Clark seeing Lana in bed with Lex/Lex's mental love scene! (merged)

[mobiusklein]

I just think it shows that men are just interchangeable to her and that you can't trust the "I love you" coming out of her mouth. She loves whoever she's with at the moment. I think that's something proven by Bizana and Jana and now Lexana. She moved in with Lex then tried to hit on Clark behind his back, accepted his proposal then got cold feet and was about to write a Dear John letter.

She was happy with getting banged by Bizarro without being able to tell it was him. I don't see this as being really invested in Clark as a person.

[CK&CK]

I just think it shows that men are just interchangeable to her and that you can't trust the "I love you" coming out of her mouth. She loves whoever she's with at the moment. I think that's something proven by Bizana and Jana and now Lexana. She moved in with Lex then tried to hit on Clark behind his back, accepted his proposal then got cold feet and was about to write a Dear John letter.

She was happy with getting banged by Bizarro without being able to tell it was him. I don't see this as being really invested in Clark as a person.

I absolutely agree. What was it she said to her 4th season boy-toy..."I'm with you now....and I've never been happier". Forget Bizzaro...if Clark had a real life twin...and that twin was even remotely nicer, she'd drop Clark and hit on the twin....of that I have no doubt......so long as the writters keep Lana in her usual romantic "musical chairs" mode....which to date, has been pretty constant.

[All about Clark]

Lana's love relates directly to how much attention and effort the man makes for her.

I've always said Lana's love doesn't run very deep, I'm guessing that Clark is figuring this out.

[CK&CK]

Clark figure it out?.........Maybe someday......when that Anvil marked L.Lane comes crashing down and puts a dent in his head. Even then it will take this Clark a bit of time to figure it out....for someone faster than a Locomotive......he really is slow.

[Super_Kara_2007]

I do believe though that Clark is really the only guy that Lana has ever Loved. I mean think about ...Out of all the guys she's dated in the past who is she with right now? Clark. They were always in an on and off relationship that's all. Which was because Clark could never just be honest with her. Lana's tried to move on from Clark but she just can't because she is and always will be in love with Clark. Clark feels the same and is the same exact way.

[mobiusklein]

Mmm, no. He finally told the truth but she's still being skanky with Bizarro and touched tongues with Lex. Clark is her backup sucker and every time he disappoints her, she makes it damn clear she'll get her needs elsewhere.

[CK&CK]

Mmm, no. He finally told the truth but she's still being skanky with Bizarro and touched tongues with Lex. Clark is her backup sucker and every time he disappoints her, she makes it damn clear she'll get her needs elsewhere.

The second something is not to her liking.....this Lana will look at the next stud to walk in through the door.......and pretty soon.....she'll be swapping spit with the unlucky dude.

[mobiusklein]

Also, she still tried to lie to Clark about what she had been doing and hiding her secrets. Frankly, I don't think Clark feels that Lana is purely a victim or blameless or perfect anymore. And I think Lana knows by now that she needs a lot of sex and constant attention to make her happy, neither of which Clark can or will give her.

[Dor el]

Heck, except for Lex, all her other boy toys are either dead or in Bell Reeve. If Clark were not pretty much invulnerable, he might be dead too. Oh... I forgot. He did die when he was with her. Lex, watch out. You're next, death or insane? I think we know how he turns out.

[mobiusklein]

I think we should be glad that Lois, Kara, Chloe and Martha didn't sleep with her.

[clarkbunny]

^
Maybe so but i'm starting to worry about a whole other relationship Lexara....ewww!

I thought that the bit where Lana told Lex she will always love him was more a figment of Lex's imagination than a real memory. Lex wanted to make Clark suffer by seeing him with Lana and to make him think Lana really does love Lex when the reality is she doesn't and she left him for Clark.

[Dannyblue1]

I thought that the bit where Lana told Lex she will always love him was more a figment of Lex's imagination than a real memory. Lex wanted to make Clark suffer by seeing him with Lana and to make him think Lana really does love Lex when the reality is she doesn't and she left him for Clark.

As many have pointed out countless times, Lex has real memories of Lana saying she loves him. He also has real memories of them having sex. So why would he need to make up memories of those things happening? It just wouldn't make sense. It would be like me making up a memory of eating breakfast. Why would I make up a memory of something I've actually done?

I just don't get the denial. Everyone knows Lex and Lana had sex. So why deny a scene showing them having sex. It's like denying the sky is blue.

Also, in the episode before this one, Clark called Lana out on having loved Lex. And Lana didn't deny it. Although I wonder if Lana really knows what love is. According to her, Bizarro made her feel loved. But was it about love, or was it about the fact that Biz gave her all of his attention.

And I don't think it's about whether Lana loves Lex now. But she told him she did, and later acted like she didn't. So Clark's got to wonder just how much it means when she says the same sorts of things to him.

[mobiusklein]

I agree with Dannyblue. They did it in Wither. Lana DID accept Lex's proposal AND was living with him. She has loved other people including Bizarro and did offer up her booty to Jason though he was the one who turned her down. (I think it's outrageous that he followed her across the ocean without having had sex with her but hey, SV writers are on crack!)

I think that's the main thing about Lana. She can run pretty hot and cold and it's not like he hasn't seen her do this with Whitney. She sent the guy a Dear John video then was kind of thrilled to see faux!Whitney come back in uniform until Tina Greer started acting scary. Even though Clark doesn't know it, Lana was living with Chloe then made fun of her behind her back, mocked her idea of keeping the Talon open for her and kept secrets/lies from her while she had the ideal escape route of Paris. She even sucks as a friend. She'll accept the designation of a sister from Chloe but seemed downright blase about Chloe's death during the S4 premiere.

[Yasise]

I do believe though that Clark is really the only guy that Lana has ever Loved. I mean think about ...Out of all the guys she's dated in the past who is she with right now? Clark. They were always in an on and off relationship that's all. Which was because Clark could never just be honest with her. Lana's tried to move on from Clark but she just can't because she is and always will be in love with Clark. Clark feels the same and is the same exact way.

Yes, I agree, it wasn't easy for Lana all the years before. Because of Clark keeping his secret and don't open up to her, she was sad and confused so many times. It was not easy for her, if you forgot, please watch the earlier episodes again. And people do strange things out of frustration.


Heck, except for Lex, all her other boy toys are either dead or in Bell Reeve. If Clark were not pretty much invulnerable, he might be dead too. Oh... I forgot. He did die when he was with her. Lex, watch out. You're next, death or insane? I think we know how he turns out.

:lol: Dor el I've pm'd you.


As many have pointed out countless times, Lex has real memories of Lana saying she loves him. He also has real memories of them having sex. So why would he need to make up memories of those things happening? It just wouldn't make sense. It would be like me making up a memory of eating breakfast. Why would I make up a memory of something I've actually done?

I just don't get the denial. Everyone knows Lex and Lana had sex. So why deny a scene showing them having sex. It's like denying the sky is blue.

Also, in the episode before this one, Clark called Lana out on having loved Lex. And Lana didn't deny it. Although I wonder if Lana really knows what love is. According to her, Bizarro made her feel loved. But was it about love, or was it about the fact that Biz gave her all of his attention.

And I don't think it's about whether Lana loves Lex now. But she told him she did, and later acted like she didn't. So Clark's got to wonder just how much it means when she says the same sorts of things to him.

Yaah, you're sooo right. Some people really are in a denial, inspite of supposedly having watched all those episodes, where Lana and Lex have kissed each other and Lana did confess her love for him etc. etc.
Maybe that's partial amnesia, or something like that???
As I said before, Lana was believing in her love for Lex and in season 6's episode "wither" after that costume party at Lex's she was not like, "No Lex, don't touch me..". Actually SHE came to Lex, didn't she?
Sooo, no need for Lex to create false memories.

[Lazy Boy]

The Lana and Lex sex scene simply shows us how Lex see Lana at the moment. It seems to imply that Lex is still in love with her, remembers their good times together and perhaps harbour his hope that they might reunite one day. I don't think it was meant to be protrayed as Lana not being over Lex.
Sure Lana was in love with him before but then again it's always possible to love more than one person at anytime. So for a while it was a three way love triangle between Clark, Lex and Lana.
I don't think that scene has any implications for the future episodes. All it does is to show us what is Lex's current thoughts on Lana.

[Yasise]

The Lana and Lex sex scene simply shows us how Lex see Lana at the moment. It seems to imply that Lex is still in love with her, remembers their good times together and perhaps harbour his hope that they might reunite one day. I don't think it was meant to be protrayed as Lana not being over Lex.
Sure Lana was in love with him before but then again it's always possible to love more than one person at anytime. So for a while it was a three way love triangle between Clark, Lex and Lana.
I don't think that scene has any implications for the future episodes. All it does is to show us what is Lex's current thoughts on Lana.


Sorry, but memories are always something happend in the past, nothing of the present time. Maybe Lex has still feelings for Lana, but the only reason, why he showed Clark that memory was his intention of hurting him, to open his eyes about what had happened in the past and that Lana confessed his love for him, Lex, also as she now does to Clark.
Lex wants to him to loose his confidence in Lana, he wants to arouse doubts in Clark's mind. And what could destroy a relationship better than doubts? Weren't doubts the reason throughout all the previous episodes of Smallville, why Lana and Clark couldn't be together earlier???
Lana doubtet Clark's honesty and Clark could never be sure, how Lana would react when finding out his secret.

This scene has nothing to do, with Lex's current feelings for Lana, sorry!
And I'm sure that this will influence Clark's thoughts and feelings. Well, normaly it has to, but let's see, how the writers and producers of SV think about that.

[Dor el]

It is odd, however, that only the memories which would hurt Clark were the memories closest to Lex's consciousness . The first ones Clark encountered were the most recent ones, yes? That should tell us something about what is on Lex's mind. He asked Clark whether he thought Lana' hatred for him was stronger than her affection for Clark a few episodes back. Perhaps Lex's need to hurt Clark is stronger than his love for Lana????? Maybe Lex's memories may be more telling than what's apparent at first glance.

[Lazy Boy]

Sorry, but memories are always something happend in the past, nothing of the present time. Maybe Lex has still feelings for Lana, but the only reason, why he showed Clark that memory was his intention of hurting him, to open his eyes about what had happened in the past and that Lana confessed his love for him, Lex, also as she now does to Clark.
Lex wants to him to loose his confidence in Lana, he wants to arouse doubts in Clark's mind. And what could destroy a relationship better than doubts? Weren't doubts the reason throughout all the previous episodes of Smallville, why Lana and Clark couldn't be together earlier???
Lana doubtet Clark's honesty and Clark could never be sure, how Lana would react when finding out his secret.

This scene has nothing to do, with Lex's current feelings for Lana, sorry!
And I'm sure that this will influence Clark's thoughts and feelings. Well, normaly it has to, but let's see, how the writers and producers of SV think about that.

Maybe I did offer a naive interpretation of that scene but after these episodes in season five and six where Clark witness Lana being kissed, impregnanted (well supposely) and married to Lex, I didn't think that the dream scene would have much of an impact on their relationship. I'm prepared to admit that I may be wrong with this but at the moment I think that Lex attempt to warn/show Clark - Lana as a manipulator may just prove futile.
But like you said we'll see where the producers and writers of SV take it - if they do.

[Hopefulsuicide]

just seen it...

definately the most daring scene ever on smallville, as in i found it quite distressing to watch... my god, if someone made me watch a replay of my boyfriend sleeping with men while he was with me i'd die!

[Yasise]

It is odd, however, that only the memories which would hurt Clark were the memories closest to Lex's consciousness . The first ones Clark encountered were the most recent ones, yes? That should tell us something about what is on Lex's mind. He asked Clark whether he thought Lana' hatred for him was stronger than her affection for Clark a few episodes back. Perhaps Lex's need to hurt Clark is stronger than his love for Lana????? Maybe Lex's memories may be more telling than what's apparent at first glance.

yes, you're right, it was odd, but, well that's Smallville! Sometimes the writers seem to be a bit confused, too :rolleyes: or, maybe we will understand it better in the next episodes?

I'm afraid, Lana will not be able to overcome her hate for Lex (how could she?), even Lara mentioned Lana's dark side in "Blue". Hate and Love are both very strong emotions, they're equally powerful. And Lex might be right. As long as Lana hates him so much, they are as much connected as she is or pretends to be with Clark. Lex was actually speaking the truth there.

P.S.: Dor el, did you read my pm?

[ginnyfan]

I doubt very much that it was real because it seemed too perfect to be real, and by "perfect", I mean that it included everything that would annoy Clark in one neat little package. That's why I think that it was made up by Lex knowing that it would bother Clark. However, if I had to take a guess, I would say that this scene never gets mentioned again and is not a big issue as far as Clana was concerned. To be honest here, Clark knows that Lana was in a relationship with Lex, had sex with him and was engaged to him. He also knows that Lana currently hates Lex given everything that he did to her so how a scene like this would change anything is beyond me. The time for Clark to be bothered by Lana being with Lex was at the end of season 5 and first half of season 6. Yet after all of that, he still decided to begin a relationship with her in season 7. JMHO.

Wow this is a really convincing argument. It makes sense since this is the ONLY memory that Clark didn't walk in on himself. It was also very sepia toned and controlled. I'm 90% convinced that this memory was an amalgamation of events constructed by Lex's evil side to torture Clark. Nice catch myankskent. :D

However there's 10% of me that says if you cast doubt on this memory is doubt cast on the other memories? But we saw that when Lex's good side showed Clark the Kara/Lois/Lex memory, it was exactly the same as when we saw it at the beginning of the episode. Ok... 93% convinced. LOL!


Considering how awesome Clark reacted in that final Clex scene I have no doubt that this scene wont even brought up again.I know that Clark is sometimes not the smartest guy but I would believe that he knows that Lana loved Lex at some point and given that she was 'pregnant' I'm sure he has figured that they had sex.But this didnt seem to bother him all that much since he's still pursuing a romantic relationship with her.

I agree. Hopefully Clark is mature enough to realize that this memory doesn't really cast Lana in a poor light. It makes sense that at some point Lana and Lex had steamy hot sex. Lex is very experienced and Lana initiated their sexual relationship in Wither. It was getting pregnant that brought in the angst. It makes sense that at some point Lana thought she'd always love Lex. She was with him from the end of Season 5 until mid Season 6. That's a long time to be with someone and not at least believe that it's love. So even though it was put together in this package designed to hurt Clark, there was no new information given. I don't think this is worse than what Lana said at the end of Season 5: "I don't know how I ever could have loved you." Yeah she was angry but I still have a hard time forgiving Lana for that.


that was extremely twisted! and purely evil on lex's part.

Yes! This whole thread is bashing Lana's character and IMO the person who's character got damaged here is Lex. He took a moment - if this moment truly happened - of intimacy, passion and love with his wife. Such a precious and private moment. Lana's actually saying what he's always wanted her to say (presumably) and cheapens it to hurt Clark. That's what's sick here. So while it may be hard for Clark to shake that visual image... maybe impossible. It doesn't really reflect on Lana's character ANY MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN. We know she's chronically co-dependant. We know she rebounds while she's still in relationships. We know she has abandonment issues. Blah blah blah. Unfortunately we also knew that what RedKClark said in Crimson is true. Lex just used Lana as a trophy and a way to hurt Clark. During the Lexana friendship I believe that Lex fell in love with her. But once she began to reciprocate, Lex's relationship with Lana started to twist into something else, especially in Season 6.

I agree with a comment in this thread that Lana's bouncing around from guy to guy had a lot to do with Clark. It also had a lot to do with her personal life. I think Lana was drawn to Clark from the moment they chatted in the graveyard. BUT because of her dependency and abandonment issues, she couldn't break up with Whitney for someone who wasn't a sure thing. Clark was hiding something, he behaved oddly at times. So even though she could sense that being with Clark would potentially be the love of her life there was insecurity there. I guess you could argue that true love would have taken the chance rather than playing it safe.

I loved that Lana was finally assertive about her dilema in Season 2. She told Clark pretty much straight out that she would never be with him while he wasn't honest. HOWEVER when her heart got broken by Henry Small and Whitney's death she caved. Even though Clark's secrecy STILL WASN'T OK, she broke down crying and decided to be with him anyway. A chat with Helen near the end of the Season and Lana was on the verge of being with Clark WITHOUT nagging him about his secrets BUT then Clark had a RedK meltdown and abandoned Lana.

So it's always been a push and a pull between her love for Clark and the one who makes her feel safe. I think I've read this in another post somewhere. Later Lana was obsessed with the black ship and Clark didn't want to talk about it. However Lex did and let her in on his secret projects, so she thought.

Lana wants intimacy and love despite the wrong she's done. Bizarro gave her that.

She loves Clark but he constantly disappoints her and she needs a supplement.

Clark loves Lana but I think more and more it's becoming desperation and I guess a belief that if he fails with Lana he'll never have a chance at love again. What Lana said about Bizarro was true. Clark has been like a cold fish compared to Bizarro. Clark keeps SAYING he wants to try but actions speak louder than words. At this point Clana continues because of CLARK. Period. Maybe what Bizarro said was true too. Clark continues to stay with her out of some twisted sense of duty. What a turn off. Yeah Lana's got issues. But Clark has chosen Lana again and again fully aware of these issues! As Clark told Lana in Siren, it's not about her anymore. It's about him.

[Yasise]

Wow this is a really convincing argument. It makes sense since this is the ONLY memory that Clark didn't walk in on himself. It was also very sepia toned and controlled. I'm 90% convinced that this memory was an amalgamation of events constructed by Lex's evil side to torture Clark. Nice catch myankskent. :D


Hi ginnyfan, I agree with most of what you've written. But I still don't believe, that this memory was not a real one, even if Clark didn't walk in on it himself. Lex knew, where this memory was to be found and because he wanted Clark to see him and make him suffer, he urged him to go there. That doesn't mean automatically, that that scene never happened between Lana and him. They where married and Lana believed in her love for him - at least at that point of time (sorry, when I'm repeating myself again)

[ginnyfan]

I hear you Yasise. There's still a small part of me that doesn't like to cast doubt on the memories presented. As far as the wedding ring goes Smallville has made glaring continuity errors before.

[All about Clark]

Maybe it was an imaginery day dream. If it was just the engagement ring I would have said it was true, but I watched again and she's got both engagement and wedding on her finger. And once Promise took place, I got the feeling that Lexana never got there again. However, Lana was doing some pretending for awhile, so it was either Lana faking it or a day dream.

Did Lana fake it too well?

[Dannyblue1]

Maybe it was an imaginery day dream. If it was just the engagement ring I would have said it was true, but I watched again and she's got both engagement and wedding on her finger. And once Promise took place, I got the feeling that Lexana never got there again. However, Lana was doing some pretending for awhile, so it was either Lana faking it or a day dream.

Did Lana fake it too well?

But, as I've said before, it makes no sense for that memory to be fake, or a daydream. For one, we were told Clark was being taken into Lex's memories. We saw several memories, all of which were presented as real. So why would this memory be fake? As my new mantra goes, this show don't do subtle. If they wanted us to think the memory was fake, they would've jumped through hoops to make sure we knew it. But I don't think any of the memories, including that one, was meant to be seen as anything but one of Lex's real memories.

So, Lex wants to hurt Clark by showing Lexana sex. Well, Lex has got real memories of that happening. Why make up a fake memory when he can just show a real one?

And what, exactly, would it matter anyway? Why are some people fighting so hard against the idea that the scene was real?

The only reason I can see is that they don't want to believe the memory was real is because they don't want to believe Lexana had sex. Only we know they had sex. Denying the memory was real won't change the fact that they had sex.

Even if the memory was fake (which I don't think it was) Lex and Lana still had sex. So what is the point of denying the memory was real?

[All about Clark]

But by saying Lana was faking it, letting Lex think everything was right with the relationship, when her heart only wanted out of it, doesn't make Lex's memory fake. He may have remembered it correctly, but Lana was just putting on a show.

[Super_Kara_2007]

I agree with that. It's very possible. Lana was playing Lex very well.

[Yasise]

But, as I've said before, it makes no sense for that memory to be fake, or a daydream. For one, we were told Clark was being taken into Lex's memories. We saw several memories, all of which were presented as real. So why would this memory be fake? As my new mantra goes, this show don't do subtle. If they wanted us to think the memory was fake, they would've jumped through hoops to make sure we knew it. But I don't think any of the memories, including that one, was meant to be seen as anything but one of Lex's real memories.

So, Lex wants to hurt Clark by showing Lexana sex. Well, Lex has got real memories of that happening. Why make up a fake memory when he can just show a real one?

And what, exactly, would it matter anyway? Why are some people fighting so hard against the idea that the scene was real?

The only reason I can see is that they don't want to believe the memory was real is because they don't want to believe Lexana had sex. Only we know they had sex. Denying the memory was real won't change the fact that they had sex.

Even if the memory was fake (which I don't think it was) Lex and Lana still had sex. So what is the point of denying the memory was real?

Yes, yes and yes!!! Dannyblue, what can I say? I'm afraid, I'm again repeating myself, when I say, you're sooooo right. I love your writing style!
On the other hand it is amazing, what extraordinary theories were built up, to make this sex scene, which DID HAPPEN between Lex and Lana, an illusion!

Really, I love this discussion :) - it makes me smile and shake my head at the same time ;)

[clarkbunny]

Well I am viewing Lex's mind the same way that the criminal's mind was in the film 'The Cell' i.e., it was Lex's mind so he could create things at will such as the perfect scene of Lana telling him that she loved him. The memories were real but he could also fabricate new things to happen at will just as you would when you are dreaming.

Notice that Clark did not have any of his powers in Lex's mind and Lex was stronger than Clark.

There is no denying that Lana and Lex had sex but only up until before they got married. After that Lana wouldn't let him near her. As someone else said, that scene was too perfect and it was very strange that Lana said 'I will ALWAYS love you' and not just I love you. The fact that she said that seems to point more towards Lex creating the scene to make Clark think that Lana still has feelings for Lex.

[Khyla]

wasn't the technology developed in order to be used for interrogation purposes, to get at the information and secrets that someone's withholding? .....If it showed the interrogator imagined events and fantasies what good would that do? :\

[clarkbunny]

wasn't the technology developed in order to be used for interrogation purposes, to get at the information and secrets that someone's withholding? .....If it showed the interrogator imagined events and fantasies what good would that do? :\

Well I guess the interrogator would just need to find the memories. Lex was obviously creating scenarios in his mind 'cos he was beating his inner child up and trying to kill Clark those things didn't happen in the past they happened in real time as Clark was in Lex's mind. I'm pretty sure Lex could have flown if he'd wanted to :lol:

[Dannyblue1]

Well I guess the interrogator would just need to find the memories. Lex was obviously creating scenarios in his mind 'cos he was beating his inner child up and trying to kill Clark those things didn't happen in the past they happened in real time as Clark was in Lex's mind. I'm pretty sure Lex could have flown if he'd wanted to :lol:

The memories were just that. Memories. That's how they were presented to us, and they are to be taken as such. Nowhere in that episode did anyone ever suggest that what we saw might not be real. If that was even a hint of a possibility, someone would've said it.

The two persona we saw (Alexander and Evil!Lex) were not creations of Lex's mind. They were Lex's mind, the two different sides of Lex battling for control.

Those who even question whether the Lexana sex memory was real or not are indulging in what we call "fanwanking." It's when fans reach their own conclusion based on stuff that never actually happened onscreen. No one onscreen ever even suggested that what we were seeing (including the sex memory) was anything but Lex's real memories. The "maybe Lex made it up" stuff is pure fanwanking, and totally unsubstantiated by anything we saw in the actual episode.

But, like I said before, whether you want to believe the scene was real or not, Lex and Lana had sex. The only reason to deny that the memory was real would be if you didn't want to believe Lex and Lana had ever had sex. But we know, for a fact, that Lex and Lana had sex. Denying that the scene was real won't change that fact.

Let's say the scene was fake. (Although I don't believe for one minute that it was.) Would that change the fact that Lex and Lana had sex? No! We know they had sex. So denying the scene is real is pretty pointless.

And I don't think I've ever used the word "sex" so much in any one thread before. :rotfl:

[clarkbunny]

^^
I don't think the issue is over whether they had sex - we all know that. Nobody is disputing that.

For me the thing that makes it fake is that Lana said "I will ALWAYS love you" the always seems to have been thrown in there to give the impression that Lana still loves Lex now which leads me to believe Lex created that little scenario for Clark's benefit.

People's minds contain more than just their memories they contain their hopes, dreams and desires so it could have been how Lex wished Lana felt about him. We've already seen in previous seasons he has an imaginative mind 'Lexmas' anyone?

[Dannyblue1]

For me the thing that makes it fake is that Lana said "I will ALWAYS love you" the always seems to have been thrown in there to give the impression that Lana still loves Lex now which leads me to believe Lex created that little scenario for Clark's benefit.

See, I don't think the "I will always love you," thing matters so much because Clark is old enough to know this is the kind of stuff people say all the time when they are in a relationship with someone, especially in the heat of the moment. He's also old enough to know that just because someone says something like that doesn't mean it will always be true.

Since Lana was professing her love for Lex all over the place back then (and clearly thought she was in love with Lex at the time), I don't think it's a major stretch to think Lana said something like that during one of their intimate moments.

I think Lex showed Clark a "Lexana moment" for no other reason than to bug him. I think that, when Clark thinks of their relationship, he imagines Lana as the innocent, helpless victim, submissive and dominated. But he saw with his own eyes that Lana was a very active and happy participant in that relationship.


People's minds contain more than just their memories they contain their hopes, dreams and desires so it could have been how Lex wished Lana felt about him. We've already seen in previous seasons he has an imaginative mind 'Lexmas' anyone?

Well, "Lexmas" wasn't a creation of Lex's imagination. The producers have said that "Lexmas" actually happened. That was really Lillian, and she showed Lex the future as it actually would've been if he'd decided to give up the money and power.

Unfortunately, Lillian was the suckiest guardian angel ever, and chose to show Lex a time when his life turned to crap, and he didn't have the money or power to do anything about it.

[Yasise]

The memories were just that. Memories. That's how they were presented to us, and they are to be taken as such. Nowhere in that episode did anyone ever suggest that what we saw might not be real. If that was even a hint of a possibility, someone would've said it.

The two persona we saw (Alexander and Evil!Lex) were not creations of Lex's mind. They were Lex's mind, the two different sides of Lex battling for control.

Those who even question whether the Lexana sex memory was real or not are indulging in what we call "fanwanking." It's when fans reach their own conclusion based on stuff that never actually happened onscreen. No one onscreen ever even suggested that what we were seeing (including the sex memory) was anything but Lex's real memories. The "maybe Lex made it up" stuff is pure fanwanking, and totally unsubstantiated by anything we saw in the actual episode.

But, like I said before, whether you want to believe the scene was real or not, Lex and Lana had sex. The only reason to deny that the memory was real would be if you didn't want to believe Lex and Lana had ever had sex. But we know, for a fact, that Lex and Lana had sex. Denying that the scene was real won't change that fact.

Let's say the scene was fake. (Although I don't believe for one minute that it was.) Would that change the fact that Lex and Lana had sex? No! We know they had sex. So denying the scene is real is pretty pointless.

And I don't think I've ever used the word "sex" so much in any one thread before. :rotfl:

Dannyblue, you're too good to be true :rotfl:


See, I don't think the "I will always love you," thing matters so much because Clark is old enough to know this is the kind of stuff people say all the time when they are in a relationship with someone, especially in the heat of the moment. He's also old enough to know that just because someone says something like that doesn't mean it will always be true.

Since Lana was professing her love for Lex all over the place back then (and clearly thought she was in love with Lex at the time), I don't think it's a major stretch to think Lana said something like that during one of their intimate moments.

I think Lex showed Clark a "Lexana moment" for no other reason than to bug him. I think that, when Clark thinks of their relationship, he imagines Lana as the innocent, helpless victim, submissive and dominated. But he saw with his own eyes that Lana was a very active and happy participant in that relationship.......

Again, you're soooo right :) You're putting wonderfully into words what I'm thinking. Thank you so much!

[clarkbunny]

Well, "Lexmas" wasn't a creation of Lex's imagination. The producers have said that "Lexmas" actually happened. That was really Lillian, and she showed Lex the future as it actually would've been if he'd decided to give up the money and power.

Unfortunately, Lillian was the suckiest guardian angel ever, and chose to show Lex a time when his life turned to crap, and he didn't have the money or power to do anything about it.

LOL! Lillian was the suckiest guardian angel ever ha ha ha ha - you got that right!

Although if Lexmas was real, I really can't imagine there ever coming a time that Clark would be OK with Lex being with Lana.

[Serynarpc]

We all had to suffer through the Lex & Lana sex scene in Fracture . Great way to make your nemesis lose his mind, show him streaming video of you and his girl in bed.

I think I need to scrub my mind to get the eww out. Don't get me wrong, I'm no prude- I just can't get over how twisted that tactic was.

--on the Clark ever being okay with Lex being with Lana-

That Lex is actually much easier to like than the megalomaniac locking people up and doing experiments on people. He was taking care of his family and gave up corruption (and money) to be with the woman he loved. That person is likable- and from the age of their child, they had been together several years. That time would give Clark's heart time to heal- and apparently if Chloe's arm and all the 'we' mentioned could be taken, in that future there was Chlakage.

[Minela]

Speak for yourself, I didn't suffer through Fracture. I am a big Lexana fan and that was just a yummy treat for me. Lexana sex is hot. :D

[Clark Kent Smallville]

What will it take to make Clark see, Lana is evil and they do not belong together, Clark kick her ass out already shes trouble.

[clarkbunny]

We all had to suffer through the Lex & Lana sex scene in Fracture . Great way to make your nemesis lose his mind, show him streaming video of you and his girl in bed.

I think I need to scrub my mind to get the eww out. Don't get me wrong, I'm no prude- I just can't get over how twisted that tactic was.

--on the Clark ever being okay with Lex being with Lana-

That Lex is actually much easier to like than the megalomaniac locking people up and doing experiments on people. He was taking care of his family and gave up corruption (and money) to be with the woman he loved. That person is likable- and from the age of their child, they had been together several years. That time would give Clark's heart time to heal- and apparently if Chloe's arm and all the 'we' mentioned could be taken, in that future there was Chlakage.

I was looking for evidence of Chlark in Lexmas but I don't think they were together. It looked like they were still just friends.

[Honey45]

I thought that was a little .... something .... for Smallville standards.

I don't know. Dirty? Uncomfortable?

I'm not sure what I thought it was. But it was .... weird to watch. I can't explain.

[pizzaguy19]

I'm pretty sure that was a real memory too. Hell, we don't know how much Sex Lexana had when together.

Uh, wasn't it in the show a few seasons ago? I remember a fireside sex scene iirc. Or at least bedside with that lighting. :P

I was fist pumping during this scene. Putting the nails in the coffin, baby!

[Sunny8]

Close your eyes Clark!!!! Close your eyes!!!!:lol: Poor Clark. Lana's betrayal right in his face. She goes to Lex to get back at Clark in season 5 and now he has to see the details with his own eyes. All he needs to see now is Bizarro and Lana having sex.:eek:

[HeartChakraBabe]

I practically laughed. :o

[1april1]

I fast forwarded through most of season 7 because it really sucked. I watched this particular scene yesterday and it took place after the wedding! Lana is wearing her wedding ring. She continued to have sex with Lex after the wedding. I was never a fan of Clana but I didn't care. Now I find their whole relationship disgusting and cheap.

[moviefan2k4]

That whole scene made me want to do a severe spiritual and emotional detox procedure, code red! I mean, it's bad enough that all the sexual garbage was ever on "Smallville" to begin with, but that moment was by far the worst of the series for me in terms of content...then we got "Instinct" which was easily 5 times worse. When will these people realize that illicit sex needs to stay as far away from "Smallville" as possible?! Argh!!!!! :mad:

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

Just one of the many reasons I find myself hating S7...

[biggumt]

I fast forwarded through most of season 7 because it really sucked. I watched this particular scene yesterday and it took place after the wedding! Lana is wearing her wedding ring. She continued to have sex with Lex after the wedding. I was never a fan of Clana but I didn't care. Now I find their whole relationship disgusting and cheap.

no it wasn't. lex told lana that "ever SINCE the wedding I feel like you've been pulling away." in the episode combat. now would lana having sex with lex after the wedding and telling him "i will always love you" be a sign of pulling away? say you're right....why would she refuse to go on the honeymoon if she was willing to have sex with him? don't tell me you bought her "it's not safe for the baby" excuse. it was obvious she wanted out of the relationship after she found out clarks secret and blackmailed into the marriage. lana also refused to be intimate with him in prototype. her feelings totally changed after promise.

[Simba_Muffy]

You know what the worse part is? That no matter what Clark sees or feels or whatever, he's still obsessed with Lana. It's pathetic, imo.


It makes me so angry.

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I think Lana is the love of Al's life, apparently......
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