PICTURES - Veritas LOGO - DECODED!

[litew8]

Updated: 03-22-08
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I like stars and the universe, not an astronomer or anything though. I've always thought that Veritas was somehow related to looking into space. Here's some information I've uncovered and pieced together to compose my own conclusions.

I figured Veritas was referring to something along the lines of (Very Energetic Radiation Imaging Telescope Array System) source = Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VERITAS). Except in this case, it was V. Swann's technology they used to star gaze. That's cool.

Quote from Chloe - "Rosetta" - "He (Virgil Swann) was a high-tech Howard Hughes 30 years ago. He graduated from M.I.T. when he was 19. He had his doctorate in math and applied physics. Then he started his own company, Swann Communications, which quickly rose to international acclaim in the 1970s as the world's largest producer of satellites. I mean, this guy has so much hardware in space that "Scientific American" dubbed him the Man of Tomorrow."

Swann also created (offscreen) the Veritas Orignization (see:description (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86166&highlight=Veritas+Symbol)) He requested assistance from Luthor, Teauge and Queen. Each member was put in charge of doing specific things - in attempts to protect the Earth from an extraterrestrial invasion (before the signal was decoded, and before Swann knew the true identity of Clark Kent (Kal-El)). Swann had the satellite technology to look into space, recieved and decoded the S.O.S. signal Jor-El sent out before Krypton exploded. Swann pinpointed the location from where the signal was sent (thus the Vertias Logo). Swann located Krypton (W5) and mentioned it to Clark in "Rosetta".

Quote from "Rosetta" -
Dr. Virgil Swann: No, that's where Krypton was. I followed the signal's path billions of miles out into space. I was hoping to discover its origin but instead, I found nothing.
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Swann had the technology to look into space, and recieved the signal.
Teauge's were in charge of finding the stones hidden on Earth.
Lionel Luthor was in charge of creating a soldier that could combat an alien threat (if presented). Which is why he started the cloning. Emily Dinsmore being the failed prototype.
Queen's job was to create weapons for Lionel's soldiers (as per IamProdigy (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/member.php?u=40158)).- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
More recently, during the trailer for "Hero", (credited to: JerseyGrl over at TWoP noticed and captured) images of stars shown in the background at trailer's end (see link titled: The star maps from the trailer. (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86166&highlight=Veritas+Symbol)).
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Now for my comparisons and information:
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(picture directly below) This is the actual positions (relatively) of the stars (in space). The stars in the trailer are actually near each other in the night sky - seems to imply that they make up a constellation of where the planet krypton once existed. w/orange text = stars shown at the end of the "Hero" trailer (above). Except for W5 - which I believe to represent planet Krypton, see Logo down thread.

These are real stars in the universe.
There were many other stars among these that I removed to reduce congestion.
Sol is a sun.

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Some information about the real life stars, and some mythology information:

Tau Ceti:

Is about 11.9 light years away. In the SouthCentral part of Cetus (the Whale).
In Earth's night sky, it is clearly visible to the naked eye.
Tau Ceti is a yellow-orange star like our Sun Sol.
As Tau Ceti has become one of the top 100 target stars for NASA's planned Terrestrial lanet Finder (TPF), images of this star and its position relative to the Milky Way in Earth's night sky are now available from the TPF-C team.
Astronomers have identified Tau Ceti as a prime target for the Terrestrial Planet Finder (TPF), now planned for launch between 2014 and 2020.
The star currently believed to be the closest one with the best chance of having a human habitable planet is Tau Ceti. Cetus is supposed to be the sea monster that would have devoured the "chained maiden," Andromeda, if Perseus had not come to the rescue.Van Maanen's Star

Van Maanen's: Actually smaller than the Earth.
This dim object is located only about 14.4 light-years (ly) from our Sun, Sol.
It lies in the center (00:49:09.90+05:23:19.01, ICRS 2000.0) of Constellation Pisces, the Fish -- west of Delta Piscium and east of Omega Piscium.
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Interesting information about the Sirius star
(shown in the above map, but not in the trailer (that I know of)):

The symbol of Isis (Lana Lang's new endeavour) in the heavens was the star Sept (Sirius). Isis was regarded as the companion of Osiris (or Orion), whose soul dwelt in the star Sah - Orion. Magic is central to the entire mythology of Isis arguably more so than any other Egyptian deity. In consequence of her deeply magical nature, Isis also became a goddess of magic. Sirius was astronomically the foundation of the Egyptian religious system. It was the embodiment of Isis, wife and consort of the god Osiris, who appeared in the sky as Orion. Sirius is bluish-green and very large, and is close to Earth (Distance in Light Years 8.60 ± 0.04, one of the nearest stars). Sirius is also known as the Dog Star. Sirius is closest to the Earth in Summer, especially July and August. That's where the phrase "dog days of summer" came from.

Long ago, in the land of Ethiopia (The star Sept (Sirius)) depicts Isis, which is the star of the new year. The appearance of the star signified the advent of a new year and so Isis was considered the goddess of rebirth and re-incarnation (Lana Lang somehow survived the explosion) and as a protector of the dead. The Book of the Dead outlines a particular ritual that would protect the dead so that he (Orion) can go anywhere in the under world. Most of the names Isis holds signify her as the goddess of protection of the dead.

Isis not only used words of power, but she also had knowledge of the way in which to pronounce them so that the beings or things to which they were addressed would be compelled to listen to them and, having listened, would be obliged to fulfill her bequests.

Sounds like Lana Lang!

Chloe: Isis seemed to make a lot of sense when I thought you were just out to help people. In text book talk, Isis is the goddess of love and life and healing. She even marched to the ends of the earth to help jump-start the man she loved. I want Clark to have that kind of loyalty in his life. But I'm just not sure it's from you.

Lana: I would do anything for Clark.

Chloe: Even kill. What a lucky guy. What the text book left out is that Isis is also the goddess of the underworld. She's responsible for bringing the great god Ra to his knees.

What Chloe left out - was that Isis betrayed Ra so she could help Orion.
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Down thread I mentioned there was a scorpion on the computer Pete Ross used to do damage to Lex Luthor's computers at the Daily Planet in "Hero". Thinking maybe the scorpion was related to the constellation (not shown) Scorpius (http://comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/scorpius.html) (The Scorpion). 4CHLicks (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/member.php?u=42435)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_3647125", true); </SCRIPT> suggested: "By the way, Orion's boast that he could defeat any beast (only to be stung by Scorpius) sounds a lot like Lex speaking to Grulian in Gemini about how he always finds a way to win. So Pete "stinging" Lex with the scorpian virus for love of the Scorpio, Chloe, was appropriate."

Uncertain if Chloe is to be considered Scorpio or not, something else surfaces. The idea that Lex could be considered Orion. In Greek legend Orion was the greatest of all hunters, and also liked to hunt women. He pursued and pressed his attentions on all the sisters Pleiades, as well as the sisters Hyades, but they were all able to escape his crude advances.

Recap -

Lex = Orion
Lana = Isis
Mythology says - Orion and Isis were married. Isis never stopped loving Orion.
Chloe = Scorpion (who had Pete sting Lex)
Clark = Ra

Here's the kicker: Mythology Story, I Translated - Orion(Lex) and Isis(Lana) were married. Orion(Lex) was stung by the Scorpion(Chloe/Pete). In mythology, Orion actually died from being stung by the Scorpion. Isis(Lana) then got together with Ra(Clark/Sun God). Isis(Lana) betrayed Ra(Clark) by attempting to kill him so she could aquire his powers. Isis(Lana) then took Ra's(Clark) powers, becoming a super powerful goddess. Isis(Lana) had the power of persuasion. Meaning everyone listen to her and did what she said, just by speaking. Isis(Lana) then went and brought her husband Orion(Lex) back to life.

Could this imply that Lana will betray Clark in favor of Lex sometime soon?


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(picture directly below) This is where the stars are (approx.) among the constellations
if you were to look up at night. Lex's assistant made reference to "constellation" and the Logo in this episode, right before Kara showed up.

Ever wonder what stars Clark is looking at when he looks up at the sky at night? I think they might have shown the constellations in this episode ("Hero") also. There is a scene where Clark looks up into the night sky. You can see a square shape if you look closely. I beleive that is the Great Square of Pegasus (or Pegasi). The Flying Horse - (the horse outline is actually upside-down). Perseus (The Hero) rode Pegasus (the Flying Horse) and saved Andromeda from the sea monster (constellation Cetus) by showing it Medusa's severed head, thus turning Cetus into stone. This story is also told in the classic movie Clash of the Titans. The sea monster is called the Cracken. You should watch it. Perhaps Clark is (Perseus) and will end up saving Lois (Andromeda - the most beautiful girl of all) at the series finale. ;)

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The King and Queen were the parents of (Princess) Andromeda ("ruler of men").
Cetus (The Whale) was the sea monster about to eat Andromeda (she was chained to a rock).
Pegasus (Flying Horse) was created from a blood drop into the sea - from Medusa's severed head.
Perseus (The Hero) rode Pegasus to defeat the Craken (or Cetus) and saved Andromeda.
Perseus and Andromeda got married afterwards and had many children.

Insignificant -
Pisces is suppose to be two fish - each tied to the ends of a chain or rope.
Aries the ram. Though Lex Luthor had a project called Project Aries.
There is a constellation called Gemini too. Lex had a project recently about that.
It isn't located in the map above.

[minerva73]

Wow, that's very very detailed. I can't really understand it, but I like how you connected it to the Veritas logos that we've seen on the show. Good job, litew8. :)

Wouldn't they rename the stars and stuff on Smallville, though?

[litew8]

Wow, that's very very detailed. I can't really understand it, but I like how you connected it to the Veritas logos that we've seen on the show. Good job, litew8. :)

Wouldn't they rename the stars and stuff on Smallville, though?Thanks minerva73. I think they are trying to keep some things real. I'm not sure for what reason, if there is one. I'm reading a little about the stories the constellations have. Can get confusing.

The only one that I think they made up is the W5. The one Virgil Swann named as the point of origin of Jor-El's S.O.S. signal (way back durring "Rosetta"). Of course, the star (W5) doesn't actually exist in real life, and it won't show up on Lex's maps because Krypton blew up. But Lex's assistant did say that the last time the stars looked that way (below, on the Veritas Logo) - was right before the meteor shower. Meaning - they have photographic evidence that a star is missing, and that it was there before the meteor shower. :)

But here is what I think the Veritas Logo means.
(W5 just represents the planet Krypton, Virgil Swann pinpointed Jor-El's S.O.S
signal from space. W5 is where the planet Krypton would have been. It is the star
closest to the V on the Logo)

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[minerva73]

Thanks minerva73. I think they are trying to keep some things real. I'm not sure for what reason, if there is one. I'm reading a little about the stories the constellations have. Can get confusing.

The only one that I think they made up is the W5. The one Virgil Swann named as the point of origin of Jor-El's S.O.S. signal. Of course, the star doesn't actually exist in real life, and it won't show up on Lex's maps because Krypton blew up. :)

But here is what I think the Veritas Logo means.
(W5 just represents Krypton, and it is the star closest to the V on the Logo)


True, they're probably keeping some things real like you said.

I think you're right about it not showing up, but with Lex asking for answers and with Lionel apparently searching for a traveler, maybe there's some trace of it up there. :\

Really good illustration. In my mind, it connects seeing as how the note that Lionel's holding says the son of Krypton and if Krypton is closest to the "V" maybe Krypton is the one connected the closest to Veritas. I'm not sure if what I said makes sense, though... :o

[litew8]

^ Yes - The note stating - The son of Krypton belongs to Veritas.
(Veritas = Virgil Swann's original group name, now Lex Luthor has all its information). :)

[svsabbiesv]

omg thats amazing..I don't exactly know what I'm looking at but good job uncoding it

[litew8]

The story of Smallville Clark, might be related to Constellation Mythology (http://comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/myth.html).

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Pet Ross might also play a part in this.
Remember when he was hacking into Lex's computer and released the virus?
The picture they showed on the computer screen was a Scorpion.
There is a constellation named Scorpius (http://comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/scorpius.html) (The Scorpion).
Look at the link above to read about it.

I don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but it kind of does
explain Pete's actions in this episode "Hero".

[4CHLicks]

Pet Ross might also play a part in this.
Remember when he was hacking into Lex's computer and released the virus?
The picture they showed on the computer screen was a Scorpion.
There is a constellation named Scorpius (http://comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/scorpius.html) (The Scorpion).
Look at the link above to read about it.

I don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but it kind of does
explain Pete's actions in this episode "Hero".

Thanks, litew8, you've done a great job of explaining the Veritas logo. You've made it simple enough for even those of us not into star-gazing to understand your theory, for the most part. :) And your reference to Pete Ross's scorpians virus might be due to Pete launching the virus for love of Chloe, who's a Scorpio, if you remember S4's Spell in early November when Chloe had her birthday. But who knows what else Scorpius might be tied to on Smallville? ;)

By the way, Orion's boast that he could defeat any beast (only to be stung by Scorpius) sounds a lot like Lex speaking to Grulian in Gemini about how he always finds a way to win. So Pete "stinging" Lex with the scorpian virus for love of the Scorpio, Chloe, was appropriate.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Nice job! Although its hard to understand for me.

[bc1sjw]

Um, with the exception of Virgill Swann finding it with his super dooper long range telescope, I thought Krypton was light years away from Earth (In super man returns it takes him 6 years to travel to where it was based and back again, although I heard in an episode of Lois and Clark that it was 2) - so how the heck can anyone know it was there if they dont have the technology to see that far into space.....

(Sigh - on second thoughts maybe I now see why it is useful to have Lex as like the 2nd richest man in the world....he can build anything and make anything happen...)

[litew8]

Thanks, litew8, you've done a great job of explaining the Veritas logo. You've made it simple enough for even those of us not into star-gazing to understand your theory, for the most part. :) And your reference to Pete Ross's scorpians virus might be due to Pete launching the virus for love of Chloe, who's a Scorpio, if you remember S4's Spell in early November when Chloe had her birthday. But who knows what else Scorpius might be tied to on Smallville? ;)

By the way, Orion's boast that he could defeat any beast (only to be stung by Scorpius) sounds a lot like Lex speaking to Grulian in Gemini about how he always finds a way to win. So Pete "stinging" Lex with the scorpian virus for love of the Scorpio, Chloe, was appropriate.Thanks 4CHLicks. :)
You picked up on what I was talking about when I mentioned Pete. ;)
Not sure about Chloe being the scorpion though. Maybe she's someone/or something else? ;)
I'm still reading over some stuff, not sure if it will apply or not.

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Originally Posted by 6-Super-Man
Nice job! Although its hard to understand for me.

Originally Posted by svsabbiesv
omg thats amazing..I don't exactly know what I'm looking at but good job uncoding itThanks svsabbiesv & 6-Super-Man. I'll reorganize, simplify and incorporate more later. ;)


Um, with the exception of Virgill Swann finding it with his super dooper long range telescope, I thought Krypton was light years away from Earth (In super man returns it takes him 6 years to travel to where it was based and back again, although I heard in an episode of Lois and Clark that it was 2) - so how the heck can anyone know it was there if they dont have the technology to see that far into space.....

(Sigh - on second thoughts maybe I now see why it is useful to have Lex as like the 2nd richest man in the world....he can build anything and make anything happen...)Lex and the government. :p

[timbojill]

I think Veritas refers to loinel creating one of superman's villians not an alien but a scientifically based villian. Just like Lex created in Superman 4.

[litew8]

^
Possibly. Even though I detest Superman 4, you make a good point.

[rebukey]

that is wicked cool! like most here I'd imagine, completely over my head, but still amazing!!!

[Hopefulsuicide]

i'm scared

im just gonna back away from the super intellegent people and keep my pride in check :p

[highdro_pharmer]

Sweet Jebus, I didn't realize Stephen Hawking was working the forums... great stuff!

[nemrod]

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this was is another thread

Professor Jim Kakalios had a theory pre-Birthright to explain this quandary, and that was to suggest that Krypton had a neutron star at its core. And he suggested that this could also explain why Krypton exploded. I think that ends up making Krypton's gravity too strong (as in a couple of hundred thousand times Earth's gravity), but he's a physics professor and I'm a physics dropout, so I'll cede to him for now.

a planet with a star at its core looks like the veritas logo above would this be how V Swan would have imagined the traveller would have great powers...:eek:

[litew8]

this was is another thread

Professor Jim Kakalios had a theory pre-Birthright to explain this quandary, and that was to suggest that Krypton had a neutron star at its core. And he suggested that this could also explain why Krypton exploded. I think that ends up making Krypton's gravity too strong (as in a couple of hundred thousand times Earth's gravity), but he's a physics professor and I'm a physics dropout, so I'll cede to him for now.

a planet with a star at its core looks like the veritas logo above would this be how V Swan would have imagined the traveller would have great powers...:eek:I think I've actually read the article you are referring to.
It was on a different website. Just the other week in fact.
Though I'm at a loss as to your description cited in your last sentence,
in how a planet with a star at its core would look similar to the logo itself.
Care to elaborate?

[nemrod]

I think I've actually read the article you are referring to.
It was on a different website. Just the other week in fact.
Though I'm at a loss as to your description cited in your last sentence,
in how a planet with a star at its core would look similar to the logo itself.
Care to elaborate?

if i understand correctly the logo is a circle with a V and some stars inside, and krypton may have been a planet with a star inside, and the power of superman comes from his genetic inheritance there for his power comes from inside not from outside his body (like most super-hero's as was stated else where) he was born with his powers (and the effects of the yellow sun on his body) also the planet krypton exploded or as is also said in the film destroyed itself from the inside so the symbol also means the hidden power (power see inside star but also this secret group of hidden powerful men/woman) projects inside to outside this is the destruction of krypton causing projectiles to arrive all over the universe, and on earth in the form of kryptonite, Clark arrived on earth in the first meteor storm in his craft, i read elsewhere people talking about distance and speed saying that his craft needed to travel much much faster than the speed of light to reach earth so quickly then as the rocks came at the same time they also must have travelled faster than the speed of light and exactly constant with the speed of the craft of Kal-el (?:confused:) now i can not remember the details but it was also said that the kawatchi said something about Naman being from a star that disappeared the night of the first meteor storm, as the light travels at a constant speed and because both Clark and meteors arrived on the night the star disappeared and the loss of the star should be the reason for the loss of the light in the night sky, you can not travel faster than light and at the same speed simultaneously, ergo if Clark in his ship and the debris travelled faster than light they would arrive maybe thousands of years before the light of the star reached (or in this case stopped reaching us) and in this case veritas should not exist before season 2700 of smallville:eek: and oops these silly people missed the boat some what......
hopefully that explains it better (maybe not as it mixes a few threads)

[litew8]

hopefully that explains it better (maybe not as it mixes a few threads)I get the gist of what you are saying about the planet Krypton's composition and how it reflects Kal-El's genetic traits, but you lost me with the speed of light and Kawatchi ledgend of Naman. At the end it sounds as if you do not agree with the speed of light travel and how it might explain how baby Kal-El was capable of arriving to Earth in such a short period of time (3 years I think). It must be a huge glitch. I don't expect they'd attempt to explain it on the show.

[nemrod]

I get the gist of what you are saying about the planet Krypton's composition and how it reflects Kal-El's genetic traits, but you lost me with the speed of light and Kawatchi ledgend of Naman. At the end it sounds as if you do not agree with the speed of light travel. It must be a huge glitch that I don't foresee them addressing.



remember the three values (light-planet-clark)

for clark to travel to earth he would have to travel faster than the speed of light or spend thousands of years in his craft travelling at the speed of light

for his craft to arrive at the same time as the pieces of his home planet they would have to travel at the same speed

for the light of the star to disappear the same night as clark arrived (from skinwalkers) the light would have to travel at the same speed as the craft so faster than the speed of light, this was addressed in a thread about the crystals

in fact much much faster to meet the time scale

the craft was powered by internal velocity (like a car)

the pieces of krypton voyage by the forces of external propulsion and this would be diminished by inertia and loose force over time (like a projectile, eg arrow or bullet) as explained by issac newton's 3rd law of motion (see also the laws of Johannes Kepler...)

they would being produced by the explosion like the tortoise and the hare or the race of Zenon in the end and over the distance, be eventually (as i said this could be thousands of years) a large distance between the 2 bodies (meteor and ship)

but.....

the speed of light is a constant, very few things cause inflection

so is not a result of the explosion in itself (only the loss or absence of light)

this will not be explained in the series but they could take more care when addressing these issues and it give us something to think about...
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[litew8]

Sweet Jebus, I didn't realize Stephen Hawking was working the forums... great stuff!:lol: , Thanks highdro_pharmer. You know what'd make this thread even better? A rap/rhyme about - Clark/Kal-El, Virgil Swann, Lex Luthor, Lionel Luthor, the Universe (constellations), the Planets named (including Krypton (W5)), and the Veritas Logo.

[smallvillefx]

That's so awesome:) Really cool, Nice catch.

[litew8]

Thanks everyone. :)

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Here's some more thought -

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Lex, realizing that the star (W5) shown on the Veritas Logo has vanished from the sky, will make the connection between it (exploding) and geen kryptonite on Earth (meteor showers).

2)
In the episode "Hero", they showed Clark looking up at the sky.
You can see a constellation. They show it for at least 3 seconds.
If you can rewatch the episode - notice that there is a Square in the middle of the screen.
I think that Square of stars is actually the Great Square of Pegasus.
What does a flying horse have to do with Superman? :lol:

Time will tell, I'll try reading more about constellations when I have time.


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i'm scared

im just gonna back away from the super intellegent people and keep my pride in check :p:p Don't be scared Hopeful. Super intelligent - no. Don't underestimate yourself.
I'll still get around to reorganize the content to be more direct.

[litew8]

updated the first post - whoever cares

[smallvillefreak24]

Ok if this is all true about the connections with the other people why:
-were the teagues and luthors battling against eachother if they were on the same side
-genevieve got into the stones because the chase was passed down from her ancestor now they're are changing the story on season 4?
-were lionel and virgil so scepticle of eachother and not helpful to eachother
-did it take lionel so long to figure it out
-these connections really dont add up if u consider the past interactions

[litew8]

^ It's not to be taken literally. Just figuratively.
The stars and mythology (myths/story) seems to be a backdrop of the story (in essense) being told on Smallville.

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They keep on showing the stars in the sky on Smallville.
I think they are implying something.
Something is going to happen soon!

[Imzadia]

:eek: Wow, guys! I'm amazed by the time and effort some of you have applied to de-code the Veritas Symbol. It's a very interesting treatise you've presented to us, verified by actual scientific facts as occurring in mythology coupled with astronomy. It could be possible that Al/Miles used this particular formula to solidify Smallville's re-interpretation of the Clark Kent/Superman story. They will most likely reveal this theory as fact, if indeed it was their plan, when the series ends. They did say in an interview that they knew where they wanted to take the story from the very beginning. They planned to get to the end by putting in place certain key story points of great importance and then create each episode in arc form to go from point to point. Certain goals have to be reached in order for their story of Clark to end the way they'd originally planned. It's one of the reasons I don't complain too much about anything that's presented to us in this reinterpretation. I just want to see where they will take this story and how they will bring us along for the journey.

I also want to point out some Superman facts that were established in the movies. In the first movie, Kal-El was an enfant when Jor-El sent his tiny ship out into open space headed toward Earth. He was about two or three years old when the Kents found him. However, when Clark went to the FOS for his training in the first movie, Jor-El informed Clark that by the time he hears the messages prepared for him in the FOS, he (Jor-El) and their home planet, Krypton, would have been dead for many thousands of your earth years. Traveling faster than the speed of light seems to be an impossible thing to do...to US with our limited knowledge. However, if Clark and his space ship traveled several times faster than the speed of light, then it may be possible for Clark to have only aged a couple of years. Therefore, at the time the planet Krypton exploded, earth would have been a very different place from what it was when Clark and the meteor shower arrived. It's all so confusing; I'm making my head hurt. LOL!

I still have some questions, though. If what you theorize is even somewhat true, then why is the Veritas Logo only now surfacing? When I first saw the Symbol in the stained glass window at the Smallville Luthor mansion as part of their Family Crest, I thought that it was placed there a bit late to have always been a part of their family crest. It had never been there before, so how is it that the New family crest includes it? Did they think that we really wouldn't notice that it had never been there before?:\ :lol:

[litew8]

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I don't believe it is apart of the Luthor family crest. I think it is seperate.
I think Lex put it there as a reminder to himself - what his current objectives are.

To figure out what it means.
To figure out what his father's involvment was/is.
To figure out what his memories were (as a young boy), and how they apply.

It has been shown recently (this year) that Lex has somehow aquired Virgil Swann's information. There is an episode (I forget which) that shows Lex standing next to Virgil Swann's flat screen monitor - with Kryptonian symbols scrolling across the screen. The same one that Virgil Swann had in "Rosetta". Thus, Lex has even more reason to believe something is going to occurr, and it might be bad - or perhaps beneficial to him.

Fast forward a little more >

In "Fracture", Clark saw some of Lex's memories. Memories that were strong (at that present time).

Clark saw Kara in Lex's mind as an Angel. Lex thought he was saved by an Angel.
Clark saw Lex as a little kid. Painting the toy soldier with the Veritas Logo.
To me that means Lex has been thinking about his childhood memories often lately.
(He's also been thinking about Lana allot too :p .)

Lex's memory was more specifically about painting the Veritas Logo on the toy soldier.
At that time, Lionel was heavily envolved with the Veritas group. Lex must have seen documentation and insignia pertaining to the Veritas group and heard his father speaking about "his' (Lionel's) role in the group. Lionel's role was to create supersoldiers capable of combating extraterrestrial forces destine to destroy Earth.

So naturally, as any kid, Lex considered it something facinating, and decided to paint the Veritas Logo on a toy soldier - in essence mimicking his father's current project (at that time) of creating supersoldiers. Fastforward - for whatever reason, it seems, Lionel began cloning > in hopes of creating a supersoldier. Emily Dinsmore was a failed approximation.

Somehow, and for some greater reason (as per Lex), Lex has picked up where his father seemed to have left off. Gathering info and experimenting on superpowered people (meteor freaks), and cloning. He even created enough clones for an army.

[laughingjellybean]

wow... i must say litew8, i think you put more thought into your analysis of Smallville than the creators do! i don't really understand what you're saying either (partially because i've missed a few episodes and don't really know what veritas is) but your logic is cool and i admire your depth!

[litew8]

Thanks sweetie!

[morethanmeetstheye]

Recap -

Lex = Orion
Lana = Isis
Mythology says - Orion and Isis were married. Isis never stopped loving Orion.
Chloe = Scorpion (who had Pete sting Lex)
Clark = Ra


Hey litew8 :). I suggested this in the 'Symbolism' thread, but I thought I'd repost here:


I suppose if we extended this train of thought to other characters, we could say that Chloe is also Gaia, "Giver/Mother of Life". This also fits beause she was the reason why Pete, the scorpion, dealt a blow via the computer virus to Lex, who is Orion the Hunter (of MFs :lol:).

(For those who aren't familiar with the myth, Gaia sent a scorpion to take down the self-glorified hunter, Orion.)

You're doing a great job, hun! *more clapping*

[TECHWON]

Dang I Never Thought Of The Whole Concept Of Veritas This Deep But Now That I Read The Whole Post Everything Makes Sense Now. Interesting Theory None The Less.