Lois last scene Irony or the Fact of her life???

[tariksam]

We all saw what Lois NOW thinks about superheores and tte doulble identity.....it is IRONY??? or as some try to make it look os a FACT she won't ever change therefore she won't be able to be with clark in the future???

[sabi908]

I to the RONY

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I feel another Chlois debate creeping around the corner.
:lol:

[sabi908]

I feel another Chlois debate creeping around the corner.
:lol:
oh man I BEG! Lest not go down that path.

[MidgardDragon]

We all saw what Lois NOW thinks about superheores and tte doulble identity.....it is IRONY??? or as some try to make it look os a FACT she won't ever change therefore she won't be able to be with clark in the future???

It was an anvil/irony. She is Lois, therefore she will be with Clark in the future. Although, as we've seen in other incarnations, it's not always easy for her to do so for the very reasons presented in this anvil.

[ginnyfan]

I think that when she broke down she got to the heart of the matter. Lois has abandonment issues from when she was a small girl. Even though she knows with her head that the General had good reasons for not putting her first, she is deeply wounded.

In an odd way a lot of what Lois said seemed to echo things that Lana was never well adjusted enough to realize about herself. When Lois said that part about looking into someone's eyes and knowing that they'll always choose the world over you... or something like that, Wow! I thought of Lana. OK no I didn't, on third viewing I did. LOL!

So I don't think it has to do with the dual identity as much as being abandoned. If there's anything that is certain about Lois and Superman/Clark, it's that he's unquestionably devoted to being there for her when she needs him. Oliver leaves her behind. He was serious about trying to meet up on weekends etc.

[sabi908]

I think that when she broke down she got to the heart of the matter. Lois has abandonment issues from when she was a small girl. Even though she knows with her head that the General had good reasons for not putting her first, she is deeply wounded.

In an odd way a lot of what Lois said seemed to echo things that Lana was never well adjusted enough to realize about herself. When Lois said that part about looking into someone's eyes and knowing that they'll always choose the world over you... or something like that, Wow! I thought of Lana. OK no I didn't, on third viewing I did. LOL!

So I don't think it has to do with the dual identity as much as being abandoned. If there's anything that is certain about Lois and Superman/Clark, it's that he's unquestionably devoted to being there for her when she needs him. Oliver leaves her behind. He was serious about trying to meet up on weekends etc.
Touche! couldn't have put it better myself...it really boiled down to abandonment issues stemming from her father

[jazel]

Lois, according to SV, deals best with the situations, she NEVER saw coming. Her and Supes will be just fine;)

[tariksam]

Yeah like HarryandGinnyfan said this episode in the Clois department was nod to Superman I: with the earth cracking open and time going backward and superman II with Lois' meltdown that was exactly like this one...

Well you could say that YES is the fact of her life sort speaking cause even being 30 she feels the same :rolleyes:

[GhostRaider]

Its a fact of life for Lois RIGHT NOW but she has a lot more living to do which will change her views on this and into the Lois that will be able to accept it in the future.

This is not going to be a permanent chain of thought for her. We know that because we already know how it is going to turn out. She is going to change and she is going to be able to deal with this problem in the future quite successfully.

[sabi908]

It will be hard for Lois to adjust to Clark's dual-identity...heck it would be hard for anyone... but her love for him will prevail and she would adapt to it and unlike Ollie, Clark will always devote time to her and be there for her when she needs him.

And, let's not forget...Lois has a lot to experience before she and Clark are officially together. Her views and mind-set can change.

[VisionGirl]

I feel another Chlois debate creeping around the corner.
:lol:

Yeah, they will latch onto this and disregard the "earth cracking time ticking backwards" reference made about her 5 minutes later. They're selective like that.

[do3mire]

I dont think it's irony at all nor a fact of her life. I think it's a setup for her character to grow. IF she's going to be with Clark, she's going to have to get over this issue.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I dont think it's irony at all nor a fact of her life. I think it's a setup for her character to grow. IF she's going to be with Clark, she's going to have to get over this issue.
Will it take her 10 years, just like it will have taken Clark to get over Lana???

[sherban1988]

Maybe she isn't ready for all that NOW, but she will be one day.

[borednow]

I think that when she broke down she got to the heart of the matter. Lois has abandonment issues from when she was a small girl. Even though she knows with her head that the General had good reasons for not putting her first, she is deeply wounded.

In an odd way a lot of what Lois said seemed to echo things that Lana was never well adjusted enough to realize about herself. When Lois said that part about looking into someone's eyes and knowing that they'll always choose the world over you... or something like that, Wow! I thought of Lana. OK no I didn't, on third viewing I did. LOL!

So I don't think it has to do with the dual identity as much as being abandoned. If there's anything that is certain about Lois and Superman/Clark, it's that he's unquestionably devoted to being there for her when she needs him. Oliver leaves her behind. He was serious about trying to meet up on weekends etc.

So true! The relationship Oliver was trying to set up certainly isn't what Clois will be. Lois may have some trust and self worth issues she still needs to hurtle over but she'll make it.

The line was placed that way for ironic dramatic affect. That's why I voted for irony. It's a temporary state not a fact or Lois' existence.

[ShelbyKent]

In an odd way a lot of what Lois said seemed to echo things that Lana was never well adjusted enough to realize about herself. When Lois said that part about looking into someone's eyes and knowing that they'll always choose the world over you... or something like that, Wow! I thought of Lana. OK no I didn't, on third viewing I did. LOL! I thought of Lana, too! I imagine Lana would have the same questions/doubts swirling in her head. I think TPTB wanted to parallel the Lolliepop and the clana relationship, showing how 2 budding superheroes and their current ladyloves balance saving the world and maintaining (or not maintaining :( ) a relationship

[Timester]

It's both. It's irony because we all know how ends up, but it's also a fact, because the same thing also happens on the comics and on "L&C". Clark is the factor key that she doesn't equate on her logic.

[aqgalaxy]

It's a fact and her telling Clark this means he won't get to close to Lois.

[Timester]

It's a fact and her telling Clark this means he won't get to close to Lois.

The thing is he does. What she said is nothing new in the Superman canon, the beauty of Clois is the fact that Clark manages to overcome Lois' doubts and barriers.

[aqgalaxy]

The thing is he does.Yet after Lois's elegant confession, he restarts his relationship with Lana, yeah he really wants to prove Lois wrong.

[newbaggy]

It's both. It's irony because we all know how ends up, but it's also a fact, because the same thing also happens on the comics and on "L&C". Clark is the factor key that she doesn't equate on her logic.

Absolutely! Taking this scene as proof that Lois can't deal with having a boyfriend with a dual-identity ignores another important fact: Ollie really isn't ready to deal with having a dual-identity and a girlfriend. He may tell Lois that he loves her, but the reality is that his whole life is built around being the "hero", whether it be giving to charity or patrolling the streets as "Green Arrow". However great his love for Lois, all Ollie is offering her is a part-time relationship, whenever he isn't too busy. If he isn't prepared to compromise to build a proper relationship at the outset, why should Lois feel that they stand a chance in the long run?

The difference when Clark and Lois fall in love is that Clark regards Lois as of equal importance in his life as being Superman. Remember, Ollie's parents died when he was a baby, and he got sent to boarding school. How much experience has he had of seeing proper comitted relationships at first hand? Clark, on the other hand, has grown up seeing Jonathan and Martha go through good times, and bad. He knows that his father put his marriage and his family at the top of his prioities, and would have continued to do so had he lived to be state senator (a job Jonathan would have undoubtedly put his heart and soul into). And if the man asking her to love him genuinely regards her as just as important as his work as the world's greatest hero, do you think Lois is going to feel that she is being asked to take second place to a greater destiny?

[jimmyolsenblues]

It is ironic for me that Lois does not want to be second.
She does not want to love a man who has a higher calling.
She knows her problem and yet she cannot stop her self in the future from loving superman.
I thought it was great writing , ironic , and heavy foreshadowing of what is to come.
Who needs hot , rich , when she can have clark to herself.

[Timester]

Yet after Lois's elegant confession, he restarts his relationship with Lana, yeah he really wants to prove Lois wrong.

Who said it has to be right now?

[myankskent]

Who said it has to be right now?

Which is really the whole point of this show, isn't it? The characters are on a journey, they haven't reached their endpoint. Also, the thing that makes me sure that this is dramatic irony is the fact that the writers do this kind of stuff all of the time. From Lois not wanting to be a reporter to Clark not wanting to wear tights to Lex not wanting to become his father. The examples of dramatic irony are scattered throughout this entire show.

[eas]

Eh... everyone has issues. Even Lois Lane.

Before she and Clark can have their happily ever after, they both need to grow as individuals. And they both bring their own issues to the table that they need to work through.

In Lois's case, she has to figure out a way to share Clark with the world & realize that it's worth it. And Clark has to make it worth it.

[ClareKent]

To me it was just irony at a new level, thought I know some people will use this as a hint that EDLois will never be Superman's Lois.

[tariksam]

Yeah but thy use the "chloe is not blond chloe is not blond!!!!" as a hint of Chlois....:rolleyes:

[LoisJoanneKent]

It's obvious it was irony. The fact is, whether people like it or not, that Lois Lane is Lois Lane! And while that anvil was ironic and contradicting to her future and destiny with Clark, didn't anyone notive the other little anvil between Lana and Clark? When Lana said she sometimes thinks Clark doubts that she is the one he's going to end up with? He doesn't for once say "Lana, my feelings for ou will never change! We'll stay together forever!". Lois has abandonment issues...Superman NEVER abandons her...To Clark, she is a #1 prority, and always will be.This is Lois Lane in her 20's...she has a decade to become who she's going tp become, and let's face it...if there's anyone destined for Superman since his creation, it's Lois Lane!

[boywithbluehanger]

I liked the clois/lollie scenes because (finally) the writers showed us that Lois ISN'T the woman she becomes! All this time we always viewed Lois as the only un-orignal character who doesn't need any progression. Turns out, she's afraid of playing second fiddle to the superheroic career - A trait she'll later have to do away with in order to spend her life with Clark.

Very ironic indeed. Much like that episode where Clark was asked what he wanted as a career and he responded with something like "I don't know, as long as it doesn't require wearing a suit and a lot of flying..." (still easily my fav SV quote) :lol:

[seara]

Yeah but thy use the "chloe is not blond chloe is not blond!!!!" as a hint of Chlois....
Face it. Even the fact that Lois ice Cream flavor was "Rocky Road", IS a hint of Chlois.

Before she and Clark can have their happily ever after, they both need to grow as individuals
Especially Lois. But if Clark loves Lois as much as we know he does, he will WAIT FOR HER UNTILL SHE IS READY, because some things 'worth the wait'.

she has to figure out a way to share Clark with the world And she can't share Oliver with the "World" either. Yep, this "World" must really be a very special GIRL.

[Iluvgreen]

I think that Lois will probably try not to fall in love with him, but she won't be able to help it cuz, well, what girl can?

[j-kent]

It is just a set-up for a future Lois to overcome her greatest boundary- Sharing the great destiny of Clark Kent

[Mary Sullivan]

She won't be able to handle it in my opinion, just like she didn't with Oliver.

[WickedJenn]

Recall though, even though she gave Oliver a little bit of a hard time after she found out he was GA, she DID say that she understood why he kept his secret, that he was only protecting her.

However, I think she knows being with someone who has a dual-identity is not easy at all, as she put it pretty well in this episode. I also got the feeling that she felt she would be holding that person back if she did try to make it work.

[eas]

She won't be able to handle it in my opinion, just like she didn't with Oliver.

Well, of course, you'll feel that way. Since you think she's not destined to be with Clark.

But if a person comes at it from an angle that she is destined to be Clark Kent's wife, then we already know with certainty that she'll end up accepting it one day as something she has to get over to be with the man she loves.

Even in the comics, Lois never just shrugs it off. It's constantly an issue in their marriage that Lois has to watch the man she loves go off and save the world, never knowing for sure if he'll have to make it back to her. Every holiday, every important moment in their lives, she knows that she may have to miss sharing that holiday or moment with her husband, because the world may need Superman more than she needs her husband.

ILL is never just "oh, this is so cool, go save the world while I have a big grin on my face at how awesome you are....". And it would unrealistic on her part to be that unselfish. Everyone human succombs to selfishness at some point or another.

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I think that Lois will probably try not to fall in love with him, but she won't be able to help it cuz, well, what girl can?

Yeah, I think sets up a roadblock for their romance in the future and helps answer the question that all Cloisers have: "Why won't Clark just tell Lois if he's already known her for so many years?" I can see this Clark Kent falling for Lois and then thinking that she'll reject him if she finds out he's also Superman, because he saw her do that with Oliver.

[myankskent]

Yeah, I think sets up a roadblock for their romance in the future and helps answer the question that all Cloisers have: "Why won't Clark just tell Lois if he's already known her for so many years?" I can see this Clark Kent falling for Lois and then thinking that she'll reject him if she finds out he's also Superman, because he saw her do that with Oliver.

Exactly. IMO, it makes no sense to turn Clark's decision to tell Lois the truth about himself into a no-brainer kind of decision in the future. TPTB have just made this decision for Clark that much harder and I love it.

[Kal-ed]

I think that Lois will probably try not to fall in love with him, but she won't be able to help it...


Its exactly the way it happens in comics and in LnC (I rememember THLois saying something about not dating coworkers) and in movies.

[dunkman]

Lois will end up with Superman when the time is right, but she's not ready yet. Some time has to go by so she can forget what Clark looks like without glasses. He's not nearly nerdy enough yet!

[HowardFilms]

If Lois and Clark can't make it, we are all royally screwed.

[smallvillelogan]

This episodes marks the first time I've actually felt sympathetic for Lois. GA is a great guy for her, but she sacrifices him because he has greater responsibilities. For this, I really did feel sorry for her.
People who say this means that by 'Smallville' standards Supes can't be with Lois are wrong, because he can save the world and then has the abilities like speed to be able to be with her enough. This was Lois' problem with Oliver as GA, that he wouldn't be there enough for her. But Clark can with his abilities.
Also, Lois will continue to grow as a person and realize that she can sacrifice her man part of the time for the betterment of the world. And then, when they marry and she knows his secret (like in the comics), then they can be together all the time at the Daily Planet. So her future situation with Clark is much different than her situation with Oliver.

[TaraLittle]

I believe that its IRONY. It happens all the time in other movies and books, so Clois fans, Clois will be together in the future, just not on Smallville. I'm just happy with the friendship that they have and their banter they throw between each other, however, I think that they would make the best couple on Smallville....sigh !!! :):):)

[Lara Lane]

Um really, isn't it like asking... will the apple fall on Newton's head and he'll discover gravity? Or will Galileo be proven right and show that the earth does spin around the sun?

I mean, come on, we all know how the story goes...

[supes0]

Or will Galileo be proven right and show that the earth does spin around the sun?

I mean, come on, we all know how the story goes...

:rotfl:

Well... it took a long long time for some people to admit Galileo was right:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13618460.600-vatican-admits-galileo-was-right-.html

[Lara Lane]

:rotfl:

Well... it took a long long time for some people to admit Galileo was right:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13618460.600-vatican-admits-galileo-was-right-.html

Yeah :p Can we make a parallel comparison seasons/centuries? :p

[paolinki25]

Like I said before, it's just a badly-written Clois anvil. The way I see it, it's exactly the tribulations she's gone through in her relationships what prepares her to accept Clark and the man he's destined to become.

[ShelbyKent]

:rotfl:

Well... it took a long long time for some people to admit Galileo was right:
] And wasn't he ex-communicated first? :lol:

[OliviaB]

When GA first appeared their relationship was immediately seen as a big future anvil, their break-up isn't any less. She wasn't being ironic when she said she couldn't handle it, she was being truthful. Of all the ways to go in breaking them up permanently - a difference of opinion, she not willing to give up her life in Metropolis they go with her not being able to handle having a hero for a boyfriend. Biggest anvil yet that she can't handle the pressure and the sacrifices of being with a "hero".

[Kal-ed]

Like I said before, it's just a badly-written Clois anvil. The way I see it, it's exactly the tribulations she's gone through in her relationships what prepares her to accept Clark and the man he's destined to become.

So then why is it badly writen??? you just said it yourself, seems you got what most of us did out of it, so how does that mean it was badly writen. It was an Ironic Anvil that a lot of us got. And it is the tribulation she will go through, we know this from canon, so I really dont see, again, respectfully,if almos everyone (without an anti Clois agenda) got the irony, why exactly do you think it was badly written... its probably one of the best writen scenes in Smallville Clois history.

[jetsfan1970]

I think that when she broke down she got to the heart of the matter. Lois has abandonment issues from when she was a small girl. Even though she knows with her head that the General had good reasons for not putting her first, she is deeply wounded.

In an odd way a lot of what Lois said seemed to echo things that Lana was never well adjusted enough to realize about herself. When Lois said that part about looking into someone's eyes and knowing that they'll always choose the world over you... or something like that, Wow! I thought of Lana. OK no I didn't, on third viewing I did. LOL!

So I don't think it has to do with the dual identity as much as being abandoned. If there's anything that is certain about Lois and Superman/Clark, it's that he's unquestionably devoted to being there for her when she needs him. Oliver leaves her behind. He was serious about trying to meet up on weekends etc.

exactly in the superman mythos lois had always gone to clark for support/friendship and knowing he was the one person who would not abandon her no matter what happened although she was in love/lusted after superman and when she startedto realize that they were the same person she then started to accept that he would always be there for her even though he was still out there saving the world

[LoisL]

Irony or tragedy?
It's kinda like the old Clex friendship or Clark's humble desire to spend his life in SV!Clana.
Lois, like all the other characters, has to struggle en route to destiny. It sounds so perfect: married to Superman! But there will always be a burden that comes with that, whether the wife is Lana, Chloe, or Lois. What the mythos and pop culture tells us is that despite her abundant human frailty, Lois is the one woman in the world(s) strong enough and ultimately desirable enough to Clark/Superman to make the relationship work like a law of nature.

It's not going to happen soon. Clark is closer to other women right now at his (and Lois') current level of maturity or station in life. We know it will require the finished product of grownup Clark & Lois before the irresistable match is made.

[Krypton935]

i say irony

[Kara_Zor-El]

Actually, it's both Irony and fact. It's Irony because we know that she'll end up with Superman in the furture, but it's fact for now because when we firts meet Lois Lane in the future, she wants nothing to do with dating and especially superhero dating. She doesn't liek complications. And after her break up with Ollie, no, I don't think she can handle it. It isn't until she meets and falls head over heels for Supes that her world is turned upside down and all those "rules" go right out the window.

[Jade4813]

When GA first appeared their relationship was immediately seen as a big future anvil, their break-up isn't any less. She wasn't being ironic when she said she couldn't handle it, she was being truthful. Of all the ways to go in breaking them up permanently - a difference of opinion, she not willing to give up her life in Metropolis they go with her not being able to handle having a hero for a boyfriend. Biggest anvil yet that she can't handle the pressure and the sacrifices of being with a "hero".

They didn't break up because of a difference of opinion. They broke up because Lois knew that Ollie would never put her first in any way...and she couldn't deal with being with a person for whom she was only an afterthought. I mean, when he left to chase down BC, he didn't even bother to untie her first. When he broke up with her, he seemed to have even forgotten that she was coming until she was at his doorstep. With Oliver, everything was second to being the Green Arrow.

Clark won't be like that with Lois. Even though he may have to go save the world, on a personal level, he always puts Lois first.

And it wasn't that Lois wasn't willing to give up her life in Metropolis (where did that come from, anyway?). She wasn't willing to be his "weekend girlfriend" - and I ask you, who would? Oliver's hot and all, but would anyone jump on the bandwagon, knowing that you MIGHT get your boyfriend on weekends and when it's convenient for him, but for the big things, there's no way he'll be there for you?

It's totally unrealistic to assume that Lois - or anyone - would never have a problem being with Superman. (And, I hate to point this out for all those Chloisers, but even IF that theory were true - which it isn't - then future!Chloe would have a hard time being with Superman too. Because that's part of the story, that's canon. Lois and Clark have to both learn how to juggle both their private lives and the insanely public superhero one. And sometimes it's hard to let the person you love fly off and leave you alone when you need him there, even when you know there's a good reason he left.) CLARK has a hard time being Superman, having to leave his wife behind sometimes. Why should his wife have any easier of a time.

And, frankly, if she were always like, "Yeah! Go! Leave me here. Take your time. Whatever!" I'd think that she didn't like her husband very much. And that's not what Superman's relationship with Lois is about.

The bottom line is that it's hard to be a superhero, and it's hard to be married to one. It's not just Superman - almost every superhero has this dilemma. The personal life v. the superhero one. The sacrifices that have to be made, the lies that have to be told, even to the people you love the most because you have this greater calling you have to follow. And as hard as it is for the hero himself to have to make that call, it's no easier for the person waiting at home. (I tried to explore this in a fanfic that I've now posted here, for anyone who's curious. It's "November" of The Year of a Relationship.)

As I've said before. Lois doesn't think she could handle this now, because she thinks that being with a superhero would ALWAYS be that way. She would always be second. Because she's never been in a relationship that shows that these two things aren't mutually exclusive, she can't fathom that it exists. Once she and Clark get together, she'll learn that just because the man you love has a heavy responsibility to live up to doesn't mean he's going to leave you behind.

And as for Clark running off to Lana...well, I think that's been a theme of their entire relationship. In large part, Clark turns back to Lana because he thinks if he can't make it work with her, he can't make it work with anyone. It's trapping yourself in a relationship that isn't working because it's better than nothing, or it's better than being alone. I mean, that's something that regular people do - and when a relationship ends, they wonder if they lost their last best shot at love. And Clark has that whole "alien" factor to bear in mind. It just reminds me of an old Sports Night quote, where it was said (paraphrasing!), "I can understand why a woman would think that any man is better than nothing. I will never understand how any woman would think she has nothing."

[jazel]

Miss Lois Lane is full of contradictions, which is why watching her, is SO much fun.;)

[kryptonaidxh]

I believe that its IRONY. It happens all the time in other movies and books, so Clois fans, Clois will be together in the future, just not on Smallville. I'm just happy with the friendship that they have and their banter they throw between each other, however, I think that they would make the best couple on Smallville....sigh !!! :):):)

good point., it´s the same when Lois told she never would be a journalist, and here we have her in the Daily Planet in her road to become the star famous reporter:)("journalism? kill me first")
Also we have Clark too, saying that he won´t follow Jor-el´s master plan to take his training and leave the farm and SV ´cause he´s still stucked in his stupid fairy tale., and anyway we know how the story ends: he finally will follow Jor-el´s plans and he will become Superman.
my point?: nobody can escape from the destiny, and so Clark and Lois, the destiny or future has plans for them together and no matter how many times they deny it, the´re destinied to end in love and be soulmates.:)

[SteveS]

It's a fact and her telling Clark this means he won't get to close to Lois.


Yep, this version of a lois has problems emotionally and will never be able to adjust to the dual identity thing, plus she wants the superhero with her all the time and it ain't going to happen. His destiny is far, far greater than hers. She should find someone on her own level, maybe a Richard White type character, then she can live happily ever after.

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Besides, with lois' "abandonment issues", the fact that Superman leaves her for 5 years to go back to Krypton...scratch the comic book relationship, lois better stick with Richard.

[kryptonaidxh]

:)well we don´t care your delusional posts, and your fantasies:lol::lol:
the scene was beautiful and Lois was great!, that´s why someday Clark will end in love with her, and married with Lois:)so get over it honey:)

[theotherJane]

Honestly, SteveS, you try sooo hard these days. :lol:

[msleggie]

I know it's true that Lois can't handle the whole duel identity thing, b/c it's been said in the Superman movies and in the comics ( 1 or 2 different versions), but it's still a little sad to hear her say it, and to know what the future holds 4 the 2 of them.

[Jade4813]

*begins to worry if she's missed something*

Hmmmm.....

*cracks open a comic book*

Wedding ring...Clark and Lois in bed together..."Mr. Lane" (heehee! Love that!)..."Lois is still the only one"...kissing again..."All I need...is for you to hold me...tight." "For a thousand years, Lois...For a thousand years."

Okaaaaaaaaaay...yup. Everything's just as I remember.

Clearly, Lois just can't handle that secret! :rotfl:

[darkone]

Well in a comic maybe.But when I watch the movies especially SR this scene makes total sense IMO.I think it's both irony and fact.But that counts for probably every future romantic relationship in Clark's life.

[SteveS]

:)well we don´t care your delusional posts, and your fantasies:lol::lol:
the scene was beautiful and Lois was great!, that´s why someday Clark will end in love with her, and married with Lois:)so get over it honey:)


Sorry, honey, you won't see Lois married to Superman on screen again, better stick to comic book fantasties and 10 year old Lois & Clark DVDs.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Knock it off both of you or I'll report you to the mods.

I hate when someone gets on Lois for a trait that 'I' have, but I can see where others are coming from. It could be taken to 'how can Lois ever have a relationship with Clark if she feels this way?'

I see it as the insecurity of woman that has been 'second best' 'second place' too many times over, and it can be argued (as much as I LOVE Lolliepop) that Oliver didn't offer her much in the way of reassurance, and we saw how quickly he began flirting with Black Canary, LITERALLY moments after Lois rejected him. He told Lois back in 'Justice' that he did care about her, but when she said not to expect her to be waiting when he came back he admitted that he might not be back for awhile. Then in 'Siren' all he can offer her is 'maybe' weekends.

I don't want to use canon arguments in a heavily non-canon show, but going off what I know from that and the fact that likely we won't see romantic Clois beyond the mentions of its future (and YES this show does hint at that future, amongst other things that duel against it. The continual game this show plays with the minds of its viewers) so it's really all a moot point but . . . it can be argued that Clark has superspeed, Lois won't be relegated to weekends and by the time they are in a relationship both of them will have grown and matured. Love isn't suppose to be easy, you have to work for it.

I can't tell you how many times I've tried to dump my current love interest because I was scared that one day he'd dump me, one day I'd get left behind. So I did what Lois did, I attempted to cut off my ties to that person. To be honest I would've like to see Oliver try a little harder to convince her, but he didn't, and won't be until someone DOES fight to win Lois' heart that she'll be able to fully give it to someone.

I suppose it can be taken as irony, but really, I thought it was a genuine moment of friendship between Clark and Lois. It was one of their nicest scenes to-date. I think it's a fact of Lois' life, but to say that she'll be forever run down by it is not only ridiculous it is unfair. People grow, people move on and people sometimes need to be PUSHED in the right direction. I know I've had to be dragged back from my precipice, sometimes screaming and crying, so as someone that has walked many a mile in Lois' shoes I understand this character trait implicitly.

Other posters aren't being silly for bringing up the comics, though I don't think anyone should be arguing canon on THIS show, because this is a character trait that SV!Lois and Comics!Lois share, so since Comics!Lois moved past it, it most certainly isn't ridiculous to think that SV!Lois can do the same.

[freefall]

Heck, even the Clois in the comics went through a broken engagement period for those very same issues. Clark still didn't love her enough to assure her that she'd be as important as the world itself. Only when he decided to fight back and make her trust him that he wouldn't make her as the second place, it made me believe they could indeed make this work.


I see it as the insecurity of woman that has been 'second best' 'second place' too many times over, and it can be argued (as much as I LOVE Lolliepop) that Oliver didn't offer her much in the way of reassurance, and we saw how quickly he began flirting with Black Canary, LITERALLY moments after Lois rejected him. He told Lois back in 'Justice' that he did care about her, but when she said not to expect her to be waiting when he came back he admitted that he might not be back for awhile. Then in 'Siren' all he can offer her is 'maybe' weekends.

He didn't even think of at least untying Lois. Oliver Queen can be so dense and inconsiderate sometimes. Then again, it's not really that far off from his characterization in the comics, he got a whole lot of problems in his relationship with Dinah too.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Heck, even the Clois in the comics went through a broken engagement period for those very same issues. Clark still didn't love her enough to assure her that she'd be as important as the world itself. Only when he decided to fight back and make her trust him that he wouldn't make her as the second place, it made me believe they could indeed make this work.

Quite so. Lori Lemaris was the 'cause' behind one of their spats if I recall . . . but Clark finally decided Lois was the one he wanted, the one he wanted to fight for, and Lois decided she loved Clark enough to set aside her insecurities and let herself be loved.

Awwww!

Don't want this to become a Clois shipper thread, but if comics!Lois can find a 'super' man to make her feel secure enough to be loved the way she wants, then so can SV!Lois. And I'll be rooting for lady all the way.

If it doesn't work out . . . she can always come hang out with me. ;) *sends kisses Lois' direction*

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He didn't even think of at least untying Lois. Oliver Queen can be so dense and inconsiderate sometimes. Then again, it's not really far off from his characterization in the comics, he got a whole lot of problems in his relationship with Dinah too.

Yeah no joke. I LOVE this Oliver and I LOVE LOVE LOVE Lolliepop, but yeah. He and Lois are so similar in a lot of ways.

Liberal/Liberal
Hard@ss/Hard@ass
Stubborn/Stubborn
Mouthy/Mouthy
Difficult/Difficult
EmotionallyGuarded/EmotionallyGuarded . . .

maybe that's why it can't work . . . they are similar in enough ways but are they different enough? HMM

But really, if people think the Clana relationship on Smallville is a roller coaster, than I hope you don't get motion sickness if you plan on reading about Dinah and Oliver.

Flirting Rivals > Friends With Benefits > Lovers > Dating Lovers > Going Steady > Broken Up > Flirting Rivals > Lovers > Broken Up > Going Steady > On Hiatus > STILL On Hiatus > Dating Lovers > Broken Up > Seeing Other People > Friends With Benefits > On Hiatus . . . then FINALLY MARRIED, but we'll see how long that lasts.

Bruce is making jokes at the league that they shouldn't unwrap all their wedding gifts just yet. :P

But yes, Lois just isn't ready to really open her heart to someone fully. She admitted that Grant was her way of trying to move on. Kinda figured when he didn't get a goodbye kiss. I don't know if we'll see this Clark and this Lois together, I don't think so BUT I do think that it's possible and certainly don't believe that Lois is doomed to a loveless life, and neither is Clark. They both have the ability to be in and maintain a wonderfully full romantic relationship . . . it's the when/where/who that isn't so certain.

Even though TH!Lois was my least favorite, and not-so-oddly enough the previous Lois incarnation least similar to SV!Lois, she also had a VERY similar problem. In season one a lot of fans were critizising her over her treatment of Clark, but hers were the actions of a woman that had her heart in a steel trap, and it took a MAN of Steel to open it. I think the same thing goes for SV!Lois, though I don't think we'll see that on the show, I think it still holds true. Doesn't keep me from carrying a Lolliepop torch in the meantime. I'm writing Lolliepop fics exclusively now . . . plenty of material yet to work with still. ;)

[kryptonaidxh]

:)it was awesome!, Clark and his future wife talking about love and their pains. wow! it was really simbolic!:)
why settle for a green leather boy when Lois will have his Superman?:) and we know she will:), the same that Clark: why staying with the crapy bycicle? whe he will have his motorcycle:) that one he has saved all his life for.:)
Clark and Lois= future Mr. and Mrs. Kent:)

[Doright]

Well in a comic maybe.But when I watch the movies especially SR this scene makes total sense IMO.I think it's both irony and fact.But that counts for probably every future romantic relationship in Clark's life.

Smallville Lois "I can't handled being left behind again."

Superman Returns Clark "I'll always be around Lois."




Smallville Lois "I can't handle a man who will put the world before me" (paraphrased)

Superman the movie Clark... "hell with the world. I'lll spin it backwards to save Lois."


mmmm.... Food for thought if you doubt it will work in the movies as well.

[Dor el]

I have to wonder if the Lois and Clark scene is what convinced Clark that maybe he should give Clana another chance. I got the impressions that he was ready to part ways with her, but then Lois let him know how difficult it is for a girl to love a hero type guy who leads a "two sided left" like Clark must live. Not only did her little speech summarize her feelings regarding her and Ollie, but also Clark and Lana. Shortly after that Lois/Clark encounter, Clark was all "I'm not perfect either" and "let's not give up just yet, but no promises mind you..." And of course, her speech captured much of what her future holds with Clark. The more I thought about that scene the more significance it held.

[berniepooh]

Maybe she isn't ready for all that NOW, but she will be one day.

I agree with you completely. For me the striking dialog was Clark telling Lois "Just because someone has a great responsibility does not mean you have to come second in their life...(or something like that!").
And Lois explains "Of course it does."

Lois fears this type of commitment because she understands the price that must be paid to make it work. She's been there and knows first hand the dynamic of a relationship with someone whose destiny is far greater than your own. It is not for the weak of heart, or the self-centered. It requires flexibility and giving on an emotional level to an almost super human extent.

This was a well written scene. I wouldn't call it irony. Rather, I'd say the writers were using foreshadowing to support and illuminate the strain on Lana and Clark's relationship. It made clear why Lana is not intended to become Clark's lifelong partner. Lana preferred the Bizarro Clark because he did put Lana first. Bizarro is NOT the precursor of Superman. Lana does not have the inner strength and fortitude to be Clark's life partner.

[double L]

She should find someone on her own level, maybe a Richard White type character, then she can live happily ever after.

:lol: So are you new to Superman mythology?

[jazel]

*begins to worry if she's missed something*

Hmmmm.....

*cracks open a comic book*

Wedding ring...Clark and Lois in bed together..."Mr. Lane" (heehee! Love that!)..."Lois is still the only one"...kissing again..."All I need...is for you to hold me...tight." "For a thousand years, Lois...For a thousand years."

Okaaaaaaaaaay...yup. Everything's just as I remember.

Clearly, Lois just can't handle that secret! :rotfl:

:lol:
thanks hun, that was awesome !

[LovelyLoisLane]

She should find someone on her own level, maybe a Richard White type character, then she can live happily ever after.


Besides, with lois' "abandonment issues", the fact that Superman leaves her for 5 years to go back to Krypton...


Ya know, I thought Grant might have turned out to be SV's version of SR character 'Richard White' Would have made both non-Lois fans and SV!Lois fans happier I think, but it didn't work out that way.

Though I don't think Lois needs someone exactly like her. It's like what I said in a 'how do you know you're in love' thread. I don't buy into people having to be compatible on every freaking level to make it work, just as people who are TOO different can't work. However I feel that it has to be somewhere in between for it to last. You have to be able to be similar enough to get along, but different enough to make it interesting.

Superman leaves her for five years . . . and comes back to Lois. AFTER being offered sex from Wonder Woman (which he respectfully declined) You've admitted yourself that you don't read many comics, so I don't expect you to be as familiar with Clois there as you are here. Don't get me wrong, not everyone of the comic fans likes Clois either, but it's been withstanding the test of time for decades upon decades. I ADORE comics!Clois. I feel the same way about them as I do Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle . . . they were made for eachother and there is no substitute.

That is not to say it's the same thing here in the massive Alternate Universe (AU) that is Smallville. I do think though, that you have to be able to get along in order to have a friendship, and though I'm not throwing in with the SV!Clois shippers just yet, that scene went a small ways towards a horizon we are all familiar with. Not sure if it will lead to romance in Smallville or not, probably not, but I do think Clark is not only learning from his own mistakes, but Lois' mistakes as well.

[Kal-ed]

Actually, considering SR was a vague sequel (Singer´s words not mine) and the fact that there is a 90% chance it gets rebooted, I wouldnt count SR and Superman leaving for 5 years too seriously, actually its one of the main reason most Superman fans (not only comic book fans, but in general) were irked with the movie, its something Superman wouldnt do; it would be like making a movie about Hitler and having a scene where he takes a bullet meant for a Jew, it´s just simply an inacurate depiction. As its been said before, SV may reference diferent medias like STAS, LnC or the movies but its its own universe.

[berniepooh]

Actually, considering SR was a vague sequel (Singer´s words not mine) and the fact that there is a 90% chance it gets rebooted, I wouldnt count SR and Superman leaving for 5 years too seriously, actually its one of the main reason most Superman fans (not only comic book fans, but in general) were irked with the movie, its something Superman wouldnt do; it would be like making a movie about Hitler and having a scene where he takes a bullet meant for a Jew, it´s just simply an inacurate depiction. As its been said before, SV may reference diferent medias like STAS, LnC or the movies but its its own universe.

I have to disagree. The concept of Kal El being called to take an Everyman pilgrimage to what remains of Krypton seemed long overdue and very much a plausible choice for Clark Kent/Kal El. It made perfect sense to me because it corrected the avenue of past stories painting him as though he did not share human needs for emotional and psychological closure when dealing with the death of loved ones, or in his case the genocide of his people. The character is Kryptonian first and foremost, and his previous callus disregard for his people's cataclysmic end has been a character flaw that Superman Returns addressed. His need to visit their graveyard renewed his appeal as a caring and tender character. It reinforced the validity of his emotional vulnerability despite his superhuman strength.

Perhaps it's because I'm older now. I've lost enough people in my life to realize that mourning those who die, even the ones that don't touch our lives daily actually makes us stronger individuals. It is also an important part of connecting us all together.

For example; if you are a US citizen you are linked to the framers of the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. You might not see yourself as connected to them in any way, but the colonialists that fought our Revolutionary War, started a way of life that is now the fabric of our lives. Each individual in the US is a part of the same incredible tapestry. We can't really understand who we are today without understanding what those men and women fought for and why they took such incredible risks against the strongest government on earth (at that time).

In a way Kal El came of age in SR when he allowed himself to visit his homeland. Much like Malcolm X's visit to the Middle East, and Alex Haley's visit to Africa. Such trips are nothing to scoff at as they transform how people define themselves.

Like I said....I've gotten older. I like to have fun on this site usually, so this will be my heavy philosophical entry for the month of February. And now...back to the fluffy stuff I usually write about.
:cool:

[Kal-ed]

Abandoning the world in the off chance that Krypton might have survied, which had a big if, is something Superman wouldnt do.

Now the middle east was not destroyed and neither was africa so its safe to say Malcom x and Alex Haley´s pilgramages werent highly potencially pointless, nor would they take them 5 years.

Lets be honest here, the ONLY reason Superman left in SR, was as a Plot device/excuse to call the movie Superman Returns cause the franchise was gone for over 20 years (not counting SIII and SIV), there was no philosophy nor message in it, there was no profound analisis in the movie about him leaving, he just did so the movie title could have both a story and a meta sense to it.

I like you´r analisis but I think Id have to skip it in this instance basically cause I do not atribute half the depth you used, to Brian Singer, he rehashed plotpoint to plotpoint Superman one, I sincerily doubt he thought of Malcom X or some historical pilgramage back to the origin land, he was looking for an excuse to name the movie Superman Returns and so he made him go away, btw after being involved in a relationship with Lois Lane (at the very least a sexual one) and didnt even bother to say goodbye, that my friend is something Superman would never do

[EricaIsGr8t]

I have to wonder if the Lois and Clark scene is what convinced Clark that maybe he should give Clana another chance. I got the impressions that he was ready to part ways with her, but then Lois let him know how difficult it is for a girl to love a hero type guy who leads a "two sided left" like Clark must live. Not only did her little speech summarize her feelings regarding her and Ollie, but also Clark and Lana. Shortly after that Lois/Clark encounter, Clark was all "I'm not perfect either" and "let's not give up just yet, but no promises mind you..." And of course, her speech captured much of what her future holds with Clark. The more I thought about that scene the more significance it held.

I got the exact same impression, especially when Clark said "...not everyone can handle the double side of life I live" . I think he got scared that if he let Lana go he wouldn't be able to find someone who can deal with his secret. Lois kinda spooked the guy I think!!!

[LoisL]

I got the exact same impression, especially when Clark said "...not everyone can handle the double side of life I live" . I think he got scared that if he let Lana go he wouldn't be able to find someone who can deal with his secret. Lois kinda spooked the guy I think!!!

But like Jade pointed out, Clark has ALWAYS been spooked back to Clana. *wry smile* Whether it was Khyla dying, Alicia dying, his family leaving him, Lex turning her evil, he's always been scared into giving Clana another shot. Destiny? maybe. I'm not trying to annoy Clana fans. There are all kinds of ways at looking at it but from someone not-so-enamoured with the angsty pair, fear of being left behind describes not only Lana and Lois but also Clark Kent. Not so surprising when you realize that most humans share it.

I still got annoyedat that line you quoted though. :lol: I was like Clark, don't you dare insinuate that Lois is not up to something Lana is re: loving Superman. It's quite the opposite, I assure you! Oh well, more irony, I know...

[TaraLittle]

good point., it´s the same when Lois told she never would be a journalist, and here we have her in the Daily Planet in her road to become the star famous reporter:)("journalism? kill me first")
Also we have Clark too, saying that he won´t follow Jor-el´s master plan to take his training and leave the farm and SV ´cause he´s still stucked in his stupid fairy tale., and anyway we know how the story ends: he finally will follow Jor-el´s plans and he will become Superman.
my point?: nobody can escape from the destiny, and so Clark and Lois, the destiny or future has plans for them together and no matter how many times they deny it, the´re destinied to end in love and be soulmates.:)

We also have to remember how in "Crimson" (LOVED the Clois in that eppi!!! Sorry, back to what I was saying!!!) Anyways, like in "Crimson", after Jimmy gets the reverse potion to break Lois from the spell, the lady (can't remember her name) said that she usually has a sixth sense and said that Lois and Clark's destines are more intertwined than they know!!! Plus, now that the writers strike is over, meaning that we get 5-6 more episodes, maybe we can actually see those feelings Clark has for Lois, and maybe FINALLY the Clana will end for good!!! We'll just have to wait and see!!! :):):)

[svtwamedfan05]

Irony. Its a very common Lois Lane fear that has been discussed in EVERY SINGLE INCARNATION OF LOIS LANE!!! She will grow up and will be able to handle it once Superman comes along.

[dcmarriott]

I think it's more than just irony. This is Lois and Clark early in life, and they both have a lot of growing up to do before they become the adults that we all know.

I think the important thing in that scene was that Lois was actually thinking about what it would mean to be in a relationship with a superhero. She showed tremendous insight. The fact that she already understands how difficult it will be to be with someone with a dual identity suggests that someday, when she has matured, she will be able to accept it and live with it. Contrast Lois's situation with Lana's. Lana repeatedly said that it wouldn't matter to her if Clark was meteor-infected, and she is now finding out that it matters a great deal. It seems to me that Lana will ultimately realize that she can't live with Clark's dual identity; Lois will realize that she can.

The other intersting thing about that scene was that Lois and Clark seemed so comfortable sharing their private thoughts. It showed how much their relationship has grown. You got the feeling that someday, Clark will be able to share his secret with Lois, rather than waiting for her to discover it for herself.

[TaraLittle]

I think it's more than just irony. This is Lois and Clark early in life, and they both have a lot of growing up to do before they become the adults that we all know.

I think the important thing in that scene was that Lois was actually thinking about what it would mean to be in a relationship with a superhero. She showed tremendous insight. The fact that she already understands how difficult it will be to be with someone with a dual identity suggests that someday, when she has matured, she will be able to accept it and live with it. Contrast Lois's situation with Lana's. Lana repeatedly said that it wouldn't matter to her if Clark was meteor-infected, and she is now finding out that it matters a great deal. It seems to me that Lana will ultimately realize that she can't live with Clark's dual identity; Lois will realize that she can.

The other intersting thing about that scene was that Lois and Clark seemed so comfortable sharing their private thoughts. It showed how much their relationship has grown. You got the feeling that someday, Clark will be able to share his secret with Lois, rather than waiting for her to discover it for herself.


I agree with you. Lois and Clark do share their own private thoughts together. Even if Lois may not completly underatand why Clark broods and the things he says (What I mean is that Clark tells Lois how he feels without giving away his secret). But Lois understands that there is a good reason for that, but she doesn't push the fact because she wouldn't want someone to do the same on her. Does that make sense anyone???:confused::confused::confused:

[Jade4813]

I agree with you. Lois and Clark do share their own private thoughts together. Even if Lois may not completly underatand why Clark broods and the things he says (What I mean is that Clark tells Lois how he feels without giving away his secret). But Lois understands that there is a good reason for that, but she doesn't push the fact because she wouldn't want someone to do the same on her. Does that make sense anyone???:confused::confused::confused:

I like that scene right after she showed up where she started to try to get him to open up to her and he shut her down. So she walked to the other side of the room, opened her computer, and pretended like she was letting it go because she knew even then that he was gonna 'fess up. And he did! :rotfl: Of course, I'm not saying they knew each other half as well then as they do now, but I do think it was cute how she had him pegged right then.

[AlwaysRight]

We also have to remember how in "Crimson" (LOVED the Clois in that eppi!!! Sorry, back to what I was saying!!!) Anyways, like in "Crimson", after Jimmy gets the reverse potion to break Lois from the spell, the lady (can't remember her name) said that she usually has a sixth sense and said that Lois and Clark's destines are more intertwined than they know!!! Plus, now that the writers strike is over, meaning that we get 5-6 more episodes, maybe we can actually see those feelings Clark has for Lois, and maybe FINALLY the Clana will end for good!!! We'll just have to wait and see!!! :):):)

great thing about the final 5 is there is going to be no Lana, so that means more Lois/Clark and Chloe/Clark time(i find scenes between those 2 and Clark always more entertaining(probably because it lacks the forced drama Clana has), although i prefer Lois a lil bit more.

[SGuthrie27]

This scene was totally irony, and it was very well acted by Erica Durance in my opinion.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--