remind me again. What exactly became of the last meteor infected bottle blonde who knew Clark's secret and admitted to loving him?

Fact About the show: Clark is cursed.

Every relationship he ever has ends badly. And it's often the girl who pays the ultimate price.

I like the idea of Chloe on the show. So maybe she should keep clear of her jinx BDA friend. If she wants to live that is.

[Lostfan588]

I think Chloe still loves Clark but if anyone ever found out that she said that (which no one will) She'll say it was because they were friends. I wish Chlark was really meant to be. *sigh* I can dream though.

Well, Al and Miles sure keep convincing it's meant to be. They are the ones who wrote her letter to Clark in Fever, and her VO in Thirst after all. :lol:

Speaking of dreams...yeah, I liked where Chloe was in all the dream episodes in the series so far :lol:.

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That would be interesting to see what Clark makes of Chloe's admission. I think Clark thinks Chloe is over him, if he knew she still loves him he might give his deep feelings for her a little more thought.

I would love Clark to kiss Chloe on the spur of the moment after rescuing her or while the two of them were in danger. Then for them to part and think 'woah where did that come from?' opening up dialogue for their real feelings for each other *sigh* :)

Totally agree. All the best Chlark moments in the past have been pretty...spontaneous, I would say.:lol:

[BlaCkHeaRt_me]

To be honest I have no idea how she meant it. It seems romantic to me but at the same time (I blame the writers) i feel like they'll just spin it to mean nothing. So i'm pretty confused on that :(

[Kel-El09]

I know...I'm really angry about that. Like the "big kiss" in episode vessel..then they didn't get together or anything, she got with Jimmy?? What's that about? So, if nothing happens after Chloe admits her love for clark in the fortress, then I'm guessing nothing ever will.

[Vergon6]

You mean like how they seemed to be suggesting that Kara moving into Lex's mansion was this big terrible thing, but then she was out of there and got her memory back in less than episode? Frankly I am glad they didn't side to repeat the early part of the Lex and Lana relationship, but they shouldn't have had her even go into the mansion for the last part of an episode when she was going to be out of it within the next episode.

[Kel-El09]

I agree..Kara moving in with Lex was a little drastic, but I see where the writers were coming from. I mean, we all know what happened when Lana moved in, so I think by having Kara move in, it emphasized just how important it was to get Kara out and her memory back.

[Lostfan588]

I know...I'm really angry about that. Like the "big kiss" in episode vessel..then they didn't get together or anything, she got with Jimmy?? What's that about? So, if nothing happens after Chloe admits her love for clark in the fortress, then I'm guessing nothing ever will.

Well, I totally see what you are saying, and yes, it is really annoying that there's so much unresolved tension (like you said w/ Vessel, and also Tempest, and Zod, Bound, Crimson, etc.). However, imo there has been SO many of these "teasing" moments, that just because there hasn't been immediate satisfaction, doesn't mean there won't be. I just consider it slow build up...the Chlark shippers have been thrown enough bones by now (especially in the past three seasons) to make an entire skeleton, plus some, and I seriously doubt it's meaningless considering the development we've been given, and parallels made in their friendship, powers, and complementary relationships. Er, I'm also not expecting anything from this "I love your son" line because the only other character that knows what she said is JorEl (and possibly Kara, but I'm not sure). What is important is that while Clark is not aware of this, the audience is let in on it.

[Kel-El09]

I guess your right..and while I did expect things from the other episodes, they can't really build off of what happened in the fortress because no one knows about it. Maybe it just finally proved her feelings (not that we didn't already know) and is foreshadowing something to come. I just wish if Chlark was going to have a run on the show, they would have done it before now, because clark is getting closer and closer to fulfilling his destiny...which means clois is soon on the way.

[redraven]

Was NOT, "touched", or "awed" or by the scene......had ME thinking...... WHY the hell, is Chloe, is back on "hallowed" ground ? :\HONESTLY thought ONLY Clark could "activate" the FOS!:lol:
I honestly do NOT appreciate, Chloe being the "voice" of the future.....she loves him ? NO surprise there.:p
she had NO business being there, the first time around. Even Kara didn't seem all that impressed, w/ Chloe's plea:lol:

I totally agree with your post Jazel. :) I think that may be a first...lol.

[luvinChlark]

Was NOT, "touched", or "awed" or by the scene......had ME thinking...... WHY the hell, is Chloe, is back on "hallowed" ground ? :\HONESTLY thought ONLY Clark could "activate" the FOS!:lol:
I honestly do NOT appreciate, Chloe being the "voice" of the future.....she loves him ? NO surprise there.:p
she had NO business being there, the first time around. Even Kara didn't seem all that impressed, w/ Chloe's plea:lol:


What do you mean "she had no business being there the first time around"? If your talking about arrival then yeah, but it wasn't her fault. Lex made her go to the caves and then by accident she was transported there. ;) Did they show Kara's reaction? But does it really matter? Since she had her memory wiped she didn't know about Chloe's feelings and wasn't even close with Clark.
But If your talking about Kara after she got her memory back I'm pretty sure she doesn't know what Chloe had said because Kara was like "why are we in the Fortress?" :\ I'm beating if Kara remembered what went down she would have said something like "aww I'm going to tell Clark!" :)

[Dustmite]

For those that thought only Clark could activate the FoS, well now we know different, don't we? Chloe can and she did.

And Kara not impressed. Who cares? Jor-El was. And that's all that matters. Kara knows Chloe played a part in saving Clark and she seems glad of it IMO.

[IloveClark]

Gee nice to see the maturity of the Chlark haters rearing it's ugly head.

[christian_kryptonian]

Philia, not Eros!

[shy175223]

Gee nice to see the maturity of the Chlark haters rearing it's ugly head.

I think that was sweet but definitely no forshadowing of any Chlark in sight.,...IF I have to repeat this statement over and over again I will.

[BizzaroJerry]

I think that was sweet but definitely no forshadowing of any Chlark in sight.,...IF I have to repeat this statement over and over again I will.

Well then looks like you will have to repeat and rinse. :-)

Think of it this way, TPTB could have just as easily written the scene NOT to emphases Chloes feelings for Clark, but they didn't, so there it is. People here are arguing between love as a friend or love as a lover Jor-El knows / knew the difference between these emotions and I strongly suspect his 'essence' knows this a well.

For Chloe to be able to invoke Jor-El's name and then have him response is something that should be considered monumental on smallville. Think of it from Jor-El's perspective he has this stranger walk into the fortress uninvited, the last time she did this she was nearly killed by him, that time Clark pleaded with him to left him help her, then this same person comes back and pleads with Jor-El to let her help him.

This sets up a nice symmetry between the two characters in Jor-El's and our own eyes. I also suspect that Jor-El has ways and means to be able to tell what is really inside someone's heart, if he can heal peoples memories, probing the minds of human beings I suspect wont and isn't difficult for someone of his power level. Remember as a Kryptonian he may have powers that work in ways which cannot understand, even on the show.

Let us face this fundamental truth that Chloe has and still loves Clark, even when going and sleeping with someone else she still comes back and admits to loving Clark, we see this in nearly every scene with Jimmy and her he senses it a lot of the audience sense it. Clark had to go through a lot end up with Lana and even then it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

I suspect when and hopefully if Chlark does happen the TPTB will snatch it away from us under the guise of her death. I also suspect that Jor-El will play a major role in wiping Clark from Chloe's mind when she returns from the dead, it will be a price that Clark and the audience will have to pay I suspect to ensure that supes continuity is kept intact.

In the end I just really don't know for sure, like all 'teenage' now into young adult dramas its all full of backtracking, uncertainty, angst and regrets.

That is what it is, that is smallville.

[Lazy Boy]

"[quote=darkone;3664573] As for Chloe's pathetic plea.What has Chloe obsessing over Clark in the FOS to do with Clark's feelings for Chloe?She's his sidekick,research tool,best friend at best not his girlfriend.If Chloe meant it in a romantic way (which I doubt) I'd say she's going back to the lovesick loser image from S1-S4.I'm wondering how Chloe fans can appreciate that?"

Whoa darkone, this is where I have to disagree, I don't think Chloe plea was pathetic. It was a heart-felt cry for help. Yes she loved him, we all know that for a while but at least she tries to handle her infatuation in a mature way which earns the appreciation of the Chloe fans and other characters' fans too. She dated Jimmy and help Clark with Lana where ever possible. In a way, I think Chloe tells her fans, don't be selfish even if it comes at a emotional cost to you.
Yes she was lovesick back in the earlier series (aren't we all at that age) but Chloe has grown to learn how to manage that feeling but also wise enough to use it when it matters the most as she did in that "Traveler" scene in order to prompt Jo-el to take action. Now I agree with other that this is not a throw away line, the writers will be following up on this later in the series or the next.

[Arwenstar]

Was NOT, "touched", or "awed" or by the scene......had ME thinking...... WHY the hell, is Chloe, is back on "hallowed" ground ? :\HONESTLY thought ONLY Clark could "activate" the FOS!:lol:
I honestly do NOT appreciate, Chloe being the "voice" of the future.....she loves him ? NO surprise there.:p
she had NO business being there, the first time around. Even Kara didn't seem all that impressed, w/ Chloe's plea:lol:

I'm lost as to how this argument has any validity or logic behind it. Okay, *you* weren't touched by it because you hate Chloe. Simple. Other people were, and hence, the excitement. You asked previously why people were "surprised" and I merely said, I doubt anyone is--they're just excited. :rotfl: Of course, misconstruing one's words can greatly enhance your argument...

She had no business doing there? Pfft, the writers don't seem to think so. That's why she's been there THREE times already. Don't like it? The writers don't seem to care. She was there to save Clark TWICE. Whether Kara seems impressed by Chloe's plea or not also didn't seem to matter, since Jor-El did what Chloe wanted anyway. :lol:

[Khyla]

Think of it this way, TPTB could have just as easily written the scene NOT to emphases Chloes feelings for Clark, but they didn't, so there it is. People here are arguing between love as a friend or love as a lover Jor-El knows / knew the difference between these emotions and I strongly suspect his 'essence' knows this a well.

For Chloe to be able to invoke Jor-El's name and then have him response is something that should be considered monumental on smallville. Think of it from Jor-El's perspective he has this stranger walk into the fortress uninvited, the last time she did this she was nearly killed by him, that time Clark pleaded with him to left him help her, then this same person comes back and pleads with Jor-El to let her help him.

This sets up a nice symmetry between the two characters in Jor-El's and our own eyes. I also suspect that Jor-El has ways and means to be able to tell what is really inside someone's heart, if he can heal peoples memories, probing the minds of human beings I suspect wont and isn't difficult for someone of his power level. Remember as a Kryptonian he may have powers that work in ways which cannot understand, even on the show.

Let us face this fundamental truth that Chloe has and still loves Clark, even when going and sleeping with someone else she still comes back and admits to loving Clark, we see this in nearly every scene with Jimmy and her he senses it a lot of the audience sense it. Clark had to go through a lot end up with Lana and even then it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

I suspect when and hopefully if Chlark does happen the TPTB will snatch it away from us under the guise of her death. I also suspect that Jor-El will play a major role in wiping Clark from Chloe's mind when she returns from the dead, it will be a price that Clark and the audience will have to pay I suspect to ensure that supes continuity is kept intact.

In the end I just really don't know for sure, like all 'teenage' now into young adult dramas its all full of backtracking, uncertainty, angst and regrets.

That is what it is, that is smallville.

EXCELLENT ! your posts are few but it's the quality that counts! And I usually agree. :D Good job! :)

[Imzadia]

It wasn't a surprise, it was just beautiful to hear that she loves him no matter what. She wasn't side tracked by some other form of Clark like someone we won't mention.

However you want to look at it she loves him, she will do anything for him maybe even die for him. It was beautiful that's all. Doesn't have to be analyzed.

:)Chloe actually told Clark in a scene near the end of the episode "Splinter" that she'd DIE before she'd ever betray him. He was looking so sad after he'd done all those things to the people he thought were betraying him while in his delusional state. When Chloe told him that, he smiled sadly at her and hugged her affectionately. I'll never forget that scene.:cool:

[shy175223]

Well then looks like you will have to repeat and rinse. :-)

Think of it this way, TPTB could have just as easily written the scene NOT to emphases Chloes feelings for Clark, but they didn't, so there it is. People here are arguing between love as a friend or love as a lover Jor-El knows / knew the difference between these emotions and I strongly suspect his 'essence' knows this a well.

For Chloe to be able to invoke Jor-El's name and then have him response is something that should be considered monumental on smallville. Think of it from Jor-El's perspective he has this stranger walk into the fortress uninvited, the last time she did this she was nearly killed by him, that time Clark pleaded with him to left him help her, then this same person comes back and pleads with Jor-El to let her help him.

This sets up a nice symmetry between the two characters in Jor-El's and our own eyes. I also suspect that Jor-El has ways and means to be able to tell what is really inside someone's heart, if he can heal peoples memories, probing the minds of human beings I suspect wont and isn't difficult for someone of his power level. Remember as a Kryptonian he may have powers that work in ways which cannot understand, even on the show.

Let us face this fundamental truth that Chloe has and still loves Clark, even when going and sleeping with someone else she still comes back and admits to loving Clark, we see this in nearly every scene with Jimmy and her he senses it a lot of the audience sense it. Clark had to go through a lot end up with Lana and even then it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

I suspect when and hopefully if Chlark does happen the TPTB will snatch it away from us under the guise of her death. I also suspect that Jor-El will play a major role in wiping Clark from Chloe's mind when she returns from the dead, it will be a price that Clark and the audience will have to pay I suspect to ensure that supes continuity is kept intact.

In the end I just really don't know for sure, like all 'teenage' now into young adult dramas its all full of backtracking, uncertainty, angst and regrets.

That is what it is, that is smallville.

you made an excellent point there BJ, I strongly suspect that there will be NO 'if' about the romantic Chlark relationship happening, It was sweet but it was definitely no forshadowing of any romance between Clark and Chloe...you are right she still loves Clark BUT she is not IN love with Clark..big difference there.

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Now I agree with other that this is not a throw away line, the writers will be following up on this later in the series or the next.
I doubt that they are going go through this again-neither during this season or later on in the next season- because it has already has been dealt with a few years back.

[BizzaroJerry]

you made an excellent point there BJ, I strongly suspect that there will be NO 'if' about the romantic Chlark relationship happening, It was sweet but it was definitely no forshadowing of any romance between Clark and Chloe...you are right she still loves Clark BUT she is not IN love with Clark..big difference there.

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I doubt that they are going go through this again-neither during this season or later on in the next season- because it has already has been dealt with a few years back.

Shy not to make it look like I am coming after you but...

But they never left, there was never any resolution made to resolve this situation, this thread was woven into the smallville tapestry all the way back in season 1 and it has yet to be wound up. It is one of the key elements of the show, one of it pillars and I think it yet has to run its course by a long shot.

The issue of her being in love with Clark and loving Clark I think is all a matter of perspective many people will site examples of Chloe love changing while others will bring forward counter points to them. For me the most telling marker was in the episode crimson.

Once Clark was infected by the red K his normal barriers went away and he did and said whatever pleased him however it pleased him. When he admitted to Chloe that he has pondered a relationship with her just look at her reaction it was like all the defences she constructed on this issue where blown away instance (this scene was a testament to AM's exceptional acting ability, she is Chloe Sullivan) you could almost see her shaking for a moment.

Although I am male, sometimes even my dull senses are able to pick up nuanced reactions in the opposite sex. Chloe's was fundamentally shaken to her core .

Chloe is often forced to justify to Lana and Jimmy that she has no feelings for Clark and that she is not holding on. If the characters in the smallville universe sense it why can't we, and this is a recurring theme on the show.

The story of Chloe Sullivan's relationship with Clark Kent can be summed up in one simple but elegant statement.

"There are two types of women in the world, the ones you grow out of and the ones you grow into"

And STILL Clark has a lot of growing up to do.

PS. For me if they do decide to go down this route the Chlark will be considered one of the longest and greatest TV ships of all time and will linger in the minds of many well after Smallville is long and forgotten.

[jazel]

Chloe and Clark, are NOT happening, NO matter anybody's opinion.:lol:
sorry, but ALL I get from the "Chlark" thing, is a bro/sis vibe, THIS fan cannot even imagine a romantic "vibe" to it.:lol:

[Blichew]

PS. For me if they do decide to go down this route the Chlark will be considered one of the longest and greatest TV ships of all time and will linger in the minds of many well after Smallville is long and forgotten.

Amen ;)

[Arwenstar]

Chloe is often forced to justify to Lana and Jimmy that she has no feelings for Clark and that she is not holding on. If the characters in the smallville universe sense it why can't we, and this is a recurring theme on the show.


ITA. This *has* been one of the major issues of the Chloe/Jimmy relationship. I've always seen Clark and Chloe has THE duo, and Jimmy just kind of side-kicking along. Look at all the times he's helped out/provided them information; the scenes were mostly of him approaching Chloe AND Clark. Very Lois Lane/Clark Kent/Jimmy Olsen in my opinion. The possibility of Chlark has always been there throughout the seasons, and for awhile, it SEEMED like Chloe had moved on, even when everyone else was like "why are you so close to Clark?" and finally, I think "Traveler" let us know where Chloe's heart lie for once and for all.

[GuardianAngel]

As for Chloe's pathetic plea.What has Chloe obsessing over Clark in the FOS to do with Clark's feelings for Chloe?She's his sidekick,research tool,best friend at best not his girlfriend.If Chloe meant it in a romantic way (which I doubt) I'd say she's going back to the lovesick loser image from S1-S4.I'm wondering how Chloe fans can appreciate that?


Glad to see I'm not the only one who found Lana's sudden disappearance and Chloe's plea pathetic. Another lame choice made by the writers this season, IMHO.

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Chloe and Clark, are NOT happening, NO matter anybody's opinion.:lol:


No, it won't happen. If it did, this show would be even more about Clark's turbulent love life, not about him becoming Superman.

[MeKa]

Chloe and Clark, are NOT happening, NO matter anybody's opinion.:lol:
sorry, but ALL I get from the "Chlark" thing, is a bro/sis vibe, THIS fan cannot even imagine a romantic "vibe" to it.:lol:

Do you think if you say it enough times it won't happen? ;)

I’d probably climb mount Everest for my brothers (I have two younger ones) but in a bid to save their lives probably wouldn’t make any "I love your son" declarations in the process. That's just creepy.

[go_clo]

BizzaroJerry Totally agree with both of thsoe posts! :D


ITA. This *has* been one of the major issues of the Chloe/Jimmy relationship. I've always seen Clark and Chloe has THE duo, and Jimmy just kind of side-kicking along. Look at all the times he's helped out/provided them information; the scenes were mostly of him approaching Chloe AND Clark. Very Lois Lane/Clark Kent/Jimmy Olsen in my opinion. The possibility of Chlark has always been there throughout the seasons, and for awhile, it SEEMED like Chloe had moved on, even when everyone else was like "why are you so close to Clark?" and finally, I think "Traveler" let us know where Chloe's heart lie for once and for all.
Totally Agree! :)
This is also another reason why Chlarkers loved this scene so much. Even if you haters don't think so, alot of Chlarkers see this scene as confirmation to all our suspicions. Everyone says now that "oh we already knew that, this is nothing new" but for a couple years now, ever since Jimmy showed up, the writers and Chlark haters have tried they're hardest to disprove that and prove that Chloe has been over Clark this whole time. Most Chlarkers wouldn't give in and believe that, some did. But Chloe actually saying she loved Clark was big for many of us, even though most of us Chlark fans knew that the whole time, some didn't and alot of the haters tried disproving it. It's nice to see not only our suspicions confirmed to ourselves and many others, but also our hope raised! :o

Us Chlarkers aren't a bunch of pathetic, crazy, losers holding on to something that was dead 2 years ago! We are just a bunch of pathetic Chlark crazy fans that know it was never dead in the first place.... Just napping. ;) We see the truth!

[jazel]

I know...I'm really angry about that. Like the "big kiss" in episode vessel..then they didn't get together or anything, she got with Jimmy?? What's that about? So, if nothing happens after Chloe admits her love for clark in the fortress, then I'm guessing nothing ever will.

Chloe= nothing EVER happens..........until Jor-el kills her ?:lol:

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Totally agree. All the best Chlark moments in the past have been pretty...spontaneous, I would say.:lol:
YUP...........none of it, was planned out !:lol:

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SHE loves him !!! Come on J, give HER ALL the benefits !!!:lol:

[Yasise]

No, it won't happen. If it did, this show would be even more about Clark's turbulent love life, not about him becoming Superman.

So true!!!


Do you think if you say it enough times it won't happen? ;)

I’d probably climb mount Everest for my brothers (I have two younger ones) but in a bid to save their lives probably wouldn’t make any "I love your son" declarations in the process. That's just creepy.

So you never say "I love you" to your brothers or to your best friends? Well, I certainly do so many times and I mean it, of course, in a platonic way :).

[go_clo]

So you never say "I love you" to your brothers or to your best friends? Well, I certainly do so many times and I mean it, of course, in a platonic way :).
I don't. I don't even say it to my twin sister!

[Yasise]

I don't. I don't even say it to my twin sister!

Wow, that's ...????? I don't know what to say about it, because for me, it's just normal to tell it to my loved ones from time to time. That includes my family and my friends.

I think it's nice to say it and it does really good to hear it, too. So why not saying it, when you feel it?
Why only say it to your "love of your life"???

Sorry, but when you love your sister, why not tell her? Life is too short to have such things not said to your loved ones, believe me.

[MeKa]

So true!!!



So you never say "I love you" to your brothers or to your best friends? Well, I certainly do so many times and I mean it, of course, in a platonic way :).

I do, sometimes. :) But I was mainly referring to the sis/bro vibe that Jazel suggested exists between Chloe and Clark.

Nonetheless, Chloe really didn't have to say that (in the way that she did) in the first place. Like someone on this thread already surmised (I'm sorry but I forget who) the scene could have stood on its own without the declaration but for some reason the writers (inconsistent as they can be at times) felt this sentiment needed to be conveyed. Again. I mean who isn't already convinced that Chloe loves Clark? Whether he's in love with her is a separate matter all together but to hammer this point again and again is telling.

[Lazy Boy]

They could have easily change the line to something like "We love your son" or "I care about your son" and then yes oblivious it would be considered as platonic without any questions. But the way it was delivered in the scene, it would be clear to most Smallville fans, it would be a reaffirmation of Chloe's romantic feeling for Clark.
Anyway that's old news as we always known that Chloe had Clark pretty high on her list but I just wanted to add my 2 pence/cents to the thread as I'm a sucker for these little moments.
Anyhoo - enough of that so what about Patricia Swann, fellas, is she fine or what? Wrong thread for this? Well I better find the right thread to discuss her hotness....

[shy175223]

Shy not to make it look like I am coming after you but...

But they never left, there was never any resolution made to resolve this situation, this thread was woven into the smallville tapestry all the way back in season 1 and it has yet to be wound up. It is one of the key elements of the show, one of it pillars and I think it yet has to run its course by a long shot.

The issue of her being in love with Clark and loving Clark I think is all a matter of perspective many people will site examples of Chloe love changing while others will bring forward counter points to them. For me the most telling marker was in the episode crimson.

Once Clark was infected by the red K his normal barriers went away and he did and said whatever pleased him however it pleased him. When he admitted to Chloe that he has pondered a relationship with her just look at her reaction it was like all the defences she constructed on this issue where blown away instance (this scene was a testament to AM's exceptional acting ability, she is Chloe Sullivan) you could almost see her shaking for a moment.

Although I am male, sometimes even my dull senses are able to pick up nuanced reactions in the opposite sex. Chloe's was fundamentally shaken to her core .

Chloe is often forced to justify to Lana and Jimmy that she has no feelings for Clark and that she is not holding on. If the characters in the smallville universe sense it why can't we, and this is a recurring theme on the show.

The story of Chloe Sullivan's relationship with Clark Kent can be summed up in one simple but elegant statement.

"There are two types of women in the world, the ones you grow out of and the ones you grow into"

And STILL Clark has a lot of growing up to do.

PS. For me if they do decide to go down this route the Chlark will be considered one of the longest and greatest TV ships of all time and will linger in the minds of many well after Smallville is long and forgotten.


I understand Yo BJ and I do respect, but I do remember in an intereview from Almiles saying that Chloe knows that there is NO chance for her Clark to get together and that she is tired of waiting for that to happen, when I saw that scene I all saw was a deep, friendship. And I think that yes, she is does love Clark but but like i said she not IN love with him. And I doubt that they are going doing that route once more because it has already be done...and iMO it has been resolved...

[Yasise]

I understand Yo BJ and I do respect, but I do remember in an intereview from Almiles saying that Chloe knows that there is NO chance for her Clark to get together and that she is tired of waiting for that to happen, when I saw that scene I all saw was a deep, friendship. And I think that yes, she is does love Clark but but like i said she not IN love with him. And I doubt that they are going doing that route once more because it has already be done...and iMO it has been resolved...

Yes, I agree totally, but probably Chloe is still IN love with Clark a little bit, but Clark isn't. He loves her as a friend, and that's it and I don't think, that's ever going to change.

I also think, that the producers won't let them go in a love relationship kind of way - Clark isn't over Lana yet, he still loves her, after all that has happened and that is, IMO, surprising enough.

I feel sorry for Chloe and all the Chlarkers out there, who want this love story so badly - I really do - but I don't see any chance of Clark and her being more than "just" friends.

But again, that's Smallville and you can never be sure of what's going happen next, can you?

[jimmyolsenblues]

Is anyone as amazed as I am that this thread has over 19,000 views easy on its way to 20k views.
This was a very good episode, Great acting from Lionel, murder, secrets, Virgil Swan's daughter bringing up great superman mythology.

Don't get me wrong, I love chloe she is a great character, but i never expected this one comment that we already knew she loved clark to get this kind of posting?

Trust me , I am not complaining, I am happy people are talking about chloe's words, but is anyone else surprised it dominates all other topics on this show?

[aqgalaxy]

Is anyone as amazed as I am that this thread has over 19,000 views easy on its way to 20k views.
This was a very good episode, Great acting from Lionel, murder, secrets, Virgil Swan's daughter bringing up great superman mythology.

Don't get me wrong, I love chloe she is a great character, but i never expected this one comment that we already knew she loved clark to get this kind of posting?

Trust me , I am not complaining, I am happy people are talking about chloe's words, but is anyone else surprised it dominates all other topics on this show?

Nope, that's the power of Chlark ;)

But to be fair, only 134 people actually posted in this thread.

[Blichew]

but I don't see any chance of Clark and her being more than "just" friends.


Well, it's not "just" friendship (even with quotas;) ). I mean this is how it goes even in real life: there are things that you cannot say to your fiance/spouse etc. and you can easily say to your best friend.

I think the whole relationship is much better than love, it's simply above that :)
I'm just afraid that TPTB (with all respect to them) wouldn't be able to show Chloe&Clark together as they should be shown (and how we expect them to show this). They're [TPTB] afraid to change their relationship not because of the mythos/future Clois hook-up and so on, they're just afraid they'll just kill off the whole 'magic' between them when they start messing up with this couple:)

[go_clo]

Nope, that's the power of Chlark ;)
Amen to that lol! :D

[do3mire]

Is anyone as amazed as I am that this thread has over 19,000 views easy on its way to 20k views.
This was a very good episode, Great acting from Lionel, murder, secrets, Virgil Swan's daughter bringing up great superman mythology.

Don't get me wrong, I love chloe she is a great character, but i never expected this one comment that we already knew she loved clark to get this kind of posting?

Trust me , I am not complaining, I am happy people are talking about chloe's words, but is anyone else surprised it dominates all other topics on this show?


Nope, that's the power of Chlark ;)

But to be fair, only 134 people actually posted in this thread.

Now, all we need is for AlMiles to learn about this one thread, to acknowledge the Chlark phenom they've created and give us the payoff we've been waiting for. Hehe! :)

[Dustmite]

Nope, that's the power of Chlark ;)

Indeed!!

[lillie_poo_pod]

I am happy people are talking about chloe's words, but is anyone else surprised it dominates all other topics on this show?Nope, because anything that's big and has to deal with Chlark is always filled with

1. Chlark shippers being estactic about it

2. People coming in the thread to downplay it. And it becomes a back and forth between posters.

And I think 2 is half of the posts.


Nope, that's the power of Chlark ;)

WORD. =D

[RedKRules]

Nope, that's the power of Chlark ;)



Couldn´t agree more!! :lol:

[isagill chlark fan]

me too

[Yasise]

Well, it's not "just" friendship (even with quotas;) ). I mean this is how it goes even in real life: there are things that you cannot say to your fiance/spouse etc. and you can easily say to your best friend.

I think the whole relationship is much better than love, it's simply above that :)
I'm just afraid that TPTB (with all respect to them) wouldn't be able to show Chloe&Clark together as they should be shown (and how we expect them to show this). They're [TPTB] afraid to change their relationship not because of the mythos/future Clois hook-up and so on, they're just afraid they'll just kill off the whole 'magic' between them when they start messing up with this couple:)

I hope, you didn't get me wrong. When I wrote "just", I didn't want to diminish this friendship. I wanted to make clear, that IMO, this friendship is actually more than, well, "just" an ordinary friendship, but still a friendship and not a love relationship. And again I've to say, that I don't believe in a change of status between them till the end of Smallville - sorry.

But I tell you, that I would die to have such a good friend as Clark is for Chloe and viceversa.

[GuardianAngel]

They could have easily change the line to something like "We love your son" or "I care about your son" and then yes oblivious it would be considered as platonic without any questions. But the way it was delivered in the scene, it would be clear to most Smallville fans, it would be a reaffirmation of Chloe's romantic feeling for Clark.


This is exactly what ruined this episode, as far as I'm concerned.

The writers should have kept Lana and have Chloe and Lana say "We care about your son" or "We love our son". Instead they opted for having Lana disappear without any explanation and Chloe come out with that phrase. Wrong choice! (again!)

[Blichew]

But I tell you, that I would die to have such a good friend as Clark is for Chloe and viceversa.

True, true, I'll risk a statement that is a best true friendship shown in action/drama tv series ever (well, i'm not a tv series maniac or smth, so I haven't seen many of them but stil...) :)

[Hopefulsuicide]

with the amount of people that love chlark, its obvious the writers missed something big by never really doing it... i mean they do little bits and bobs, but only enough to tease and drive people crazy... then again maybe thats the point

but, like in Lois and Clark, usually when they do that, they will get together in the end

[Yasise]

This is exactly what ruined this episode, as far as I'm concerned.

The writers should have kept Lana and have Chloe and Lana say "We care about your son" or "We love our son". Instead they opted for having Lana disappear without any explanation and Chloe come out with that phrase. Wrong choice! (again!)

Maybe they wanted to test the reaction of all the "Chlarkers" out there ;) And well, if that was their purpose, then they obviously got a reaction :D


True, true, I'll risk a statement that is a best true friendship shown in action/drama tv series ever (well, i'm not a tv series maniac or smth, so I haven't seen many of them but stil...) :)

Yeah *sigh*

[Khyla]

I think tptb realized that Clark and Chloe had some interesting chemistry on screen, something we (or those who chose to see it) picked up on and that to them meant sustainable viewership because we'd be invested in a relationship between said characters and would return to watch their interaction.

yup! :)

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The story of Chloe Sullivan's relationship with Clark Kent can be summed up in one simple but elegant statement.

"There are two types of women in the world, the ones you grow out of and the ones you grow into"

And STILL Clark has a lot of growing up to do.

PS. For me if they do decide to go down this route the Chlark will be considered one of the longest and greatest TV ships of all time and will linger in the minds of many well after Smallville is long and forgotten.

I LOVE YOU! :)

reading this gave me goosebumps! :)

[AndiGirl]

Wow guys! 41 pages!! Go Chlarkie love! haha. :)
I resepect that so many think the scene was just friendship...but the bottom line, and reason I believe it could be more...is the writers. Have we ever known the writers to do something without a hidden agenda? No. So why did Chloe deliver the message....why did she say "I love your son" why not.. "I love your son, he's my best friend." There are so many ways that could have went...and we wouldn't be having this debate right now. Truth of the matter is....we all know it meant something, we just can't seem to agree on what. I guess we'll have to wait and see...but my little chlarkie heart thinks its a good sign.

[luvinChlark]

PS. For me if they do decide to go down this route the Chlark will be considered one of the longest and greatest TV ships of all time and will linger in the minds of many well after Smallville is long and forgotten.

This statement is just beautiful! :) You speak the truth! ;)

Also commenting on "I love your son". I defiantly didn't get a bro/sis vibe from that sentiment. But maybe thats because I'm a chlarker. ;) It was full of honest passion.
You can't really compare Chloe to your life. Chloe isn't the type of person who goes around saying she loves you. Even to Jimmy, her boyfriend, we have never seen her say that she loves him. So in my opinion when she says it about Clark it isn't just about friendship love...."it goes way beyond friendship." :D

[Ayanne]

"Well, it seems to me that the best relationships-- the ones that last-- are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is... suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with." ~ Dana Scully

:D:D Waiting on Clark to complete this realization about Chloe, & he's past the "just friends" stage ~ by saying " I don't know what I would do without you"

[Blichew]

Wow guys! 41 pages!! Go Chlarkie love! haha. :)
I resepect that so many think the scene was just friendship...but the bottom line, and reason I believe it could be more...is the writers. Have we ever known the writers to do something without a hidden agenda? No. So why did Chloe deliver the message....why did she say "I love your son" why not.. "I love your son, he's my best friend." There are so many ways that could have went...and we wouldn't be having this debate right now. Truth of the matter is....we all know it meant something, we just can't seem to agree on what. I guess we'll have to wait and see...but my little chlarkie heart thinks its a good sign.

Do you remember the spoilers for "Traveler" ? It was something like the fact that Chloe gives Jor-El REALLY good reason, the one he cannot ignore, to help Clark (or smth like that). To be honest i was afraid that would be something that will at least put Chloe in danger in exchange for Clark's safety (and may lead to a death in "Descent"). Oh god, I've never been so glad that I've been thinking in a wrong direction as I am after watching "Traveler" :lol:

All i want now is a reference to the event that took place in FoS, and if they're gonna show it i'm gonna write them thankful letter :rotfl:



"Well, it seems to me that the best relationships-- the ones that last-- are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is... suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with." ~ Dana Scully


There is one difference there (apart from that Fox Mulder wasn't supposed to be smth more than (great) FBI Agent ;) ): we all knew that they will finally end up together, as there weren't any other 'ladies' around agent Fox. (I loved that after all this years of working together Scully talked to Mulder per "Agent Mulder" sometimes:) )

[shy175223]

"Well, it seems to me that the best relationships-- the ones that last-- are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is... suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with." ~ Dana Scully

Well, that statement can also be said about Lois and Clark rather than Clark and Chloe ~oops did I say that:eek:


:D:D Waiting on Clark to complete this realization about Chloe, & he's past the "just friends" stage ~ by saying " I don't know what I would do without you"

He already DID say about a year ago...:rolleyes:

[kraami]

Just to say it again, Those words were for jor-el. It was an honest plea for his help and the "one" reason he would help. I, too, am waiting for Clark to at least acknowledge those feelings even if he doesn't have them for her. He will look like an idiot if he doesn't at least figure it out.

But I have a feeling he will discover that he has had deep feelings for her all along and when lana is out of the picture or the blinders he put up will allow him to see the truth. Although I do not believe that the chlark will last long but it will be the biggest and final lesson he has to learn before coming superman. if superman wasn't here out of love, for love, and because of love then why? What the hell he is actually defending?

people should'nt hate chlark ....... It is prolly the true key to everything. Man i cant wait.
Great Line ... it actually captured the whole episode.

[shy175223]

don't get your hopes up into one scene...and yes I am fully aware that that plea was for Jor-el and I will say this again it was sweet but it definitely was NOT a forshadowing of any romance for Clark and Chloe....

[Lostfan588]

There is one difference there (apart from that Fox Mulder wasn't supposed to be smth more than (great) FBI Agent ;) ): we all knew that they will finally end up together, as there weren't any other 'ladies' around agent Fox. (I loved that after all this years of working together Scully talked to Mulder per "Agent Mulder" sometimes:) )

OMG...I don't mind what your position is..but X-Files ROCKS and can't wait for the new movie! LOL

Anyway...I do see what you are saying however Clark and Chloe still remind me of Mulder and Scully alot in some ways, just because of how many episodes they have been teamed up in throughout the entire series. That and they have been given alot of those akward situations and if an official Chlark relationship does come to fruition, like Mulder/Scully's it would have been a series long arc that didn't give immediate satisfaction to those viewers who are screaming "hook up already!" :lol:

That said, I don't know for sure what Chloe intended when she screamed I love your son...but what I do know is that of all the character the writers could have chosen, they wanted Chloe to give this speech above Clark's own girlfriend, of all the things she could have said like "he is important to all of us", they chose instead to have her say she loves him. Of all the characters to say it the speech in front of, they chose Clark's father.

I know that if I went up to my just-guy-friends father and told him "I love your son" he'd probably ask if he proposed yet, and if my guy friend went up to my dad and said "I love your daughter"- same thing :lol:.

So, you guys can think what you like, but imo this scene is one of many that have been foreshadwing Chlark.

[Khyla]

... if superman wasn't here out of love, for love, and because of love then why? What the hell he is actually defending?

people should'nt hate chlark ....... It is prolly the true key to everything. Man i cant wait.
....

i LOVE this statement! :)
just beautiful!

[shy175223]

So, you guys can think what you like, but imo this scene is one of many that have been foreshadwing Chlark.
Than prepare yourself for a real letdown....

[Lostfan588]

Than prepare yourself for a real letdown....

If you mean, let down the hair and throw a Chlark party, then yeah. :lol:

[shy175223]

nope I mean a REAL bad letdown...:rolleyes:

[aqgalaxy]

nope I mean a REAL bad letdown...:rolleyes:

If we can survive the Vessel kiss we can survive this, and I'll make sure if we're right, you're the first to know about it.

[Serynarpc]

Teared up like a little girl.

That also answered why Chloe didn't bring lana along- its hard to honestly bare your feelings for one of your best friends with his girlfriend- and your other BFF- right there.

Chloe's life is complicated.

I still teared up. That line made this episode.

[shy175223]

I doubt it. Like i said do not get your hopes up on one scene....I'm pretty sure some of us are going to be right...

[Lostfan588]

I doubt it. Like i said do not get your hopes up on one scene....I'm pretty sure some of us are going to be right...

ONE scene? Hopes up? Well of course not....I've been a Chlarker long before this one scene. :lol: We've been getting loads of great scenes all series long. I don't base my theory off of one single line. It's just one of many, Jeez. :p

[harryandginnyfanatic]

No, it won't happen. If it did, this show would be even more about Clark's turbulent love life, not about him becoming Superman.

I'd like to think that the show is more about the latter.

[Lostfan588]

If we can survive the Vessel kiss we can survive this, and I'll make sure if we're right, you're the first to know about it.

:lol: Yes, we can endure alot. As has Chloe and Clark's awesome relationship in the series, which is the biggest reason why I root for them.

[Khyla]

Wow guys! 41 pages!! Go Chlarkie love! haha. :)
I resepect that so many think the scene was just friendship... Truth of the matter is....we all know it meant something, we just can't seem to agree on what. I guess we'll have to wait and see...but my little chlarkie heart thinks its a good sign.

i think Chloe's vocal plea truly put to rest Lara's fears "What if they don't love him?" --Perhaps there is a little bit of Lara impressed into the Jor-El AI.

Chloe's words were spoken with all her heart and with all her soul!

The Chlark bond goes both ways, and it's beyond what one would refer to as friendship, beyond the kind of love one has for a brother or sister, beyond the kind of love one has for a boyfriend or girlfriend. It is PURE LOVE! it is honest love.

It is passionate love, as seen in their protectiveness of each other. It is mature love, as seen in their vows of responsibility to stay alive for one another ---it's the kind of love that should lead to ultimate fulfillment and intimacy on every level.

Where's that damn bracelet "for the TRUE ONE in your life, Clark" ?

[shy175223]

ONE scene? Hopes up? Well of course not....I've been a Chlarker long before this one scene. :lol: We've been getting loads of great scenes all series long. I don't base my theory off of one single line. It's just one of many, Jeez. :p

well, I than I guess you shouldn't feel let down when this 'forshadowing' does not happen. At least you have those Chlark moments for prosperity..

[Hopefulsuicide]

her words showed how well she has gotten to know Clark since she found out the truth

it really felt like she understoof Jor-el, maybe even better than Clark does. she recognised him as someone who has his sons best interests at heart and reasoned with love, not threats or logic

was truly wonderful

[shy175223]

Well of coarse she does, she's IS Clark's best friend.

[do3mire]

The writers should have kept Lana and have Chloe and Lana say "We care about your son" or "We love our son". Instead they opted for having Lana disappear without any explanation and Chloe come out with that phrase. Wrong choice! (again!)

I wonder why they chose to have Chloe say that line. Why not Lana? Why not Lana and Chloe? Maybe they are trying to tell us something. Maybe this is the way they want to tell their story.

[Lostfan588]

well, I than I guess you shouldn't feel let down when this 'forshadowing' does not happen. At least you have those Chlark moments for prosperity..


But the "foreshadowing" has already happened. I just said that! :lol:

IMO the Chlark moments only seem to be getting better and more powerful this season.

It isn't just this one "I love your son" line at all. This season alone we've had:

Chlark crying on each others shoulders in Bizarro.
Clark going bizerk refusing to believe Chloe was dead
That beautiful scene of Chlark standing beneath an eclipse together in "Blue"
Chloe touching Clark's cheek in the DP in "Blue"
The Chloe ISIS speech in Wrath about the goddess of healing who would go the the ends of the earth for the man she loved, and the other version who would kill and had the power to bring the sun god to his knees, and that Chloe's not going to let that happen.
Clark setting up an interview for Chloe with her fav actress in "Action", which was adorable.
Clark's adorable "But you'll forget me!" in Cure, and fighting Dean Cain to save Chloe's heart
Chloe telling Clark to let her go, and Lana telling Chloe to let Clark go
Chloe knowing Clark better than anyone else in "Persona"
Clark blowing up at Oliver in "Siren" and telling Chloe no one can take her place
The powerful scene of Chloe dying to save Lex and Clark in Fracture, and Clark waiting at her bedside for her heart to beat for HOURS.
Clark asking Chloe does this mean she'll never use her power again, Chloe saying shes more confused than ever but the one thing she knows is her and Clark both have a responsibility to live. (the paralleling of the powers between them is so cool)
Lex's whole Chloe is still 'infatuated' with Clark thing to Pete in Hero and Jimmy's 'so you left Pete for Clark' thing :lol:.
And Chloe going to the fortress for the third time in the series, being the one to give the speech to JorEl about why the world needs superman and yes, this 'I love your son' line too.

So, I don't know why I should ever be disappointed- I've enjoyed watching every moment of Chlarks relationship on this show, and always will.

[BizzaroJerry]

Guys I just realised something,

Some people have been commenting that Chloe's admission of love for Clark may have been only plutonic, personally I have several close friends that I would describe as holding a feeling of love for them myself, to some of these people I have even admitted my feelings for them because they would understand the kind of love I am talking about, the context of it.

BUT

What I would not do is try and emphasise my feelings for these people to parities that may not understand the nuances of my relationship with these people. For example I would not walk up to a stranger and say to them that I love this person / friend because they may take it the wrong way and misinterpret what I was talking about UNLESS I wanted convey the message that I loved this person in the way that the person I was telling would automatically think I was talking about.

If I was to say to someone outside my relationship with a particular person I love this person they would naturally think that I LOVE THIS PERSON with all the trapping that are associated with the concept of love.

To sight another example, if I was to stand in front of a group of strangers and say to them "I love this male person" (but withholding from them the context (best friend) of my relationship with him) there would be a large proportion of them that would automatically think I was a homosexual / bisexual even though I am heterosexual.

Think of it was admitting to the parents of your best friend that you love their child, unless they really fundamentally understand the context of your relationship with their offspring what do you think there reaction would be?

Now we fast forward to Chloe's plea to Jor-El, notice how he does not react to plea about clark being in trouble UNTIL the admission of love that she has for him, UNLESS he does have magical krypton powers that can read people hearts he would have made the assessment from the evidence he had on had that Clark and Chloe in fact do love each other, Clark has not given Jor-El evidence to the contrary. Although someone check the episode when Johnthan dies he may have said something there about his feelings for Lana, but those are besides the point in the context of Chloe's admission of love she has for her son because what's important is that SHE loves Clark and telling Jor-El this.

To put things in perspective put yourself in Jor-El's position, you have his stranger walk into your house with the punished child of your brother and tell you your super powered son is in danger which is unlikely (barring Jor-El's powers to keep track of his son by remote) she then has the audacity to advise you on the best course of action which is contrary to the punishment that was previously metered out on Kara (the wiping of the memory and stripping of powers). She then tried to put a guilt trip on you by telling you about trust and last by not least she admits to the to you that she LOVES your son, how would a parent take that!

That is whole issue, what would Jor-El think from that statement and how would people outside of the Clark and Chloe relationship would react to that statement. Finally notice how TPTB conveniently make Kara FORGET the admission of love that Chloe just expressed before her, one must ask themselves why did they do this?

Chloe, why are we in the fortress?

[aqgalaxy]

^ Exactly. Why Why Why that's the question. If it's only platonic then would just the fact she's there means that the Love word isn't needed.

[Lostfan588]

with the amount of people that love chlark, its obvious the writers missed something big by never really doing it... i mean they do little bits and bobs, but only enough to tease and drive people crazy... then again maybe thats the point

but, like in Lois and Clark, usually when they do that, they will get together in the end

Yeah, that's another reason why I love Chlark. Not just because of the awesome scenes they've been given over the series, but also because the ptb seriously love to torture us with the idea of it. They say 'Oh but it might ruin their friendship!' and yet time and again they never stop with the Chlark teasing and setup onscreen- especially this season. They had their chance last season to move on from the idea of romantic Chlark...but instead they had Jimmy be insecure over Chloe's and Clark's feelings for each other all season, then had Clark jealous in the early half and Crimson (before return of Clana) then this season they had the chance again but like I listed in my earlier post their have been so many wonderful Clark/Chloe moments this season compared to the others and the past 2 episodes they've gone back to the whole "Things never change" and Chloe is still "infatuated" with Clark Kent sort of thing.

Chlark teasing is a little like Chloe's power, tptb can fake out Chlark happening time and time again, but it never dies. :lol: For me at least, it's alot like the Ron/Hermione teasing in Harry Potter- not getting together till the end of the series, and Mulder/Skully in the X-Files where it gets teased alot during the series but they only torture fans to keep them in suspense and won't give them any satisfaction unless they know it's the last season. So, that said, if we weren't being teased/tortured and thrown bones about Chlark alot, then I would have reason to be doubtful. So I'm not.

[MeKa]

Yeah, that's another reason why I love Chlark. Not just because of the awesome scenes they've been given over the series, but also because the ptb seriously love to torture us with the idea of it. They say 'Oh but it might ruin their friendship!' and yet time and again they never stop with the Chlark teasing and setup onscreen- especially this season. They had their chance last season to move on from the idea of romantic Chlark...but instead they had Jimmy be insecure over Chloe's and Clark's feelings for each other all season, then had Clark jealous in the early half and Crimson (before return of Clana) then this season they had the chance again but like I listed in my earlier post their have been so many wonderful Clark/Chloe moments this season compared to the others and the past 2 episodes they've gone back to the whole "Things never change" and Chloe is still "infatuated" with Clark Kent sort of thing.

Chlark teasing is a little like Chloe's power, tptb can fake out Chlark happening time and time again, but it never dies. :lol: For me at least, it's alot like the Ron/Hermione teasing in Harry Potter- not getting together till the end of the series, and Mulder/Skully in the X-Files where it gets teased alot during the series but they only torture fans to keep them in suspense and won't give them any satisfaction unless they know it's the last season. So, that said, if we weren't being teased/tortured and thrown bones about Chlark alot, then I would have reason to be doubtful. So I'm not.

Yes. Yes. Yes. They'll tease us for a long while now. So stay on the look out for these juicy tidbits. So worth the wait. :)

And Lostfan588, awesome list up top of Chlark moments. Was thinking of those and you posted. Awesome.

[GuardianAngel]

I'd like to think that the show is more about the latter.

Me too, but looking at how things are being played I wouldn't be surprised if they renamed it "Days of our Clark".

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Me too, but looking at how things are being played I wouldn' be surprised if they renamed it "Days of our Clark".


Is more like "Days of our Lana" ;)

[Clarkgirl8]

if superman wasn't here out of love, for love, and because of love then why? What the hell he is actually defending?

people should'nt hate chlark ....... It is prolly the true key to everything. Man i cant wait.
Great Line ... it actually captured the whole episode.
Aww i loved this post....

Yeah it was a great line :)

[WickedJenn]

Is more like "Days of our Lana" ;)


:rotfl:

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

I never knew about the tree in season2!!!! OMW! I love it. I have never been a subscriber to the Chlois theory, but I am starting to wonder. I would love to see Clark and Chloe together as much as anyone, but I initially voted that it was a platonic cry from a true blue friend. I think that their friendship is just as beautiful as any romantic relationship could be. At least romance done SV style. Look what they have done with Clana. I would hope that Clark and Chloe's relationship would never be tainted like that.

----- Added 13 Minutes later -----



The Chloe ISIS speech in Wrath about the goddess of healing who would go the the ends of the earth for the man she loved, and the other version who would kill and had the power to bring the sun god to his knees, and that Chloe's not going to let that happen.


:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Whaa! How do I never pick up on these things?! And I call myself a SV Fanatic!

[WickedJenn]

What I am wondering is if that scene in the Fortress will be touched upon in upcoming episodes in any way. Would Kara remember her saying that? She only said Chloe (and Lana) helped her...

[Sweetie]

Would you Chlark's fans be desespointed if they have a romance,it doesn't work out,they break up.Don't you think after that their friendship and sidekick bound wouldn't be effected?

[sherban1988]

She meant it for real. She STILL has feelings for him ~slaps forehead~, and even though I like Chloe, i so feel like slapping her silly. Clark doesn't (and will never) feel the same way. MOVE ON WOMAN!!

[AChloeChick]

In order for me to fully analyze this particular scene, I have had to examine the way the grammar was used (specifically, how it was written).

First, we start in a plural, no-personal form of ours, us, and we. Then, we go to a singular, personal form of me and I. Finally, we are back to the plural, non-personal form of our.

Now, let’s break it down: Out of all the planets in this universe, you chose ours (plural, non-personal). You trusted us (plural, non-personal) to protect him. We (plural, non-personal) need your help. You have to trust me (singular, personal)! I (singular, personal) love your son. Clark’s in trouble and he needs our (plural, non-personal) help!

Within the context of this paragraph, when Chloe projects, "You have got to trust me. I love your son," she has gone from a general non-personal, non-inclusive stance to a very inclusive, and extremely personal stance.

Therefore, within the context of this passage; this particular part has become solely personal and down-right intimate. Even with Kara standing right there and Lana left behind (wherever she was), Chloe does not include them in this specific part of her argument: It has become a personal matter, a matter of her heart.

[chlo-el]

She meant it for real. She STILL has feelings for him ~slaps forehead~, and even though I like Chloe, i so feel like slapping her silly. Clark doesn't (and will never) feel the same way. MOVE ON WOMAN!!

If she moved on in the way you think Clark would still be locked up and Kara wouldn't have her memory back. And she has move on in the way that counts. She's not pining she has used her love for Clark as strength instead of a weakness(which that's how it used to be when she was pining.)

I don't think she is ever expecting Clark to proclaim is undying love for her but she will always be there for him and her love can and has helped him.

[luvinChlark]

well, I than I guess you shouldn't feel let down when this 'forshadowing' does not happen.


Why do you keep saying this? Do you think if you say that enough times, it'll turn out your way? :rolleyes: Its actually pretty annoying... :o

[miks]

Why do you keep saying this? Do you think if you say that enough times, it'll turn out your way? :rolleyes: Its actually pretty annoying... :o

haha!!:rotfl:

you're great! :D

[Ladyalchemy]

Oy so much reading. Some amazing posts here of pros and cons. Special shout out to one of BizzaroJerry 's post. I am not worthy. :)
I myself voted unsure. The conviction in her voice doesn't say LOVE it says love like I love my best friend. I think Chloe is still partially in love with Clark. I still semi love the first guy I fell for and when love is true it just happens to be like that. That doesn't mean he and I could make it work. Just as Chloe can't make it work with Clark (especially because Clark hasn't felt that way about her). Would I like to see Chlark be set for life as 'soul-mates'? beyond a doubt. As a person to be by your side through thick and thin or in Clarks case thin and thinner Chloe would be the best girl for the job. The ideal person to fall in love with is someone who puts you first, who grows out of childish ways, who grows up with you, learns from mistakes they made, and deals with the decisions you make even if they don't agree with them. I didn't use to like Ms. Sullivan. But now I see her as all of those things. More so than any other girl they have introduced to Smallville. JMHO But I saw no foreshadowing of anything from her death to any Chlark relationship maybe I need to watch that clip again.

[Chlois_Chlark]

I thought that it took a lot for Chloe to open herself up not only to Kara but to Jor-el who we've seen as a pretty cold being took a lot a guts! No matter what it was meant as an I love u in a platonic or not kinda way it still shows the bond that Chloe and Clark have. That Jor-el trusted Chloe made me hecka happy because it shows that he must think of her in a different way than othrs becuse he truly did trust her to help keep his only son safe and that just blew me away!!:D

[go_clo]

In order for me to fully analyze this particular scene, I have had to examine the way the grammar was used (specifically, how it was written).

First, we start in a plural, no-personal form of ours, us, and we. Then, we go to a singular, personal form of me and I. Finally, we are back to the plural, non-personal form of our.

Now, let’s break it down: Out of all the planets in this universe, you chose ours (plural, non-personal). You trusted us (plural, non-personal) to protect him. We (plural, non-personal) need your help. You have to trust me (singular, personal)! I (singular, personal) love your son. Clark’s in trouble and he needs our (plural, non-personal) help!

Within the context of this paragraph, when Chloe projects, "You have got to trust me. I love your son," she has gone from a general non-personal, non-inclusive stance to a very inclusive, and extremely personal stance.

Therefore, within the context of this passage; this particular part has become solely personal and down-right intimate. Even with Kara standing right there and Lana left behind (wherever she was), Chloe does not include them in this specific part of her argument: It has become a personal matter, a matter of her heart.
Thats a very interest breakdown of her sentence! It does really point to something personal! She starts out in a general tone and then puts her own feeling into it! That IMHM points to a non-plutonic line! If she ment it as a best friend, she would have kept her sentence general based and would have said "We love him"!

[aqgalaxy]

The conviction in her voice doesn't say LOVE it says love like I love my best friend.

Actually her voice is determination. Chloe was very strong in that scene. Usually a woman would begin shedding a tear, and scream it making her love plea for desperation. But here Chloe held her strength. so she meant it more then "love my best friend" for she would have just said, "Clark is my best friend" Chloe doesn't toss the L word out she only told Jimmy she "liked" him. So...

[Clarkgirl8]

I thought that it took a lot for Chloe to open herself up not only to Kara but to Jor-el who we've seen as a pretty cold being took a lot a guts! No matter what it was meant as an I love u in a platonic or not kinda way it still shows the bond that Chloe and Clark have. That Jor-el trusted Chloe made me hecka happy because it shows that he must think of her in a different way than othrs becuse he truly did trust her to help keep his only son safe and that just blew me away!!:D
Agree 100%... your Lois avi is cool!! :)
Geee all this new amazing people with awesome avis...

[Ranger]

Although I have always been hoping for Chlark since Season 1. Given the past tendencies of TPTB I don't expect this to come up again. I think it was just the writers throwing us Chlarkers a bone, to inspire us to keep watching and hoping. I think Chloe was saying that she loved Clark as more then a friend but I don't think we are going to see an fruition from it, just confirming what we already knew and making us (Chlarkers) curse Lana and Jimmy.

I do hope that Kara regains some of her memories, I would like to see a Kara/Chloe moment about Chloe's feelings for Clark. Not to mention a Chloe/Kara episode would just rock, I was kinda hoping Traveler would be more Chloe/Kara team then it was but I will not give up hope yet, on Chloe/Kara episode or Chlark.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Wait and watch, nothing will come of this. Chloe deserves better anyway.

[RobynAdele0406]

Clark and Chloe don't have the type of friendship where you casually say "okay, see you tomorrow, love ya!". None of the people on Smallville do, because this is a television show. Every "I Love You" usually counts for something BIG. It's rarely thrown out there in dialogue, unless it's meant to mean something.

[LexLuv180]

I dont think anything will come of this, she just was expressing she loved Clark. I find it surprising that part of the episode is what triggered the most threads/discussions.

[Lostfan588]

I think regardless of whether anything will come of this scene immediately, it's still one of the most powerful monologues from a character in the entire series.

[miks]

Do you really find that interesting? There are sooo many Chlarkers out there who would like nothing better than to sit and bask in the great Chlarkiness (I know I would!), and then there are soo many anti-Chlarkers, pro-Cloisers out there who want to yank us down from cloud nine, and then there are people who just don't care, and want to see what all the fuss is about.

[All about Clark]

I think regardless of whether anything will come of this scene immediately, it's still one of the most powerful monologues from a character in the entire series.

I don't agree. I think it's just that you want Chlark. I like Chlark, but have accepted that it won't happen, so I thought it lovely, but not super powerful.

[WickedJenn]

IMO, Chlark or no Chlark...the scene was pretty powerful, not only the speech itself, but that it was said to Jor-El of all people.

[Ayanne]

The scene IS powerful & iconic.

Chloe risking her life to face Jor-El in the FOS, & the dialogue consists of her saying : "I love your son"

The context is by no means "casual" or platonic, this is about Chloe's motivations coming from deep in her heart, out of pure love.

[Clarkgirl8]

The scene IS powerful & iconic.

Chloe risking her life to face Jor-El in the FOS, & the dialogue consists of her saying : "I love your son"
And actually Jor-El listening and restoring Kara's memory is BIIIG

[WickedJenn]

And actually Jor-El listening and restoring Kara's memory is BIIIG

Exactly, because we know how he is a bit condescending to humans in SV...

[Clarkgirl8]

Exactly, because we know how he is a bit condescending to humans in SV...
Also considering how he almost turned Chloe into a popsicle the first time she was there... so yeah at least IMO it was huge

[CloisLaneKent]

Well maybe after Lois being there in Zod, he now knows that Chloe's family ties are with Clark's soulmate, ergo he listened to her ;)

Don't worry I was just being playful so don't jump down my back.

[WickedJenn]

Also considering how he almost turned Chloe into a popsicle the first time she was there... so yeah at least IMO it was huge

Exactly.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I think it was very sweet of Chloe to say, and that probably was the only point, because I can't imagine the point in relation to Jor-el. Jonathan and Martha Kent both loved their son too, and he didn't give a crap then, he certainly wouldn't be swayed by that now simply because it is Chloe saying it, and it was weird how he said nothing. Usually the old bag of hot air says 'something' even if it is derogatory. Perhaps in saying nothing he was insulting the lesser 'human' that had come to the fortress as not being worthy of a response? Clark wasn't there this time, so he didn't need to freeze Chloe to keep her from interfering. I'm guessing he doesn't care nearly as much if Chloe effects Kara in some way. I don't know, that sounds closer to the behavior of the overbearing, mean spirited, single minded 'AI' of Jor-el, or spirit if someone prefers that.

Then again he did restore Kara's memory, but I think that was because he doesn't want his son dead. Punished for not listening in ways that are harsh to everyone but Jor-el? Certainly, but not dead. So far though we haven't seen that he gives a flying fig about human emotions, which makes the long ago episode of 'Relic' even more forgettable a point since we haven't seen an emotionally available Jor-el (or heard him rather) since then.

So in that way, if Chloe was trying to reach what heart there is to Jor-el it would have made more sense to ask Jor-el if 'he' loved his son, not to point out what is already obvious to most of the audience. It was curious that Lana just disappeared, especially since words like those spoken by Chloe would have had a more romantic tinge coming from Clark's girlfriend, but certainly I can see why others would see Chloe's commentary as equally romantic, and in some fans eyes even more so then had it been Lana. I don't agree with that, but I can see where others might. Still Lana's absence makes it look like she was purposely left out so Chloe could say that line, but I doubt Kara noticed or will remember she said it, or perhaps think it was a platonic statement, and since neither Clark or Lana were around there is no reaction from that either. Jor-el I'm still pretty sure doesn't give a crap about that, so it seems to have been said simply for the benefit or lack there of for the audience.

So all in all. I already knew Chloe loved Clark, to what extent I'm not sure, I know what I think is true, but it doesn't make it so. No real gasp of shock from me on that one and I took it in stride as I do most lines since there was no follow up . . . at least not yet. It was a sweet line, but I think the Mt. Everest line was sweeter and Lana was actually present to hear that one though she didn't seem to have a reaction.

Sweet yes, powerful? BSG this isn't, so that would be a no.
Iconic? For me, since an icon is entirely a persons preference, no it was not. Ten years later I won't still be talking about this scene. Aragorn standing before the Black Gates and calling to Sauron? That was iconic. The tower crumbling and the Great Eye burning into nothingness as the One Ring melted in the fires of Mount Doom where it was 'born' That was iconic. That was something I'll remember with clarity ten years from now, probably forever until my memory fades with the passage of time. Chloe standing with Kara in the fortress and stating the obvious to a spirit of an alien literally giving her the cold shoulder and an upgrade for Kara that I doubt Jor-el will ever get credit for (even malcontents need SOME recognition) not so much, but sweet, yes. :)
I can understand how some fans may think the scene was iconic and powerful, but to me it was a sweet moment and nothing more.

[WickedJenn]

I was hoping she'd react to that Mt. Everest line. :lol:

[LovelyLoisLane]

Hehe, I think everyone is aware that Chloe has always loved Clark. It's just the way she said it, and the scene was really nice. I'm not a Chlarker, I don't really ship anything in Smallville (unless you count me and Lois as a ship, I want her all to myself! :lol:), but I still found the scene really nice. And yeah I guess that's why Lana disappeared, so Chloe could say that to Jor-El.

Go get a blow up Lois, cause Lois is all mine. Mine I tell you! ;)

It was a very nice scene, but I hate that Lana had to be gone for her to say it. Not because I have any great love for Lana, but it didn't make much sense for her to just disappear like that.

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I was hoping she'd react to that Mt. Everest line. :lol:


I was expecting one honestly, but maybe she was thinking how she could spin that to her advantage or say something nearly as 'awww' as Chloe just did. :P

[Yasise]

....I can understand how some fans may think the scene was iconic and powerful, but to me it was a sweet moment and nothing more.

Yes, to me, too :)

[Thrill_Seeker]

Chloe did mean that in a romantic way or whatever, but it doesnt mean anything. nothing is going to happen between clark and chloe.
some people are even so desperate the result to a theory as dumb as chlois.
the writers and even the acter herself (allison mack) said that was fairly stupid and would never happen.
people are just too desperate for it to happen. they would be great, but unfortunately, clark DOES NOT have feelings for chloe. sometimes i feel really bad for people cos they want him to have feelings for her, but the show has explained that many times. He just doesnt have feelings for her.
i think in some way she'll always love him, but I mean, come one, WHAT ABOUT JIMMY ?!?!?!?!?
I love him and chloe together !!

[AChloeChick]

Thats a very interest breakdown of her sentence! It does really point to something personal! She starts out in a general tone and then puts her own feeling into it! That IMHM points to a non-plutonic line! If she ment it as a best friend, she would have kept her sentence general based and would have said "We love him"!

Thanks. It's about the only way I can completely analyze and examine it to get its full meaning/impact. Plus, I'm extremely analytical. I can't help it; it's in my blood.

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[KryptonChick]

Of course it's romantic, it's so obvious she's still not over Clark and never will be.

[SweetOne]

I loved hearing Chloe say it.

Like everyone else has said, YES, we obviously know that Chloe loves Clark it's like....an automatic....you don't question it. However, to have it inserted into the show, is rare nowadays. It's like they do not address it BECAUSE "we all know".

I will never get tired of hearing Chloe reiterate (a thousand times if need be) her love for Clark. Whether it's through teary letters or quick looks or even loud confessions, she needs to keep it up until that big dork notices.

All it takes is one moment, where you happen to see someone through different eyes. Everything changes and you see that person in a new light. It'll happen...I hope!!!!

[jazel]

seems girls who "love" on Clark in Smallville, don't have happy endings.

[CK&CK]

A character (it wouldn't matter who it is.....could be any of the characters) is able to activate the Fortress.....and gets Jo-rel (who usually has disdain for everyone) to restore Kara's powers & memory.......and some people say it's just a "sweet moment" and nothing more? Sometimes I think some fans don't want the Powers that Be to think the moment was anything noteworthy...........their motivations for this?.....There are a few possibilites....but why waste anymore time dwelling on it.

And I agree with whoever said that "Nothing will come of this". Come on Chloe....time to be as big a loser as Clark is......step up to the plate and date that freckled and useless icon known as Jimmy O.

[go_clo]

I loved hearing Chloe say it.

Like everyone else has said, YES, we obviously know that Chloe loves Clark it's like....an automatic....you don't question it. However, to have it inserted into the show, is rare nowadays. It's like they do not address it BECAUSE "we all know".

I will never get tired of hearing Chloe reiterate (a thousand times if need be) her love for Clark. Whether it's through teary letters or quick looks or even loud confessions, she needs to keep it up until that big dork notices.

All it takes is one moment, where you happen to see someone through different eyes. Everything changes and you see that person in a new light. It'll happen...I hope!!!!
WORD!! :D I especially like how you put that bolded part lol! :lol:

[clarkbunny]

Well I think Smallville lore foreshadowed Chlark from the very beginning - Clark said that Chloe gave him his very first kiss when she arrived in Smallville back when they were kids :)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

seems girls who "love" on Clark in Smallville, don't have happy endings.

That's an understatement.

[Yasise]

That's an understatement.

:lol::lol::lol:

[SteveS]

You are right, nobody loves lois except for maybe Chloe and this is only in a platonic way. However, it is easy to see how ClarkMan is loved by many and lois by none. Its her character.

[Ayanne]

Originally Posted by LovelyLoisLane
....I can understand how some fans may think the scene was iconic and powerful, but to me it was a sweet moment and nothing more.

Except everything about the scene context, including the premise, location, character, Dialogue involved IS iconic.

Premise: Saving the Last son of Krypton
location: The Fortress of Solitude
character: Jor-El, the FATHER of Superman ; Kara: Supergirl & Chloe: the ONLY one who loves Clark unconditionally.
Dialogue: " I love your son"

All those factors DEFINE iconic & powerful.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

seems girls who "love" on Clark in Smallville, don't have happy endings.

Kyla
Alicia
Raya
Lana

And they all knew his secret too.

Anyone see a pattern here?

[jazel]

You are right, nobody loves lois except for maybe Chloe and this is only in a platonic way. However, it is easy to see how ClarkMan is loved by many and lois by none. Its her character.

Perry, Jimmy, Lucy, the General (minus the "followers" who read HER articles)......are nobodies, for you ? WOW ! You really HAVE "limited" yourself, to SV's way of thinking.:\
Lois, needs to go, and hang her unlovable self, from a tree:confused::lol:
Because that's the kind of following, she garniers ?
You're posts RARELY struck me as delusional....but honestly SS, this is delusional.:p:rotfl:
She wouldn't be around for 70 years, IF your pathetic arguement, had any weight !:lol:

[Lostfan588]

Wow i'm surprised how many pages this has gotten....but it's nice to see how one little line can have such an enormous impact. I wonder what the writer's were expecting the audience reaction to be when they wrote it.

[jazel]

let's throw Chlarkers some grizzle, to chew on ? LOL
as IF, there was a chance Chloe could never love the loser CK...I'm actually "relieved, CK and Lois have little to do with each other now...he IS so pathetic, if CHloe still wants a "piece" of that , she can have it.:lol:

[litew8]

seems girls who "love" on Clark in Smallville, don't have happy endings.THAT is the POINT! (just expressing excitement)
This is a story about WHY Clark Kent / Superman decides that he cannot become close to the girl he loves (flash-forward - future/Lois). This story in Smallville (pertaining Lana's hardships) will convince Clark Kent to form a secret identity - and not allow Lois Lane to know who he is. If he does - he'd be too concerned that she will get hurt (like Lana HAS).

:D :D :D

[AlwaysRight]

let's throw Chlarkers some grizzle, to chew on ? LOL
as IF, there was a chance Chloe could never love the loser CK...I'm actually "relieved, CK and Lois have little to do with each other now...he IS so pathetic, if CHloe still wants a "piece" of that , she can have it.:lol:

I agree, Clark is not good enough for Lois at this point. I always find humor in Lois' comments to Clark such as his best move is driving a tractor and such. Sort of ironic because deep down Clark seems to want to live a lifestyle like that(at least to this point of the show) and that's how Lois views him. Goes on my theory that Lois is basically the only one who can see Clark for who he is at the core of himself.

As for the statement Chloe made, if i can chime my 2 cents in. I think it's the TPTB's way to throw Chlarkers a bone. TPTB have to know that each ship has it's group of fans so they usually throw a few bones to each group every season to keep them interested in the show. The Clanites will jump all over Clark breaking down when she is in a coma as the reason he Luvs her 4-eva, Cloisers will go with the scene in siren with Lois letting her guard down infront of him and Chlarkers will jump all over this.

[jazel]

Goes on my theory that Lois is basically the only one who can see Clark for who he is at the core of himself.


Great point ! :)
One of the "main" reasons, their relationship is like it is (for me anyway).;)
Sorry, it just seemed getting all excited about Chloe declaring her love for Clark, to Jor-el, was for nothing.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

I think regardless of whether anything will come of this scene immediately, it's still one of the most powerful monologues from a character in the entire series.

:)I agree!

[SteveS]

Some above seems to be very wrong as opposed to being right as it is Chloe who sees and understands what ClarkMan is at his core. lois mostly sees herself in the mirror as she is too self-centered (from her own words) to understand a responsibility to the world greater than that to a girlfriend, or in lois case, a non-girlfriend. Even Lana with all her flaws is way beyond lois on that topic.

lois could declare her 'luv' for ClarkMan, but everyone who has watched the show and make an independent analysis would know that for what it was, absolutely nothing.

[jazel]

lois could declare her 'luv' for ClarkMan, but everyone who has watched the show and make an independent analysis would know that for what it was, absolutely nothing.

Just like Chloe.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

She is still the super-girl of this series, even if she can't leap a tall building in a single bound.

I like it....I like it!!!!:D

[jazel]

I think supergirl is gonna die.

[Kalista]

Some above seems to be very wrong as opposed to being right as it is Chloe who sees and understands what ClarkMan is at his core. lois mostly sees herself in the mirror as she is too self-centered (from her own words) to understand a responsibility to the world greater than that to a girlfriend, or in lois case, a non-girlfriend. Even Lana with all her flaws is way beyond lois on that topic.

lois could declare her 'luv' for ClarkMan, but everyone who has watched the show and make an independent analysis would know that for what it was, absolutely nothing.

Awesome post, SteveS. It is apparent to anyone willing to see that Chloe and Clark have achieved an intimacy that some marriage mates never attain.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I think supergirl is gonna die.

You mean Kara?

No. That can't happen.

[Twitch]

I think jazel meant supergirl as in Chloe, since that's what Steve called her. :p

Killing Kara would be ridiculous.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

No, not Chloe either.

She's too hot.

[Twitch]

Hehe I agree, enough with the killing of hot women, it's just not right I say.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Except everything about the scene context, including the premise, location, character, Dialogue involved IS iconic.

Premise: Saving the Last son of Krypton
location: The Fortress of Solitude
character: Jor-El, the FATHER of Superman ; Kara: Supergirl & Chloe: the ONLY one who loves Clark unconditionally.
Dialogue: " I love your son"

All those factors DEFINE iconic & powerful.

To you perhaps. Iconic is a persons own point of view, period. And Smallville is not an iconic show to me. It just isn't. There are powerful moments on this show, but when I compare to moments like those I mentioned from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, they pale greatly in comparison to my idea of iconic.

Chloe saying something I already knew to an unfeeling A.I. inside a glorified ice sculpture . . . not iconic to me. Now you have a different scale and way of seeing what is iconic then I do, good for you. But it still was not iconic to me.

[jazel]

I think jazel meant supergirl as in Chloe, since that's what Steve called her. :p


thanks for having my back T, and that's who I meant.;)
still think she's a goner.:lol:

[SteveS]

Awesome post, SteveS. It is apparent to anyone willing to see that Chloe and Clark have achieved an intimacy that some marriage mates never attain.

You can say that again, Kalista, sadly probably way, way more than 50% of marriages don't have the bond that Chloe and ClarkMan have, hence divorce being as prevalent as it is. You can't judge a good partner by bustline or legshape, but then ClarkMan isn't that superficial or Lana wouldn't be occupying his bed, now would she?

She (Chloe) is the super girl of Smallville, though I will grant that Kara would make a SuperGirl. :)

[LovelyLoisLane]

Oddly enough there was a reviewer from back in "Arrival" I think it was that made a fanmanip of Chloe in a Supergirl costume flying out of the FoS. :p

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Hehe I agree, enough with the killing of hot women, it's just not right I say.


Maybe it is like in most horror movies, where abstinence is key, so since there are no virgins on this show anymore, except MAYBE Kara, everyone could die. :p

[Ayanne]

To you perhaps. Iconic is a persons own point of view, period. And Smallville is not an iconic show to me. It just isn't. There are powerful moments on this show, but when I compare to moments like those I mentioned from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, they pale greatly in comparison to my idea of iconic.

Chloe saying something I already knew to an unfeeling A.I. inside a glorified ice sculpture . . . not iconic to me. Now you have a different scale and way of seeing what is iconic then I do, good for you. But it still was not iconic to me.

For Smallville, within the context of the show. VERY MUCH ICONIC.

[Kalista]

To you perhaps. Iconic is a persons own point of view, period. And Smallville is not an iconic show to me. It just isn't. There are powerful moments on this show, but when I compare to moments like those I mentioned from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, they pale greatly in comparison to my idea of iconic.

Chloe saying something I already knew to an unfeeling A.I. inside a glorified ice sculpture . . . not iconic to me. Now you have a different scale and way of seeing what is iconic then I do, good for you. But it still was not iconic to me.

If Jor-El is nothing more than unfeeling AI and the FOS a glorified ice sculpture then I'm curious why you watch the show. What does Lord of the Rings have to do with Smallville. It's okay if if those movies hold a special place in heart but I think similar things within that trilogy can be reduced to insignificance similar to the way you minimized Jor-El and the FOS. Jor-El and the FOS play a significant role in Clark's life. So I agree with Ayanne. If you analyze the scene within the context of the show, it was very powerful and iconic.

[aqgalaxy]

For Smallville, within the context of the show. VERY MUCH ICONIC.

I think the main issue some people have is, it's an Iconic scene, with a character people think isn't iconic, so they try to say "the scene was a waste of time"

[CK&CK]

To you perhaps. Iconic is a persons own point of view, period. And Smallville is not an iconic show to me. It just isn't. There are powerful moments on this show, but when I compare to moments like those I mentioned from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, they pale greatly in comparison to my idea of iconic.

Chloe saying something I already knew to an unfeeling A.I. inside a glorified ice sculpture . . . not iconic to me. Now you have a different scale and way of seeing what is iconic then I do, good for you. But it still was not iconic to me.


I completely disagree with you about the moment being Iconic.....but I understand your point of view......excellent way to convey your reasoning.....and I have to say that I respect that.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by KAL-EL_3
lets face it shes outlived her role as clarks side-kick!!!!
he doesnt need her....


Quote:
Originally Poste by Minela
Wow, you've opened up a can of worms buddy, this is a rather dangerous statement to make around here, kinda like openly supporting communism in the 50s. Be prepared for the torches and pitchforks coming your way... but don't worry, I got your back.
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(Mean while......back in Titans Tower)

Oh Bloody Hell!....(CK&CK frantically looks around for something in his quarters)....Raven! Did you borrow my KAL-EL-3 Voodo Doll again?!!!!!! Why?......There raging on Chloe Again!....That's Why!......Time to inflict some PAIN!

(CK&CK quietly comments to himself as he reaches for a rather large Meat Clever)

"hehe.........no pins this time ; ) "

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If Jor-El is nothing more than unfeeling AI and the FOS a glorified ice sculpture then I'm curious why you watch the show. What does Lord of the Rings have to do with Smallville. It's okay if if those movies hold a special place in heart but I think similar things within that trilogy can be reduced to insignificance similar to the way you minimized Jor-El and the FOS. Jor-El and the FOS play a significant role in Clark's life. So I agree with Ayanne. If you analyze the scene within the context of the show, it was very powerful and iconic.

While I respect LovelyLoisLane's personal view on this........the above quote also makes a lot of sense.

[jazel]

I'm curious why you watch the show.
violation, of a ksite rule.
do believe, most watch, because they want to.:)

[4CHLicks]

Yeah ok.. Chloe loves Clark... that doesn't change the fact that Clark doesn't love her in that way. Didn't Al Gough say Chloe will always love him, but she knows they are never going to be more than friends?
Actually Al/Miles said that's Chloe the character's point of view, (not necessarily Al/Miles' point of view, they're tricky that way) which may or may not prove accurate for the future. Clark may develop feelings for Chloe. I believe he already has developed strong feelings of possessiveness toward Chloe considering his compulsive behavior toward Chloe in Siren that required him making an apology to her after he "went off on her." Even Clark believed he had overstepped the bounds of his friendship with her, thus the apology, but he couldn't help himself. After Clark found out he might be loosing Chloe as a "sidekick" to Oliver or possibly getting killed by Black Canary, he couldn't control himself. It was compulsive behavior, that ended in shame and an apology, but also revealed great and uncontrollable, underlying emotion. This marked possessive streak could be construed as romantic feelings as yet unacknowledge publicly, privately or both.

As for Chloe, her love for Clark is just a fact of her life now. She's matured and her love for Clark has matured, too, to the point where she doesn't pine for him, but just continues her life. And continuing her life means pursuing a romantic love for herself if Clark doesn't or can't provide it. She's just grown up, and even if she'll never be able to completey grow out of Clark, I don't think she really wants to, either. It's a good feeling for her, this love. :)

[Bellarata]

Loved that line!!!!

[Ayanne]

I think the main issue some people have is, it's an Iconic scene, with a character people think isn't iconic, so they try to say "the scene was a waste of time"


It's being dismissed because of a "name", not even based on the character, because the character of Chloe's actions have consisted of legendary deeds on Smallville. :D

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I could say that Clark taking Lana to the fortress in Reckoning is iconic because of the Superman music. But I would be wrong.

Because as good as the scene was, they were off by just one character, who should've been there instead of Lana.

But that's okay. DC/WB have certain restrictions on the show. The REAL iconic characters can't be used in such scenes. So the back up characters (protos, archetypes) are used instead.

[Kalista]

I could say that Clark taking Lana to the fortress in Reckoning is iconic because of the Superman music. But I would be wrong.

Because as good as the scene was, they were off by just one character, who should've been there instead of Lana.

But that's okay. DC/WB have certain restrictions on the show. The REAL iconic characters can't be used in such scenes. So the back up characters (protos, archetypes) are used instead.

Please show me the restriction that says that EDLois couldn't have been used in this scene? She has already been to the FOS. Remember you thought she received the VIP treatment? If EDLois replaced Chloe in this scene, people would be calling it destiny or raving about mythos. Chloe was able to get Jor-El to respond to her plea to save Clark and no one should try to cheapen it.

[Ayanne]

Please show me the restriction that says that EDLois couldn't have been used in this scene? She has already been to the FOS. Remember you thought she received the VIP treatment? If EDLois replaced Chloe in this scene, people would be calling it destiny or raving about mythos. Chloe was able to get Jor-El to respond to her plea to save Clark and no one should try to cheapen it.

I simply don't like dismissing an inconic scene because of the "name" factor. Using this old quote of "A rose by any other name would still be a rose"...

Chloe had that scene, because her character HAS THE foundation/relationship with Clark on Smallville to do so, regardless of the "name".

[AlwaysRight]

Please show me the restriction that says that EDLois couldn't have been used in this scene? She has already been to the FOS. Remember you thought she received the VIP treatment? If EDLois replaced Chloe in this scene, people would be calling it destiny or raving about mythos. Chloe was able to get Jor-El to respond to her plea to save Clark and no one should try to cheapen it.

I am a Lois fan but if Lois was in that scene i would be like WTF because at this point in time she has no clue(other then her one trip there when she was half knocked out and thought it was "heaven") of the Fortress, Jor-EL and Kara abilities.


I simply don't like dismissing an inconic scene because of the "name" factor. Using this old quote of "A rose by any other name would still be a rose"...

I wouldn't say the scene is "iconic" at this point in time, if Chlark happens though i guess you could

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Please show me the restriction that says that EDLois couldn't have been used in this scene? She has already been to the FOS. Remember you thought she received the VIP treatment? If EDLois replaced Chloe in this scene, people would be calling it destiny or raving about mythos.

Not so much restrictions. More like guidelines that the writers need to follow.

Lois couldn't be in the scene, because being the iconic character that she is, doesn't and won't be able to know Clark's secret at this early stage of his life.

So naturally, Chloe (the character who was created for the show and the writers claim to have free reign with) was used for the scene instead.

The same can be said for Lionel. Things that the writers can't do with Lex they use Lionel for instead. He, like Chloe, also knows Clark's secret, and has displayed super powers.

It all comes down to simple story telling.

[SteveS]

The 'guidelines' may primarily exist in certain view's minds as well as some form of guideline for writers, as the latter can not be produced and proven by the former. Think of it as possibly an inconvenient truth just like the impossibility of lois being unable to recognize Superman's face as that of Clark Kent after having been a freeloader in ClarkMan's house and peripheral character around Smallville for a few years.

So naturally, the writers took the better character and more popular person and used her naturally in the FOS scene rather than making an opposite choice for lois.

Besides, Chloe's love for ClarkMan has been shown clearly for years, no one (and certainly not a diembodied AI like Jor-El) would ever fall for a proclamation of luv from lois. (I just re-watched the episode again yesterday, where lois blubbers on ClarkMan's shoulder during her self-pity-party when she realized that she could not be the center of Oliver's life and universe and what is much worse, lois clearly showed that she couldn't control her envy of Oliver who had a much greater destiny than she...Imagine Jor-el knowing how much greater is Clark's destiny that Oliver's and reviewing that versus the envy lois might feel towards ClarkMan versus any pledge of 'luv'...it doesn't fly, kind of like Clark right now)

It is really simple story telling that would have been laughably stupid had lois been used in the scene, guidelines need not apply.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

If EDLois replaced Chloe in this scene, people would be calling it destiny or raving about mythos.

Maybe. But they'd also be expecting a complete retcon right afterwards.

A lame plot device, I know. But probably a huge time saver.

I bet it got them out of lots of jams in when Lana found out Clark's secret and then forgot at the end of the episode.

[Kalista]

The 'guidelines' may primarily exist in certain view's minds as well as some form of guideline for writers, as the latter can not be produced and proven by the former. Think of it as possibly an inconvenient truth just like the impossibility of lois being unable to recognize Superman's face as that of Clark Kent after having been a freeloader in ClarkMan's house and peripheral character around Smallville for a few years.

So naturally, the writers took the better character and more popular person and used her naturally in the FOS scene rather than making an opposite choice for lois.

Besides, Chloe's love for ClarkMan has been shown clearly for years, no one (and certainly not a diembodied AI like Jor-El) would ever fall for a proclamation of luv from lois. (I just re-watched the episode again yesterday, where lois blubbers on ClarkMan's shoulder during her self-pity-party when she realized that she could not be the center of Oliver's life and universe and what is much worse, lois clearly showed that she couldn't control her envy of Oliver who had a much greater destiny than she...Imagine Jor-el knowing how much greater is Clark's destiny that Oliver's and reviewing that versus the envy lois might feel towards ClarkMan versus any pledge of 'luv'...it doesn't fly, kind of like Clark right now)

It is really simple story telling that would have been laughably stupid had lois been used in the scene, guidelines need not apply.

Oh Steve.:lol: I keep reading about these obscure guidelines....I guess some people have connections.

Anyway, this is a such a beautiful scene because it give you an idea of how Chloe's love has deepened and matured over the years. :)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

The writers and AlMiles have said time and time again that there are certain things that TPTB (DC/WB) will not let them do with certain characters.

(of course when I say 'characters', I mean already established canon characters from the 70 year old mythos. Not the archetypes created for the show that no one outside of Smallville cares for)

So that's where I get the impression that there are guidelines.

They don't own the rights to the characters (not even Chloe anymore).

So it doesn't only come down to simple story telling, but pure logic aswell.

[Dustmite]

I think this thread needs visual aid :)

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/iliana_100/issa.gif

[AChloeChick]

How do you think that moment ties into the perpetual Clana we're now stuck with?

As much as I LOVE her proclamation here, I just don't know what they're going to do with it (if anything).

IMO, this was a HUGE moment, but once again we're right back to the Clana merry-go-round in the very next episode. As a Chloe and Chlark fan, I enjoy moments like these. However, I DON'T enjoy it being overlooked and swept under the rug on a regular basis.

IF they have no intention of going through with Chlark, then STOP the teasing. I've invested myself into seven years of their relationship and it's almost time for it to be over. I will be completely pissed if they don't go any further than this. I'll also be completely pissed if I don't get a major pay-off.

It's time to pay up, TPTB!

[Bigx07]

The scene was priceless and I watched it like a hundred times. My brother got so tired of me watching it that he broke the tape i recorded it on. but what he doesnt know is that I have an extra copy of the tape.

[ekoo]

Best quote ever... AM rules!



true....but not if she made it clear before hand that the one thing she wants for him is to use his powers for good and get his butt off the farm. I love that Clark would be a mess without Chloe...but all the hints are pointing to a chlark relationship that ends with her death. I mean...think of all the quotes "why was I given this amazing gift"...."I love your son" Its starting to point in that direction for me. Help, I dont want it to!!!




I think I have to agree... my rationality has come back. Don't get me wrong, I heart Chlark and I also heart Canon!Clois but I really loathe SV!Clois for some reason (before someone throws rocks at me, I wanna say I like ED).

I think Chloe's going to bite the dust, so to speak, which would really blow but I feel like that's the direction the show will move in (I wish it would go Chlark but from past experience with the show, every time we get there, we're taken away from it, it never happens or gets fulfilled). It feels a little hopeless right now.

That being said, it peeves me to no end if they off her. Chloe is an awesome character and with everything she's done, given up and experienced it would be a serious miscredit if the only ending they gave her would be death. In Stranger Than Fiction Kay Eiffel says, "if a man dies- dies willingly, knowing he could stop it, isn't that the kind of man you want to keep alive?" or something to that effect and I seriously couldn't agree more in Chloe's case. She's such a genuine representation of what's good in the world. If she dies simply to propel Clark on his way to become Superman than... [insert feet stomping and temper tantrum] he better be damn grateful forever (and in the Future I know the only way he'd show that is by screwing her cousin: I'm bitter, what do you want?).

[4CHLicks]

Not so much restrictions. More like guidelines that the writers need to follow. ...Lois couldn't be in the scene, ...
What I hear you reiterating for the thousanth time here, and that we've all heard before, is restrictions = NO "I love Clark" from EDLois= NO Clois sex on Smallville. I guess they'll just have to use "Lois Lane's prototype", Chloe, for that, too. ;)


So naturally, Chloe (the character who was created for the show and the writers claim to have free reign with) was used for the scene instead.
NO restrictions=the possiblity of lots of Chlark Sex! Oh, please, TPTB, use Chloe faithfully, well and very freely! :lol:

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Best quote ever... AM rules!
She's such a genuine representation of what's good in the world. If she dies simply to propel Clark on his way to become Superman than... [insert feet stomping and temper tantrum] he better be damn grateful forever (and in the Future I know the only way he'd show that is by screwing her cousin: I'm bitter, what do you want?).
Cheer up! If AM signs up for next season, I have a feeling they're going to make her an immortal, like Clark, Cures, "Thanks to you, Chloe Sullivan, my love will last forever" pretty much gave away the TPTB's intentions. And if they killed off Chloe in the S7 Finale by being shot or knifed or in some fatal car crash, it would only be to bring her back to life again, showing without any doubts that she's an immortal like Clark. So far they've only brought her back to life after healing someone, but if she comes back to life after a fatal wound to her own body, that's the clincher that will seal the deal. She and Clark would be together forever, living as immortals.

[Ladyalchemy]

Best quote ever... AM rules!







I think I have to agree... my rationality has come back. Don't get me wrong, I heart Chlark and I also heart Canon!Clois but I really loathe SV!Clois for some reason (before someone throws rocks at me, I wanna say I like ED).

I think Chloe's going to bite the dust, so to speak, which would really blow but I feel like that's the direction the show will move in (I wish it would go Chlark but from past experience with the show, every time we get there, we're taken away from it, it never happens or gets fulfilled). It feels a little hopeless right now.

That being said, it peeves me to no end if they off her. Chloe is an awesome character and with everything she's done, given up and experienced it would be a serious miscredit if the only ending they gave her would be death. In Stranger Than Fiction Kay Eiffel says, "if a man dies- dies willingly, knowing he could stop it, isn't that the kind of man you want to keep alive?" or something to that effect and I seriously couldn't agree more in Chloe's case. She's such a genuine representation of what's good in the world. If she dies simply to propel Clark on his way to become Superman than... [insert feet stomping and temper tantrum] he better be damn grateful forever (and in the Future I know the only way he'd show that is by screwing her cousin: I'm bitter, what do you want?).
I am SO glad someone else thinks the same way I do. I have already decided if it should happen(I desperately hope not) but the instant they put Clark and Lois together I WILL stop watching this show. Yeh, me stopping to watch this show wont change anything but I cannot bring myself to watch Clark fall for SV Lois. I too like ED but no mater what actress was portraying this character - I wouldn't like like her.

Sadly I prefer the Clana Yo-yo over the thought of Clois but I will ever remain a champion of Chlark .

[highdro_pharmer]

IF they have no intention of going through with Chlark, then STOP the teasing. I've invested myself into seven years of their relationship and it's almost time for it to be over. I will be completely pissed if they don't go any further than this. I'll also be completely pissed if I don't get a major pay-off.
It's time to pay up, TPTB!

Totally, they'd better pay!

Or there'll be riots in the forum, like the Richard Riots in the Montreal Forum back in '55 when the Rocket got suspended in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Yea, I just went prehistorical on that.

[LovelyLoisLane]

violation, of a ksite rule.
do believe, most watch, because they want to.:)

Thank you, and I don't think I deserve to get yelled at because my idea of iconic differs from someone else.

There is no need for a snotty retort when I bring up films like Lord of the Rings, since I did so to give an example of what is iconic to 'me' Lord of the Rings was a very iconic film to me, with very iconic moments. In bringing that up the reader gets an idea of what I think is iconic, and may understand better where I might be coming from in not finding 'Smallville' iconic. Which is not to say it doesn't have good moments, if it had NO good moments I probably wouldn't be watching it anymore. If Smallville is an iconic show for others, great, fantastic, I'm happy for them. But it isn't iconic for me, and while I don't need to explain or justify my reasons for watching the show to anyone I will.

I watch Smallville because I still prefer Smallville at its worst to Reality TV at its best, and I still hold out hope for my favorite character, Lois Lane, and I am interested in superhero shows and movies. Simple because I casually enjoy Smallville instead of jumping up and down in excitement over it does not mean I have no rights to watch the show.

Saying such is like saying . . .

"How DARE you have a different opinion than I do! If you don't LOVE Smallville you have no right to watch it or comment on it!"

That is hardly fair treatment of another individual, and personally, I think I treat others quite nicely, go out of my way to supply them with information, get images I think they may enjoy, try to be reasonable to them even when I don't agree with them. I think I deserve at least a bit of the same treatment in return.

I want to add to this that I never said it was a stupid scene, I never said I didn't think Chloe should have been in that scene, I simply said it was a sweet moment but it wasn't iconic to me. How does that draw such vitriol?

[jazel]

Thank you, and I don't think I deserve to get yelled at because my idea of iconic differs from someone else.

No problem......and nobody does.;)

[Ayanne]

Clark may develop feelings for Chloe. I believe he already has developed strong feelings of possessiveness toward Chloe considering his compulsive behavior toward Chloe in Siren that required him making an apology to her after he "went off on her." Even Clark believed he had overstepped the bounds of his friendship with her, thus the apology, but he couldn't help himself. After Clark found out he might be loosing Chloe as a "sidekick" to Oliver or possibly getting killed by Black Canary, he couldn't control himself. It was compulsive behavior, that ended in shame and an apology, but also revealed great and uncontrollable, underlying emotion. This marked possessive streak could be construed as romantic feelings as yet unacknowledge publicly, privately or both.

This marked possessive streak could be construed as romantic feelings as yet unacknowledge publicly, privately or both. Absolutely, & it's been a building theme for the past 2 years. :D

[morethanmeetstheye]

I don't have time to sift through the 48 comments to find out if this has already been said, so I suppose I'll mention it anyway:

According to the interview by TVGuide for Smallville's seventh season, Gough said "The fact is, she [Chloe] will always have feelings for Clark."

and the italicization was not my doing...:D

[Kalista]

Thank you, and I don't think I deserve to get yelled at because my idea of iconic differs from someone else.

There is no need for a snotty retort when I bring up films like Lord of the Rings, since I did so to give an example of what is iconic to 'me' Lord of the Rings was a very iconic film to me, with very iconic moments.

I watch Smallville because I still prefer Smallville at its worst to Reality TV at its best, and I still hold out hope for my favorite character, Lois Lane, and I am interested in superhero shows and movies. Simple because I casually enjoy Smallville instead of jumping up and down in excitement over it does not mean I have no rights to watch the show.

The only thing I am going to say is that I did not say anything along the lines of you "shouldn't watch the show" as jazel is suggesting. I was just responding to your post and it was not a snotty remark and I was not trying to insult you. Also, I don't see how it can be viewed as yelling because I didn't type in all caps. Now that you know that perhaps you can go back and read the post without taking offense. I just don't have the energy to provide a lengthy response to angry unwarranted posts such as these. I did not mean to offend you.

[jazel]

violation, of a ksite rule.
do believe, most watch, because they want to.:)

This was MY response to YOU, when you asked a member WHY they continue to watch. And you didn't really ask, since you put a period, instead of a question mark.

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The only thing I am going to say is that I did not say anything along the lines of you "shouldn't watch the show" as jazel is suggesting. I was just responding to your post and it was not a snotty remark. Now that you know that perhaps you can go back and read the post without taking offense. I just don't have the energy to respond to angry unwarranted posts such as these.

I will find your orginial post and quote it. I wish you'd leave me alone, and I am going to report you for continuiosly try yo get me in trouble with other members.
I quoted you on page 23, before you could delete it.

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I did not say anything along the lines of you "shouldn't watch the show" as jazel is suggesting.
please quote the post where I "suggested" this, and why did you minimize my name ?

[Kalista]

I never tire of watching this scene!:D

[CK&CK]

It's being dismissed because of a "name", not even based on the character, because the character of Chloe's actions have consisted of legendary deeds on Smallville. :D

If I'm reading this quote correctly....that the scene is not considered iconic simply because it's character is not originally in the Mythos......then this statement is SO ON THE MONEY! Sometimes I wonder if some fans don't want to admit that Super Powers alone doesn't make a Super Hero......Chloe should just move over into the Gotham City World....something tells me her deeds would be more abundantly acknowledged there........and how much do you want to bet that if Chloe did hit it big and stayed there.....we would have a whole lot of anti-Chloe/Superman fans throwing the fact around as to "where she got her start"....and even more of them becoming annoyed of her success (that's assuming that she did in fact equal what she's done on Smallville).

Maybe then they'll realize that your supporting cast....other than iconic Lois (who adds something significant but different to the story)...specifically villains....(but occasionally another World's Awesome version of Comicdom's Number one Sidekick....Robin) helps take your main character to another level......And that is why The Bat is DC's Numero Uno (that would be number 1) Comic Book "Movie" Franchise.....even when burdened with such turkeys as (ironically speaking) "Batman & Robin"....(which should have been re-titled "Batman & Robin & Batgirl on Drugs").

The Superman world is far more exciting with the Blonde sidekick than without her (unless she's paired up with Jimmy O.....the only time I consider her character to be beneath Lois and Lana.....and something of a loser). Chloe & Clark....on Smallville...(and when they write the Scooby Doo Team well....that is not making one stupid to make the other look smarter).....each raises the other to another level. That's exactly what the Superman world needs now.

To quote a certain villain.....from a certain Movie coming out this summer:

"You've Changed Things......Forever.......there's no going back.......You see.....to them.....you're just a Freak..............Like Me! : ) "

Now if that's not lifting your hero to another level.....then I don't know what is.

[Ayanne]

The Superman world is far more exciting with the Blonde sidekick than without her (unless she's paired up with Jimmy O.....the only time I consider her character to be beneath Lois and Lana.....and something of a loser). Chloe & Clark....on Smallville...(and when they write the Scooby Doo Team well....that is not making one stupid to make the other look smarter).....each raises the other to another level. That's exactly what the Superman world needs now.



I think the blonde one has "saved the world & the man who saves the world" on more than one occassion in Smallville, so Yes! That's iconic for me, regardless of the "name".. :D

[RedKRules]

Actions means more than name titles .....

[CK&CK]

I think the blonde one has "saved the world & the man who saves the world" on more than one occassion in Smallville, so Yes! That's iconic for me, regardless of the "name".. :D


Yep, and that's why I consider her the 2nd best sidekick of all time......right after you know who.

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Actions means more than name titles .....

Exactly why I consider Chloe a more selfless hero than Clark at this point. And why I enjoy the heorine of Smallville far more than the Hero.

[jazel]

Exactly why I consider Chloe a more selfless hero than Clark at this point. And why I enjoy the heorine of Smallville far more than the Hero.

That's the thing, Chloe wasn't suppose to be the "hero" of the story. No offense to the character, but I ALWAYS understood that the "story", was about a "young" Clark Kent. At what point did Chloe surpass CK's significance, in the telling of HIS "future" Supes youth ?
No offense to the Chloe lover's, but Lana will always be the "heroine" of the story. It was always, about Lana.

[Ayanne]

Actions means more than name titles .....

Exactly!

[RedKRules]

That's the thing, Chloe wasn't suppose to be the "hero" of the story. No offense to the character, but I ALWAYS understood that the "story", was about a "young" Clark Kent. At what point did Chloe surpass CK's significance, in the telling of HIS "future" Supes youth ?
No offense to the Chloe lover's, but Lana will always be the "heroine" of the story. It was always, about Lana.

Lana ??? okkkkk .... ok nothing against the character.... but can you answer one thing? what has Lana done for the world? or I will rephrase ... when was the time when Lana actually saved the day? ..... Lionel, Pa Kent, Ma Kent, evenn Lex did it when he helped the Kents from losing the farm ... Shelby saved the day in Labyrinth and Chloe counteless times ..... ohh and Kara too ... yes Lana married Lex in promise, to protect Clark .... I remember that .... but the truth is she did want to marry him.

[jazel]

Lana ??? okkkkk .... ok nothing against the character.... but can you answer one thing? what has Lana done for the world? or I will rephrase ... when was the time when Lana actually saved the day? ..... Lionel, Pa Kent, Ma Kent, evenn Lex did it when he helped the Kents from losing the farm ... Shelby saved the day in Labyrinth and Chloe counteless times ..... ohh and Kara too ... yes Lana married Lex in promise, to protect Clark .... I remember that .... but the truth is she did want to marry him.

I cannot debate you on this, because I agree w/ everything you say.:D
AL/Millar have always stated it was about Lana....so glad they are gone.:lol:

[RedKRules]

I cannot debate you on this, because I agree w/ everything you say.:D
AL/Millar have always stated it was about Lana....so glad they are gone.:lol:

See I have no problem with Lana, I like her, I just don´t like Clana, it was cute in the beginning and all ..... hopefully Lana will get the life she deserves and finally be happy ....

but back to topic ..... I love you ....

was that platonic or meant something else ?

[CK&CK]

That's the thing, Chloe wasn't suppose to be the "hero" of the story. No offense to the character, but I ALWAYS understood that the "story", was about a "young" Clark Kent. At what point did Chloe surpass CK's significance, in the telling of HIS "future" Supes youth ?
No offense to the Chloe lover's, but Lana will always be the "heroine" of the story. It was always, about Lana.

Of course she wasn't.....but sometimes....whether by accident....or just plain luck of casting......in this case it's a little of both......they come up with a great supporting character....unfortunately......that combination can be difficult to the main character if he's not written as consistently well.

And at what point did Chloe surpass CK's signifcance?.......That depends on your definition of significance........selfless hero........well, I'd say Chloe passed him up when

1) Telling his earth father to basically F*** off......because he was going to play football and he couldn't stop him from doing so.

2) Clark allowed his own desires and wants to cloud his judgement.....fact is....he was stupid when Jorel warned him about using the crystal to change things.....and Johnathan Kent paid the price

3) Clark bedded the pink princess....all the while never being up front with her as to his alien heritage, or any of the other baggage that comes with it....quite frankly after years of having this Kryptonian baggage constantly come out....he just plain ingnored it just to HAVE SEX.......oh yeah, real hero.

4) Our favorite hero (sarcasm)....is faster than a locomotive when his chasing pregnant engaged women.....with no regards to the future of the Fetus.....Clark only thought about himself.....oh yeah, he's selfless here.....putting his wants and desires above everthing else.

I can hear the Clark appologists now......(never mind that it's going into the 8th year)....."But he's not Superman yet".........then when TPTB finally do the lightswitch....they'll be all...."see we told you so".......yeah, he was iconic Superman all along......Clark was just hidding his iconic self behind his brilliant portryals of well faked stupidity.

Forgive me if I find Chloe to be a far more selfless character....and heroine : )

As far as "Lana will always be the heroine".....yeah, keep telling yourself that.....they could have her come out as the martyr....making the ultimate sacrifice....giving up Clark to world....for the better good.......and the majority of fans would only be laughing as to how contrived a scene can be.

[jazel]

See I have no problem with Lana, I like her, I just don´t like Clana, it was cute in the beginning and all ..... hopefully Lana will get the life she deserves and finally be happy ....

but back to topic ..... I love you ....

was that platonic or meant something else ?

I know what answer you want to hear, but for me it was platonic.:\ I would have enjoyed seeing a reaction from CK, hearing her plea.
Although, I can believe Chloe will always love CK.:)
Lana isn't/wasn't all that bad....but the Clana ended for me in Reckoning.

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As far as "Lana will always be the heroine".....yeah, keep telling yourself that......
wow ! bitter, much ? lol
No.... TPTB at SV kept telling me, Lana was the tragic heroine. Not hard to believe, since they refused to give the Clana/Lana a rest when it/she ran it's course----->Reckoning for me....don't hate on Clark, because of the Lana worshipping writers.;)

[CK&CK]

I know what answer you want to hear, but for me it was platonic.:\ I would have enjoyed seeing a reaction from CK, hearing her plea.
Although, I can believe Chloe will always love CK.:)
Lana isn't/wasn't all that bad....but the Clana ended for me in Reckoning.

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wow ! bitter, much ? lol
No.... TPTB at SV kept telling me, Lana was the tragic heroine. Not hard to believe, since they refused to give the Clana/Lana a rest when it/she ran it's course----->Reckoning for me....don't hate on Clark, because of the Lana worshipping writers.;)

Wow....you just don't get what I'm talking about. Though I think that DC & you share that same attribute as of late.....Look....TPTB can try to make a character as likable as they want, or as much of a heroine as they want....and with all the best intentioned writting in the world....they can even say it over & over but it doesn't make it so....For example, Lana's easily not the most popular charcter on this show.....but it's not for a lack of trying on the part of TPTB. They've been trying to make her universally liked since season 1.....and it constantly back fired.....so I wouldn't put much creedence into what they say....cause very often....they don't have a clue as to how their characterizations are finally going to be percieved by the fans. Personally, to me Lana's a person who shows good intentions here and there......but in the end....I don't consider her a classic heroine.

Bitter is highly incorrect of you......insulted at Clark's level of stupidity with respect to the writting would be more accurate...but you could be right.....blaming it on the writters should completely absolve the Clark character.....on second thought....I think I'll stick to my intial assesment....."you just don't get what I'm talking about".....once it's on celluloid...good or bad....it's there forever (blaming it on the writters doesn't change what it is)....Ehh....it annoys me...but it's not the end of the world......besides, I'm more the Gotham City Enthusiast : ) A lot less disappointments going on in that city.

As for Chloe's statement to Jo-rel.....yeah, Clark is and will always be something special to her.....but in the end....it's just TPTB using the show's 2nd best character (I'm trying to be diplomatic to Clark Kent fans here.....and it aint' easy).....to keep a certain group of fans watching.......a classic lesson in futility...in the making...if ever I did say so myself.

[jazel]

cool, maybe I don't get it. I am glad you do. Enjoy the remaining epi's.:)

[pizzaguy19]

This is my favorite episode of the season, probably my most favorite since the last Chlark kiss. :D

Imagine going to some GUY'S father (as a girl) or some GIRL's father (as a guy) and yelling at the top of your lungs, "I love your son/daughter!" There is NO WAY you can call that mere "friendship." This girl is the real deal, and I hope to god it ends up with a happy ending for her.


I promise I'll buy at least 2 copies of everything Smallville after the show ends if you make it Chlark, AlMiles!!!!! PLZ!!!!

[JNottle]

I just watched this scene.

Before she said it I was laughing though. "Out of all the planets across the universe you decided to send your only son to this one, to earth." I laughed when I saw Karas face, it was like Wtf?

But then I heard her plea, Jorel isn't normally one to answer humans because he thinks human emotions cloud the their judgment like he's said many times before.

He either responded to "I love your son." or "He's in danger and he needs our help." Most people would probably say the latter. It was good to hear her say it, though it would of been even more funny if Lana heard it.

[alejandrita439]

wow.. im not sure..
but i thinks she still loves him

[dru-zod2501]

This is my favorite episode of the season, probably my most favorite since the last Chlark kiss. :D

Imagine going to some GUY'S father (as a girl) or some GIRL's father (as a guy) and yelling at the top of your lungs, "I love your son/daughter!" There is NO WAY you can call that mere "friendship." This girl is the real deal, and I hope to god it ends up with a happy ending for her.


I promise I'll buy at least 2 copies of everything Smallville after the show ends if you make it Chlark, AlMiles!!!!! PLZ!!!!
too much logic... AlMiles' heads just exploded:cool:

[IloveClark]

Lana couldn't even been bothered to show up.But she loves Clark so much.Yeah right.

[RedKRules]

It was totally romantic, Chloe does love Clark Kent !! :D

[Clois4eva89]

I need to rewatch that scene did Chloe really say that?

[Fallen One]

I need to rewatch that scene did Chloe really say that?
Yes she really said it, as if Jor-El is moved by human emotion.

Jor-El doesn't care about who she loves. He helped Kara because Clark was in danger. If she didn't mention Clark, Jor-El would have frozen her and Kara on the spot.

[Clois4eva89]

I can see it now

Jor-el: pitiful human you dare ask ME to do something. I´ll freeze yo..... wait kal-el is in danger ok i'll do it *starts to grumble*

[Fallen One]

Ha, exactly!

[JFalcon]

Jo-el is being mysterious on this issue. He fell in love with a human. To deny Clark the same, only means that he is either a hypocrite or it’s another test for Clark.

[zorasuperman]

Jo-el is being mysterious on this issue. He fell in love with a human. To deny Clark the same, only means that he is either a hypocrite or it’s another test for Clark.

lol very true. how can the father expect his son to NOT fall in love with a human when he did so himself? very hypocritical indeed.

[Bizarrolover]

lol very true. how can the father expect his son to NOT fall in love with a human when he did so himself? very hypocritical indeed.

the Jor-el we hear in SV is a computer programmed to guide Clark in his journey. He never told Clark not to fall for a human. When Clark took Lana to the fortress to propose in Reckoning, Jor-el didn't object it or tried to stop him.

While Jor-el fell in love with a human, he was going to return to Krypton to fulfil his destiny, leaving Louise behind. I think that's one the reasons why he's always warning Clark about allowing human emotions to cloud his judgement, because in the end, it was his recklessness during his visit to Earth what got Louise killed.



Jor-El doesn't care about who she loves. He helped Kara because Clark was in danger. If she didn't mention Clark, Jor-El would have frozen her and Kara on the spot.

I agree, the only reason why Jor-el listened to Chloe's words it's because Clark was in danger and needed help. I don't think he cares about Chloe's feelings at all.

[Clois4eva89]

I agree, the only reason why Jor-el listened to Chloe's words it's because Clark was in danger and needed help. I don't think he cares about Chloe's feelings at all.

So in a way you could say A.I. Jor-el is a cold hearted b**tard.

[TheAmazingApe]

All I can say is they didn't need to have any mention of love. Chloe could've just said Clark was in danger. I'm definitely not one to brush that line off so easily.

[Bizarrolover]

So in a way you could say A.I. Jor-el is a cold hearted b**tard.

of course he is! What kind of A.I. father freezes his own son in an ice fortress for nearly a month?

[rebecavaldez]

Friends.

[JFalcon]

the Jor-el we hear in SV is a computer programmed to guide Clark in his journey. He never told Clark not to fall for a human. When Clark took Lana to the fortress to propose in Reckoning, Jor-el didn't object it or tried to stop him.

While Jor-el fell in love with a human, he was going to return to Krypton to fulfil his destiny, leaving Louise behind. I think that's one the reasons why he's always warning Clark about allowing human emotions to cloud his judgement, because in the end, it was his recklessness during his visit to Earth what got Louise killed.




I agree, the only reason why Jor-el listened to Chloe's words it's because Clark was in danger and needed help. I don't think he cares about Chloe's feelings at all.


But you're ignoring a very important fact. Clark lives on Earth. He can't go back to Krypton.

If Jor-el had to live here, do you think he would be any different?

[Bizarrolover]

But you're ignoring a very important fact. Clark lives on Earth. He can't go back to Krypton.

If Jor-el had to live here, do you think he would be any different?

probably, but that would be a completely different show. ;)

[alejandrita439]

the Jor-el we hear in SV is a computer programmed to guide Clark in his journey. He never told Clark not to fall for a human. When Clark took Lana to the fortress to propose in Reckoning, Jor-el didn't object it or tried to stop him.

While Jor-el fell in love with a human, he was going to return to Krypton to fulfil his destiny, leaving Louise behind. I think that's one the reasons why he's always warning Clark about allowing human emotions to cloud his judgement, because in the end, it was his recklessness during his visit to Earth what got Louise killed.


very true :)

[Bane]

The irony about this thread is I had no idea what it was about and didn't want to see what it was about, but I happened to catch that line when watching the episode today.

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Also, to answer the poll, I'd say it was platonic...it's not like she said "I'm in love with your son."

[JFalcon]

If Clark didn't love the people of Earth, why would he want to protect them? He would have to have a deep emotional connection to humans to really care. Which means he would likely fall in love with a few of the local hotties.

[missnoname]

Chloe loves her friends

[Cellist]

I think it's neither. Chloe loves Clark on a level that goes beyond mere friendship or romance.

[donnarose]

When Chloe said that she was determined to save him, so I quess rule out romantic, but at the same time save him the only way she could. If that is considered love the fill in the space... because that a hard one to answer.:\:\:\:\:\:\:\:\

[Kall-Ell]

I also liked when she said to Lana in the car "If it's to save Clark, I'd climb Mount Everest."

I loved that line too .....

[SGuthrie27]

I think it's neither. Chloe loves Clark on a level that goes beyond mere friendship or romance.

Interesting way of looking at it, Cellist. I like the way you think, here. I still love this line, and it's one of the ones I point to the most often when people say that Chloe moved on from loving Clark ages ago. This quote obviously, in my mind, states that the opposite is true.

[KneelBeforeSmallville]

Great Line and mabey my favorite part of that ep! Chloe would def climb any mountain or do whatever it takes to save clark, it was a great moment when she said that.

[Supsfan]

Great Line and mabey my favorite part of that ep! Chloe would def climb any mountain or do whatever it takes to save clark, it was a great moment when she said that.

My whole problem with the scene was Clark should be the one restoring Kara's memories, the fact the writers could care less about Clark really turned me off to this episode

[KneelBeforeSmallville]

My whole problem with the scene was Clark should be the one restoring Kara's memories, the fact the writers could care less about Clark really turned me off to this episode

I deff see where your coming from, Clark in a cage for the whole ep didnt really "hype" me up for this, But i really liked the chloe line in the fortress. I guess it was the writers strike for the patchy writing? ya think?