Loved It? Hated It? What did you think of "Hero"? [Archive]

NeoSuperman

03-12-2008, 07:44 PM

Could have been a lot better, especially with Pete back and all. It should have been more about him coming back and observing all the changes in people he used to know.

Instead of cramming in a one liner here and there about how Clark shouldn't do this, Clark shouldn't trust that, they could have made the episode focus more on Pete's observing how much Lex has changed. In fact, he could have even thrown that into Lex's face. He could have reminded Lex over how he and Mr. Kent never trusted Lex, how they tried to warn Clark that he was no good to be around. He could have reminded Lex of all the times Clark had defended him and told people he wouldn't become the type of person he is right now. It could have gone great with what we've seen last episode where we find out there is still some good in Lex. Instead what did we get? Pete angry at Clark?! Pete stealing for Lex?!
What a waste of potential...
Then again that's what the show has been since season 5 imo. :\

jazel

03-12-2008, 08:29 PM

What a waste of potential...

:( now I'm really NOT looking forward, to even seeing it.
how was the Clana in this epi ? They seem weary of each other, since Fracture.

NeoSuperman

03-13-2008, 12:10 AM

Clana was almost non existent.

LoveHurts38

03-13-2008, 09:07 AM

It was crap!!!!!!

Well, that means I am going to watch my VM DVD:D

MidgardDragon

03-13-2008, 09:29 AM

Twitch

03-13-2008, 09:43 AM

Whoever makes the US poll should make the votes public too. I'd love to see who all votes it a 1 and if any of them actually post or if they're just lurkers. :D Somehow I doubt the results of the current poll, though. My best guess for this episode is that it'll turn out to be a 6 or 7. I doubt it can be a 9 just based on the premise, but 1's and 2's are reserved for television that isn't even technically competent, not episodes of shows that you just happened to not like.
Is it even possible to make the votes public? This episode definitely doesn't deserve a 1. Personally I gave it a 4, yeah that might be a little harsh but it really wasn't anything special. Maybe I was just expecting too much with the return of Pete. I found it a little sloppy and the product placement was a little much to be honest, too much stride! :lol:

Poyntz

03-13-2008, 10:12 AM

I really wasn't that impressed. The only thing i liked was the chlex confrontation and even the Pete/Lex (lex?) show down before he went to get the bracelet. The other thing i did like was end where it was setting up the story to move forwards for the next episode.. It seemed this whole episode was a thriller and Plot Device.

I like Pete. but it seems it was like the other times he's gotten high on his bridges like in the one where he got high from the parasite bite and the time when he was racing cars (sorry don't remember episode titles off hand).

Also the stretching power are pretty weird. Exspecally the way he got it. So anyone that chewed a piece of that gum from that box would get infected? why weren't their other stretching people around then? Also how did that work. I would think that the gum got the K in the bloodstream and that what gave the abilities.. but obviously that wasn't the case because as soon as it was out of his mouth all traces were gone????

I don't know.. maybe i missed something somewhere. I guess ill have to watch it again.

Also not sure how i feel about Kara in the Luther mansion. Although i must say i wasn't surprised of that. I saw that coming a mile away.

I almost wanted to hear Clark say at one point to Pete when he was being bitter "where were you at my fathers funeral?" LOL

I gave it a 3. Just was disappointed since i was expecting more i guess with Pete coming back and being the first episode back after 3 weeks.

One thing i did like was their wasn't so much Lana in it :) although i would of loved to see some sort of flirt or something between Lana and Pete to show the future of the 2 characters.

DreadShamus

03-13-2008, 07:03 PM

I was going to give it a 4, because it was the most boring and least interesting episode I have seen this season. I gave it a 5 because the preview for next week was AWESOME!

"RELEASE THE SON OF KRYPTON!"

reobeem

03-13-2008, 07:03 PM

I'm surprised at how good this episode was see as how the last time Pete was there it didn't go so well. Ithought he would of had the power when he returned but the cheesy gum angle worked. I loved how they left it open for him to come back, maybe even with the Justice League. The preview for Traveler looked sweet to. I give this a 9/10.

DreadShamus

03-13-2008, 07:04 PM

They could have done so much more with Pete, and having him come back all bitter and whiny, and getting owned by Lex yet again.

Meh, the only good part of the episode was seeing Lex laid out in a 360 by Clark. About time it happened.

ginnyfan

03-13-2008, 07:06 PM

I gave it a five thanks to Jimmy, Chimmy, Chloe and Pete. The plot stunk. Recycling is good for glass, plastic and paper, not for Smallville episodes. If not for Jimmy, Chimmy, Chloe and Pete this epsiode would have gotten a 1. There was a cute Lana/Pete hug/smile. And I really want a piece of Stride gum. Kryptonite free please.

LOL!!!!

ETA: Where was Lois Lane?

Insight

03-13-2008, 07:07 PM

It was kind of a nostalgic episode for a while, but the HORRIBLE editing just really ruined even that. The into-break and out-of-break cuts were REALLY bad. And it really doesn't make sense for Clark to be so adamant about not telling Kara the truth.

I'll give it a 5 for nostalgia.

DreadShamus

03-13-2008, 07:11 PM

Sarah J

03-13-2008, 07:12 PM

umm I gave it a 7. It was nice to see Pete again but I was very disapointed, I was expecting a lot more from this epi. I mean when I saw the previews I got realy excited about Pete returning, but I was disapointed

spideyfan

03-13-2008, 07:16 PM

I gave it an 8 only becuase of One Republic and Pete.
I expected more.

COns:
Lana even though she was tolerable
Kara thing w /Lex

Pros:
Lionel is bad
CK save
Pete
One Republic

jazel

03-13-2008, 07:19 PM

Rather see LifeHouse, over One Republic.:p
CK lies, and keeps things from his own blood....Kara's bracelet, much like her crystal...look how well that turned out....MORE time-out....popsicle like ? :lol:

CallMeClark

03-13-2008, 07:22 PM

A great episode.

The corny superpower didn't even bother me. It was great.

I gave it a day.

alienkinfolk

03-13-2008, 07:25 PM

I gave it a 5. It was not good and not bad all at the same time. Happy to see Pete and then happy to see Pete leave.Clana united forces to lie to Kara instead of wining over each other.And Lionel had the bracelet...CK looked like he wanted to knock Lionel's face off...lol.priceless

optimusprimejr

03-13-2008, 07:28 PM

I liked it! Ol'school Smallville cool!

jazel

03-13-2008, 07:28 PM

Horrible.......EVERYBODY lies, and deems it the best, and only way.:p
NOT "digging", the 30 year old Clark Kent (poor sap, has aged ALOT.....since having his Clana wish fufilled), not digging the Chloe, "I have secrets, I have to hide"....even Jimmy is "cool" with it. Did dig Lex.....I'll move into "his" mansion, anytime.;)
The BIG reveal ? Smallville, has NOTHING to do with, a simple guy like Superman.:lol:

theotherJane

03-13-2008, 07:34 PM

It was a good Lex episode. But I gotta say, as much as I love Pete, SJ III is a horrible actor.
Maybe he's just a little rusty.

Ginx

03-13-2008, 07:34 PM

6/10 - I was disappointed. Pete was acting like a 'hero', the blew the reunion with CK and Pete, Kara is becoming more and more boring and Lana-isk, and it just felt like the entire thing was a 32 min Stride gum commercial with Sprint tie-ins and some Smallville thrown in here and there...... it was a dry episode.

The only parts that saved it for me were the Lex scenes because he was evil and just didn't care.

LuckyLois

03-13-2008, 07:36 PM

I wanted to see Clark confront Lionel. Loved seeing Lana squirm when Kara was grilling her the way she used to grill Clark. When Kara left Lana was standing there with the same face Clark used to make when she would storm off. Glad to see Pete back but he only seemed himself with Chloe. I gave it a 7 because of the lead into next episode and for Jimmy and Chloe. Why didn't Jimmy tell Chloe Lex knows her secret. i would think that is a pretty important thing to let her know Lex is on to her!!

Minela

03-13-2008, 07:37 PM

jazel

03-13-2008, 07:37 PM

It was a good Lex episode. But I gotta say, as much as I love Pete, SJ III is a horrible actor.
Maybe he's just a little rusty.

:lol:.... My bro insists, that this is WHY, he was cut loose, when he was.:lol:
I don't, even care about Pete.....and SV gave NO reason, I should.:lol:

WickedJenn

03-13-2008, 07:40 PM

I gave it a 6. Wasn't the best, but what I really liked was all the foreshadowing for the next two epis. Namely the "Veritas" symbol and that Kara/Lana scene in the barn. You know why Lana looked pained when she saw that symbol!

PaleBlueDot

03-13-2008, 07:44 PM

I gave it a 1. Episode written around a product placement.

Don't get me wrong. I don't really mind product placement. I understand it. But there's a huge difference between name dropping during an ep and making an episode revolve around a product at the expense of the storyline. This reminds me of that gawd awful Ford Commercial (some called it the Knight Rider Movie).

No wonder there were so many boxes of gum around the warehouse...who would want to support a company that is so bad it can ruin an TV show?

WickedJenn

03-13-2008, 07:48 PM

I agree on that count, there was superfluous name-dropping.

Mrs.Bizzaro

03-13-2008, 07:53 PM

I gave it an 8. Pete coming back was awesome but I wish they didnt make him a FOTW and brushed over the welcome backs...clark and Lana should have been more happy to see him and there should have been at least an OMG! and a sit down with coffee.

I loved how Jimmy and Chloe were at the end. I'm glad to see he finally came to his senses and told Chloe he wanted her back.

Lana and Clark still together and it seems as though things are fine between them...I thought they were on the rocks? It would have been better to see them kinda avoid each (still civil of course) other still instead of the quick kisses.

I would have loved to see the "talk" Clark wanted to have with Lionel. Clark looked really pissed - it was great seeing him like he was about to put Lionel in a corner. Maybe next episode.

Kara and Lex?!! that was good and awful at the same time.

Oh yeah and Chloe saying "maybe they shouldn't make their flavor last so long"....ugh, why oh why did they do that?

Ladyalchemy

03-13-2008, 08:08 PM

It was awful and I am incredibly disappointed. I was all excited of the Pete, Clark, Chlo reunion but it bombed. Then we have Clark and Lana doing the cloak and dagger hat trick to Kara - like that worked so well in the past...
We have Jimmy saying there was no spark between him an Kara of course not you dope she doesn't have a freekin' clue who you are so then he starts sniffing at Chloe's heals and she being the I NEED someone to love me person all of a sudden says "Sure I know what its like to be a back-pocket girl not only will I do it for Clark, I'll do it for you too."
It has left me with only an acronym. WTF

I gave it a four purely because I didnt have to hear a certin someone call Clark "Smallville".

curiosity

03-13-2008, 08:10 PM

I liked it ok, but it shouldn't have focused so much on Pete. Clark needs the focus, he's got the super powers and no one else will match Clark, not for any Superman fan. I like Clark to interact with other characters, but never do I like the show to focus on someone else's development. Did we really need to watch Pete learn how difficult it was to be Clark, and learn all about what it's like to have a power and get blackmailed by Lex?

I liked seeing Pete, but as always, I want to see a show about Clark, and Clark wasn't the main character. I liked Lex in this one, he's getting so evil. Chloe was great. I don't like to see scenes of the Chloe/ Jimmy love story though.

I agree, the whole "Kara doesn't trust Clark and Lana" was silly. But they obviously needed a way to get her to Lex's mansion. But coudln't Clark and Lana have told her she needs to regain her memory on her own, or something?

I still gave it an 8 because this whole season is so much better than last, and I love Smallville it's my favorite show.

Joe-Rel

03-13-2008, 08:11 PM

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curiosity

03-13-2008, 08:13 PM

bizzaroboy9

03-13-2008, 08:15 PM

the episode was awesome! i loved it! i gave it a nine. the reason is that it was a FOTW epi. it was very interesting and oh boy Lex is so evil in this one!! cant wait for next week!!! :D

The Great Ymmij

03-13-2008, 08:17 PM

I gave it a 9. I thought they handled Pete's return very well. I loved all the continuity in the episode, and for once, the Clana was angst-free! I also liked how it set up for the next episode with Lionel being mysterious as well as the mystery behind Kara's bracelet. The ending was good too b/c it showed how manipulative Lex was towards Kara. The more evil Lex is, the better. I really enjoyed this episode, and I really think people expect WAY too much.

bizzaroboy9

03-13-2008, 08:19 PM

Ladyalchemy

03-13-2008, 08:20 PM

In contrast, I love Lois. She would have made this episode much better than it was. And to answer you Joe-Rel, they feel they can't tell Kara, because she doesn't have her powers and she'd never believe them.

I like ED, she is a good actress but I am not a fan of how they have made this Lois, she grades my nerves but to each his own.

Kevin24

03-13-2008, 08:21 PM

xHerox

03-13-2008, 08:28 PM

I'm giving this episode a '6', but I'm not sure if that's the right score to give it (one way or other other). I was really anticipating this episode both because it was new and because of the excellent previews. Unfortunately, I was quite disappointed with a lot of aspects.

On one hand, I have to say that this is certainly the most "gimmick"-themed episode of the show in quite a while - and perhaps throughout it's entire run. First of all, bringing back Pete was a good idea and it really meshed with how this season's continuity has been going, but I think a lot of potential was lost in what seems to be a one-time guest shot (though I could see him making a few more appearances). In addition, I have to point out the obvious prevalence that Stride played in this episode. In the past, the product placement on the show has not bothered me one bit - in fact, I think it actually adds something at times - but I think they took a step too far tonight. At times it really felt like a commercial for the gum from both the continuous name-dropping to the very storyline. That being said, I don't completely mind the sponsorship because I'm liking the promotional comic idea on The CW's website, so that's a plus.

Still, this episode is not completely without merit. I think that a lot of stories are being set up in a very subtle manner and I get the feeling they will pay off big time in the coming episodes. In addition, I find the way they handled Lex very interesting and I really like the parallel structure between Kara's current situation and the one Lana was in last season.

As a side note, the preview for next week's episode looks fantastic, and because it seems to feature what I thought would be coming in this episode, I don't think I'm going to be let down!

6-Super-Man -5

03-13-2008, 08:30 PM

I gave it a 9, because Pete returns! Had good music in it, Lionel face was so funny when Clark said "We need to talk" what made the episode suck is Kara.

Lexgirl33

03-13-2008, 08:37 PM

Why do they alway make Pete "badass" and then they make you feel sorry for him? I don't get it. It was good to see him back though. Decent episode at most. Evil Lex always seems to be the best part of every episode.

STFanatic

03-13-2008, 08:38 PM

Must have Stride Gum.... Must have Stride Gum.... Must have Stride Gum.... Must have Stride Gum.... :eek:

I felt bad for Sam Jones lll all the way through the episode, his big return and all they used him for was hawking the singing group and gum. :(

BadToad

03-13-2008, 08:38 PM

I'm giving this one a 6. Which might be a little generous, but there was enough I liked about to cut it a bit of slack.

I thought Lex was delightfully sinister. He was definitely the competent villian tonight.

I thought Clark came across as calm and mature. I just wish he had some additional dialogue. There were a lot of scenes where it really seemed like there needed to be a line from him, and there just wasn't. The show really needs a bit more Clark perspective, instead of people yammering to Clark about their perspective on what Clark should do with his life.

I sort of get the reasons for not telling Kara, but on the other hand, they are handling this so badly. That part of the story seems contrived. And LV seems to have lost a step since she was introduced on the show.

I was glad to see Pete back, but sorry that he was such a jerk. Honestly, blaming Clark for his problems is super lame.

And Ugh, Chimmy again? It didn't really work for me the first time around. Or second. Hate to see that rear its ugly head a third time. And didn't Jimmy seem all into Kara in the beginning? And then he's just going to blow her off because she lost her memory? Wow Chloe, that one is a keeper :rolleyes:

loistickyfingerz

03-13-2008, 08:42 PM

It was nice to have Pete back, but the Stride gum just went waaay over the top. What, does Stride exclusivly fund Smallville now? Because the overly obvious plugs in recent episodes weren't enough to convince me there was product placement going on.

The story wove itself together well, and I really liked the Lex-Kara interaction. It really is nice to have Lex doing something truly threatening again and not just random kryptonite experiments.

Darth Pipes

03-13-2008, 08:43 PM

I thought the episode was good though not as good as the previous episodes. Very nice seeing the return of Pete.

Clark didn't tell her about the bracelet because he's a ****ing idiot! I can understand the problems of telling someone with amnesia such an incredible story but Clark has done what he does best. Do absolutely nothing until the problem explodes. He has basically allowed Kara to walk right into Lex's mansion because he's too much of a chicken **** to do anything about it or be pro-active. He does every bad thing that happens to him from this point forward.

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Could have been a lot better, especially with Pete back and all. It should have been more about him coming back and observing all the changes in people he used to know.

Instead of cramming in a one liner here and there about how Clark shouldn't do this, Clark shouldn't trust that, they could have made the episode focus more on Pete's observing how much Lex has changed. In fact, he could have even thrown that into Lex's face. He could have reminded Lex over how he and Mr. Kent never trusted Lex, how they tried to warn Clark that he was no good to be around. He could have reminded Lex of all the times Clark had defended him and told people he wouldn't become the type of person he is right now. It could have gone great with what we've seen last episode where we find out there is still some good in Lex. Instead what did we get? Pete angry at Clark?! Pete stealing for Lex?!
What a waste of potential...
Then again that's what the show has been since season 5 imo. :\

Very true. Clark proved what an inexcuseable moron he was tonight but everyone seems quick to give Lex a pass for turning into monster.

warriorrenegade

03-13-2008, 09:03 PM

As a whole the episode felt uneventful. Nothing was memorable and most was forgettable. Only stand out was seeing Sam Jones back, but even that didn't feel special...and it should've been. Shame on you PTB...I give the episode a 5/10, average at best.

SVfan4ever

03-13-2008, 09:06 PM

I'm giving this a 7. It was OK, but could have been so much better.
Cons - Chimmy, didn't work the first time, doesn't work now
Pete, never really cared for Pete, now I remember why.
Kara, whinny, she needs her memory back quick

Pros - Lex, I absolutely love to hate him
Lionel, he keeps me guessing
Clark, loved the Lex on his butt hit
Almost no Clana
Awesome trailer for Traveler

Mar-El

03-13-2008, 09:15 PM

It was mediocre. I gave it a 4, though perhaps that was a little rash. I think it's more of a 6. As people pointed out, this was a great Lex episode.

On top of that, it moved the main plot forward a bit, which is good.

I just thought the entire script was tacky. The episode is one entire shameless promotion. Telecapitalism at its worst.

susangail

03-13-2008, 09:31 PM

I gave it a 5 as well: not the best but not the worst.

My favorite scene was when Clark laid out the crony and Lex. It occurred to me that the last time Pete saw Clark, he wasn't as powerful; Clark can now do all that without being seen. I couldn't understand why Pete was so bitter, but at least he and Clark came to an understanding in the end. The show ended with my hope that Pete would become a cop or an EMT :)

My least favorite scene was probably the Kara/Lana conversation in the loft -- for what? Second-to-least favorite was the familiar Kryptonite-on-the-chest device -- why on earth can't Clark bat it off?

double L

03-13-2008, 09:37 PM

Sucked, Fierce was worse, but that is not saying much.

jazel

03-13-2008, 09:38 PM

^^^ :lol:

FLyxNERD

03-13-2008, 09:57 PM

the writers made this episode like the old school smallville and the fact that Pete Ross came bak n he is old school, so i guess they wanted 2 bring back the old school feel from season 1-3 to this hero episode...

so comparing this to the episodes from season 1-3 i thot it was good

jazel

03-13-2008, 09:59 PM

don't know Pete, and thanks to TPTB, I have no business even going there.:lol:

SnowBird

03-13-2008, 10:16 PM

I was looking forward to a new episode. Gum was a good way to give someone a temporary stretching ability and Pete did some good with it. Nothing else new with Pete as he also over reacted in the past...That was a great moment when Lana didn't tell Kara the truth about being alien. Lana now knows what it was like for Clark to have to keep his heritage a secret. If Kara knows that she and Clark are Kryptonians before she gets her memory back, she might go to Lex and spill the beans. At the end, you could tell it really hurt Clark to have to hide Kara's braclet and keep it a secret from her but it is a wise decision...The foreshadowing throughout is really making me look forward to the next episodes. Clark finding the braclet in Lionel's position, Lionel saving Clark from kryptonite, Clark's disapproving look he gave him. Lionel's last look at the Kryptonite. Is Lionel up to no good? Jimmy knows a lot more than he is telling about Chloe making me wonder where that is going...The episode was old Smallville but it gave us a lot to think about and a chance to see Pete. Loved to see Pete and Clark playing basketball again. Since Pete left, Clark doesn't have anyone in his life to be like a brother...Clark saves the day in this episode so I gave it a 7.

Who

03-13-2008, 10:20 PM

Pete!!!!!!!!!

DancingCrane2

03-13-2008, 10:56 PM

The name dropping was a little over zealous. I think that the writers were trying to some off nostalgic and just ended up coming of seeming rushed and pained.

jazel

03-13-2008, 11:04 PM

Lana's face, looked like it really hurt.:lol:

SparkleforSmallville

03-13-2008, 11:51 PM

I gave it a 10! Although it seemed abit rushed in places, they did really well in setting things up for the coming episodes.

The loft scene was awesome, Lana in Clark's shoes, and Kara in Lana's, but also Lana new exactly how Kara felt. Lex is putting clues together, very ominous. Good to see some of the Clark and Pete chemistry.

Loved the scene with Clark putting the bracelet in his secret hiding place. You could tell he feels bad about Kara, but also now, once again he has to worry about Lionel and Lex.

and.....OMG! That Trailer blew me away! There is so much there! I'm amped up, can't sleep now:lol: In the last frame, it showed Lionel by what? A window, the cage all busted?

Gotta watch it again:)

ginnyfan

03-13-2008, 11:59 PM

SparkleforSmallville

03-14-2008, 12:16 AM

Hate gum, love Smallville! Isn't that why we're here?

ginnyfan

03-14-2008, 12:21 AM

Hate gum, love Smallville! Isn't that why we're here?

LOL! Yes. That's why we are here. :)

GuardianAngel

03-14-2008, 01:45 AM

I gave it a 9, because Pete returns! Had good music in it, Lionel face was so funny when Clark said "We need to talk" what made the episode suck is Kara.

Agreed! I also didn't mind the way they handled Pete's unresolved feelings towards Clark. They didn't exactly depart in friendly terms at the end of season 3.

All in all, a very good episode, except for Kara and Lana not mentioning some of the evil things Lex did to her as a way of warning Kara about him without revealing Clark's secret.

vyperman7

03-14-2008, 03:06 AM

Enjoyed tonight's episode a lot. It was really great to see Pete back. Great basketball scene in the first part of the episode. Great lookback on Duplicity. "Finally brought my game up to your level". Great line.. I liked the continuity a lot in this episode. Great stuff with the symbols involving Lana's tatoo, the symbol burn from Rosetta, and the mention of the Kawatchi caves. I also liked the little twist in regards to Lionel keeping the bracelet in his safe.

There were also 2 great scenes with Pete and Lex. I especially liked the first one in Lex's office. The second where Pete attempts to kill Lex was cool for me because it really showed Lex in more of a villain like mindset. Man, the scene with Pete getting his arms bent back was pretty damn brutal. Great cut going from Pete's scream, to the singer's scream.. :D It was also nice to see a scene between Lex and Chloe as well. It has been awhile since we got any interaction between them and I liked seeing Lex sitting behind the owner's desk in the DP. Getting to see Lex in Metropolis more sets up towards his future better. MR and AM always work well together when they actually get to have scenes together. The scene with Lex and the woman scientist was great as well. The mention of the first meteor shower in regards to the star chart was awesome. It is a shame we didn't get to find out the second piece of info. Finally, cool ending with Kara moving in with Lex.

Gripes :

- They cut out the scene where Pete swipes Lex's wallet at the DP. In the Director's Cut on CW's website, there is a scene where Pete uses his powers to swipe Lex's wallet, which sets up how he is able to gain access into Lex's office to plant the virus. In the version of the episode that played on TV, it made no sense because it suddenly cuts to Pete in Lex's office at the computer.

- Chimmy starting up again. I always hated the pairing, and I still do. Jimmy and Chloe have the worst chemistry ever. I don't like the fact that it just started up again. Too convienient.

- Lana comes off as a bit of a hypocrite in her behavior towards concealing the truth. All she did was bit*h and moan towards wanting Clark to be honest with her all through out the course of the show, and now Lana is doing the very same thing to Kara that Clark did to her.

- Kryptonite gum? I know they had to make Pete develop a power, but that has to be one of the lamest devices they have come up with yet in regards to Kryptonite. Not to mention the fact that Kryptonite altering Pete's mindset has been done already.

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Overall I would give this episode a solid 9/10. While the episode wasn't perfect, I still really enjoyed it a lot. Loved seeing Pete come back, fantastic continuity in regards to the mythos, and tons of great scenes.

skully

03-14-2008, 04:19 AM

I agree with V-man. This was a very well put-together episode. Sure, it wasn't frenetically paced but it had lots of continuity, more season-arc development and...Peter the Boss Ross (damn, he hardly looked any different - SJ III seems to hold his youthful looks better than TW!!)!! I thought Clark's muted enthusiasm to see Pete was nicely explained by Clark's "your could have at least returned one of my calls" line. And Pete's bitterness at his life being forever changed (even after moving to Wichita) because of knowing Clark's secret was amped by the K-laced Stride gum. And how can you not love the delightfully evil Lex (including his smirk at the end), and Pete's undying enmity towards the Luthors. Maybe Pete's words about the Luthors in Lionel's vault is a foreshadowing of Lionel becoming the MB again (before Lex kills him???). Chloe was outstanding as always and Jimmy had some key scenes that were done well. There were even a few superhero moments from Clark as well. And the One Republic music backing was well suited to the story line and pace of the episode.

Minor mark down for the lame method of acquisition of meteor powers by Pete (and how quickly he lost them once the gum was kicked from his mouth) but we already knew it was cheesy from the spoilers.

After reading everyone's comments today, I had low expectations, but I was very pleasantly surprised by Hero. I don't think this was a filler episode and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'd give it a decent 8.5/10

monel49

03-14-2008, 04:36 AM

I'm stretching a bit to give it a 7, but all in all it was a good ep. The writer's strike and the hiatus probably had us all wishing for a bit more mythos and a bit less whining from Pete, but in every season around this time, there is a stand alone episode that deals with the more ordinary stuff of human relationships--this is it for this season, and that's okay. Good to see SJIII again. No more high school stuff, Clark seems real grown up here and I'm glad they didn't just do the old high school bud thing. There's tension between Clark and Pete and there should be. Looking forward to the next episode--RELEASE THE SON OF KRYPTON!

Yasise

03-14-2008, 05:26 AM

I gave it a 6, but I'm not really sure why.

I liked to see Pete again and Lex was really sooo perfectly bad - loved it ;o)

What I didn't like was:

Why did only Pete develop these strechting abilities? There was so much of that gum out there and only he ate it???

Why was Clark not happier to see his old friend again? It was not like he welcomed a good friend, who he didn't see for 3 years, but a neighbour, who just dropped by to say hello.

Why didn't they show Clark talking with Lionel about what had happend in his office??? I would have liked to see that, because I was curious about Lionel's explanation concerning that bracelet.

I think it's nonsense to not tell Kara about her life before Detroit. I liked to have a scene where Clark and Kara would talk about that - but there was none of it in "Fracture" as well and I just don't get the reason why?
It's the same thing that happened to Lana in the other seasons, somehow. Clark never told her the truth about himself and that pushed Lana right into the arms of Lex. And now the same story is going on with Kara - Clark and Lana should have known better in that case.

For me, they pressed the reset button concerning Clana and I didn't like that. It's like "Persona" and "Fracture" never happened and the whole forum discussion about that Lexana sex scene in "Fracture" and its consequences to Clana seems ridiculous now and that disturbs me.

Jaderoyale

03-14-2008, 05:39 AM

Hmmmm. I don't know whether to give it a 7 or an 8 :confused:
After reading comments about it yesterday (in the canadian thread), i didn't know what to expect as everyone was disappointed by it. But i was slightly suprised.
I loved the look on Clarks face when Pete came into the doorway. Its was like sheer joy and suprise at seeing his best friend again.
For some reason, i found myself sympathising with Pete, for his bitterness towards Clark. In a way, i understood how hard it was for him, especially when he said; he had to keep looking over his shoulder. I guess thats hard on anyone, and to come back and find everything changed, pretty hard to deal with i guess.
Then i did get annoyed with Pete, especially when he put the Kryptonite on Clark.

Many people are saying they don't agree with Lana lying to Kara, but i do. It's not Lanas place to tell Kara about her past; its Clark's. Fair enough, Lana has moaned and moaned in the past about Clark not being honest with her, but now he is, she has to respect that, and she did. But i just wish she'd told Kara about how Lex hit her, and the fake pregnancy etc.
Kara really annoyed me in this episode. I wanted to reach in and shake her around.

Lex, was as evil as ever. I always enjoy Lex scenes.

And Lionel.
NAUGHTY NAUGHTY LIONEL.

And i agree with the fact that Pete, did not look any different at all! I do like Pete.

STFanatic

03-14-2008, 05:54 AM

I think the product placement may have backfired on them.

My 12 year old daughter summed it up with this comment to me:

"I wouldn't buy Stride gum because it may be contaminated with something".

jimmyolsenblues

03-14-2008, 06:33 AM

aside from knocking out lex, this was not a great episode.

MidgardDragon

03-14-2008, 06:51 AM

Definitely better than I anticipated, it gets a 8 from me. They worked in all the Pete references, including Product Placement Pete and even centered the episode around the product placement which is great for me because I get to giggle at all the whining about having to see some product labels (boo-freaking-hoo people you see them every day). The weakest thing was the ending and the (I'm hoping fake-out) set-up of Lexara. Pete was great, Jimmy and Chloe were great, Clark was great, Lionel was great, and Lex was great in all the non Kara scenes. Fillere, sure. But good filler.

I think the product placement may have backfired on them.

My 12 year old daughter summed it up with this comment to me:

"I wouldn't buy Stride gum because it may be contaminated with something".

It's clear they did it as a reference to product placement Pete. I wouldn't expect a 12 year old to get that, but I would expect an older person to get it and laugh at it as was intended.

ETA: *reads back through thread*

Yep, definitely worth giggling at all the whining over inconsequential stuff that should really be looked at as a part of the nostalgia of the episode. Good job on not getting what the episode was even about, majority. :)

STFanatic

03-14-2008, 07:03 AM

It's clear they did it as a reference to product placement Pete. I wouldn't expect a 12 year old to get that, but I would expect an older person to get it and laugh at it as was intended.

Yes, but who buys more gum?

I felt bad for Product Placement Pete.
Isn't that one of the reasons Sam Jones lll left the show?

I guess we can have a new nickname for Pete, "Gummy Pete" :p

Super Maverick

03-14-2008, 07:04 AM

it was meh

LoveHurts38

03-14-2008, 07:44 AM

Gave it a 4..Just because caught the 2nd half and Lana is a complete B!tch. Telling Kara that Clark does not like that people look through his things... Lana remember when you were snooping in his room?

superpal1

03-14-2008, 07:56 AM

Krypton935

03-14-2008, 08:13 AM

10! excellent episode! whoever said this was a filler is wrong I loved it and the temporary return of Pete was amazing and they pulled off the meteor freak thing great! Loved It!

WELLINGWIFE#2

03-14-2008, 09:07 AM

yeah what was up with Lana's *****iness last nite...yeesch....did she forget the looking aoround she did to try and find Ck's secret..or the "Set-up" where she looked Chloe in the wine cellar to find out CK's secret in Promise...and the meteror freak foundation...Puleeze..like Kara alone ..all she wants to find is about herself and where she comes from. Overall Epi was Ok...Pete was still whinny and jeolous of Clark still...he still gets himself in trouble and gets a hothead with kryptonite tehn Ck has to rescue him..Deja-vu...Anywho Stide gum must have shelled out a great deal of though to be the main character last nite...even the niteclub was called stride...My nephew has always equated Stride Gum as Superman gum because of the big S (he's 7 ) but now he thinks if he its the green one he might be able to strech like Pete..lol..and that is my 2 cents worth

lastdaughterofkrypton

03-14-2008, 09:09 AM

I liked that Lex was sexy and smart for a while (it pays off being away from Lana)
Chlex was good (even though Chloe was not right) and Maybemercy was there and also cureminion thus Lex has two loyal people that haven't betray him on more than three episodes. We should open the champaign.
And Chlarkimmy (I've got a scoop for you)
Clark was underused and he kissed Lana (Did he forgot about Lanarro!?)
Chloe needs sometime away from Clark she is starting to think that "true love" is taking back your trampy almost cheating ex the moment they snap their fingers!
Kara was just meh and Lionel is so busted! I always knew he was evil :D
Pete was a d*ck but what else is new. Also if he likes Chloe so much he should try to keep in touch maybe proposing a trip to Wichita to spent the vacations with him ;)
And why didn't Chloe healed Pete :confused:
Lana was not as annoying as usual, but I hated KK lipstick!
Chloe last outfit was really cute!
Overall this was Stride hour guest starring the cast of Smallville. :rolleyes:

Yasise

03-14-2008, 09:52 AM

There was a lot of good in this episode but also a lot things that just seemed glazed over. We never got a shot of Chloe, Clark and Pete together. Clark did not seem all that thrilled to see Pete. I know they have issues, but still it has been three years. Also, we never saw Clark addressing Lionel about the bracelet. I also thought that with all the time Pete had seen Clark save people or suffer for his secret, he would take a little of what Clark had to say in stride.

Totally agree! Clark didn't seem to be soooo happy to see his friend again. Could have been more as they didn't see each other for so long. There wasn't even a hug, only a handshake - sorry Clark, but that wasn't enough.

And yes, they glazed over or even forgot to show at all so many other things:
No Clark/Lionel talk about the bracelet, no Clark/Kara talk about her past or what happened in Detroit and at last, no Clark/Lana talk about Lexana sex scene (sorry, I'm repeating myself) in "Fracture".

eeris

03-14-2008, 09:58 AM

6.

This whole amnesia business has been really badly done, I don't mind not telling her who she is and all that but you NEED to gain their trust back before telling them what they can and can't do. They should have had a long talk to her and made her feel at home rather than just letting her do her own thing all the time.

Lois would've been a great help in keeping Kara away from Lex and I don't like how she just disappeared when she would be most useful.

Nothing else to add, everyone else has summed it all up.

ClanaBaby101

03-14-2008, 10:05 AM

I gave it a 10 but now I kinda wish I could change it to a 8 or something. First off I totally agree with Yasise, it's been three years and all Clark gives him was a hand shake!

I loved the whole Pete returnes to Smallville but why couldn't it focus on him and Clark, and how Smallville has changed since he left. And why did they have to give him such a wimpy power in the first place? Stretching ability? Wow thats a good one. Not. And as someone had further said in this thread, there was many other packaging of that gum so why didn't others take it too?

I am totally disgusted in Lex, as usual. I don't like the whole Lex and Kara deal, I sure hope that it doesn't work!

Other than that the One Republic, and Pete were awesome, and of course Clark looking hot as always!

cole_jossart

03-14-2008, 10:13 AM

I thought the episode was pretty good. I didn't like how Pete had changed and was really jealous of Clark. Is it just me or is Lex turning Kara against Clark? Does anyone else see a Superman vs. Supergirl battle coming in the near future?

dru-zod2501

03-14-2008, 10:18 AM

What I liked, the elasti-lad nod to the comics

What did I hate?

J.CHLO RISING FROM THE ABYSS LIKE A SLIMEY SLUDGE MONSTER!!

All about Clark

03-14-2008, 10:36 AM

Well I thought it was a weak story but wasn't dissapointed with the actors. All were great. I gave it an 8 even though the story was about a 6. I guess I was just happy to have a SV eppy.

Mrs_Tom_Welling

03-14-2008, 10:47 AM

it was sooooooooooooo goood:D

petitemimi

03-14-2008, 11:10 AM

I gave it a 5. I loved badass Lex in this epi and his confrontation with Chloe; I would love to see more of that in the future.
An entire product placement episode is really a new low for Smallville but I guess they need the money.
They put the reset button on Clana, but I liked background Lana. I think this is where she belongs if we have to see her at all in the show. At least, it frees Clark time to do some real hero business, although we didn't see Clark that much in this epi.
IMO, they could have done way better with Pete's return.
I guess it would be easy to find several episodes in the past where the Veritas logo isn't present on the tainted glass behind Lex's desk... Oh well, if it leads to a good story line, I can do with the retcon.

DreadShamus

03-14-2008, 11:17 AM

The reactions to this episode are pretty evenly spread out so far. Especially compared to the rest of the season.

When episodes 1,2,4,6,8 and 12 got a majority of 10 votes, there rest of the high votes were between 7 and 9 most of the time.
When episodes 5,7,9,10 and 11 got a majority of 1 votes the rest of the high percentages were in 4 through 2.

A lot of people are saying only Fierce was a worse episode than this one, and its the only one rated with 8 and 7 being the highest voted ratings.

This one is somewhat similar.

I think the main problem with this episode is they tried to cram a lot into it because of the rewriting during the writer's strike. They changed this one a lot before they found out they could do a full season.

BWOracle

03-14-2008, 11:23 AM

I gave the episode a 6. It had some good moments setting up future episodes but Pete’s return was pretty blah.

How could Lex not know that Clark is Superman in the future? He’s put together the “S” Shield, the figure ‘8” shield from the cave, and Clark’s relationship to both symbols and Kara. Maybe Clark’s takedown of Lex in “Hero” will delete all that information. However, loved Lex’s look when all of a sudden his henchmen is on the ground right before Clark turns him over 360 degrees.

I don’t think we can blame Clark for not telling Kara the truth after Lana and Lionel convinced him it was a bad idea. I think Lana and Lionel were wrong but they double-teamed him on that one. I do agree it was dangerous while Kara has amnesia and trusts Lex so much.

I didn’t mind the Stride stuff too much but I hated when Chloe used their ad line in her dialog about lasting a long time.

On the plus side:

Nice to see that Lana now really knows how Clark felt when he was forced to lie to her. I also like that they finally made a reference to Lana’s missing tattoo. So Lex did notice after all.

As a CLana fan, it was nice to see after 7 seasons that Clark and Lana are together with no secrets and no angst between them. In “Fracture”, we weren’t even sure if Lana still lived on the farm. After “Hero”, we can be reasonably certain that in at least offscreenville, they’ve put the Bizarro issue behind them and it looks like we’ll have at least one more episode of them happily together. IMO this is the peak of the CLana relationship. Now I can be satisfied as they begin their downward trajectory towards friendship.

I really didn’t want Bizarro to be the reason for their breakup. Unlike some fans, I don’t blame Lana for her confused feelings. Bizarro had all Clark’s memories, never acted evil when he was around Lana, and was everything Clark was but showed more attention to Lana. Who wouldn’t want the person they love to show them even more love and affection?

As for the return of Pete, I really didn’t care that much about his character during Seasons 1-3. During that period, Lex was a pretty decent guy and really was Clark’s best friend. Pete was really an afterthought. I do think he would make a pretty good addition to the cast for Season 8 although I would prefer the addition of Ollie. He has a better understanding of the superhero life and is a better mentor for Clark.

In “Hero”, Pete was really more irritating then welcome. Although it continues a Smallville concept that being kryptonite infected makes you a real jerk (Chloe being one of the few exceptions).

Mars Investigations

03-14-2008, 12:18 PM

I give it an 8 out of 10 (though I accidentally hit 9 on the poll).

Pros
*Pete's bitterness over Clark's secret really boosted this episode's mark for me. It showed that not everyone can adjust to it as well as Chloe and Lana, and also demonstrated that his powers can have a negative effect as well as a positive effect.
*Chloe and Pete's interaction was also very enjoyable, and I liked the fact that they didn't get hung up on secrets and angst. When Pete learned about Chloe's secret, he didn't get angry or confront her - he just accepted it, which showed character development.
*I liked the fact that Kara isn't just sitting around waiting for the truth to find her. It's more realistic that she'd search for it herself, and the development of her friendship with Lex was fantastically done here. It didn't feel rushed or cheesy.
*I actually liked the brief moments of Clana in this episode. It wasn't filled with angst, it just showed that they were happy. Lana's loyalty to Clark was good too. If it wasn't so late in the show, I'd want them to stay together for the next season or so!
*We got more teases about the Veritas Society in this episode; I can't wait to see what else Lex has on the first meteor shower that the woman seemed so excited about.

Cons
*Pete with powers? Ugh. Pete with elasticity powers through kryptonite-laced chewing gum? Double ugh. Evil Pete with elasticity powers through kryptonite-laced chewing gum? Triple ugh.
*The amount of product placement in this episode was shameful; in places, I felt like I was watching a joint commercial for Stride gum and One Republic.
*There were many missed opportunities in this episode. I wanted to see Clark, Chloe, and Pete in a scene together. I wanted more character moments with Pete and his old friends. I wanted Lois to meet Pete and have her say in Lex's cyber domination of the Planet.
*Chloe giving up so easily during her confrontation with Lex seemed a little out-of-character. She's clearly within her rights to at least protest his little power play.
*There was just something missing from this episode. While it was so much better than I thought it would be, it still lacked something...I'm not sure what, but it didn't have that zing that would elevate it above anything other than 'good'. Then again, I suppose I should be grateful that it didn't have that zing that would elevate it above anything other than 'bad' or 'non-descript'.

Yasise

03-14-2008, 01:01 PM

..............................*There was just something missing from this episode. While it was so much better than I thought it would be, it still lacked something...I'm not sure what, but it didn't have that zing that would elevate it above anything other than 'good'. Then again, I suppose I should be grateful that it didn't have that zing that would elevate it above anything other than 'bad' or 'non-descript'.

I think a lot of epi's of season 7 didn't have that zing, and as I said it before in another thread, I often get the feeling, that the actors don't enjoy their Smallville work so much anymore, at least, not like they did in the ealier seasons.
This is of course only my personal feeling, but if you look closely, I think you might recognize that, too.
I don't say, the actors didn't do a good job, I only say, it isn't as fresh, enthusiastic, passionate, believable in most of the scenes anymore and that makes me sad.

If you watch an epi from e.g. season 3, you can clearly see, what I mean - and............. Tom's hair is far better than it's nowadays. He looks sooo cute with fluffy hair and now they're so "different"....I'm wondering, who's responsible for his hair....

m8918

03-14-2008, 01:41 PM

it lacked story, and for some reason seemed very short. the ending i hated. lex and kara, that's disgusting. clark should kick his ass.

Blue screen of death

03-14-2008, 01:49 PM

I gave this episode an 8. I really liked it but what I didn't like was that Clark didn't tell Kara the truth and how Clark wasn't the main character, he was barely in this episode. I don't understand why they just don't tell her!

Was there even a Clark/Kara scene in this?

have to wait until next episode for that :p :rotfl:

over all thought the episode was alright. it had some good stuff. The whole lex pete arc was good i thought, I really liked clark saving pete at the end with a couple o' super punches on lex and his goons. Lana well... she talked but i shut my ears off that point, i was kinda disappointed with kara. I mean i know she's lost her memories an whatnot but come on moving in with lex thats F*CKING stupid and the whole thing was cheesey. So the solution to clark pissing you off is to go and move in with lex. Why not it worked for lana, wait i know next week chloe can move in with lex cause clark won't date her instead of jimmy. Then the week after that Lois can move in with lex cause damn it smallville you snore. if kara was gonna leave the farm fine, but lex? C'mon a little more originality please. I wonder since it has been so long since the writers strike with that last epi that maybe they typo'd KARA for LANA and still thought it was season 6.
Though it was good to see pete again Aside from the whole kara arc this week it felt like a season 2 epi to me.

Joelito

03-14-2008, 01:58 PM

7 for me was the old FOTW

2shae

03-14-2008, 02:43 PM

It was really really good...it felt like Smallville again.

Maddie Van Horn

03-14-2008, 03:24 PM

The intire episode was a promotional ad for stride gum! i was thuroughly disappointed in this episode. the only thing that saved this episode was what was going on between kara and lex. though pete's face was a blast from the past, the storyline was quite lacking. i gave it a 6. however i do have high hopes for next weeks episode "traveler" after all the trailer was awesome

Promise

03-14-2008, 03:24 PM

:( now I'm really NOT looking forward, to even seeing it.
how was the Clana in this epi ? They seem weary of each other, since Fracture.

They got one nice kiss actually. Pete and Lana were watching Clark put a load of loggs in the truck, the Toyota one............just get in. lol sorry I had to use that. Anyways This episode was good to see Pete and I love the dialouge between him and Clark, got straight to the point and it felt like S3 again which was good, because the original ppl were back. Made you forget about the last 3 seasons. I gave it an 8.

The Kara story plot is getting blah. We seen this already. Seson 3 with Lex and little bit of Season 5 Lana.

jalenrose

03-14-2008, 04:14 PM

I liked the episode but it needed more of this http://youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5cAG0K8AE

Yasise

03-14-2008, 04:44 PM

They got one nice kiss actually..........

A "nice kiss"??? Sorry, but a really "nice kiss" was that in your avatar. The kiss in "Hero" was only nice, like a couple kisses, who is married for 50 years.

Miss_McElroy

03-14-2008, 05:03 PM

I watched it this morning-thanks to whomever it was that uploaded to youtube!
I enjoyed it but thought Pete was rather up himself-i know he was infected and all but he swoons into Smallville after like 4 years and starts dissing Clark!Anyhoo...i think the episode was more of a stepping stone to keep the season going...the whole Lex/Kara thing???hmmm!Wonder what was the other picture,and why didnt Clark give her the bracelet back-sometimes hes very hypocritical!
My favourite scenes were when Chloe got her verbal spanking from Lex-Hes abad man(love him tho)...and the whole bunch of scenes with the one republic apoligize track nice !Esp the last look of Lex closing the doors and having a lok of yes i have her now...mwahahahha!
Overall im just glad the show is back!!

PepsiMax

03-14-2008, 06:02 PM

I gave it a 4. Pete comin' back was awesome. For once, we get someone to stand up to Clark and do his own thing. Also, the OneRepublic was awesome, loved the first song. The Lex and Kara drama was horrible and I am revolted that now Kara has been drawn into the world of Lex. It's just ruining the show. Lana was kind of bland and why does she always have watery eyes? And Clark sucked.

babyluthor

03-14-2008, 07:26 PM

I didn't like this episode that much. It just seemed like there was no point to it. I mean they brought Pete back. It's nice to see old characters, but I don't like how they used him. They made him a freak of the week and basically put him into a situation with Clark that we have already seen.

I didn't like all the product placement with the gum and the band. I mean why is One Republic being featured (3 songs) and why are they playing in a gum factory, haha? Just too much commercial, not enough substance in this episode. 5/10

STFanatic

03-14-2008, 09:12 PM

I would have rated it much higher if Chloe had healed Pete's hurt arm.

I kept expecting her to do that and I was disappointed when she didn't :(

Chloe_is_my_Hero

03-14-2008, 09:13 PM

Personally I gave it a 4, yeah that might be a little harsh but it really wasn't anything special. Maybe I was just expecting too much with the return of Pete. I found it a little sloppy and the product placement was a little much to be honest, too much stride! :lol:

Pretty much my feeling exactly. I gave it a 4 as well. The effects were cheesy, the plot was disappointing and it just was not the return of "The Boss Ross" that I had hoped for. And the Stride endorsement! Oh my word. I know you have to pay bills people, but come on. I am usually the last person to "not like" an episode of Smallville. In fact, this might be the first one I really didn't like. I was just all over the place.:\

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

I would have rated it much higher if Chloe had healed Pete's hurt arm.

I kept expecting her to do that and I was disappointed when she didn't :(

ME TOO!!! I really thought that she would!

nhl2k

03-14-2008, 11:27 PM

pappabearmike

03-15-2008, 12:22 AM

haltoe

03-15-2008, 07:41 AM

This episode was horrible...IMO, it was almost painful to watch at times. The excessive plugging of the band was nothing but an aggravating distraction. I swear, some of the product placement/promotions in Smallville are starting to make me cringe.
Along with that, I still don't understand the whole Kara plot, especially how it advanced in this episode. Why are they not telling her who she is again? To protect her from herself? How about all the digging that Lex is going to do to help her find out. Now Kara is going to find out and potentially Lex. I'm sorry, but if they make the characters seem any more stupid, I'm going to start calling it Stupidville. They need to start making the characters have some common sense. 7 seasons of of the BDA syndrome is enough.
And I agree with the people that say this was a horrible way to introduce Pete back into the series. Instead of seeing how things have changed, he comes in threatening to expose Clark's secret? I actually hated the Pete character in this episode when I should have enjoyed it.
And then Chloe can hack a firewall (which being in the computer field, makes me laugh) but then she can't crack Lex's monitoring software? Total opposite of everything they've shown in Smallville so far.
I have really liked a lot of episodes this year, but this one was a total bust. I sure hope things get back on track, and based on the preview for next week, I am hopeful.

I pretty much agree. It's terrible to see Laura Vandervoort wasted in these poorly conceived twists to her Kara character. They take away her memory and her powers and now no one tells her the truth about herself? You'd think that at least Clark could gently tell her they're relatives. Instead we have a "Don't ask, don't tell plot" that strains believability and the continuous outdated stereotyping, that because Kara is female she has to end up as a helpless amnesiac victim. Before the season began we were told that "Supergirl is coming". Yet shes not allowed to be super. There have been 13 episodes this year and we only see Kara using superpowers in two plus parts of a couple others, a total of about 3 episodes worth out of 13. 3 for 13. That is absurd.

I'd like to refer the Smallvile writers to the Winter 2008 issue of American Heritage. It has an article that discusses American women fighting in Iraq. In other words---- Earth to Hollywood, the world has changed! Please stop your stale sexual stereotypes. Not all women are helpless victims. Could Smallville at least let Supergirl be super? She wasn't a helpless victim in the comic books (the series is allegedly based on) and shouldn't be here.

Mars Investigations

03-15-2008, 08:07 AM

I pretty much agree. It's terrible to see Laura Vandervoort wasted in these poorly conceived twists to her Kara character. They take away her memory and her powers and now no one tells her the truth about herself? You'd think that at least Clark could gently tell her they're relatives. Instead we have a "Don't ask, don't tell plot" that strains believability and the continuous outdated stereotyping, that because Kara is female she has to end up as a helpless amnesiac victim. Before the season began we were told that "Supergirl is coming". Yet shes not allowed to be super. There have been 13 episodes this year and we only see Kara using superpowers in two plus parts of a couple others, a total of about 3 episodes worth out of 13. 3 for 13. That is absurd.

I'd like to refer the Smallvile writers to the Winter 2008 issue of American Heritage. It has an article that discusses American women fighting in Iraq. In other words---- Earth to Hollywood, the world has changed! Please stop your stale sexual stereotypes. Not all women are helpless victims. Could Smallville at least let Supergirl be super? She wasn't a helpless victim in the comic books (the series is allegedly based on) and shouldn't be here.

I don't think so. Clark's issue isn't trusting Kara - it's trusting Lex, which he knows he can't.

Jaderoyale

03-15-2008, 09:26 AM

The way i see it, Kara trusts Lex, just like Lana said; Lex is the one who "found her".
Sometimes i feel like reaching into the TV and slapping Lex. :lol:
Just for fun. Not to knock any sense into him or anything, otherwise he wouldn't be the Lex we love to hate.

STFanatic

03-15-2008, 09:38 AM

I know they are setting it up for the next episode, but it would not make sense to at least get Kara help or attempt to work with her to keep her from stumbling around in confusion.

Hey Clark, when in doubt wouldn't it be a good idea to at least call your remaining parental unit that you have trusted since childhood?

Hey Kara, would it be sensible to contact professional help with the memory problem?

Amnesia doesn't usually cause stupidity.
Well maybe Krypto-amnesia does.

AChloeChick

03-15-2008, 11:04 AM

It was an okay episode.

Although it was good to see Pete again, it wasn't that great of an episode for him. He STILL has a chip on his shoulder concerning Clark and he STILL has feelings for Chloe (the second rose was a sweet gesture, at least he didn't steal this one [that we know of]).

Not sure why Lionel was at the Kent Farm. Was he just trying to get an update on Kara or is there something going on offsecreen between he and Lana we don't know about?

Okay, where can I get my magic carpet like Lana? Somehow once AGAIN everything has been magically swept under the rug and she's done 'nothing wrong'. I want a magic carpet!

Lex, you are one sneaky sucker. It's so good to see you back as the villian you should be. You're playing Kara like the chess expert you are. Pretty soon you'll finally have your check mate!

Kara, I don't blame you for not trusting C&L. I wouldn't either. However, Lex is playing you. . . you'll find that out soon enough.

Lana, have you forgotten all the sneaking around and plundering through Clark's stuff?

Jimmy, oh how you annoy me to know end. I do not understand how you (of all people) have two hot girls interested in you. Are you a MF and we just don't know it?

Clark, open you eyes and notice what's going on around you. I understand giving others the -benefit-of-doubt. But giving them too much of that is going to bite you in the butt. Oh yeah, we get to see that soon.

Overall, it wasn't too bad: I've seen worse. Looking forward to the next two!

gategod

03-15-2008, 11:42 AM

Aww watching the latest ep right now! Kara's face in the first minute when she's smiling at Jimmy is so cute :D Haha and One Republic!! I love them, they are everywhere! Pete, is one of my favorite characters, I love seeing him again. And wow.. weird power, so cute that he saved Kara. And haha Jimmy with his camera phone, lol he's quite lucky. Loving the first 5 minutes!

<_< Aw... Lana and Clark just came on :lol:

Aww Pete came to see Clark!!! yay Loving it again.

I love Pete and Clark moments. Pete's such a great guy! Clark being as.. lol Pete is so right.

Lex is so mean to Chloe, and Chloe is so awesome. Hmm Great scene.

"The World Needs A Hero Now More Then Ever Clark" I completely agree! CK should step up already *yawn* I am guessing something bad is going to happen to Pete or something because the writers I firmly believe are evil, and don't like progression :p lol

Pete and Chloe reunion was so sweet! Still hating how everyone's dissing Pete going public.. now I know it is going to end bad <_< Why can't people just accept him.

Lana lieing lol... Tell her.. Tell her.. aww

Woah, Pete and Lex scene was awesome, everyone's secrets are being let loose.

Taking Lex out of the equation. Now that is an episode I would LOVE. Lex is cool but Pete is right.

Pete and Lex play off each other so well. Pete being a hero, Lex being a villian.

Aww Pete is so great. Can you tell I love his character... haha Wanting to save the world

Aww and a Chloe/Jimmy reunion!! Loving it, ending was pretty good too.

I definetly want to see more Pete... By far my favorite episode this season.

I can see why someone who doesn't like pete wouldn't like it, but I can't see why someone who does won't love it. Pete was a so noble in this episode.

svtwamedfan05

03-15-2008, 02:00 PM

Just your typical Smallville Filler

TKFlash

03-15-2008, 02:46 PM

This episode was terrible.

1. I didn't like the reaction when pete first walked in the door. There was barely any love in the room.

2. They made him look really stupid and ignorant of this episode.

3. Lionel didn't tell him about the bracelet.

and other stuff

cole_jossart

03-15-2008, 03:07 PM

Yeah I thought that Pete would play more of a "hiding Clark's secret role" than a FOTW role. When I watched the trailer for Hero I was sure that these three episodes were about Lex finding out about Clark and what he does about it.

ClarkyBoy14

03-15-2008, 03:23 PM

I gave it an 8.

I think it's a very good episode.

I liked having Pete back, if even for just an episode, and I liked Clark and Pete reconciling at the end.

The OneRepublic scenes were cool. I thought they did a good job with the SFX for Pete's powers. I loved all the continuity, and I love how they're setting up for future episodes with Veritas and everything.

I didn't mind the product placement that much because (1) it was obviously meant as a wink to the long time fans (having Pete pimping the Stride

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and OR, I believe he even said he's the band promoter :lol: ), and (2) the episode needed a gum brand to work and using a real brand is much better than some cheesy, made-up one.

There were a few things, however, that, if not answered in the future, will make me bump this down to a 6 for lazy writing.

1. How and why does Lionel have Kara's bracelet?

2. What happened to the talk Clark needed to have w/ Lionel?

3. Are they trying to retcon it and say the "V" has always been on the window? If so, I won't

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be very happy.

4. Is Lex going to have sex w/ Kara? If so, I won't be very happy about that one either.

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I would have rated it much higher if Chloe had healed Pete's hurt arm.

I kept expecting her to do that and I was disappointed when she didn't :(

Because it wouldn't make for good continuity considering the talk she had w/ Clark just one episode earlier.

Also,

- It doesn't seem like she wants Pete to know, at least not yet.

- The pain would have been transfered to her.

- She's in a room full of people.

Humdinger

03-15-2008, 05:43 PM

This was a freak of the week, and it was Pete. I liked his super power and I was glad to see Sam Jones again, but when are we gonna get to Clark and the main event. I guess now that they've got a Season 8, they'll drag it out even more. The saving grace was Lex - back to his old manipulative tricks again, yea. I gave it a 4.

borednow

03-15-2008, 05:51 PM

5- Jimmy rocked, other wise this episode was rather... dumb... but the end, hey time to bring on the... FAKE KRYPTO BABY!

Kirstycol

03-15-2008, 09:11 PM

I think that this maaay bit it for me as far as Smallville goes. I liked the last scene where Lex's assistant gets the constilation info with a clifhanger mystery and I Like that Kara is going to be living with Lex but everything else about the entire episodes BLOWS!

Lana is such a hypocrite. They are alll idiots for trying to keep her from knowing who she really is. They're pushing her into Lex's arms just like Clark did with Lana. And the fact that Lionel is over for coffee as if he's a member of the family and Lana seems to be ok with it is total ********. Clark found out that Lionel has kara's bracelet but I bet in next weeks episode Lionel will be over for cookies and milk.
I'm not sure what the hell chloe thinks she's doing by continueing to work at the daily planet. Any story worth anything at all will be used as intell by lex and any expose will just dull his shredder blades.
They should have ended this show 2 years ago. Right after the whole Zod thing. Apart from the odd episode here and there it's been nothing but reapeats since then over and over again. They need knew writers.

Chloe_is_my_Hero

03-15-2008, 09:18 PM

I'm sorry, but if they make the characters seem any more stupid, I'm going to start calling it Stupidville.

I love SV, but this cracked me up!:rotfl:

Imzadia

03-16-2008, 02:31 AM

Whoever makes the US poll should make the votes public too. I'd love to see who all votes it a 1 and if any of them actually post or if they're just lurkers. :D Somehow I doubt the results of the current poll, though. My best guess for this episode is that it'll turn out to be a 6 or 7. I doubt it can be a 9 just based on the premise, but 1's and 2's are reserved for television that isn't even technically competent, not episodes of shows that you just happened to not like.

:cool:Good points, MidgardDragon. Well said, however, I don't agree that those who vote on the polls should lose their anonymity. Some fans who visit these forums are too shy to comment, but will vote on their opinions as long as they may do that as a lurker. :\ I am so with you, though, on those who claim to be 'true fans' and vote any Smallville episode a 1 or a 2. I reserve those opinions for shows I've watched a couple of times and get convinced I'd Never want to watch again. :(

Yasise

03-16-2008, 02:38 AM

I would have rated it much higher if Chloe had healed Pete's hurt arm.

I kept expecting her to do that and I was disappointed when she didn't :(

I get the feeling, that Chloe needs her power in the near future to save someone much more special to her, so she doesn't need to waste any energy of her's right now for Pete's arm. Not that he wouldn't deserve her help, don't understand me wrong.

Clark Kent Smallville

03-16-2008, 04:57 AM

I gave it a 4 it wasnt that great of an episode it was good to see Pete back even if it was just one episode, I loved how Jimmy found out Chloe's secret and asked her out again, I hated the end how Kara asked Lex if she could live with him.

jazel

03-16-2008, 05:01 AM

Jimmy, was the BEST part of Hero !;)

DreadShamus

03-16-2008, 10:53 AM

Just your typical Smallville Filler

:rotfl:

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:cool:Good points, MidgardDragon. Well said, however, I don't agree that those who vote on the polls should lose their anonymity. Some fans who visit these forums are too shy to comment, but will vote on their opinions as long as they may do that as a lurker. :\ I am so with you, though, on those who claim to be 'true fans' and vote any Smallville episode a 1 or a 2. I reserve those opinions for shows I've watched a couple of times and get convinced I'd Never want to watch again. :(

Its a good point mostly because it will show who votes every episode a 10 no matter how bad it is.

Dark kalel

03-16-2008, 02:18 PM

i thought it was a good episode, glad 2 see pete back. i gave it a perfect in the ratings

superman2001

03-16-2008, 02:31 PM

I thought the episode was awesome, it was really great to see Pete, again, i really did like the scene, where he saved Kara, and i thought the scene where he got that rose for Chloe, was great, and My favorite scene in the episode, is when Clark, saved Pete from Lex, and that guy, i can't wait to see next week's episode, it is going to be great.

eeris

03-16-2008, 05:57 PM

Its a good point mostly because it will show who votes every episode a 10 no matter how bad it is.

That's what I thought of more as well. Does that mean were pessimistic?

Dojj

03-16-2008, 09:05 PM

This episode stank and i gave it a 4

Now i like smallville, and that is largely due to the writers no doubt, but I just dont think the writers are extracting enough of the potential they have infront of them

Both Chloe and Clark seemed indifferent to seeing Pete. Werent they BEST FRIENDS a few years back?? And why is Clark not talking to Kara about her past?

But i did like some of this episode, like Pete showing the meaning of a true hero, which is not to hide from the world but to embrace it. One day his mate Clark will follow that lead, and unlike pete he will be able to pull it off.

I have been quite disappointed with this season so far. I guess i like the awkward love story plots that have riddled through this series, however at the moment there is only a dash of Chimmy and everyone else is pretty settled in that regard.

Cyn

03-16-2008, 09:24 PM

I gave it a 5. It was too bland to either like or dislike. On the lame side, Pete was the same whiney boy as he was three years ago and Clana still exists. On the interesting side, Chimmy and what may come between Clark and Lionel. Lex and Kara cancelled each other out. Lex was deliciously evil and Kara was absolutely plastic.

lexthesmooth

03-17-2008, 10:51 AM

crap! here we go again. lana just tell her ! Clark give her the damn bracelet. Lana runs to live with lex, now Kara runs to live with lex. what happened to this promising season? do we have to relive the same old lines with a different person?

I believe Kara going to Lex is a good thing. This will give Lex the screen time he deserves and bring in some more action and conflict between he and Clark. Also, I believe that having Kara working for Lex is a cool idea. Lex is not in love with Kara, he wants to use her to gain the advantage. The shot with Lex closing the doors to his office showed his true intent.

Jaded Wolf

03-17-2008, 11:10 AM

Eh... That's about all I can say about this one. Eh...

First I think it was a cheap return of the Pete Ross character because fans demanded it. I don't think the story did anything to advance Clark Kent. Second, why are all the supporting characters getting powers now? First it was Lana with the witch thing. Second Lionel with "herald of Jor-El". Then Chloe with the latent meteor-powers. Now Pete with the "chew-gum-from-a-strange-place" stretch powers. Enough already with the meteor-induced powers! Are we still in third season here or what? What's next, Lois gets the ability from meteors to actually have some resemblance to her comic book personality?

The good I can find in this episode is the change in Jimmy after finding the truth about Chloe. I also like that Lex is taking more darker turns. I do believe that Pete gave a good speech to Clark about no longer hiding his abilities and maybe it will be referenced in future episodes.

The last thing I cannot stand and it continues to show the inconsistencies in the writers is the secretive nature of Clark and Lana. For the first five seasons we've had to deal with Clark holding secrets from Lana. This prompts Lana to finally abandon him for Lex who promises to be so truthful to Lana. Lo and behold, the ever-righteous Lana finds out Lex is holding secrets and leaves him after finding out the truth about Clark. Clark then gets all self-righteous about the secrets Lana is keeping under his nose during her little "Oracle-esque" surveillance on Lex Luthor. So now both of them are keeping secrets and getting mad at each other. They both agree to no longer do so. So after knowing the frustrations of lying and keeping secrets from each other and agreeing to always be truthful what lesson do they learn here? Absolutely nothing as they now keep secrets from Kara on her identity which prompts Kara to turn to Lex because Lex has promised Kara to never hold anything from her. Is this crap sounding familiar? When did "reduce, reuse, recycle" come into the equation here? Is there some environmental danger of creating new plots so the writers have to recycle old ones? Argh!!!! Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Izzysand

03-17-2008, 11:46 AM

So, I actually took a couple of days to give this episode a rating. As a matter of fact I watched the episode 3 times and I still don't know how I feel about it.

The return of Pete Ross, first Pete was never one of my favorite characters, so his return only took me back to the good old days of smallville, because wether people like it or not, the first three seasons of this show rocked and Pete happened to be there, it was good to see him back, but that was about it. I thought with Pete back, Clark and Chloe were going to join him in solving whatever problem the episode was going through, but we never saw the three of them together, the reunion between Clark and Pete was meh, and the same with Chloe, heck the only one that was actually happy to see him was Lana. LOL.

The whole episode felt like one huge sales pitch for Stride GUM, (Bad Smallville Writers Bad) but i guess they need the money for special FX. (no hating there, but it was too obvious)

What the heck, so first Lana doesnt trust Lionel and then they are both having tea and discussing Kara? And did anyone notice Clark did not like that one? (again smallville writers bad bad bad)

Kara and Lex, first of all what the hell? I don't even want to touch that one, because its just wrong.

Pete's return was pretty pointless to me, except that we got to see Lex going down the path of no return, its moving the plot forward for the showdown between Lionel and Clark and that was just about it. Everything else was pointless because I don't even want to touch the whole elastic thing.

So i guess in all I give this episode a rating of 4, which one of the lowest ratings i have given any episode, I though fracture was better and I really hate it that episode. Two bad smallville episodes in a row for me and that's never happen.

Kal26

03-17-2008, 12:56 PM

I loved it.

Pete was back in true form.

My wife actually was so upset by the whole Lex and Kara thing that she started crying while it was happening. I love how they showed us yet again why Lex is a master manipulator. He got exactly what he wanted from the first day he saw Kara, and it was her own friends and family that helped him do it. He is so good at making himself look like a savior to those who need one!

Clark had better step up with the truth. He's pushing Kara right where she doesn't need to be.

Another thing that I love is just how much Smallville has become like recent comics imo. Kara is constantly being pushed away by the people she needs in the current comics, just like she is on Smallville.

I can't wait to see what happens next! :D

STFanatic

03-17-2008, 01:00 PM

I'm sorry to say my wife has given up on Smallville.
I usually watch it alone now.

Theshadow129x

03-17-2008, 01:06 PM

I hated this episode. then again, i hate this season.

Der Rittmeister

03-17-2008, 01:45 PM

Now we all know why Pete was dumped in this show.....what a jacka....

Seriously, this show is going down man!

It breaks my heart!

Ritty

smallvillelogan

03-17-2008, 05:32 PM

This was a great episode! I give it an 8, which for this season may be lower, but it was a good episode nonetheless.

I first must say that the premise was dumb... Pete chewing kryptonite gum to get a power? Ridiculous.

However, once he got that power, the episode was pretty dang good. I love how
Clark must face the pain of having to keep a secret from yet another person, let alone a family member. Now Lana is also in the same position since she knows Clark's secret.
I loved having Pete back. Sam Jones III is a good actor, and he did a good job when Pete was telling Clark he was going to be different from him and not be somebody with a power that just sits in the shadows.
I liked the continuity A LOT in this episode- Pete discussing with Clark the fact that Lionel is a friend, that Lana, Lionel and Chloe all know his secret, Kara prying into Clark's things and finding Clark's letterman jacket from Season 4 (his senior year as the star QB).
I love possibility of Lionel still being evil, and that he has been covering it up in front of the Kents for 2 years now.
I love the way the Lex used his power to control the Daily Planet, even stopping Chloe, the master of discovery and expose from her computer.

As for unresolved plot points, I'm sure that Clark will confront Lionel about the hidden bracelet, or else the writers wouldn't have written the line where Clark says he will talk to Lionel about the bracelet later.

rebukey

03-17-2008, 05:52 PM

I thought it was a big waste of potential! They idea to bring Pete back was great, and they could have taken the story so many places. But it really went no were. It reminded me a whole lot of Rush from s2 and Velocity from s3 where Pete is complaining about being on Clark's shadow and not stepping up and being the sidekick that Clark needs. I really wished that they had developed the story from scratch instead of basically copying from previous seasons.

And the whole Kara going to Lex thing is crazy. I still don't understand why Kara trusts Lex when she knows that he lied to her in Detroit. He knew who she was all along and never told her, never told Clark that he knew where Kara was, and no one besides her seems to even like the guy. So she feels that Clark is hiding something, but she knows that Lex is a liar. Who in their right mind would trust the known liar? And talk about recycling story lines, the whole "I don't trust Clark so I'm going to see what Lex has to offer" was the whole last half of season 5 and the first half of season 6. It's Lana all over again! Please writers! Either give us something new or have the characters learn from their previous mistakes and help the new characters to avoid them!!!

Still, it was not a total waste. It was enjoyable to watch with ok music and ok special effects. All in all I gave it a 4 out of 10.

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I gave it a 4 it wasnt that great of an episode it was good to see Pete back even if it was just one episode, I loved how Jimmy found out Chloe's secret and asked her out again, I hated the end how Kara asked Lex if she could live with him.

Jimmy already knew Chloe's secret. She told him in Gemini and she showed him by healing his finger. The only new information that Jimmy discovered was that Lex knew that Chloe is a meteor fre... biologically enhanced individual ;)

Welling_is_pretty

03-17-2008, 07:01 PM

Could have been a lot better, especially with Pete back and all. It should have been more about him coming back and observing all the changes in people he used to know.
Totally agree. I kept waiting for him to say stuff about the changes but we barely got a mention of things (c'mon shouldn't he have said something like "so you and Lana finally hooked up? About effin' time, man! YOu were only after her since you were 5!") that had changed. And was it me or did Pete never find out about the super-cousin? I mean, he never did find out that Kara is Clark's cousin, right? Or did he?

I don't know, they could have taken this in a whole other direction, really done well with it and iinstead....
(also, if Pete's been out of touch for 3 or more years shouldn't he have said something like "where's your Dad, Clark?" He wouldn't have known about Jonathan's death, would he? Although since Bo was running for office I guess it was probably in the papers.)

This just felt like AlandMiles said "hey, a lot of people seem to think we should bring Pete back for old times' sake." like they didn't even have a plot in mind or anything.

Disappointing.

smallvillelogan

03-17-2008, 07:20 PM

Totally agree. I kept waiting for him to say stuff about the changes but we barely got a mention of things (c'mon shouldn't he have said something like "so you and Lana finally hooked up? About effin' time, man! YOu were only after her since you were 5!") that had changed. And was it me or did Pete never find out about the super-cousin? I mean, he never did find out that Kara is Clark's cousin, right? Or did he?

Clark had already been with Lana when Pete was in town, in Season 2/part of Season 3. And I don't think Clark would tell Pete; I think Clark will try to get Kara's memory back without Lex discovering anything before he will tell the world she is his cousin. That would only uncover his secret right in front of Lex's eyes.

Kirstycol

03-17-2008, 07:29 PM

You know what really irritated me. That lex was knocked unconsious while Clark was useing his powers AGAIN! :rolleyes:

Welling_is_pretty

03-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Clark had already been with Lana when Pete was in town, in Season 2/part of Season 3.
Yes, but hadn't they broken up again by the time Pete left town? Hmm, I can't remember.

smallvillelogan

03-17-2008, 08:00 PM

Yes, but hadn't they broken up again by the time Pete left town? Hmm, I can't remember.

Yeah, they had. Maybe Clark told him he was back with Lana in one of his messages that Pete never returned. :lol:

Xanderman

03-18-2008, 02:00 AM

Kal26

03-18-2008, 02:20 PM

I gave it an 8. Enjoyable but nothing really new or different here. Same old angry Pete, going crazy whenever he tastes a little power, threatening Clark to not stand in his way, and eventually going after Lex. I hated the gum plugging and the pimping of the band, Smallville does that too much too. And the last song had nothing to do with the scenes at all really, it was played just for the sake of pimping and that's it, terrible. In fact, I can't remember if any of the songs were really relevant or connected to the scenes. Just another day in the life of 'Selloutville' I guess. heh

I don't know the name of the song, but if your talking about the one that was saying "it's too late to apologize", as Clark was putting Kara's bracelet away for safe keeping, and Lex was shutting the door to the room, I thought it was perfect to symbolize how Clark has waited to long to tell Kara the truth, and has driven her to Lex. It's too late to say sorry now, you've already lost her trust. I didn't like the pimping of the gum either though. I think having a commercial during the show should be enough. However it has always been that way. The Reeves show was pimping breakfast cereal. Clark, Jimmy, and Perry actually stared in a commercial for one at some point.

skizzo

03-18-2008, 02:23 PM

I thought it was a pretty boring episode. I was looking forward to Pete's return but he came across as pretty annoying and his chemistry with Clark was gone. Lana was hardly in the story, and her chemistry with Clark at the moment is so off, totally unlike them...
I did enjoy the performances by One Republic though, especially "Mercy", should've been longer :D

Kryptongurl07

03-18-2008, 02:32 PM

I too was excited that Pete came back, but the storyline was awful. It was another Freak of the Week episode! Plus Pete was a jerk, Stride obviously paid a lot for their TV spot (The brand name was freakin' everywhere!, and there were other really awkward moments that hurt the episode. The only redeeming part was seeing Pete at all and the teasers at the end with Lex in the mansion.

Xanderman

03-18-2008, 04:29 PM

I don't know the name of the song, but if your talking about the one that was saying "it's too late to apologize", as Clark was putting Kara's bracelet away for safe keeping, and Lex was shutting the door to the room, I thought it was perfect to symbolize how Clark has waited to long to tell Kara the truth, and has driven her to Lex. It's too late to say sorry now, you've already lost her trust.I never looked at it that way, good thinking. (I think the song is simply named Apologize btw.)

I have a question, doesn't Kara have her super powers? Just because she can't remember being super strong/fast etc doesn't mean she stops being those things, right? Unless I missed an explanation for that. Were her powers taken away too?

I agree with the last couple of posts about Pete being made into an annoying jerk in this ep, purposely done so we won't miss him no doubt. "Good riddance" is the feeling I'm sure they wanted the audience to have when the whiny, psychotic, always-angry, hot-headed, unstable and blood-thirsty Pete Ross they showed us said goodbye one more (or last) time.:lol: Whenever Pete is given a little power, he goes on a rampage. I don't know about the rest of you, but it's hard to buy the "kryptonite influence" explanation every time. Afterall, Chloe is a meteor freak and she's perfectly sweet and non-psychotic. Instead, it seems Pete's true character and feelings are exposed when he's kryptonite high.

Clark: Pete, I could have died when you left me with that kryptonite you know. How many times has that been done to me before now already anyway, twenty? Thirty?
Pete: Man, it was the gum, you gotta believe me. Chewing gum makes me want to hurt people. Hurt them BAD.
Clark: Even Stride?
Pete: ESPECIALLY Stride.

:lol:

"Friends"/allies of Clark using kryptonite to subdue him is a repetitive element on Smallville. Remember when Bart Allen/Kid Flash or whatever did something similar? Well Pete more than anyone has used Clark's weakness against him it seems. It makes you wonder, was Pete really Clark's best friend, or his best enemy? lol

And another thing, why wasn't Pete permanently mutated by the kryptonite gum, I mean he sure ingested enough of the sh** didn't he? :lol:

Pete: I got something to tell you, Clark. The doctors are saying that consuming all that meteor rock has done something to me deep inside, something real bad...
Clark: Oh no, you're not a "meteor freak" permanently now, are you?
Pete: No, Clark. I have cancer.
Clark: Oh....well it's a good thing your character has already been written out then.

:lol:

Kal26

03-18-2008, 08:18 PM

I never looked at it that way, good thinking. (I think the song is simply named Apologize btw.)

Thanks. I've actually been hearing that song on tv a lot following last Thursday's Smallville. Funny how that happens.

I have a question, doesn't Kara have her super powers? Just because she can't remember being super strong/fast etc doesn't mean she stops being those things, right? Unless I missed an explanation for that. Were her powers taken away too?

I was under the impression that Zor-El somehow took them away when he sent her to Michigan.

I agree with the last couple of posts about Pete being made into an annoying jerk in this ep, purposely done so we won't miss him no doubt. "Good riddance" is the feeling I'm sure they wanted the audience to have when the whiny, psychotic, always-angry, hot-headed, unstable and blood-thirsty Pete Ross they showed us said goodbye one more (or last) time.:lol: Whenever Pete is given a little power, he goes on a rampage. I don't know about the rest of you, but it's hard to buy the "kryptonite influence" explanation every time. Afterall, Chloe is a meteor freak and she's perfectly sweet and non-psychotic. Instead, it seems Pete's true character and feelings are exposed when he's kryptonite high.

I was watching season one after that episode aired, and imo they really didn't change Pete all that much. He and Clark were always arguing, and it seemed like Pete was kind of a jerk at times. I don't know. I can see them amplifying it a bit for the reason you stated though. That does make sense. I loved it when Chloe said something about Pete "The Boss" Ross.

I'm with you on the kryptonite influence. I'm not sure if it's that, or if it's just that when people get a little power, it tends to go to their heads. Chloe's intelligent, and level headed enough to deal with it, I guess.

Kryptongurl07

03-18-2008, 08:31 PM

Clark: Pete, I could have died when you left me with that kryptonite you know. How many times has that been done to me before now already anyway, twenty? Thirty?
Pete: Man, it was the gum, you gotta believe me. Chewing gum makes me want to hurt people. Hurt them BAD.
Clark: Even Stride?
Pete: ESPECIALLY Stride.

:lol:

Pete: I got something to tell you, Clark. The doctors are saying that consuming all that meteor rock has done something to me deep inside, something real bad...
Clark: Oh no, you're not a "meteor freak" permanently now, are you?
Pete: No, Clark. I have cancer.
Clark: Oh....well it's a good thing your character has already been written out then.

:lol:

These were funny!! I wish something like the first one had been done (seriously in the episode, not humorous like it is here). Why doesn't Clark get mad at Pete for the kryptonite thing!? Pete is supposed to know that that nasty green rock could kill Clark!

LexLuv180

03-19-2008, 12:17 AM

I gave it a 7 I think. I really enjoyed a lot of parts of it, while some were cheesy ( I think they were meant to be though ) The too serious Clark and offscreen discussions I would have rather seen on the episode dropped it a few for me, though.

Xanderman

03-20-2008, 01:20 AM

Thanks. I've actually been hearing that song on tv a lot following last Thursday's Smallville. Funny how that happens.It's played on the radio all the time too (before that SV ep as well).

I was under the impression that Zor-El somehow took them away when he sent her to Michigan. Did they actually say that's what happened? All I remember is her getting amnesia. I don't recall any explanation for her apparent loss of powers, if she has in fact lost them.

I'm with you on the kryptonite influence. I'm not sure if it's that, or if it's just that when people get a little power, it tends to go to their heads. Chloe's intelligent, and level headed enough to deal with it, I guess.Pete takes it a step further than power simply going to his head though I'd say, I mean the dude regularly tries to hurt and/or murder people.:lol: The only thing he's the 'boss' of is psychosis, or at the very least anger mismanagement. :lol:

These were funny!! I wish something like the first one had been done (seriously in the episode, not humorous like it is here). Why doesn't Clark get mad at Pete for the kryptonite thing!? Pete is supposed to know that that nasty green rock could kill Clark!Lol thanks. And it's true, it's a little dumb how easily (or mindlessly) Clark forgives/forgets Pete's actions. Pete has on more than one occasion used kryptonite against Clark like the true coward that he is. The episode should have actually been called 'Coward' when you think about it. lol

Randy G.

03-20-2008, 01:33 AM

Sorry, but I had to give it a low rating simply because of the whole Stride gum thing crammed down my throat for an hour. :\

STFanatic

03-20-2008, 01:44 AM

Agreed, I for some reason was expecting much more from Pete's return.
(I should know better.)

Xanderman

03-20-2008, 02:16 AM

Sorry, but I had to give it a low rating simply because of the whole Stride gum thing crammed down my throat for an hour. :\Don't forget the OneRepublic pimp-show -- they played 3 songs of theirs (that seems like a record to me). Is this Smallville or Pimpville.:lol: I mean the episode could have easily been called 'OneRepublic'. Or 'Stride'. Or 'Coward', as I explained above. heh

Agreed, I for some reason was expecting much more from Pete's return.
(I should know better.)I'm sure we all did. Instead of giving us a new and improved Pete Ross, they brought back the same one we came to hate before they shipped him off the show the last time.:lol: Seriously, his behavior in this ep was just a rehash of things we've already seen before with him. He should have already learned the lessons he learned in this ep. He should have returned wiser and more experienced. Instead, he goes all Fruit Loops over some radioactive Stride gum. Mmmm, I don't know about you but personally I can't wait to go out and buy me summa dat tasty radiation-soaked Stride gum... "Stride Gum -- You Don't Want To Live Forever, Do You?" :lol:

Yasise

03-20-2008, 03:14 AM

......................Lol thanks. And it's true, it's a little dumb how easily (or mindlessly) Clark forgives/forgets Pete's actions. Pete has on more than one occasion used kryptonite against Clark like the true coward that he is. The episode should have actually been called 'Coward' when you think about it. lol

Yeah, that's what I was wondering about for so many times throughout all the seasons till today.
Anybody, who gets to know about that kryptonite-weakens/kills-Clark-thing, used it at least once to weaken him. Pete for sure more than one time and Clark usually doesn't mention it at all afterwards. Only once he was angry with Pete for misusing his knowledge of Clark's powers in "Velocity" - that's all.
I think, that's not so logical, because everybody would at least have a word with his socalled good friend about that, but then again, that's Samllville - the producers might not have enough time to get all said and done in one episode, so they just drop it and we go on wondering about it ;)

savannah

03-20-2008, 07:07 AM

It was ok Pete's come back didn't live up to my expectations though. It was nice that he was back but I wish that it would've been more exciting.

natedog543

03-20-2008, 08:54 AM

"what tha hell" that's all I could say watching this episode. not because it was bad, corny (ok maybe one or two parts) or because I didnt like how they went about this long sought after oppertunity. it was because of the posters on THIS forum! it was not really old school Smallville ( although I like how that poster replied to ppl in here), it DID address tha fact that Pete noticed that Lex was even worse now, that he questioned Lionels pressence, and the way Pete was acting was jus the same old pete and "Ross the Boss". I read all these post first and they had me expecting A LOT less if not nothing at all. so when I saw it I jus kept saying what the hell were they talking about. this was a good episode. and yes Strde was a little much, and Toyota made their little apperance as always. but it was not tastless or worthy of a "2" because of it. that's just ridiculous. and it did answer why no one else got those "stride powers" AND why they are not telling Kara... its a good episode.

Kal26

03-20-2008, 01:37 PM

It's played on the radio all the time too (before that SV ep as well).

I'm a metal head, so I had actually never heard it. It all goes back to the fact that I probably didn't listen for it until it was on Smallville.

Did they actually say that's what happened? All I remember is her getting amnesia. I don't recall any explanation for her apparent loss of powers, if she has in fact lost them.

I'm not sure. I try not to assume until there is some concrete evidence, but in this case it could have been that I saw her struggle to do something that she should have been able to do very easily, that lead me to that conclusion. Until I see the episodes again, I can't be sure.

Pete takes it a step further than power simply going to his head though I'd say, I mean the dude regularly tries to hurt and/or murder people.:lol: The only thing he's the 'boss' of is psychosis, or at the very least anger mismanagement. :lol:

I'd say he definitely has an inferiority complex, or something. I do think it's Pete though, and not the Kryptonite. I'd say if he had power in any form, he'd behave that way, just like he did when he was racing. I like that last part, the boss of anger mismanagement. :lol:

Sweetie

03-21-2008, 04:24 PM

I gave it a 4.Lex was the only character who was enjoyable to watch.I felt bad for Pete who was turned into a krypto-freak.He should have changed his name to Mr.fantastik!!!Could they let go the krypto-freak's ideas already!!!It's so overused,ridiculous,very pathetic:\

Girlpower888

03-21-2008, 07:59 PM

I gave it a 4. I agree with many of the other complaints. But I also think Clark's character is so blah this season. He was sexy, heroic, and admirable in earlier seasons. Now he's just so emotionless and uninteresting, racing to save the day when needed, but otherwise just a shell of his former self. He certainly doesn't seem on his way to becoming Superman. His lukewarm handshake to greet Pete was just a typical emotionless Clark response. At this point, I like Bizarro more than Clark ( I know he's evil, but he's so much warmer to Lana).

I'm as frustrated as most about how stupid Lana and Clark are for lying to Kara. Lana was being so vague about Lex's sins. Why didn't she get specific? "He gave me hormones to convince me I was pregnant so I'd marry him!"

Personally, I preferred last season. The Lex/Lana relationship was so evil that it was fun to watch and Lana's discovery of Clark's secret was the highlight of the season.

nhl2k

03-22-2008, 06:57 PM

President_Luthor

03-22-2008, 07:47 PM

This was an average episode.

While I was glad that Pete - finally - made an appearance after so long and answered some long unresolved questions about his fate, it seemed to be a tweaked FOTW episode that happened to have an original cast member as the meteor freak.

Pete's scenes with Clark were decent, since Pete spelled out in black-and-white what Luthor 'help' means to him ie the corn factory swindle. And, like it or not, Pete's knowledge of the secret (before anyone else) did have a profound impact on his life.

They made it sound like Pete shunned his friends (with Clark, naturally, coming out relatively blameless *sigh*) -- but he 'had' to do that because of his knowledge of the secret ... and the rest of the SV gang didn't exactly go out of their way to keep him up to speed on meteor and Luthor shenanigans over the past three-plus years. Friendship is a two-way street, meteor showers and witch possessions notwithstanding. That part irked me -- that the others: Chloe, Lana, Clark, etc. -- were made to have little if any responsibility for letting their friendship with Pete slip away. He sacrificed a lot: his family land, his parents' marriage, a "normal" life (whatever that means in SV) ..... and all to keep Clark's secret away from the very Luthors that Clark has been chummy with off-and-on over the past six years. Good for Pete that he found Kara's bracelet in Lionel's safe stash, effectively snapping Clark out of his naivety about Lionel's allegedly good intentions.

Still, the episode gave Pete some degree of closure. He has missed so much of what has happened to Clark and friends that he can't possibly be involved in all of those plotlines at this point. Pete Ross as a character needed some finality in SV, and his quest to find something heroic to do in his life gives him a path to follow -- one that doesn't depend on having to follow in Clark's footsteps.

Hey, Ross the Boss will end up in the Oval Office one day, so Pete's destiny can only get better after having to chew Stride: the Riduculously Long Lasting Gum. :lol:

If this is Pete's last appearance, I guess it would merit a storyline revolving around the mother of all advertising gimmicks. "Hero" gets an average, not-so-minty 7.0. I docked marks for the blatant Product Placement krypto-gum angle.

queenelizabeth

03-24-2008, 06:35 AM

This episode was a huge disappointment. From the time I read the episode description about the krypto-gum, I began to anticipate a sub-par episode. Truthfully, I'm not a huge Pete fan, and his return seemed out of place. He's just been gone for such a long time, it doesn't seem like he has a place in Smallville anymore. Plus the Stride Gum product placement got pretty ridiculous. But with the promise of good episodes in the coming weeks, I don't think "Hero" will set a bad precedent for future Smallville episodes.

lastdaughterofkrypton

03-24-2008, 10:28 AM

Reading Triplet's review I noticed that we could have had it worst with the product placement. Imagine if Clark would had take the idea of using the S as a shield because of the S on Stride? :eek:

Yasise

03-24-2008, 01:53 PM

Reading Triplet's review I noticed that we could have had it worst with the product placement. Imagine if Clark would had take the idea of using the S as a shield because of the S on Stride? :eek:

:lol: So true!

Mr. T

04-21-2008, 08:02 AM

It was great to see Pete back. Smallville does it again.

imisspete

04-25-2008, 01:16 PM

I gave the episode a 6. Five for finally having Pete come back! One for the fact that I was disappointed with the storyline,Pete did not grow emotionally (or physically:), he hadn't matured at all. He was still the same Pete who was angry at everything and everybody. At the end I was bummed out.

Cyclops1974

05-01-2008, 12:43 PM

Why bring Pete back? He didn't really add anything to this seasons story arc. And this ep? Well, without Pete it would've been just a plain old freak of the week episode. This episode could've been somewhere in last season, maybe even season 5. It really has a kind off ring to it like: "Well we had this script on the shelf a long time an with the writers strike and so, we thought we could give it a try". Even Kara's part could've been the part of any damsel in distress.

Not so good. Like some wrote here before: Happy to see Pete come and happy to see Pete leave.

lex fan 10

07-08-2008, 07:41 PM

Pete Comes Back Cool

alejandrita439

08-12-2008, 06:10 PM

i kind of like it ...
but i gave it a 7 :(

smallville0001

08-22-2008, 07:04 AM

Loved to see Pete come back to the show! He was one of my favourite characters before he left.

lex fan 10

03-22-2009, 12:49 PM

i like the episode pete is back.i like when he saved kara and jimmysaw it that was funny

9-SOSIHTWB

03-27-2009, 01:10 PM

7/10!!!
It didn't stand out and make me want to watch it again and again, but at the same time it wasn't awful!!!!!!!!!

Nimkong

03-04-2010, 07:34 PM

This was one of the worst episodes of the season.I hated how they brought pete back,the plot was stupid and kryptonite stride gum?

SGuthrie27

11-20-2010, 07:39 PM

"Hero" was a major callback to older seasons, both with the corny use of meteor rock, and Pete Ross's return appearance. The major product placement even fit quite well with Pete, flashing back to his "Yeah, Remy Zero!", "Hey, Clark, it's the latest Talon mix," and "This place could use some serious Lemon Pledge" moments. This really was a pretty good episode... but I will admit that it's extremely cheesy, corny, and silly. Plus, Clark and Lana were SO not cool in how they were hiding things from Kara for no apparent reason... no good reason, anyway. I'll give it 7 out of 10 pieces of kryptonite-infected gum for nostalgia's sake, I suppose. :lol: