Symbolism

[MozartRequiem]

I loved the symbolism they incorporated into the scenes in Lex's mansion:

at the beginning we saw Lex looking at that old toy from his childhood (which we saw in a memory of his in "Fracture"), but then we see the reflection of the LL from his stain glass window. The reflection seems overpowering as Lex turns around and gazes into it.

Then later, at the end of the episode, we see Lex, no longer looking at the toy, fully gazing into this symbol of what he's become, the LL, part of his mansion, the mansion his father had built...he's accepting his father's destiny, and forgetting the past, just as the lyrics from One Republic sing "it's too late".

What was everyone else's intepretations?

[number8]

I think he was looking at the symbol of Veritas, the V with the 4-5 stars, rather than just the warrior toy and the LL. Depends on your interpretation I guess.

I am wondering what is Lex's connection to Veritas though.

[MozartRequiem]

Oh, that's an interesting theory. Where was the V? Was that on his stain glass window? (I did notice it looked a little more like a "V" than an "L" on the right hand side, but that didn't make sense to me, but if what you're saying is true, that would make more sense).

I still think that the warrior toy though was a symbol of his youth, and if he was looking at the V for Veritas, than I guess that could symbolize the contrast between his innocence and now the fact that he's becoming his father, manipulating people to take down invaders (that's what the Veritas group is about, alien invaders, right?)

(btw, cool avatar. I love "Prison Break" :)).

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Another question: was the "V" on the warrior toy too?

[Lobby4Chloe]

I thought Veritas was the truth syrum from like the second or third season. That's what I think of whenever that comes up.

[MozartRequiem]

No, that was Levitas, but I can see why you'd think that. :)

[morethanmeetstheye]

I would agree that the symbolism is great. I love how they represented Clark and Lana with Egyptian mythology in Wrath...

Chloe: Isis seemed to make a lot of sense when I thought you were just out to help people. In text book talk, Isis is the goddess of love and life and healing. She even marched to the ends of the earth to help jump-start the man she loved. I want Clark to have that kind of loyalty in his life. But I'm just not sure it's from you.

Lana: I would do anything for Clark.

Chloe: Even kill. What a lucky guy. What the text book left out is that Isis is also the goddess of the underworld. She's responsible for bringing the great god Ra to his knees.


I've said this before, but the symbolism here is so awesome when you consider the fact that Ra is the god of the sun. It's absolutley perfect for Clark. Wow. Gives me chills. :)

[MozartRequiem]

That's a REALLY cool point, morethanmeetstheeye!

I didn't really think about the fact that Ra was the sun god! Great point. As a filmmaker, "Smallville" has really inspired me to always incorporate a lot of cool, detail-enriched symbolism in my work. I think the show has done wonderfully with that, which lends a really cinematic quality that it not often present in other TV shows.

Btw, I rewatched the scenes and DID notice that Lex was staring at the V and analyzing the Veritas logo w/his assistant. Interesting...I wonder what he knows. I still think that doesn't take away from the fact that at the end, Lex is no longer holding on to his toy, but fully facing the Luthor shield. Don't know if it was intentional or not, but I hope so, because that's a really beautifully tragic moment then.

[xManofTomorrowx]

If my memory serves me correctly and the soldier is indeed a reference to the Spartans, then the 'V' should really be a Lambda (inverted V). The Spartans put the Lambda on their shields as a representation of their homeland, Lacedaemon (Southern Peloponnese).

Of course I could be entirely wrong, and if so I apologize. But I have to admit that besides the Stride gum (which ruined the episode), I love the fact that the writers are so focused on continuity. The Smallville saga is becoming much more tightly knit.

[MozartRequiem]

xManofTomorrowx,

Interesting ideas about the Spartans! That would fit Lex's character perfectly, because, if I know my history correct (and I may be a little bit off, so if so, I apologize as well), weren't they so focused on war that they lost sight of who they were, in a way? It would fit Lex, because he has such potential to offer, but is so focused on the ruthless, violent tactics and the war he's starting against potential alien invaders that he loses perspective.

And I agree, the saga is becoming MUCH more tightly knit! I'm so excited about it! I was just talking to my girlfriend yesterday, and we discussed how season four had all these great stories but then nothing happened with a lot of them and they never had full explanations for the little things, but now, it seems they are covering a lot of those things and really making things come together.

[morethanmeetstheye]

That's a REALLY cool point, morethanmeetstheeye!

I didn't really think about the fact that Ra was the sun god! Great point. As a filmmaker, "Smallville" has really inspired me to always incorporate a lot of cool, detail-enriched symbolism in my work. I think the show has done wonderfully with that, which lends a really cinematic quality that it not often present in other TV shows.

Thanks MozartRequiem, It's fun to know that someone else finds it as interesting too!

I also had wondered about whether or not it was a coincidence that Chloe was talking about someone who went to the "ends of the earth to help jump-start the man she loved" (and that she wanted Clark to have that kind of loyalty in his life). If we consider Chloe's power, take "ends of the earth" to mean the ultimate sacrifice, and her feelings toward Clark...well, could this just be a coincidence? Perhaps it's just that...either way, it's intriguing to think about. :)

[morethanmeetstheye]

Oh, some people are saying that that line in Wrath was foreshadowing for last night's Traveler, because Chloe:

1) Showed her absolute loyalty ("For Clark, I'd climb Mount Everest"/"You have to trust me" to Jor-El)
2) Went to "the ends of the earth" (North Pole, Fortress/"Mount Everest" symbolically)
3) To help "jump-start" (save Clark from death)
4) The man she loves (Chloe's fortress scene, "I love your son!").

Food for thought, huh? :)

[litew8]

I would agree that the symbolism is great. I love how they represented Clark and Lana with Egyptian mythology in Wrath...

Chloe: Isis seemed to make a lot of sense when I thought you were just out to help people. In text book talk, Isis is the goddess of love and life and healing. She even marched to the ends of the earth to help jump-start the man she loved. I want Clark to have that kind of loyalty in his life. But I'm just not sure it's from you.

Lana: I would do anything for Clark.

Chloe: Even kill. What a lucky guy. What the text book left out is that Isis is also the goddess of the underworld. She's responsible for bringing the great god Ra to his knees.


I've said this before, but the symbolism here is so awesome when you consider the fact that Ra is the god of the sun. It's absolutley perfect for Clark. Wow. Gives me chills. :)

morethanmeetstheye, I hate to be the one to tell you this - but I think you and Chloe are wrong about your assertiontions that Isis would do anything for Clark - if Clark is considered Ra. Isis actually betrayed Ra in favor of Orion. Isis tried to kill Ra and took his powers from him. My little thread next door suggests that Orion could possibly be Lex Luthor, and that Lana might betray Clark. :D

[morethanmeetstheye]

morethanmeetstheye, I hate to be the one to tell you this - but I think you and Chloe are wrong about your assertiontions that Isis would do anything for Clark - if Clark is considered Ra. Isis actually betrayed Ra in favor of Orion. Isis tried to kill Ra and took his powers from him. My little thread next door suggests that Orion could possibly be Lex Luthor, and that Lana might betray Clark.

Isis was divided by the show into two parts (a fact that does not align with the myths btw). Chloe is meant to represent the "good" traits that were described. Lana is presented as the other, darker, half. This contrast was carried on into Traveler when Lana stated that she would be willing to kill and they made a point of showing Chloe's reaction.

It is important to note that when the "good" side of Isis (Chloe) was described, talking about how she would do anything to help the man she loved, they didn't mention a name. It wasn't meant to assert that she helped Ra or Osiris, just that she healed the man she was in love with. That she was willing to go to the "ends of the earth" for him. It was solely a comment on her loyalty and determination.

I don't think the writers are basing the direction of their show off of the mythology, just plugging it in where it fits with their plot. They are taking out excerpts of the myths to match and serve as symbols for their characters. Some of it might follow through, but not all of it fits, so it comes down to only what TPTB chose.

[litew8]

Isis was divided by the show into two parts (a fact that does not align with the myths btw). Chloe is meant to represent the "good" traits that were described. Lana is presented as the other, darker, half. This contrast was carried on into Traveler when Lana stated that she would be willing to kill and they made a point of showing Chloe's reaction.

It is important to note that when the "good" side of Isis (Chloe) was described, talking about how she would do anything to help the man she loved, they didn't mention a name. It wasn't meant to assert that she helped Ra or Osiris, just that she healed the man she was in love with. That she was willing to go to the "ends of the earth" for him. It was solely a comment on her loyalty and determination.

I don't think the writers are basing the direction of their show off of the mythology, just plugging it in where it fits with their plot. They are taking out excerpts of the myths to match and serve as symbols for their characters. Some of it might follow through, but not all of it fits, so it comes down to only what TPTB chose.The only part that I can agree with is where Chloe would be considered the "healer". But because Chloe was the one telling Lana that she (Lana) is both good and bad - I find it difficult to say that you are 100% correct. Even still, it would be the "evil" portion of Isis within Lana that would make her betray Clark and return to Lex Luthor. Chloe was never married to Lex. Lana was. What you say could in fact be more true - but that doesn't remove the fact that the evil side of Isis (Lana) would persue the mythology, than to say she wouldn't.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Chloe was never married to Lex. Lana was.

But if Lana is Isis, then the person she would be married to is Osiris...and she didn't betray him, she took down Ra. So in a sense, Ra isn't even related to the whole "betraying the man you love" situation. He just fits the "Isis bringing a god to his knees" scenario that potentially represents Lana and Clark.

[litew8]

But if Lana is Isis, then the person she would be married to is Osiris...and she didn't betray him, she took down Ra. So in a sense, Ra isn't even related to the whole "betraying the man you love" situation. He just fits the "Isis bringing a god to his knees" scenario that potentially represents Lana and Clark.

In mythology, Isis betrayed Ra, not Osiris.
She loved Osiris, not Ra.
(Ra being the sun god - Clark being fueled by the sun)

I pondered the similarities a little more since I wrote the comparisons.
It might be that the time lines aren't exactly straight. But certain things have already happened.

Here's how I interperted it -

Isis(Lana) was married to Orion(Lex).
Orion(Lex) was stung by a scorpion(Pete/Chloe) and died.
Isis(Lana) then went and got friendly with Ra(Clark).
Isis(Lana) betrayed Ra(Clark) and stole his powers.

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Lana did marry Lex. (Isis married Orion (or Osiris))
Lana did take Clark's powers. (Isis took Ra's powers)
Lana tried to kill Clark (she belittled and battled Clark = "Betrayed").


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If we take into account what you have said about Chloe being the good side of Isis - we also discover:

Isis(Chloe) did in fact bring Orion(Lex) back to life ("Fracture" after being shot).

:p :D :D :D :lol: :rotfl:

[jazel]

Chloe..........it's ALWAYS, about Chloe.:p:lol:
Chloe, is the ONLY reason, SV is even around.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Isis(Lana) was married to Orion(Lex).


Lana did marry Lex. (Isis married Orion (or Osiris))

Isis was never married to Orion. Orion and Osiris are not the same thing.
Orion is the place in the sky (the star) where Osiris resided, just as Isis resides in the star Sirius. This is the only way that Osiris and "Orion" are connected.


Orion(Lex) was stung by a scorpion(Pete/Chloe) and died.

How has Pete or Chloe already "stung/killed" Lex? Neither have put a dent in his proverbial armor as far as I can remember...Pete tried to get Lex, but he failed and was hurt himself by the latter. Lex definitely did not "die" because of Pete.
And Chloe might be able to bring Lex down, but she hasn't done so already. Nothing that she has done has metaphorically (or otherwise) "killed" him so far in Season 7.

And if you are saying that Lex is Orion the Hunter, then yes, Orion was stung by a scorpion sent by Gaia, but he was never married to Isis. So you can't have it both ways here.


Isis(Chloe) did in fact bring Orion(Lex) back to life ("Fracture" after being shot).

Once again, Isis never brought Orion back to life. And if you mean that Lex is Osiris, then you have to consider that Chloe said "jump-start the man she loved". Chloe certainly did not bring Lex back because she loves him, she brought him back for Clark's sake.


Chloe..........it's ALWAYS, about Chloe.
Chloe, is the ONLY reason, SV is even around.

Jazel, hun, this thread is about symbolism, and we have been talking about all of the characters.

[litew8]

Isis was never married to Orion. Orion and Osiris are not the same thing. Orion is the place in the sky (the star) where Osiris resided, just as Isis resides in the star Sirius. This is the only way that Osiris and "Orion" are connected.I know. Orion is the constellation made on behalf of Osiris. They are essentially the same thing. When I say Orion, I mean Osiris. But because there isn't a constellation named Osiris, I say Orion instead.

The constellation Orion represents Osiris.
The star Sirius represents Isis. They reflect mythology (together).


How has Pete or Chloe already "stung/killed" Lex? Neither have put a dent in his proverbial armor as far as I can remember...Pete tried to get Lex, but he failed and was hurt himself by the latter. Lex definitely did not "die" because of Pete. And Chloe might be able to bring Lex down, but she hasn't done so already. Nothing that she has done has metaphorically (or otherwise) "killed" him so far in Season 7.In "Hero", Pete said he knew how to get revenge on Lex - for Chloe. Pete hacked into the Daily Planet computers to do harm (sting). The program Pete used showed a "scorpion" on the screen. That represents the "scorpion" stinging Osiris (or Orion the constellation). Perhaps I misspoke - I just meant to say that Pete was considered the "scorpion" - and that it merely represesnts the mythology. The "scorpion" was put on the other side of the sky, away from the constellation Orion. There is a "scorpion" constellation - it ties into Isis and the story of her bringing Osiris (Orion) back to life.


And if you are saying that Lex is Orion the Hunter, then yes, Orion was stung by a scorpion sent by Gaia, but he was never married to Isis. So you can't have it both ways here.The constellation "Orion" was created to reflect Osiris, so yes there is a connection.


Once again, Isis never brought Orion back to life. And if you mean that Lex is Osiris, then you have to consider that Chloe said "jump-start the man she loved". Chloe certainly did not bring Lex back because she loves him, she brought him back for Clark's sake.Like I said, the constellation Orion represents Osiris.

[morethanmeetstheye]

I know. Orion is the constellation made on behalf of Osiris. They are essentially the same thing. When I say Orion, I mean Osiris. But because there isn't a constellation named Osiris, I say Orion instead.

The constellation Orion represents Osiris.
The star Sirius represents Isis. They reflect mythology (together).

Alright, now I get where you're coming from. :)

However, the story of Osiris and the story of Orion are two completely separate myths. So the names can't really be interchangeable, because one story has to do with Osiris and Isis, and the other has absolutley nothing to do with them. Orion might be the abode of Osiris, but that doesn't mean that Osiris takes on an identity from a completely different myth. Osiris is the King of the Afterlife, Orion is the Hunter...you can't just switch out their names, because they are two very different people with completely separate stories.



In "Hero", Pete said he knew how to get revenge on Lex - for Chloe. Pete hacked into the Daily Planet computers to do harm (sting). The program Pete used showed a "scorpion" on the screen. That represents the "scorpion" stinging Osiris (or Orion the constellation). Perhaps I misspoke - I just meant to say that Pete was considered the "scorpion" - and that it merely represesnts the mythology. The "scorpion" was put on the other side of the sky, away from the constellation Orion. There is a "scorpion" constellation - it ties into Isis and the story of her bringing Osiris (Orion) back to life.

Ah, okay I see now how Pete "stung" Lex. The scorpion is an interesting observation. :D


Like I said, the constellation Orion represents Osiris.

But what about "jump-starting the man she loved"?
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If you can convince me otherwise, I'll agree, but I'm still on the fence about some of this.^^

If you think that Lana is fully Isis and Lex is Osiris, then we would have to conclude from Chloe's spiel that Lana will "go to the ends of the earth to jump-start" Lex because she is in love with him. I'm not sure that I see that happening in the future, especially when Lana has unflinchingly expressed that she would have no problem killing him on Clark's (Ra's) behalf. This is part of why I believe not everything is matching up quite as you say...

[litew8]

Alright, now I get where you're coming from. :)

However, the story of Osiris and the story of Orion are two completely separate myths. So the names can't really be interchangeable, because one story has to do with Osiris and Isis, and the other has absolutley nothing to do with them. Orion might be the abode of Osiris, but that doesn't mean that Osiris takes on an identity from a completely different myth. Osiris is the King of the Afterlife, Orion is the Hunter...you can't just switch out their names, because they are two very different people with completely separate stories.True. The way I see it - the constellation Orion is suppose to represent the soul of Osiris (as per Egyption mythology). The hunter aspect (and Scorpion) of Orion are from the Greek. Sirius (Isis - Egyption as well.).

True I mixed up the two (Greek/Egyption) a little bit.
But the underlining point - it fits.


Ah, okay I see now how Pete "stung" Lex. The scorpion is an interesting observation. :DSee :p ;) , too big of an indicator of sorts. Maybe it isn't all suppose to fit snug like a puzzle, but pieces of it do seem to fall in place.


But what about "jump-starting the man she loved"?Maybe that means the tragedy that Lana is currently facing (catatonic) will "jump-start" Clark in becoming Superman? :D Not all of it necessarily has to make perfect sense - or reflect exactly the mythologies. Just a round about way. More or less figutively.
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If you can convince me otherwise, I'll agree, but I'm still on the fence about some of this.^^Oh, so am I. I just thought the constellation (Pegasus) was COOL, but the more I read, the more surrounding elements seemed to match too. I never knew Sirius was in anyway related to ISIS. :lol: :p When I read about it (while searching constellation info), I was like - huh? Then come to find out Sirius was within the same constellation (or cluster).


If you think that Lana is fully Isis and Lex is Osiris, then we would have to conclude from Chloe's spiel that Lana will "go to the ends of the earth to jump-start" Lex because she is in love with him. I'm not sure that I see that happening in the future, especially when Lana has unflinchingly expressed that she would have no problem killing him on Clark's (Ra's) behalf. This is part of why I believe not everything is matching up quite as you say...Well, YOU actually convinced me that 1/2 of ISIS exists in Chloe, and the other 1/2 exists in Lana. I thought that was an interesting take - then I thought up the "Chloe brought Lex back to life". It is all strange!

My brain hurts :D :p !
Perhaps some of the writers are just using mythology to create stories - or use them to brainstorm. Slice and dice - until a plot is created.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Maybe that means the tragedy that Lana is currently facing (catatonic) will "jump-start" Clark in becoming Superman? Not all of it necessarily has to make perfect sense - or reflect exactly the mythologies. Just a round about way. More or less figutively.

But didn't you say that she would help Lex and hurt Clark according to the myths?


Well, YOU actually convinced me that 1/2 of ISIS exists in Chloe, and the other 1/2 exists in Lana. I thought that was an interesting take

Really? Yay :)


My brain hurts !
Perhaps some of the writers are just using mythology to create stories - or use them to brainstorm. Slice and dice - until a plot is created.

Heh. I hope your brain feels better :D. But really, I think it will be fun to try and match up future episodes to these myths and see where they fit in. I liked how the Isis jump-start seemed to mesh so well with Chloe in Traveller, and the scorpion computer virus that you picked up was awesome as well.

I think it would be cool if you are right, and we see Lana betraying Clark for Lex. I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Though, she has appeared to have turned around from her vengeful ways and has been trying to become good again. She did start out as somewhat evil, but the direction her character has taken definitely shifted. Lana still has flaws, but for the most part has recently been cast in a better light.

I'm not sure what it would take for her to forsake Clark in order to be with Lex considering her history with the latter. I know that "obsession" might be stronger than "love" in this case, but I still can't picture a scenario...Do you have any ideas?

In any case, the question is: are TPTB (declared Lana-worshippers) willing to have their Lana go out as a bad person? Even with that aside, I'm not sure that portraying her as someone who picks the side of "evil" would stay true to the Superman mythos.

[litew8]

But didn't you say that she would help Lex and hurt Clark according to the myths?Yes, but I'm most likely wrong. I'm thinking they just used certain aspects of the mythologies - and not necessarily follow through entirely. For instance:
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Read this theory first: (HERE) (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87580)
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Then if you go by my constellation comparison (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86543) - Lana could be Andromeda instead of Lois.
Andromeda's parents gave her up as a sacrafice (not mentioned in my constellation page).
Could be that Lana's parents or her Aunt Nell gave her up as a sacrafice.
Meaning - Lana was "the chosen one" to be sacraficed.
Perseus saved Andromeda.
Clark would (now) try and save Lana.
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I just finished watching "Justice League of America: The New Frontier" (now available for rent on DVD).
In the Special Features section of the DVD, they talked about the characters.
One thing that struck me as odd -
The (DC I think) writers said that superheros were created by MYTHOLOGY characters.
Or that essentially mythology stories/characters morphed into superheros over time.
They started rambling off different mythologies and said primary from Greek and
Roman mythologies. They didn't say specifically that Clark is Perseus or what not, but they did say that mythologies is very strong in the U.S.A., even today - and that alot of people still relate to the stories of the past. Implying that's why superheros (stories, etc...) are still popular today - they've replaced the old mythologies in essence. Instead of us today considering all of the stories pertaining the gods ect... (like way back when - when they did), we resort to comic book superheroes.

That means I'm on mark with my Pereus (Clark) and Andromeda (Lana or Lois) correlation! :lol: :)
Perhaps they actually did use mythologies (bits and pieces) to create the Smallville backbone.

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This (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87942) thread has some information/questions too (just extra reading material).
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Yes, my brain feels better! :lol:
Like you said, we'll just have to wait and see!
It's cool that we see certain hidden ellements though!
We have backstage V.I.P. passes to what's really unfolding! :)

[wickedmiz]

could someone jog my memory on wt veritas is?

[ginnyfan]

Veritas is an organization started by Vergil Swann. They function as caretakers of "The Traveler." To help him reach his destiny and/or protect the world from him.

That's what I gathered anyway.

At first I thought it was the same as "Levitas." The project that led to Chloe's truth powers in the episode "Truth." But no.

This is a cool thread. I enjoyed reading the stuff about symbolism.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Yes, my brain feels better! :lol:


Oh good. Sorry I haven't been posting lately, my internet recently went down and I am hijacking another computer so that I can type out this message...:)

I read your constellation comparison (yes, the whole thing). Wow! You really laid it all out there! Your research was excellent, so I will stand up and applaud you. *rises and claps hands vigorously* bravo!

I love how we have been debating/discussing these ideas over here, then when you get down to the bottom of your OP on that thread people are like..."whoa, what just happened?"...it made me laugh, especially the post by Hopefulsuicide.

I did want to comment about something that you put in your post however:

What Chloe left out - was that Isis betrayed Ra so she could help Orion.
Isis did not take down Ra for Osiris' sake. It was either for her son, Horus, or for humanity, but not for Osiris.


Then if you go by my constellation comparison (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86543) - Lana could be Andromeda instead of Lois.
Andromeda's parents gave her up as a sacrafice (not mentioned in my constellation page).
Could be that Lana's parents or her Aunt Nell gave her up as a sacrafice.
Meaning - Lana was "the chosen one" to be sacraficed.
Perseus saved Andromeda.
Clark would (now) try and save Lana.

That's an interesting observation. I think that it does work as far as the story goes...
However, I don't think that we can stray from the fact that Lana is represented by Isis. The writers have made that abundantly clear when you consider that she owns and runs the Isis Foundation and how the idea was hammered in with Chloe's explanation in Wrath.

I like how you think outside the box though! I suppose if we extended this train of thought to other characters, we could say that Chloe is also Gaia, "Giver/Mother of Life". This also fits beause she was the reason why Pete, the scorpion, dealt a blow via the computer virus to Lex, who is Orion the Hunter (of MFs :lol:).



That means I'm on mark with my Pereus (Clark) and Andromeda (Lana or Lois) correlation!


You know, now that I think about it, I believe that your "Lois is Andromeda" could fit very nicely after Lois' whole speech in Siren about her father having to sacrifice her (for the sake of his job). She has now metaphorically been put out there, emotionally vulnerable...and Clark will come to her rescue, then marry her!

Details to note: Andromeda is considered the "Queen of Men", Perseus could "fly", and yes, the two married.



Implying that's why superheros (stories, etc...) are still popular today - they've replaced the old mythologies in essence. Instead of us today considering all of the stories pertaining the gods ect... (like way back when - when they did), we resort to comic book superheroes.


WOW. I love this. Superheroes are the gods and goddesses of our relatively young America! Hah! No wonder we worship at their alters...*snickers*


Like you said, we'll just have to wait and see!
It's cool that we see certain hidden ellements though!
We have backstage V.I.P. passes to what's really unfolding! :)

V.I.P. passes, hey!


This is a cool thread. I enjoyed reading the stuff about symbolism.

Welcome Ginnyfan, it's nice to have you here :D

[Lauren_17]

Oh, some people are saying that that line in Wrath was foreshadowing for last night's Traveler, because Chloe:

1) Showed her absolute loyalty ("For Clark, I'd climb Mount Everest"/"You have to trust me" to Jor-El)
2) Went to "the ends of the earth" (North Pole, Fortress/"Mount Everest" symbolically)
3) To help "jump-start" (save Clark from death)
4) The man she loves (Chloe's fortress scene, "I love your son!").

Food for thought, huh? :)

Your two posts are really interesting, and come to think about it, you are right. Chloe has done all those things you listed for Clark. However, like Chloe said herself, Isis brought Ra to his knees. And if we interpert Clark as Ra(because the sun gives him power) and Isis as Chloe(from all the points you listed) then in the end, she'll do more harm then good.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Your two posts are really interesting, and come to think about it, you are right. Chloe has done all those things you listed for Clark. However, like Chloe said herself, Isis brought Ra to his knees. And if we interpert Clark as Ra(because the sun gives him power) and Isis as Chloe(from all the points you listed) then in the end, she'll do more harm then good.


This is a reasonable conclusion, yet I stil see Isis as divided between both characters of Chloe and Lana. This is because in Wrath, the writers presented two "sides" of Isis to us...

Lana has been the darker side (didn't Clark even mention to Chloe that Lana seemed "darker"). Plus, if you think about the episode Hero and the breaking-up speech she gave Clark in Arctic, even she acknowledges that she holds Clark back from doing what he needs to (in fulfilling his destiny), effectively bringing him to his knees.

Chloe on the other hand, has been shown time and time again as the one who helps Clark, facilitating a lot of the good that he does on a daily basis. And remember the whole "I'll kill Lex" line from Lana in Traveler, where they made a point of showing Chloe's reaction? It basically juxtaposed the dark and light, and Isis has in a sense been separated, with each side given to Chloe and Lana. They are the two facets of the Isis symbol.

They ended the episode Veritas with Clark literally on his knees because of Lana...Chloe has used her power to bring back Clark, just as Isis used her power to bring back the one she loves...you see where I'm going here?;)