They need to get rid of "detective" Lana and all her screens, it's silly.

[curiosity]

I don't like "detective" Lana with all those screens it just seems silly. They don't need 2 Chloe's even though Chloe has a power.

I guess they can't give Lana a career sinse that's Lois's Job.

[LKent113]

call me crazy, but that doesnt really bother me. Its just no ones used to Lana being involved in helping Clark solve the stuff going on. I'd rather see her actually helping out then always being the one in trouble all the time. I think Lana, Chloe and clark make a good team, and besides, Lana may have helped out like this sooner and before Chloe, had she known the secret, but still the 3 make a good team anyway

[minerva73]

I agree with LKent113. It's better to see Clark on Lana's side instead of being the one to rescue her in every episode. Wouldn't that be worse? And then we're fed more Clana? I'm taking a guess, but most Clana haters would hate having Lana being saved. She shouldn't be doing ALL the work, but she should be doing some portion. And since she and Lionel are the only people on the good side with information on the Luthors and Lionel wouldn't betray himself, Lana's the best one to do it when it comes to Luthors IMO.

[Valerie]

I haven't liked Lana since the start of season two, with my lowest opinion of her in the first half of season seven. However in this episode I actual started to like her just a little. Mainly because there seemed to be a lack of Clana, and more of a friendship vibe between Clark and Lana in Fracture.

I would like to see a strong confident Lana who can stand on her own without being on some guys arm. It just seemed like she used Lex to get over Clark, and now she's useing Clark to get over Lex and what he did to her. It would be refreshing to see her stand on her own without leaning on her "Man of the hour" all the time.

[berniepooh]

I haven't liked Lana since the start of season two, with my lowest opinion of her in the first half of season seven. However in this episode I actual started to like her just a little. Mainly because there seemed to be a lack of Clana, and more of a friendship vibe between Clark and Lana in Fracture.

I would like to see a strong confident Lana who can stand on her own without being on some guys arm. It just seemed like she used Lex to get over Clark, and now she's useing Clark to get over Lex and what he did to her. It would be refreshing to see her stand on her own without leaning on her "Man of the hour" all the time.

Well stated. I agree completely.

[jazel]

Lana= terribly smart ? sorry, I'm terribly confused.:lol:

[Valerie]

I don't think Lana is dumb. And I think she could even be redeemed into a likeable character, if the writers would stop portraying her as such a needy person, and stop having Clark (and sometimes Lex) obsessing over her.

I think all the spy screens and such give Lana an identity outside of Clark's love interest, and a little touch of independence. She still has a long way to go though.

[ClarksGal]

I expect there to be more of Detective Lana in the future. With Lex buying the DP, it sort of cuts off Chloe's research abilities, since Lex would be watching her every move. Cue Lana's research facility. I think the majority of the research will now be done from there from now on, actually.

[Dannyblue1]

Remember the outrage over Chloe's computer skills? People talking about how unbelievable they were, and how they'd been pulled out of thin air (even though she and her various computers had been attached at the hip since the show began)?

I find it interesting that Lana has developed into a master hacker overnight, and there's nary a peep about it?

[dan_oc714]

.. i dont feel comfortable with Lana talking all that computer, detective stuff.. not that she's dumb...but i just don't buy it..

[BadToad]

It is pretty silly. But the bottom line seems to be that there's not much else to do with Lana. They have to figure out a way to work her into the story some how, and make her relevant. This is what they came up with. I don't think it really works, but what else can they do? For instance, in this episode, you could very easily have omitted the whole part with Lana and her magic screens, and just had Lionel provide the information that he would logically have the access to. But had they done that, there would've been even less of a part for Lana.

I think this show struggles to accomodate all the characters on the series. I think they'd be better off streamlining.

[Tottally ~ Free]

She needs to disapear all together

[MidgardDragon]

I don't like "detective" Lana with all those screens it just seems silly. They don't need 2 Chloe's even though Chloe has a power.

I guess they can't give Lana a career sinse that's Lois's Job.

Yeah, it would make perfect sense for someone with that much dirt on the Luthors to just ditch it all. What great continuity that'd be!

[kate_lang]

Silly is Chloe's power. I love lana detective! Chloe have so many screen time since she became Clark's confident and she still have.. Lana had less screen time than chloe.
I hope to see more lana screen time.

[samanta]

I find it interesting that Lana has developed into a master hacker overnight, and there's nary a peep about it?We got used to Lana's suddenly developed skills and interests. It's always been that way.
I don't mind detective Lana. She's oriented on Lex and it kinda makes sense that she wants to take him down. It's her new computer skills that bothers me most. She has never showed any interest in them as far as I remember. Lana wasn't even able to get through Chloe's password back in Trespass and she looks really uncomfortable when she speaks about technic IMO.

[nickyjean_1]

The thing that's really creepy is that she's not once but twice insuated if not said Chloe's not the only computer wiz.. like she was proud of herself for being able to replace her. She's been giving me the threatened by Chloe vibe strong lately..

[Batman/Superman#1]

call me crazy, but that doesnt really bother me. Its just no ones used to Lana being involved in helping Clark solve the stuff going on. I'd rather see her actually helping out then always being the one in trouble all the time. I think Lana, Chloe and clark make a good team, and besides, Lana may have helped out like this sooner and before Chloe, had she known the secret, but still the 3 make a good team anyway



I agree but on thing getting annoying and distrubing is when Lana isn't playing detective she's having sex with Bizzaro, with Lex in his mind or super-sex with Clark.

[myankskent]

They need to just limit this stuff. Every episode can't turn into Lana handing over information about what Lex is doing. It's only been a couple of episodes so perhaps I am getting way ahead of myself here. I also find it completely ridiculous that Lex has no clue that Lana has information on him.

[darkone]

I think it's pretty cool.I always hoped they'd give Lana something else to do besides her being the love interest and this is a perfect opportunity.But I would like it more if this ISIS plot leads to something bigger than just hacking and stuff.

[paolinki25]

Like I've said before, TPTB are just trying too damn hard to fix the mess they created with Lana's character, and since this character has zero personality, they have to give her traits from other characters (as for example, Chloe now with all the "detective, seeker of the truth" deal)

[cantankerous]

More like TPTB had to find a more credible way to hack into Lex's information with the more high tech multi-million dollar equipment from ISIS. Come on.. Chloe with her wage-slave computer from a newspaper firm that Lex owns isn't gonna be believable anymore (not that it was ever that believable)

[citizenlen]

Common, it's a lot cooler hacking with all those screens and gadgetry than Chloe's Dell PC. :lol:

[Dustmite]

Chloe with her wage-slave computer from a newspaper firm that Lex owns isn't gonna be believable anymore (not that it was ever that believable)


Common, it's a lot cooler hacking with all those screens and gadgetry than Chloe's Dell PC.

The double standards are amazing. What Chloe does and has been doing for years still isn't believable but what Lana developed overnight is credible just because it's Lana.

A lot of people who complained about Chloe's abilities don't seem to be questioning Lana's at all.

[christina]

Like I've said before, TPTB are just trying too damn hard to fix the mess they created with Lana's character, and since this character has zero personality, they have to give her traits from other characters (as for example, Chloe now with all the "detective, seeker of the truth" deal)

What does zero personality mean? It might sound stupid but I seriously don't get when people use that term. Obviously everyone has their own personality so.....

[Jory]

The double standards are amazing. What Chloe does and has been doing for years still isn't believable but what Lana developed overnight is credible just because it's Lana.

A lot of people who complained about Chloe's abilities don't seem to be questioning Lana's at all.


It is funny that people who complained (and still complain) about Chloe's hacking (which she has been doing since season 1) are fine with Lana's magical hacking ability. I mean, Lana couldn't fix a printer in season 1, or hack into Chloe's computer in "Trespass" yet now she can "triangulate" and hack better than Kara and Chloe.

The lengths TPTB will go to to keep KK/Lana on the show is remarkable. I mean they couldn't think of storylines for Pete, but they could make Lana and instant artist, a coffee shop owner at 16, a witch, an astronomy whiz (who found a spaceship the pros couldn't), and now a hacking superspy. Too bad Pete wasn't played by KK, he might been still around (lol), since TPTB have no problem thinking up storylines for Lana.

[citizenlen]

The double standards are amazing.

I think there's more double standards on the character of Lana. If you go back to S6, Lana has been gathering all the dirt about the Luthors, planned her "death" and implicated Lex for it. She's been developing her hacking and investigative skills over time.

I remember the outcry when Lois was being accused of taking over Chloe's job as a reporter and now the same with Lana. Look, Chloe has her healing power and now she has more to think about. I have no problem Lana being more pro-active with helping Clark, but now I think instead of Clark learning to solve things on his own without crutching on Chloe, he now has Lana too. I'm more worried about BDA's development to fend off for himself than Lana's amazing hacking skills?

What Chloe has been doing for years was believable. But if you have 12 screens vs a Dell PC, I think I'll go to the Isis foundation. Besides Lana knows more about the Luthors now than Chloe. Lana probably has a warehouse full of skeletons about the Luthors, she now just need an aggressive journalist to write about it.

[cotton candy girl]

If anyone tries to do anything remotely similar to things Chloe does, some people seem to feel threatened. As if there can only be one top female reporter at the Daily Planet or as if Clark can only go to one person for help while he's trying to save people. :rolleyes:

[Dustmite]

She's been developing her hacking and investigative skills over time.

Chloe's been attached to her laptop since the beginning of the series yet people still found what she did unbelievable.


If anyone tries to do anything remotely similar to things Chloe does, some people seem to feel threatened.

That's not the case. Lana's suddenly a mad hacker and the same people that had a problem with Chloe's skills have no problem with Lana's :\

[redraven]

So once Lana FINALLY gets a decent storyline, ISIS, people are complaining about that, too? Because OMG that's Super!Chloe's territory! :( Nooo! If Lana can get mad hacking skills all of a sudden, it's bad, and needs to stop! But when Lois suddenly becomes investigative journalist, it's okay? Or when Chloe becomes l33t hackzorz111 it's okay too?

I understand that perfectly.

:rolleyes:

[Spaniard]

If Lana can get mad hacking skills all of a sudden, it's bad

Yes, it's bad, but not because it's Lana, it's bad because it's not credible.


But when Lois suddenly becomes investigative journalist, it's okay?

Most people criticised that too. But anyway these two situations are not comparable at all. One thing is to show a sudden interest in something (like Lana showed a lot of times, by the way), and other very different is to develop amazing hacking skills overnight.

[Reuben]

I don't mind it. It is indeed weird but it's only a minor thing.

[redraven]

Yes, it's bad, but not because it's Lana, it's bad because it's not credible.



Chloe hacking into government files is?




Most people criticised that too. But anyway these two situations are not comparable at all. One thing is to show a sudden interest in something (like Lana showed a lot of times, by the way), and other very different is to develop amazing hacking skills overnight.

Okay, so maybe the two situations aren't entirely comparable...but still...I must've missed where Lana's hacking skills were 'amazing'. Did she hack into government files? No...she hacked into Lex's computers/systems, which she probably gained the knowledge of with her spying and when she was with Lex. Credible enough for me, considering this is Smallville.

[LoveLiving]

She didn't develop the computer skills overnight. She was a good student, I'm sure she took some classes besides astronomy (nobody takes only one class as a full time college student), and she had to get very resourceful while married, to spy on Lex. Then she had 10 million dollars to buy the best equipment, and best programs available, ran ISIS (and spied) for months before Clark even found it out, and was HIGHLY motivated. Now, if you have the mental capacity, the resources, and the OBSESSION to drive you, you will acquire the necessary skills pretty fast.

I think she was great, I loved the three of them cooperating, I agree with a previous poster that with Lex owning the DP it would be harder for Chloe to do the sidestuff undetected, and that ISIS is much better equipped. Hope to see a lot of research coming out of there, plus it has a potential for a good storyline.

[Spaniard]

Chloe hacking into government files is?


No, not at all. I always hated Chloe's ultraintelligence, but two wrongs don't make a right. The fact that "Choe does it too" doesn't help me to found credible Lana's hacking skills.


considering this is Smallville.

Yeah, you are right. We probably have seen 25 more incredible things than Lana's hacking skills, but again, I don't like it. I know this is a fiction show where the main character is an alien, but I still expect some realism, at least from the human characters.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

Lana being a detective does bother me. I can't stand it. errr.

[LoveLiving]

Clark, Lana, and Chloe makes three, now they just need to get Lois and Kara on board too, and Clark can have have his own little league of justice fighters! Him and Kara supply the superpowers, the rest of them research, hack, spy, and write exposes to bring down the bad guys! (I am just kidding of course - but did you guys notice how he succeeded to surround himself with four strong-willed women? All that estrogen! (Can you imagine "that time of the month"? :eek:) No wonder he doesn't have time to prowl the streets!)

[Dannyblue1]

She didn't develop the computer skills overnight. She was a good student, I'm sure she took some classes besides astronomy (nobody takes only one class as a full time college student), and she had to get very resourceful while married, to spy on Lex. Then she had 10 million dollars to buy the best equipment, and best programs available, ran ISIS (and spied) for months before Clark even found it out, and was HIGHLY motivated. Now, if you have the mental capacity, the resources, and the OBSESSION to drive you, you will acquire the necessary skills pretty fast.

Amazing. So, because Lana was smart in high school, and angry at Lex, and has a bunch of money, and despite the fact that she couldn't hack a simple password last season, her Magically Appearing Computer Skills totally make sense.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by Lana's Magically Appearing Computer Skills. This is the same gal who became a Kung Fu master in one lesson. Who went from being the worst waitress ever to owner and manager of a wildly successful coffee house (while going to school and riding horses for fun) in two months. Who, suddenly out of nowhere, became an artist so good she won a scholarship in Paris. And so-on-and-so-forth.

But, anyway, anyone who thinks Lana's Magically Appearing Computer Skills are perfectly okay, but can still somehow manage to criticize Chloe's, is kinda digging themselves into a "pot, meet kettle" hole. Because, seriously, if Chloe's computer skills are unbelievable, Lana's are downright ridiculous.

[curiosity]

It is pretty silly. But the bottom line seems to be that there's not much else to do with Lana. They have to figure out a way to work her into the story some how, and make her relevant. This is what they came up with. I don't think it really works, but what else can they do? For instance, in this episode, you could very easily have omitted the whole part with Lana and her magic screens, and just had Lionel provide the information that he would logically have the access to. But had they done that, there would've been even less of a part for Lana.

I think this show struggles to accomodate all the characters on the series. I think they'd be better off streamlining.


Less part for Lana, hmmm let me think.....doesn't bother me that much. Clark, a superpowered Kryptonian, an alien who's growing up but somehow needs to rely on the advice of Lana with a bunch of screens, that bother's me. Clark should be able to find info himself. He could look it up superspeed. Chloe looking it up from the Daily Planet is more believable. That's the way Superman does it eventually anyway. The DP is a world newspaper and the largest in theWORLD. This is why superman works there in his adult life, to get info on criminals, and keep up on what's happening.

It would be more believable if Lana said, "here's my old screens if you need them", and then Clark could look up info while Lana sat there and said, "WOW".

So anyone who thinks this is remotely about Lana or Lana hating, ummm, nope.:o

[LoveLiving]

Amazing. So, because Lana was smart in high school, and angry at Lex, and has a bunch of money, and despite the fact that she couldn't hack a simple password last season, her Magically Appearing Computer Skills totally make sense.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by Lana's Magically Appearing Computer Skills. This is the same gal who became a Kung Fu master in one lesson. Who went from being the worst waitress ever to owner and manager of a wildly successful coffee house (while going to school and riding horses for fun) in two months. Who, suddenly out of nowhere, became an artist so good she won a scholarship in Paris. And so-on-and-so-forth.

But, anyway, anyone who thinks Lana's Magically Appearing Computer Skills are perfectly okay, but can still somehow manage to criticize Chloe's, is kinda digging themselves into a "pot, meet kettle" hole. Because, seriously, if Chloe's computer skills are unbelievable, Lana's are downright ridiculous.

I did not observe Lana to write scripts at the command prompt, or use any other "master hacking" skills. She is using a GUI to manage the data that is captured. Very likely she bought a software and HIRED somebody to setup the hacking into Lex's network.

It is not that difficult to learn how to USE a software. She should be smart enough to learn that and whatever else the developer of the software setup for her. Those are not "magically appearing computer skills", they can be aquired. Especially if you are motivated.

[Dannyblue1]

I did not observe Lana to write scripts at the command prompt, or use any other "master hacking" skills. She is using a GUI to manage the data that is captured. Very likely she bought a software and HIRED somebody to setup the hacking into Lex's network.

It is not that difficult to learn how to USE a software. She should be smart enough to learn that and whatever else the developer of the software setup for her. Those are not "magically appearing computer skills", they can be aquired. Especially if you are motivated.

It wouldn't surprise me is all that you say is true. It would make sense to me. Problem is that's not what they're showing. Instead, they are trying to make it look like Lana's doing it all. The fact that they have her wearing glasses (as a sign of her new uber intelligence) and have her dressing like a librarian (another sign of "intelligence," I guess) kinda goes against your pretty sensible theories, though.

[LexLuv180]

It doesn't bother me too much but it's a bit too convenient for the plot's sake. The only person who doesn't seem to know how to do true detective work and use a computer anymore is Clark

[minerva73]

It doesn't bother me too much but it's a bit too convenient for the plot's sake. The only person who doesn't seem to know how to do true detective work and use a computer anymore is Clark

So true. :lol: The last time that he typed something up was in "Phantom", I think.

[LoveLiving]

It wouldn't surprise me is all that you say is true. It would make sense to me. Problem is that's not what they're showing. Instead, they are trying to make it look like Lana's doing it all. The fact that they have her wearing glasses (as a sign of her new uber intelligence) and have her dressing like a librarian (another sign of "intelligence," I guess) kinda goes against your pretty sensible theories, though.

It's incredible how differently the same thing can be interpreted. I never actually got the whole "sender-message-channel-receiver" stuff from my communication class, until I came online. Every viewer is "decoding" what they see on the show according to their own predisposition (I'm not claiming to be an exception). She's dressing in business attire, as it can be expected from a founder of a serious business/foundation. My own workplace has a dress code similar to that. Plus her clothing is way too stylish and expensive to be a librarian... Regarding the glasses - there was a whole thread on that subject in the previous episode, and one of the theories is that KK needed glasses that day (she wears them in real life from time to time, there are pics on the KK thread page 47, I believe). But of course you could be right.

God, I'm glad I'm not writing for this show - every little thing is analyzed into a million pieces when they have limited time and money to come up with an episode. A little forgiveness, maybe?

[Dannyblue1]

God, I'm glad I'm not writing for this show - every little thing is analyzed into a million pieces when they have limited time and money to come up with an episode. A little forgiveness, maybe?

If this had only happened one time with Lana, maybe. But this is like, what, the fifth or sixth time she's magically developed skills the show never hinted at her having before. It's getting pretty ridiculous. And it just proves, like others have said, that the show has always struggled to find stuff for Lana to do. But she's such a mess of a character that they sometimes just end up making up random crap, whether it makes sense or not. I mean, Lana, an astronomy nut? Since frickin' when?

And I would point things like this out no matter what show it is or who the character is. To this day, I don't buy Willow (from BtVS) becoming an uber witch. And not just any uber witch, but the most powerfullest witch in the whole world. Which is just fan-freakin-tastic.

[paolinki25]

What I mean by zero personality (perhaps I should have word that out differently. It's been a long day. lol) is that Lana is a very screwed up character. She's never had a define or clear role on the show (unless you count "being Clark's love interest"), and now it seems they want to add her traits from other character to try to make her fit into the storyline somehow.

[myankskent]

If this had only happened one time with Lana, maybe. But this is like, what, the fifth or sixth time she's magically developed skills the show never hinted at her having before. It's getting pretty ridiculous. And it just proves, like others have said, that the show has always struggled to find stuff for Lana to do. But she's such a mess of a character that they sometimes just end up making up random crap, whether it makes sense or not. I mean, Lana, an astronomy nut? Since frickin' when?


To be honest, I think that this show struggles to find stuff for all of the characters to do which is why there is lousy character development across the board on this show. I think that this thing with Lana is outrageous, but at least it stems from Lana living with Lex. It didn't just come out of nowhere, IMO. Lana basically took some information that she had while living with Lex to a whole new level, a ridiculous level I know. I just hope that it's not something that continues to be done every single episode. The last thing that I want to see is Clark get information all of the time from someone else on this show in addition to Chloe. Getting information from Chloe bothers me as it is given how often is occurs.

As for Chloe, since I know that you brought her up earlier, the thing that bothers me when it comes to her hacking is that she hacks into everything. She doesn't just hack into one database. It's LuthorCorp, hospitals, police stations, the federal government...etc, plus, she hacks with a little laptop computer. That's ridiculous, IMO.

[LoveLiving]

If this had only happened one time with Lana, maybe. But this is like, what, the fifth or sixth time she's magically developed skills the show never hinted at her having before. It's getting pretty ridiculous. And it just proves, like others have said, that the show has always struggled to find stuff for Lana to do. But she's such a mess of a character that they sometimes just end up making up random crap, whether it makes sense or not. I mean, Lana, an astronomy nut? Since frickin' when?

And I would point things like this out no matter what show it is or who the character is. To this day, I don't buy Willow (from BtVS) becoming an uber witch. And not just any uber witch, but the most powerfullest witch in the whole world. Which is just fan-freakin-tastic.

Lana, an astronomy nut? Since frickin' when? - Since she saw a space ship crash and two aliens with superhuman powers wreck havoc on Smallville. I swear, this would make me into a very devoted fan of astronomy trying to figure out where they came from.

[curiosity]

I did not observe Lana to write scripts at the command prompt, or use any other "master hacking" skills. She is using a GUI to manage the data that is captured. Very likely she bought a software and HIRED somebody to setup the hacking into Lex's network.

It is not that difficult to learn how to USE a software. She should be smart enough to learn that and whatever else the developer of the software setup for her. Those are not "magically appearing computer skills", they can be aquired. Especially if you are motivated.


Exactly, so why does Clark need to be fed info from Lana, when he could learn how to use it himself superspeed? It's not hard to learn, why does he need Lana to give him info? Didn't Kara become super hacker instantly? Clark's the only one who can't.

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God, I'm glad I'm not writing for this show - every little thing is analyzed into a million pieces when they have limited time and money to come up with an episode. A little forgiveness, maybe?

We love the show, and some of us are huge Superman fans, or we wouldn't waste our time analyzing it. That's what forum boards are for. :)

It's a pretty simple observation, that Clark looks silly as an alien from an advanced civilization, needing info from Lana and her screen room, especially when we've already determined with Kara, that Kryptonians are instant super hackers. Maybe they're trying to make it like the Justice League. Didn't the old cartoons have a room like that in the Justice League? But if they did, Lana wasn't part of it.

Couldn't she just go to the local Smallville college or something?

[Dannyblue1]

As for Chloe, since I know that you brought her up earlier, the thing that bothers me when it comes to her hacking is that she hacks into everything. She doesn't just hack into one database. It's LuthorCorp, hospitals, police stations, the federal government...etc, plus, she hacks with a little laptop computer. That's ridiculous, IMO.

Whether it is completely plausible or not, it's a long-established part of her character.

I'll use Willow again as an example. Willow, on BtVs, started out good with computers. Over the years, she became adept at hacking into just about anything you can name. Implausible? Perhaps. But it was built into her character. And on a show with vampires, demons and Hellmouths, I'll let a little improbability slide if an honest effort it made to make it believable.

It's the same with Chloe. She's always been good with computers, and her abilities have grown over time. Her skills might be slightly improbable but, in the world of the show, they developed in a credible way. And on a show with aliens and meteor mutants running around, a little improbability is acceptable.

But Lana's skills develop out of the blue. There's no real development. (And, no, seeing a spaceship crash doesn't suddenly give you the knowledge you need to grok astronomy.) These traits are just suddenly...there.

And I've yet to see anyone logically explain how Chloe's ability with computers were somehow so inexcusable and unbelievable, but Lana's sudden computer know-how is somehow fine and dandy. Really, someone break that one down for me. So far, all I've gotten is it's Lana, and she's smart, and...That's pretty much it.

[LoveLiving]

Exactly, so why does Clark need to be fed info from Lana, when he could learn how to use it himself superspeed? It's not hard to learn, why does he need Lana to give him info? Didn't Kara become super hacker instantly? Clark's the only one who can't, and to have to stand behind Lana, weird. This makes him like dumb.

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We love the show, and some of us are huge Superman fans, or we wouldn't waste our time analyzing it. That's what forum boards are for. :)

It's a pretty simple observation, that Clark looks silly as an alien from an advanced civilization, needing info from Lana and her screen room, especially when we've already determined with Kara, that Kryptonians are instant super hackers. Maybe they're trying to make it like the Justice League. Didn't the old cartoons have a room like that in the Justice League?

"This makes him like dumb." Which is why we lovingly call him Big Dumb Alien... (I'm a total fan, don't get me wrong.) Kara grew up and went to school on Krypton, where she was obviously taught much more advanced technology. Clark went to Smallville High. He would know all that stuff, if he did his training already. But he's not there yet, wants his normal life too much - and probably simply just loves his women and to rely on them.;) I bet if all four of them were locked up somewhere and he would need to save them, he would magically and immediately develop excellent research/hacking/analyzing skills, and free them in no time. Now that would be a good episode!

And of course, like some other posters said already, you need something for the other characters to do. Poor TW can't shoot the entire 45 minutes alone! I personally really enjoy all the sidekick stuff - obviously they can't help him physically, they have to help him this way.

[Cogito17]

I'm not saying Lana's computer skills aren't a little silly, but they aren't any more silly than the computer skills of anyone else on the show.

Kara has been on earth for a couple of days and she is able to operate in our culture, and masters computer hacking with little to no indication she has been attempting to learn how to do so.

Chloe's use of computers is slightly more believable in the fact that she uses computers throughout the show. But the fact that just about any time we need a piece of information, Chloe can magically produce it from her computer, repeatedly hacking illegally and never getting caught, as well as the ease with which she hacks to find basically anything, is silly.

Honestly, I wish the show would do away with the heavy use of computers because it generally just turns into a crutch for the characters to solve any and every problem. So, yes Lana's use of computers is somewhat silly, but so is everyone else's.

[LoveLiving]

....And I've yet to see anyone logically explain how Chloe's ability with computers were somehow so inexcusable and unbelievable, but Lana's sudden computer know-how is somehow fine and dandy. Really, someone break that one down for me. So far, all I've gotten is it's Lana, and she's smart, and...That's pretty much it.

My last reply, I promise, but I did call Lana smart, so I kind of feel addressed. - I never called Chloe's ability unbelievable, and I would come up with similar explanations for her as I did for Lana. And - "smart" in real life will get you far, computers are not magical creatures. It is possible to learn to use, program, and hack them. It takes different time for different people.

And the "nut" as in astronomy nut, can be interpreted as it applies to people with an keen interest in the subject (which she had). You didn't say an "Astronomy whiz/prodigy/genius".

[PepsiMax]

Yep.

To be honest those screens and 'detective' Lana are scary. Get rid of both - or just Lana. ;):D

[Tobywolf13]

I'm just tired of the Lanapedia stuff. I know people got tired of Clark running to Chloe over the years. I remember back in season 1 (obscura) when he showed signs of being able to do his own damn detective work. However, truth seeker and hacker has been Chloe's role from the get go. It's who she is and these are the skills she's been honing for seven years. She's as credible as Sam Winchester on Supernatural, Willow on Buffy, or Mac on Veronica Mars. Should any of these young adults be able to pull what they do with just a laptop. Hell no, but they do in teh context of the show.

Lana never showed an interest in computers. We never saw her learn thing one about them. In season 1, she couldn't unjam a printer. In season 6, she tried to hack into Chloe's computer and couldn't bypass a simple password protection. Now, because she has ten million dollars and set up her own lab, I'm supposed to believe she can find hidden feeds and triangulate bad guy's positions?

It's ridiculous and it smacks of being desperate to fix Lanapedia into the plot however they can. This week, LIONEL only had to mention his own top secret project and they'd have been ready. Going to Lanapedia was extraneous and only done to give KK lines.

It is such a double standard to be upset that Chloe has hacker skills and say that Lana's are logical because she has some money and slept with Lex. That didn't make Helen Bryce a super hacker, did it?

As for Kara...I'll let that one slide. She's from Krypton. All our technology is ancient. It's like one of us with an abacus or something. Of course, she'd figure her way around it.

However, I am sick of Lana acquiring skills. This is bad but I can possibly fanwank she's hired underlings to do her hacking for her. However, when she magically found the trajectory for Clark's ship in season 5 after one semester of intro astronomy and no other scientist on Earth ever found it?

I laughed my ass off.

Her magical talents are endless.

[berniepooh]

Here's an idea. Why don't they give Lana the desire to return to school and get a degree in micro-biology or quantum physics. She could take some classes 'on-line' - as many students do today, while traveling to Metropolis University for the laboratory sessions associated with the classes and what she learns could lead to realizations or revelations about pertinent scientific elements in a storyline.

Whaa La. Lana is her own person, using her brain for something other than how to make herself look desirable to any male that walks into the room, and it could help project the action of the story forward.

WHAT A CONCEPT!!! But then....Al and Miles would need to give up their own personal obsession with KK. Never mind,...it'll never happen.

[wolverine316]

The writers totally destroyed her character and now they are trying to make up for it. Not believable.

[Cogito17]

Even if you buy into the whole "Kara is from Krypton so our technology is easy to use" theory (Which, I personally do not), the emergence of her computer skills is just as random/out of left field as Lana's. It's not foreshadowed, its just suddenly there.

Also, Chloe hacks absolutely ridiculous amounts with ridiculous ease (not to mention illegally). And, as a journalism student myself, I can tell you that computer hacking 101, is not an offered course. So Chloe's computer skills aren't explained, they are just accepted as there from the start.

Lana's skills are ridiculous, but the whole use of computers on the show is ridiculous and generally is used as a far too convenient tool to advance the stories.

As for berniepooh's idea, in that case, you would just have people complaining about how Lana became too good too fast at science. (Although, people don't complain about Lois becoming an ace reporter very quickly)

[darkone]

As for berniepooh's idea, in that case, you would just have people complaining about how Lana became too good too fast at science. (Although, people don't complain about Lois becoming an ace reporter very quickly)

Agreed.Or suddenly becoming a meteor freak or a manager for JK's campaign.I don't see why Lana has to be excluded when something cool is up for her when other characters had sudden skills aswell.

[samanta]

Agreed.Or suddenly becoming a meteor freak or a manager for JK's campaign.I don't see why Lana has to be excluded when something cool is up for her when other characters had sudden skills aswell.
Actually, people complained about all of these things and still do. It's not only about Lana but about all the suddenly gained new skills and interests.
They just don't know what to do with Chloe, Lana and Lois anymore IMO.

[jazel]

They need to just limit this stuff. Every episode can't turn into Lana handing over information about what Lex is doing. It's only been a couple of episodes so perhaps I am getting way ahead of myself here. I also find it completely ridiculous that Lex has no clue that Lana has information on him.

completely agree :)
also find it hard to believe, everything Lex is into, can be accessed so easily by Lana and Chloe.

[Charissa70]

I just have a problem that all of a sudden, Lana is smart. How did she get all of this computer knowledge? How would she set up cameras all over Lex's house and it is not detected. Someone with his money, and not to mention all the illegal, questionable stuff he does, he would have debuggers come in once in a while. They don't explain how she had the electronic knowledge to get the cameras up (or if someone else did it, why they were not noticed I don't know, it's like it's not really her. Is she a clone or did Lex supposedly dd something to her personality.

[Dannyblue1]

Also, Chloe hacks absolutely ridiculous amounts with ridiculous ease (not to mention illegally). And, as a journalism student myself, I can tell you that computer hacking 101, is not an offered course. So Chloe's computer skills aren't explained, they are just accepted as there from the start.

In a way, Chloe's computer skills are explained. She's been tied to a computer, in one way or another, for seven years. We've known, from the beginning, that she has an interest in them, and likes to use them to get info. And we've seen her skills develop over time. She could do things in season 5 that she couldn't do in season 1. She can do things in season 7 that she couldn't in season 2. Whether you believe her skills are probable or not (and, as someone else pointed out, a lot of shows have characters who can do more with computers than they probably should be able to), they were built into her character, and have progressed over the seasons.

Lana's magically acquired computer skills have been dropped into the story out of the blue. For 6 seasons, she's shown neither an interest in, nor an affinity for, computers. Yet now, all of the sudden and out of the blue, she's a computer whiz. And I'm supposed to find that more believable somehow.

I can understand some people finding both Chloe's and Lana's computer skills unbelievable. (Although, like I said, at least Chloe's were established.) What I can't grasp is how the very same people who once complained high and low about Chloe's computer skills (and some still are), have absolutely no problem with Lana's.

[LoveLiving]

I just have a problem that all of a sudden, Lana is smart. How did she get all of this computer knowledge? How would she set up cameras all over Lex's house and it is not detected. Someone with his money, and not to mention all the illegal, questionable stuff he does, he would have debuggers come in once in a while. They don't explain how she had the electronic knowledge to get the cameras up (or if someone else did it, why they were not noticed I don't know, it's like it's not really her. Is she a clone or did Lex supposedly dd something to her personality.


How would she set up cameras all over Lex's house and it is not detected. - Lex set up the cameras himself as security, we've seen this in several episodes. All you need to do is tap into the feed. Lana had money to hire the best and in epi S7 Cure she's typing on her laptop while in the loft:
Other person: Hope Metropolis location met your approval.
Lana: Perfect. Money being wired.
Clark enters and she closes laptop, obviously trying to hide it from Clark. That was likely about setting up ISIS with all of its illegal gadgets.

[samanta]

[I] Lana had money to hire the best and in epi S7 Cure she's typing on her laptop while in the loft:
Other person: Hope Metropolis location met your approval.
Lana: Perfect. Money being wired.
Clark enters and she closes laptop, obviously trying to hide it from Clark. That was likely about setting up ISIS with all of its illegal gadgets.

She has only 10 millions if I'm not mistaken. It's not that much. The idea of ISIS being paid only with this amount of money is ridiculous. Geting people to go against Luthor would cost more than what she has IMO.

[IloveClark]

Lana is not Chloe so the writers need to stop it.

[LoveLiving]

She has only 10 millions if I'm not mistaken. It's not that much. The idea of ISIS being paid only with this amount of money is ridiculous. Geting people to go against Luthor would cost more than what she has IMO.

You mean you are not getting those "Help the Meteor Infected" address labels in the mail asking for donations???? :) In real life a foundation like that would look for supporters and hire an ace fundraiser to gather more money. IMO - She had enough to pay for the setup and to keep the foundation going for awhile.

[darkone]

I just have a problem that all of a sudden, Lana is smart.

Well Lana succesfully played both Luthors and is still alive.She has also outmanouvered Lionel in Siren.That's quite smart to me.

[Dannyblue1]

Well Lana succesfully played both Luthors and is still alive.She has also outmanouvered Lionel in Siren.That's quite smart to me.

Unfortunately, I never bought the that Lana was suddenly able to hold her own against the Luthor's, either. It's another case of the writers trying to give Lana traits she didn't formerly have. And, in order to make it look like Lana was actually able to go toe-to-toe with them, they had to dumb the Luthor's down.

I'm sorry but, if the Luthor's had been operating at full power (and not dumbed down in service of the "make Lana look smart" effort) they woulda squashed her like a brick squashes a bug on the sidewalk.

[IloveClark]

Talk about there's no way she could go against the Luthors and live.

[tejdog1]

Lana is too stupid to know all this stuff. It's just AlMiles fanwanking to her poster again.

[Timester]

Even with Lana's recently adquired hacking skills (which is extremely silly because it came out of the blue), it's simply stupid that she has a permanent backdoor to the LuthorCorp, make them like having the worst network security ever. Computer power has nothing to do with that.

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Well Lana succesfully played both Luthors and is still alive.She has also outmanouvered Lionel in Siren.That's quite smart to me.

She isn't outmanuvering the Luthors, she is outmanuvering a multi-billion coorporation network security. Something that not even Chloe, with her little super-computer, did all this time. Heck, it's more realistic Chloe hacking LuthorCorp from her computer than Lana from ISIS Computer, because hacking has nothing to do with the rig, but the skills.

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As for Chloe, since I know that you brought her up earlier, the thing that bothers me when it comes to her hacking is that she hacks into everything. She doesn't just hack into one database. It's LuthorCorp, hospitals, police stations, the federal government...etc, plus, she hacks with a little laptop computer. That's ridiculous, IMO.

But what Chloe does is more realistic that what Lana does. It is possible to hack even from a phone booth if you know what are you doing. Yes, some of the things that Chloe hacked was impossible (Homeland Security, AlMiles?...), but Lana, that didn't even knew how to replace a printer tuner, suddenly has a permanent backdoor to the LuthorCorp. I know that Luthors' security sucks, but I wasn't expecting that to be translated to the networking system of the LuthorCorp. Compared to it, my PC is the Fort Knox.

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Exactly, so why does Clark need to be fed info from Lana, when he could learn how to use it himself superspeed? It's not hard to learn, why does he need Lana to give him info? Didn't Kara become super hacker instantly? Clark's the only one who can't.

Kara is from a far more advanced technological society. I would only expect that she would be a super-hacker.

[CK&CK]

Unfortunately, I never bought the that Lana was suddenly able to hold her own against the Luthor's, either. It's another case of the writers trying to give Lana traits she didn't formerly have. And, in order to make it look like Lana was actually able to go toe-to-toe with them, they had to dumb the Luthor's down.

I'm sorry but, if the Luthor's had been operating at full power (and not dumbed down in service of the "make Lana look smart" effort) they woulda squashed her like a brick squashes a bug on the sidewalk.

I COMPLETELY AGREE.......Lex was stupidified for Lana's sake since Season 5......but the fact that the Magnificient B has been dumbed down to make Lana look more savy is beyond stupid......it's actually INSULTING........there's suspending belief, and then there's ridiculous. The writters of this show seem to want to indulge in the ABSURD. Only a die hard lover of Lana would consider Lana Lang being "Believable" as a Luthor's Intellectual Equal.

* I remember Chole haven gotten a self voiced confession from Lionel that he murdered his own parrents, and when Chloe threatened Lionel with it......The MAGNIFICIENT B DIDN'T EVEN FLINCH! Of course, the writting was much better back then.

I also think Timester makes a lot of very "Logical" observations about what is going on with Miss Perfect Cheerleader/Waitress/Art student/Astronomy expert (so expert she caught something Nasa couldn't),Luthor power player, Luthors money made rich ex-fiance (she didn't earn anything of her own merit), turned Super Hacker out of nowhere....to Luthor money-ed Founder of the ISIS foundation (I gotta laugh every time I read about this....just sounds like a New "Talon" type vehicle for Miss Lang...A "Talon"...which just like Isis...was only possible because of Luthor Money).....not to mention her Super Meteor Power of having everything that is Male....and I mean everything.......FALL IN LOVE with her. "Ridiculous" is quite frankly an understatement.

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Well Lana succesfully played both Luthors and is still alive.She has also outmanouvered Lionel in Siren.That's quite smart to me.

But or course it is. Having read a lot of your posts over the past year or two, I could have told you that before the writters even had Miss "Get Smart" unveil her talents. Yeah, I think most of us here could have seen your unconditinal "approval" coming.

[Jade4813]

Lana's magically acquired computer skills have been dropped into the story out of the blue. For 6 seasons, she's shown neither an interest in, nor an affinity for, computers. Yet now, all of the sudden and out of the blue, she's a computer whiz. And I'm supposed to find that more believable somehow.

:rotfl:Sorry. Just can't help but wonder how many Lana interests/abilities HAVEN'T dropped into the show (or out of the show) out of the blue. Business owner of a coffee shop when she couldn't even make a cup of coffee and wait a table a half season before. Art student. Astronomer.

Hmmm.... Maybe we should address this alphabetically. ;)

[citizenlen]

Let's just say- yeah sure, Lana's hacking skill is not believable, but is Chloe having powers any believable when for 6 years there was no indication that she could be meteor-infected?

How about Kara, all of a sudden knew how to adjust to earth's culture within days? Lionel, all of a sudden he's on the good guy's side when for 5-6 seasons he's done nothing but test on people, spy on them, not to mention was the instigator of Jonathan's death.

I stopped analyzing many of the things in Smallville, it's more fun that way. ;)

[jazel]

Business owner of a coffee shop when she couldn't even make a cup of coffee and wait a table a half season before. Art student. Astronomer.

Hmmm.... Maybe we should address this alphabetically. ;)

are teenagers, even legally "allowed" to own/run a business ?:lol:
wasn't she in Paris, for fashion reasons ? :rolleyes:
was Astronomy, what she was studing at Met U.....thought it was UFO's.;)

[Dannyblue1]

Let's just say- yeah sure, Lana's hacking skill is not believable, but is Chloe having powers any believable when for 6 years there was no indication that she could be meteor-infected?

That's plausible because there have been no hard-and-fast rules about how meteor infection works. We've seen meteor infection work in different ways with different people. So the possibility that someone was infected without knowing, and their abilities lying dormant, is actually very believable.

Think of it as a virus. A person can be infected with a virus, and not know it until years later when they start experiencing symptoms.


How about Kara, all of a sudden knew how to adjust to earth's culture within days? Lionel, all of a sudden he's on the good guy's side when for 5-6 seasons he's done nothing but test on people, spy on them, not to mention was the instigator of Jonathan's death.

And I agree with you whole-heartedly on both of these. Still doesn't change the fact that Lana's miraculous computer skills came out of the blue and with no development to speak of.

[kasealaine]

Clark: Lana. You have to stop spying on Lex.
Lana: Ok... (stares at screens). I'm just going to keep these screens here in this secret room... to watch Bridget Jone's Diary.
Clark: Sounds good.

*Two months later*
Clark: I wish I knew what Lex was up to.
Lana: Let me hack into his system.
Clark: *forgets everything he said about spying on Lex* Ok.
Lana: I'm so glad I have ten plasma screens on my walls so that I can look anywhere I want and still read my computer screen.

[smallvillerocks45]

It is funny that people who complained (and still complain) about Chloe's hacking (which she has been doing since season 1) are fine with Lana's magical hacking ability. I mean, Lana couldn't fix a printer in season 1, or hack into Chloe's computer in "Trespass" yet now she can "triangulate" and hack better than Kara and Chloe.

The lengths TPTB will go to to keep KK/Lana on the show is remarkable. I mean they couldn't think of storylines for Pete, but they could make Lana and instant artist, a coffee shop owner at 16, a witch, an astronomy whiz (who found a spaceship the pros couldn't), and now a hacking superspy. Too bad Pete wasn't played by KK, he might been still around (lol), since TPTB have no problem thinking up storylines for Lana.

You know, it's a total digression, but I swear that was something that always irked me! How come they could come up with new "exciting" storylines for the other regulars and even new characters, but they were at a loss when it came to Pete!

Now, as for Lana's recently acquired computer skills...I haven't the slightest idea of how she has learned so much about hacking into systems. My best guess is that she paid someone to hook up the system and all she does is press the buttons. Ctrl+O, opens the files, and ctrl-s saves it.
LoL, who knows. The issue though, isn't that she can do it, it's just when did she have the time to learn? Was she really in China for that long?

[Aldo]

Are you guys concern about what "hack" means? I havent seen Lana "hacking" anything :S She only gave information about a proyect developed for LuthorCorp which I think she has acces to, She lived on the house of the dude she's spying and getting that information, It is not hard to think she found out a way to get access to all Lex's files and proyects.

[darkone]

Still doesn't change the fact that Lana's miraculous computer skills came out of the blue and with no development to speak of.

Aswell as Chloe's or Lois' interest in journalism.


but Lana, that didn't even knew how to replace a printer tuner

That was season 1.You know character development and all.Lana studied astronomy which proves she's pretty good in math.Lana also figured a way to get into LuthorCorp security in Nemesis.


But or course it is. Having read a lot of your posts over the past year or two, I could have told you that before the writters even had Miss "Get Smart" unveil her talents. Yeah, I think most of us here could have seen your unconditinal "approval" coming.

Go tell that the Chloe,Lois defenders on this board.

[Theshadow129x]

I just have a problem that all of a sudden, Lana is smart. How did she get all of this computer knowledge? How would she set up cameras all over Lex's house and it is not detected. Someone with his money, and not to mention all the illegal, questionable stuff he does, he would have debuggers come in once in a while. They don't explain how she had the electronic knowledge to get the cameras up (or if someone else did it, why they were not noticed I don't know, it's like it's not really her. Is she a clone or did Lex supposedly did something to her personality.

I agree. Every season they do this to that character. They give her something to make her seem relevant to the show and storyline and there's never an explanation as to how and why she's involved. What's even worse is the fact that Chloe has been taking a back seat this season because of the silly Lana is now smart storyline.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

People, people...... You have to understand: this show is about Superwoman. And Lana is her name.
:p

[CK&CK]

Clark: Lana. You have to stop spying on Lex.
Lana: Ok... (stares at screens). I'm just going to keep these screens here in this secret room... to watch Bridget Jone's Diary.
Clark: Sounds good.

*Two months later*
Clark: I wish I knew what Lex was up to.
Lana: Let me hack into his system.
Clark: *forgets everything he said about spying on Lex* Ok.
Lana: I'm so glad I have ten plasma screens on my walls so that I can look anywhere I want and still read my computer screen.

Yep....I'm not surprised.....just like the Luthors.....the writters make Clark look stupid and like a hypocrite just to keep Miss Perfect in a Smallville storyline. I wonder if while growing up in kindergarten.....if both Al & Miles where the ones who kept trying to put the square peg into to the round hole.

And like the Luthors are STUPID enough to think that they'll be safe from Lana (if she is now familiar with their system and if she knows what type of access codes they have...Geez, I hate having to rationalize Lana's talents here.....but if they've been "properly" explained....then my bad...still sounds like her fans reaching though).....mabye, a lovey-dovey Lex......but not the Magnifient B..........yeah, like he's stupid enough to let Lana into the Luthor World, and then suddenly think......"she's been on the inside, but we've nothing to fear from her.....just because she would like to see my Son go to prison...and I'm sure she's forgotten how I threatened her......yeah, it's quite okay......never mind about changing secruity.....and what the Hell.....our security sucks anyway". Quite Stupid for one so brilliant actually.




Aswell as Chloe's or Lois' interest in journalism.



That was season 1.You know character development and all.Lana studied astronomy which proves she's pretty good in math.Lana also figured a way to get into LuthorCorp security in Nemesis.



Go tell that the Chloe,Lois defenders on this board.

I would say that you're becoming predictable, but like I said, that's actually been the case for quite some time now........especially when it comes to Miss Lana Lang. No really......this is exactly what I thought you'd say.......well, execpt for the Journalism part (which only makes half sense...the Chloe character was always interested in Journalism....unless I am misunderstaning your statement).....as for the other 2 comments......I was right........of course I did think you'd give us the complete 101 reasoning course on Lana's miraculous talents.....perhaps the list is too long to go into all of it here.

[Jade4813]

If I might interject...

I don't think the problem is that Lana's ever been really portrayed as stupid. Gullible...sure. Innocent...without a doubt. Naive...of course. But she never failed out of classes either, even as she was running a business. Implausibe? Of course it was. But that was what was written. I was frankly a tiny bit surprised they didn't try to pass her off as valedictorian.

But, regardless, she wasn't portrayed as possessing the same level of ruthless, cunning, evil that the Luthors in general (and Lionel in particular) had. I mean, you gotta admit, the MB was terrifyingly intelligent when it came to being ruthless (cunning or evil, too), particularly in the early seasons. Even Lex couldn't match up. It has little to do with his level of actual intelligence - of course, he couldn't do it if he were stupid, but what he does require more than just brains. The MB had it. In spades. Lex had it. Sometimes, kinda, and it was still developing (and still is. I don't know that he's quite up to MB level just yet).

Lana never had it. And, frankly, they would have had to obliterate her character in order to give it to her. Sure, she's slid down a very steep slope and had done some EXTREMELY...er...questionable things. But the writers love Lana, and it's very clear that even as they like to mess with her, they don't want her to take that one step too far where redemption isn't possible

Fact is, though, that if she were to actually and believably outsmart Lex and Lionel, she'd need to get on their level, and the only way for her to have done that would have been to develop that same level of evil cunning that's such a trait of the Luthors. Even Lionel, though he's "good" now, still has quite a bit of it, because he's still willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done - including force Lana to marry Clark.

But the problem is that they wanted to make Lana play at the same level as the Luthors, and they wanted to keep her somewhat "innocent" (or at least redeemable) at the same time, and the fact of the matter is that the two of those are just not reconcilable. It's not because she's stupid; she just shouldn't have the level of cunning that Lionel (or even Lex) have because they've clearly either a) entered the show with it or b) developed it over seven seasons now (and are STILL not up to par) and she's been looking in that dark place for, what, a season now?

It's unrealistic to say that Lana should have outsmarted Lionel. Ever. Lex taught her how to play chess in season 5 or 6, and it takes a lot of time to learn how to think about every piece on the board and anticipate where it might move and how and what to do to thwart whatever your opponent might do. Lana's been doing it, even in a game setting, TOPS two seasons. Lionel's been doing it since he had his parents killed for their insurance money.

They had to either a) "dumb down" Lionel's evil cunning, b) make Lana unrealistically cunning, given that there's no way she could be as good at those types of games as it would requre or c) both. And they did both.

Oh, and as far as your comment about journalism goes. Yes, I love Lois, but they did sort of have her interest in journalism be sudden (though at least she'd gotten her toe dipped into the water when she was at the Torch). But Chloe HAS had an interest in journalism since the begining, so your statement that she developed it suddenly and groundlessly is without merit.

And it's not impossible to love a character without recognizing its flaws. I adore EDLois, but I could still criticize her with the best of them for some things. (Her behavior toward Clark in Rage, for exampe.) I blame the writers for these inconsistencies, as I do for every other inconsistency with a character.

Just because you love a character doesn't mean your have to do it blindly.

[CK&CK]

MOD EDIT

[darkone]

Oh, and as far as your comment about journalism goes. Yes, I love Lois, but they did sort of have her interest in journalism be sudden (though at least she'd gotten her toe dipped into the water when she was at the Torch)

Well if you read my post again I was talking about Lois.And yes this flying barndoor and the ramifications out of this can't hardly be seen as believable character development.The same goes for her sudden talent to manage a campaign.And there's also Chloogle and her suddenly being a meteor freak.


Just because you love a character doesn't mean your have to do it blindly.

Oh of course but that counts for every person who posts here. ;)


Yep....I'm not surprised.....just like the Luthors.....the writters make Clark look stupid and like a hypocrite just to keep Miss Perfect in a Smallville storyline.

Actually the writers dumb down every character so that Chloe can shine.Persona was yet another example for that.Also I don't see how that makes Clark look stupid?He's running all the time to Chloe since Season 5 but when he goes to Lana for help it's wrong?LOL nice double standard but that's normal when it comes to criticizing Lana.
Hey did you saw that coming?Perhaps you can tell me the lottery numbers?

[LoveLiving]

....
Just because you love a character doesn't mean your have to do it blindly.

And just because someone hates a character doesn't mean that credit shouldn't be given where it's due... :)

I agree that Lana is not on (old) Lionel's or Lex's level of cunning. But she did fake her death realistically enough for everybody (including Lionel and the authorities) to believe and framed Lex for it. Then she kidnapped Lionel. Then she setup Isis and managed to get into Lex's files. (IMO - she had paid help to do the initial setup, probably hired a superhacker to plant a nice little bug into Lex's network that gathers info and allows her to open the door when she wishes too. The rest she can do herself.)

And - Lana could have killed Lex when he found her in China after the fake death, she did not. She also could have killed Lionel instead of keeping him captive - she did not. Before she faked her death she tried to free herself by giving info to a DP reporter - she got shot, and almost died. Before she beat up Lex in Wrath (would she have killed him if Clark doesn't show up - I don't know) she tried to give the info to Grant in the DP - too bad he had allegiance (then still) to Lex.

The one thing I agree on that it is all about the writing - but I personally enjoy the powerful and gray Lana much more than if they kept her all pink and innocent. After all the stuff that happened to her it would be completely unrealistic if she stayed that way. I actually like ALL characters to stumble and struggle to find their way - the only way to grow (and much more interesting to watch). As Clark said: "...it's how you come back from the mistakes that counts." And it ain't over yet...

I also think that the people who love a character should come to his/her defense (who else will?), otherwise all you get is one side. I mean where are we? "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile"???

[meteor_phreak]

the difference for ALL of these lana things and the stuff for the other cast members is that for most of them, we have seen at least some explanation for it, usually a bad one, but an explanation. for lana we get nothing.

lionel turning good? it is related to having clark in his body for a while, it's related to his role as jor-el's emissary, and it's partially related to his guilt over lex.

for chloe's meteor power out of nowhere, we at least got a line about how a lot of people stay latent for a long time.

kara was trained by zor-el on earth, and she was a teen when she left krypton, so she should be more advanced and still quicker to adapt.

for lois' interest in journalism, she had to do it to finish high school. then later she did it again if it suited her. and now she thinks it's a way to take on luthor.

I don't necessarily like these explanations, but at least they were addressed. we don't get stuff like that for lana. we're just supposed to be able to accept that's how it always was.

[Dustmite]

And there's also Chloogle and her suddenly being a meteor freak.

You must have missed the many threads and countless posts criticizing Chloe's power or the fact that posters have named it the Tears Of Suck. Believe me, it's not something that has been applauded by Chloe fans.

It all boils down to this. Lana develops a new interest or skill each season so this should really come as no surprise. Her charcater is not only the most inconsistant on the show, she also develops a new purpose with every season. Her primary purpose throughout the series has been to find out Clark's secret and to be in a relationship with him and now both these things have happened they don't know what else to do with her.

[Jade4813]

And just because someone hates a character doesn't mean that credit shouldn't be given where it's due... :)

Oh, certainly. I never said otherwise. I may not like Lana's characterization all the time or buy what they're trying to sell us (any more than I do any other character), but that doesn't mean that I can't give credit where it's due. Her character isn't without its virtues, and neither is any other character without its flaws.

And my comment about not loving blindly really was in reference to all ships, because in every ship there are people who do love blindly. Just as in every ship hating group, there are those who hate blindly. Just the way life goes, I suppose.


I agree that Lana is not on (old) Lionel's or Lex's level of cunning. But she did fake her death realistically enough for everybody (including Lionel and the authorities) to believe and framed Lex for it. Then she kidnapped Lionel. Then she setup Isis and managed to get into Lex's files. (IMO - she had paid help to do the initial setup, probably hired a superhacker to plant a nice little bug into Lex's network that gathers info and allows her to open the door when she wishes too. The rest she can do herself.)

Oh, I definitely think Lana is MORE cunning than she used to be, with good reason. I just don't think she should currently be the MOST cunning person on the show. Not only do I not think she should be, I don't WANT her to be and can't imagine people generally would. We all, I should hope, want Lana to be redeemed in the end - not perfect, certainly, but not evil and beyond all hope. The day she genuinely surpasses the Luthors, however, is the day that she will be both of those things. So they should stop trying to sell us on the fact that she can and will do both.


The one thing I agree on that it is all about the writing - but I personally enjoy the powerful and gray Lana much more than if they kept her all pink and innocent. After all the stuff that happened to her it would be completely unrealistic if she stayed that way. I actually like ALL characters to stumble and struggle to find their way - the only way to grow (and much more interesting to watch). As Clark said: "...it's how you come back from the mistakes that counts." And it ain't over yet...

I totally agree. She is a far more interesting and believable character with her shades of gray. On the other hand, she should no more be perfect at being cunning and evil than she was at being sweet and innocent, you know? There's nothing wrong with her being smart, but that doesn't mean that she shouldn't have her moments wherein she's outsmarted.


I also think that the people who love a character should come to his/her defense (who else will?), otherwise all you get is one side. I mean where are we? "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile"???

Hey, I'm defending Lois on a regular basis so you're not talking to someone who always has an easy job ahead of her. Of course we've got to defend our girls! :lol: But that doesn't mean that people who have contentions with the way our particular girl's character is portrayed never have a point. I love Lois. I hate the fact that the writers have been so unoriginal that they tend against logical character growth and tend to have things pop up out of the clear blue sky. I hate some of the things they've done with her character, and I understand why other people have issues with those very things. On the other hand, while I wish they'd handled particular situations differently, I still defend her even in those situations because I tend to see the overall picture more favorably.

ETA: I should have said "I generally can defend her" here. There are things that even I am driven so crazy by that I can't or won't defend it. Her characterization toward Clark in Rage still annoys me to the point where I'll say, "Yup. They totally FUBARed that one. She was wrong. Totally wrong to do that. Doesn't matter that she was worried, she was wrong." On the other hand, I don't think that one moment was a fatal flaw for the character in general.


Well if you read my post again I was talking about Lois.

Actually, in your post, you said:


Aswell as Chloe's or Lois' interest in journalism.

Maybe you intended to refer only to Lois's interest in journalism, but you actually referenced both of the girls when you did so. And, thus, my comment.


Oh of course but that counts for every person who posts here. ;)

Never said it didn't.

There's no one ship that is devoid people who make irrational, illogical arguments or who love their characters blindly. Just as there's no one ship that doesn't have at least some members who have very logical, rational reasons for loving their characters.

Still, people shouldn't love characters blindly. And, yes, I get as annoyed by it when it comes from people who see Lois through rose colored glasses as I do when it's someone who loves Chloe or Lana or Clark that way. The ONLY character I'll buy that for is Shelby. And that's cuz...well...he's SHELBY! :D


Actually the writers dumb down every character so that Chloe can shine.Persona was yet another example for that.Also I don't see how that makes Clark look stupid?He's running all the time to Chloe since Season 5 but when he goes to Lana for help it's wrong?LOL nice double standard but that's normal when it comes to criticizing Lana.

I can't entirely disagree. I think that's what drives many people crazy about Chloe is that she's often used as Clark's brain, and rather than having him figure out an answer, he goes to Chloe to have her spoonfeed him the answer. Yes, she has sources that he doesn't and there are many times that he SHOULD go to her for answers. But it's definitely overdone, and I think it would have been nice if just once the writers have Chloe say, "Well, you know, Clark, theoretical astrophysics really isn't my thing, and I don't understand it at all. But give me a few hours to look into it and make a few phone calls, and I'll get someone who can explain it to the both of us."

Hey, everyone has things they just don't get. That doesn't make the character inherently bad, and there are other things to love about Chloe, even if you hate that particular aspect.

On the other hand, it may not be logical that she can do all these things, but her character has been set up to be able to do all these things, like it or not. I take it with a grain of salt. It's not that it's "bad" that Clark goes to Lana (well, actually...I support that it's bad that he HAS to go to anyone at this point, without ever once trying and failing first because he should at least be TRYING to do these things on his own). It just makes less sense. It makes less sense that Lana is now this computer guru when we've never seen her do anything with computers that indicates she's learning how to do things. This is a flaw that the writers have consistently had when writing Lana's character. Or any character. They don't think ahead to what they might someday need that character to do, so when the moment comes that they need that character to do it, all of a sudden, that character is able to do it with no problem!

[samanta]

And just because someone hates a character doesn't mean that credit shouldn't be given where it's due... :)

I like Lana a lot but that she is able to outsmart both Luthors is ridiculous IMO.
On Smallville we have seen Lionel trying to take down Lex, Lex trying to take down Lionel, Chloe/Clark, and Lois against Luthors, Oliver plus his group of superheroes and several other people against Lex. No one was successful. That Lana is suddenly able to go so easy against them is not only ridiculous but also almost insulting to other characters.
I'm not even getting to the fact that we have never seen her working with computers or successfully investigating anything only by herself. Her only abillities until now were being love interests and good manager.
That Lana is able to play Luthors and survive is too random to be taken seriously IMO.

[CK&CK]

Oh of course but that counts for every person who posts here. ;)



Actually the writers dumb down every character so that Chloe can shine.Persona was yet another example for that.Also I don't see how that makes Clark look stupid?He's running all the time to Chloe since Season 5 but when he goes to Lana for help it's wrong?LOL nice double standard but that's normal when it comes to criticizing Lana.
Hey did you saw that coming?Perhaps you can tell me the lottery numbers?

I think it was obvious that Jade4813 was talking in general about fans who love a character too blindly. I think it's lame that you try to use it as a way of indirectly supporting your case....especially with the token wink at the end. I mean, I keep hearing a "Well Chloe or Lois does it" argument from you. It's like if Al & Miles all of a sudden had Lana flying over Metropolis......one would almost expect you to say...."Well Clark can Fly"........of course this statment is a bit extreme (and even you probably wouldn't defend Lana being able to fly out of the blue......would you?).....but hopefully it gets my point accross.

And if you have ever read any of my past posts, you would have read my disapproval of Clark being dumbed down with regards to Chloe......problem is that Chloe doesn't need for Clark to be dumbed down to shine.......I have often compared these 2 to the Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson comradery (not that either Chloe or Clark are as smart as Bruce or Dick)....in the way that they bounce ideas and theories off each other......they are best when written like that. And the Writters have done it before....so it's obvious that they don't have to dumb down Clark.....but that's because Chloe's intelligence in regards to "Scooby-ing" with Clark.....has already been long established.......but with Detective Lana (the name makes me laugh)......it's not even credible enough to attempt a decent try at suspending belief........in addition to that.....they're also doing it just to cram Lana into any storyline that they can. Which then naturally comes accross as having the character being cramed down one's throat by Al & Miles.

And "OH......MY.........GOD!".....upon posting my previous statement, I was thinking....watch you come back with a "What are you....PSYCHIC?"....or "How come you haven't WON the LOTTERY?"......Did I say you were predictable?.......I was being too kind.

[Timester]

That was season 1.You know character development and all.Lana studied astronomy which proves she's pretty good in math.Lana also figured a way to get into LuthorCorp security in Nemesis.

Math has nothing to do with hacking. The most dumbest guy at maths can easily be a hacker.

[darkone]

problem is that Chloe doesn't need for Clark to be dumbed down to shine.

Of course not because she's a million times better then Lana and Lois.Sorry but it is totally recognizable that Chloe is Al/Miles favorite character their perfect creation and this pisses me off to no end.


And "OH......MY.........GOD!".....upon posting my previous statement, I was thinking....watch her come back with a "What are you....PSYCHIC?"....or "How come you haven't WON the LOTTERY?"......Did I say you were predictable?.......I was being too kind.


LOL.Maybe you should start a career and stop hanging out on threads like this.


Math has nothing to do with hacking. The most dumbest guy at maths can easily be a hacker.

I guess you are the expert.Even if it isnt which I disagree it's certainly a sign that she's intelligent respectively has an high IQ.Clark also mentioned in Thirst that she has pretty good grades.

[Jade4813]

Of course not because she's a million times better then Lana and Lois.Sorry but it is totally recognizable that Chloe is Al/Miles favorite character their perfect creation and this pisses me off to no end.

*looks around* Why do I have a feeling things are about to get ugly? I think for once, I'll ponder the comment while doing something very un-Loisy in trying my hand at keeping my mouth shut for a change. ;) I just suspect that there are an awful lot of people who are going to take exception to this statement.

*start practicing* Mi dispiace; non parlo inglese...

[CK&CK]

LOL.Maybe you should start a career and stop hanging out on threads like this.



Only if I were as psychic as you are predictable........then I really would have the Lottery Numbers.

[Dustmite]

Sorry but it is totally recognizable that Chloe is Al/Miles favorite character their perfect creation and this pisses me off to no end.

It's recognizable that Lana is some fantasy girl for them. The girl that every Tom, Dick, Harry and Bizarro instantly fall in love with and obsess over. The girl who can do no wrong, is completely blameless and around whom other characters are not only dumbed down but torn down.

She can commit crimes and other characters will make excuses for her. She can invade their privacy, stalk them and decieve them and they will apologize to her and cheer her on. No one will call her out on anything that she does but she has no problem in making accusations and throwing the secrets and lies speech in their faces.

[LoveLiving]

I like Lana a lot but that she is able to outsmart both Luthors is ridiculous IMO.
On Smallville we have seen Lionel trying to take down Lex, Lex trying to take down Lionel, Chloe/Clark, and Lois against Luthors, Oliver plus his group of superheroes and several other people against Lex. No one was successful. That Lana is suddenly able to go so easy against them is not only ridiculous but also almost insulting to other characters.
I'm not even getting to the fact that we have never seen her working with computers or successfully investigating anything only by herself. Her only abilities until now were being love interests and good manager.
That Lana is able to play Luthors and survive is too random to be taken seriously IMO.

I need a little explaino - what exactly is this "unbelievable outsmarting" she's supposedly doing? Both Luthors are still standing, all she managed to do is build a data-warehouse of Lex's projects, and diffused Lionel's blackmail by telling the truth to Clark (the other things I listed she DID actually do). All other characters HAD some successes from time to time in sticking it to the Luthors, until they wiggled out. They probably will this time too.


...Hey, I'm defending Lois on a regular basis ....
I still defend her even in those situations because I tend to see the overall picture more favorably.

ETA: I should have said "I generally can defend her" here. There are things that even I am driven so crazy by that I can't or won't defend it.

I actually agree with most of the things in your post, Jade. I probably would be less on the defensive if there weren't so many negative remarks against Lana. Simply, there is enough criticism out there, I choose not to add to it. I have no beef against Lois, I like her too, and would defend her too, if it seemed needed. You would be hard pressed to find any post where I heavily criticized any character, actually. I love the show as it is way too much for that. I will try to respond however to senseless hate and to ignoring and twisting facts (NOT meaning any of your posts :)).

I will even defend the writers, because I feel that not only they have a limited time and money to come up with an episode, and they don't have crystal ball to see years ahead into the future when they will need a character to be able to do something, but also because on this particular show they write with one hand tied behind their backs. Try to stay somewhat close to the mythos, comply with DC restrictions, and write a story that has a predefined END, with enough twists and turns to keep it interesting for years - it's harder than writing something completely from scratch...

[darkone]

She can commit crimes and other characters will make excuses for her. She can invade their privacy, stalk them and decieve them and they will apologize to her and cheer her on. No one will call her out on anything that she does but she has no problem in making accusations and throwing the secrets and lies speech in their faces.

You perfectly described Chloe Sullivan.But I give you the secrets and lies that's really Clana's thing.

[Dustmite]

You perfectly described Chloe Sullivan.But I give you the secrets and lies that's really Clana's thing.

No. That was all Lana.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i do agree with the general theme of this thread, for me since ep 100 lana has been a pain for me.
the lexana thing I thought that was a bad move.
now that lexana is over they are making her the computer guru, which is so out of place for someone who just wanted to own a coffee shop.
I wish there was something else for her to do, then pretend to be the Oracle of computers.

[Timester]

I guess you are the expert.Even if it isnt which I disagree it's certainly a sign that she's intelligent respectively has an high IQ.Clark also mentioned in Thirst that she has pretty good grades.

Considering the M.D. I'm taking in computer network programming, I do think I might know some things. :rolleyes:

She can be the smartest person alive and know squat about computers.

[A.S.C.]

Clark does side step problems too much.
in particular with lana

[Jade4813]

Considering the M.D. I'm taking in computer network programming, I do think I might know some things. :rolleyes:

She can be the smartest person alive and know squat about computers.

(Being a smart*ss...)

Oooh! Can I make a logical correlation there? Because I know squat about computers, can I be the smartest person alive? *looks hopeful*

Hey, a girl can dare to dream. ;)

[Spaniard]

It's recognizable that Lana is some fantasy girl for them. The girl that every Tom, Dick, Harry and Bizarro instantly fall in love with and obsess over. The girl who can do no wrong, is completely blameless and around whom other characters are not only dumbed down but torn down.

She can commit crimes and other characters will make excuses for her. She can invade their privacy, stalk them and decieve them and they will apologize to her and cheer her on. No one will call her out on anything that she does but she has no problem in making accusations and throwing the secrets and lies speech in their faces.

And her aunt had a fling with Jor-El, and she had an ancestor who was a witch that knew about the kryptonian stones, and she is the main reason why Lex and Clark became enemies (which is pathetic), and they give her stupid storylines and incredible skills overnight just to give her more screentime and keep her in the show... seriously, it's ridiculous the importance TPTB give her. It's pretty obvious that Lana is their favorite character.


i do agree with the general theme of this thread, for me since ep 100 lana has been a pain for me.
the lexana thing I thought that was a bad move.
now that lexana is over they are making her the computer guru, which is so out of place for someone who just wanted to own a coffee shop.
I wish there was something else for her to do, then pretend to be the Oracle of computers.

Agreed

[CK&CK]

It's recognizable that Lana is some fantasy girl for them. The girl that every Tom, Dick, Harry and Bizarro instantly fall in love with and obsess over. The girl who can do no wrong, is completely blameless and around whom other characters are not only dumbed down but torn down.

She can commit crimes and other characters will make excuses for her. She can invade their privacy, stalk them and decieve them and they will apologize to her and cheer her on. No one will call her out on anything that she does but she has no problem in making accusations and throwing the secrets and lies speech in their faces.

Man if only the Justice League could harness this strange Meteor Power that Al & Miles have bestowed upon Lana Lang. Imagine it......an Alien race, even as superior as Kryptonians.... would upon attacking earth.......be dumbed down, torn down, and have all their weaponary rendered useless as easily as Lana Lang not being called on her constant crap.............and all this while the fools are falling hopelessly in Love with her. Oh yeah, I think the World would be safe.......except for our favorite BDA of course.

[samanta]

I need a little explaino - what exactly is this "unbelievable outsmarting" she's supposedly doing? Both Luthors are still standing, all she managed to do is build a data-warehouse of Lex's projects, and diffused Lionel's blackmail by telling the truth to Clark (the other things I listed she DID actually do). All other characters HAD some successes from time to time in sticking it to the Luthors, until they wiggled out. They probably will this time too.





What about stealing Lex's money and getting away with it? Kidnapping Lionel and getting away with it? Spying on Lex?

[LoveLiving]

Considering the M.D. I'm taking in computer network programming, I do think I might know some things. :rolleyes:

She can be the smartest person alive and know squat about computers.

Well, "the smartest person alive" definetely could LEARN about computers. And any other intelligent person also could. I really don't understand this big mystification of computer knowledge...
P.S. I have an Information Systems degree - bet you couldn't tell.

[CK&CK]

What about stealing Lex's money and getting away with it? Kidnapping Lionel and getting away with it? Spying on Lex?

Perhaps a more pertinent question is "Has that person ever seen the Magnificient B (that would be Lionel Luthor....the Greatest Luthor Villain ever....on celluloid anyway) in his prime....and while in villianous action? The Magnificent B was awesome.....he was able to mess with other characters' heads......much like a Luthor's version of Hannibal Lector. But no doubt this is when some Lana fan will probably come in here and accept Lana Lang's being able to outwit Hannibal Lector as well. They'd be all "Wo-Whoo......see.....we told you Lana was smart!"

[cotton candy girl]

That's not the case. Lana's suddenly a mad hacker and the same people that had a problem with Chloe's skills have no problem with Lana's :\

That is the case. People are all up in arms that Lois is even at the DP, and goodness forbid Lois should ever become a star reporter there. People are already saying it's Chloe's dream, so it wouldn't be right.

And is Lana really considered a mad hacker now?

[Dannyblue1]

Well, "the smartest person alive" definetely could LEARN about computers.

In just a few months?

Of course a smart person can learn something if they put their mind to it. But even intelligence and a desire to learn doesn't mean you'll suddenly, magically have the knowledge you need.

Also, we've been told Lana is smart, sure. She got good grades in school, as many people do. But smart doesn't equal genius, last time I looked. We were giving no indication, in the previous 5 or 6 seasons, that Lana had the "brilliant mind" we're suddenly being told she has.

[LoveLiving]

What about stealing Lex's money and getting away with it? Kidnapping Lionel and getting away with it? Spying on Lex?

Define "getting away with it". She was discovered in each case. Do you mean why didn't they kill her? Chloe is alive after trying to bring down Lionel in earlier seasons, and intercepting Lex's transmissions recently. JLA all alive after regularly attacking Lex's facilities, even after some members being captured from time to time. Both Lex and Lionel KNOW what Lana did but are LETTING her live for their own personal reasons. Lex is not ready kill her - on some level he loves her. Lionel keeps trying to use her for his advantage, and enjoys having dirt to hold over her head.

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That is the case. People are all up in arms that Lois is even at the DP, and goodness forbid Lois should ever become a star reporter there. People are already saying it's Chloe's dream, so it wouldn't be right.

And is Lana really considered a mad hacker now?

"And is Lana really considered a mad hacker now" - THANK YOU! I did not see genius, etc. to be displayed. What we actually saw was she using a GUI to manage data - software obviously written by others and bought. This much she could have easily learnt in a few months.

For all other posters- smarts+money+obsession = results. I am not portraying Lana as a genius.

[samanta]

Define "getting away with it". She was discovered in each case. Do you mean why didn't they kill her? Chloe is alive after trying to bring down Lionel in ealrier seasons, and intercepting Lex's transmissions recently. JLA all alive after regularly attacking Lex's facilities, even after some members being captured from time to time. Both Lex and Lionel KNOW what Lana did but are LETTING her live for their own personal reasons. Lex is not ready kill her - on some level he loves her. Lionel keeps trying to use her for his advantage, and enjoys having dirt to hold over her head.
Why don't they stop her? It doesn't mean they have to kill her. They could shut ISIS down or take her money. It's not like Lionel has never done this before.
Chloe is alive because Lex saved her. She would be dead if Lex didn't fake her death.
Oliver, Bart and others are alive because Lex doesn't know their identity and when they were captured Clark came in time to save them.
Lex doesn't know he is being spied on. Which is kinda unreal. He should have better security system IMO.

[CK&CK]

For all other posters- smarts+money+obsession = results. I am not portraying Lana as a genius.

Which equals the Luthors being out smarted even when they know she has use of "THEIR" Money and Inside Knowledge......I'm sorry, either she's a genius....or the Luthors are plain stupid. I mean....come on.....she's an OBVIOUS threat.........YOU CAN'T GET ANY MORE OBVIOUS THAN LANA HATING THE LUTHORS, AND HAVING ALREADY DONE THINGS AGAINST THEM.

[Jade4813]

Lex doesn't know he is being spied on. Which is kinda unreal. He should have better security system IMO.

Well...I do have to say in Lana's defense here that it's not exactly new that Lex's security system is about as effective as a bucket of water perched over the doorjam. I mean, he probably pays thousands, if not millions, for security and payroll for security people every year, and yet never once has anyone had a problem sashaying through the front doors of the Luthor Mansion like they owned the place, even if he's specifically stated that they're not welcome. The only person who seemed to have any problem with it at all was Jimmy, and he just had to drop Chloe's name to get in.

Lex definitely needs a better security system, but he's needed that for YEARS. You'd think after the eighth time he got shot and the 5,125,643 someone's walked into his study and tossed him around like he was some kind of ping pong ball, he'd have dished out a few extra bucks to get an upgrade. Unless, of course, the repetitive head injuries have caused massive brain damage. Which might explain a number of Lexana related things - and the fact that all he's done to Lana since Lexana ended has been (I've said this before in regards to Clark, I think, because they both do this) to roll over and show her his tender underbelly and beg her not to kick it.

Not even ONE attempt at her life in revenge for leaving him! What happened to the Lex Luthor we all know and love to hate?

[Timester]

Well, "the smartest person alive" definetely could LEARN about computers. And any other intelligent person also could. I really don't understand this big mystification of computer knowledge...
P.S. I have an Information Systems degree - bet you couldn't tell.

In a couple of months? Come on, if you have an Information Systems degree, you know better that is not possible.

Mystification is not even the issue (at least not from I am from), but it's not like you create a document in Word and suddenly "OMG, now I Has UB3R MADX00r HAXS SkiLLZ!!1!!11!".

She had to start from the beginning, and I'm not even saying understand the rig and software she has, no, simple things as ping, IP, ports, etc.

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Well...I do have to say in Lana's defense here that it's not exactly new that Lex's security system is about as effective as a bucket of water perched over the doorjam. I mean, he probably pays thousands, if not millions, for security and payroll for security people every year, and yet never once has anyone had a problem sashaying through the front doors of the Luthor Mansion like they owned the place, even if he's specifically stated that they're not welcome. The only person who seemed to have any problem with it at all was Jimmy, and he just had to drop Chloe's name to get in.

Lex definitely needs a better security system, but he's needed that for YEARS. You'd think after the eighth time he got shot and the 5,125,643 someone's walked into his study and tossed him around like he was some kind of ping pong ball, he'd have dished out a few extra bucks to get an upgrade. Unless, of course, the repetitive head injuries have caused massive brain damage. Which might explain a number of Lexana related things - and the fact that all he's done to Lana since Lexana ended has been (I've said this before in regards to Clark, I think, because they both do this) to roll over and show her his tender underbelly and beg her not to kick it.

Not even ONE attempt at her life in revenge for leaving him! What happened to the Lex Luthor we all know and love to hate?

Which is the first point I brought, LuthorCorp's security makes my PC look like Fort Knox.

Lex, if you are using Windows OS, go to your Control Panel, then Windows Firewall and turn it ON. It's better than your current security... And, oh, Lana keylogged your system.

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That is the case. People are all up in arms that Lois is even at the DP, and goodness forbid Lois should ever become a star reporter there. People are already saying it's Chloe's dream, so it wouldn't be right.

And is Lana really considered a mad hacker now?

Uh, last time I checked I wasn't a Chloe fan...

And how many times I was the first one complaining about Chloe's hacking skills?

[cotton candy girl]

Uh, last time I checked I wasn't a Chloe fan...

What are you talking about? If my comment doesn't pertain to you, then I don't mean you. :)

[Timester]

What are you talking about? If my comment doesn't pertain to you, then I don't mean you. :)

I assumed you were talking in general. :p

[Dannyblue1]

I don't think you have to be a fan of any particular character to think Lana's computer skills are ridiculous. Or Lois's sudden desire to be a journalist was handled badly. Or Chloe interacting with Lionel like she forgot he once wanted her dead makes it look like some part of her brain ain't wrapped too tight.

[cotton candy girl]

I assumed you were talking in general. :p

Sorry. I was responding to a certain post. :)

[LoveLiving]

In a couple of months? Come on, if you have an Information Systems degree, you know better that is not possible.

She had to start from the beginning, and I'm not even saying understand the rig and software she has, no, simple things as ping, IP, ports, etc.

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Which is the first point I brought, LuthorCorp's security makes my PC look like Fort Knox.

Lex, if you are using Windows OS, go to your Control Panel, then Windows Firewall and turn it ON. It's better than your current security... And, oh, Lana keylogged your system.

"In a couple of months? Come on, if you have an Information Systems degree, you know better that is not possible." - One word - contractor. As working in IS, I can tell you we don't even attempt to KNOW everything. You get consultants in that particular field that you don't have trained onsite personnel in, and have them set it up, and train the rest. It is possible to learn how to manage, administrate, and use even a sophisticated SINGLE program in a few months. It is not possible to know how to troubleshoot or customize it. (Which is why you have maintenance and support contracts.)

"It's better than your current security" - Any computer can be breached, it depends on the skill level of the hacker. (TJMax, Veteran's Affairs, FBI warning for Valentine's Day - don't open ecards?) I've being saying from the beginning that Lana HIRED somebody to do this part.

[Timester]

"In a couple of months? Come on, if you have an Information Systems degree, you know better that is not possible." - One word - contractor. As working in IS, I can tell you we don't even attempt to KNOW everything. You get consultants in that particular field that you don't have trained onsite personnel in, and have them set it up, and train the rest. It is possible to learn how to manage, administrate, and use even a sophisticated SINGLE program in a few months. It is not possible to know how to troubleshoot or customize it. (Which is why you have maintenance and support contracts.)

OK, apples and oranges. What Lana shown on the show is not your normal consulting worker.


"It's better than your current security" - Any computer can be breached, it depends on the skill level of the hacker. (TJMax, Veteran's Affairs, FBI warning for Valentine's Day - don't open ecards?) I've being saying from the beginning that Lana HIRED somebody to do this part.

One word, "triangulating". That's the proof that she is doing all the work by herself. Sorry, fanwaking doesn't work on Smallville, never did.

Yes, any computer can be breached, but Lana has a backdoor into the LuthorCorp for months now, with full access to everything. That has to be the suckiest security ever.

[LoveLiving]

OK, apples and oranges. What Lana shown on the show is not your normal consulting worker.



One word, "triangulating". That's the proof that she is doing all the work by herself. Sorry, fanwaking doesn't work on Smallville, never did.

Yes, any computer can be breached, but Lana has a backdoor into the LuthorCorp for months now, with full access to everything. That has to be the suckiest security ever.

I give up. You can "triangulate" on a paper map by drawing 10 x-s to the spots where the murders happened, then drawing lines in between them for a possible home base usually falling into the intersecting area. Something like this can be easily built into a sophisticated software. But I give it to you - you win. It is impossible to learn how to use a program in a few months. Yeah, maybe Lex has the suckiest security.

[cotton candy girl]

any computer can be breached, but Lana has a backdoor into the LuthorCorp for months now, with full access to everything. That has to be the suckiest security ever.

Well, this month I read an article about a teenage kid hacking into the entertainment industry watch dog's website (I forgot the name, but big time entertainment companies use them to protect them or something). This teenage kid hacked into this site during his Christmas break. :\

[Jade4813]

Or Chloe interacting with Lionel like she forgot he once wanted her dead makes it look like some part of her brain ain't wrapped too tight.

I just snorted soda out my nose laughing at that! I don't know why. (And ow.)

:rotfl:

[curiosity]

It would be much more believable if Oliver Queen had the screen room and was continually hacking into Luthor Corp, with help of course. If they went to Ollie's apartment to access it because it seems like the Justice League, it would make sense. They go to his apartment all the time when he's not in town, and he started the Justice League, plus he's a billionaire.

Didn't they start with Chloe accessing some type of screen in Ollie's apartment anyway? I don't know why they took that from Chloe and gave it to Lana, in addition to her own equipment. Now Lana's the Justice League dispatcher all by herself!

Lana doing it just doesn't make sense. I don't think 10 mil from an ex husband would justify all she's doing. More likely a billionaire would only have those types of resources, like Ollie.

I actually liked him the last episode, as a good subplot.

[kryptonaidxh]

:)she needs to leave or die forever, I can´t stand her anymore, seriously, as most of people that are sick of her:rolleyes:

[CK&CK]

:)she needs to leave or die forever, I can´t stand her anymore, seriously, as most of people that are sick of her:rolleyes:

That would be acceptable..............Al?.....Miles?........Are you listening? (I proceed to try to get Al & Miles' attention as they continue to kiss the cold floor of the ISIS Foundation).

[LoveLiving]

I'll just say this, it would be much more believable if Oliver Queen had the screen room and was continually hacking into Luthor Corp, with help. If they went to Ollie's apartment to access HIS screen room, because the screen room seems like the Justice League anyway, and he started all that and he's really rich, it would make sense. They go to his apartment all the time when he's not in town. And, didn't they start with Chloe accessing some type of screen in Ollie's apartment anyway? I don't know why they took that from Chloe and gave it to Lana, in addition to her own equipment. Now Lana's the Justice League dispatcher all by herself!

Lana doing it just doesn't make sense. I don't think 10 mil from an ex husband would justify all she's doing. More likely a billionaire would only have those types of resources, like Ollie.

I actually liked him the last episode because he stayed a subplot.

And we could get into - why does Ollie need Chloe to do any computer work for him (intercepting the file in Siren) anyway, when he has Cyborg, who said in Justice - after his Quinn Industries upgrade - "I haven't met a computer yet I couldn't crack wide open". However, this is thoroughly ruining my enjoyment of the show. I love Chloe doing her thing, so I CHOOSE to BELIEVE that Cyborg was on some mission at the time, that's why Ollie needed Chloe's help, and the less people know his secrets the better, so he doesn't want to get anybody else involved, even if they would have more skills. Just like I CHOOSE to BELIEVE that what I actually SAW Lana do can be learned, after somebody else did the setup for the hacking and wrote her the program she's using.

And with that I am taking my escape into the wonderful, magical world of Smallville DVDs where there are meteor showers, special abilities, ancient caves, and a guy with gorgeous green eyes that can shoot fire - as far away from reality as possible. Because that is the reason I love this show so much - it has nothing to do with reality, and it is not my expectation that it should...

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:)she needs to leave or die forever, I can´t stand her anymore, seriously, as most of people that are sick of her:rolleyes:

And this is what the whole thing is really about, of course...

[curiosity]

:)she needs to leave or die forever, I can´t stand her anymore, seriously, as most of people that are sick of her:rolleyes:


I'm not sure she should die, maybe just go to the local college or something, and do her own thing. Then they could grow apart. How else will they break up? She can't be Clark's Justice League screen room side kick. It just doesn't work.

[Jade4813]

:)she needs to leave or die forever, I can´t stand her anymore, seriously, as most of people that are sick of her:rolleyes:

Oh, I don't want her to die. In fact, I'm BEGGING them not to kill her off. The last thing I think anybody needs is Clark brooding for half a season because he's got this perfect image of Lana in his head that he's cherishing, and he's mourning that she's gone. It is hard to see the flaws in a ghost.

BUT. That said. I would like to see the end of the Clana drama. They're not even showing much passion this season - something I've heard many Clana fans complaining about (with good reason. Why show a couple together in such a passionless existence? Either heat it up or break it off!). So end the relationship, make the two of them friends, and move the show forward. Because, my gosh, this man has to become Superman SOMEDAY, right?

Oh, and in reference to an argument that people have made or alluded to recently: I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect certain logic in a show that's based on a fantasy. That is, I don't think it's terrible that people expect things to make sense and be believable in a show about a man who can fly (theoretically), shoot fire from his eyes, is super strong, is super fast, etc.

The thing is about fantasy worlds, they still have rules. Those rules are different from the real world, yes, either on the whole or for certain characters. But there are still rules that should be obeyed.

When they retconned Superman and fixed all of his powers in the Infinite Crisis fallout, they did so in part because his continuity had gotten all screwed up and his powers changed from week to week, depending on circumstances. And he hd some FUNKY powers back then, too. I don't remember all of them, but I do recall Super Ventriloquism (Still not sure how this differs from regular ventriloquism, actually). If they needed him to get out of a jam, they'd give him the Super ability to do so. And, you know, there was just a bunch of strangeness going on back then anyway.

So they decided to fix all of this, and, thus, the Infinite Crisis. And after that, they said essentially, "This is it. This is the list of powers that he has. This is his history. This is how he came to Earth. This is why he and Lex are enemies. THESE ARE THE RULES." And none of these rules can change without a LOGICAL and PLAUSIBLE reason. In other words, Superman can't have Super Color Changing ability this week unless, say, he's been exposed to red kryptonite or something. That's it.

Of course, these things do get muddled after decades of writing, so every once and a while, comics need to (or should) hit the giant reset button and fix everything again.

But regardless, even in the comic world, as in every fantasy world, there are rules that the characters live by. And the abilities that certain characters have may be implausible in real life, but they fit within those rules of that world. So, for example, Superman can hold his breath for a really long time, but he can't hold his breath forever just because he's Superman and it's needed that he do so this issue.

In another context, there's the world of Harry Potter. A world of magic and wizards and fantasy. And yet, even in that world, there were rules, and JK was VERY strict about them, even killing an idea for tiny men jumping up and down to play a piano in movie 2 (I think? Or 1?) because there aren't tiny piano playing men in her world. Period. End of story. CC thought it would be cool, but she said it was against the rules, so she killed it.

Or, if you'd like another example...and this was a big rule for the series...People couldn't come back from the dead. Wizards had incredible abilities, and in the end, Harry could create Patronuses (Pantroni?). He could fly on a broomstick and contain fire in a jar. He could possess a cloak of invisibility and the strongest wand that had ever been created. But he couldn't bring his parents back from the dead.

So, you see, there are rules, even in fantasy lands, and those rules should be adhered to if the fantasy is going to be sustainable. Harry Potter was such a popular book, in part, because for all the things that he could do, he couldn't do everything. That would take away quite a bit of the drama. For all that Superman can fly, etc., he's not perfect. It is generally argued, in fact, that it's his humanity - is rule-based flaws - that make him so beloved.

When writers break the rules, they burst the bubble of suspended disbelief, and even a person who's willing to accept the fact that a man can fly is left confused and even somewhat angry, thinking "What the heck? But...he can't do that!" It's against the rules!

I complain about the writers, but I acknowledge that they've got a tough job. It's not easy, what they do. And sometimes, no matter what the show, rules will be broken, intentionally or not. The problem with Smallville is that they don't seem to recognize that there ARE rules, and even if they do, they're almost blissfully happy about breaking them. And, thus, the inconsistencies that we complain about. Because Clark may be superhuman, but Lana/Chloe/Lois aren't supposed to be - and it's aggravating when ANY of these characters are written as if they're somehow more-than-human, or when they're given abilities that it's implausible for a mere human to have. And, frankly, I sometimes wonder what powers Clark would have at this point if Superman weren't an established DC character. Super ventriloquism, perhaps.

[do3mire]

I didnt like the Clana at all in the early seasons. But I'm enjoying it right now and I think they should drag out the story. There are so many unresolved issues between them. I liked Wrath when Lana despised Clark for hiding out on the farm and not using his powers to take Lex down. I enjoyed the scene where Lana realizes she loves Biz, not Clark. And the fallout bedroom scene that followed. However, the convo that Clark had with Chloe complaining about Lana not realizing it was Biz was pretty weak. But, all in all, I've enjoyed the Lana character a lot this season. I think the writers are writing her accurately.

Her new found skills with computers is a bit hokey. But, I'm willing to go along.

[berniepooh]

WOW. I've been gone for awhile and am considering unsubscribing from this thread.

I just read the past 4 pages and my eyes are sore and my head hurts. I vote to rename it the PMS thread. You all sound like your claws are fully exposed and most of the posts could be translated to the inter galactic language of hsss-hsssss-hsssss. Lighten up a bit.

[Timester]

I give up. You can "triangulate" on a paper map by drawing 10 x-s to the spots where the murders happened, then drawing lines in between them for a possible home base usually falling into the intersecting area. Something like this can be easily built into a sophisticated software. But I give it to you - you win. It is impossible to learn how to use a program in a few months. Yeah, maybe Lex has the suckiest security.

You keep missing the point. Fanwank is not the answer. There is nothing in the show saying "I paid a super-hacker to build me this rig and teach me how to hack into LuthorCorp". Not one single moment. So, this hacker-Lana plot appeared like all the other Lana plots, from Gough's a**.

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WOW. I've been gone for awhile and am considering unsubscribing from this thread.

I just read the past 4 pages and my eyes are sore and my head hurts. I vote to rename it the PMS thread. You all sound like your claws are fully exposed and most of the posts could be translated to the inter galactic language of hsss-hsssss-hsssss. Lighten up a bit.

Careful, that is borderline flaming and is against the rules.

[jaime,oburg]

This whole scenerio of Lana suddenly being able to do all the things that traditionally Chloe was doing for Clark just seems to be a way for the writers to keep Lana in the loop so to speak. The writer's had to give her something to do now that she is part of Clark's inner circle. But like Timester pointed out, how she is remaining in the loop as hacker Lana is something that Al just pulled out of his a**.
I had hoped that they could have Lana involved in a more believable way for her character to be able to lend a hand to Clark. I didn't expect her to be just a spectator now that she is involved in a part of Clark's life that she wasn't privy to before. However, I am just disappointed that the writers gave her character a job that is already taken.

[Jade4813]

I had hoped that they could have Lana involved in a more believable way for her character to be able to lend a hand to Clark. I didn't expect her to be just a spectator now that she is involved in a part of Clark's life that she wasn't privy to before. However, I am just disappointed that the writers gave her character a job that is already taken.

I agree. It would have been nice to see this, definitely. However, I have to say that I've spent the last couple hours thinking about it, and I can't think of a job that they could give Lana that WASN'T Chloe's.

- Chloe always help Clark out with his problems.
- Chloe always gives Clark the answers he needs to solve whatever mystery he has - whether that be with computer help or knowing things from Biology 101.
- Chloe has been portrayed as being more willing to jump into the fray with him than Lana.
- Chloe lends an ear when he needs it.
- Chloe always supports him.
- Chloe is always accepting of his powers/abilities/issues/etc.

This makes Chloe a really great character (if sometimes you just want to ask her to pick up a piece of Kryptonite and bludgeon him with it when he's being a prat). Maybe a bit too unbelievable and flawless in her unending support and complete and total selflessness. But a great character.

So the question is, what does he need Lana for? Except for the love that he's not getting and the romance that's lacking this season? What could Lana EVER give Clark - outside of the bedroom - that they haven't already made a point of showing that he gets from Chloe?

I'm not saying I don't love Chloe, because I do. And I love all that she does for him. But she does have that market SO cornered - she's so very ALWAYS wonderful about all of these aspects above and is NEVER willing to put ANYTHING before Clark - that there really is no need for Lana as a friend in the show - certainly in a nonquestioning suppotive friendship capacity. They have never set it up so that Clark would EVER have to go to Lana because "Chloe just wouldn't understand" or even because "Chloe has some important thing she's doing and doesn't have time to anwer this" or even "Because you know about these things and Chloe doesn't." I don't know. Maybe flower arranging. Except I expect that if it ever came down to it and Clark NEEDED someone who knew how to arrange flowers, the writers would have Chloe step forward and say, "You know, I took this course..."

And even in being just friends, Chloe's shown how much better of a friend she is that Lana. I kind of prefer Lana's flaws in that area (though I hate that other people don't remark on them) because of course nobody's the perfect friend 100% of the time. But now, standing next to Chloe, and with all the angst-ridden history with Lana - what could they ever give Lana to make it clear why Clark would go to her with anything before he'd go to Chloe?

I'd like to see Lana become Clark's friend, but short of doing what they've done (giving her amazing abilities suddenly), I just don't see how they could do it. And, frankly, thinking it over, I can't think of one way that they could have transitioned her that would have prevented Chloe fans - or even non-Chloe fans who are following the show - from saying, "But why is he doing that? He's got Chloe!"

Unless someone can think of something that I can't?

I love Chloe (honestly, I do. I may ship Clois, but that doesn't mean I don't love Chloe), but I do wish they'd made her rather LESS perfect as a friend for Clark, because the more I think of it, the more I believe that there really IS no place for Lana to become friends with Clark. Maybe if they'd tried it several seasons ago, you could have gotten a balance. But for too many years, Lana's been the Love Interest and Chloe the Supportive Best Friend, so, like I said, I just don't see how they could give Lana a place in Clark's life that is also outside of romance but doesn't infringe upon Chloe's friendship territory.

The only thing I could possibly think of is to act as Chloe's foil of sorts, and whereas Chloe offers unquestioning support, have Lana give him the occasional smack upside the head when he needs it. But, really, that position is now already taken too by Lois, and I just don't see Lana pulling that off convincingly anyway.

In case it isn't clear what I mean, I'll reference Zoom's comment on Clark saying he always saw himself as an outsider. In comparing how three girls would react, she said,

"If he'd said that to Lana, sad music would start playing and they'd stop walking and make meaningful eye contact and she'd say how much she felt like an outsider, too, even though she's the most popular and hottest girl in school. Then there would be a corny bit of foreshadowing like, "Maybe it's the secrets we keep hidden inside that make us outsiders." Then we'd roll our eyes and pray for the mutant to appear.

"If Clark told Chloe he felt like an outsider, then Chloe would put some kind of positive spin on it and say, "Do you realize some of the world's greatest leaders and heroes were outsiders?" Then she'd list some and that would serve as foreshadowing, too.

"What did Lois say? She laughed and said being an outsider was a good recipe for getting wedgies. Lois is the only girl that Clark has had any significant contact with who doesn't feed into his woe-is-me self image. She doesn't pretend to share it as Lana would and she doesn't pretend that it's a good thing like Chloe would. It's similar to last week's episode when Lois told Clark "get over yourself" because she won't play the pity party game with him."

If they'd tried to make Lana a friend several seasons ago, she could have served as the impetus to propel Clark out of his self-pity. MAYBE. Though considering how she fed into it in even the early seasons, that would have been a hard pill to swallow. But since she didn't and they haven't and Lois is now the one giving smacks upside the head (whether he wants them or not, and whether all SV fans like it or not), there's just no room in the friendship bin for Lana any longer.

[ClarksGal]

I will even defend the writers, because I feel that not only they have a limited time and money to come up with an episode, and they don't have crystal ball to see years ahead into the future when they will need a character to be able to do something, but also because on this particular show they write with one hand tied behind their backs. Try to stay somewhat close to the mythos, comply with DC restrictions, and write a story that has a predefined END, with enough twists and turns to keep it interesting for years - it's harder than writing something completely from scratch...

Great point, and very true. And I'll add that it not only has a predetermined end, but one that already has an iconic mythos that is followed and revered worldwide, for several generations. No pressure, guys.

[Maddie Van Horn]

lol, lana looks like a teacher...or some ones mom :P

[ClarksGal]

Well, this month I read an article about a teenage kid hacking into the entertainment industry watch dog's website (I forgot the name, but big time entertainment companies use them to protect them or something). This teenage kid hacked into this site during his Christmas break. :\

OK. And did he start learning about computers in October? :)

[Jade4813]

Great point, and very true. And I'll add that it not only has a predetermined end, but one that already has an iconic mythos that is followed and revered worldwide, for several generations. No pressure, guys.

This is actually part of the reason why I could buy some of the more overt explanations for the Chlois theory as possibly being valid but have a REALLY hard time buying the "the clock had ticked 32 times before Clark said Chloe's name, and that's a mystical number meaning destiny...." There just isn't the time to put these signs in there that EVERY fandom is willing to give credence to.

[CK&CK]

OK. And did he start learning about computers in October? :)

I Was thinking the same exact thing.

[cotton candy girl]

OK. And did he start learning about computers in October? :)

Not my point at all. I'm not even arguing anything about Lana in this point. The point is that Luthor Corp. can be hacked into. :)

By the way, I don't know when he started learning about computers.

[CK&CK]

They need to just limit this stuff. Every episode can't turn into Lana handing over information about what Lex is doing. It's only been a couple of episodes so perhaps I am getting way ahead of myself here. I also find it completely ridiculous that Lex has no clue that Lana has information on him.

As a villain I don't think I can ever believe this version of Lex being greater than The Magnificient Bastard in his prime. It's like comparing a very real John Dillinger to a celluloid gangster wanna be....Fredo Corleone.....relatively speaking of course.

Yes, I agree.....the logic of Lex having no clue is ridiculous.

[LexLuv180]

If they didn't have Lana already 'important' enough, now they're trying to have her be a super-whiz with computers, an evil brain mastermind, and still the same sweet princess. Not an easy (or realistic) feat.

[CK&CK]

If they didn't have Lana already 'important' enough, now they're trying to have her be a super-whiz with computers, an evil brain mastermind, and still the same sweet princess. Not an easy (or realistic) feat.

But that's Al & Miles, still refusing to give up on making a Square Object fit perfectly into a Round Hole...where Lana is concerned.

You tell Miles that it's ridiculous and to give up on it.......he'll just pull out a sledge hammer......when that doesn't work.....Al will desprately reach for the Jack Hammer........kind of ironic.....cause it mirrors their twisted fantasies......Miles would like to pound Lana Lang as if HE were the Man of Steel.......and Al.......Good Ol' Al.......we all know he'd like to ride Lana like a.....