Was he telling the truth?

[dan_oc714]

Do you think Lex was telling the truth or lying when he said he called but lana hung up on him before he could say anything...?

[6-Super-Man -5]

I think he was telling the truth!

[slayer]

well i doubt she wouldn't hang up on him, so i'd have to say he was telling the truth also. or he just knew that was a good lie!

[christina]

I think he lied, because he's motives where to get Kara alone to himself so why would he call Clark to let him know and ruin he's plans?

[dan_oc714]

he lies so good.. i can't tell..

[GaidinDre]

I think he was telling the truth, it would be too easy for Clark verify whether or not he called so I don't think he would lie about that.

[kyl-el]

He was telling the truth. The reason that I feel this way is because of what Clark experienced in Lex's mind; that last small glipse of good left in him that Clark told to never give up. If fits.

[IloveClark]

Lex was telling the truth.I can tell when he's lying.

[litew8]

I think he was lying. Think about it. In the previous episode, Lionel said that he was calling the farm constantly and that it appeared that nobody was home. Lana said - or maybe it's because we have caller-ID. Meaning she didn't answer the phone, and just let it ring. Why would Lana answer calls from Lex, only to hang up on him?

[Alexander III]

Trust me, he lied. I'm Alexander the Trilogy, I know when he lies. I know.

[christina]

of course he lied, because if he told clark about finding Kara his plan for Kara would have been void.

[Tottally ~ Free]

I don't think he was lying. lana's comment in siren could have just been a cleaver comeback. anyway, Im just glad that scene didn't turn into ..

"I love lana" "NO, I love lana" "NOOO, I love lana"

[All about Clark]

I think he was lying. Think about it. In the previous episode, Lionel said that he was calling the farm constantly and that it appeared that nobody was home. Lana said - or maybe it's because we have caller-ID. Meaning she didn't answer the phone, and just let it ring. Why would Lana answer calls from Lex, only to hang up on him?

Actually, it is plausible that Lana listened to his call and destroyed it, not knowing it was about Kara.

But in all reality, my guess was he lied. Because he will lie for the moment and not worry about it coming back to him.

----- Added 55 Seconds later -----


of course he lied, because if he told clark about finding Kara his plan for Kara would have been void.

I agree completely.

[litew8]

Actually, it is plausible that Lana listened to his call and destroyed it, not knowing it was about Kara.

I don't recall hearing anything about an answering machine.

[jazel]

I think he was telling the truth, it would be too easy for Clark verify whether or not he called so I don't think he would lie about that.

ditto :D

[Humdinger]

He lied, I can tell by the look in his eye.

[chlo-el]

I think he told the truth and knew if he would call Clark's house Lana would hang up. That's why he didn't just call Clark's cell phone.

[litew8]

I think he was telling the truth, it would be too easy for Clark verify whether or not he called so I don't think he would lie about that.

Oh, like the time when Clark asked Lana about the 10 million dollars - and Lana said it was from a divorce settlement? That was a lie.

[jazel]

Oh, like the time when Clark asked Lana about the 10 million dollars - and Lana said it was from a divorce settlement? That was a lie.

thought she admitted, she stole it ?

[msleggie]

yeah, he did lie, Lex wanted Kara alone to do whatever his new plan maybe, he had no intentions of calling Clark

[litew8]

thought she admitted, she stole it ?

I'm not sure - if she did admit that she stole it, it was after she lied about it first. I know she in fact lied about it initially.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Lex lied. He wants to find out the truth about Kara, Clark would have messed up that plan.

I wonder if Lex remembers seeing the Kryptonian symbol on Kara's bracelet, before he got shot?

[superpal1]

Definitely lying. he wants Kara for himself. No way he called and no way for Clark to see if that is true or not.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

i think he was telling the truth, if he really wanted kara for himself he wouldnt have said to lois he was going to bring kara back to smallville he would have taken her some place else

as lex knew kara had no memory he needed to gain karas trust as from karas POV there strangers and would be very unlikely to go with a stranger especially when the people in the diner she worked for for a month had treated her like family she would trust those people more than sum1 who just walked into her work place

since we now know theres still a bit of goodness left in lex we would also know that lex still regards clark as a friend so by helping kara back home lex would try to win back clarks trust and friendship

as for the calls its easy for people to say that with caller ID that lana would know lex was calling so she didnt have to hang up, the thing that should be considered is that lex is determined what if lex had been calling more times and lana didnt answer at all this means lex would try harder to call which means lana answers lex but hangs up this making it clear to lex he should stop trying

and last if lex was worried about clarks interference why would kara mention the clex breakup, lex would have said that kara couldnt tell clark about them talking also kara will be working at the talon again so its even more difficult now for clark to keep kara away from lex thats if lex thought clark had a problem with kara going near lex

[Eri-El]

I think he was lying.....why would Lana pick up the phone if they had caller ID like she mentions in "Siren" and then hang up on him before he can say anything?..... I don't know I didn't believe it.

[xrayvision]

I think he was lying. I think he knows Clark's doubts about Lana and is playing them. It is very likely that Lana would hang up on him if he called, but I doubt he wanted anyone to know that he found her until he was done running those tests.

[Cogito17]

I'm going with lying.

If you discover someone's missing cousin and they have amnesia... you don't give up on informing their family because you got hung up on after 2 phone calls. If Lex really wanted to tell Clark he found Kara, he could have just driven across town and seen him face to face or been a little more persistent than calling twice and giving up.

[euterpe]

I think Lex was telling the truth. Lex responded too quickly for it to be a lie. Lex always pauses before he tells a lie, or answers with a question. Besides, as pointed out earlier, why lie about something that could be very easily verified? If asked, Lana could lie or not, but Chloe would just have to hack into the phone company and records would show the calls placed to the Kent farm.

I have no problem believing Lana would pick up and then immediately hang up on Lex. Even if they have caller I.D., she would do it to get her point across. And Lex may not know Clark's cell number. Clark never carried one when they were friends and I doubt he called Lex to update him. I realize if he wanted it, Lex could get Clark's number, but why let Clark know he knows it? Not to mention, maybe he anticipated that Lana/Clark would not accept his calls and expected the hang-ups.

Lex has to believe that Clark et al would eventually find Kara. Better to contact Clark himself and appear the good guy. Besides he was already working to gain Kara's trust (and succeeding by the conversation we witnessed at the end of the episode). Also, we all know Lex wants to know Kara's secret, but that doesn't negate the possibility that he might actually NOT be malevolently "out to get her". Just as Lex tried to get the truth out of Clark when he had amnesia didn't presume a desire to harm Clark. Lex is always desperately looking for someone to cling to. Clark...Lana...Grant...Kara. Lex was just repeating to Kara what he told her at the beginning of the season, that he would protect and help her, just as he would have protected [Clark] if he had trusted him.

However, why should Lex work so hard to inform Clark. He made the effort. Why should he go out of his way? As pointed out, why would that be in his best interest? If they were interested, they could return the call to find out what he wanted. The proverbial ball was in Clark's court. Lex's bases were covered. (Sorry for the mixed metaphors.)

[Pirate515]

I think he told the truth and knew if he would call Clark's house Lana would hang up. That's why he didn't just call Clark's cell phone?IMO, it looked more like Lex took an easy way out. When calling Clark's house, there was a 50/50 chance between Clark or Lana picking up the phone. I was just surprised that Clark didn't call Lex out for not trying to call his cell phone after Lana hung up on him. If Lex really cared about telling Clark the news about his cousin, he wouldn't have been stopped by the Lana "obstacle" and would have called Clark directly. In fact, why did Lex even bother calling Clark's house, he should have just called Clark's cell first. Seems to me that Lex just made up a lame excuse, more like "hey, I've tried and failed", but in reality, he hasn't tried hard enough.

[Dor el]

Lied. The Clark's cell phone angle convinces me. Lex has never had difficulty tracking down Clark when he really wanted to. In addition to Clark's cell phone, there is Chloe's phone that would certainly get a message to Clark.

[All about Clark]

Yep, he lied. He had no intention of letting Clark know until he was able to run his tests on her. If he can't have Clark's secret, then he'll go after Kara's.

I like that Clark knew he was lying too. Clark knew that if Lex really wanted to contact him, he would have, they don't live that far apart.

[luvinChlark]

He was lying, if he wanted Clark to know that Kara was alive he wouldn't have taken Lois's phone.

[CLanaF23]

i think lex was lying...

[minerva73]

I'm going with lying.

If you discover someone's missing cousin and they have amnesia... you don't give up on informing their family because you got hung up on after 2 phone calls. If Lex really wanted to tell Clark he found Kara, he could have just driven across town and seen him face to face or been a little more persistent than calling twice and giving up.

That's why I also think that he's lying. Lana's always had Kara's best interests at heart ever since Lana's gone to live on the farm in "Fierce". She talked to her in "Cure" while they were still wearing their nightwear and she also searched hard to find Kara in "Lara".

Lana wouldn't hang up on Lex because Lex doesn't really have anything on her. She's got him in check IMO. Lana may be scared of Lionel because he does have strong ties to Clark while Lex doesn't. And Lex knows how close Chloe is with Clark, so why didn't he call her also like Dor_el said?

[xrayvision]

Yep, he lied. He had no intention of letting Clark know until he was able to run his tests on her. If he can't have Clark's secret, then he'll go after Kara's.

So you're saying that he's trying to find out Clark's secret through Kara since he knows they're related and if Kara proves to be an alien, then that means Clark is also? That's interesting. It shows that just like Clark hasn't given up on Lex, Lex hasn't given up on Clark's secret.

[aXem]

he lies so good.. i can't tell..

yeah

[Dannyblue1]

Like I said before, I think he did call. I just can't see Lex lying about something that's so easy to check. And it wouldn't even need to involve Chloe hacking into anything. I can go to my phone right now and find out who's called, and how many times. So can Clark. Lex knows this, so why lie about it.

If he really didn't call, I just see Lex coming up with a much better, harder to check out lie than, "I called, but Lana hung up on me." The very simplicity of it makes me lean towards it being true.

As for Lex having a 50/50 chance of getting Clark or Lana when he called the house, I don't think it matters. Does anyone really think Clark would've been interested in having a chat with Lex. It could be he called to cover his bases, and pretty much expected to get hung up on before he could explain about Kara no matter who answered.

I definitely don't think Lex tried as hard as he could to contact Clark about Kara. I think he mostly called so that he could say he called. (To Kara, if she ever asks, more than anything else.) But I think it's very possible Lex did call, and Lana did hang up on him.

[Dor el]

Good points. Lex certainly could get hold of Clark if he really wanted to. If Clark thinks about it (doubtful), maybe he will check to see if Lex lied or not. If he did tell the truth, then Clark can be reassured that the good in Lex is still able to influence him to some degree. And if Clark finds out that Lex lied, then Clark will be reminded about just how manipulative, how deceitful, how cool under fire, how dastardly. how up to something Lex really is. Regardless, Clark has gotta wonder why/how Lex found Kara. That alone should raise suspicion.

[Hopefulsuicide]

hmmm do you recon clark even went home and asked lana about it? or does he just assume its a lie and ignore it?

i think maybe he did call a few times, but he never would have told clark about kara... he probably called, knowing no one would give him the time of day just so he could say he tried, but never actually intending to tell about kara if anyone did listen to him

[All about Clark]

Lex is a habitually liar, I can't believe dannyblue that you don't realize this, Clark did.

See the problem with your thinking is that Lex purposefully took Lois' phone from her to keep the Kara being found a secret and Lex's involvement. Now if he really did call, he wouldn't have taken her phone now would he. And do you really think Lex cares if Clark checks with Lana regarding the call. Both Lex and Clark know that it would be a complete waste of time because it changes nothing. Clark would know what he already knows, that Lex is a habitual liar.

[Lazy Boy]

I think he was telling the truth. The way the scene was played it looked like it was meant to be true.

[Dor el]

Another good point Would show the deviousness of Lex. It is easy to pick up the phone and dial it but, that would not mean that Lex had any intention of telling Clark that he had found Kara. Did Clark even tell Lex that she was missing? If not, how would he explain his finding her? Or even that he was searching for her. It is unlikely that a multimillionaire would go to a run down neighbor in Detroit just for coffee. Lex went to Detroit with a purpose and that purpose might be hard to explain. Besides, as Lex said, he doesn't give a fig about whether or not Clark thinks Lex is a liar. He could explain zway the absence of his phone number on the caller ID log, but saying Lana somehow erased the log just to make him look bad. This would serve two purposes for Lex: 1. it would explain why the caller ID didn't show Lex's number; 2. it would further cause Clark to question Lana's open honesty.

[Dannyblue1]

Lex is a habitually liar, I can't believe dannyblue that you don't realize this, Clark did.

See the problem with your thinking is that Lex purposefully took Lois' phone from her to keep the Kara being found a secret and Lex's involvement. Now if he really did call, he wouldn't have taken her phone now would he. And do you really think Lex cares if Clark checks with Lana regarding the call. Both Lex and Clark know that it would be a complete waste of time because it changes nothing. Clark would know what he already knows, that Lex is a habitual liar.

One, taking the phone from Lois wouldn't keep Lois from telling Clark she (and Lex) had found Kara. Lex pretty much knew, once he saw Lois, that the jig was up. So taking the phone for that purpose alone wouldn't make sense.

If anything, I think Lex took the phone to show how unwise it was for Lois to give it to him in the first place. Lois hands him her evidence, which Lois has done before. Lex casually puts it in his pocket. Lois spits and sputters, but there's not a lot she can do about it but tackle him to the ground and wrestle him for it. It was funny.

Plus, Lex had to have the phone in order for the guy to find it on him and give it to Lionel, who gave it to Clark. It was a contrivance.

And you're right about Lex not seeming to care about what Clark thinks anymore. So why even bother to lie about calling?

1. To make himself look good to Clark? But, as you said, he no longer cares about looking good to Clark.

2. To cover his bases? If it's about covering his bases, lying about calling (which can be easily checked out) would be a dumb, pointless way to do it.

3. To make Clark doubt Lana? Again, if planting doubts in Clark's mind about Lana was the goal, doing it with an easy-to-check lie would be a very dumb, pointless way to go about it.

Lex lying about the phone calls would be like me lying about the color of the grass. Why bother when you can go outside, look at the grass, and confirm in 10 seconds that I was lying.

[Hopefulsuicide]

well if he's a compulsive liar none of those logics would run through his brain... it would literally be 'well why didnt you tell me' and then 'i did' wouild come out of his mouth with one lie of a reason or another to back it up

i think when lex then said he didnt care whether clark thought he was lying or not, it didnt prove that he wasnt lying, it just proved that it didnt bother him that clark wasnt falling for his lies anymore, cause other more important people (kara) were

[Dannyblue1]

well if he's a compulsive liar none of those logics would run through his brain... it would literally be 'well why didnt you tell me' and then 'i did' wouild come out of his mouth with one lie of a reason or another to back it up

Lex has not been characterized as a compulsive liar. A compulsive liar is someone who literally can't help it, and blurts out a lie before they can even think about it.

That's not Lex. When Lex lies, he does it because he has a reason. He uses lies like a tool, to serve whatever his purpose is at the time. If his purposes can be served just as well by telling the truth, he'll do that too.

That's why I can't see him telling such an easily-checked lie. It would serve no purpose.

[Hopefulsuicide]

yeah i agree with you, i dont think he's a compulsive liar, just wanted to throw it in there lol

as i said before, i think he rang, but without the intention of telling clark... so it was sort of a little white lie

[All about Clark]

One, taking the phone from Lois wouldn't keep Lois from telling Clark she (and Lex) had found Kara. Lex pretty much knew, once he saw Lois, that the jig was up. So taking the phone for that purpose alone wouldn't make sense.

The story was that Lex was taking Kara to be analyzed or whatever immediately. That is why she ran off to say goodbye to her new friends. Then Lois showed up. Lex didn't want Lois sending it to Clark immediately. Lex knew with no phone she couldn't get to Clark that fast and he and Kara would be gone. Lex got very close to getting what he wanted and he would have succeeded had jealous guy not got pissed and went after his Linda.

So your jig being up is not true. Lex plainly kept everything from Clark, no doubt about it. Like I said, if he was telling the truth, he wouldn't have cared about Lois' picture.

As for the lying, he is not a compulsive liar. But he clearly loves to lie and seems content when he gets to use that skill.

[euterpe]

Lex is a habitually liar, I can't believe dannyblue that you don't realize this

But then, so is Clark. So, why should Lex believe him when Clark says he still cares about him? That's not something that can be verified...phone records can. Neither of them have much credibility in the truthfulness department.