Clark seeing Lana in bed with Lex/Lex's mental love scene! (merged) [Archive]

christina

02-14-2008, 07:14 PM

This episode only proved one thing for me, MR is bored as hell with this show. because I know he can do better than that acting tonight! He looked dead in all of his scenes. No wonder he want's to leave so bad!

Ps Lex if you're trying to torture Clark with a sex scene with lana you could have atleast picked a scene where you both actually looked like you were having sex! that was a sorry excuse for a sex scene! No wonder Clark came out with his shoulder's brushed off! He still cared about you! you must have not scared him enough!

paolinki25

02-14-2008, 07:14 PM

You know what the worse part is? That no matter what Clark sees or feels or whatever, he's still obsessed with Lana. It's pathetic, imo.

clana4everfan2

02-14-2008, 07:15 PM

Eeewwww I cringed much like poor Clark at that Lexana scene... Lex is really evil.. And Clark wanted to beat the crap out of him then and there but he did get to later on.. haha :)

thehenry89

02-14-2008, 07:15 PM

One thing's for sure, Clark looked thoroughly disgusted.

He wasn't the only one :\

msleggie

02-14-2008, 07:26 PM

I know right! That makes me so angry, that sex scene between Lex and Lana should let Clark know that Lana may just love evil, and Lex represents that, and she said it herself, she'll always love him

wolverine316

02-14-2008, 07:30 PM

One thing's for sure, Clark looked thoroughly disgusted.

He isn't the only one. I think I swallowed my own vomit.

paolinki25

02-14-2008, 07:33 PM

:lol: Well, for me, it has come to a point where I care so little about Lana, she could be having sex with a cow, and I wouldn't give a damn. LOL. All in all, I guess they are still hinting the Lexana or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if Lana is saving Lex as her next backup boyfriend once Clark gets smart and leaves her.

Alexander III

02-14-2008, 07:33 PM

Clark should get back at Lana by videotapes himself having sex with Chloe and posts the video on youtube.

Batman/Superman#1

02-14-2008, 07:33 PM

this Lana character is just about sex now. Either with Clark, Lex or Bizzaro.

All I can say after Clana is dead NO Lexana return.

rissaroo689

02-14-2008, 07:35 PM

sickening is what that was.

i call fake.

paolinki25

02-14-2008, 07:35 PM

Yeah. I don't know. I honestly think they just don't know what to do with Lana anymore. She's just such a messed up character that they have to find weird plots to include her in the episode. A shame, really, cause KK is a good actress.

wolverine316

02-14-2008, 07:39 PM

Lana is a pathetic woman who is begging to jump into bed with anything. Whether it be Lex, Clark, or Biz.

minerva73

02-14-2008, 07:50 PM

That seed had nothing to do with "appreciating Lana". It was about Evil Lex being a torturing freak, as well as continuing to plant the seeds of doubt about their relationship after the events of Persona.

Yeah, you're right. I'm not thinking correctly now. Maybe the Lexana scene did that. :lol:

I don't really get why Clark would break up with Lana now. He saw Lex and Lana bonding for an entire season (maybe not the sex, but he's seen them do a lot of other things for a good year) and he's gotten back with Lana this season. But when he sees about 5 minutes of Lexana while inside Lex's mind, he's gonna just pull away from the relationship like that?

Who knows if Lana still cares about it? If Clark goes into Lana's mind, she may have tried to keep that away from her mind. It's most likely a scene in Lex's mind because he really enjoyed Lana's company. But Clark can't say that Lex's memories and thoughts are what Lana's thinking also IMO.

Eri-El

02-14-2008, 07:53 PM

Well I'm hoping that Clark will take that little sex scene and realize Lana as the scum that she is. But he'll probably just brush it off that it was not real.

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 07:54 PM

It was such a sad scene. Poor Clark...even though I dont know why he didnt just close his eyes? True he couldnt move his head, but Lex wasnt holding his eyelids open. I guess it's like a car crash, hard to look away. Lana and her stupid hair flip thing...it drives me crazy. haha....yea, thats what i got from the scene, annoying Lana flipping her hair. :)

double L

02-14-2008, 07:58 PM

It was a great scene, just another of the countless reasons that Clark should have nothing to do with Lana.

jazel

02-14-2008, 08:01 PM

the "I will always love you", was the icing on the cake.:lol:
she can ALWAYS say, Lionel made her say it :lol:

curiosity

02-14-2008, 08:02 PM

Yeah, that was pretty twisted. The scene was kinda cringe-worthy, but I guess it'll make Clark appreciate Lana or something. I liked how they even had the line about Lana loving Lex in the scene.

Really, why didn't they address it later. They didn't show Clark's later reaction to it at all.

jazel

02-14-2008, 08:03 PM

Really, why didn't they address it later. They didn't show Clark's later reaction to it at all.
Clark did seem unhappy to hear Lex mention Lana, when they talked about the missed phone calls.:lol:

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 08:11 PM

I expected Clark to ask Lana about the phone calls...but he assumed Lex was the one lying. My money is on Lana hanging up....but I guess you cant really blame her. What would she have to say to Lex or hear from Lex. I think it would have been ridiculous and would have made Clark look idiotic if he got upset with Lana about what he saw in Lex's mind. I mean...could you picture the conversation? "I saw you and Lex having sex...and it bothered me. true, it should have been a private moment between a husband and his wife...and I was breaking into Lex's mind...but really Lana, how could you?" Lana does need to be given slack now and then, and it's obvious she's at least tryign to be good...and having sex with her fiance or husband isn't something that should be held against her. Falling in love with Lex in the first place....not so great, but people make mistakes. I cant believe I am defending Lana. WOW! :)

xrayvision

02-14-2008, 08:19 PM

Does anyone think that Clark seeing Lana getting screwed by Lex did further damage to his image of Lana? Or do you think that Clark knows that the 2 were together and put that behind him as part of Lana's time with Lex.

Lana also said she would always love Lex. I wonder if that will cause any further problems.

jazel

02-14-2008, 08:19 PM

My money is on Lana hanging up....but I guess you cant really blame her. What would she have to say to Lex or hear from Lex. Falling in love with Lex in the first place....not so great, but people make mistakes. I cant believe I am defending Lana. WOW! :)

don't they have Caller ID ? apparently she was screening WHO she spoke to. she took the calls thinking Lex wanted to speak to her, not Clark....which is why she hung up. she wouldn't even answer Lionel's in Siren.:lol:

"I will love you always", is a line I pray CK doesn't forget, when he looks at Lana.:lol:

a month w/ Biz, and now the visuals for Lexana sex.....yeah, Clana has a very healthy, solid chance.....finally ! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

you_smell_terrific

02-14-2008, 08:21 PM

I think it did a little bit. I just loved how he was struggling to get away and then when he did he kept on staring LMAO!!

christina

02-14-2008, 08:21 PM

Clark could careless about that mess, I mean sure he was grossed out but looking at that scene it wasn't good enough to convince me she was having the best sex ever! which should have been what that scene should have been about. and she was wearing her engagement and wedding ring! me thinks Lex embellish alittle too much, Considering the state they were in after the wedding.Besides Clark was being caring to Lex how much could that have really scarred him? I gotta say that dude has the toughest skin! He tolerates more ******** than anyone else I know.
It was just another pointless scene with a pointless couple. it's like they want Lexana to interact but since they ruined the coupling by having him *****slap her lip open it deosn't seem like they can put them together that way anymore, so what do they do? thay have all this meanningless scene that won't have a follow up in the next episode to keep them interacting.

Cogito17

02-14-2008, 08:23 PM

Well, seeing as Lana thought she was pregnant, the fact that they were having sex shouldn't be a surprise. But, there is a difference between knowing it happened, and having it thrown in your face.

As for the "always love Lex', I think it falls into the same category. She may have felt that way at the time, before she discovered the truth, but I don't think it still holds true.

So, I don't think any of it will directly cause problems. Its just more to weigh on Clark's mind in what appears to be a down period in the Clark/Lana roller coaster.

xrayvision

02-14-2008, 08:24 PM

Mr. Clark Kent27

02-14-2008, 08:25 PM

I think it did a little bit. I just loved how he was struggling to get away and then when he did he kept on staring LMAO!!

Yeah I know, what do you expect him to do? That's his girlfriend, so he looks! That was so funny! Lex TRYING to get Clark to see him have sex with Lana! LMAO!

minerva73

02-14-2008, 08:26 PM

It didn't earlier in the season, so I don't see why it should now. Clark was perfectly able to get past the fact that Lana was with Lex to engage in a relationship with her earlier, so really there's no reason for him not to now.

He knows that Lana and Lex did it, he just never saw it. It would explain why she thought she was pregnant... Clark can add, so he should be able to deduce that Lex and Lana were really close and were going to have a "baby". A 3 minute scene of Lana and Lex having sex shouldn't bother Clark that much IMO if he's seen Lana profess her love for Lex numerous times in Seasons 5 and 6.

Never mind, Cognito17 just said what I was saying, lol. :)

Well, don't forget about what Lex threw in Clark's face in Wrath regarding Lana.

That Lana hated him? Even if Lana is focused more on Lex than Clark, he should know that it's because of how much she hates Lex instead of how much she loves Lex.

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 08:26 PM

TWLOVER03

02-14-2008, 08:27 PM

kinda off topic... but how awkward do you think this is for the actors to film!

WickedJenn

02-14-2008, 08:28 PM

He isn't the only one. I think I swallowed my own vomit.

:rotfl:

jazel

02-14-2008, 08:29 PM

but looking at that scene it wasn't good enough to convince me she was having the best sex ever!

even bad sex, can be good :lol:
considering she was forced into the marriage, just kind of telling about Lana's honesty....."I will always love you Lex." might not be forgotten so quickly, by CK.

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 08:30 PM

I think it did a little bit. I just loved how he was struggling to get away and then when he did he kept on staring LMAO!!

I thought that was hysterical too...he's struggling to move his head so he doesnt have to look. I'm thinking..."Blink stupid!" But it was probably hard to look away.

To answer the question...I dont think it's the fact that they had sex....it's the fact that she said she would always love lex. And Clark knows that apart of thats true. She will always love how bad she could be with lex...and thats going to interfere with their relationship. Atleast i hope it does!

xrayvision

02-14-2008, 08:30 PM

That Lana hated him? Even if Lana is focused more on Lex than Clark, he should know that it's because of how much she hates Lex instead of how much she loves Lex.

Well, in a way, what he said in Wrath was that her hate was a form of twisted love.

minerva73

02-14-2008, 08:31 PM

kinda off topic... but how awkward do you think this is for the actors to film!

They have great chemistry together IMO, so I guess it probably was easy. :p

^^Well, in a way, what he said in Wrath was that her hate was a form of twisted love.

That's how I took it also, but it shouldn't mess up how Clark looks at her now. AndiGirl is right about if Lana doesn't know how to let go, but Clark has seen that Lana's willing to do anything for Clark or Bizi sometimes, but not for Lex. And I think that's why Clark shouldn't be so worried about what she did with Lex.

If Clark goes into Lana's mind, she might have that memory tucked away in a dark place along with all of her memories of the good times she had with Lex because now she realizes that he's a monster.

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 08:34 PM

^^Well, in a way, what he said in Wrath was that her hate was a form of twisted love.

Maybe hearing it again will wake Clark up. He should have never asked Lana to stay...he should have let that relationship go along time ago

christina

02-14-2008, 08:35 PM

I think they were just engaged at that point...and not married. If Lana slept with Lex after they were married...then yea, she's pretty sick. She was already convinced she wanted to be with Clark at that point. It may not be meaningless if Clark cant get it out of his head. I think there's a part of Lana that will always love lex...which is so messed up. Or she is in love with what lex represents...her dark side. She could be had and Lex liked it...and even encouraged it. So yea...that will be a problem down the road if she cant let it go.

But I think she has already let it go hence her line to Loinel in Siren. She's moved on really, what that scene proved to me is that Lex is a sore loser! if anything he's the one obsessed with the Clana relationship. If he has to show Clark some sex scene with lana then he's just acting like a punk ass loser! :rotfl: That's almost the same thing as saying ooh my thing is bigger than yours:lol: How very juvenile. And lana could really careless about him in this episode which is sad on his part!

Clana4Life

02-14-2008, 08:43 PM

But I think she has already let it go hence her line to Loinel in Siren. She's moved on really, what that scene proved to me is that Lex is a sore loser! if anything he's the one obsessed with the Clana relationship. If he has to show Clark some sex scene with lana then he's just acting like a punk ass loser! :rotfl: That's almost the same thing as saying ooh my thing is bigger than yours:lol: How very juvenile. And lana could really careless about him in this episode which is sad on his part!

Exactly. She's over it. I think Lex should get over it, too. But he's not one to let go of his obsessions. However, he knows that if he pushes Lana too far, she will kill him. So, he keeps his distance.

smallvillelogan

02-14-2008, 08:43 PM

I also liked that in the sequence, Lana says she'll always love Lex. It's not only a way for MindLex to torture Clark, but I hope it will be used to have Clark question Lana about whether or not she still loves Lex because I think she still does (and is ignoring it, trying to make things work with Clark).

No way does Lana still love Lex! After what he did to her?! I'm not even going to start listing everything that he did to her to make her stay with him. What she said to him was before he began to manipulate her. That's probably an extension of the end scene of 'Wither' from early in Season 6, actually.

christina

02-14-2008, 08:48 PM

or hydro. Which will be kinda pathethic for Lex since she basically told him she loves another man! Please I'm through with this! they should be ashamed to have put a scene like that out to pass it off as a love scene! it's an insult to all loves scenes out there. It was pretty bad!! Laughable!

Cogito17

02-14-2008, 08:51 PM

I don't think it was intended at all to be a love scene.

It was supposed to be more of a torture scene for Clark. I think the scene was meant to say a lot more about Lex, as a cruel, sick, bad guy than anything about Lexana or Clana. Its not like we didn't know Lana/Lex had sex and that Lana has told Lex she loves him.

minerva73

02-14-2008, 08:51 PM

I think that Lana's over it too, but Lex might never be seeing as how that's probably the relationship that he's been in and he's enjoyed it the most. Chloe still has thoughts of Jimmy after their break-up, so maybe it's the same with Lex. Except in a creepier obsession kind of way.

Clana4Life

02-14-2008, 08:52 PM

My original post was somehow lost in the merged. I guess when MODS merge, they merge some posts out, but I'm not so sure that the scene Lex showed Clark was actually real. Lana had on a wedding band in that scene and Lex & Lana pretty much stopped having sex after the wedding. So either it was a fake scene created by Lex or maybe it was real and they screwed up the continuity, because Lana was not whispering bitter sweet nothings into Lex's ear after their wedding (and wedding band = married). Unfortunately Clark doesn't know this and he may think the scene is real. If it ever comes up (and I doubt it will, that would be so awkward), I think Lana can explain that it never happened. To my knowledge the only person she has ever said she will always love is Clark & that seems to be true as many times as these two keep coming back to each other.

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 08:53 PM

I dont think it was even about the love scene. That was just Lex being sick and twisted. It was about her last line "I'll always love you." Which of course she doesnt love lex, but a part of her will always love that hard, evil side of her she got to experience with lex. Which will end up being the tanker that takes down the Clana relationship. The fact the she went to all the trouble of tracking and stalking lex...she will always be tied to him, and Clark doesnt like that for obvious reasons.

jimmyolsenblues

02-14-2008, 08:53 PM

no no , i did not edit any posts out.

Clana4Life

02-14-2008, 08:54 PM

THat's so weird Jimmyolsenblues, I don't know what happened to it.

jimmyolsenblues

02-14-2008, 08:56 PM

normally if not always , if a post is deleted you will receive notice.
could just have been a rotten connection to the server.
sorry about that.

SmallvilleMan

02-14-2008, 08:56 PM

Which will end up being the tanker that takes down the Clana relationship. The fact the she went to all the trouble of tracking and stalking lex...she will always be tied to him, and Clark doesnt like that for obvious reasons.

Lex will have nothing to do with why Clana fails.........Clark will always be tied to Lex too, so I don't see how that matters.

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 09:02 PM

The way Lex is tied to Clark is totally different. Lex helped create this new, darker Lana. He is right in the middle of all her evil thoughts...and he will always be. Thats what I meant by my comment...Lex brought out a side of Lana that isnt going away. That new side...doesnt fit well with clark.

minerva73

02-14-2008, 09:03 PM

Lex will have nothing to do with why Clana fails.........Clark will always be tied to Lex too, so I don't see how that matters.

Depends on how it crumbles really. Lana could just run back to Lex and say that she loves him forever. :lol: It'd deal with Lex then. :p (jk)

Clana4Life

02-14-2008, 09:05 PM

minerva73

02-14-2008, 09:06 PM

But Lana's done with the dark side. I think that was shown in last week's episode. She's even warning Lionel about his darker side. I think that phase in Lana's life is over. Lex may be holding on to it but Lana has let it go. She's about about hacking computers to save the world. Chloe calls her the new Chloe-upgraded version. LOL :)

Lana's said that before, but I don't really know if it'll hold true. Hopefully it does, but you never know.

Hacking computers to save the world. :lol: That sounds like another movie ripoff. (jk)

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 09:07 PM

I think she wants to be done with it...and good for her, you can tell she's really trying. But I dont think she will ever be totally done with it. It's just a major part of who she is now...it's getting to the point where she cant tell whats right and wrong. She honestly thinks she's doing the right thing.

christina

02-14-2008, 09:08 PM

I agree Lex will have nothing to do with Clana ending it'll be by their own accord. for Lex to have something to do with their Breakup it'll have to be like Lana in the second half of season six except it'll be she loves Lex more than Clark *Which in my opinion is impossible* that'll only happen in Lex's dreams! As of now Lana looked pretty over Lex to me! If you'd have asked me before wrath I'd be a little doubtful! It wasn't that I thought she loved him, but after she found out the things he did to her her hatred was pretty strong back then which meant Lex still had something on her.

But now nada she seems indifferent! That Lab scene is an example. he was laying there almost dead and she didn't even give him a second thought! all she cared about was clark. even chloe showed more compassion in that scene to Lex than Lana did. atleast chloe went and took a glimpse at him! :lol:

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 09:12 PM

I dont mean she will run to Lex...I mean he has created the new Lana. The one that doesnt match up with Clark. Goodness...I'm too lazy to type it all again. haha. :)

minerva73

02-14-2008, 09:15 PM

I dont mean she will run to Lex...I mean he has created the new Lana. The one that doesnt match up with Clark. Goodness...I'm too lazy to type it all again. haha. :)

I think I get what you're saying completely. Clark doesn't like the new side of Lana that Lex brought out in Season 6. That's why he said that he was trying to mask up everything when he talked to her in "Wrath".

christina

02-14-2008, 09:18 PM

I dont mean she will run to Lex...I mean he has created the new Lana. The one that doesnt match up with Clark. Goodness...I'm too lazy to type it all again. haha. :)

Don't worry I got you!;) Yeah he created a monster in Lana when she was angry and bitter for what he did to her and I gotta tell ya I'm not sure what I would do if a man did what he did to Lana to me! But she's healing now and over it! she's minding hers and I suggest Lex learn how to do the same! :p

I doubt the biggest of Lana's worries are Lex right now, She's too busy trying to be good for Clark:lol: aww boo boo. :lol:

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 09:21 PM

Clana4Life

02-14-2008, 09:30 PM

But Lana's acting more like her old self. Though Lex's actions caused Lana to hate him and seek revenge, I don't think she has a vendetta anymore. I don't think it's a case of "she's gone bad she can never be good again." She wasn't bad when she was with Lex, she was just angry after what he did to her. But people do hurt each other and people learn to heal and move on. I also don't think Lana is changing to be what Clark wants her to be. She's just going back to her old self, the person she was before she found about Lex's lies. THat's a real and strong part of her, too.

BadToad

02-14-2008, 09:32 PM

I think, at most, Clark actually seeing that will just cause the Clana rift to slide a bit more apart. Yeah, intellectually, Clark knew Lex and Lana were having sex. Its a whole other thing to see it, and to have Lana whispering promises of love to Lex. Clark has often cast Lana as manipulated victim in the Lexana relationship, and in the end she was. But that isn't how it started out.

And this coming right on the heels of Lana prefering Bizarro, its like a one-two punch to an already shaky relationship.

Or, the whole thing could've just been an exploitive scene that added nothing of significance.

Super_Kara_2007

02-14-2008, 09:35 PM

Clark just wants Lana to be honest him, with that's he wants. Lana was only honest when she was threatened by Lionel. They used to be able to talk about everything with each other. They talked about stuff that they would never even tell Chloe. They both want to be like that again. I believe they can do it. I mean come on! If Clark can get over Lana having sex with Bizzaro for a month then he can definately get past her having sex with Lex. Clark knew thay were having sex anyway because Lana thought she was pregnant. The Lexana relationship was way back. The Bizzana sex and relationship just happened! ...So yeah I'm sure they'll get through it.

litew8

02-14-2008, 09:35 PM

One thing's for sure, Clark looked thoroughly disgusted.

:lol: All that was missing was Clark bursting out AAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!

christina

02-14-2008, 09:39 PM

haha, thanks! :)

Yea...I totally agree, Lana is making every effort in the world to be the way she used to. I honestly hope she can get it back...I just dont think it will happen. The biggest problem is she is trying to be what Clark wants, and she isnt changing for herself. I just dont think it will stick....and the bread crumbs lead right back to Lex.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

Exactly!

Lana cant pretend to be something she's not...which will lead to the end of Clana. And who changed Lana for the worst...that would be Lex. Which is what i mean when i say he will play a major role in the downfall. He's the root of the problem.

but see that's where you're *I don't want to use the word wrong* but wrong. It already Stuck! lana herself told Lionel clark pulled her from the edge! she was heading there but Luckily she had the influnce of a good person Like clark around her so she was able to pull through! Everyone has a dark side it doesn't make tham evil or justified but hers where pushed to the limits! but Luckily for her she was a good person which made it easy to let go of all the anger. Having Clark's love doesn't hurt either. ;)

but in Lex's case he just wants to be evil because he's had plenty of opportunity to change he's ways but he never learns! then he blames all his evilness on other people when he just can't let people live by their own choices and not his! anyway I'm through Blaming any of these character's mistakes on anyone! they have to take responsibility for their actions which is something Lex haven't done! This episode would have been a great way to showcase that but they didn't!

Man I don't think I've ever posted this much on K-site in one day! :lol:

Bosrudorfer

02-14-2008, 09:39 PM

I agree it was nasty and will probably increase the drift between them

minerva73

02-14-2008, 09:41 PM

I think, at most, Clark actually seeing that will just cause the Clana rift to slide a bit more apart. Yeah, intellectually, Clark knew Lex and Lana were having sex. Its a whole other thing to see it, and to have Lana whispering promises of love to Lex. Clark has often cast Lana as manipulated victim in the Lexana relationship, and in the end she was. But that isn't how it started out.

Clark didn't know about anything bad happening in Lexana when it first started IIRC. When they talked in "Fade" or somewhere around there, Lana made it aware to Clark that she was perfectly fine with Lex and she knew what she was getting into. Lana made it clear to Clark that she wanted to be with Lex not that Lex manipulated her into being in a relationship with her. And hasn't Clark seen Lana say that to Lex previously, so why should it take a bigger toll now?

litew8

02-14-2008, 09:43 PM

You know what I was thinking, with Lex's hands on his face like they were - Clark looked like that kid on "Home Alone". :lol:

AndiGirl

02-14-2008, 09:44 PM

but see that's where you're *I don't want to use the word wrong* but wrong. It already Stuck! lana herself told Lionel clark pulled her from the edge! she was heading there but Luckily she had the influnce of a good person Like clark around her so she was able to pull through! Everyone has a dark side it doesn't make tham evil or justified but hers where pushed to the limits! but Luckily for her she was a good person which made it easy to let go of all the anger. Having Clark's love doesn't hurt either. ;)

but in Lex's case he just wants to be evil because he's had plenty of opportunity to change he's ways but he never learns! then he blames all his evilness on other people when he just can't let people live by their own choices and not his! anyway I'm through Blaming any of these character's mistakes on anyone! they have to take responsibility for their actions which is something Lex haven't done! This episode would have been a great way to showcase that but they didn't!

Man I don't think I've ever posted this much on K-site in one day! :lol:

I know, my computer is getting worn out! :lol:

I do see your point, and I hope you are right...but one good dead doesnt redeem Lana. For me...it's one of those cases of "I have to see it to believe it." While she is making her best effort...she isnt there yet. She got dark...really dark there for awhile, you dont just magically come out of that. I personally think she will try, but the damage is already done. while she isnt a bad person at all...she isnt the person Clark fell in love with either.

christina

02-14-2008, 09:45 PM

You know what I was thinking, with Lex's hands on his face like they were - Clark looked like that kid on "Home Alone". :lol:

:rotfl: that scene was hard to watch but also hilarious! that whole scene was like a big :lol:

I know, my computer is getting worn out! :lol:

I do see your point, and I hope you are right...but one good dead doesnt redeem Lana. For me...it's one of those cases of "I have to see it to believe it." While she is making her best effort...she isnt there yet. She got dark...really dark there for awhile, you dont just magically come out of that. I personally think she will try, but the damage is already done. while she isnt a bad person at all...she isnt the person Clark fell in love with either.

Yeah but you're forgetting that it has been a while in smallville time since Lana has realized her mistakes. Since wrath and that was a minute ago.

Super_Kara_2007

02-14-2008, 09:45 PM

Well in the K-Site Spoilers .....It says,"Clark and Lana have some bumps in their relationship but they are still together by season's end". If Lana, Chloe, and Kara are going to team up to save Clark then you know thay'll be great. Also I'm sure Kara will have her memory and powers back too.

BadToad

02-14-2008, 09:45 PM

Lana made it clear to Clark that she wanted to be with Lex not that Lex manipulated her into being in a relationship with her. And hasn't Clark seen Lana say that to Lex previously, so why should it take a bigger toll now?

And Clark was pretty clear that he believed Lex "played Lana until she thought she was in love with him" (episode: Hydro). And no, Clark has never seen Lana telling Lex that she'll love him forever while naked in bed with him.

And seeing that, right on the heels of Lana preference for Bizarro? Yeah, I think it could take a toll on Clark. And if it does, I can't blame him.

litew8

02-14-2008, 09:47 PM

minerva73

02-14-2008, 09:48 PM

And Clark was pretty clear that he believed Lex "played Lana until she thought she was in love with him" (episode: Hydro). And no, Clark has never seen Lana telling Lex that she'll love him forever while naked in bed with him.

And seeing that, right on the heels of Lana preference for Bizarro? Yeah, I think it could take a toll on Clark. And if it does, I can't blame him.

While naked with him most likely not, but she's seen her profess her love for him anyways.

It should take a toll on him, but not too much of a big one b/c he should be aware of what happened between them while they were married. Doesn't he think that when he and Lana were with each other in "Wrath", that Lex might feel the same way?

I'm not sure if that made much sense, though.

Super_Kara_2007

02-14-2008, 09:55 PM

I know, my computer is getting worn out! :lol:

I do see your point, and I hope you are right...but one good dead doesnt redeem Lana. For me...it's one of those cases of "I have to see it to believe it." While she is making her best effort...she isnt there yet. She got dark...really dark there for awhile, you dont just magically come out of that. I personally think she will try, but the damage is already done. while she isnt a bad person at all...she isnt the person Clark fell in love with either.

As far as Lana ... I believe that anyone who has went through something as traumatising as what Lana has been through .....the wounds will always be there wehter you forget about them or not, they will always be there. But I know that Lana can move on from them. You can do that. So that way you won't even remember it anymore.

myankskent

02-14-2008, 09:55 PM

While naked with him most likely not, but she's seen her profess her love for him anyways.

It should take a toll on him, but not too much of a big one b/c he should be aware of what happened between them while they were married. Doesn't he think that when he and Lana were with each other in "Wrath", that Lex might feel the same way?

I'm not sure if that made much sense, though.

This whole lexana scene, IMO, was completely made up by Lex to get under Clark's skin. So when it comes to Clark's reaction, although it was tough to watch, I'm assuming that he knew that it wasn't real.

christina

02-14-2008, 09:56 PM

Clark never thought Lana didn't want to be with Lex by choiceyou can even tell from what he said to her in Siren that he was bitter that she was with Lex by choice! he basically threw her mistake in her face! Which I liked that he got out of his system.

But between them trying to recreate their trust and honesty issues I'm sure they've both been healing as seen in this episode. They worked together and all that jazz......I'm sure that scene wouldn't even be brought up again! which makes it stupid that they had it anyway. But it was an episode inside Lex's mind I don't know how much i trust it since he obviously is twisted and thinks the sun rises and sets on his ass!

A grown man with daddy issues, pick up your damn balls Lex! :P

ariana77

02-14-2008, 09:58 PM

hm...so my take on this whole thing is that they are majorly trying to push Lana away...which don't get me wrong I kinda like Lana but I'm over her crap and totally ready for Lois to move in...especially after her tears with clark last week!

Super_Kara_2007

02-14-2008, 10:00 PM

:lol: Out of all seriousness - here's what I think the scene meant. Lex still thinks about Lana! Clark was inside of his mind - and that's what Lex was thinking about right at that moment - about ready to die.

Doesn't forget that these are also Lex's THOUGHTS as well so that could have been fake. I can't see Lana saying that when she knows she doesn't really mean it. She told Clark in "Siren" that Clark is the only one she's ever Loved.

litew8

02-14-2008, 10:07 PM

Doesn't forget that these are also Lex's THOUGHTS as well so that could have been fake. I can't see Lana saying that when she knows she doesn't really mean it. She told Clark in "Siren" that Clark is the only one she's ever Loved.

That's what I meant. They were Lex's thought right at that moment. Before about ready to die. That means that Lex was thinking strongly about the time him and Lana slept together. I don't think it was a fake thought. That would also conclude that Lana lied to Clark!

christina

02-14-2008, 10:09 PM

I would have believed it was true if she didn't have her wedding and engament ring on! the director purposely zoomed in on it, it wasn't for nothing! Lex is making up stuff in his own head because Lana would not have said that after the wedding. Maybe they did have sex I don't know and don't care but he embellished that whole Love crap just to spite Clark.

Aww poor Lexie can't let Lana go :( it's sad that he has to make **** up to anger Clark nad he has the most boring imagination ever! so not creative! :lol: ooh sit on me and I'll flip you over and then kiss your neck and kiss mine........Common man!

litew8

02-14-2008, 10:13 PM

I would have believed it was true if she didn't have her wedding and engament ring on! the director purposely zoomed in on it, it wasn't for nothing! Lex is making up stuff in his own head because Lana would not have said that after the wedding.

Aww poor Lexie can't let Lana go :( it's sad that he has to make **** up to anger Clark nad he has the most boring imagination ever! so not creative! :lol: ooh sit on me and I'll flip you over and then kiss your neck and kiss mine........Common man!

Hmm... I just think the wedding ring signified that he married her. It is known that Lana did actually love Lex (at one time), and that they slept together! There doesn't seem to be anything fake about it.

christina

02-14-2008, 10:18 PM

Hmm... I just think the wedding ring signified that he married her. It is known that Lana did actually love Lex (at one time), and that they slept together! There doesn't seem to be anything fake about it.

she did love Lex but after the wedding things changed. she cancelled their honeymoon for pete's sake! I don't claim that they didn't have sex but the always love you stuff after the wedding seem very unlikely. Just saying.....

ariana77

02-14-2008, 10:18 PM

litew8

02-14-2008, 10:23 PM

she did love Lex but after the wedding things changed. she cancelled their honeymoon for pete's sake! I don't claim that they didn't have sex but the always love you stuff after the wedding seem very unlikely. Just saying.....

Well, I agree - except I just think that the wedding ring signified the memory of him marrying her - not necessarily that the scene occurred after the wedding.

christina

02-14-2008, 10:25 PM

good eye...didn't even think of that. then lex definitly made it up, we all know exactly how nervous and distant she was after the wedding...it was never the same

exactly! things were already bad for them before she found out about all of Lex's deeds and worst after! I mean common she came up with the lamest excuse for not going on an honeymoon! :lol: Something might happen to the baby? :rotfl: even Lex is not that dumb!

Well, I agree - except I just think that the wedding ring signified the memory of him marrying her - not necessarily that the scene occurred after the wedding.

If it wasn't a scene after the wedding then we really know Lex's head is very hyper then. If it wasn't a memory embellished a little then it didn't happen at all.

ClareKent

02-14-2008, 10:27 PM

I though all of the memorys were for real, and this one shouldn't be the exception, but the wedding ring didn't matched, so I don't know...anyway, I hope this gets Clark and Lana even further away from each other.

christina

02-14-2008, 10:31 PM

Some where his memories and his thought were to be added in. I think the scene did happen but that is how Lex wanted it to happen not necessarily how it did. Hence the embelishment!

litew8

02-14-2008, 10:35 PM

exactly! things were already bad for them before she found out about all of Lex's deeds and worst after! I mean common she came up with the lamest excuse for not going on an honeymoon! :lol: Something might happen to the baby? :rotfl: even Lex is not that dumb!

If it wasn't a scene after the wedding then we really know Lex's head is very hyper then. If it wasn't a memory embellished a little then it didn't happen at all.

Not necessarily. Considering there was a little kid (young Alexander) running around. Lex's memories were just there - not in any order fashion. Us seeing him making out with Lana and the wedding ring - doesn't mean that both are concurrent. Lex did make out with Lana, and in all likelyhood - she did say she would love him forever (or whatever). And seperately, she did marry Lex, and she had a ring. Three seperate memories, just cobbled together.

christina

02-14-2008, 10:39 PM

Not necessarily. Considering there was a little kid (young Alexander) running around. Lex's memories were just there - not in any order fashion. Us seeing him making out with Lana and the wedding ring - doesn't mean that both are concurrent. Lex did make out with Lana, and in all likelyhood - she did say she would love him forever (or whatever). And seperately, she did marry Lex, and she had a ring. Three seperate memories, just cobbled together.

That would make the scene inacurate then wouldn't it? That would mean the scene didn't happen like that which was my point to begin with. :p

Dannyblue1

02-14-2008, 10:42 PM

I actually think the scene was a call back to last episode.

When Clark and Lana are having problems, Lana is real quick to tell Clark he's the only man she's ever loved. It's, like, her get out of jail free card. No matter what Clark is upset about, telling him something like that usually makes him soften up.

Only, in "Siren," he pointed out to Lana that, no, she loved Lex and, in a way, Bizarro, too. (Which Lana didn't deny.)

Then, in this episode, he see and hears (with his own eyes and ears) Lana telling another man that she will love him forever.

I imagine it will make it hard for Clark to buy that, "You're the only man I've ever loved," line again.

litew8

02-14-2008, 10:46 PM

That would make the scene inacurate then wouldn't it? That would mean the scene didn't happen like that which was my point to begin with. :p

I don't think so. I just think that everything we saw was an actual memory of Lex's. Just that they were'nt in any type of order. Lex was shoving it all in Clark's face saying - "Look! I slept with your Lana, married her, and she said she'd love me forever.". Just three things that Clark didn't want to visualize, but Lex forced him to.

myankskent

02-14-2008, 10:52 PM

I don't think so. I just think that everything we saw was an actual memory of Lex's. Just that they were'nt in any type of order. Lex was shoving it all in Clark's face saying - "Look! I slept with your Lana, married her, and she said she'd love me forever.". Just three things that Clark didn't want to visualize, but Lex forced him to.

I have to disagree. The ring on Lana's finger told me that the scene never took place but leaving that out for a second, Lex was the one controlling what Clark saw at the time. It wasn't as if Clark, alone, walked into a room and saw it. That leads me to believe that Lex made up the whole event knowing that it would annoy Clark. He put on a nice little show for Clark, IMO.

Dannyblue1

02-14-2008, 10:55 PM

litew8

02-14-2008, 10:56 PM

jazel

02-14-2008, 10:59 PM

The ring on Lana's finger told me that the scene never took place
He put on a nice little show for Clark, IMO.

sorry, think you are wrong. there was a reason, "they" zoned in on Lana's ring.....possibly for clarification, and for me, confirmation that "yeah, she REALLY married the bastard".lol

malft

02-14-2008, 11:03 PM

Why are all of Lex's memories from the fourth persons perspective? What if twisty Lexs' memories were of him fantasizing about Martha Kent. What's the EEWWW factor now?

Batman/Superman#1

02-14-2008, 11:05 PM

"I will always love you" is just a inllusion from Lex's mind. She said to Lex in real life "Clark mean more to me than you ever will."

When she was with Lex she was just lost because of what Clark did to her.

christina

02-14-2008, 11:07 PM

I have to disagree. The ring on Lana's finger told me that the scene never took place but leaving that out for a second, Lex was the one controlling what Clark saw at the time. It wasn't as if Clark, alone, walked into a room and saw it. That leads me to believe that Lex made up the whole event knowing that it would annoy Clark. He put on a nice little show for Clark, IMO.

exactly! thankyou!

and I believe it when Lana tells Clark he's the only man she's ever really loved! because her love for Lex wasn't unconditional once things got rough and she wanted clark again *promise* love went out the window. I don't think that's someone you really loved to begin with. JMO there is a different between loving someone for loving you which I think that was where Lana's whole love for Lex came from. She felt wanted and everthing she thought clark wouldn't give her. and loving someone with all your heart which is what lana feels for clark.

With Clark no matter how aweful things got between them, he pushes her away or hurt her she just always comes back for seconds, thirds and more. Now that man she is addicted to! and I personally can't blame her! :p flove me some Tommy!

Dannyblue1

02-14-2008, 11:08 PM

"I will always love you" is just a inllusion from Lex's mind. She said to Lex in real life "Clark mean more to me than you ever will."

There was no indication that any of Lex's memories were illusions. I think we were supposed to see them as real.

And Lana herself said she was in love with Lex back when they were doing the deed. I have absolutely no difficulty believing she whispered something like that in an intimate moment. After all, she was telling people all over town (including Clark and Chloe) she loved Lex. Why wouldn't she tell him?

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:11 PM

Don't forget that Lana said YES, I WILL MARRY YOU LEX! Before changing her mind later. That just goes to confirm that her telling Clark that Clark is the only one she truely loved - WAS A LIE!

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----

sorry, think you are wrong. there was a reason, "they" zoned in on Lana's ring.....possibly for clarification, and for me, confirmation that "yeah, she REALLY married the bastard".lol

That was a big a** ring! :lol:

christina

02-14-2008, 11:18 PM

There was no indication that any of Lex's memories were illusions. I think we were supposed to see them as real.

And Lana herself said she was in love with Lex back when they were doing the deed. I have absolutely no difficulty believing she whispered something like that in an intimate moment. After all, she was telling people all over town (including Clark and Chloe) she loved Lex. Why wouldn't she tell him?

Yeah I don't doubt a scene like that could have happened between static and hydro but after the wedding which the ring indicated it seems unlikely that she would say that! she was in freaking tears on her wedding day and you expect me to buy that she said that after that? did they even have sex after the wedding? I remembered she wouldn't even let him touch her and then she lost the baby they couldn't really do anything after that.

maybe they did have sex who knows! it surely wasn't implied after the wedding. Ever thought that Lex might store things the way he wants to remember it?:lol: pathetic but still it's Lex luther master of all manipulators!

Don't forget that Lana said YES, I WILL MARRY YOU LEX! Before changing her mind later. That just goes to confirm that her telling Clark that Clark is the only one she truely loved - WAS A LIE!

Just because she changed her mind after a rejection from clark and then changed it later when she felt she had a chance with Clark again actually proves she loves Clark more!

Dannyblue1

02-14-2008, 11:22 PM

Yeah I don't doubt a scene like that could have happened between static and hydro but after the wedding which the ring indicated it seems unlikely that she would say that! she was in freaking tears on her wedding day and you expect me to buy that she said that after that? did they even have sex after the wedding? I remembered she wouldn't even let him touch her and then she lost the baby they couldn't really do anything after that.

maybe they did have sex who knows! it surely wasn't implied after the wedding. Ever thought that Lex might store things the way he wants to remember it?:lol: pathetic but still it's Lex luther master of all manipulators!

As others have said, it was a memory. Memories are funny things. It's not unusual to mix up details. You mostly remember something right, but remember yourself wearing a different shirt than the one you were actually wearing.

But I don't know what difference it makes, really. Even if that particular scene was manufactured (which I don't think it was), we know that:

a. Lex and Lana did sleep together. And

b. Lana did tell Lex she loved him on several occasions.

Why would Lex have to manufacture memories when he had actual memories of those things actually happening?

Batman/Superman#1

02-14-2008, 11:25 PM

Lana probably did love Lex but after the truth about the relationship and finding about Clark things changed.

Lex was probably manipulating Clark and Lex was thinking about Lana saying I will always love you and did in Lex's mind. If you get what I'm saying is Lex thinking and over doing it about things that Lana probably never said to him in real life, just manipulating Clark with it.

christina

02-14-2008, 11:27 PM

As others have said, it was a memory. Memories are funny things. It's not unusual to mix up details. You mostly remember something right, but remember yourself wearing a different shirt than the one you were actually wearing.

But I don't know what difference it makes, really. Even if that particular scene was manufactured, we know that:

a. Lex and Lana slept together.

b. Lana told Lex she loved him on several occasions.

Why would Lex have to manufacture memories when he had actual memories of those things actually happening?

He doesn't have to manufacture that because it did happen but it deosn't mean that particular scene happened the way he remembers it! and from the wedding ring that scene was a Lie! he made it look that way for clark to suffer! It's just like telling someone a story about yourself, you tell them how you want it to be portrayed it's not like they can prove you wrong! If anything you can add to it, subtract from it, do with it whatever you want. :lol: it's your head!

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:30 PM

Just because she changed her mind after a rejection from clark and then changed it later when she felt she had a chance with Clark again actually proves she loves Clark more!

I'm just saying:

01 - Lana slept with Lex
02 - Lex asked Lana to marry him
03 - Lana said YES
04 - Lana loved Lex, and said so (before marrying him)
05 - Lex bought Lana a big a** ring :lol:
06 - Lex showed Clark his memories
07 - Memories Clark did not want to face
08 - They were cobbled memories, but all factual in occurrance

It doesn't matter that the memories were put together to create the scene, the memories were all true. That's what matters.

christina

02-14-2008, 11:32 PM

Dannyblue1

02-14-2008, 11:33 PM

Just because she changed her mind after a rejection from clark and then changed it later when she felt she had a chance with Clark again actually proves she loves Clark more!

No, I think it means Lana doesn't know what the heck she wants. And she's incredibly finicky and wishy washy. And, apparently, falls in and out of love at the drop of a hat.

Lex was probably manipulating Clark and Lex was thinking about Lana saying I will always love you and did in Lex's mind.

Only Lana said similar things in real life when trying to easy Lex's insecurities. So, again, I can totally believe she said that to him in such an intimate moment.

I won't go into detail in deference to the delicate sensibilities of those reading. But sex does some wacky things to your brain in the moment. It can make you feel like the person you're with is the most wonderful person ever in the history of the world, and you want to be with them for all time. And, in that moment, you might indeed say something like, "I'll love your forever." Especially if it's someone you believe you love. (As Lana believed she loved Lex.)

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:35 PM

yeah but they didn't all occur at the same time! which makes it madeup! :lol:;) they didn't get married and live blisfully ever after! so......

I understand what you are saying - you consider it a memory that should exist in reality, aside from his memories. That's not what I saw. I saw Lex with memories of Lana, as he knew them. They were all true. I don't think Lex was having a "dream" of what he thinks reality is - just past memories put together.

Batman/Superman#1

02-14-2008, 11:39 PM

If Lex does end Clana for good hopefully Lexana wont return but i dont think it will happen since the stuff Lex has done to her. Either Lana will officially die like Mr. Kent or just disappear from Smallville.

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:43 PM

If Lex does end Clana for good hopefully Lexana wont return. Either Lana will officially die like Mr. Kent or just disappear from Smallville.

This memory thing may be indication of the future. I guess in the comics, Lana actually takes control of Lex Corp or something. This memory episode shows that Lex still thinks deeply about Lana, and will never forget that she said "I'll love you forever". Lex will do anything for her.

Dannyblue1

02-14-2008, 11:44 PM

Also, was Lana wearing a wedding ring or her engagement ring in the memory? (I was feeling to horrified for Clark having to watch Lexana sex to really focus on it.) But, if the ring everyone is talking about was the engagement ring there's really nothing to contradict the timing of the memory. Lex and Lana were happily engaged (and having sex) for quite a while.

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:45 PM

christina

02-14-2008, 11:47 PM

No, I think it means Lana doesn't know what the heck she wants. And she's incredibly finicky and wishy washy. And, apparently, falls in and out of love at the drop of a hat.

I believe she is like that but let's not exagerate? :p falling in and out of love with other Guys was always really dictated by lana's feelings for Clark! she could fall in and out of love with others but it's Fact that she has always loved Clark! even when she's mad at him she loves him! even when she's with other people and love them she loves Clark! so she has never been wishy washy about that. Lana has never been the dumper in any of her relationships with Clark she has always been the dumpee. But with others she has always been the dumper. and when Clark Dumps her the b*tch is usually efd up! So I don't think lana's love for lex ran as deep as he's trying to make it seem!

Only Lana said similar things in real life when trying to easy Lex's insecurities. So, again, I can totally believe she said that to him in such an intimate moment.

I won't go into detail in deference to the delicate sensibilities of those reading. But sex does some wacky things to your brain in the moment. It can make you feel like the person you're with is the most wonderful person ever in the history of the world, and you want to be with them for all time. And, in that moment, you might indeed say something like, "I'll love your forever." Especially if it's someone you believe you love. (As Lana believed she loved Lex.)

I can agree with this too if we didn't see how miserable she was after the wedding. and yes she had both the wedding ring and engagement ring on in the scene.

svsabbiesv

02-14-2008, 11:48 PM

i was so upset ...not that they showed the scene bc i thought that was the ruthless lex trying to show clark how evil he could be bc who out of the first season did lex try so hard to get clark n lana together, but upset that clark didn't need to see that..like everyone said I mean come on bizarro and now this haha lana has no chance now

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:50 PM

yeah but they didn't all occur at the same time! which makes it madeup! :lol:;) they didn't get married and live blisfully ever after! There is a difference between telling someone I love you and being married and professing you love to them! which according to the show didn't happen! so......

But the point being - everything we saw was true. They were memories that were put together in Lex's mind. They don't have to be a factual occurance that happened as a real life event. Lana (at some time) told Lex that she'll love him forever. They made out. Lex married Lana. Lex was showing Clark things he'll never experience, nor wanted to see - that's why Lex forced him to watch. Knowing that it makes Clark angry knowing that everything he saw was a result of his (Clark's) mistakes. (reference from past episodes)

christina

02-14-2008, 11:52 PM

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But the point being - everything we saw was true. They were memories that were put together in Lex's mind. They don't have to be a factual occurance that happened as a real life event. Lana (at some time) told Lex that she'll love him forever. They made out. Lex married Lana. Lex was showing Clark things he'll never experience, nor wanted to see - that's why Lex forced him to watch. Knowing that it makes Clark angry knowing that everything he saw was a result of his (Clark's) mistakes. (reference from past episodes)

I'm not saying it wasn't true, I'm just saying that scene wasn't true! get it?

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:54 PM

I'm not saying it wasn't true, I'm just saying that scene wasn't true! get it?

No, I don't get it! The contents of the scene were true. Which makes the scene true.
I get what you are suggesting, but it contradicts the facts - therefore, what you suggest cannot exist.

Batman/Superman#1

02-14-2008, 11:54 PM

This memory thing may be indication of the future. I guess in the comics, Lana actually takes control of Lex Corp or something. This memory episode shows that Lex still thinks deeply about Lana, and will never forget that she said "I'll love you forever". Lex will do anything for her.

Well Lana ends up with Pete to begin with but I'm not sure if they will follow that or not.

Dannyblue1

02-14-2008, 11:56 PM

I'm not saying it wasn't true, I'm just saying that scene wasn't true! get it?

Does it matter? Everything Clark saw happened. Whether it happened all at one time (which I believe), or it was a series of memories cobbled together (possible, given the nature of memory), what Clark saw was real.

Super_Kara_2007

02-14-2008, 11:56 PM

she did love Lex but after the wedding things changed. she cancelled their honeymoon for pete's sake! I don't claim that they didn't have sex but the always love you stuff after the wedding seem very unlikely. Just saying.....

Actually if you read the Smallville Season 5 Companion book (Page 116) , Kristin talks about Lana and Lex's relationship and says,"Lana Gravitated towards Lex because she knows that she would never really Love him".

christina

02-14-2008, 11:58 PM

No, I don't get it! The contents of the scene were true. Which makes the scene true.

The scene isn't correct because it didn't happen like that, sure the events in that scene could have accured at some point during their relationship but that scene was all put together which make it makes it a made up scene! I can't explain it any better that. :p and you're right it doesn't really matter.

I just feel like if Lex wanted to do something like that he should have been more creative that's all. It was so Lame and funny instead of Hot and distubing. But no complains here!

litew8

02-14-2008, 11:59 PM

Well Lana ends up with Pete to begin with but I'm not sure if they will follow that or not.

I don't know anything about the comics really. But wouldn't that be a kicker. After ALL OF THIS back and forth, back and forth with Clark and Lex (for YEARS!), they end the show with Lana leaving town with Pete. :rotfl:

jazel

02-15-2008, 12:01 AM

After ALL OF THIS back and forth, back and forth with Clark and Lex (for YEARS!), they end the show with Lana leaving town with Pete. :rotfl:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
YUP.....I CAN see that,:lol: happening.

Dannyblue1

02-15-2008, 12:01 AM

Actually if you read the Smallville Season 5 Companion book (Page 116) , Kristin talks about Lana and Lex's relationship and says,"Lana Gravitated towards Lex because she knows that she would never really Love him".

The actor's interpretations aren't always how the writers/producers see things. And, given some comments made on the show itself, I think the writers have decided she actually did, and might still have feelings for him. (The whole "twisted love" thing.)

However, I don't know that I believed Lana loved Lex either, which is why I always write "Lana believed she loved Lex." But, whether she actually did or not, she had certainly convinced herself she did (and was telling everyone else she did). So, therefor, I can believe her whispering words of love to him during the "happy phase" of their relationship.

litew8

02-15-2008, 12:01 AM

jazel

02-15-2008, 12:04 AM

The actor's interpretations aren't always how the writers/producers see things. And, given some comments made on the show itself, I think the writers have decided she actually did, and might still have feelings for him. (The whole "twisted love" thing.)

I think Lana, digs Lex (and his bad a$$ ways), and wants him to come after her unworthy a$$.:lol:

Dannyblue1

02-15-2008, 12:09 AM

The scene isn't correct because it didn't happen like that, sure the events in that scene could have accured at some point during their relationship but that scene was all put together which make it makes it a made up scene! I can't explain it any better that. :p and you're right it doesn't really matter.

And I think people are saying that, whether the memory was cobbled together from different things that happened at different times, it wouldn't really matter because those things themselves actually happened, and the effect on Clark would be the same.

Great point. I don't recall, but it was big and shinny. :lol:

It's usually engagement rings that are big and shiny. Wedding rings are bands. They might have elaborate carvings, and a few stones tastefully embedded in them. But "big and shiny" is usually the engagement ring.

Anybody got a picture of the ring in question?

Batman/Superman#1

02-15-2008, 12:10 AM

I don't know anything about the comics really. But wouldn't that be a kicker. After ALL OF THIS back and forth, back and forth with Clark and Lex (for YEARS!), they end the show with Lana leaving town with Pete. :rotfl:

Well Lex and Clark leave Smallville for Metropolis of course and Lana stays in Smallville and marries Pete.

christina

02-15-2008, 12:11 AM

The actor's interpretations aren't always how the writers/producers see things. And, given some comments made on the show itself, I think the writers have decided she actually did, and might still have feelings for him. (The whole "twisted love" thing.)

However, I don't know that I believed Lex loved Lana either, which is why I always write "Lana believed she loved Lex." But, whether she actually did or not, she had certainly convinced herself she did (and was telling everyone else she did). So, therefor, I can believe her whispering words of love to him during the "happy phase" of their relationship.

If she still had any kind of feelings for him she wouldn't have let the things he did go! and let's remember that whatever this scene is it was a while ago which lex won't let go of. this wasn't lana's head it was Lex's so it's irrelivant to lana's current feelings.

Since Siren she has pretty much given up on Lex so it's up to lex to do whatever he want's to do with his memories! Like she told Clark 'she thought the love she had for Lex was enough' when infact it wasn't enough to get her mind off another man not that strong a Love to begin with if you ask me!

Lana loves Clark enough to say F Lex! :lol: I don't see her doing that for Lex ever.Lex is just a sore looser. but I'm sure he'll be alright! :p

I cannot believed I just spent my night Defending clark and Lana's actions!:lol:

What if Lana actually went back to Lex and slept with him after returning to Smallville? :lol: :p
yeah that happened! :lol:

litew8

02-15-2008, 12:14 AM

I think Lana, digs Lex (and his bad a$$ ways), and wants him to come after her unworthy a$$.:lol:

Where's the barf smilie when you need it. :lol:

jazel

02-15-2008, 12:16 AM

Where's the barf smilie when you need it. :lol:

they won't give us one, as we "may" abuse it.:lol:

Dannyblue1

02-15-2008, 12:16 AM

If she still had any kind of feelings for him she wouldn't have let the things he did go! and let's remember that whatever this scene is it was a while ago which lex won't let go of. this wasn't lana's head it was Lex's so it's irrelivant to lana's current feelings.

Well, the thread isn't about Lana's current feelings for Lex. The big question asked in the thread was about whether the memory was real or manufactured. I think it was real. The episode didn't give me reason to believe it wasn't.

I don't know how the heck Lana feels about Lex now, nor do I think it matters in regards to what happened in this episode. I don't even think the episode was even about what Lex might or might not feel for Lana. Evil Lex wanted to hurt Clark. He showed him a (real) memory that he knew would do just that. End of story.

litew8

02-15-2008, 12:17 AM

I cannot believed I just spent my night Defending clark and Lana's actions!:lol:

:rotfl:

yeah that happened! :lol:

Seriously! :rotfl:

christina

02-15-2008, 12:19 AM

Well, the thread isn't about Lana's current feelings for Lex. The big question asked in the thread was about whether the memory was real or manufactured. I think it was. The episode didn't give me reason to believe it wasn't.

I don't know how the heck Lana feels about Lex now, nor do I think it matters in regards to what happened in this episode. I don't even think the episode was even about what Lex might or might not feel for Lana. Evil Lex wanted to hurt Clark. He showed him a (real) memory that he knew would do just that. End of story.

Ok great! let's say the scene was real! but it's pointless now as she don't want him anymore and Lex felt the need to hurt clark with his memories which means he's still bitter so....;)

christina

02-15-2008, 12:21 AM

I only know so much because my sister loves Clana so much! I'm just a Clark whore so I don't really care as long as Clark is looking good and sexy hmm...I'm done! :lol:

Dannyblue1

02-15-2008, 12:24 AM

Ok great! let's say the scene was real! but it's pointless now as she don't want him anymore and Lex felt the need to hurt clark with his memories which means he's still bitter so....

Like I said, I don't think it's about how Lex feels about Lana, or whether he wants her or not. The scene was about hurting Clark in retaliation for oh so many things, from lying to him all the time, to busting into the the mansion to accuse him of everything under the sun, to eventually dissolving their friendship.

christina

02-15-2008, 12:28 AM

Like I said, I don't think it's about how Lex feels about Lana, or whether he wants her or not. The scene was about hurting Clark in retaliation for oh so many things, from lying to him all the time, to busting into the the mansion to accuse him of everything under the sun, to eventually dissolving their friendship.

Well then I guess he's a bitter ex friend then? Lex tries so hard to hurt Clark when he's the one who has wanted everything that belonged to Clark! which I never understood :rolleyes: you're a freaking billioneer man buy new friends!! :lol: just move on! Clark don't really care so he's wasting his time. He's going to turn evil and clark is going to have a good life, so really he's torturing himself.

I get what you meant though! ;)

litew8

02-15-2008, 12:30 AM

I think Lana, digs Lex (and his bad a$$ ways), and wants him to come after her unworthy a$$.:lol:

:lol:

http://www.ilsiciliano.net/MISC/smack_face.gif

christina

02-15-2008, 12:32 AM

:lol:

http://www.ilsiciliano.net/MISC/animated_barf.gif

Ok now see that's just wrong! :p

litew8

02-15-2008, 01:29 AM

^ :lol: - I changed it.

kentfamily

02-15-2008, 02:16 AM

For some reason, I am still getting the impression that it was the scene where Lana only had sex with Lex that one time after that Dark Thursday Party (Costume Ball) then right afterwards she found out she was prego. They were not even married or engaged at the time. She had just moved into his mansion. I think that sex scene in Lex's mind was the extension from the one time affair he had with Lana. As for the ring part, I am not sure what it signified because Lana never wanted to have sex with Lex after the wedding, they never consummated the marriage.

Do you think that scene could get any awkward between the 2 actors? I mean Lana/KK didnt look comfortable doing that scene and Lex/MR didnt look comfortable either.
I mean really, her sitting on top of him, it seems like she couldnt wait to get off.
Even the Bizana bedroom scene from Persona was awkward, Bizarro was soooo stiff lying there with Lana, it was soo bad. It was as though Bizarro was afraid to touch Lana the morning after their supposed love making.
It was sad to see Clark was upset when he saw that scene between Lex and Lana. It does hurt eventhough that memory was from the past.
A person can still love the one true love while loving another person at the same time. Lana will always love Clark eventhough she could be with someone else. Loving both persons at the same time, can happen.....it happens in real life, too.

Vala

02-15-2008, 02:43 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3_-evBjjm0
I like the end....the rest was funny.:\
I don't think it was Kristin in all the shoot.
When Lana was sitting on top of lex, it wasn't KK.

jazel

02-15-2008, 02:50 AM

When Lana was sitting on top of lex, it wasn't KK.
Did Martha, come back for a visit ?:p

Vala

02-15-2008, 03:22 AM

Did Martha, come back for a visit ?:pHa? Do you think it was Marta? :lol:

minerva73

02-15-2008, 06:21 AM

Do you think that scene could get any awkward between the 2 actors? I mean Lana/KK didnt look comfortable doing that scene and Lex/MR didnt look comfortable either.
I mean really, her sitting on top of him, it seems like she couldnt wait to get off.
Even the Bizana bedroom scene from Persona was awkward, Bizarro was soooo stiff lying there with Lana, it was soo bad. It was as though Bizarro was afraid to touch Lana the morning after their supposed love making.

Yeah, it did look kinda forced now. They (KK and MR) seemed to be lacking the chemistry that Kristom has. Maybe the scene in "Persona" was supposed to look like that, but when Lana kissed him he looked like he was enjoying it too. :\

I just realized that this episode happened on Valentine's Day. :p Maybe that was the Al/Miles Valentines present for us. :lol:

Dew_drops

02-15-2008, 06:22 AM

I'm just saying:

01 - Lana slept with Lex
02 - Lex asked Lana to marry him
03 - Lana said YES
04 - Lana loved Lex, and said so (before marrying him)
05 - Lex bought Lana a big a** ring :lol:
06 - Lex showed Clark his memories
07 - Memories Clark did not want to face
08 - They were cobbled memories, but all factual in occurrance

It doesn't matter that the memories were put together to create the scene, the memories were all true. That's what matters.

I don't get it...

You saying if a person has 3 different memmories and puts them together to make one memmory then it becomes I quote - a 'true' memmory.

So Lex remembered he and Lana having sex and saying I love you and then he added another scene where he remembered a ring on her finger and put it in with this memmory and this makes the sexana scene a 'true' memmory?

Dude, no offence, but that just doesn't make sense. I seriously don't see Lana saying ' I love you Lex' AFTER her big wedding messup.

She obviously had sex with him
She most probably told him she loved him

but I don't see how that scene is a real memmory if she has her whole rock on her finger when it happened. Because that would mean the scene took place AFTER her marriage.

My point: IMO that scene was NOT a 'true' memmory.;)

I had fish last week and pasta this week, but saying I had them together at the same meal doesn't make it a true memmory.Makes it an eloborate lie.

red_sun1938

02-15-2008, 07:33 AM

You know what the worse part is? That no matter what Clark sees or feels or whatever, he's still obsessed with Lana. It's pathetic, imo.

Sad but true.

LoveHurts38

02-15-2008, 07:33 AM

All I can say about the scene was ...Like, WOW...at least we don't have to see a naked Lana on top of Clark.

myankskent

02-15-2008, 07:37 AM

I don't think so. There was no evidence Lex (either one) was manufacturing the memories. Instead, the memories were real, and they were like different rooms in Lex's mind. Evil Lex forced Clark into a particular room that held memories he knew Clark would be bothered by. But the memory itself was real.

I doubt very much that it was real because it seemed too perfect to be real, and by "perfect", I mean that it included everything that would annoy Clark in one neat little package. That's why I think that it was made up by Lex knowing that it would bother Clark. However, if I had to take a guess, I would say that this scene never gets mentioned again and is not a big issue as far as Clana was concerned. To be honest here, Clark knows that Lana was in a relationship with Lex, had sex with him and was engaged to him. He also knows that Lana currently hates Lex given everything that he did to her so how a scene like this would change anything is beyond me. The time for Clark to be bothered by Lana being with Lex was at the end of season 5 and first half of season 6. Yet after all of that, he still decided to begin a relationship with her in season 7. JMHO.

dunkman

02-15-2008, 08:47 AM

Yeah, that was pretty twisted. The scene was kinda cringe-worthy, but I guess it'll make Clark appreciate Lana or something. I liked how they even had the line about Lana loving Lex in the scene.

"Appreciate Lana"?!? That should make him doubt her even more!

supergirl28

02-15-2008, 08:50 AM

As if Clark didn't already look at Lana differently....

When Lex in white (LIW) was forcing Clark to look at a memory of when Lex was making love to Lana (or was that Lana making love to Lex?) I was like....WOW! That is some messed up stuff.

I so agree with you. what kind of a jerk is Lex, forcing Clark watching the tywo of them making love. EWWWW, and what a heart breaker for Clark, he just over the fact that the phantom slept with her, now he has to watch her with Lex. so wrong.

xrayvision

02-15-2008, 08:57 AM

I so agree with you. what kind of a jerk is Lex, forcing Clark watching the tywo of them making love. EWWWW, and what a heart breaker for Clark, he just over the fact that the phantom slept with her, now he has to watch her with Lex. so wrong.

That was the Evil Lex from Onyx that we saw again this time in Lex's mind. It's natural that the Evil Lex would do that. If someone told me that he would have done that prior to watching the episode, I would have no problem believing it. That is the maniac within Lex.

christina

02-15-2008, 09:09 AM

too bad his little juvenile games won't amount to nothing! :p I basically sum it up to Lex being a sore loser! :lol: And omg I tried to watch that scene again to see if it can get a reaction from me, meh..both actors looked uncomfortable. and it seems like it was only Kristin in the closeups not the far shots! they had me convinced there for a minute! ;) and in persona that bizana scene might have not beeen OMG hot but atleast the actors actually pulled off being inlove, unlike this mess. and it was so sad because this scene was suppose to look better than the one in persona! ha!

also another reason I think what's in lex's head is the difference between the Scenes with Kara that took place in Lex's Head and the Scene that takes place in the Talon & someone tell me which is the "real" Lex and the Lex as he percieves himself as?

Jaderoyale

02-15-2008, 10:04 AM

It did make me feel slightly ill.
Explicit for Smallville.
I was shocked.
Then i got over it.
Lol.

kate_lang

02-15-2008, 10:47 AM

I gotta say that's probably the most erotic scene I've seen on SV. This scene was like lex and desire sex scene in season 2 and the writers cut this scene.. Now they makes lexana sex so explicit. This was ridiculous.

litew8

02-15-2008, 12:14 PM

I don't get it...
You saying if a person has 3 different memmories and puts them together to make one memmory then it becomes I quote - a 'true' memmory. So Lex remembered he and Lana having sex and saying I love you and then he added another scene where he remembered a ring on her finger and put it in with this memmory and this makes the sexana scene a 'true' memmory? Dude, no offence, but that just doesn't make sense. I seriously don't see Lana saying ' I love you Lex' AFTER her big wedding messup.

She obviously had sex with him
She most probably told him she loved him, but I don't see how that scene is a real memmory if she has her whole rock on her finger when it happened. Because that would mean the scene took place AFTER her marriage.

My point: IMO that scene was NOT a 'true' memmory.;)

I had fish last week and pasta this week, but saying I had them together at the same meal doesn't make it a true memmory. Makes it an eloborate lie.

Yea, that's what I'm saying. Consider this -

Last week I had:

(mon) ice cream
(tues) pizza
(wed) pasta
(thu) bread
(fri) turkey
(sat) roast beef
(sun) steak

They are all lingering memories in my head - all seperated by days, but they all reside in one place - a sector in my head. It's like that - if I had a memory of all of them at once, I'd be sitting at a large table packed full of food. One gigantic feast - with all of the items sitting on the table. It doesn't make it a lie because my brain consists of all of those memories. If you came into my brain and seen them all together - it's because they all reside in the "food" sector of my brain. Much like Lex's memories, his most "romantic", "memorable" memories of Lana existed in one place

Tottally ~ Free

02-15-2008, 12:34 PM

Memory or not the disturbing thing about it all is that clana are still teqnically together.

wtf are they doing to clark?

L&L

02-15-2008, 12:44 PM

Clark should get back at Lana by videotapes himself having sex with Chloe and posts the video on youtube.

Genious! :rotfl:

kate_lang

02-15-2008, 12:47 PM

At least KK was very sexy in lexana scene.

christina

02-15-2008, 12:52 PM

there was nothing sexy about that scene! they could have done better! I shouldn't be LMAO to a scene like that, I should be left speechless. :lol:

slayer

02-15-2008, 12:53 PM

It did make me feel slightly ill.
Explicit for Smallville.
I was shocked.
Then i got over it.
Lol.

exactly :lol:

love_smallville

02-15-2008, 12:59 PM

He can barely kiss her after Bizarro. Now this....poor Cark probably won't be able to even hold her hand

we can only hope ;)

litew8

02-15-2008, 01:04 PM

I should be left speechless. :lol:

It was so disturbing, it left me speachless.

christina

02-15-2008, 01:04 PM

we can only hope ;)

your avi is so gorg! ;)

It was so disturbing, it left me speachless.

anytime they try to make Lexana sexy it's disturbing for me but atleast it use to disgust me but this one where thier obviously trying to show them being extremely explicit it came off like a joke. I wasn't even disgusted I was just laughing! they are rediculously awkward together. they should never try to bring the sexy with these two.

kal-el_Girl

02-15-2008, 01:30 PM

Clark should get back at Lana by videotapes himself having sex with Chloe and posts the video on youtube.

omg that would be a great payback and basically it would do good to humanity overall, and not mentioning chloe would get finally a piece of that fine man!!:lol:

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

Ok great! let's say the scene was real! but it's pointless now as she don't want him anymore and Lex felt the need to hurt clark with his memories which means he's still bitter so....;)

the scene is not pointless at all!! this is the point of no return for clana, first knowing that there was ever a Bizana and now he literally knows how lexana made love or sex, I think it was sex for lex and "love" for lana, I must say she was very hands on haha
:eek:

All about Clark

02-15-2008, 01:44 PM

It is obvious that Clark was upset by Lana first being with Lex and then Bizarro. I think this sex scene just reinforces that feeling and puts a wedge between Clana. I think he won't be able to get past it even if it is his desire to. Like something nagging at the back of your mind. I think Clark's speech to Lana about not giving up the relationship was not realistic, a desire of his that he can't fulfilled.

christina

02-15-2008, 02:04 PM

omg that would be a great payback and basically it would do good to humanity overall, and not mentioning chloe would get finally a piece of that fine man!!:lol:

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

the scene is not pointless at all!! this is the point of no return for clana, first knowing that there was ever a Bizana and now he literally knows how lexana made love or sex, I think it was sex for lex and "love" for lana, I must say she was very hands on haha
:eek:

Well they are still together so it must not have been very effective so yeah! and where are people getting this proof that it put a wedge between them when they didn't even have a scene after that? I'm just being realistic.

kal-el_Girl

02-15-2008, 02:17 PM

Well they are still together so it must not have been very effective so yeah! and where are people getting this proof that it put a wedge between them when they didn't even have a scene after that? I'm just being realistic.

don't worry that scene is coming... although this is smallville and there might be a continuity problem LOL :rotfl:
still I'm counting on it!!!!!1

boywithbluehanger

02-15-2008, 02:19 PM

I LOVED that Clark had to watch the sex scene between Lexana!! :lol:

The whole scene I kept shouting "KNEEEEEL!!!!" because it felt so Zod-like!!

christina

02-15-2008, 02:25 PM

don't worry that scene is coming... although this is smallville and there might be a continuity problem LOL :rotfl:
still I'm counting on it!!!!!

of course they'll eventually breakup it's inevitable but I don't think this particular event will be a factor in it. :p I can bet a billion that that scene will never be brought up again, which is one of the reason I hated that it was in the episode to begin with! If it's useless and not Hot don't shove it in my face!:rolleyes: :lol:

litew8

02-15-2008, 02:27 PM

If it's useless and not Hot don't shove it in my face!:rolleyes: :lol:

http://www.ilsiciliano.net/MISC/smack_face.gif

christina

02-15-2008, 02:41 PM

http://www.ilsiciliano.net/MISC/smack_face.gif

Thank you!:rotfl:

smallvillelogan

02-15-2008, 02:54 PM

But Lana's done with the dark side. I think that was shown in last week's episode. She's even warning Lionel about his darker side. I think that phase in Lana's life is over. Lex may be holding on to it but Lana has let it go. She's about about hacking computers to save the world. Chloe calls her the new Chloe-upgraded version. LOL :)

Lana still has that 'dark side,' for sure. I don't doubt that for one second. She hasn't done much at all to prove to Clark or any of the characters that she is changing from how she was earlier in the season.

christina

02-15-2008, 03:01 PM

Lana still has that 'dark side,' for sure. I don't doubt that for one second. She hasn't done much at all to prove to Clark or any of the characters that she is changing from how she was earlier in the season.

She hasn't? did she not drop her fixation on Lex? Telling Lionel she was all about Clark now? which was her major source of anger to begin with. Hasn't she been helping Clark anyway she can? Didn't she warn Loinel about getting carried away with darkness? Let's give credit where it's due.

smallvillelogan

02-15-2008, 03:34 PM

She hasn't?
did she not drop her fixation on Lex?
Telling Lionel she was all about Clark now? which was her major source of anger to begin with.
Hasn't she been helping Clark anyway she can?
Didn't she warn Loinel about getting carried away with darkness? Let's give credit where it's due.

No, she hasn't dropped her fixation on Lex. She wouldn't have known about Lionel's technology of interrogating the minds of terrorists if she had truly stopped spying on him.

She helped Bizarro, because in her own darkness she couldn't see the Phantom's true nature, as much or more as she's helped Clark so far.

Your last point... eh. She's just shoving back what Lionel told her up in the loft back in 'Action' as much as anything else. ("You're on the edge of going down a black hole," etc.)

cantankerous

02-15-2008, 03:50 PM

No, she hasn't dropped her fixation on Lex. She wouldn't have known about Lionel's technology of interrogating the minds of terrorists if she had truly stopped spying on him.

Sorry I'm just jumping into a long conversation here, but I thought Lana started this investigation because Clark and Chloe ask her for help at ISIS so that Chloe doesn't use her own powers to save Lex. That's the impression I got.

L&L

02-15-2008, 04:22 PM

I wonder if this scene was orginally taped in season 6 Wither episode. It would fit perfectly. ;)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1DG0wJQHS0

All about Clark

02-15-2008, 04:39 PM

Lana's demeanor is harsher than years back, I'm not convinced she's subdued her dark side, I think it's more of trying to trick herself by doing good actions. She could easily slip back into that darkness if provoked. I have to give her credit for her efforts, but that won't be enough.

83kaL

02-15-2008, 04:44 PM

I hope this leads to Clois!

christina

02-15-2008, 04:47 PM

right because she's truly evil! ;) gimme a break!

No, she hasn't dropped her fixation on Lex. She wouldn't have known about Lionel's technology of interrogating the minds of terrorists if she had truly stopped spying on him.

she was asked to look into it and she had the technology for so she did with chloe and Clark right there so what are you talking about? It's been shown that she stopped all that anger she had because some peple are just worth it! i.e Clark. I mean I'm just going with what I see on my screen now, are you going to ignore fact because it doesn't seem likely?

Your last point... eh. She's just shoving back what Lionel told her up in the loft back in 'Action' as much as anything else. ("You're on the edge of going down a black hole," etc.)

Okay now i really know you're just choosing to ignore fact! thanks for proving me right! ;) :p

paolinki25

02-15-2008, 04:51 PM

Actually, I think that was KK, which surprises me, cause she always uses a double for those kind of scenes.

As for Lex showing Clark, well, Clark got into his head. What was he expecting? Rainbows and butterflies? :lol:

Also, that couldn't be after Wither, since Lana is clearly wearing her engagement ring and wedding band

christina

02-15-2008, 05:15 PM

she had her double in the far away shot, I thought that was all her at first too. which also is why most lexana scenes like that are not appealing to me they usually have two people in place of one. Lucky Rosey I guess, atleast he gets to make out with two women! :lol:

dunlopc

02-15-2008, 05:27 PM

That was supposed to be a sex scene maybe they need to ask Lois for some tips.

superpal1

02-15-2008, 05:35 PM

One more nail in the Clana casket. That half cheek kiss when she was leaving the room before entered the machine, and now Clark seeing that. Too good. Time for Clois.

redraven

02-15-2008, 05:54 PM

Being a Clana fan, this 'Lexana fantasy' scene really pisses me off. The writer's have been writing Clana to be colder, I guess, less passionate all season when it's supposed to be their "real shot". And during Clana's "real shot" they throw in a scene like this? Wth? Can't forget about the equally pointless, but less traumatizing scene in Wrath! :rolleyes:

Lexana is supposed to be DONE and BURIED. So why do the writers keep throwing in ridiculous, pointless scenes like this?! I mean, come on. I was fine with Clana being less affectionate as long as they were together, but honestly, when they write every Lexana scene (when there shouldn't be ANY at all in the first place, considering her hatred for him) 'passionately', it bothers me. :\ I dunno...but from now on, I think I'll just read the recaps over at Sweet instead of watching the episodes. I really don't want to see any more happy surprises like this Lexana scene in my episodes. :(

Oh, and one more thing...to compensate for the traumatizing experience of that scene, I'm sticking with the theory that it was all in Lex's mind, just a fantasy. I could have sworn Lana was wearing her wedding band...not sure. (I would have felt better if it was all just a body double and not KK. Ugh.) :(

/end of rant.

emily feist

02-15-2008, 06:03 PM

I think the scene was to remind Clark that Lana had a very real relationship with Lex. They kind of went right in to Clana this season without too much of a conversation about her ex. I think this was to remind Clark of what was between Lex and Lana and how different she is now because of it. Also to show that she was getting it on regularly with Lex. Something else to make him feel less inclined to use blue K so they can be intimate. I actually kind of liked the scene myself. Clark needs to see people for what they are not for who he wishes they were. Lana is a confused and mixed up woman who was with Lex Luthor of all people. Clark can't save her. He needs to realize that she has to save herself and not because she wants Clark's love. She should want to save herself because she wants to have a better life.

Awesomeperson30

02-15-2008, 07:33 PM

Tell u wat it did 4 me. This is so pathetic but I cried, adn changed the channel. I hate Lexana so much that it kills me to even think of that. And I don't like that Micheal and Kristin were doing that.

Dor el

02-16-2008, 09:27 AM

Regardless of whether that scene, in its entirety, happened during a single romantic encounter between Lex and Lana, I feel certain that all those things did, in fact, occur. Lex and Lana were intimate. Lex and Lana did get married, hence the wedding ring. And I don't doubt that Lana told Lex, at some point, that she would love him forever. She did, after all, really think she was in love with Lex. Whether or not Lex's twisted mind rearranged the sequence of events for Clark's benefit, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did. So, I think, what Clark saw was a series of real memories in Lex's mind. With a bit of tweaking perhaps, Lex was able to cause Clark to jump to the conclusion that he probably arrived at. The one Lex wanted Clark to believe. And it is that conclusion that will further color the way Clark looks at Lana. How could it not?

Or, he might say, "it's my fault you thought you were in love with Clark, and made out with him, and married him, etc". Yeah, another reason for Clark to feel guilty where Lana is concerned.

darkone

02-16-2008, 09:42 AM

And it is that conclusion that will further color the way Clark looks at Lana. How could it not?

Considering how awesome Clark reacted in that final Clex scene I have no doubt that this scene wont even brought up again.I know that Clark is sometimes not the smartest guy but I would believe that he knows that Lana loved Lex at some point and given that she was 'pregnant' I'm sure he has figured that they had sex.But this didnt seem to bother him all that much since he's still pursuing a romantic relationship with her.

jazel

02-16-2008, 10:15 AM

But this didnt seem to bother him all that much since he's still pursuing a romantic relationship with her.

In Siren he sure seemed bother, and that was about Bizarro.
Think TPTB are doing a decent job, of planting doubt in CK's mind.
CK after everything recently, is really looking at her differently.
The end scene of Siren was very telling, he doesn't know where "they" are headed. Where before CK would respond, "I will always love you, Lana ," and wrap her up in a hug. Think those words are getting harder for him (seeing as he hasn't said them to her lately), to say to her, w/ sincerety.

Dor el

02-16-2008, 10:20 AM

Considering how awesome Clark reacted in that final Clex scene I have no doubt that this scene wont even brought up again.I know that Clark is sometimes not the smartest guy but I would believe that he knows that Lana loved Lex at some point and given that she was 'pregnant' I'm sure he has figured that they had sex.But this didn't seem to bother him all that much since he's still pursuing a romantic relationship with her.

But, as they (whoever they is) a picture is worth a thousand words. And that was quite a picture Clark saw! One can imagine the realty of the destruction of an F5 tornado or war, but until you actually witness it, the great and profound magnitude often goes unappreciated. And Lex, clearly the most powerful man alive in Lex's mind, held Clark's face toward the scene. Clark, I noticed, did NOT close his eyes. Remember when Clark first got his x-ray vision, he asked his mom what would she do if she could see everything? Martha responded, "I'd learn to close my eyes." Well, Clark watched Lex and Lana. He took it all in. All the pain the scene invoked. All the guilt. Regret. Disbelief. Helplessness. He must have felt all these things while watching Lex and Lana. Watching Lex and Lana be together in a way he feels he and she can't be. He could not turn away due to Lex's grip on his face. But, he didn't close his eyes either. That, I believe, was a conscious choice. I hope this signifies that Clark is forcing himself to take a good hard honest look at things. One of which is Clana. Let me dream.

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In Siren he sure seemed bother, and that was about Bizarro.
Think TPTB are doing a decent job, of planting doubt in CK's mind.
CK after everything recently, is really looking at her differently.
The end scene of Siren was very telling, he doesn't know where "they" are headed. Where before CK would respond, "I will always love you, Lana ," and wrap her up in a hug. Think those words are getting harder for him (seeing as he hasn't said them to her lately), to say to her, w/ sincerety.

I agree. Even his desperate attempt in Siren to hold on to Lana by proving to her, when he fessed up to his crimes, that he could look at her without judging her the way she accused him of. Realistically, I don't see how he can't see Clana differently.

smallvillelogan

02-16-2008, 01:54 PM

I wonder if this scene was orginally taped in season 6 Wither episode. It would fit perfectly. ;)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1DG0wJQHS0

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that scene in Lex's mind was, at least story-wise, an extension of the scene from 'Wither.'

darkone

02-16-2008, 03:28 PM

In Siren he sure seemed bother, and that was about Bizarro.
Think TPTB are doing a decent job, of planting doubt in CK's mind.
CK after everything recently, is really looking at her differently.
The end scene of Siren was very telling, he doesn't know where "they" are headed. Where before CK would respond, "I will always love you, Lana ," and wrap her up in a hug. Think those words are getting harder for him (seeing as he hasn't said them to her lately), to say to her, w/ sincerety.

Clark is Superman not a guy with a crystal ball.Of course he doesnt know what the future brings.He also said something similar in Mortal before he slept with Lana so it's not like that was something new.

But, as they (whoever they is) a picture is worth a thousand words. And that was quite a picture Clark saw! One can imagine the realty of the destruction of an F5 tornado or war, but until you actually witness it, the great and profound magnitude often goes unappreciated. And Lex, clearly the most powerful man alive in Lex's mind, held Clark's face toward the scene. Clark, I noticed, did NOT close his eyes. Remember when Clark first got his x-ray vision, he asked his mom what would she do if she could see everything? Martha responded, "I'd learn to close my eyes." Well, Clark watched Lex and Lana. He took it all in. All the pain the scene invoked. All the guilt. Regret. Disbelief. Helplessness. He must have felt all these things while watching Lex and Lana. Watching Lex and Lana be together in a way he feels he and she can't be. He could not turn away due to Lex's grip on his face. But, he didn't close his eyes either. That, I believe, was a conscious choice. I hope this signifies that Clark is forcing himself to take a good hard honest look at things. One of which is Clana. Let me dream.

Since we didnt get any Clana follow-up scene and this Clex scene I'd say Clark is pretty much over it about what he saw.Infact if this Lexana scene says anything then that Lana is STILL the center of Clark's and Lex's universe.Lex could have chosed a different way to piss off Clark but he chosed to let him see having sex with Lana.

Dor el

02-16-2008, 05:44 PM

Since we didnt get any Clana follow-up scene and this Clex scene I'd say Clark is pretty much over it about what he saw.Infact if this Lexana scene says anything then that Lana is STILL the center of Clark's and Lex's universe.Lex could have chosed a different way to piss off Clark but he chosed to let him see having sex with Lana.
I so hope you are wrong.

Maybe there was no follow up Clana scene because Clark was staying with dead Chloe. That would certainly take precedence over Clana. Lex does want to hurt Clark, and I believe that his witnessing the Lexana scene was very painful for him, And yes, as much as I hate to admit it, Lana is very important to both Lex and Clark. For Clark, she is his childhood sweetheart and for Lex, Lana is now a weapon against Clark. Since Lex does indeed want to hurt Clark, why wouldn't Lex use Lana to do it? Just because Lex hurled Lexana at Clark, and just because Clark was clearly upset by what he saw, does not necessarily mean Clark will forget about it. He may try to, in fact, I believe he will try to "get over it." I think it will be hard for him to forget that visual. I think it will impact Clana in a negative way. May take a few episodes for the ensuing breakup to come to fruition, but hopefully it will soon happen. "That steel trap" mind of his won't be able to forget it. It will eat away at him.

At least, this is what I hope happens.

darkone

02-17-2008, 04:22 AM

For Clark, she is his childhood sweetheart and for Lex, Lana is now a weapon against Clark.

Actually Lana is the love of Clark's life and a VERY important person in his life.If she'd be just some random chick then Lex couldnt hurt Clark that much now could he?

I think it will impact Clana in a negative way. May take a few episodes for the ensuing breakup to come to fruition, but hopefully it will soon happen. "That steel trap" mind of his won't be able to forget it. It will eat away at him.

Well I disagree with that.Clark already knows that Lana loved Lex at some point (Siren) and given that Lana was pregnant I'm sure that Clark figured that they had sex so I don't see how that could have an impact on their relationship now?

Dustmite

02-17-2008, 04:45 AM

Actually Lana is the love of Clark's life and a VERY important person in his life.If she'd be just some random chick then Lex couldnt hurt Clark that much now could he?

She doesn't think that she is the person he wants to end up with. A claim he didn't deny when in the past he woud have flipped over backwards to reassure her. He doesn't see her as a concrete part of his future, which I find very telling. Most people envisage their future with their partners.

darkone

02-17-2008, 04:55 AM

A claim he didn't deny when in the past he woud have flipped over backwards to reassure her.

Again watch Mortal.

He doesn't see her as a concrete part of his future,]

Clark never said this.Infact he WANTS to make the relationship work.If he doesnt see her in his future why continuing a relationship with her?

Most people envisage their future with their partners.

Oh I think Clark does that and desperately wants his future with Lana but he just learned what this double identity issue did with Lollie.And the fact that both Clark and Lana are still committed to this relationship THAT is very telling IMO.Also if I see Clark giving Lana his unconditional love again which the show has always done since the beginning this doubts will be retconned/wiped away IMO.Remember the show always goes back to Clark and Lana and the love they have for each other.Always.It's the fundament of this show.JMHO

InLove_with_Chloe

02-17-2008, 05:47 AM

If he doesnt see her in his future why continuing a relationship with her?

Well, cause he hopes she'll give him his balls back, one day.

Khyla

02-17-2008, 07:29 AM

Oh I think Clark does that and desperately wants his future with Lana but he just learned what this double identity issue did with Lollie.And the fact that both Clark and Lana are still committed to this relationship THAT is very telling IMO.Also if I see Clark giving Lana his unconditional love again which the show has always done since the beginning this doubts will be retconned/wiped away IMO.Remember the show always goes back to Clark and Lana and the love they have for each other.Always.It's the fundament of this show.JMHO

yes. the writers are telling us that LUST for what one perceives as the perfect physical specimen will always outweigh genuine perfect love. :\

Yasise

02-17-2008, 08:28 AM

Well I disagree with that.Clark already knows that Lana loved Lex at some point (Siren) and given that Lana was pregnant I'm sure that Clark figured that they had sex so I don't see how that could have an impact on their relationship now?

Well, I think, it is only normal, if it would have an impact on their relationship now, because, as someone said before, it is a difference if you hear something happend or assume something than to see it with your own eyes. Those pictures one is never able to forget, believe me. They will popp up in one's mind everytime you are together with that person, you just can't stop it, it's like a reflex.
So even if Clark was able to deal with the fact, that she and Lex had have sex, it doesn't mean, that he is able to bear it over and over again. It's like strawing salt into a not yet healed wound - I mean, he is still not over the Bizzaro-Lana story, is he?
How many strokes is his heart able to stand? He surely is the man of steel, but his heart isn't and I don't think, that he will be able to close his eyes to the facts anymore.

He was not able to close his eyes while seeing that love scene in Lex's mind.It was necessary for him to see that to finally make the inevitable steps in his relationship with Lana. He will not be able anymore, to close his eyes to that either.

InLove_with_Chloe

02-17-2008, 08:30 AM

yes. the writers are telling us that LUST for what one perceives as the perfect physical specimen will always outweigh genuine perfect love. :\

I believe that's what the CW wants, yes.
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darkone

02-17-2008, 09:41 AM

yes. the writers are telling us that LUST for what one perceives as the perfect physical specimen will always outweigh genuine perfect love.
Uhm no they are showing that love conquers all.Hey do you remember that line? :)
I also think there is alot more emotional bonding between them to just call it lust.

So even if Clark was able to deal with the fact, that she and Lex had have sex, it doesn't mean, that he is able to bear it over and over again. It's like strawing salt into a not yet healed wound - I mean, he is still not over the Bizzaro-Lana story, is he?

I think he's pretty much over the Bizarro deal since he made it clear that he doesnt want it to be over between him and Lana.As for Clark for one thing this Lexana scene can never be used as fact IMO it can be fanwanked alot yes but never be used as canon.For me this was completely made up in Lex' mind to hurt Clark and given how self-confident Clark was in that final Clex scene after Lex tried to make him insecure again about Lana I dont think that Clark buyed that 'memory' either.I think he has figured out Lex by now.

How many strokes is his heart able to stand? He surely is the man of steel, but his heart isn't and I don't think, that he will be able to close his eyes to the facts anymore.

Well he saw Lana saying 'I do' to Lex in reality.THAT was hard IMO.A most likely fabricated vision in Lex mind is nothing compared to this.

GuardianAngel

02-17-2008, 09:55 AM

^He didn't buy what Lex said about Lana hanging up on him. As a matter of fact he told Lex: "Do you even know when you are lying anymore?"

Dustmite

02-17-2008, 10:54 AM

Also if I see Clark giving Lana his unconditional love again which the show has always done since the beginning this doubts will be retconned/wiped away IMO

And you will be happy with that, will you? Won't it matter that it won't make any sense for Clark's doubts to suddenly be wiped away? How does it make any sense for the show to have it's integrity chipped away just to service Clana?

In any case I disagree with you. This late in the series they are setting it up to show why the Clana relationship fails and why they are not together in the future.

It's the fundament of this show.

Not for a lot of people. For quite a few, it's the journey of Clark Kent and Lex Luthor and just how and why they end up as they do when they began the series as friends.

Uhm no they are showing that love conquers all.Hey do you remember that line?
I also think there is alot more emotional bonding between them to just call it lust.

Love didn't conquer much in Persona and there can't have been that much enotional bonding between them because Lana couldn't tell that it wasn't Clark she was living and sleeping with.

Dor el

02-17-2008, 01:46 PM

He was not able to close his eyes while seeing that love scene in Lex's mind.It was necessary for him to see that to finally make the inevitable steps in his relationship with Lana. He will not be able anymore, to close his eyes to that either.

Exactly. He will have to relive that visual over and over. Yes, Clark knew that Lex and Lana were intimate. After all, she did believe that she was pregnant. That is not fabrication. All of the elements of that sex scene that Clark witnessed in Lex's mind were true. I don't know if the sequencing was accurate, but I believe that each event in that scene did take place. Clark had to know it too. Even before the whole Lana is dead/Lana is not dead/Lana is back and wanting a relationship with Clark thing, Clark watched them get married and had to know they had been and would be together as husband and wife. But, to actually see it... it was so intense that Clark couldn't close his eyes and when he loosened himself from bad Lex's grip, Clark continued to watch in pain and hurt. The reality of what went on between Lex and Lana, though he knew already, was now horrendously vivid.

Clark will try to make it work with Lana. But as said above, he still hasn't really gotten over Bizana. His desperate attempt in the farmhouse, when he confessed to his crimes, to convince Lana that Clana may not be over didn't convince her any more than it convinced him. He couldn't say, I love you and I want us to always be together. He just flat couldn't say it. And now seeing what is in/on Lex's mind, and seeing Lexana in an intimacy that Clana haven't seen of late, a relationship that they may never be able to consummate, and all of this on top of Bizana, Clark's confidence in Clana has to have taken a huge hit. He will try. After all, Lana is the love of his life...so far. Most people would do their best to hang on to love. The scene Clark witnessed in Lex's mind surely did loosen that grip at least a bit.

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She doesn't think that she is the person he wants to end up with. A claim he didn't deny when in the past he woud have flipped over backwards to reassure her. He doesn't see her as a concrete part of his future, which I find very telling. Most people envisage their future with their partners.

Yep. Both Lana and Clark have doubts about their future. I think this recent assault on their relationship is in addition to the damage done by Bizana. How many whammies can Clana take?

But Darkone is right about Clark and Lana. They have always taken a hit and kept on ticking. Even a Rolex stops eventually.

BadToad

02-17-2008, 01:51 PM

I don't know if this scene is going to have a ripple effect or not. But it is interesting that this scene comes up in an episode just one week after Clark brought up Lana falling for Lex in an arguement. After not showing any anger about that previously. So, its possible that they are using that fight in Siren, and this from Fracture, to bring up that Clark is not nearly as cool with the whole Lexana thing as he's tried to be. That he's surpressed his feelings and resentment about that, but circumstances might have it bubbling up to the surface again?

Or, like I said, it was just pretty pointless. With SV, its probably always best to to look towards the less satisfying answer.

Dor el

02-17-2008, 01:56 PM

Actually Lana is the love of Clark's life and a VERY important person in his life.If she'd be just some random chick then Lex couldnt hurt Clark that much now could he?

I stand corrected. :) I did say that Lana is very important to Clark. Otherwise, Lex wouldn't be able to hurt him with Lexana visuals. But, perhaps I understated their relationship when I referred to Lana has Clark's childhood sweetheart. Even though she was in fact his childhood sweetheart. At least from Clark's perspective. Maybe not so much from Lana's viewpoint since she had other sweeties. Namely Whitney. :)

darkone

02-17-2008, 02:04 PM

This late in the series they are setting it up to show why the Clana relationship fails and why they are not together in the future.

Well of course they are otherwise they would be together by the end.Oh and btw they are also setting up why Chloe play ZERO role in Clark's life later. :)

Not for a lot of people. For quite a few, it's the journey of Clark Kent and Lex Luthor and just how and why they end up as they do when they began the series as friends.

I could care less if it counts for you or others.It matters for the producers and that's really the only thing that matters IMO.

Love didn't conquer much in Persona and there can't have been that much enotional bonding between them because Lana couldn't tell that it wasn't Clark she was living and sleeping with.

Oh but it did they are still in a relationship now are they?And Lana didnt see through Bizarro because she thought Bizarro IS Clark.She also chosed the boyscout over the would-be casanove so I really dont see what you wanna say.

The scene Clark witnessed in Lex's mind surely did loosen that grip at least a bit.

Well if you want to believe that then believe that.Until the show tells me different I'm going what the show told me and that was that Clark walked out of that room without having shown one sign of insecurity whatsoever afterwards.And then we had the Clex scene which pretty much shows that Clark wasnt bothered at all.One would think he'd go to Lana or get pissy at Lex if he was really pissed about the Lexana nonsense but he was not.

Dustmite

02-17-2008, 02:18 PM

Well of course they are otherwise they would be together by the end.Oh and btw they are also setting up why Chloe play ZERO role in Clark's life later. :)

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not sure why you brought Chloe in to the debate as she has nothing to do with what we are discussing. But it is interesting that the role Lana plays in the future has her placing her underwear in the Kent's bed to try and break up their marriage. She's the jealous and scheming ex-lover. I would rather Chloe have no role then to have a role that hurts Clark.

I could care less if it counts for you or others.It matters for the producers and that's really the only thing that matters IMO.

Not as much as it matters to the fans of Clana, I'm betting, who would rather anything happen then for Clana to part as friends. They would rather have Clark tortured and alone then for him to simply fall out of love with her.

darkone

02-17-2008, 02:31 PM

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not sure why you brought Chloe in to the debate as she has nothing to do with what we are discussing. But it is interesting that the role Lana plays in the future has her placing her underwear in the Kent's bed to try and break up their marriage. She's the jealous and scheming ex-lover.

That was one version.In most versions she's Clark's life long confidant and that's what matters.

Not as much as it matters to the fans of Clana, I'm betting, who would rather anything happen then for Clana to part as friends. They would rather have Clark tortured and alone then for him to simply fall out of love with her.]

I don't know what that's supposed to mean.I take it as you didnt found an argument so you just dissed the Clana fanbase which is typical for Chloe fans.It's actually sad really.

Dor el

02-17-2008, 02:35 PM

I don't know if this scene is going to have a ripple effect or not. But it is interesting that this scene comes up in an episode just one week after Clark brought up Lana falling for Lex in an arguement. After not showing any anger about that previously. So, its possible that they are using that fight in Siren, and this from Fracture, to bring up that Clark is not nearly as cool with the whole Lexana thing as he's tried to be. That he's surpressed his feelings and resentment about that, but circumstances might have it bubbling up to the surface again?

This would be my reaction. The wound would fester and fester until it exploded. But, Darkone is probably right about Clark forgetting all about everything. SV writers do have an uncanny knack of writing the inexplicable.

Dustmite

02-17-2008, 02:45 PM

That was one version.In most versions she's Clark's life long confidant and that's what matters.

The most recent version and current canon.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean.

It supposed to mean exactly what I said. I feel that a lot of Clana fans care more about Clana's importance in Smallville then the producers to the degree that it doesn't matter to them what happens to Clark as long as he loves Lana forever.

Nothing else, even Clex is allowed to be more important then Clana.

I take it as you didnt found an argument so you just dissed the Clana fanbase which is typical for Chloe fans.

I wasn't intending to diss anybody, just stating my opinion on what I've read in the forums and how exactly is it typical of Chloe fans?

Several of your posts rip into Chloe and Lois even when they have nothing to do with the topic at hand but simply to defend Lana. You did it earlier in this thread by bringing Chloe into the conversation.

It's actually sad really.

Nope. No need for the pity.

joel_welling93

02-18-2008, 01:19 AM

I think sooner or later Clana fans are gonna have to admit that it wont work out.... But, Clark and Lana have the chemistry to be really good friends...... So, once they break up I really do hope they stay friends and Lana will become one of Clark's closest allies....... Yeah and I really did hate the Lexana sex scene....... Did any1 notice that Lana was wearing her wedding ring during that scene? I thought she was in love wit Clark from the day of her wedding until now? Or was she faking the "I will always love you" crap?

Yasise

02-18-2008, 02:06 AM

Well if you want to believe that then believe that.Until the show tells me different I'm going what the show told me and that was that Clark walked out of that room without having shown one sign of insecurity whatsoever afterwards.And then we had the Clex scene which pretty much shows that Clark wasnt bothered at all.One would think he'd go to Lana or get pissy at Lex if he was really pissed about the Lexana nonsense but he was not.

Clark didn't have the time to show his feelings about what he saw in Lex's mind. He had to hurry to rescue Kara. First problems first. He was focused on Kara and didn't want to loose anymore time. What did you expect him to do? Should he start a fight with Lex, who just woke up?
In Smallville they often talk about their problems later, when everything's over. So I assume, Clark will have a talk about what he witnessed, when not with Lex then surely with Lana. There just was no time for Clark yet.
And, wouldn't it be nonsense to speak about that sex scene with Lex and to show him, how much he was hurt by seeing it? What exactly should Clark accuse him of anyway? Lana was his wife at that time. When there's someone to talk to about this, than this person would be Lana and not Lex.

I'm sure, that Clark will have to face the consequences now, he can't go on, as if nothing has happened at all. There was a distance between him and Lana after Bizzaro and now this distance will grow, if he wants or not.
I don't think, that the scenes in Lex's mind were fake or manipulated by Lex in order to hurt Clark. He didn't have to manipulate them, because there was at least one sex scene with Lana and Lex, wasn't it? And why shouldn't she say "I love you" to Lex? She believed she was loving him at that time, wasn't she?
IMO, those were true memories and Clark did see what he was able to deny till now, because he wanted to be with Lana so badly. And sometimes you just choose to not see the truth in order to get your dream fulfilled.

As I said before, one can make himself ignore the facts when not have seen them with his own eyes - but now that'll be just impossible for Clark. The final Clana breakup is near.

Dor el

02-18-2008, 06:18 AM

Clark didn't have the time to show his feelings about what he saw in Lex's mind. He had to hurry to rescue Kara. First problems first. He was focused on Kara and didn't want to loose anymore time. What did you expect him to do? Should he start a fight with Lex, who just woke up?
In Smallville they often talk about their problems later, when everything's over. So I assume, Clark will have a talk about what he witnessed, when not with Lex then surely with Lana. There just was no time for Clark yet.
And, wouldn't it be nonsense to speak about that sex scene with Lex and to show him, how much he was hurt by seeing it? What exactly should Clark accuse him of anyway? Lana was his wife at that time. When there's someone to talk to about this, than this person would be Lana and not Lex.

I'm sure, that Clark will have to face the consequences now, he can't go on, as if nothing has happened at all. There was a distance between him and Lana after Bizzaro and now this distance will grow, if he wants or not.
I don't think, that the scenes in Lex's mind were fake or manipulated by Lex in order to hurt Clark. He didn't have to manipulate them, because there was at least one sex scene with Lana and Lex, wasn't it? And why shouldn't she say "I love you" to Lex? She believed she was loving him at that time, wasn't she?
IMO, those were true memories and Clark did see what he was able to deny till now, because he wanted to be with Lana so badly. And sometimes you just choose to not see the truth in order to get your dream fulfilled.

As I said before, one can make himself ignore the facts when not have seen them with his own eyes - but now that'll be just impossible for Clark. The final Clana breakup is near.

I like the way you said this, and I agree. I'd like to add the fact, that Lex is not supposed to remember that Clark was in his mind. How can Clark discuss what he saw with Lex? I agree that it should be Lana with whom he has this discussion. Not sure he will have the nerve to bring it up because he is hurt and because she didn't do anything a married woman shouldn't have done. This may be the reason for the pass he gives her about this. I also agree that the distance between Clark and Lana will grow. I also think that Clark will try his best to get past this and may even go through the motions of Clana. Both Clark and Lana will come to the conclusion that too much baggage exists between them to stay a couple.

clana4everfan2

02-18-2008, 09:01 AM

Don't forget that Clark was in Lex's mind.. meaning she may have not actually said those words of loving him forever but Lex wish she had... and this scene may have been a fantasy of Lex's. Lana is totally over Lex and doesn't love him. After all Lex did to her and the lies. If anything she is still full of anger over Lex.

jazel

02-18-2008, 09:10 AM

Clark is Superman not a guy with a crystal ball.Of course he doesnt know what the future brings.He also said something similar in Mortal before he slept with Lana so it's not like that was something new.

Actually SV's Clark, isn't Superman yet.
Nobody needs a crystal ball, to see things aren't what they use to be, where Clana is concerned. You can't really claim the
Lexana marriage, and the month long love feast with the Phantom killer, hasn't changed things between the pair in a negative way.
Mortal was a long time ago, and as I recall, CK thought he was a regular Joe.

Yasise

02-18-2008, 09:30 AM

I like the way you said this, and I agree. I'd like to add the fact, that Lex is not supposed to remember that Clark was in his mind. How can Clark discuss what he saw with Lex? I agree that it should be Lana with whom he has this discussion. Not sure he will have the nerve to bring it up because he is hurt and because she didn't do anything a married woman shouldn't done. Although, this may be the reason for the pass he gives her about this. I also agree that the distance between Clark and Lana will grow. I also think that Clark will try his best to get past this and may even go through the motions of Clana. Both Clark and Lana will come to the conclusion that too much baggage exists between them to stay a couple.

Thank you, Dor el ;o)
I agree with you, too. I didn't think about the point, that Lex will probably not even remember that Clark was in his mind and seeing all those memories - but you're surely right there, too. That would make it even more nonsense, if Clark would talk to him about what he has seen.

And to Clana4everfan2:
Lana made her decision to move into Lex's house and to be with him that night after that costume party in "Wither", didn't she? And she confessed her love for him in "Static", where Lex was "kidnapped" into that other frequency level, didn't she? So I truly doubt, that her "I love you, Lex" was an imagination of Lex. It was simply the truth at that point of time and Lana was believing it, too.

In whatever way....there is definetly too much baggage between Clark and Lana now, it is actually building up like a mountain with every episode since "Wrath" and they will not be able to cross it anymore. This relationship is over.
Maybe he will have feelings for her for all his life (who is ever able to forget his first love? - you will always remember that person, even if you've ended up with another person). He maybe always love her - as a friend.

Dor el

02-18-2008, 09:38 AM

jimmyolsenblues

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christina

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Dor el

02-18-2008, 10:49 AM

but my point is we all don't remember stuff exactly the way it played out.
So I am not convinced that absolutely happened as is.
Or maybe I am just trying to convince myself that lexana never happened.
<sticks fingers in eyes, singing LALALALA, yelling 'make the bad thoughts go away'>

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Dang people are still on this? This was so last week! :p :lol: It's funny how everything becomes an arguement about whether or not it'll affect 'Clana' in a positive or negative way. :( and people wonder why TPTB always go back to Clana? They are all people talk about on every board! whether good or bad they are the hot topic! If anyhting you guys are giving clana the power to stay. JMO

Gotta do sumthin' for the next 3 weeks.:)

Krypton935

02-18-2008, 11:59 AM

that was extremely twisted! and purely evil on lex's part.

Yasise

02-18-2008, 12:21 PM

Dang people are still on this? This was so last week! :p :lol: It's funny how everything becomes an arguement about whether or not it'll affect 'Clana' in a positive or negative way. :( and people wonder why TPTB always go back to Clana? They are all people talk about on every board! whether good or bad they are the hot topic! If anyhting you guys are giving clana the power to stay. JMO

Well, I'd say, "Fracture" was last week's episode, so you're right in that point ;o)

And: Lexana was last season, Clana is, again, this season - so, why are you surprised, that people talk about that?

Maybe you think it's more up-to-date to talk about Clark and Alicia??

Sorry, but I didn't get your point of view.

christina

02-18-2008, 03:29 PM

Well, I'd say, "Fracture" was last week's episode, so you're right in that point ;o)

And: Lexana was last season, Clana is, again, this season - so, why are you surprised, that people talk about that?

Maybe you think it's more up-to-date to talk about Clark and Alicia??

Sorry, but I didn't get your point of view.

umm it was a joke so just chill? ;) and yes I meant fracture. I was only stating that I think poeple set themselves up for dissappiontments when it comes to Clana but that's just my opinion. and the fact that it is talked about 24/7 is exactly why it's here to stay! well atleasst in smallville :\

Yasise

02-18-2008, 04:26 PM

umm it was a joke so just chill? ;) and yes I meant fracture. I was only stating that I think poeple set themselves up for dissappiontments when it comes to Clana but that's just my opinion. and the fact that it is talked about 24/7 is exactly why it's here to stay! well atleasst in smallville :\

I don't have to chill, because I wasn't upset. Didn't you see my ;o) at the end of my first sentence above? I was only teasing you a bit, sorry if you got that wrong.

And I'm not dissapointed because of the whole Clana story. It's confusing me sometimes just a bit, that's all.

Awesomeperson30

02-18-2008, 04:32 PM

I just wanna say when lex said " See Clark she'll always love me", and somebody said they did it after they were married. But I recall in Nemesis she said " If someone lied to me like that, they would lose my love forever." So she no longer loves Lex b/c of the fake baby situation. So She won't always love Lex.

paolinki25

02-18-2008, 06:15 PM

Well, then I guess it was a "screw up" from the writers, because you can clearly see Lana is wearing both her engagement ring and her wedding band in that scene.

CK&CK

02-18-2008, 07:50 PM

The most recent version and current canon.

It supposed to mean exactly what I said. I feel that a lot of Clana fans care more about Clana's importance in Smallville then the producers to the degree that it doesn't matter to them what happens to Clark as long as he loves Lana forever.

Nothing else, even Clex is allowed to be more important then Clana..

All groups have some fans of this selfish level.....to a degree.....but not in the same quantities as Clana. In the categorgy of prefering to destroy the Superman Mythology rather than end their ship....no other following is infested with more of these selfish individuals than is the Clana following. This is quite obvious.......you don't need scientific polling.

I wasn't intending to diss anybody, just stating my opinion on what I've read in the forums and how exactly is it typical of Chloe fans?

Several of your posts rip into Chloe and Lois even when they have nothing to do with the topic at hand but simply to defend Lana. You did it earlier in this thread by bringing Chloe into the conversation.

Nope. No need for the pity.

Don't waste your time Dustmite........I was reading this thread and I began to wonder how long before a certain someone would start....out of the blue....to diss Chloe or Lois......or their fans......LOL......The funny thing is that this "out of the blue" dissing seems to happen more often WHEN the anti-Clana or anti-Lana arguments have pretty firm logic. Now I'm not saying that firm logic means something will absolutely happen.....because Al & Miles don't follow logic where a certain couple is concerned.......but some things are WRITTEN IN STONE.......That being said.....these fans still don't care....they just don't want their ship to end on THIS show and in front of THEIR eyes......sticking head in the "mythology sand" type of philosophy. I mean....it's ESTABLISHED in the Mythos.....and it's quite obvious that Lana is not the Love of Clarks life......but hey, if watching Lana Get in On with Lex doesn't scream...."NOT THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE" to some people......nothing will.......not even if Lex really had gotten Lana pregnant.......Clark ignored it........of course this is where some fan of the pairing will probably rationalize it by saying "it was in the best interest of the supposed child"...........yeah. All I can say is "You the man Lex!"......"show that ignorant and selfish Kryptonian what "The Love of His Life" is all about".

InLove_with_Chloe

02-18-2008, 08:01 PM

All I can say is "You the man Lex!"......"show that ignorant and selfish Kryptonian what "The Love of His Life" is all about".

I think Lana is the love of Al's life, apparently......
:lol:

CK&CK

02-18-2008, 08:07 PM

I think Lana is the love of Al's life, apparently......
:lol:

Al's Kryptonian?..............Man...I knew he was big and dumb......but an Alien to? I guess him and Clark have a lot in common. I bet you Al probably even offered to be Lex's stunt double for that scene.........and probably for free.

(I probably shouldn't keep bad mouthing Al......but I'll be damned if he hasn't earned it)

RedKRules

02-18-2008, 09:54 PM

Super_Kara_2007

02-18-2008, 10:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3_-evBjjm0
I like the end....the rest was funny.:\
I don't think it was Kristin in all the shoot.
When Lana was sitting on top of lex, it wasn't KK.

Correction: Lex tells Clark at the end of the Lexana scene,"You see Clark, She always Loved Me".

christina

02-18-2008, 11:30 PM

yeah of course she does! in his head! :lol: he just needs to admit defeat, he lost!

Super_Kara_2007

02-19-2008, 01:13 AM

Yeah I agree. But you know he never would. He'll continue to be in denial about it like he's been doing since their divorce.

Yasise

02-19-2008, 01:16 AM

Personally, I think everything Clark saw in Lex's mind actually occurred. Yeah, the mountain you mentioned certainly is growing taller. Will be interesting to see how/if the writers resolve this dilemma. Will Clark go to Chloe for a heart to heart chat or will he try to ignore it or will he discuss it with Lana? To do nothing would make no sense.

Yes, I'm curious about that, too. In fact, I like it, that the writers are some kind of making that brake up of Clana a progress. After 6 seasons of them coming together and braking up again and so on, it wouldn't be believable, if they'd finally broke up because of one single issue between them.
There has to be that "growing mountain", we mentioned beforehttp://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif , to get Clark and Lana realise, that their relationship is not going to work in the future.
So, I'd say, let that mountain go on growing, writers!
I hope there's going to be a scene between Clark and Lana in the next episode, where they discuss Clark's recent doubts. I like those scenes very much - Tom and Kristin are really doing a great job!

Soooo, how are we supposed to wait for the next episode???
"Fracture" left so many questions in my head, so it'll be hard to wait - as it always is, of course. And I'm so not patient, I'm afraid I've to work on that http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Dor el

02-19-2008, 09:51 AM

Yasise

02-19-2008, 10:18 AM

To pass the time, I'm rereading The Death and Life of Superman by Roger Stern. I actually like that version of Lana, red headed and reasonable. My life will not be impacted in a big way regardless of what happens on SV. I do, however, enjoy throwing opinions and ideas around with other forum attendees. Sometimes I am concerned that some take these forums way too seriously. Clana, CHlark, CHlois, Chlicia, CHloe, or Lexana, I really don't care (although I like the latter least of the six.).

Having offered that disclaimer, I agree with Yasise, it makes sense for the Clana to dissolve slowing since it was so long growing, and I do hope that Clark talks about his building doubts with Lana in a civil, gentle, and lasting way.

By the way,is Munih close to Munchen, a nice city? Used to live there.

Oh, in fact Munih = München http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif
Should I change that into München in my profile? I thought it is written Munih in english http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif How embarrassing is that?

To answer your question: Yes, München is a very nice city. I was born here, but actually I'm from Turkey http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Dor el

02-19-2008, 10:38 AM

Oh, in fact Munih = München http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif
Should I change that into München in my profile? I thought it is written Munih in english http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif How embarrassing is that?

To answer your question: Yes, München is a very nice city. I was born here, but actually I'm from Turkey http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Munchen is Munich in English. No need for embarrassment.

Yasise

02-19-2008, 01:04 PM

Munchen is Munich in English. No need for embarrassment.

O.k. thanks for the information, I'm still in the english learning processhttp://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif and talking about Smallville is my most favourite way of practising http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif.
So please feel free to correct my mistakes in grammar or vocabulary. I'd really appreciate it http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

CLanaF23

02-19-2008, 09:02 PM

ok thats scene with lex and lana was so gross!
that went way too far that was sick. i changed the channel for a minute.
i felt bad for clark but he knows lex and lana had to have had sex before so.....idk it was just nasty

minerva73

02-19-2008, 09:26 PM

I'm not sure if it's been said earlier (too lazy to go through 3 pages...), but I find it...ironic (not sure if that's the correct word) that Clark would be disgusted by Lana loving Lex or doing any of that to him seeing as how he told her that "you're the one who fell in love with Lex" the episode before. :\

As for that being KK in the scene, I kinda think it is. I mean, she's willing to kiss someone on the lips, but she can't sit on them? I understand that she has strong Christian values which I understand b/c I have them too, but kissing seems slightly more harmful than sitting IMO. :confused: