Loi... I mean... Chloe/Lex Confrontation

[kasealaine]

Yes. I did it. I started a thread devoted to the fact that the Chloe/Lex confrontation was painfully like what a Lois/Lex confrontation would be.
It's funny to me that he seems so un-intimidated by Lois, but when Chloe walks in the room, he is on his feet and ready for a real fight. He's afraid of her. Deep down, I think he knows that Chloe could end him.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Hey, I'm proud of you for starting this thread!

I had been thinking along the very same lines.
I always have a tendency to want the characters to jump up and confront the other character that's causing them grief and that rarely seems to happen. But low and behold, Chloe came flying into Lex's office. I was so thrilled. I love the fact that she yelled at him and then upon leaving, slammed the door. :D

And yes, I think Lex does know what a threat Chloe is to him...or he wouldn't have taken the time in Progeny to come see her in person and threaten her life. He probably also knows that truly messing with her would be stirring the waters with Clark-something I think he would be wary of doing.

It's easy to see why he didn't kick her out of the Planet as soon as he could (as well as Lois): he has to make sure he can control what she writes.

He has always known that Chloe is formidable, remember their "verbal judo" that he remarked upon when they met?

[Kal-ed]

Yes. I did it. I started a thread devoted to the fact that the Chloe/Lex confrontation was painfully like what a Lois/Lex confrontation would be.
It's funny to me that he seems so un-intimidated by Lois, but when Chloe walks in the room, he is on his feet and ready for a real fight. He's afraid of her. Deep down, I think he knows that Chloe could end him.

He didnt look intimidate, please rewatch the scene, he doesnt even feel intimidate by Clark, I think only his dad and Milton Fine have made him look intimidated.

And Chloe didnt expect Lex hacking into her computer, reeeeaaallllyyyy obsesive paranoid, knowledge thirsty Luthor had the computers of HIS papper monitored, specially one of Clark`s friends computers, what a shocker:rolleyes: I blame it on the writers, but it just made Chloe look pretty naive or plain stupid.

[j=kal]

yes, rewatch it, and notice how he even referances lois in the scene, basically mocking chloe.

lex knows she is not a threat to him.

[svtwamedfan05]

yes, rewatch it, and notice how he even referances lois in the scene, basically mocking chloe.

lex knows she is not a threat to him.


That's exactly how I saw it. As a mockery to Chloe.

[Spaniard]

That's exactly how I saw it. As a mockery to Chloe.

I saw it that way too.

Chloe looked pretty stupid and not ILL at all. So no, I don't think that this scene can be used as an argument for the Chlois theory lol

[umm]

I saw it that way too.

Chloe looked pretty stupid and not ILL at all. So no, I don't think that this scene can be used as an argument for the Chlois theory lol

I don't think Chloe looked stupid or was mocked!
I think she, rightly so, feelt her rights were being violated by an overcontrolling ego-maniac, was mad and angry and she was right to act the way she did!
Granted, all she did was huff and puff smoke, but sometimes that's enough, cos Lex needs to get it through his thick scull that he can't do whatever he wants without consequences, even if those consequences are simply being yelled at!
So kuddos to Chloe! And for someone who is well aware that Lex controlles her future in more way than one, she shows time and time again big courage by not being shy to confront him whenever he steps out of line, which he does all the time!

[jazel]

I found the scene funny...Lex "messin" with Chloe's stuff, on the DP computer. IF Chloe is all that smart, why use the DP data base to story ALL your stuff ? Like that aspect of the scene, because she had no right feeling violated, when she's been doing the violating all along.:lol:

[Randy G.]

I really love Chloe, but the way Lex belittled her, & frustrated her, was deliciously evil. The look on her face as she stomped out of the room, was priceless. I thought she was going to bust the glass as she slammed the door. It was a laugh outloud moment. :p

[hanemg]

No, Lex wasn't intimidated. In fact that's why he got up to get in Chloe's face because he knew he could intimidate her. When you're intimidated by someone the last thing you want to do is initiate a confrontation, but when you know you have them cowed or have the upper hand you can make them back down so the intimidation bit is just icing on the cake because you can twist the knife just a little further.

[Twitch]

Okay I really liked this scene, MR and AM are so good together in their scenes. I always enjoy watching Chloe/Lex confrontations.

[Storm45]

No, Lex wasn't intimidated. In fact that's why he got up to get in Chloe's face because he knew he could intimidate her. When you're intimidated by someone the last thing you want to do is initiate a confrontation

I thought that since Chloe was the one who stormed in his office and accused him, she was the one who initiated the confrontation.


Finally, Lex isn't threatened by Chloe or any other reporters. He just decided to buy the DP,installed himself an office the building and monitoring his employees because between organizing weddings and running LuthorCorp he has too much spare time.

[luvinChlark]

I'm glad we got a confrontation between Chloe/Lex. Nobody can never say she ain't tough, she does have backbone. ;)

Also the comment from Lex that goes something like "I thought Lois was the one to write about conspiracy theory's?" What exactly does that mean? Does Lex even take Lois seriously?

[6-Super-Man -5]

Interesting topic, glad you made a thread about this.

[Dor el]

Lex's arrogance came through loud and clear. Few employees would have had the nerve to storm into an arguably unstable boss's office and chew on him like she did. I believe that the scene did show Chloe has intestinal fortitude; just not a lot of real power where Lex is concerned. Not only does Lex have tons of money, he also has the ruthlessness to do whatever pleases him. Chloe has a lot on Lex, but to use it would be very costly for her. She knows this. I think that's one of the reasons Chloe has backed off this season with her attempts to expose Lex. I do think that she will get her mojo back and will be a real thorn in Lex's side. But as I said, it will be costly. Lex will see to. After all, he always "finds a way to win".

[wolverine316]

That scene was laughable. Chloe is nothing but a flea to Lex who can swat her away if he wanted to. I am impressed that he held in his laughter of how pathetic Chloe looked there.

[highdro_pharmer]

Not even close... Chloe is in no position to threaten Lex with a "corporate espionage" think-piece when he's signing the cheques, pretty ballsy though of her to walk in and confront him.

I think Lex respects Chloe's principles as an adversary, but he really doesn't see her as much of a threat. As for Chloe, I think Lex drives her friggin' bonkers cuz she knows he's got the upper hand.

All in all, that kind of tension and frustration makes for a hot couple. If this show were seen on Showcase or Showtime, that scene would've ended in some making of the babies if you know what I mean.;)

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

All in all, that kind of tension and frustration makes for a hot couple. If this show were seen on Showcase or Showtime, that scene would've ended in some making of the babies if you know what I mean.

I'm a fimr beleiver that this show shouldn't end without someone having hate sex! Wether Lexana, Chlex or Clex! ;) But some hate sex is mandatory!!!!

[Dannyblue1]

Also the comment from Lex that goes something like "I thought Lois was the one to write about conspiracy theory's?" What exactly does that mean? Does Lex even take Lois seriously?

At the moment, I'd say he doesn't.

People who are called "conspiracy theorists" usually aren't taken seriously. They are considered folks who jump to wild conclusions without a whole lot to back up their theories, and are usually mocked for their ideas and speculations, and their complete inability to prove any of them.

If you call someone on having "conspiracy theories," you are probably being condescending and patronizing. In fact, I just read an article talking about the amusing conspiracy theories some fans have about networks trying to destroy their favorite shows. By referring to the ideas as "conspiracy theories," the writer was basically writing them off as nonsense.

I think Lex does think of Lois as a conspiracy theorist. She hurls accusations around, and might even be half right about some of it. But she doesn't do what needs to be done to prove any of it before confronting the person she's accusing, which often only manages to give the person she's confronting a heads-up to be more careful.

By comparing Chloe to Lois (or, at least, how he thinks of Lois), Lex was insulting Chloe.

[umm]

Not even close... Chloe is in no position to threaten Lex with a "corporate espionage" think-piece when he's signing the cheques, pretty ballsy though of her to walk in and confront him.

I think Lex respects Chloe's principles as an adversary, but he really doesn't see her as much of a threat. As for Chloe, I think Lex drives her friggin' bonkers cuz she knows he's got the upper hand.

All in all, that kind of tension and frustration makes for a hot couple. If this show were seen on Showcase or Showtime, that scene would've ended in some making of the babies if you know what I mean.;)


Sadly yes, you have just described my worst nightmare! Namely the day where the writers get their heads out of the sand and finaly realise the kind of chemistry going on between Chloe and Lex (AM and MR) and get the crazy, sick idea of writing a storyline along the lines: Lex seduces Chloe, Clark's turns his back on her, she looses her soul, ethics and eventualy sanity during her romance with Lex, eventually ending up in a loonybin, some ditch, etc... Basicaly every horrible scenario you can think off, which is a natural consequence of having been romanticaly involved with Lex 'the Darth Luthor'!

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

^^F off, no effing way, you are reading way too much into that.

[highdro_pharmer]

I'm a fimr beleiver that this show shouldn't end without someone having hate sex! Wether Lexana, Chlex or Clex! ;) But some hate sex is mandatory!!!!


Sadly yes, you have just described my worst nightmare! Namely the day where the writers get their heads out of the sand and finaly realise the kind of chemistry going on between Chloe and Lex (AM and MR) and get the crazy, sick idea of writing a storyline along the lines: Lex seduces Chloe, Clark's turns his back on her, she looses her sould, ethics and eventualy sanity during her romance with Lex, eventually ending up in a loonybin, some ditch, etc...

Hahaha, both sides of the gun with that idea.

To Chlex or not to Chlex? - that is the question. I think maybe I've just been watching too much of that show Californication lately. Gotta love that smutty goodness.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Chloe hates Lex, Clark dislikes Lex but thinks he is capable of redemtion, Lana loathes lex with every fibre of her body, Lionel knows Lex for exactly what he is, Lois dislikes Lex but has less reason than anyone else, Kara has yet to learn the important lesson.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Hahaha, both sides of the gun with that idea.

To Chlex or not to Chlex? - that is the question. I think maybe I've just been watching too much of that show Californication lately. Gotta love that smutty goodness.

Oh no I don't Chlex (I only like imposible or dead ships on this show :() I just want some hate sex. Come on every show has it. ;)

[highdro_pharmer]

Lana loathes lex with every fibre of her body

In the episode 'Wrath,' Lana is beating the hell out of Lex and then ends up giving him one hell of an angry hate kiss... so who says a little angry lovin' can't happen or isn't realistic?

Often times people loathe someone because they don't know how to handle the attraction they feel for them, so they resist it and try to pretend it isn't there. What they are attracted to are the qualities in the other person that they themselves possess.

You don't think that deep down Chloe is extremely attracted to Lex's power and self-confidence? Or that Lex isn't extremely attracted by the way that Chloe is constantly challenging his authority? They are "two sides of the same coin" as Jonathan Kent would say, both remarkably similar in that they go for what they want and are in a constant search for truth.

You can't loathe someone that much without having some pent up sexual attraction, and I just think that you can't deny that there is a chemical attraction between Chloe and Lex... I'm not saying they're going to get married, it's strictly a primal instinct.

"We ain't nothin' but mammals" after all.

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Oh no I don't Chlex (I only like imposible or dead ships on this show :() I just want some hate sex. Come on every show has it. ;)

Haha, that's what I meant actually.... I meant Chlex in the sense of a one time massive hookup that's all.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

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We ain't nothin' but mammals" after all.

I hope you never tried to seduce a woman with that line :lol:


Haha, that's what I meant actually.... I meant Chlex in the sense of a one time massive hookup that's all.

I don't know if you watched Angel but we got a very hot pair with Lyla and Wesley and it was all out of pure hate and Buffy and Spike did the nasty on Buffy:TVS in the heat of a big fight so yeah I'm a fan of hate sex and I could take anything heck, Chloe is legal and closer to Lionel so who knows ;)...I'm such a pervert:cool:

[kasealaine]

I think that the fact that Lex is monitoring her computer shows that he is intimidated by her. Yes, he has access to everyone's computer, but you know he is looking at hers more closely because she knows the truth about him. If he didn't feel intimidated, why bug her computer?
The only other explanation is that he hopes to find something about Clark on there. That's not completely unlikely, but I'm inclined to think that it's a combination of the two.

[jazel]

I think that the fact that Lex is monitoring her computer shows that he is intimidated by her.

Lex intimidated by Chloe ? I don't think so. How long has he known about CK's and Chloe's friendship ? Lex is a smart-smart man, and he knows CK has secrets, but can't out them without the proof CK's friends could give....aka the attitude w/ Pete and Chloe, AND the reason he's being so helpful with Kara. Lex is manipulitive, he plays EVERYBODY. I like the idea of Lex being controlling when it comes to Chloe. I mean he does know she has a meteor power. Perfect set-up for the evil, dastardly villian Lex will ultimately become.

[highdro_pharmer]

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I hope you never tried to seduce a woman with that line :lol:
Nah, I usually go with "You know, your clothes may say disco, but your eyes say rock n' roll. Hi, I'm Dave Grohl." If she has any idea who that is, I know she's rock and roll.


I don't know if you watched Angel but we got a very hot pair with Lyla and Wesley and it was all out of pure hate and Buffy and Spike did the nasty on Buffy:TVS in the heat of a big fight so yeah I'm a fan of hate sex and I could take anything heck, Chloe is legal and closer to Lionel so who knows ;)...I'm such a pervert:cool:

I never got into Buffy but I loved SMG in Cruel Intentions. You know what I thought was always freak nasty? That scene from 'Transference' at the Torch where Lionel seduces Chloe while inhabiting Clark... Lionel's swagger had Chloe eating out of the palm of Clark's hand.
Or the scene where Lionel-Clark hugs Martha in the barn and then with the fire and the Martha reaction and the hey-hey... ok now I'm just out-perving you all!

But honestly, if Clark were to just act like Lionel all the time, he'd be a lot less of a brood prude I can tell you that. He'd just need the fire extinguisher on stand-by.

[Dannyblue1]

Lex intimidated by Chloe ? I don't think so.

I think everyone's stuck on the word "intimidated," which sort of implies that Lex is afraid of her.

Is Lex afraid of Chloe? Not really.

Does Lex believe Chloe could do some damage if she put her mind to it and was left unchecked? Yes. In fact, he has pretty solid proof of that she can.

Since people keep bringing up BtVS, the situation with Lex and Chloe is similar to that between the Mayor and the Scoobies. The Mayor never really seemed afraid of Buffy and the gang. He was pretty confident he would win. That didn't mean he didn't know they could cause him heaps of trouble. He just believed that he could handle them. And, to cut down on the amount of trouble they could cause, he did things to distract them, cause trouble within their ranks, demoralize them, etc.

Lex doesn't have to actually be afraid of Chloe to consider her a threat.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Does Lex believe Chloe could do some damage if she put her mind to it and was left unchecked? Yes. In fact, he has pretty solid proof of that she can.

Lex doesn't have to actually be afraid of Chloe to consider her a threat.

I think that these are very interesting and accurate observations.

Lex has the power right now, but we have yet to see the last of this fight.

[Vergon6]

I think Lex has been monitoring Chloe's computer and everyone else's for that matter, to gather any information he likes. It's not that he considers Chloe a threat necessarily, but that she seems to have this knack for leaving important information on her work computer (as I am sure everyone on the show does, for convenience of the plot), so he probably figured she would slip up and leave some information that he could use, such as info about Clark.

I mean Clark and her seem to have open discussions in the basement of the Daily Planet in front of the all the other reporters about his powers and talking about Krypton, that if Lex installed listening devices, he could learn Clark's secret. He could just ask one of the other reporters, but they seem to have selective hearing at this point.

[skylar]

I think Lex is a little scared of Chloe. If he wasn't he wouldn't have brought the clone of his brother to take over Planet to watch over Chloe and Lois for that matter. He knows that the both of them are close to finding everthing about him.
I was happy to see Chloe stand up for what is right.
Lex is an ass!

[umm]

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I hope you never tried to seduce a woman with that line :lol:



I don't know if you watched Angel but we got a very hot pair with Lyla and Wesley and it was all out of pure hate and Buffy and Spike did the nasty on Buffy:TVS in the heat of a big fight so yeah I'm a fan of hate sex and I could take anything heck, Chloe is legal and closer to Lionel so who knows ;)...I'm such a pervert:cool:



Oh yeah, there was a great show, 'Angel', and a great love-hate relationship between Wesley and Lilah, much like the one between Cordelia and Xander on 'Buffy'!
Talk about love during the night and hate during the daylight!:):rotfl:

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Nah, I usually go with "You know, your clothes may say disco, but your eyes say rock n' roll. Hi, I'm Dave Grohl." If she has any idea who that is, I know she's rock and roll.

I bet that works all the time :rolleyes:



I never got into Buffy but I loved SMG in Cruel Intentions. You know what I thought was always freak nasty? That scene from 'Transference' at the Torch where Lionel seduces Chloe while inhabiting Clark... Lionel's swagger had Chloe eating out of the palm of Clark's hand.

Yeah I loved that scene but I think he also felt some atraction to the tiny blond it wasn't so easy to pull out for him ;)


Or the scene where Lionel-Clark hugs Martha in the barn and then with the fire and the Martha reaction and the hey-hey... ok now I'm just out-perving you all!

EWwwwwww


But honestly, if Clark were to just act like Lionel all the time, he'd be a lot less of a brood prude I can tell you that. He'd just need the fire extinguisher on stand-by.

Oh I don't know I like it when he does it once in a while but I rather have cute afraid of boobies Clark few (or none) men are like that in real life so I enjoy it on fiction as much as posible.

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Oh yeah, there was a great show, 'Angel', and a great love-hate relationship between Wesley and Lilah, much like the one between Cordelia and Xander on 'Buffy'!
Talk about love during the night and hate during the daylight!:):rotfl:

I was more into Wesley and Lilah who knew shy smart watchers could be so pervy ;)

[umm]

I was more into Wesley and Lilah who knew shy smart watchers could be so pervy ;)[/QUOTE]


You know what they say, still waters run deep! And in Wesley's case sexy and kinky deep!:rotfl::rotfl:

[highdro_pharmer]

Yeah I loved that scene but I think he also felt some atraction to the tiny blond it wasn't so easy to pull out for him ;)

Well natch, who among us could?



EWwwwwww
A-ha! So you do have limits to your forward-thinking, liberal-minded European ideals. I guess we have to draw the line somewhere, and why not at Angry Alien Hate Sex (AAHS).


Oh I don't know I like it when he does it once in a while but I rather have cute afraid of boobies Clark few (or none) men are like that in real life so I enjoy it on fiction as much as posible.
I guess women like the chase better than the catch.:confused:



I was more into Wesley and Lilah who knew shy smart watchers could be so pervy ;)
So I guess we could add 'voyeurism' to that list:rotfl:



You know what they say, still waters run deep! And in Wesleys case sexy and kinky deep!:rotfl::rotfl:

... And I always thought that 'Angel' was some kind of religious, faith-based drama like 7th Heaven - now I just might have to check it out!

[ginnyfan]

Fan theories aside... I was very thrilled to see Chloe confronting Lex. Like a lot of things in the episode, the context was wack! You're too frightened to take Lex down for experimenting on people, but you're going to get him for monitoring the computers for his own newspaper?

I enjoyed the scene. I think Lex has always gotten a twisted pleasure out of hurting Chloe. I don't think he was intimidated though. He basically told her it was his way or the highway. She stalked out (great bouncy hair) and slammed the door. On any other show I would hope for follow up. *sigh* Maybe she'll rethink sitting on her 33.1 story.

[chlo-el]

I think that Lex is threatened by both Lois and Chloe. Because why would Lex go through the trouble in buying the Daily Planet. Lex likes control and he knows that both girls have seen things that threatening his control of things and could possibly put him in priaon so he has bought the Planet in attempt to control both girls. And he hasn't fired them yet because while he is there boss he can control what they write.

Lex wouldn't bother to try to control either girl if they didn't pose some kind of threat to them. That is why he tries to belittle both girls.

Anyway I loved the Chloe/Lex confrontations.

Chloe has so many reasons to be afraid of him. he does have so much more control over her life and yet she still confronts him.

[eas]

I think that the fact that Lex is monitoring her computer shows that he is intimidated by her. Yes, he has access to everyone's computer, but you know he is looking at hers more closely because she knows the truth about him. If he didn't feel intimidated, why bug her computer?
The only other explanation is that he hopes to find something about Clark on there. That's not completely unlikely, but I'm inclined to think that it's a combination of the two.

He's monitoring everyone's computer, not just Chloe's.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I thought it was kinda lame that Chloe went in there all cheesed off, Lex just nonchalantly told her she could go work at the Inquistor if she wants too, and Chloe seemed like she didn't expect that . . . Really Chloe?

You didn't expect that getting p*ssy with Lex Luthor, who now owns the Planet, would bring about the threat of termination?

It seems strange that Lex would keep Lois and Chloe on the payroll though, considering how much they both dislike him . . then again maybe that is his way of keeping the cousins on a short leash.

[eas]

At the moment, I'd say he doesn't.

People who are called "conspiracy theorists" usually aren't taken seriously. They are considered folks who jump to wild conclusions without a whole lot to back up their theories, and are usually mocked for their ideas and speculations, and their complete inability to prove any of them.

If you call someone on having "conspiracy theories," you are probably being condescending and patronizing. In fact, I just read an article talking about the amusing conspiracy theories some fans have about networks trying to destroy their favorite shows. By referring to the ideas as "conspiracy theories," the writer was basically writing them off as nonsense.

I think Lex does think of Lois as a conspiracy theorist. She hurls accusations around, and might even be half right about some of it. But she doesn't do what needs to be done to prove any of it before confronting the person she's accusing, which often only manages to give the person she's confronting a heads-up to be more careful.

By comparing Chloe to Lois (or, at least, how he thinks of Lois), Lex was insulting Chloe.

He says that Lois is a conspiracy theorist, because it works to his advantage to label Lois Lane that way. In point of fact, he knows (and the audience knows that he knows) that the majority of stories that Lois has been chasing after are quite true and her leads will take her down a path that does not bode well for him, should she succeed. So, yes, he be dismissive of Lois to another character, but this does not mean that this is how he views her, necessarily.

And it is a character trait of Lex's that he's quite mocking of anyone who thinks they can take him on - he's an arrogant a$$. That's what makes him Lex Luthor. So he'll be mocking to Chloe in this case, and quite mocking to Lois in the future. He'll never show fear and intimidation.

So to think that he's somehow intimidated by a young woman - who is his employee - barging in and spouting nonsense about privacy and rights regarding company computers is makes no sense. Especially given what we know of Lex and Chloe's background and what we know about Lex's personality vs. Chloe's personality. Chloe will never have the upper hand with Lex Luthor as long as he knows her secret and knows that she knows Clark's secret. And, now, as icing on the cake, he's signing her paychecks. For a job that she doesn't want to put on the line. He has no reason, what-so-ever, to be intimadated by Chloe and that scene reflected that pretty clearly.

[aqgalaxy]

He didnt look intimidate, please rewatch the scene, he doesnt even feel intimidate by Clark, I think only his dad and Milton Fine have made him look intimidated.


Yeah that's why he even bothered to get on his feet, glare at her, nostrils flare a bit and yell at her. He tried to mock her to send her off, Chloe stood her ground, not backing off as he approached.

[umm]

I think that Lex is threatened by both Lois and Chloe. Because why would Lex go through the trouble in buying the Daily Planet. Lex likes control and he knows that both girls have seen things that threatening his control of things and could possibly put him in priaon so he has bought the Planet in attempt to control both girls. And he hasn't fired them yet because while he is there boss he can control what they write.

Lex wouldn't bother to try to control either girl if they didn't pose some kind of threat to them. That is why he tries to belittle both girls.

Chloe has so many reasons to be afraid of him. he does have so much more control over her life and yet she still confronts him.

I wouldn't go that far as to say that he is threatened of either Lois or Chloe, but he is wary of the complications those two might pose for him and his shady doings, he fully well knows aren't on the legal side, which is the reason he likes his secrets so much!
And being the charmingly sickening controlfreak that he is, he would rather keep an close eye on Lois and Chloe, hence the buying of 'Daily Planet'! You know the drill: 'keep your friends close, your enemies closer!'

[eas]

Yeah that's why he even bothered to get on his feet, glare at her, nostrils flare a bit and yell at her. He tried to mock her to send her off, Chloe stood her ground, not backing off as he approached.

I think she did back off and looked quite put in her place. As she should have - she was completely out of line. She came off looking like a fool in this scene. He owns the Daily Planet. Therefore, he owns all the computers. The majority of companies in the world have an computer policy where they can access a worker's computer at any time. In fact, many people I knew at Merrill Lynch were fired for using computers for personal stuff.

So, really, this was not exactly a stellar Chloe scene, imo. She looked like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum, to me.

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I wouldn't go that far as to say that he is threatened of either Lois or Chloe, but he is wary of the complications those two might pose for him concerning his shady doings, he fullt well knows aren't on the legal side, which is the reason he likes his secrets so much! And being the charmingly sickening controlfreak that he is, he would rather keep an close eye on Lois and Chloé hence the buying of 'Daily Planet'! You know the drill: 'keep your friends close, your enemies closer!'

I think it has more to do with Kara and Clark.

Chloe is Clark's best friend and is a meteor freak. So he wants to keep tabs on her.

Lois is Clark's friend (and investigating Lex, which causes him no little amusement) and is now getting to know Kara.

I think he'll keep tabs on them just to see if they come in handy when it comes to the Kara/Clark 'secrets and lies' thing.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Well natch, who among us could?

I'm a girl so I wouldn't know :p


A-ha! So you do have limits to your forward-thinking, liberal-minded European ideals.

I'm latin :confused: and pretty much anything close to incest is just EWWWWWW


I guess we have to draw the line somewhere, and why not at Angry Alien Hate Sex (AAHS).

As long as the aliens aren't related I'm all for it ;)


I guess women like the chase better than the catch.:confused:

Oh no that is just me. Is not the rule. Most girls are the prey I'm a hunter... and a damn good one ;)



So I guess we could add 'voyeurism' to that list:rotfl:

I plegde to the fith amendment :p


... And I always thought that 'Angel' was some kind of religious, faith-based drama like 7th Heaven - now I just might have to check it out!

Heh yeah you could think that. Really check it out is really cool and dark and sexy and FYI even though I had the hots for Lylah and Wesley by heart was with Wesley and Fred :(

[umm]

Well natch, who among us could?


A-ha! So you do have limits to your forward-thinking, liberal-minded European ideals. I guess we have to draw the line somewhere, and why not at Angry Alien Hate Sex (AAHS).

I guess women like the chase better than the catch.:confused:


So I guess we could add 'voyeurism' to that list:rotfl:



... And I always thought that 'Angel' was some kind of religious, faith-based drama like 7th Heaven - now I just might have to check it out!


Some kind of religious, ..... There is nothing remotaly religious about 'Angel', except the fact that the main character, a 250-year old vampire with a soul named Angel, who fights other vampires, demons and general supernatural bad guys looks, has an face of an angel and the body of a greek God!:);) besides the general good looks of every actor and actress involved, the show has everything: drama, action, at times komedic relief, angstridden romance, sexual tension between people who fight on opposites side, etc...
I mean it's an experience, I assure you! It's a real shame it got cancelled after only 5 seasons!

[jetsfan1970]

Lex's arrogance came through loud and clear. Few employees would have had the nerve to storm into an arguably unstable boss's office and chew on him like she did. I believe that the scene did show Chloe has intestinal fortitude; just not a lot of real power where Lex is concerned. Not only does Lex have tons of money, he also has the ruthlessness to do whatever pleases him. Chloe has a lot on Lex, but to use it would be very costly for her. She knows this. I think that's one of the reasons Chloe has backed off this season with her attempts to expose Lex. I do think that she will get her mojo back and will be a real thorn in Lex's side. But as I said, it will be costly. Lex will see to. After all, he always "finds a way to win".

i partialy agree i think one of the main reasons she has backed off the "big Expose" of lex and his actions are her dealings with oliver queen and the group he has set up to take on lex and level 33.1. Chloe realizes her best chance of doing permanet damge to lex is through them not only because they have the physcial powers to defeat him but through oliver they have the finacial and political contacts to be able to fight him on a level playing field. Much more than a cub reporter who is doing obit's and classifed ads for the daily planet

[smallvillelogan]

It's funny to me that he seems so un-intimidated by Lois, but when Chloe walks in the room, he is on his feet and ready for a real fight. He's afraid of her. Deep down, I think he knows that Chloe could end him.

That is why I think Lex's final step into the complete evil Lex Luthor could be to kill her, as painful that is for me to think about because every Smallville fan is a Chloe fan, it seems.

[rebukey]

I have nothing but love for Chloe, but I wonder what she really thought would happen here? Telling off Lex was not going to get her files back, but maybe it just made her feel better to tell him what she thought of his business ethics. In any case, I really liked that scene and applaud Chloe for standing up to Lex yet again.

BTW, not ALL of Chloe's file were on that computer. She knows better, probably from her experience with daddy Luther in season 3. Remember when Lionel took all the Torch computers back and she asked him if he really thought that she would be so stupid as to put Clark's file on the school computers. I'm sure that all her personal files (Clark's, the digital Wall of Weird, ext.) are safe and secure somewhere else.

Some have said that Lex is not at all intimidated by Chloe and that she is nothing more that a flea. I disagree to an extent. Lex has always been aware of the power of the press. We see that from his relationships with Carrie Castle, Roger Nixon, and now the DP. Lex also recognizes Chloe's habit of sticking her nose in his business and getting in the way of his plans. Even at the beginning of their relationship we see this respect for Chloe's investigative prowess. For example, in s1 ep15, Lex warns Dr. Hamilton about Chloe possibly finding out the truth behind the nicodemus outbreak, which was one reason for moving Hamilton's lab.
Now, I don't think that Lex in any way feels like he can't handle Chloe, but he understands that she is someone who needs to be handled in order to protect his interests.

[Storm45]

I think it has more to do with Kara and Clark.

Chloe is Clark's best friend and is a meteor freak. So he wants to keep tabs on her.

Lois is Clark's friend (and investigating Lex, which causes him no little amusement) and is now getting to know Kara.
I think he'll keep tabs on them just to see if they come in handy when it comes to the Kara/Clark 'secrets and lies' thing.


Lex is indeed interested in aliens and freaks but is also a megalomaniac and a criminal. Men like him has better interest in controlling the press, in fact that's one of the priorities.
Lois and Chloe who happens to be on his case are working on the most reputed paper in the country if not the world.

[euterpe]

I think she did back off and looked quite put in her place. As she should have - she was completely out of line. She came off looking like a fool in this scene. He owns the Daily Planet. Therefore, he owns all the computers. The majority of companies in the world have an computer policy where they can access a worker's computer at any time. In fact, many people I knew at Merrill Lynch were fired for using computers for personal stuff.

So, really, this was not exactly a stellar Chloe scene, imo. She looked like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum, to me.

That was my thought exactly. Every business I've ever worked for had the capability and right to monitor my emails as well as any websites visited and files saved. And I was fully aware of that. Those computers belong to the DP and they have proprietary rights to anything saved on them. If Chloe is really as smart as she is supposed to be, there should not be anything on her work computer about Clark, Justice League, 33.1, etc. I thought she looked like a total fool confronting Lex about something he has every right to do and is done every day in corporations worldwide.

As for Lex, he recognizes Chloe as a person who needs to be monitored because of the knowledge she possesses. But she has a lot more to lose than Lex, if it came down to exposing each other's secrets, and she knows it... and so does Lex. That's why she continually backs down and Lex continually looks smug.

[kasealaine]

I have a couple of thoughts on why Chloe would barge in and demand an explanation of Lex. First of all, I think that there's still a part of her that sees him as Clark's old best friend. I mean, she met him while he was still sane. She has something of a relationship with him- even if it is mired in distrust and hate now. It makes sense to me that you would demand an answer from someone that you were well acquainted with, even if you knew it wouldn't make a difference. Sometimes, it really is just the principle of the thing.
Also, I kind of wonder if there are different laws about privacy when you're working somewhere like a paper. If your computer is being monitored, someone could easily scoop your story. Also, but monitoring computers, an editor could stop some stories from even being written, which is limiting the press in its ability to do its job effectively. Most of what a reporter does has to be secret. I'm nearly positive nothing damaging to Clark or the Justice League was on the computer (because there would have been some major repercussions from that), but her sources and leads were probably all there.
Reporters are private. I studied to be one (didn't finish, which is why I'm not sure about the laws regarding computers)-- and privacy is key.

[ginnyfan]

I just read a wonderful review of this episode. The person pointed out the strangeness of a hacker arguing the importance of privacy. LOL!

[highdro_pharmer]

I have a couple of thoughts on why Chloe would barge in and demand an explanation of Lex. First of all, I think that there's still a part of her that sees him as Clark's old best friend. I mean, she met him while he was still sane. She has something of a relationship with him- even if it is mired in distrust and hate now. It makes sense to me that you would demand an answer from someone that you were well acquainted with, even if you knew it wouldn't make a difference. Sometimes, it really is just the principle of the thing.


Interesting theory, and given Chloe's ability to heal it makes a lot of sense. It would seem that her powers stem from the reaction of the kryptonite with her deep emotional sense of empathy.

[Dannyblue1]

That was my thought exactly. Every business I've ever worked for had the capability and right to monitor my emails as well as any websites visited and files saved. And I was fully aware of that. Those computers belong to the DP and they have proprietary rights to anything saved on them. If Chloe is really as smart as she is supposed to be, there should not be anything on her work computer about Clark, Justice League, 33.1, etc. I thought she looked like a total fool confronting Lex about something he has every right to do and is done every day in corporations worldwide.

First, I thought Chloe's anger wasn't just from the fact that Lex was spying, but because whatever he'd done was keeping her from getting her work done. (At the start of the episode, she was struggling with her computer.) She probably only learned about the spying because she went to ask the IT guys what the heck was wrong with the computer system, meaning she was already worked up anyway.

Second, I very much doubt Chloe had anything that shouldn't be seen by others on the office computer. If she did, Lex would now know everyone's secrets, and the show would be over.

Third, since the IT department had to rig this up especially for Lex, it would seem that monitoring their employees' computers wasn't something the DP had done in the past. (Perhaps to give the reporters a sense of privacy, the feeling that things they didn't want others to see--like the names of sources--weren't being seen, etc.) Chloe wouldn't be the first employee ticked off by a sudden change in policy, even if the change is something the company has a "right to do."

Fourth, I don't see anything wrong with Chloe confronting Lex. Maybe if he were a virtual stranger, a strongly worded letter would've done the trick. But, given their personal history, why not confront him face to face, if for no other reason than to blow off steam?

[Dor el]

That is why I think Lex's final step into the complete evil Lex Luthor could be to kill her, as painful that is for me to think about because every Smallville fan is a Chloe fan, it seems.

I agree. I thought the scene was put in just to set the stage for a Chloe/Lex showdown. One in which Lex betters Chloe in a really big way. Lex has threatened Chloe and Chloe's mother, and Chloe is well aware of what Lex could/would do to Clark if he should discover the whole truth about Clark. Any time Chloe defies Lex, she takes a huge risk. After all, Lex is a powerful man of means.

[eas]

I have a couple of thoughts on why Chloe would barge in and demand an explanation of Lex. First of all, I think that there's still a part of her that sees him as Clark's old best friend. I mean, she met him while he was still sane. She has something of a relationship with him- even if it is mired in distrust and hate now. It makes sense to me that you would demand an answer from someone that you were well acquainted with, even if you knew it wouldn't make a difference. Sometimes, it really is just the principle of the thing.

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Reporters are private. I studied to be one (didn't finish, which is why I'm not sure about the laws regarding computers)-- and privacy is key.

I don't see any reason why journalists would be exempt from these sorts of rules that companies have towards their computer systems. Sure, there's a fear of plagarism, but the same sorts of business ethics are an issue in financial companies (where one broker could steal another broker's clients' files for example) or banks or in academia (where one academic/scholar could steal another person's books, articles or research). However, universities and financial institutions have complete access to employees' computers. I see no reason why the New York Times wouldn't do the same.

In this case, Chloe came off looking bad to me for two reasons: (1) it wasn't a legitimate complaint against Lex. He had every right to do what he did. And (2) she was being a hypocrite. The majority of what she accomplishes every day is through hacking people's computers - whether it be corporations, personal computers, or owned by the government. So what right does she have to talk about ethics when it comes to computers?

And we can't use the excuse that she does for good, because there's a reason these laws exist. Even alleged criminals have rights in the U.S. That's why illegal search and seizure can never hold up in a court.

[euterpe]

In this case, Chloe came off looking bad to me for two reasons: (1) it wasn't a legitimate complaint against Lex. He had every right to do what he did. And (2) she was being a hypocrite. The majority of what she accomplishes every day is through hacking people's computers - whether it be corporations, personal computers, or owned by the government. So what right does she have to talk about ethics when it comes to computers?

And we can't use the excuse that she does for good, because there's a reason these laws exist. Even alleged criminals have rights in the U.S. That's why illegal search and seizure can never hold up in a court.

Exactly! Chloe is as big a hypocrite as Clark. I've lost track of the number of privacy laws Chloe has broken in her search for "truth". Just because you think your cause is just does not give you the right to commit felonies or misdemeanors. By doing so she is no better than what she claims to be against. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[smallvillelogan]

Yeah, when I saw the episode I thought it was OK for the head of a media company like a newspaper to have access to their employee's computers. But still, I think it's interesting to see how Chloe and Clark are going to have a hard time trying to do what's right when Lex is monitoring her now.

[Lostfan588]

Yes. I did it. I started a thread devoted to the fact that the Chloe/Lex confrontation was painfully like what a Lois/Lex confrontation would be.
It's funny to me that he seems so un-intimidated by Lois, but when Chloe walks in the room, he is on his feet and ready for a real fight. He's afraid of her. Deep down, I think he knows that Chloe could end him.


:lol:You are awesome. YES. The Chlex is heating up again for sure.

[rissaroo689]

I'm a fimr beleiver that this show shouldn't end without someone having hate sex! Wether Lexana, Chlex or Clex! ;) But some hate sex is mandatory!!!!

yes on the chlex hate sex. i'd love to see some of that.

no on the lexana though.