"You and I need to talk"

[MrZeppo]

Damn Pete! Always needing to be saved at the worst times!

I really wanted to see what Clark has to say to Lionel about him lying about the bracelet. Obviously, there is some ulterior motive with Lionel, rooted in Veritas. He's always acted one way with the Kents and another way with everyone else. I've been waiting for the day that Clark and Lionel face each other, and it looks next Thursday will be that day.

It has always bugged me that Lionel has been so close to Clark. Maybe it's the Jonathan Kent in me, but I can never trust him, and Jonathan's last warning to Clark always stuck with me whenever Clark deals with him. I did see on a DVD extra of a cut scene where Clark and Martha welcome Lionel to the Kent home and invite him to dinner, but I am always bothered that Clark continues to deal with him. Even after Lana told him he was trying to blackmail her, even after he found out Lionel manipulated Lana into a marraige with Lex, those don't seem like trustworthy qualities to me.

Am I off kilter here? But I look at Lionel's actions from Clark's point of view, I'd never have trusted him, Lionel's intentions always seem to have another agenda.

[ginnyfan]

Yeah... I loved that moment. I really want that conversation to happen on screen.

[The Great Ymmij]

Hey give Pete some credit. If he didn't go out and steal the bracelet from Lionel's room, Clark would've never known that Lionel had it in the first place. But yeah, Pete always needs to be saved, lol.

[MozartRequiem]

I think that Lionel's still a ruthless man, but I also think he will not betray Clark. If I were Clark, I could never fully trust Lionel, but I like to think I would try. I think Clark is trying, and I think that's what makes him Superman. I don't know if any other hero would trust Lionel after all he's done, but Superman is all about hope.

And I have hope that Lionel remains true to Clark. I really don't want them to revert him to his old MB ways again, because I think that would discredit this three-dimensional character that they've created. I think Lionel is a truly inspirational man, as long as he tries to be good. Look at all the bad he's done in the past. He's a man who murdered his own parents, drugged his son and made him insane and electroshocked his brain, poisoned him, blackmailed, murdered, manipulated, and kidnapped to get what he wants. But if he really is trying to be a good person now, I think that he is a great example of how anyone, ANYONE can chose who they want to be, and can change their true nature if they try. I think he's a testimony to the meaning of redemption and rebirth, and I also think that he's a reason why Clark doesn't kill his enemies. He could've killed Lionel long ago and everyone would have arguably been much happier. But in the end, Lionel would not have gotten this new chance on life, this chance to change, and because Clark gave him that chance, Lionel will forever be grateful, and Clark will forever be glad that he never took Lionel's life.

[xrayvision]

I was disappointed that we never got to hear the 2 talking. I wonder if that will be seen in the next episode or if it happened offscreen.

I think Lionel was holding that bracelet to protect Kara. But he should have known that Lex would find out.

[litew8]

I was thinking that it might be the Jor-El in him.
Then I thought, nah, he's just a prick.
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I thought it was awsome how Pete told Clark to his face - something like - I wonder what your dad would think, knowing you have a Luthor in your house.

:lol: AWSOME PETE! :lol:

Pete the Boss Ross brings back OLD SCHOOL SMALLVILLE, in more than one way! Very cool.

[Dor el]

When did Lionel get the bracelet? I also found it interesting that Lionel, Clark's new best buddy, has a stash of green k in his vault. Maybe for protection should Clark get ticked off.

[Krypton935]

The look on Clark's face when he said that-HOT! I can't wait to hear what he has to say too lionel I'm sure it will be good!

[litew8]

When did Lionel get the bracelet? I also found it interesting that Lionel, Clark's new best buddy, has a stash of green k in his vault. Maybe for protection should Clark get ticked off.A while back I predicted that Lionel stole it from Lex when he saved his life after being tossed into the ditch, after being shot.

[Dor el]

A while back I predicted that Lionel stole it from Lex when he saved his life after being tossed into the ditch, after being shot.

Thanks. Off screen then?

Since Lex is the CEO of Luthorcorp, would he not have keys to the vaults? Exactly what is Lionel's position at Luthorcorp?

[litew8]

^ Yes. Offscreen. I mean, no - he stole it (they didn't show him actually stealing it) during the episode when he saved Lex from the ditch after Lex got shot in the head. Remember, Lionel said he found him in the ditch and rushed him to the Smallville hospital. That's when he would have stolen it from Lex, because Lex had it right before he got shot. - But yes, Lionel put Kara's bracelet into his vault offscreen.
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Others - Good questions. I don't know why Lex wouldn't be able to just look himself.
I wondered that too. As far as I know, Lex is higher up than Lionel.

[Yasise]

Damn Pete! Always needing to be saved at the worst times!

I really wanted to see what Clark has to say to Lionel about him lying about the bracelet. Obviously, there is some ulterior motive with Lionel, rooted in Veritas. He's always acted one way with the Kents and another way with everyone else. I've been waiting for the day that Clark and Lionel face each other, and it looks next Thursday will be that day.

It has always bugged me that Lionel has been so close to Clark. Maybe it's the Jonathan Kent in me, but I can never trust him, and Jonathan's last warning to Clark always stuck with me whenever Clark deals with him. I did see on a DVD extra of a cut scene where Clark and Martha welcome Lionel to the Kent home and invite him to dinner, but I am always bothered that Clark continues to deal with him. Even after Lana told him he was trying to blackmail her, even after he found out Lionel manipulated Lana into a marraige with Lex, those don't seem like trustworthy qualities to me.

Am I off kilter here? But I look at Lionel's actions from Clark's point of view, I'd never have trusted him, Lionel's intentions always seem to have another agenda.

Yeah you're so right! Everytime I see them, Lionel and Clark together, I actually can't believe, that Lionel hasn't ulterior motives for all he is doing and saying to Clark.

On the other hand I'm thinking, why did Jor-El choose Lionel to be the vessel (or whatever it is called) for his thoughts and his knowledge?
I guess Jor-El didn't choose him by accident, did he?

But in the end, I'm afraid the big bang with Lionel is to come!

And to speak about the nonexisting talk between Clark and Lionel - yes, I felt disspointed, too, that they didn't show it. Would have been a pleasure to watch!

But, I also expected a talk between the two cousins, Clark and Kara - but there wasn't any in "Fracture" as well as in "Hero" now - Weird, isn't it?

The last talk, that I strongly missed, was one between Clark and Lana, about what Clark had seen in Lex's mind - the so much discussed Lexana sex scene and his consequences on the Clana relationship. I got the feeling, that they pressed the reset button there - once again - I hate that!

[oldblackmagick]

well clark knows that lana slept with bizzaro and now he got to see lana screwing lex. Old feelings die hard but not fast...so says the clan ship:p

[Yasise]

......Old feelings die hard but not fast...so says the clan ship:p

Yeah you've a point there and I don't expect Clana to die fast - a love, that lasted for sooo long can't be over in a couple of episodes.

I only wished the writers would have given them a scene, where Clark and Lana talked about the latest events.

[All about Clark]

I'm not sure why Lionel had Kara's bracelet, but I'm not convinced it was an evil act.

I'm also not convinced Lionel is evil in Traveler. I think he was in cohoots with Veritas, but that Ms Swan could be acting on her own, knabbing Clark. Someone writes to return the son of Krypton, will that be Lionel's writing or Swan's. Food for thought.

[Dor el]

Yeah, I'm not sure sure what Lionel is up to, but he has pretty much sacrificed any chance of a relationship of any sorts with his son to encourage and support Clark. How can Lionel not have a least a little place in his heart for his only surviving son? Yet he repeatedly chose to support Clark rather than Lex. He was an EVIL man, but something is different since Transference and Jorel possession. He has done a lot to help Clark; even when Martha wasn't looking. Clark might be dead were it not for Lionel's help. Kara would be dead had Lionel not helped Clark find the lab she was being tortured in. Not sure if he is good or bad, but certainly Lionel is a mystery. I get the feeling that there is way more to Lionel than has been revealed.

[Yasise]

Yeah, I'm not sure sure what Lionel is up to, but he has pretty much sacrificed any chance of a relationship of any sorts with his son to encourage and support Clark. How can Lionel not have a least a little place in his heart for his only surviving son? Yet he repeatedly chose to support Clark rather than Lex. He was an EVIL man, but something is different since Transference and Jorel possession. He has done a lot to help Clark; even when Martha wasn't looking. Clark might be dead were it not for Lionel's help. Kara would be dead had Lionel not helped Clark find the lab she was being tortured in. Not sure if he is good or bad, but certainly Lionel is a mystery. I get the feeling that there is way more to Lionel than has been revealed.

Hi Dor el, yeah you're right. I don't know what to think about Lionel either. But even if he has helped Clark for so many times now, I still don't trust him. I mean, he was such an evil person and as you say, he was and is such a bad father....I don't know........... and actually I don't like him to be some kind of father figure for Clark. It's in fact ridiculous, how Clark is able to forgive/forget everything he did in the past.

Like Pete said "What would your father say about Lionel being here on the farm" or something like that.

[AshyLarry]

Damn Pete! Always needing to be saved at the worst times!

I really wanted to see what Clark has to say to Lionel about him lying about the bracelet. Obviously, there is some ulterior motive with Lionel, rooted in Veritas. He's always acted one way with the Kents and another way with everyone else. I've been waiting for the day that Clark and Lionel face each other, and it looks next Thursday will be that day.

It has always bugged me that Lionel has been so close to Clark. Maybe it's the Jonathan Kent in me, but I can never trust him, and Jonathan's last warning to Clark always stuck with me whenever Clark deals with him. I did see on a DVD extra of a cut scene where Clark and Martha welcome Lionel to the Kent home and invite him to dinner, but I am always bothered that Clark continues to deal with him. Even after Lana told him he was trying to blackmail her, even after he found out Lionel manipulated Lana into a marraige with Lex, those don't seem like trustworthy qualities to me.

Am I off kilter here? But I look at Lionel's actions from Clark's point of view, I'd never have trusted him, Lionel's intentions always seem to have another agenda.

I agree with what you are saying. After all that Clark has been put through by Lionel (i.e. Insurgence, Memoria, Transference) you would think that he wouldn't trust him as far as a human could throw him (that analogy doesn't apply to Clark, so I paraphrased it). Though keeping him close has its advantages: 1) He can keep an eye on what he's up to, 2) He is the emissary of Jor-El, and 3) Lionel can't use his secret against him as leverage. Next week's episode will finally tell us where Lionel's allegiance lies, I think.

[Dor el]

Yasise and AshyLarry, and MrZeppo, all very good points.

[Eri-El]

I was disappointed that we never got to hear the 2 talking. I wonder if that will be seen in the next episode or if it happened offscreen.

I think Lionel was holding that bracelet to protect Kara. But he should have known that Lex would find out.


Maybe next Thursday we'll hear "Previously On Smallville........", and they'll pick up with the "Talk" that Clark mentioned......:D

[christina]

I always thought there would be no aftermath for the lexana in Fracture. which is why I thought the scene was pointless. It obviously had little to no effect on clark as he's still shacking up withj Lana.

[cole_jossart]

I don't know what to make of Lionel. One thing I do know is this: the official CW description of Traveler says that Lionel kidnaps Clark, not Patricia.

[morethanmeetstheye]

I posted this in another thread, but of course it fits perfectly here too:

There was something about this Clark and Lex scene that I loved...It's just that Lionel (though I like him now) often has that air of superiority. But nowadays he has to answer to Clark. It gave me chills.:)

I was really dissapointed that they didn't show the actual bracelet-confrontation.
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I kind of feel and/or hope that Lionel is in too deep, being Jor-El's emmissary and all, to betray Clark. I think his need to tell Lex that he loves him was further support for his turn around. The biggest inication was when Zor-El was going to kill him to get to Clark, and even gave him the choice of betrayal or death, and Lionel said that he would never try to hold Clark back from his destiny.

That was the clincher for me. So it would really be a shame if the writers ever tried to turn him back onto his evil ways.

[Sarah J]

I really wanted to hear that conversation. I'd bet $30.oo that Clark probably get's ticked off and does somethin around the lines of what he did in the last epi. of season 6

[kentfamily]

That quote made me laugh a little. Its like Clark telling Lionel that he was caught stealing a cookie fro the cookie jar. Did you see Lionel's reaction? It was a little funny, I thought.

[kyl-el]

once a MB, always a MB

[6-Super-Man -5]

He sounded like a father, Clark looked pissed.

[susangail]

Stupid question time: What does MB stand for?

[Twitch]

Stupid question time: What does MB stand for?
Magnificent Bastard. :)

[MozartRequiem]

MB=magnificent bastard. :) It's the fans' nickname for Lionel when he's up to his ruthless ways. John Glover, btw, loves that title. :)

[ClarkyBoy14]

I hope we get to see 'the talk' in next week's episode too. I also want to know what Lex's assistant was going to reveal.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I hope so too.

[Eri-El]

Is it Thursday yet??????:D

[cole_jossart]

Is it Thursday yet??????:D

God how I wish lol

[morethanmeetstheye]

He sounded like a father, Clark looked pissed.

You're right, the roles were reversed.

Clark did look absolutely furious, it would have been so good if he had been able to confront him right then and there. Lionel wouldn't have stood a chance-he would've had to face the music for once.

But now that Clark already has the bracelet, I'm worried that his anger will have lost that intensity. Of course I want Lionel to ultimately be on the good side, but...it's always interesting to see that side of Clark.

[Vergon6]

I hope we get to see 'the talk' in next week's episode too. I also want to know what Lex's assistant was going to reveal.
In terms of what Lex's assistant was going to reveal, I suspect that will be answered in "Veritas". She was probably going to say how one of the stars represented on the crest are no longer in the sky.

[Yasise]

You're right, the roles were reversed.

Clark did look absolutely furious, it would have been so good if he had been able to confront him right then and there. Lionel wouldn't have stood a chance-he would've had to face the music for once.

But now that Clark already has the bracelet, I'm worried that his anger will have lost that intensity. Of course I want Lionel to ultimately be on the good side, but...it's always interesting to see that side of Clark.

Yeah, he had the same look in "Phantom" in the scene where he almost beat up Lionel for what he did to Lana. Tom does angry sooooo deliciously well, I love those scenes!

[LexLuv180]

I was so looking forward to that discussion too :mad: When I saw how much time was left of the episode after it happened, I thought, uh oh

[euterpe]

Yeah you're so right! Everytime I see them, Lionel and Clark together, I actually can't believe, that Lionel hasn't ulterior motives for all he is doing and saying to Clark.

On the other hand I'm thinking, why did Jor-El choose Lionel to be the vessel (or whatever it is called) for his thoughts and his knowledge?
I guess Jor-El didn't choose him by accident, did he?

I always believed Lionel was "chosen" by accident. It happened after Clark joined two of the three elements and that caused the third element to shoot out that light and piercing ringing sound, perhaps as a homing signal to Clark. Lionel just happened to have the third element in his possession at that precise moment. The whole event left Lionel in that weird zombie-like state and he became Jor-El's "conduit" or whatever afterwards. It could just as easily have been Lionel's cellmate or one of the Teagues if they had still had possession of the element at that time.

There is absolutely no reason a supposedly intelligent rational being would choose someone like Lionel, who posed such an enormous threat to Clark, to be their spokesperson. If he did do it on purpose, then Jor-El was an even bigger idiot that Clark.

[Dor el]

I agree with euterpe, I thought Lionel just happened to have the stone in his pocket when Clark united the other two stones thus activating the third stone. Exactly who Jorel intended to be his emissary, I don't know. I think Jonathan would have made a good one. I, too, seriously doubt that Jorel would have chosen Lionel. But on the other hand, Lionel is/was a very powerful man and as such had many resources at his disposal with which to aid Clark. so far, Lionel has used his connections and resources to assist, encourage, and protect Clark. wonder if this is about to change? I don't think so.

[Jaderoyale]

Is it Thursday yet??????:D

Its been Thursday in my head since Saturday :lol: :lol:
Just everyday is an hour. Therefore, only 2 more hours until the episode. Hehe.

[Yasise]

............. so far, Lionel has used his connections and resources to assist, encourage, and protect Clark......

Yeah, exactly, so far he didn't do anything wrong. But again, that's Lionel, and I don't believe, that utterly bad person all of a sudden turns into a guardian angel.
Then again, nothing is impossible. Maybe "Transference" did destroy his evil side for good?

[Antiyonder]

I'm assuming that by now, a good portion of posters either bought or rented Season 7, but a deleted scene from Hero is shown to follow up on the thread title.

Basically Clark acknowledges that while Lionel may have been trying to protect him, he had no business hiding the bracelet. Lionel then states that there might be more to the bracelet than either of them are aware of.