Continuity?

[HowardFilms]

Woah, with all this talk of old seasons, it's like the writers remember the past six years! Maybe they DO deserve more money.

I didn't even know anyone remembered Jonathan Kent. Or Isabella, haha.

[MarkAllan22]

Even a nod towards 'Accerlate'(think that's the right episode) with the Pete 'The Boss' Ross monikor.

[gameface25]

holes as well tho. Pete calling it Kryptonite (it should still be meter rock to him shouldnt it?)

[biggkoz]

Yeah it took them years but hey they finally mentioned the old days.

[mistaguitarmasta]

holes as well tho. Pete calling it Kryptonite (it should still be meter rock to him shouldnt it?)

No, he knows it's called Kryptonite. The real problem was the fact that he said Kryptonite to Chloe IN FRONT OF JIMMY :mad:

[you_smell_terrific]

I said the same thing!!! Everyone freaks out about any mention of anything alien and he says kryptonite right there LOL!!

But I figure Jimmy would have just assumed it was some inside joke or something

[smallvilleusedtobegood]

The one with Pete racing the cars was "Velocity". "Accelerate" was the one with the creepy little clone girl Emily.

[smallvillefreak24]

ik i absolutley loved all the nods to the past but i wish pete went to johnnys funeral

[Alexander III]

Yea that isabelle tattoo thing was memorable, Isabelle was such an evil sexy biatch. Btw, Jimmy in superman costume...? That's not sexy.

[you_smell_terrific]

I swear that Veritas symbol was never in the stain glassed window though...

[theotherJane]

I swear that Veritas symbol was never in the stain glassed window though...

It wasn't. That's what ticked me off. That stained glass is showed practically every episode they have scenes in the Luthor mansion, and all of a sudden, we're supposed to act as if it's been there all this time?

[smallvilleusedtobegood]

"Continuity? What's that?"

- The writers

[you_smell_terrific]

That and why did One Republic play a concert in freaking Smallville two days in a row? That made no sense either xD

[red_sun1938]

"Continuity? What's that?"

- The writers



Hahahahahahaha!!!

[you_smell_terrific]

Was I the only one annoyed with the fact that Pete just waltzed into the DP AFTER he had been beaten up by Lex? I mean come on. Lex is really just going to let Pete go? That made no sense to me at all.

Just because WE know that the gum was giving him powers doesn't mean that Lex does

[HowardFilms]

Yea that isabelle tattoo thing was memorable, Isabelle was such an evil sexy biatch. Btw, Jimmy in superman costume...? That's not sexy.

It isn't meant to be sexy. Jimmy is actually the future Clark thus Superman. He'll get his powers in a lamely written freak accident. And then he is in love with Chloe, who is really Lois, while Lois and Clark are actually Curly and Moe. It all makes sense.

[minerva73]

It wasn't. That's what ticked me off. That stained glass is showed practically every episode they have scenes in the Luthor mansion, and all of a sudden, we're supposed to act as if it's been there all this time?

Maybe Lex put it there recently. He hasn't shown any interest in it previously, but when that lady came into Lex's room and started telling him about it, it seemed like it was recent research. Like what happened with the guy telling Lex that Lana was in China in "Kara".

[Alexander III]

It isn't meant to be sexy. Jimmy is actually the future Clark thus Superman. He'll get his powers in a lamely written freak accident. And then he is in love with Chloe, who is really Lois, while Lois and Clark are actually Curly and Moe. It all makes sense.

Oh...ok :confused:

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

yeah, it was like they decided - alright, we didn't really have that much continuity all these years..lets make up for it by dumping a sh** load of continuity in one episode to make those dang Ksiters happy!

[Minela]

That and why did One Republic play a concert in freaking Smallville two days in a row? That made no sense either xD

The first concert was canceled due to the accident, so they had to reschedule it.

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Was I the only one annoyed with the fact that Pete just waltzed into the DP AFTER he had been beaten up by Lex? I mean come on. Lex is really just going to let Pete go? That made no sense to me at all.

Just because WE know that the gum was giving him powers doesn't mean that Lex does

I was ticked off at that, too. OMG! That was worse than him saying 'kryptonite' in front of Jimmy.

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It isn't meant to be sexy. Jimmy is actually the future Clark thus Superman. He'll get his powers in a lamely written freak accident. And then he is in love with Chloe, who is really Lois, while Lois and Clark are actually Curly and Moe. It all makes sense.

I remember that theory. I'm glad you are still carying a torch for it. Also, I'm glad you still have the Super Jimmy aviater. ;)

[minerva73]

yeah, it was like they decided - alright, we didn't really have that much continuity all these years..lets make up for it by dumping a sh** load of continuity in one episode to make those dang Ksiters happy!

But there was continuity in other episodes this season...

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

But there was continuity in other episodes this season...

- i know which is why I said "that much":o

[you_smell_terrific]

Oh yeah I forgot about the speaker thing.

LOL when the singer from One Republic was like "What happened <_>" when the speaker fell xD! Loved it

[minerva73]

- i know which is why I said "that much":o

Oh, my fault then. Sorry about that. I should have re-read that... :\

I'm not sure if this is continuity, but a strong reference to a previous scene.
I kinda liked how the Kara/Lana scene was basically mimicking the "Wrath" scene between Clark and Lex about going through Lana's purse about Isis.

[superspider02]

Yea this episode was nice with all those nods to the past while continuing the veritas plot. Cant wait to see where this goes. As for the kryptonite remark to chloe they could always have it where jimmy was far enough away to not hear him say it but u know the writers are stupid at times or u could complain to the director/staging people on placement of the actors, maybe jimmy was meant to be at more of a distance.

[Ardiem3]

It wasn't. That's what ticked me off. That stained glass is showed practically every episode they have scenes in the Luthor mansion, and all of a sudden, we're supposed to act as if it's been there all this time?

Its not actually in the window. If you look closely, its a glass hanging on the window. And if it was IN the window for the first 6 seasons, dont you think someone would of asked, "Gee, whats that "V" mean Lex?"

[JLedge]

I LOVED the reference to Isobel and the tattoo.

Season 4 is my favorite (which definitely puts me in the minority, I think :lol:), and it was awesome to have a throwback to the whole Lana/witch/stones storyline.

If Isobel is in any way connected to Veritas, I might not be able to contain myself. :eek:

Can anyone feel me in on what someone added to the Smallville wiki article on Isobel about her seeing Zod in a globe, and he's the one who told her to find the stones???? :confused:

[litew8]

It wasn't. That's what ticked me off. That stained glass is showed practically every episode they have scenes in the Luthor mansion, and all of a sudden, we're supposed to act as if it's been there all this time?Not sure if Ardiem3 is right about it hanging on the window or not. But I think it is to symbolize Lex Luthor taking over the Veritas project. The one that Virgil Swann created.



Here's part 1 of 2 of what I think the coat of arms (or Logo) represents
(look at the pictures in the first post, then my comments are on the following pages)
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86166&highlight=Veritas+Symbol


... and this is a continuation (part 2 of 2) of what I think (my own graphics)-
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86543

[Yasise]

It wasn't. That's what ticked me off. That stained glass is showed practically every episode they have scenes in the Luthor mansion, and all of a sudden, we're supposed to act as if it's been there all this time?

Yes, that's another reason for me to shake my head and think "What the heck..???"

That and .....why was Lex holding that toy soldier, or whatever it was, in his hand? Is that supposed to be a hint, that he does remember what happened in his mind, when Clark "visited" him there in "Fracture"???

I mean, why would he, all of a sudden, remember that toy?

[litew8]

Yes, that's another reason for me to shake my head and think "What the heck..???"

That and .....why was Lex holding that toy soldier, or whatever it was, in his hand? Is that supposed to be a hint, that he does remember what happened in his mind, when Clark "visited" him there in "Fracture"???

I mean, why would he, all of a sudden, remember that toy?Read the threads of the links I posted above. It explains it pretty well. That memory Lex had that we saw in "Fracture" - was when Lex was a little kid. He remembered painting the Veritas Logo on a toy soldier of his.

When Lex was a little kid, his dad (Lionel) was in charge of creating a supersoldier for Virgil Swann's group (Veritas), to protect the Earth from an eminent invasion. Lionel was suppose to create supersoldiers (Emily Dinsmore was Lionel's first attempt at cloning, so he could mass produce soldiers). Lex must have seen the plans etc... about Lionel's supersoldier that he was in charge of building, so he painted the Veritas (logo) on one of his toy soldiers.

I think Lex has taken all of Virgil Swanns information, about stars etc... and noticed the same Veritas Logo he remembered as a kid. He's now trying to make a connection between his dad (Lionel) and what Virgil Swann was doing (eminent alien invasion). He hung the Veritas Logo on the window because he (Lex) is in charge of the project now (Virgil Swann is dead). I think he is going to make the connection (or remember) that his father is hiding information from him. Lex has essentially picked up where his father left off, but Lionel might not be on Lex's side - or is hiding information from him.

[Yasise]

Read the threads of the links I posted above. It explains it pretty well. That memory Lex had that we saw in "Fracture" - was when Lex was a little kid. He remembered painting the Veritas Logo on a toy soldier of his.

When Lex was a little kid, his dad (Lionel) was in charge of creating a supersoldier for Virgil Swann's group (Veritas), to protect the Earth from an eminent invasion. Lionel was suppose to create supersoldiers (Emily Dinsmore was Lionel's first attempt at cloning, so he could mass produce soldiers). Lex must have seen the plans etc... about Lionel's supersoldier that he was in charge of building, so he painted the Veritas (logo) on one of his toy soldiers.

I think Lex has taken all of Virgil Swanns information, about stars etc... and noticed the same Veritas Logo he remembered as a kid. He's now trying to make a connection between his dad (Lionel) and what Virgil Swann was doing (eminent alien invasion). He hung the Veritas Logo on the window because he (Lex) is in charge of the project now (Virgil Swann is dead). I think he is going to make the connection (or remember) that his father is hiding information from him. Lex has essentially picked up where his father left off, but Lionel might not be on Lex's side - or is hiding information from him.

Thanks for your explanation. But I still don't understand if Lex remembers that toy soldier, because he remembers what happened in "Fracture"?
Because that would mean, that he also remembers Clark going into his mind and all the other details.
Or did he find that toy soldier by incident, somewhere in his mansion?

[litew8]

Thanks for your explanation. But I still don't understand if Lex remembers that toy soldier, because he remembers what happened in "Fracture"?
Because that would mean, that he also remembers Clark going into his mind and all the other details.
Or did he find that toy soldier by incident, somewhere in his mansion?Not exactly. What we saw in "Fracture" were Lex's memories - inside of his head. Memories that Lex walks around with every day. For them to show Lex painting the toy soldier means that Lex has never forgotten those days/memories from when he was young.

Clark went inside of Lex's mind and saw all of those memories Lex had lingering around.
Eventually, Clark ran into the memory of where Kara was. Got the information and left.
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I don't know where Lex got the toy soldier they showed in "Hero".
Maybe it was packed away in storage and he just got it out.
Or maybe he had one made to look like the one he remembers painting when he was little.
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But I think it signified that Lex remembers the toy soldier, and remembers painting the Veritas Logo on it. Now he's trying to figure out what it all means. To see if he can find the missing pieces for it all to make sense to him. What he remembers, and what he is just now learning (about the stars).

[Yasise]

Not exactly. What we saw in "Fracture" were Lex's memories - inside of his head. Memories that Lex walks around with every day. For them to show Lex painting the toy soldier means that Lex has never forgotten those days/memories from when he was young.

Clark went inside of Lex's mind and saw all of those memories Lex had lingering around.
Eventually, Clark ran into the memory of where Kara was. Got the information and left.
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I don't know where Lex got the toy soldier they showed in "Hero".
Maybe it was packed away in storage and he just got it out.
Or maybe he had one made to look like the one he remembers painting when he was little.
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But I think it signified that Lex remembers the toy soldier, and remembers painting the Veritas Logo on it. Now he's trying to figure out what it all means. To see if he can find the missing pieces for it all to make sense to him. What he remembers, and what he is just now learning (about the stars).

Okayyy, than let's wait and see, what's going to happen in the next episodes.

[Radioflyer]

Not sure if Ardiem3 is right about it hanging on the window or not. But I think it is to symbolize Lex Luthor taking over the Veritas project. The one that Virgil Swann created.



Here's part 1 of 2 of what I think the coat of arms (or Logo) represents
(look at the pictures in the first post, then my comments are on the following pages)
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86166&highlight=Veritas+Symbol


... and this is a continuation (part 2 of 2) of what I think (my own graphics)-
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86543They should have used another seldom seen room in the mansion or redressed the set to look like another room. The War room for examble. This was a very bad move. This window is in almost every episode but without the symbol.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Mind you, the window does get replaced, its been smashed about a 100 times.

[Dor el]

Yes, that's another reason for me to shake my head and think "What the heck..???"

That and .....why was Lex holding that toy soldier, or whatever it was, in his hand? Is that supposed to be a hint, that he does remember what happened in his mind, when Clark "visited" him there in "Fracture"???

I mean, why would he, all of a sudden, remember that toy?

Silly me, you guys think so much deeper than I do. I just thought Lex holding his little toy was to imply that maybe Lex had an inkling that Clark had been in his mind. After fracture, Lex seems more determined to get to the bottom on the secret kept by Clark and Kara. I think Lex thinks he knows, but is looking for confirmation.

Whether or not Lex knows about that mind melding gizmo, I don't know know, but he seems to be on a new trail of terror to uncover secrets. Plus, Lex is getting sloppy. He made it clear to Pete that he would do anything, ANYTHING, to get that bracelet, and it is clear that that bracelet is linked to Clark. Pete, Clark and Lex all know that. Surely, Pete made Clark understand the degree of insatiable interest Lex has in that bracelet; interested enough to kill? So, Clark has to know about Lex's determination and about his willingness to do anything to get it. Perhaps to trap Clark with it somehow. In days past, I think Lex would have been far more coy in his approach. Keeping everyone around him wondering, just a bit, what he's up to. Lex is looking rather desperate to me. Or maybe mad.

[Yasise]

Silly me, you guys think so much deeper than I do. I just thought Lex holding his little toy was to imply that maybe Lex had an inkling that Clark had been in his mind. After fracture, Lex seems more determined to get to the bottom on the secret kept by Clark and Kara. I think Lex thinks he knows, but is looking for confirmation...

Well, Dor el, I thought like that, too, that it should show us, that Lex might remember what happend in his mind with Clark being there. But I guess, litew8, has a point there either.
But maybe we are all wrong and next week we get to see a total unexpected turn concerning this subject??? ;)

[Dor el]

I don't know where Lex got the toy soldier they showed in "Hero".
Maybe it was packed away in storage and he just got it out.
Or maybe he had one made to look like the one he remembers painting when he was little.
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But I think it signified that Lex remembers the toy soldier, and remembers painting the Veritas Logo on it. Now he's trying to figure out what it all means. To see if he can find the missing pieces for it all to make sense to him. What he remembers, and what he is just now learning (about the stars).

True, I still find it odd that the writers would have Lex to remember that exact toy soldier just after the memory had been resurrected in Fracture. Of course he remembers the toy soldier. It is a permanent part of his memory system. But now is the time that memory resurfaced. Just coincidence? Perhaps. But we all know Lex's mind is not like other folks' minds. Even thought the dr told Clark that Lex would not remember his little trip into the dark recesses of Lex's mind, are we sure that is true?

Regarding the Veritas symbol, there are many possibilities as to why Lex is dwelling on that. I think much will have to do with whether the writers try to make us think that the shield was in the window all along or if they give us an explanation of why Lex just recently had it put there. If the shield is a recent addition, then that would explain why Lex has conjured up that toy soldier memory now. Then we need to know why Lex suddenly put the shield in his home. I think Lex somehow found out that Lionel and the others in his group were/are involved in Veritas and that Veritas is somehow linked to extraterrestrials and Lex is investigating the link between the Veritas group, the meteor shower, and extraterrestrials. I am not convinced that Lex has linked all of that specifically to Clark...yet.

[98chase]

You know there's been more continuity this year and last year than there ever has been in the past, correct? The "joke" about writers forgetting the past is getting kind of old and worn out, especially since it's not as accurate anymore, IMO of course.

[Ardiem3]

Not sure if Ardiem3 is right about it hanging on the window or not. But I think it is to symbolize Lex Luthor taking over the Veritas project. The one that Virgil Swann created.



Here's part 1 of 2 of what I think the coat of arms (or Logo) represents
(look at the pictures in the first post, then my comments are on the following pages)
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86166&highlight=Veritas+Symbol


... and this is a continuation (part 2 of 2) of what I think (my own graphics)-
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86543

If you look at the window at the end of "Hero," you can see divisions in the glass behind the "Veritas" symbol and if it was hanging on the window, you wouldnt see these grooves, divisions of the window. I dont think the writers would be like "Oh hey, lets just throw a symbol on Lex's window, thats been there since Season 1, no one will notice."

[litew8]

If you look at the window at the end of "Hero," you can see divisions in the glass behind the "Veritas" symbol and if it was hanging on the window, you wouldnt see these grooves, divisions of the window. I dont think the writers would be like "Oh hey, lets just throw a symbol on Lex's window, thats been there since Season 1, no one will notice."Okay. I can't rewatch it - but if you say it is, I believe it. If it were incorporated, Lex could have just hired someone install it for him.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I swear that Veritas symbol was never in the stain glassed window though...

It was actually there in "Fracture" as well.

I don't know if they're trying to say it's always been that way, though (I hope not, they've been so good with continuity this year!).

That woman at the end of "Hero" referred to the Veritas logo as part of the Luthor family crest. I see a few possibilities:

1) Lex just recently added it because (a) he only recently discovered it's part of

[DreadShamus]

"Continuity? What's that?"

- The writers

:rotfl:

[ClarkyBoy14]

his family crest, (b) he's known it's part of the family crest, but he's just now taken an interest in Veritas, so he added it, or (c) he added it to the family crest.

2) He lied to his assistant and it's not really a part of the family crest.

[GuardianAngel]

The logo wasn't there before "Fracture". Just rewatch the scene where Black Canary confronts Lex in "Siren" and you'll notice it's not there.

It was added in "Fracture" and certainly not by Lex who seemed to notice it for the first time in "Hero".

[ClarkyBoy14]

That and why did One Republic play a concert in freaking Smallville two days in a row? That made no sense either xD

Uh, they were in Metropolis.

Anyways, I don't think SV!OR is as popular as IRL!OR. I think they're still supposed to be sorta "underground."

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The logo wasn't there before "Fracture". Just rewatch the scene where Black Canary confronts Lex in "Siren" and you'll notice it's not there.

It was added in "Fracture" and certainly not by Lex who seemed to notice it for the first time in "Hero".

It didn't look at all like he was noticing it for the first time in "Hero." It just looked like he was thinking about it.

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Just because WE know that the gum was giving him powers doesn't mean that Lex does

Do people just not watch this show, or do they take the characters for complete idiots?

Lex saw that the gum fell out of Pete's mouth, and then he saw that Pete no longer had his ability. Connect Point A to Point B and what do you get?

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You know there's been more continuity this year and last year than there ever has been in the past, correct? The "joke" about writers forgetting the past is getting kind of old and worn out, especially since it's not as accurate anymore, IMO of course.

Not just your opinion. I agree entirely. The jokes are becoming grating, and, honestly, they just show viewer ignorance now.

[DreadShamus]

The logo wasn't there before "Fracture". Just rewatch the scene where Black Canary confronts Lex in "Siren" and you'll notice it's not there.

It was added in "Fracture" and certainly not by Lex who seemed to notice it for the first time in "Hero".

Yeah, I was just watching that scene and its the original w/out Veritas.

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That and why did One Republic play a concert in freaking Smallville two days in a row? That made no sense either xD

Actually. Bands do play the same clubs 2 nights in a row. If they are playing small clubs like the one in the warehouse they will often do 2 nights because of the demand.

Sonic Youth does that a lot when they come to DC.

[Humdinger]

yeah, it was like they decided - alright, we didn't really have that much continuity all these years..lets make up for it by dumping a sh** load of continuity in one episode to make those dang Ksiters happy!

If they dumped a sh** load in this episode, I missed it.

[DreadShamus]

If they dumped a sh** load in this episode, I missed it.
Ditto. I'm giving them some time though. Not that they've earned it, but because this is all probably a side effect of the strike.

[ClarkyBoy14]

If they dumped a sh** load in this episode, I missed it.

Then you must not have been watching as there were tons of references to past episodes.