View Full Version : Is Clark as noble as he said he is?
Nanites
03-14-2008, 11:43 AM
When Lionel took Kara's bracelet's, Clark consider that stealing! But when Clark took Kara's bracelet, he consider that safekeeping and for Kara's own good. Look at what happen last time Clark took Kara's crystal for safekeeping? he unleash Zo-el and almost kill of humankind. SO DOES THAT MEANS WHOEVER COMMIT QUESTIONABLE THINGS, THEY ARE THE BAD GUYS? AND WHEN CLARK DOES IT, IT'S CONSIDERED NOBLE? :confused:
boywithbluehanger
03-14-2008, 11:48 AM
I don't remember Clark saying he's noble... :\
smallvillefx
03-14-2008, 11:52 AM
Kara is confused about her past atm and I guess he doesn't want her to know until she's ready. Plus helping Lex figure out his secret probably isn't Clark's top priority:D
Nanites
03-14-2008, 11:55 AM
I don't remember Clark saying he's noble... :\
THe way he said to LIonel, "You and I need to talk" n then hide it afterward in the barn prove he is a hypocrite. HOW HE JUSTIFIED WHAT HE DID VS. WHAT LIONEL DID THE EXACT THING?
smallvillefx
03-14-2008, 11:58 AM
Lionel probably has a darker ulterior motive with keeping the bracelet then Clark. His background speaks for itself.
MidgardDragon
03-14-2008, 12:01 PM
When Pete was going to steal from Lionel he was stealing something that did not belong to him or his family. When Clark took the bracelet he was taking BACK something that originally belonged to his cousin.
lauraforever
03-14-2008, 12:01 PM
No, Clark should just GIVE it to Kara, when they have an opportunity to talk again. It's like the blue crystal all over again, but this time it's her bracelet.
MidgardDragon
03-14-2008, 12:24 PM
Who says Clark doesn't plan on giving it to Kara once he manages to help her get her memory back? Remember, he is hiding her past from her because it will be hard for her to accept, not because he doesn't want her to remember. The bracelet is being hid for the same reason. He doesn't plan on not giving it to her, he plans on waiting until the right time.
All about Clark
03-14-2008, 12:39 PM
The problem is that Lionel knew it belonged to Kara, a kryptonian. Kryptonian artifacts should remain with the kryptonians. It wasn't Lionel's place to keep it, and Clark only has it because he plans to return it to her. Nothing ugly about that motive. He's just waiting for the right moment to tell her and return her bracelet. We all know that Lionel was not going to return the bracelet like Clark would. I love how people on this site like to turn Clark into a villian. NOT!
curiosity
03-14-2008, 12:43 PM
When Lionel took Kara's bracelet's, Clark consider that stealing! But when Clark took Kara's bracelet, he consider that safekeeping and for Kara's own good. Look at what happen last time Clark took Kara's crystal for safekeeping? he unleash Zo-el and almost kill of humankind. SO DOES THAT MEANS WHOEVER COMMIT QUESTIONABLE THINGS, THEY ARE THE BAD GUYS? AND WHEN CLARK DOES IT, IT'S CONSIDERED NOBLE?
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:
smallvillefx
03-14-2008, 12:48 PM
Plus it's not like the bracelet contains the DNA of some psycho kryptonian..
Bracelet - Crystal hmm not really comparable
minerva73
03-14-2008, 12:52 PM
I agree with everyone about Clark keeping it for Kara because he was planning to give it back later unlike Lionel who had wrong motives. And truly, Clark didn't know that Zor-El would be released when he found Lara. He just thought that he would be releasing Lara since the only DNA that he knew was in the crystal was Lara's. You can't blame him for making mistakes. Even Supes makes mistakes... :\
smallvillefx
03-14-2008, 12:53 PM
I HATE LEX!!!
sry just had to get that out..
curiosity
03-14-2008, 12:56 PM
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:
OR......he could just let Kara have it so she could let Lex anaylize it and find that it's made of material of alien origin. There is NO reference or comparison between Superman/Clark and Jesus, Superman and Jesus are not the same or alike in any way, Superman is not religion, therefore I cannot vote here.
ClarksGal
03-14-2008, 01:12 PM
Lionel had no right to keep the bracelet, it makes sense that Clark took it back. I believe he has every intention of giving it to Kara, even if he doesn't do it right away. Telling someone they're an alien is a delicate matter, after all!!!
Andrese
03-14-2008, 01:22 PM
keeping a secret from somebody because he (she in both cases) is not ready wich then drives that person to lex.
havn`t we been there done that got the wedding album?!
Dor el
03-14-2008, 01:33 PM
Clark watched Lex take advantage of Kara's amnesia and work on her mind in Fracture. Clark has seen Lex's work in the past. Lex has made no secret of the fact that he is very curious about Clark and anything Clarkish and will go to any lengths to uncover Clark's secret. It is clear that Kara is falling for Lex's "I only want to help you" scheme. I assume that Kara would give Lex the bracelet if she thought "it might help Lex help her regain her memory". And of course Lex would make her think along those lines. Clark knows this. He may be a BDA in love, but Clark is not an idiot otherwise. Not only would Clark's secret and safety be in jeopardy, but Kara's would too. It is noble to protect Kara. Whether she realizes it or not, Lex is a very dangerous man.
All about Clark
03-14-2008, 04:28 PM
Yes but the problem is that Clark gives people just enough rope to hang themselves.
This seemed a perfect time for Clark to sit Kara down and tell her not only of her origins, but the dangers of Lex. He should have gone with his gut, however, Lionel and Lana talked him out of it. Clark's life is so up and down, that he should have told her while things are calm.
What bothers me is that Clark should have learned by now the Lex will grab onto any morsel he can get. He lost Lana to Lex because of his delay and now it's happening again. And by the way, shame on you PTB for this repeated storyline.
Eri-El
03-14-2008, 05:17 PM
Clark took the bracelet because it's Kryptonian.....Lionel, (Even though he is OR was
Jor-El's embassary), has no place keeping it.....esspecially keeping it a secret from Clark.
smallvillefx
03-14-2008, 05:32 PM
Clark and Lionel should arm wrestle for the bracelet.
msleggie
03-14-2008, 06:49 PM
Clark should have given Kara her bracelet back, it was the right thing to do. Clark always makes the wrong decision in these situations, he always lies and hides things. He doesn't have to lie about everything, he should have learned by now that this is one of the instances where telling the truth could be beneficial to him! He makes me so mad sometimes with his choices.
smallvillefx
03-14-2008, 07:22 PM
It's frustrating but it keeps us watching
Nazmul
03-15-2008, 02:57 AM
Clark has serious trust issues. I think Lana is not helping it by encouraging him to lie to Kara. Didn't Clark say it himself that the bracelet might bring back her memory in the beginning of the episode then how come he is not giving it to her. I think Clark needs lot more growing up.
smallvillefx
03-15-2008, 08:11 AM
First he needs to convince Kara not to take it to Lex.
Dor el
03-15-2008, 08:12 AM
This seemed a perfect time for Clark to sit Kara down and tell her not only of her origins, but the dangers of Lex. He should have gone with his gut, however, Lionel and Lana talked him out of it. Clark's life is so up and down, that he should have told her while things are calm.
What bothers me is that Clark should have learned by now the Lex will grab onto any morsel he can get. He lost Lana to Lex because of his delay and now it's happening again. And by the way, shame on you PTB for this repeated storyline.
Yes, Clark wanted to tell Kara the whole truth but Lana and Lionel both convinced him not to do that. Remember Clark told Lana he was gonna do everything he could to see that they trusted each other again (Haha, maybe this is a first step for him.) Clark's judgment to listen to those two may be in question, but I think his intent/motives are right on. Have things really been calm around Clark and Kara of late. I would expect that amnesia would make a person anything but calm.
You're right about Lex and his determined crusade. I do not think that Clark expected Kara to go to Lex for refuge. I do think that Clark expected Lex to go after Kara, and because of that, he didn't want to give her too much information which, if you think about it, is so incredible that it would be easy for Kara not to believe Clark and then go running to someone and "uncork the Kent family secret". It has already been established that Kara is uncomfortable with Clark since her encounter with the amnesia bug, and the likelihood of her believing the far out story Clark has to tell her is highly improbable. Clark has much to consider before he takes action. In the past, regardless of what Clark did, things almost often turned out unexpectantly worse than he wanted. I'm thinking "gun shy".
98chase
03-15-2008, 10:16 AM
If I were Clark, I would have hidden the bracelet too. Kara trusts Lex more than anyone right now, is living with him, and will share all info into her past with him first. If Clark gives Kara that bracelet, she immediately takes it to Lex, further fueling Lex's interest in Clark/Kara's past. If I were Clark, I'd wait until Kara had her memory back before I gave her the bracelet, for the sole purpose of keeping it out of Lex's possession.
Nanites
03-15-2008, 01:41 PM
Even if every1 in this post said it's true. The fact is that everyone has an ulterior motive for keeping secrets, even heroes as noble clark is. It's just like what Joey from friends said, there is no such thing as a good deed. Villains are much more open about it, there is no gray area for them, simply put-just put black and white. Plus, Clark jump the gun when he assumed that lionel kept the bracelet for the evil purpose. You can't just brand someone as a villain just because they have done you wrong in the past
curiosity
03-15-2008, 02:02 PM
Even if every1 in this post said it's true. The fact is that everyone has an ulterior motive for keeping secrets, even heroes as noble clark is. It's just like what Joey from friends said, there is no such thing as a good deed. Villains are much more open about it, there is no gray area for them, simply put-just put black and white. Plus, Clark jump the gun when he assumed that lionel kept the bracelet for the evil purpose. You can't just brand someone as a villain just because they have done you wrong in the past
:confused::confused::confused: Clark isn't supposed to fit unrealistic definitions of noble.
A bracelet is still a bracelet even in the real world when we take the TV / science fiction factor out of it. And people who are not right in the head are still people who are not right in the head.
There are laws in true modern day society for people suffering from mental illness where they cannot look after their own belongings because it isn't in their best interset. They are a Conservitorship or Guardianship and are not voluntary. Conservators or Guardians make financial decisons and handle their familiy members things for their best interest. And they don't always disclose everything. This is their decision, based on what they believe is best.
And it's usually always a family member taking care of another family member's belongings, and medical decisons. In fact, courts in the U.S. have laws against granting Conservatorships and Guardianships to non family members, unless it's a lawyer who has been appointed by the state. There must be a reason for that.
Kara is a new character, Clark is not. Kara seems to cause Clark trouble and put him in a position to look after her, that he did not ask to be in. He's risked his life for her, she almost got him killed with her stupidity. Now she's sick. Poor Clark.
DreadShamus
03-16-2008, 12:49 PM
Plus it's not like the bracelet contains the DNA of some psycho kryptonian..
Bracelet - Crystal hmm not really comparable
Agreed. Clark is noble, but he's dumb as dirty, which causes his attempts at nobility to backfire constantly.
Sweetie
03-17-2008, 09:02 AM
He is protecting her by hiding the bracelet from her,she is too confused right now to know the thruth and she's getting too close to Lex.
euterpe
03-17-2008, 10:07 PM
I'v said it once and I'll say it again - Clark is the biggest hypocrite that ever graced the universe!
Dor el
03-18-2008, 07:30 PM
You think so? Oh well. If there really was an abundance of hypocrites like Clark in the world, I for one believe it would be a better place. I don't think Kara was ready to take possession of the bracelet or of the truth about her origins or to believe that Lex is bad news. He has, after all, been so nice and so helpful to her. As far Clark being angry with Lionel, given Lionel's checkered past and Clark's history with the Luthors, both of them, how could Clark not wonder why Lionel concealed the bracelet when he knew Clark was looking for it? Plus, later on in the epi, Clark acknowledged that maybe Lionel had a good reason for doing what he did.
Thrill_Seeker
03-18-2008, 11:42 PM
NOBLE ??? NOBLE !!!!
CLARK KENT IS EVERYTHING BUT THAT !!!!!
he is a discusting selfish pig !!!!
I hate him !!! he only cares about himself and lana and blah blah blah.
sure he saves people lives all the time, but he's got superpowers, so, so what ??
for 7 seasons all he has done is sit on the farm and whine about lana and then when he;s with lana he screws up it majorly, tried to fix it badly and then complains how his life isnt what he want it to be. HE IS A COWARD !!!!!!
he does not deserve the respect people give him and isnt worthy of wielding powers.
someone to be worthy is Oliver Queen. I actually have respect for that man. oliver gave up what he loved most (lois) so that he could go and save the world. DID CLARK DO THAT ????????? NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! !!!!!!! he complained about how he didnt want to go and he wanted to be with lana !!!!!! AND THEN HATES JOR-EL FOR IT !!!!!!!
FACE IT,
CLARK KENT IS A SELFISH, DISCUSTING COWARD !!!!!!!! HE MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT
I HATE HIM SO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CLARK KENT IS NOT NOBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF CHLOE DIES TO SAVE HIM THEN I WILL LOATHE HIM WITH ALL MY HEART MIND AND SOUL !!!!!!
AND I WOULD WISH THAT SOMEONE TORTURES HIM TO HIS DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!
jazel
03-18-2008, 11:47 PM
Clark needs guidance, sadly there is NOBODY around, who can help him with that. It's even apparent in his fear, of going to the FOS....Jor-el will freeze him again.:lol:
He should know better, than to keep Kara's bracelet hidden away from her. Apparently the freezing trick didn't work, he learned nothing from, nor regretted his actions in Blue.
MAYBE if he was honest w/ Kara, he wouldn't be locked up in a green-k lined caged, in the next epi.:p
ginnyfan
03-19-2008, 12:02 AM
Clark and Lionel should arm wrestle for the bracelet.
Clark would win unless Jor-el were inhabiting Lionel's body. then Clark might end up as an ice cube.
What I like about Kara is that the recycled plots they use on her come to fruition fast. When Clark morphed into Jonathan Kent to warn Kara about using her powers to carelessly, she quickly was taken into a lab and experimented on. She almost died.
I'm hoping this is the case here. Rather than spending half a season waiting for the fake Krypto baby, I hope that next week the results of Kara's misplaced trust are seen and her synapses are shocked into firing by the horror of it all. It would be nice if she tried to kill Lex and flew around also.
LOL!
Dor el
03-19-2008, 10:33 AM
NOBLE ??? NOBLE !!!!
CLARK KENT IS EVERYTHING BUT THAT !!!!!
he is a discusting selfish pig !!!!
I hate him !!! he only cares about himself and lana and blah blah blah.
sure he saves people lives all the time, but he's got superpowers, so, so what ??
for 7 seasons all he has done is sit on the farm and whine about lana and then when he;s with lana he screws up it majorly, tried to fix it badly and then complains how his life isnt what he want it to be. HE IS A COWARD !!!!!!
he does not deserve the respect people give him and isnt worthy of wielding powers.
someone to be worthy is Oliver Queen. I actually have respect for that man. oliver gave up what he loved most (lois) so that he could go and save the world. DID CLARK DO THAT ????????? NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! !!!!!!! he complained about how he didnt want to go and he wanted to be with lana !!!!!! AND THEN HATES JOR-EL FOR IT !!!!!!!
FACE IT,
CLARK KENT IS A SELFISH, DISCUSTING COWARD !!!!!!!! HE MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT
I HATE HIM SO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CLARK KENT IS NOT NOBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF CHLOE DIES TO SAVE HIM THEN I WILL LOATHE HIM WITH ALL MY HEART MIND AND SOUL !!!!!!
AND I WOULD WISH THAT SOMEONE TORTURES HIM TO HIS DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!
Well don't hold your feelings back!!!! I am so sad for you that your hatred won't allow you to enjoy SM and to accept that Clark does do a lot of good. Granted, he is not perfect. Even when he IS Superman, he won't be perfect then either. I do not agree that Clark is a disgusting pig. Please feel free not to like Clark. As for me, I will continue to enjoy the character and the show.:)
berniepooh
03-19-2008, 01:14 PM
Sorry. Clark can only be described as CONFUSED!!
Nanites
03-19-2008, 01:26 PM
:confused::confused::confused: Clark isn't supposed to fit unrealistic definitions of noble.
A bracelet is still a bracelet even in the real world when we take the TV / science fiction factor out of it. And people who are not right in the head are still people who are not right in the head.
There are laws in true modern day society for people suffering from mental illness where they cannot look after their own belongings because it isn't in their best interset. They are a Conservitorship or Guardianship and are not voluntary. Conservators or Guardians make financial decisons and handle their familiy members things for their best interest. And they don't always disclose everything. This is their decision, based on what they believe is best.
And it's usually always a family member taking care of another family member's belongings, and medical decisons. In fact, courts in the U.S. have laws against granting Conservatorships and Guardianships to non family members, unless it's a lawyer who has been appointed by the state. There must be a reason for that.
Kara is a new character, Clark is not. Kara seems to cause Clark trouble and put him in a position to look after her, that he did not ask to be in. He's risked his life for her, she almost got him killed with her stupidity. Now she's sick. Poor Clark.
That sounds like the voice of a Justice Lord. In Justice League Unlimited, the justice league were transported to alternative universe where Superman killed Lex because of the Flash's death. Then the whole Justice League appointed themselves as you said Conservators or Guardians of the world and became the Justice Lords. Once that happens, everyone was suppress of all anger and even freewill. So, this proves that sometimes what is best for them isn't best but even worst for them.
And besides with all the resources and money Lex's has at his disposal, for almost seven season, he still couldn't figure out the secret of Clark Kent. So now suddenly if Lex get ahold of the bracelet, he finally would be able to figure out Clark Kent's secret? So what good is there for keeping something as insignificant as bracelet from Kara? To anybody, that just defied all logic and rationality.
And by the way i can give the links to the Justice Lord episode if anybody wanna watch, plus on other episodes too on Justice League Unlimted tv-show.
Hopefulsuicide
03-19-2008, 01:39 PM
the fact that he didnt give back the bracelet shows he is not a hero, and he is not clark kent
the real clark kent could never lie like that, it wasnt the right thing to do, it felt sneaky and wrong
a real hero would have been honest and delt with the consequences
All about Clark
03-20-2008, 12:10 PM
Sorry. Clark can only be described as CONFUSED!!
I have to agree 100%. Clark is not going in any direction because he's confused and don't know which direction is right.
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