Ears bleeding

[xrayvision]

Clark's ears should be invulnerable to Black Canary's scream. Her sound is not kryptonite, Kryptonian metal, or magic. Nor is it another alien being as powerful as him beating him up as was the case with Titan & Zod.

[WickedJenn]

Yeah but he has super hearing, his hearing is about 4 times (guesstimate) as sensitive as humans, thus it affecting him more.

[Superboy2]

Doesn't it hurt her enemies in the comics as well?

[Ardiem3]

With his superhearing, it means that hes more vulnerable to sounds. If he can hear a needle drop a mile away, a super roar from someones vocal cords could do some damage.

[Markd329]

With his superhearing, it means that hes more vulnerable to sounds. If he can hear a needle drop a mile away, a super roar from someones vocal cords could do some damage.


Also, it was the first time he encountered something like that. Now, Clarkie knows the next time he shuts his hearing off!

[clana4everfan2]

I didn't think that her scream could hurt Clark? Or cause him to bleed only if his powers were weakened or Green Krypton. It just doesn't make sense... Anyone want to explain this further?

[WickedJenn]

It can because of his hearing being so sensitive. Notice how he was affected by it the most. No one else's ears are as sensitive.

[MidgardDragon]

Comic book superheroes with super-strength make Clark bleed. Comic book super-heroine with super voice powers should make Clark's ears bleed. Easy as pie.

[WickedJenn]

Kind of reminds me of a dog whistle, we can't hear it, but dogs can, and profoundly at that.

It's the best analogy I can come up with.

[wolverine316]

Clark's ears should be invulnerable to Black Canary's scream. Her sound is not kryptonite, Kryptonian metal, or magic. Nor is it another alien being as powerful as him beating him up as was the case with Titan & Zod.

Clark has superhearing. Of course he will be affected by her scream. Use your head.

[clana4everfan2]

Thanks I don't know much about Black Canary or her comic book stuff. I was a Supergirl fan and liked Wonder Woman too. haha . :)

[WickedJenn]

Esp. with Canary's cry being supersonic, it's no wonder about Clark's hearing.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

That was bound to happen anyways.

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oh, 500th post.:)

[MetroGirl06]

Clark isn't invulnerable, hes just a bit harder to penetrate :p
Supersonic frequency scream + super sensitive hearing = "OMG MA' EARS R BLEEDING!"

[jazzylg]

I think AMILES just amped her power up there with Darkseid or Phoenix, and de-powered clark down to slightly above human! So now clark is not just the only Kryptonian who can't fly, but despite the fact that he's absorbed more solar rays than all the rest of them, now his invulverbility is suspect.:confused:

[krpto]

well it her power does have to do with sound waves and clark has superhearing so I am sure it makes sence that her powers could hurt clark though I am sure with a good device or high grade of earplugs he could block out her power.

[jazzylg]

I already surmised that idea(about his super hearing). But to the point where his ears bleed? C'mon.

[MidgardDragon]

I think AMILES just amped her power up there with Darkseid or Phoenix, and de-powered clark down to slightly above human! So now clark is not just the only Kryptonian who can't fly, but despite the fact that he's absorbed more solar rays than all the rest of them, now his invulverbility is suspect.:confused:

Since this is the Smallville version of her and they chose how they wanted her powers to affect Clark. Since super-powered beings often make him bleed, it makes sense that a super-powered sound should make his ears bleed.

[jazzylg]

Sorry, I started another post about this. But anyway, like the 1st poster said, there's no kryptonite or magic. They must have amped her power up to Black Bolt(comic fans know who that is) to even put a dent through his impenatrable 'aura'(more comic fans tid-bits). Sensitivity to sound whatever. If that were true, his ears would bleed every time a 747 flew by or if he's standing too close to a train. The worst that should have happened is intense pain, but not enough power (unless she's secretly Galactus) to cause him injury. It goes to show that some of these writers aren't up on their superman lore. Clark kent is supremely de-powered by AMILES.

[jazzylg]

One word: copout! More abuse of my favorite character and show!

[litew8]

^ Yea, Clark/Superman can't take some person screaming? Making him momentarily deaf would have been better, if anything.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Details, details..... AlMiles never cared about them.

[xrayvision]

Yeah but he has super hearing, his hearing is about 4 times (guesstimate) as sensitive as humans, thus it affecting him more.

My main problem with this is what's to stop Lex or someone else from coming up with a device that would produce the same sonics as Black Canary's scream? As a matter of fact, he already did---Leviathan. Leviathan was actually worse, since it could not only shatter glass but tear a submarine in half. And it had no effect on Clark. There's an inconsistency there.

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Clark has superhearing. Of course he will be affected by her scream. Use your head.

He wasn't affected by Leviathan, which was much worse (could rip a submarine apart according to Aqua).

[Who]

Super hearing is not always a good thing.

[xrayvision]

Sorry, I started another post about this. But anyway, like the 1st poster said, there's no kryptonite or magic. They must have amped her power up to Black Bolt(comic fans know who that is) to even put a dent through his impenatrable 'aura'(more comic fans tid-bits). Sensitivity to sound whatever. If that were true, his ears would bleed every time a 747 flew by or if he's standing too close to a train. The worst that should have happened is intense pain, but not enough power (unless she's secretly Galactus) to cause him injury. It goes to show that some of these writers aren't up on their superman lore. Clark kent is supremely de-powered by AMILES.

I agree with this. I think he should have been in pain due to the noise. But the bleeding shouldn't have happened.

[litew8]

I think he should have momentarily went deaf. Maybe 15-30 seconds. Enough to cause him a personal distraction, throw him off guard - allowing for the enemy to get away or further damage.

[Who]

I was actually expecting him to be deaf for the rest of the episode. Then he would actually listen to Lana.
Perhaps Leviathon was in a frequency Clark couldn't hear?

[xrayvision]

Him being temporarily deaf would have been interesting. It could have been explained as his body's way of preventing damage to his ears (or preventing the pain from the loud noise).

[litew8]

^ hehe, nice. Defensive mech.

[svsabbiesv]

random...but I laughed when his ear was bleeding bc I'm sick and have 2 ear infections..I ran to my mom and said Clark has ear issues too lol

[Nospam]

I am sorry people, but it is nonsensical that Clark's ears should bleed from the Black Canary's cry considering that they have never bled from phenomena with equal or greater power, such as an explosion.

The fact his ears bled is inconsistent with Clark's powers.

[mcrumiller]

The fact that his ears bled is ridiculous and is just one example of the countless displays of cluelessness the producers and writers display. Our ears bleed because the pressure caused by external airwaves, when transduced through the ear canal, is sufficient enough to burst the membrane that we call our "ear drum."

Clark is, except when kryptonite is present, pretty much invulnerable. He wouldn't bleed if his eardrum were hit with a bullet (if you disagree, we're talking about a different Clark), and therefore there's NO WAY he would bleed from the pressure from Canary's sound waves (which provide a force astronomically lower than a bullet).

[Nospam]

The fact that his ears bled is ridiculous and is just one example of the countless displays of cluelessness the producers and writers display. Our ears bleed because the pressure caused by external airwaves, when transduced through the hole in our ears (the oval window for you biologists), is sufficient enough to burst the membrane that we call our "ear drum."

Clark is, except when kryptonite is present, pretty much invulnerable. He wouldn't bleed if his eardrum were hit with a bullet (if you disagree, we're talking about a different Clark), and therefore there's NO WAY he would bleed from the pressure from Canary's sound waves (which provide a force astronomically lower than a bullet).

This is precisely the argument I made in one of the Siren spoiler threads. Of course, everyone laughed at my suggestion without considering the point I was trying to make. :rolleyes:

[maryjanewatson]

Ya, it shouldn't of made his ears bleed. It should have only caused him pain. I'm telling you, smallville needs some serious fans out there helping them with their inconsistencies.

[LODGE4]

Ya, it shouldn't of made his ears bleed. It should have only caused him pain. I'm telling you, smallville needs some serious fans out there helping them with their inconsistencies.

Clark Kent is supposed to be Superman. Superman's ears don't bleed unless you stick a piece of kryptonite into them. This is Bullsh** !! Do you know what "invulnerable" means ?? Superman is invulnerable. Except for kryptonie and magic. Maybe the siren scream is magic. We'll find out. In the meantime, NO , Superman's ears do not bleed from a loud scream, his ears are invulnerable to sound - Superman has been caught in atom bomb explosions without his ears hurting, for chrissakes !!!!!

[Kal-alien]

Clark isn't invulnerable, hes just a bit harder to penetrate :p
Supersonic frequency scream + super sensitive hearing = "OMG MA' EARS R BLEEDING!"


QFT

[LODGE4]

Clark isn't invulnerable

HUH ????

You mean he's not Superman ????

Do you really think he needs "training" to become invulnerable ?

No way- He's been invulnerable since 1938 and he still is. It from being born on Krypton and living here on earth. Yellow sun, you know. No training necessary.

[kal-el_Girl]

It can because of his hearing being so sensitive. Notice how he was affected by it the most. No one else's ears are as sensitive.

I nodded in agreement when I saw that scene I think that he's hearing is "super" sensitive and I think that is was very real
:)

[ClarksGal]

Kind of reminds me of a dog whistle, we can't hear it, but dogs can, and profoundly at that.

It's the best analogy I can come up with.

Yeah I don't think anyone else actually heard something when she screamed. Ollie said there was some kind of strange deadness to the air or something, didn't he? I don't remember his exact words.

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Clark Kent is supposed to be Superman. Superman's ears don't bleed unless you stick a piece of kryptonite into them. This is Bullsh** !! Do you know what "invulnerable" means ?? Superman is invulnerable. Except for kryptonie and magic. Maybe the siren scream is magic. We'll find out. In the meantime, NO , Superman's ears do not bleed from a loud scream, his ears are invulnerable to sound - Superman has been caught in atom bomb explosions without his ears hurting, for chrissakes !!!!!

OK, but Clark's own abilities have hurt him in the past on Smallville. The reason he developed super-hearing in the firstplace took place when he accidentally blinded himself when his heat vision reflected off a meteor rock. He burned his own retinas. They healed, of course, but it makes sense if Clark's abilities hurt Clark.

I understand your point about invulnerability, and the nuclear explosion point is a good one too. But in this Smallville universe, there is already precedent for this type of thing. The question really is whether Clark could focus his hearing either way. For instance, can he make himself hear less? Nothing? If so, then he could control his reaction to BC's cry.

[Nospam]

We will just have to agree to disagree because I think Clark's ears bleeding in response to the Black Canary's power is utterly inconsistent with Clark's powers.

[litew8]

Yea, it makes MUCH MORE sense to have done what I contemplated and xrayvision's after-thought. Clark should have gone deaf momentarily. Allowing for the enemy to escape or cause further damage - throwing Clark off guard by having to adapt to the change in his senses. Him going deaf momentarily would have been a defensive mechanism his body initiates, only when there is reasonable cause - such as a powerful scream from an enemy.

[Nospam]

I agree. Pain and confusion.

[litew8]

^ Not so much pain. Actually, no pain. Just enough to throw him off balance for a brief (15-30 seconds) time. Enough to allow the enemy the upper hand. Sure, maybe a round-house kick out of nowhere - throwing Clark up against a wall (no pain though). Enough to escape to fight another day. If the enemy is going to escape regardless. That'd be much better than having Clark fall to the ground and bleed from his ears, like a big sissy.

[Nospam]

Fair enough.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Sorry but the fact that he is invulnerable to bullets does not mean he is invulnerable to all kinds of sound frequency especially when we are talking something as sensitive as an eardrum I don't care if he/she is Kriptonian or not.

[Timester]

He shouldn't bleed, simple as that. Even his internal organs are invulnerable. Clark was attacked by supersonic weapons in the past and he never bleed from his ears.

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Sorry but the fact that he is invulnerable to bullets does not mean he is invulnerable to all kinds of sound frequency especially when we are talking something as sensitive as an eardrum I don't care if he/she is Kriptonian or not.

The thing is he is. It's wrong what happened on the show.

[maryjanewatson]

Clark Kent is supposed to be Superman. Superman's ears don't bleed unless you stick a piece of kryptonite into them. This is Bullsh** !! Do you know what "invulnerable" means ?? Superman is invulnerable. Except for kryptonie and magic. Maybe the siren scream is magic. We'll find out. In the meantime, NO , Superman's ears do not bleed from a loud scream, his ears are invulnerable to sound - Superman has been caught in atom bomb explosions without his ears hurting, for chrissakes !!!!!

I agree, why are you yelling at me?! :(

[All about Clark]

Just an FYI: Even in L&C, Clark was vulnerable to the villian who used sound.

I don't think Leviathan used sound so much as sonar.

[RJLCyberPunk]

He shouldn't bleed, simple as that. Even his internal organs are invulnerable. Clark was attacked by supersonic weapons in the past and he never bleed from his ears.

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The thing is he is. It's wrong what happened on the show.
No he isn't in the comics books as well as in the Justice League cartoons we see that Superman ears have been hurt from time to time with sound weapons. And I recall in other incarnations of Superman TV shows this has happened as well is nothing new so sorry but you are wrong, moving along...

[Timester]

Just an FYI: Even in L&C, Clark was vulnerable to the villian who used sound.

I don't think Leviathan used sound so much as sonar.

But he didn't bleed in Walls of Sounds (yep, I remember the episode, it was the Murdoc/Penny Parker reunion ^^).

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No he isn't in the comics books as well as in the Justice League cartoons we see that Superman ears have been hurt from time to time with sound weapons. And I recall in other incarnations of Superman TV shows this has happened as well is nothing new so sorry but you are wrong, moving along...

Does he ever bleed? You are mixing what I said.

[Nospam]

Sorry but the fact that he is invulnerable to bullets does not mean he is invulnerable to all kinds of sound frequency especially when we are talking something as sensitive as an eardrum I don't care if he/she is Kriptonian or not.

Think about the logic of your statement. If a bullet transferring an enormous amount of kinetic energy cannot penetrate or damage Clark then how would a sound wave? There is nothing magical about sound waves and they are still kinetic energy.

[Maddie Van Horn]

her scream may not be kryptonite, but if she is meteor infected then her powers would affect him, if you remember the episode cool clark wasn't killed by having his body heat taken, but he was rendured unconcious for a few moments

[Timester]

Think about the logic of your statement. If a bullet transferring an enormous amount of kinetic energy cannot penetrate or damage Clark then how would a sound wave? There is nothing magical about sound waves and they are still kinetic energy.

Heck, Clark can go near the speed of light and to the bottom of the oceans and his ears don't bleed.

[Nospam]

Heck, Clark can go near the speed of light and to the bottom of the oceans and his ears don't bleed.

Also very true.

[queenelizabeth]

Mhmmm. It didn't really make sense, did it? I thought Clark was pretty much impervious to all things except magic and Kryptonite,

[Krypton935]

because of his superhearing is my guess

anyone know if this ever happened in the comics

[xrayvision]

I think they had a chance to make Clark progress more in this episode. By having him go temporarily deaf, he could have learned to work his superhearing to filter out certain sounds and protect his ears. This is one way for him to train. This small experience would have helped him out in the future.

[HalJordan4184]

Superhearing does not make Clark Kent's ears super sensitive. You are trying to apply a human limitation to a superhuman. Clark Kent (Superman) IS invulnerable. The Canary Cry is not something that can hurt Clark.

His superhearing is not like you or I turning up our hearing, and suddenly having sounds amplified a million times. Clark's superhearing, as it works in the comics at least, is simply a superior being, using his regular hearing. There is no turning superhearing on and off. If you think about that, that doesn't even make sense. How does Clark hear cries for help, if he has to turn his superhearing on and off and concentrate to hear things? Superman simply has a greater range of hearing than a human. He can hear things at far higher and lower frequency ranges, and he can hear over vastly greater distances. A train, sounds like a train. It's not like he could stand next to it, "turn on" his superhearing, and suddenly his head exploded because it's too much sound for him to take.

Should the other characters not be able to hear the Canary cry? Yes. It's too high of a frequency. Should Clark have heard a high pitched scream? Yes. However, it shouldn't hurt Clark. The Canary Cry can't vaporize mountains, or sublimate metals, or do anything on par with some of the other forces Clark can simply laugh off. There is no reason it should hurt him. His ears, are just as invulnerable as the rest of his body, adn the only reason this hurt him, was bad writing, and not understand how his powers work.

[jazzylg]

Oh what a firestorm of inconsistency these writers have spawned! It's getting to the point where the writers totally ignore what the basic principles of being from krypton means, when exposed to the yellow sun of earth. These issues of inconsistency seem to only apply to clark. As a means to punish both him and the fans, it seems. Amiles, I love you guys for giving us 7 years of pre-superman, but, as another poster stated, invulnerbility is not "trained", and it insults the intelligence of us devoted fans when you nationally televise such a snafu!:p

[Theshadow129x]

i hated the fact his ears bleeded because it didnt make sense. her cry didnt affect the others ears so it couldnt have effected him the way it did. plus im sure the guy wasnt stretching his ear muscle to hear how the cry sounded

[Blue screen of death]

clarks ears should have bled. Its called a hard lesson. He should now know that he should turn off the super hearing around BC or figure out someway to protect himself from her now. Why does superman get beat up thrown around and caught off guard? With that whole invulnerable thing he tends to walk right into things without really thinking much past that initial they can't really hurt me part. Its called the development of wisdom. Intelligence tells you its raining wisdom says get out of the rain stupid.

[jetsfan1970]

i have to agree there is no way her scream should have made his ears bleed. i could see disoriention/discomfort but knocking him down where she thought the fight was over and she had beaten superman? never

[Radioflyer]

With his superhearing, it means that hes more vulnerable to sounds. If he can hear a needle drop a mile away, a super roar from someones vocal cords could do some damage.
Unless he's expecting such an assault I guess he can guard against it by mentally shutting it out.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i kind of like making clark vulnerable to sound.
one of the things that makes superman plots bad, is that is he is just too powerful.

[last man of krypton]

^ Yea, Clark/Superman can't take some person screaming? Making him momentarily def would have been better, if anything.

This isn't "some person", this is the freakin' Black Canary. It's like asking "Clark can't outrun some kid?" when he's lost a race against The Flash.

[HalJordan4184]

Actually, it's not. Clark's superhearing, does not make his ears supersensitive. He can simply hear vastly more. It's also not one of those powers he can turn on and off, despite what smallville thinks. It's like human hearing, to the far extreme. He can hear over a vastly greater range of frequencies, and from farther away than any of us. However, it's not like it was portrayed here. If Clark is hearing a cry for help, or a pin drop from ten miles away, its not like if someone sneezes in the room he's in, his ears will bleed, because his ear drums exploded.

[last man of krypton]

That thought did occur to me during BC's scream, but I'm guessing that Clark was using superhearing at the time (maybe to listen to her heartbeat or other threats?).

EDIT: Never mind, I see what you're saying now.

(heh, just pictured someone sneezing and Clark collapsing to the floor in pain :lol:)

[litew8]

This isn't "some person", this is the freakin' Black Canary. It's like asking "Clark can't outrun some kid?" when he's lost a race against The Flash.

Please. You are comparing an ability versus damage. There's plenty of things Clark cannot do that others have been capable of. That isn't the point, and it isn't something I'd compare to, as you just did. The point being, Clark shouldn't have gotten hurt in the manner in which he did. And Black Canary is just some person in comparison to the Superman.

[ClarksGal]

Heck, Clark can go near the speed of light and to the bottom of the oceans and his ears don't bleed.

Yeah, that's true. I guess I hadn't really thought it through that far. I try not to dig too deeply with this show... :)

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Actually, it's not. Clark's superhearing, does not make his ears supersensitive. He can simply hear vastly more. It's also not one of those powers he can turn on and off, despite what smallville thinks. It's like human hearing, to the far extreme. He can hear over a vastly greater range of frequencies, and from farther away than any of us. However, it's not like it was portrayed here. If Clark is hearing a cry for help, or a pin drop from ten miles away, its not like if someone sneezes in the room he's in, his ears will bleed, because his ear drums exploded.


Well, but didnt' they make an entire episode about Clark learning how to control his superhearing in Smallville? Someone was zippering up their jacket and it seemed to cause him pain. Loud noises have definitely caused him pain the past. Kara covered her ears and said, "Make it stop!" when she first used her superhearing. By the end, Clark (and Kara) had to learn to control their hearing to block out certain sounds and hear others. If Clark can't control his hearing, then he wouldn't be able to hear someone talking blocks away because there would be too many other things for him to hear to get in the way, like cars, and humming refrigerators and anythign else that's making noise within those several blocks. He has to be able to focus his hearing.

And, I guess I don't truly understand the invulnerability thing. I mean, is it just the bleeding thing that shouldn't happen, or should he not feel pain at all? Because SV Clark definitely has felt him some pain.

[xrayvision]

Superhearing does not make Clark Kent's ears super sensitive. You are trying to apply a human limitation to a superhuman. Clark Kent (Superman) IS invulnerable. The Canary Cry is not something that can hurt Clark.

His superhearing is not like you or I turning up our hearing, and suddenly having sounds amplified a million times. Clark's superhearing, as it works in the comics at least, is simply a superior being, using his regular hearing. There is no turning superhearing on and off. If you think about that, that doesn't even make sense. How does Clark hear cries for help, if he has to turn his superhearing on and off and concentrate to hear things? Superman simply has a greater range of hearing than a human. He can hear things at far higher and lower frequency ranges, and he can hear over vastly greater distances. A train, sounds like a train. It's not like he could stand next to it, "turn on" his superhearing, and suddenly his head exploded because it's too much sound for him to take.

Should the other characters not be able to hear the Canary cry? Yes. It's too high of a frequency. Should Clark have heard a high pitched scream? Yes. However, it shouldn't hurt Clark. The Canary Cry can't vaporize mountains, or sublimate metals, or do anything on par with some of the other forces Clark can simply laugh off. There is no reason it should hurt him. His ears, are just as invulnerable as the rest of his body, adn the only reason this hurt him, was bad writing, and not understand how his powers work.

Well, that's what I've been saying. The way the writers have written Clark, they show him to be able to control the sensitivity level of his hearing. The main reason I suggested that he adjust his superhearing was because that's how he's written in this version, plus whenever they bring other heroes who are at odds with Clark, he has to get his butt kicked first and then stand up to them. Since his ears bleeding was their way of making him get his ass kicked, tuning the sensitivity down would be his way of winning in round 2 with the BC. It would be consistent with the way they've written his abilities, though it's not consistent with Superman's abilities in the comics mythos. But then again, the Clark Kent in this show is & will remain a far cry from the actual Superman.

This is why I hate when other heroes are introduced into the show. 9 times out of 10, they have to make Clark look bad by making him succumb to things he normally wouldn't be affected by just to promote the new hero being introduced. Bart beating him in the race was one thing that wasn't farfetched. I also liked the way they introduced Victor Stone. But AC, the Angel of Vengeance, Green Arrow, and Black Canary were all done poorly. They should keep this show about making Clark smart again like he was when it first began.

[smallvillerocks45]

I thought that Clark's ears bled because he is able to hear pin point sounds. As for there not being any kryptonite around, I just figured it was just one of those perks of having superpowers that are unrelated to Smallville's meteor showers. Remember Bart? He got super speed from lightning, not kryptonite, and he can run way faster than Clark. Maybe because Black Canary received her power by some other means, she can legitimately hurt Clark's ears.

[jazzylg]

Nope. Those who have actualy read a superman comic knows that if a nuke can barely singe his hair, and anything short of doomsday can actually make him bleed, The canary is just a 3rd stringer, amped up for creative writing purposes. Oh well, I've said enough about this. Note to AMILES: open up a superman comic for a change, you and your writers might learn something about the star character's abilities.:rolleyes:

[xrayvision]

Nope. Those who have actualy read a superman comic knows that if a nuke can barely singe his hair, and anything short of doomsday can actually make him bleed, The canary is just a 3rd stringer, amped up for creative writing purposes. Oh well, I've said enough about this. Note to AMILES: open up a superman comic for a change, you and your writers might learn something about the star character's abilities.:rolleyes:

Unfortunately, the star character has been treated like anything but that for a while now.

[HalJordan4184]

Actually, no, he wouldn't have too much background noise. By doing superhearing the way the show has, it makes it so that Clark can't actually listen for anything, otherwise the slightest noise anywhere near him, would cause his ear drums to burst.

The way they've written the power, they've ignored how hearing ACTUALLY works. Clark apparently, has giant, invisible amplifiers he can just turn on and off, that funnel directly into his head. This is not how superhearing has ever worked, and defies the basic biology behind hearing in general.

As far as the background noise, this is part of Superman that Smallville has again chosen to ignore. There is not too much noise, because his mind works far faster than ours, and can process millions of times the data ours could, much much faster than ours can. We hear too much background noise, because there is too much auditory data coming in for us to decipher. So, it becomes an unintelligable roar. Clark, with his superior mind, and abilities, can actually hear the individual sounds that make up the white noise to us. He can keep up with multiple conversations at the same time, because his brain is working fast enough to decipher all the info coming in. It's another of the "super" parts of how Clark Kent works.

On Smallville, he's just hooked up to a really big amplifier, that he can apparently turn on and off. And that's stupid.

[xrayvision]

^^Nicely put.

Basically a loud noise would annoy Superman as much as a bullets fired on him would. To a human a loud noise can shatter an eardrum just like a knife can puncture the skin. But just like knives and bullets have no effect on Superman, neither do loud noises since he doesn't feel the pain they cause. Someone would have to beat all the stored solar energy out of him while blocking the sun from recharging him to finally be able to bother him with sound, and that will never happen because someone who is powerful enough to do that wouldn't waste their time trying to kill him with sound. Doomsday beat the energy out of him but killed him by beating him to death.

[borednow]

It's interesting that unlike other times Clark actually heard something when Black Canary screamed. Black Canary's cry was called a Subsonic pulse, subsonic is anything below 20 Hz. Cows can hear lower then 20 Hz. Think about it.

[v3rlon]

Were talking about a character who is "momentarily daze" when caught in a supernova.

Back Canary vs Superman should make Bambi vs Godzilla look like a fair fight.

The only way Black Canary could beat Supes in a fight (without Kryptonite or magic AND some kind or surprise or treachery), would be if Superman were already dead at the beginning of the fight. Even then, she'd probably have less than a 50-50 chance.

Ears bleeding..bah.

[smallvillerocks45]

Interesting insights. I haven't read many Supes comics, and I had never heard of Black Canary prior to her arrival on Smallville. The saying holds true...you learn something new everyday.

I wonder what the writer's logic was then, when they made Clark's ears bleed.

[jazzylg]

I said I was done, but I couldn't help but chime in....The logic? Probaly like Bryan Singers, from just watching the superman movies, but only the non-donner sequels, the retarded Superman 3& the ridiculous (ugh) Superman 4:lol: Note:Superman 3 highlights- Gus Gorman creates kryptonite; Superman 4 highlights Lex Luthor Creates 'Nuclear Man' from a strand of Superman's hair, N-M scratches supes, supes loses his powers and turns into an old man, but wait, the magic green crystal just happens to be in his apartment(not the fortress) and he's good as new! One more thing: As much as I loved the 80's incredible hulk tv show, my 2 biggest pet peaves were his insurmountable underpowering. One, bullets could hurt him, and 2 he could barely jump a fence. Okay, that felt good, letting that out!

[Welling_is_pretty]

Interestingly enough Dinah has used her "Canary Cry" against Clark in the comics (I believe in pre-crisis) and it HAS hurt him. I don't remember issues or the exact plotline but I believe Dinah was under the hypnotic control of a villian (as were other members of the Justice League) and made to attack Superman. She uses her Canary Cry and it hurt Clark. His ears don't bleed, if I remember correctly, but he does clap his hands over them and shouts in pain. And he wasn't just previously actively using his superhearing. But then the question becomes...what activates Clark's superhearing? I mean, how--if he's not actively using his superhearing, can he hear it when Lois calls for help?

Anyway, at leat AlandMiles stuck to canon here having BC do this. Yay for contuinty of, you know, some kind!

[jazzylg]

It's all good..except for the blood:). Oh, one more thing.Anyone remember, season 4 I think, when Kyla, the skinwalker, described 'Naman', and clark fit the bill. Well, remember when they spoke of his abilities: "the strenght of 10 men and shooting fire from his eyes". Well, if he was just that strong, spiderman would clean his clock. And forget Darkseid or Doomsday. He's suppose to have the strenght of at least a million men(or more) in the comics, especially if he's strong enough to lift a mountain range! But, I degress once again. This is smallville, where the writers must lower his power level to meet 'realistic' expectations.

[xrayvision]

^^That Naman thing (from Skinwalker) was from season 2, not the horrible witch-plagued season 4. But what you said is true. I'm guessing the 10 men thing is just a typical wise old Native American legend.

[skully]

Clark's ears should be invulnerable to Black Canary's scream. Her sound is not kryptonite, Kryptonian metal, or magic. Nor is it another alien being as powerful as him beating him up as was the case with Titan & Zod.Must admit, I thought the same thing when I saw it xray, but just shrugged and thought "meh, nice dramatic effect"

[aXem]

he should be able to control his superhearing and focus somewhere else in situations like this.

I didn't like it.

[tippership commander]

ALRIGHT, HOLD IT...

Clar kshould not have his ears bleeding

A "Hard LESSON, you say?" not to that point..

almiles has really REALLY weakened all of Clark's powers in this ...including his invincibility

"By the way, norm ppl can hear Black Canary's cry, becaause its' focused, but the energy leaks into audible human tones.." Justice League Unlimited proves this point
"

Clark adn the Flash??????Here we go again....

Ever heard of Pre-Crisis?

anyway...may7be, just maybe that coudl be a "harl lesson" as you call them...LCark's speed has evolved slower than all his other abilities, and then now he's in pain from his ears..

ex

Heat vision was weak at first, now, in super speed, he can evaporate a whole valley flood

Strength.....too many examples..

Super Breath...WAY UNDERUSED

X ray...They'r eLackign here too..he should be able to see MORE that X-ray..

remember when he fought West? he was cabable of seeing Clar kin infrared...And CLark?? Clar k has the same abilitity he should haev been able to go froim radio and microwave to gamma and cosmic ray..to see west, and beat him at his own game...his vision powers are way behind..

and , my prsonal,,,Super speed..im sorry, but he doesnt cut it..

my conclusion..the writers seem to need to have CLar kgets beat up by people who we know should get manhandles almost dbz style by clark, then almost match them

Heck, CLARK should be able to mimic BC's power ,COme ot think about it...what gives??
but, this is why they let Lana, then BC, beat him up...
they did it right with ppl like victor vs clark.,...but not lana, flash, yes, KARA, Bizarro( this is a biggie, it was up and down literally) ...THis seems to be the baseline for meeting new people with powers..

[ClarksGal]

As far as the background noise, this is part of Superman that Smallville has again chosen to ignore. There is not too much noise, because his mind works far faster than ours, and can process millions of times the data ours could, much much faster than ours can. We hear too much background noise, because there is too much auditory data coming in for us to decipher. So, it becomes an unintelligable roar. Clark, with his superior mind, and abilities, can actually hear the individual sounds that make up the white noise to us. He can keep up with multiple conversations at the same time, because his brain is working fast enough to decipher all the info coming in. It's another of the "super" parts of how Clark Kent works.

On Smallville, he's just hooked up to a really big amplifier, that he can apparently turn on and off. And that's stupid.

Gotcha! Now that makes a lot of sense. And, I agree, the way you describe this power is much cooler than the SV way.

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Were talking about a character who is "momentarily daze" when caught in a supernova.

Back Canary vs Superman should make Bambi vs Godzilla look like a fair fight.

The only way Black Canary could beat Supes in a fight (without Kryptonite or magic AND some kind or surprise or treachery), would be if Superman were already dead at the beginning of the fight. Even then, she'd probably have less than a 50-50 chance.

Ears bleeding..bah.


:rotfl:

[Superbeard]

It made him bleed the same way Titan's punches made him bleed. "Invulnerable" is a very relative term (Superman death in the comics involved no Kryptonite at all).

It caught him off guard. Yes, he has supersensitive hearing, but if he were ready for it he could probably have adjusted how much he'd take in, just like he has control over the rest of his powers and doesn't light someone on fire whenever he gets a boner anymore. But up until now he hasn't had to control his hearing past the range of normal to extended, never having dabbled with "resistant." He probably can "protect his ear drums better" or whatever, but until BC there's been no reason to.

But since BC's a good gal now, it doesn't really matter anyway.

[litew8]

It made him bleed the same way Titan's punches made him bleed. "Invulnerable" is a very relative term (Superman death in the comics involved no Kryptonite at all).

It caught him off guard. Yes, he has supersensitive hearing, but if he were ready for it he could probably have adjusted how much he'd take in, just like he has control over the rest of his powers and doesn't light someone on fire whenever he gets a boner anymore. But up until now he hasn't had to control his hearing past the range of normal to extended, never having dabbled with "resistant." He probably can "protect his ear drums better" or whatever, but until BC there's been no reason to.

But since BC's a good gal now, it doesn't really matter anyway.

The only reason I'm replying to this post is because I don't really care for using the word "relative". You're suggesting that it was okay for a scream to knock Superman down to the ground like a big sissy AND that it was okay for his ears to bleed? Trying to compare it to his death in the comics? Relative? Let me ask you this - when he died in the comics, how long did it take before he died, and how many beatings did he take and by whom? Did any of that consist of a little girls scream? :LOL: Relative, sure thing.

[you_smell_terrific]

I might be wrong, but I always got the impression that on Smallville at least, Clark's powers got stronger as he aged. I remember in one of the earlier seasons he was shot or something and mentioned to Martha "there was barely a bruise this time" or something. As if his invunrubility has gotten stronger over the years much like the rest of his powers should.

So keep that in mind with the fact that al/miles screw a lot of things up (LOL) and it makes a little more sense. As others said, she doesn't have a meteor power, it's something by other means (like Bart's) so maybe its stronger.

His ears bleeding may have been a little much but he is NOT Superman yet so his powers aren't to the stength that they will be someday if you go by the way Smallville has been doing it. Plus if you look to deep into the show it will be completely ridiculous xD

Me personally, I like the fact that he's slightly humanized in that sense. That was what I never liked about Superman when I was younger. How do you beat an invulnerable man that has a bunch of other powers? Makes it kind of boring when he beats everyone he's up against with no problem.

Siren proved that to me. The scene with the arrow/bullet/knife flying, Clark just came in no problem and took them all out. Or at least he could have if you look at "Jinx". They added the extra drama of him only having time for one and letting Lex get stabbed to keep it interesting. If Clark just runs in all the time and stops all the bullets and then runs back out that'd be really boring. I don't know, thats just my take on it anyway.

It's the same question, why does Clark get a pained expression when lifting something like a tractor? It shouldn't be hard for Superman but A) It's not Superman its a pre-training version and B)People would get bored if it appears to take no effort all the time.

[Big Blue Cheese]

To Jazzylg.

I agree with most of what you say and you make several accurate and good points, but for the sake of wonderment. "Smallville" Clark has lived his entire life in Smallville a town riddled with green K underground and has come in contact with it several time. It is a possible explanation as to why he has not shown the full extent of his future superman powers. We know that Superman becomes stronger the closer he is to the sun, so also he is weaker the closer he is to green K. Maybe the constant run ins with it and having all around the town is weakening him.
Also, even in the movies, until Clark went through the full training at the fortress, the best you saw him do was jump a small building or out run a train and small things like that. But you are very right when you say they do not seem to stick with the history. There is so much green K in Smallville it is a wonder Clark has the strength to walk. In any other version I have read or watched green K was a very rare substance on earth. On Smallville Clark can walk along with no problem, then a little wind moves some dirt and he is paralyzed, so Smallville must have a lot of lead in their dirt cuz it only seems to affect Clark when it is exposed. Anyway, really I think your right on, I just was trying to come up with a way to appease my own conscience for thinking this is the way it all could have went down for young Clark and feel like I am a fan of honest superman origin show.

[HalJordan4184]

What is it with this thing that CLark needs some training to master his powers. Even in the movies (the only place Superman needed training from a dead alien to learn to be human), his training wasn't about getting his powers to work, it was about the universe, and krypton. SOme of it was discovering his powers, however, he would have discovered them all on his own anyway, like he did in every incarnation of the character, except for the Reeve/Donner films.

[MaximRecoil]

If the girl's scream had enough energy to break Clark's skin, then it should have also leveled the entire city at least, including the girl doing the screaming.

Having sensitive hearing is irrelevant. Sensitive hearing is a function of the responsiveness of the eardrums to sound, and also a function of how the brain is wired. It doesn't mean "weak". How could Clark's eardrums possibly be weak?

As an example, a big brass gong is sensitive to sound. If you made a loud noise, the sound waves would vibrate it so that even once the sound stops, the gong would still be audibly vibrating. Now, see if you can make a loud enough of a noise to break that "sensitive" gong—or just plain try to break it at all.

The only thing her scream managed to break was glass (edit: and arrows; forgot about the arrows). So is the implication here that Clark Kent's eardrums have durability similar to glass? It didn't affect anyone else's eardrums, or their internal organs, or anything else that would be damaged by high enough sound pressure levels in real life.

I've seen high SPL crack a van's steel door (170.6 dB). However, her scream was only breaking glass, and not really affecting anything else aside from a specific part of Clark's body. It is funny that the energy ignored the rest of Clark's body and solely damaged his ears...and simply ignored all other folks' bodies completely.

I think it is funny that people are actually saying that this makes sense.

Remember, "sensitivity" is a red herring—it is irrelevant. Clark's ear drums have the same level of durability as all the rest of his flesh. And any general release of energy that is enough to break Clark's skin—any part of his skin, would simply dust anything else in the area...people, steel, concrete, you name it.

[Big Blue Cheese]

In any superman movie you have seen or tv show, which one did clark fly in before he went to the FS?

[Nanites]

I wonder who would win... Clark superblowing ability against Black Canary's screech... He blow down a steel door in the "Sneeze" episode while BC can only break glass n shatter arrow. So I think Clark might win

[HalJordan4184]

In any superman movie you have seen or tv show, which one did clark fly in before he went to the FS?

Superboy, Lois and Clark, Superman the Animated Series, the George Reeves Adventures of Superman series, any of the pre Superman the movie cartoons, like The Superfriends, or the eighties Superman cartoon show.

The better question is, what Superman movies and TV shows have you watched, that have anyone even going to train in a fortress of solitude that doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with a dead alien computer program, designing and elaborate crystal palace, whose sole function seems to be making Clark Kent into some weird, Gough and Millerized version of something slightly resembling Superman?

[pizzaguy19]

Clark bleeds in comics all the time when superpowers are involved.

He isn't affected by any of those other things because they are natural/manmade, not superhero(ine) powers.