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eas

02-08-2008, 05:52 PM

I thought the weakest part of the episode was the lack of explanation for Black Canary. They had so much to sandwich into this episode that BC got shafted and that kind of sucks.

I wish they had handled this like they did back in "Vengeance". Have Clark and Ollie go after and figure out her identity. Have a little three-way fight (her sonic cry was much too easy to use on her part). A little bit of back-story would have been nice. Why did she become the Black Canary? Hell, why was she even such a radical right wing radio person?

I think that the emphasis on Lana/Clana ruined her appearance. They should have made this an episode with zero Lana when they had so much to juggle with Lois, Oliver, BC, Chloe, Lex, and Clark. Too much focus on Lana took time away from the storyline that should have mattered. Or they should have spread her appearance across 2 episodes.

minerva73

02-08-2008, 06:17 PM

The Black Canary was one of them, but the biggest pet peeve I had for this episode was Lois immediately getting back together with Ollie after what happened with Grant. She probably doesn't know about Grant's death and that's okay, but Lois was the one who was partially crying over what happened with her breakup with Grant at the end of this episode anyways. She should have at least given it some more thought than just a slap and looking at him IMO.

But it was used for plot progression, though. :\

paolinki25

02-08-2008, 07:34 PM

I vote for Clark begging Lana to stay at the end. For a moment, I thought he had his balls back, but then, it all went to hell again. lol

Mr. Clark Kent27

02-08-2008, 08:08 PM

They couldn't do a scene where Lois finds out Grant has died. It would be boring. They are not good at doing scenes where someone finds out someone has died, anyways.

Theshadow129x

02-08-2008, 08:45 PM

just about everything except what ollie said to Clark and the fight.

lastwords

02-08-2008, 09:13 PM

Clark and Lana at the end bugged me but i really hated the BC's short hair. I just didnt like it.

jazzylg

02-08-2008, 09:34 PM

Clark's ears bleeding from the 'doomsday level sonic scream'! Who needs a nuke, or kryptonite when you have the BC.:lol:

lilkoolmaria

02-08-2008, 09:39 PM

The last Clana scene and not enough BC explaination.

borednow

02-08-2008, 11:53 PM

Lionel going to Lana for help.
That was so... off. Anyway multiple pick polls are your friend, because a few of these things did annoy me.

do3mire

02-09-2008, 12:12 AM

...but the biggest pet peeve I had for this episode was Lois immediately getting back together with Ollie after what happened with Grant. She probably doesn't know about Grant's death and that's okay, but Lois was the one who was partially crying over what happened with her breakup with Grant at the end of this episode anyways. ..

IA. Even if she doesnt know about GG's death, she seemed pretty devastated by the breakup. Then, she's back with Ollie and devastated again (eating that gallon of ice-cream) at the end of the epi when she breaks it up with him. Very un-Lois-like.

Siren was a bad epi. There was too much going on. Clana break-up, then back again. Lollie back together then break-up. 2 relationships back and forth in 1 epi! Slow down!

Yeah, and what's with Lana going over to stay with Chloe. Didnt they just have a falling out? I was hoping they'd explore the Chlana tension. Is it over already?

LoisxClark17

02-09-2008, 12:28 AM

I choose

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I hated the part where Lois broke up with Ollie...I mean I'm a huge 100% CLOIS fan but I just think they could have given Lois a steady relantionship with Oliver while Clark had Lana. I mean come on she knew his secret but I still understood why she decided not to get with Oliver.

I also didn't like when Clark begged Lana to stay >_<

borednow

02-09-2008, 12:47 AM

Oliver was offering her weekends... when he could get away... maybe...

Lois has the right not to feel like a hamster, always left behind.

If you want I'll pm you a link to someone explaining it really well. I'm not sure if it's kosher to post it publicly here or not.

Alexander III

02-09-2008, 06:06 AM

Chloe allowing Lana to stay at her place knowing they're in BAD terms.

jimmyolsenblues

02-09-2008, 06:10 AM

Lionel going to Lana for help......not so much

last man of krypton

02-09-2008, 06:33 AM

The 10 minutes of references at the end; I was really enjoying the episode right up until everyone kept babbling on about "destiny" "dual identities" and "the earth cracking open and time ticking backwards".

ItsAllAboutChloe

02-09-2008, 08:40 AM

I liked that he was trying to show Lana that he's not perfect... but we all know where this revelation will lead to next week. The exact same drama and pleading all over again. No more.

jazel

02-09-2008, 10:30 AM

too much Lana, sorry but I just can't bring myself to care about her anymore.

Theshadow129x

02-09-2008, 10:46 AM

too much Lana, sorry but I just can't bring myself to care about her anymore.

yeah like seriously that relationship and character completly tarnished what could have been the perfect superhero episode, but was hard to be excited for anything when every scene had alot of angst in it because of that damn relationship.

samanta

02-09-2008, 10:51 AM

Lionel going to Lana for help, return of Lois/Oliver and there wasn't said enough about BC IMO.

jazel

02-09-2008, 10:53 AM

yeah like seriously that relationship and character completly tarnished what could have been the perfect superhero episode, but was hard to be excited for anything when every scene had alot of angst in it because of that damn relationship.

Wish CK did not have the power, to reverse time in Reckoning.:(

Theshadow129x

02-09-2008, 10:54 AM

yeah she so should have died! it would be the perfect show if she was gone

jazel

02-09-2008, 11:06 AM

yeah she so should have died! it would be the perfect show if she was gone

lol they should have atleast given it a chance.;)

Siren the epi, overall was VERY cool, EXCEPT the nauseating Clana moments....:lol:

Nospam

02-09-2008, 01:07 PM

I hated that Clark appeared rather nonchalant about his seeming promise to join Oliver once he had dealt with the Phantoms. Did the writers even watch Justice?

dunlopc

02-09-2008, 02:12 PM

As much as I liked the episode their was many things that I hated one Lional asking Lana for help, two No explanation if Lois new Grant was dead, three Clark wanting to continue is this fruitless relationship with Lana. But the one I hated the most was Lana saying she was staying at Chloes place. Reason being I understood Lois was the one renting the property in the Talon from Lex her names on the lease. She allowed Chloe to stay with her when her dorm at Uni was being rebuilt. So tell me how the Talon flat is classed as Chloes does she now pay half the rent and given up her dorm.

Theshadow129x

02-09-2008, 02:13 PM

lol they should have atleast given it a chance.;)

Siren the epi, overall was VERY cool, EXCEPT the nauseating Clana moments....:lol:

I agree. it killed the whole episode for me. i actually grunted when Clark came on the screen and was very unhappy with the progress of him in the episode along with Lana and Clana. its what reduced this episode down to a 2 out of 5 for me.

TheLastKryptonian

02-09-2008, 02:15 PM

I'm sure they did and IMO did a good job with the references to "Hydro" and "Exile". But remember, Clark wants to stay on the the farm with Lana forever and he has to finish his training first anyways. But that's not happening anytime soon since he got trapped by Jor-El last time and probably hesitant to go back to the FOS. I didn't really hate anything about this episode except for not letting Lana leave at the end and that Lionel Luthor/John Glover was only in 2 separate scenes. Other than that I love this episode. Best episodes this season are Bizarro, Gemini and Siren. I liked all the other episodes too and thought they were good but not on the same level as the others I mentioned. :)

jazel

02-09-2008, 02:19 PM

I agree. it killed the whole episode for me. i actually grunted when Clark came on the screen and was very unhappy with the progress of him in the episode along with Lana and Clana. its what reduced this episode down to a 2 out of 5 for me.

There seems to be so much 'progression' for ALL characters, EXCEPT Clark and Lana. I don't care IF they are talking, and not keeping secrets. THEIR relationship is SO high school, and high school sucks, no matter what label/click you ran with.:lol:

Theshadow129x

02-09-2008, 02:22 PM

There seems to be so much 'progression' for ALL characters, EXCEPT Clark and Lana. I don't care IF they are talking, and not keeping secrets. THEIR relationship is SO high school, and high school sucks, no matter what label/click you ran with.:lol:

Its funny that you mention progression because its the very thing alot of people dont think about when it comes to this show. the characters have been reduced back to the way they were in season 5 when they had problems in the relationship then. why they would give this another try after all the bull they've been through i dont know but it doesnt further character growth for the two. I've seen character growth in lex, Chloe, Jimmy, Lionel, and Lois but not Clark. and lana is still the same girl i hated since season 3. why they want to further this i dont know but it needs to end.

jazel

02-09-2008, 02:30 PM

why they want to further this i dont know but it needs to end.

we are so on the same page.;)
apparently Al/Miles have an unhealthy obsession w/ KK, thus transfering it to the helpless CK. According to them, Clana ends only when SV ends. *tears*........Oh the HORROR of it all !!!:lol:
maybe I should quit hoping for the impossible.:rolleyes:

MetroGirl06

02-09-2008, 04:50 PM

Lionel going to Lana for help didn't make sense to me at all. That sub plot seemed forced and its only purpose was to give Lana more screen time. That time should have been put to use with more fishnets. :p

msleggie

02-09-2008, 11:03 PM

Pretty much all of the above, is what took away from this episode, I don't think I'd go as far as hate, but some moments did make me angry. Like at the end when Clark was begged Lana to stay with him or how Lionel was asking Lana 4 help, isn't he the MB? Why would he need her, and Shelby has been gone way to long, I don't even think she's alive.

shamville

02-09-2008, 11:12 PM

No kara and we could not hear bc scream, oliver not stop by chloe place and ask her is she is mf.

borednow

02-10-2008, 12:10 AM

What I hate is that in his great tirade of honesty Clark still kept the biggest secret of all from Lana.

jazel

02-10-2008, 12:59 AM

Shelby has been gone way to long, I don't even think she's alive.

MAYBE Clark proposing to him, had him rattled.....(will NEVER watch Promise, BUT I heard things.):lol:
Shelby is a boy....remember Lois, "loving" referring to him as, Clark jr. ? :rotfl:

Brizzle

02-10-2008, 01:11 AM

That there was no Kara and believe she is what is saving this show.

slayer

02-10-2008, 01:12 AM

of course, clark begging lana bothered me, but i chose something else, which was the black canary's hair and her mask and the fact that she worked for the planet. like what the frak?

first off, i would have liked to see long blond locks, not dirty blond, short hair. and her blond hair was supposed to be a wig, not the other way around.

second her mask. how inconvenient and unrealistic to have to put on and wash off all that makeup, not to mention she doesn't actually wear a mask, or conceal her eyes.

third, why the frak would she be at the daily planet in metropolis and not in gotham?

ridiculous, but since i'm used to smallville just ignoring everything anyways i'm pretty much over it :)

smallvillecrazygurl04

02-10-2008, 01:22 AM

It has to be when Clark asked lana to stay in the end.

Damnit Clark, you ruin everything:/

You should of let her Leave.

jazel

02-10-2008, 01:32 AM

That there was no Kara and believe she is what is saving this show.

you haven't been watching, have you ? :lol:

Theshadow129x

02-10-2008, 05:17 AM

lol kara saving the show? hahaha funny. i thought the one thing saving the show was lex. maybe i was wrong. lol

blackcelebration

02-10-2008, 05:19 AM

That there was no Kara and believe she is what is saving this show.

Actually IMO Kara is a desperate attempt to bring back viewers but they keep forgetting who the real star of the show's suppossed to be.:\

Theshadow129x

02-10-2008, 05:49 AM

good point. when you lose focus of the main character u lose the audience

RepairmanBob

02-10-2008, 06:48 AM

Clark losing his balls and his spine in the last two minutes. Again.

I can't wait for the episode where Lana blows up a bus full of orphans and nuns, and Clark confesses that he cheated on his fifth grade math test. "We all make mistakes, Lana. How can I judge you?"

Lionel going to Lana for help didn't make sense to me at all. That sub plot seemed forced and its only purpose was to give Lana more screen time. That time should have been put to use with more fishnets. :pAgreed. When Lionel Luthor has to go beggng for help from the woman who kidnapped and tortured him... damn, it is just sad.

Krypton935

02-10-2008, 08:41 AM

I did not like that Lois had no idea Grant was dead i thought that was extremly gay and retarded and stupid!!!!

jazel

02-10-2008, 10:49 AM

I did not like that Lois had no idea Grant was dead i thought that was extremly gay and retarded and stupid!!!!

other than Lionel, Lex and Lana, doubt anybody else knows.
think it would be DP's front page news.

Dustmite

02-10-2008, 11:02 AM

I dislike that Lionel had to go to Lana for help. A lot. If someone had told me that this would happen two years ago, I would have laughed.

double L

02-10-2008, 12:31 PM

Anything that keeps Clana alive is always the worse thing.

Superchica1203

02-10-2008, 07:14 PM

For me this episode was absolutely awesome except for the ending! Clark told Lana off and then he softens up!! What on earth is that?!?!?!

kryptonaidxh

02-10-2008, 07:20 PM

:) Clark still begging to his lying [b**ch] Lana after all she has done!:mad:
I can´t believe it! , I expected more dignity from Clark and that he be the one who kick her out of his farm!, and that finally he could say that happy words: "IT´S OVER LANA!, GET OUT OF MY FARM!"
But no!, he had to act again so lame and fool.:rolleyes:, he looked like a sissy and the scene was pathetic.:rolleyes:

Kirstycol

02-11-2008, 12:23 AM

A few things I didn't like about this episode.
First and foremost, that Clark is becoming increasingly more ... hmm what's the right word. I don't know if it's mysogynistic or arrogant. But it's really pissing me off. It's like Clark wants all the women in his life to sit around knitting socks and drinking tea only lifiting a finger to help as long as it doesn't put thier fragile little lives in danger. He thinks he has to right to make desicions for other people and override thier choices. It's soooo arrogant. It really pisses me off.
Lana always pissed me off throughout this show because she was such a victim. Now she's finally standing on her own two feet and makeing her own life and all Clark can do is judge her. Grrr he really pisses me off. No wonder Lana fell for Lex.

Two I thought the black canary was a little over the top. Really unnessicary dramatic. I mean if you are a vigilanti why would you run around in a leather bathing suit.. or whatever the hell that's called. And it must have taken forever to paint on that eye makeup. Not very practical when danger strikes. I also didn't like that she hung up her boots and joined the boys club the moment she made a mistake. I mean c'mon, learn from your mistakes and move on, don't give up LOL.

I also thought it was a little unbelievable that Lex when all Neo as was stated above. Don't get me wrong Lex is my favorite character so any chance to see him get his shirt ripped off I'm all for it. But He's always been known for useing his intellect to defeat his opponents and suddenly he's keeping up with the green arrow blow for blow in a fight... it wasn't very believable.

The fact that Lois doesn't really seem very phased by Grants death... it's like it never happened. I think it's a little disrespectful.

The way that Clark and Lana are STILL on the on again off again part of the relationship. Just break up already!!!!!! Holy crap! Seriously just get it over with and get on with your lives for F**** sake.

Last but not least how Lionel is such a dick. He phycologically abuses Lex his whole childhood, trys to murder him on a weekly basis during his adult life, then when he gets out of prison he supposedly a changed man and is now dissapointed in Lex for his vicious behavior. He totally abused Lex his whole life for being a good person, and now spends all his time trying to stop his evil plans but can never ever seem to find a way to just love his son. In my opinon Lionel is equally responsible for everything Lex has done. Especially since Lionel has NEVER taken responsibility for any of the horrible things he did to Lex his whole life.
Hmm I think that's it off the top of my head LOL hehehe

cardsharp

02-11-2008, 12:41 AM

am i the only one that hated the fact that the lex ollie fight was totally ripped from Equilibrium?
i was wrapped up in superhero-ness til that happened. that fight completely made me feel cheated. brutally raped.

and i thought the clana moment was genuine. god this guy is trying.

i mean, yeah it's going nowhere and we know it. but man he's trying. i can appreciate that.
and yeah i hated the lack of BC in this ep, and the lack of background on her. nix the clana and give us a superhero ep. even angel of vengence got some exposition... but nothing for BC?
i was waiting all season for this ep, and i feel kinda cheated. i wanted some superhero banter and fighting. this ep was no justice. i did like the banter with GA and BC before the credits. not bad.

----- Added 12 Minutes later -----

A few things I didn't like about this episode.
First and foremost, that Clark is becoming increasingly more ... hmm what's the right word. I don't know if it's mysogynistic or arrogant. But it's really pissing me off. It's like Clark wants all the women in his life to sit around knitting socks and drinking tea only lifiting a finger to help as long as it doesn't put thier fragile little lives in danger. He thinks he has to right to make desicions for other people and override thier choices. It's soooo arrogant. It really pisses me off.

this is an issue in superman and JL comics. Supes always thinks he knows what's best for everyone, and it's hard for him to relinquish control to humanity to let them make thier own choices, especially when you have a league that could literally take care of the entire planet or even rule it.

it's hard to find that fine line of saving thier lives and protecting them, and being able to let them choose their own fate even if it means the human race hurts itself, especially when you have the powers of a god.

Kirstycol

02-11-2008, 02:06 AM

this is an issue in superman and JL comics. Supes always thinks he knows what's best for everyone, and it's hard for him to relinquish control to humanity to let them make thier own choices, especially when you have a league that could literally take care of the entire planet or even rule it.

it's hard to find that fine line of saving thier lives and protecting them, and being able to let them choose their own fate even if it means the human race hurts itself, especially when you have the powers of a god.

I agree that superman started out in the 30's as bit of a sexist pig. The whole series revolved around him rescuing damsels in distress. But I was hopeing since they updated everything else in the show that they would update that as well and make Clark a little more modern.
However I guess it comes back to the phrase "With great power comes great responsibility." Does he stand by while his loved ones put themselves in danger when he has the power to save them or does he let them live thier lives and even if they are putting themselves in danger.
It's just arrogant. If I was in Smallville I would be arguing with him on a daily basis LMFAO :eek:

LovelyLoisLane

02-11-2008, 02:01 PM

How about Lana saying she was staying with Chloe when it is LOIS' APARTMENT, NOT CHLOE'S!

I also didn't like how Dinah kept ragging on Lois' voice when SHE was the one with a shriek that could break glass. Hypocrite much?

Lara Lane

02-11-2008, 03:20 PM

how inconvenient and unrealistic to have to put on and wash off all that makeup

Yeah! She'll get premature wrinkles around her eyes with all that make up :p

Actually IMO Kara is a desperate attempt to bring back viewers but they keep forgetting who the real star of the show's suppossed to be.:\

Uh-huh, they can't accurately develop the characters they already have but they keep on bringing new ones...

How about Lana saying she was staying with Chloe when it is LOIS' APARTMENT, NOT CHLOE'S!

Exactly!!! :lol:

litew8

02-11-2008, 05:05 PM

IT´S OVER LANA!, GET OUT OF MY FARM!
:lol: :lol:

Nospam

02-12-2008, 01:26 PM

How about Lana saying she was staying with Chloe when it is LOIS' APARTMENT, NOT CHLOE'S!

I think at this point Lois and Chloe would call it their apartment.

blackcelebration

02-12-2008, 05:19 PM

redraven

02-12-2008, 05:26 PM

No Shelby! :mad:

Actually, the only thing that irked me a bit was the whole "Lex goes Neo" transformation. I mean come on, Green Arrow should have been able to take him out quicker than Lex could blink his eye. It was so unrealistic the way the exchanged blows for 20 minutes like that. :rolleyes:

alienkinfolk

02-13-2008, 08:10 PM

I didn't like the fact that Lois, who is so into Grant completely did not know or inquire about his where abouts.

jazel

02-13-2008, 08:20 PM

I didn't like the fact that Lois, who is so into Grant completely did not know or inquire about his where abouts.

Seems NOBODY, other than Lex, Lionel, and Lana....knows about Grant's demise.
WHY would Lois, who was NOT (they broke up, remember?) all that into Grant (used him to forget Ollie) per the convo w/ CK in Siren, be even thinking about Grant with Ollie in town ?

svtwamedfan05

02-16-2008, 10:46 AM

Clark begging Lana to stay at the end. What the Hell Clark? Let her leave already

Dyanara

02-22-2008, 07:59 PM

Im not sure if Lois was going to get back together with Oliver or not but I did dislike the idea that she might. This girl honestly is starting to come off a lil skanky with her jumping from guy to guy so easily. It would have been fine to contemplate getting back with him if she didnt do that stupid affair with Grant. I liked Lois*Oliver together even though they aren't meant to be; I just hate how this show is portraying Lois. But I ended up voting for the Clark begging Lana to stay, I am so sick of those two its not even funny. Clark is officially an idiot and needs to stay his but in Smallville for the rest of his life. I swear this idiot has a lobotomy after everytime Lana does something stupid.
BTW I also was wondering why neither Clark nor Oliver mentioned CLark's promise to join the team when he was done with the Phantoms. Maybe Clark dropped him a postcard that said he was too busy shaking up with Lana to care.

Kirstycol

02-28-2008, 10:26 PM

Im not sure if Lois was going to get back together with Oliver or not but I did dislike the idea that she might. This girl honestly is starting to come off a lil skanky with her jumping from guy to guy so easily.
I would never call Lois Skanky. I think she's more real. At least someone is getting laid on this show. I mean seriously, no one said that about Lex when he was getting his freak on every other episode. Now everyone is all virginal for some unrealistic reason. I think that Lois is like anyone else in the real world. She did leave enough time between Oliver and Grant before starting up with grant. But when Oliver came back it was like a life preserver. Someone she was desperatley in love with before came back, she found out his secret. Not to mention that she is getting over what happened to grant. I think it makes total sense that they would get back together. However it's probably not going to happen because I don't think the green arrow will be a regular member of the show. But I hope so.

Ares

03-06-2008, 10:28 AM

whats BC?

Kirstycol

03-06-2008, 10:35 AM

bc = because

Humdinger

03-10-2008, 05:15 PM

Voted for Grant/Lois etc. I also hated the canary's costume.

Minela

03-11-2008, 09:43 AM

Siren would have been the perfect time for a Clana end, but nooooooo. That was the worst ending, esspecially since we got teased with a Clana breakup the episode before. I guess we'll still have to endure the relationship that just won't die. The Clana is like the terminator, you shoot it and toss it in flames but it keeps coming back for you. Scary.

Other than that, the canary costume was bad and the Lois and Ollie reunion. Although I liked the Lollie at the end when she told him she can't deal with a dual identity relationship. She won't be able to deal with it until she finds the right person, so that was nice. Also, it was really cool to see why exactly she is not into being a hero's girlfriend because she has major abandonement issues with her father. It was really great to see that she understands fully that a hero can never fully belong ot any one person. This also shows why Clark is so reluctant to revele to her that he is Superman. Completly understandable. Also, the little foreshadowing comment at the end from Oliver about time going backwards and the earth opening up, was really great.

Best moment of the episode was the Clois hug.