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Ardiem3
03-12-2008, 02:47 PM
Season 1: "Kinetic" - Ex-jocks turned thieves whose kryptonite-saturated tatoos alter their molecular structure, pass through walls and rob buildings, including Lex's mansion.
Season 2: "Suspect" - More than one person had the opportunity and motive to shoot Lionel Luther, but the prime suspect is Clark's dad.
Season 3: "Velocity" - Pete's illegal street racing puts him in gambling debt and puts Clark in a dilemma over how far he'll go to help his pal.
Season 4: "Recruit" - Metropolis U's football program wants Clark. Clark discovers the superstar Met U. player, Geoff, secretly has superhuman powers.
Season 5: "Vengeance" - Clark finds an understanding spirit in a super-powered female vigilante, who too, has lost a parent. However, their attitudes about how to fight crime divide them.
Season 6: "Crimson" - An aphrodisiac lipstick makes Lois fall in love with the first man she sees: Clark. Clark crashes the Lex-Lana engagement dinner to take Lana away.
Season 7: "Hero" - Pete comes to town while touring with the band, One Republic. While in town, he etas a piece of Kryptonite-laced gum and develops super-powers.

theotherJane
03-12-2008, 04:11 PM
OK, who voted? How can you vote on this without even seeing the newest episode?

Mars Investigations
03-12-2008, 04:16 PM
It'll have a hard time beating "Vengeance" and "Crimson".

skully
03-12-2008, 11:19 PM
It'll have a hard time beating "Vengeance" and "Crimson".Agreed. Crimson was part of the excellent comeback Season 6 made after a dodgy first half season. Hydro-Justice-Labyrinth-Crimson was an excellent stretch of episodes that ignited a great 2nd half of the season last year.

And Vengeance was unforgettable if only for the closing scene.

Krypton935
03-13-2008, 05:14 AM
Suspect and Vengence were good and Crimson was awesome but I'll save my vote till I see this should be awesome ep

Jaderoyale
03-13-2008, 07:12 AM
I agree, it will be hard to beat Crimson in my opinion.

jrp8907
03-13-2008, 11:56 AM
Crimson

aqgalaxy
03-13-2008, 01:30 PM
OK, who voted? How can you vote on this without even seeing the newest episode?

Aaron & Todd Helbing, wrote this, and it's their first time writing for smallville. Chances are they didn't do it justice.

I suggest Skipping it, if you're a fan of all or either Clark, Chloe, Pete, Jimmy, and even Kara.

If you're a Lex fan, it's somewhat of a good episode for him.

MidgardDragon
03-13-2008, 01:32 PM
I can't see a FOTW episode beating Vengeance and Crimson (even though Vengeance contained a technical FOTW, she was clearly meant to be more in the superhero episode category). Then again, it has Pete. No way will it be any worse than Kinetic, Suspect, and Velocity.

ETA: Actually, come to think about it, since this one has Pete, the FOTW status is once again only a technicality and is more of a character centered episode. I will hope for the best but I'm still fighting off my upset at them using the "Hero" episode title for filler.

Darkcook
03-13-2008, 04:59 PM
Even if I still did not see Hero, Crimson is my favourite ever. Vengeance and Suspect were great, I have a fantastic memory of my shock when I found out about Ethan.

Alexander III
03-13-2008, 05:44 PM
It's gotta be "Crimson"

jazel
03-13-2008, 05:45 PM
^^^ Yup....my vote too, until the pathetic kidnapping of a pregnant, engaged woman.:lol:

lastwords
03-13-2008, 06:02 PM
All the episodes on this list have to be better then the "stride gum advertisement" Lol.

jazel
03-13-2008, 06:31 PM
stride gum ? :lol:
nice to know, EVERYBODY has a price....gum ?*confused*

thehenry89
03-13-2008, 06:32 PM
so far crimson, but i haven't seen this one yet

RJLCyberPunk
03-13-2008, 07:07 PM
This poll is too one sided and we have yet to see all the episodes od this current season to see which is really the best one...

minerva73
03-13-2008, 07:16 PM
This poll is too one sided and we have yet to see all the episodes od this current season to see which is really the best one...

There's a poll like this for every episode of the season. :\ And it's only comparing the 13th episode. Not the entire season.

I liked "Crimson" the most. The plot was pretty solid and the character development was nice as well. "Hero" would be about third or fourth in my list. "Vengeance" comes next for me.

clana4everfan2
03-13-2008, 07:29 PM
Definitely Crimson was the best!

theotherJane
03-13-2008, 07:30 PM
Crimson!

Rhaspodel
03-13-2008, 07:34 PM
It's usually the 13th episode that starts a rave of excitement to the finale (Crimson, Vengeance, Hero).

Actually it's ironic this 13th episode released on March 13, 2008

Sarah J
03-13-2008, 07:35 PM
Crimson!! I mean come on Clark yelling "I'm not done yet" at Lex then throwing Lex the baby rattle was clasic. I also I'm a sucker for red K Clark, it's just something to do with all that black and leather

6-Super-Man -5
03-13-2008, 07:42 PM
"Hero" and "Vengeance" are close, but "Crimson" is my favorite.

minerva73
03-13-2008, 07:43 PM
It's usually the 13th episode that starts a rave of excitement to the finale (Crimson, Vengeance, Hero).

Actually it's ironic this 13th episode released on March 13, 2008

Agreed. And somehow Lex is always pulling some strings in the episode with a female in those three episodes.

Ginx
03-13-2008, 07:50 PM
Had to go with Crimson - I liked that CK and Lois finally got together to cause some trouble - even if it was shortlived.

MrsK
03-13-2008, 07:54 PM
Crimson, with Vengeance a close second. Love the scene at the end when Clark sees the video of Jonathan and finally cries.

psyko69
03-13-2008, 07:57 PM
stride gum ? :lol:
nice to know, EVERYBODY has a price....gum ?*confused*

I've noticed a ton of product placement and in show ads this season, but I have to say I really don't mind. We are getting the most awesome season the show has had. It is kicking the crap out of five. The ads pay for the killer special effects (flying, Brainiac, Canary Cry...) which have all been top notch this season. I honestly don't mind this ad stuff one bit if it keeps delivering such wicked payoff!:D

Mr. Clark Kent27
03-13-2008, 08:00 PM
Vengence and Crimson, and Hero, third place.

SVfan4ever
03-13-2008, 08:24 PM
Crimson, Vengeance, then Suspect third.

jazel
03-13-2008, 09:58 PM
I've noticed a ton of product placement and in show ads this season, but I have to say I really don't mind. We are getting the most awesome season the show has had. It is kicking the crap out of five. The ads pay for the killer special effects (flying, Brainiac, Canary Cry...) which have all been top notch this season. I honestly don't mind this ad stuff one bit if it keeps delivering such wicked payoff!:D

Most awesome, season ? :confused:
Understand, BUT "some" fans have higher expectations. :(
I believe, SV will NEVER even give a hint of a guy named Superman.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
thus making it ALL null and void.:p

susangail
03-13-2008, 10:09 PM
Vengeance, hands down. Crimson was fun but not quite in the same DVD re-watch league.

skully
03-14-2008, 04:24 AM
I suspected Crimson would be hard to beat. I thought Hero was pretty good but it doesn't beat out Crimson as the best 13th episode of the season.

Jaderoyale
03-14-2008, 05:43 AM
Even though i've already said i can vote now.
It did not beat Crimson.
Vengance comes second.

MidgardDragon
03-14-2008, 07:08 AM
Most awesome, season ? :confused:
Understand, BUT "some" fans have higher expectations. :(
I believe, SV will NEVER even give a hint of a guy named Superman.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
thus making it ALL null and void.:p

Thus making the post you're quoting someone who disagrees with YOU and happens to have people who agrees with THEM.

As far as Best 13th, mine goes to Crimson, but Season 7 has already won a *lot* of these polls this season so I'm not complaining. Definitely one of the best, if you're, y'know, actually into it for the story and aren't just wanting exactly how *you* would write the story to appear on screen, but actually want to see what REAL writers would do rather than recycling old ideas that certain people *cough* want to be recycled.

red_sun1938
03-14-2008, 07:21 AM
Definitely Crimson was the best!

Yeah.

JorEl23
03-14-2008, 07:38 AM
Best to worst...and quite frankly the 13th episode of the 1st four seasons are all pretty weak with very little difference in their respective qualities.

Season 6: "Crimson"
Season 5: "Vengeance"
Season 7: "Hero"
Season 4: "Recruit"
Season 2: "Suspect"
Season 3: "Velocity"
Season 1: "Kinetic"

chlo-el
03-14-2008, 09:36 AM
I'd say Vengence no contest. Why can't they bring Andrea back just once?

double L
03-14-2008, 10:26 AM
Crimson by a a long way. The highlight of season 6, imo.

It's certainly not Hero.

DGirlLois4Clark
03-14-2008, 10:34 AM
Best to worst

"Crimson"
"Vengeance"
"Recruit"
"Hero"
"Kinetic"
"Suspect"
"Velocity"

Luv4PhilCollins729
03-14-2008, 10:49 AM
My Best to worst.

"Crimson"
"Vengeance"
"Suspect"
"Hero"
"Kinetic"
"Recruit"
"Velocity"

DreadShamus
03-14-2008, 11:27 AM
Suspect.

Looking at the choices, I amazed how most of the season's 13th episodes bore me.

Mars Investigations
03-14-2008, 12:24 PM
I had to stick with "Crimson".

"Vengeance" takes second place; "Hero", third; "Kinetic", fourth; "Suspect", fifth; "Recruit", sixth; "Velocity", final.

AmericanJan1
03-14-2008, 12:45 PM
Gotta go with Crimson. Lois being all lovestruck and pining over Clark, that was classic. Then the scene at the engagement dinner where Lois was eating all the desserts and whining , "what does SHE have that I don't have?" was hilarious. Plus I am a sucker for "Bad" Clark. I love it when he takes over.

Twitch
03-14-2008, 01:18 PM
Crimson for me too, Clark crashing the dinner was enough for my vote. Man does he ever rip into everybody, got to love Red-K Clark.

Oh and the hot Lois and Clark action was a huge bonus of course. :D

lilkoolmaria
03-14-2008, 02:35 PM
Definitely Crimson. :)

vyperman7
03-14-2008, 02:36 PM
I would probably give Hero 3rd place...

#1 - Has to be Vengenance. Fantastic episode from start to finish. Reckoning was god awful. But luckily Vengenace was a great follow up.

#2 - Crimson was a great episode. Very entertaining, and some good Clois/Clex moments in the episode.

#3 - Hero wasn't perfect but highly enjoyable for me. Great continuity, the return of Pete, and a lot of great scenes.

CK4eva
03-14-2008, 02:47 PM
Crimson is by far the best!

Super Maverick
03-14-2008, 03:07 PM
Oh snap, I got the seasons mixed up. Crimson was good, and Lois is super hot in it but I think I meant to vote for Velocity. That's the one where Pete is a street racer, right?

ginnyfan
03-16-2008, 08:08 PM
I can't decide between Recruit, Vengeance and Crimson.

83kaL
03-16-2008, 08:32 PM
I don't think even Season 8's 13th would beat Crimson!

TheLightOfKrypton
03-16-2008, 08:34 PM
I said Vengeance. It was so dark and depressing and Clark met Andrea who, in my recollection was the first person he has met out there in the world helping all sorts of people, you could say he met his first superhero. Not to mention, the overtoned Batman homages were cool. That is not what makes this the best 13th episode for me. It was the reason Clark met this girl, Jonathan's watch and his Mom being mugged. When everything is fixed, he has the watch back and all is good and he goes inside the house, there's Martha watching that video of Jonathan and Clark on the tractor. Martha is crying and Clark has this look that says I don't know if I can go on without my Dad. Then Jonathan waves and says goodbye. That moment bursts me into tears everytime I see it. It holds a special place in my heart for the emotions in it ad the emotions it invoked in me. I felt Clark's pain. I know that's strange, but I did. That's why, for me, Vengeance was the best. Hero was good, it brought out some deep truths Calrk needs to deal with robably with everybody, but it was not the best. I understand that Pete is bitter about everything, but he was just so not Pete. He was "on" kryptonite, but for the amount he had, nothing that major should have happened to him. The plot device was just lame for me. It was good, but not the best.

Yasise
03-17-2008, 06:37 AM
I looooved "Crimson" sooo much. I could watch it over and over again. Red-K-Clark is sooo sexy, and as I said before in another thread, Tom's doing angry so well - I love it!!

Ardiem3
03-17-2008, 08:23 AM
I looooved "Crimson" sooo much. I could watch it over and over again. Red-K-Clark is sooo sexy, and as I said before in another thread, Tom's doing angry so well - I love it!!

Yea, the line when Clark yells, "I am not done yet!" gets me every time :D

Yasise
03-17-2008, 08:27 AM
Yea, the line when Clark yells, "I am not done yet!" gets me every time :D

Yaahh, so cool and soooo yummie at the same time *sigh*

smallvillelogan
03-17-2008, 05:46 PM
I said Vengeance. It was so dark and depressing and Clark met Andrea who, in my recollection was the first person he has met out there in the world helping all sorts of people, you could say he met his first superhero. Not to mention, the overtoned Batman homages were cool. That is not what makes this the best 13th episode for me. It was the reason Clark met this girl, Jonathan's watch and his Mom being mugged. When everything is fixed, he has the watch back and all is good and he goes inside the house, there's Martha watching that video of Jonathan and Clark on the tractor. Martha is crying and Clark has this look that says I don't know if I can go on without my Dad. Then Jonathan waves and says goodbye. That moment bursts me into tears everytime I see it. It holds a special place in my heart for the emotions in it ad the emotions it invoked in me. I felt Clark's pain. I know that's strange, but I did. That's why, for me, Vengeance was the best. Hero was good, it brought out some deep truths Calrk needs to deal with everybody, but it was not the best. I understand that Pete is bitter about everything, but he was just so not Pete. He was "on" kryptonite, but for the amount he had, nothing that major should have happened to him. The plot device was just lame for me. It was good, but not the best.

I completely agree with this one. I like 'Vengeance' the most for all those reasons, and agree with the lame plot device.

'Vengeance' is my favorite, followed by 'Hero,' and then 'Recruit.' I love any episode with sports involved (like the one with the kryptonite-enhanced high school baseball players), so that's why Recruit was pretty cool.

simaozinho200
03-17-2008, 05:49 PM
crimson was the best 13th episode by far that really worked well and the fact they brought bad ck back was great

smallvillelogan
03-17-2008, 06:32 PM
I really liked Crimson for its second half, when Clark crashes the wedding party. Like 'Hero,' the premise of a character getting changed whether it be mental or physical was dumb- where in 'Hero' Pete chews some gum to get his power, Lois puts on red-K lipstick to change her. But I feel that both shows overall were solid if you overlook the silly premise (krypto-lipstick and krypto-chewing gum).

Hopefulsuicide
03-17-2008, 06:49 PM
i voted kinetic... i actually really liked that episode

had some brilliant chlark moments, and i like clark and whitney working together

i know its not the best episode ever, but i felt like it deserved a vote lol

Welling_is_pretty
03-17-2008, 07:06 PM
Wow, I didn't notice how many of the 13th episodes sucked! I had a hard time choosing cause almost none of these were good, to my mind. (although I find it interesting that Velocity was also a 13th episode!)
I finally went with Suspect. That was a pretty good mystery with a killer (heh) twist at the end.

rebukey
03-17-2008, 07:09 PM
wow, evidently I am very out of touch with most people on this board :)

It was between Vengeance and Recruit for me. I liked that Clark was dealing with some serious emotional issues in Vengeance and came out on top. I also really like the scene with Clark pretending to steal Chloe's handbag. It made me laugh! But Recruit won out because not pursuing football was one of the most mature decisions I think Clark has every made.

alejandrita439
08-12-2008, 06:51 PM
i like crimson

cksidekick
08-12-2008, 07:06 PM
wow, evidently I am very out of touch with most people on this board :)

It was between Vengeance and Recruit for me. I liked that Clark was dealing with some serious emotional issues in Vengeance and came out on top. I also really like the scene with Clark pretending to steal Chloe's handbag. It made me laugh! But Recruit won out because not pursuing football was one of the most mature decisions I think Clark has every made.

Vengance is my favorite, but i'm with you on reqruit...that scene at the end when he looks all around the stadium and he is dressed in red and blue...he takes a deep breath, and does one of the most Supermanly things he has done on Smallville...he walks away...

i see Superman in that scene...it's one of my all time favorites...you feel sad aand proud at the same time...

Nimkong
03-04-2010, 07:35 PM
Crimson just because of red kryptonite