from what I heard

[miks]

How is it possible that Lois fricken Lane can't be with Ollie because she can't take the double life thing, when she ends up with Clark/Superman? I just don't get what they (tptb) are doing?:confused:

[Poyntz]

Yeah .. that confused me too. lol.. And ummm does lois even know that grant is dead? Doesn anyone other then lional and lana know? LOL

[ClarksGal]

Same way that she's "never going to date anyone she works with again."

[lastwords]

I just wish they could be together, i did like them as a couple. Shame. It was upsetting.

[miks]

yeah but that was something silly said on the side. This was kinda serious. She broke up with him because she can't handle the double life. To my knowledge, I'm not really sure, but that was with Grant and they didn't break up because they worked together. i'm actually not really sure, so maybe I shouldnt have said that hehe

[beatles4]

They had to make the way for the GA/Canary thing, as well as leaving the path clear for Lois and Clark. Lois will be older and more mature to handle the double identity by then, don't forget!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

How is it possible that Lois fricken Lane can't be with Ollie because she can't take the double life thing, when she ends up with Clark/Superman? I just don't get what they (tptb) are doing?:confused:

Funny, isn't it???
:lol:

[aqgalaxy]

yeah but that was something silly said on the side. This was kinda serious. She broke up with him because she can't handle the double life. To my knowledge, I'm not really sure, but that was with Grant and they didn't break up because they worked together. i'm actually not really sure, so maybe I shouldnt have said that hehe

Yeah first we get her saying she isn't going to date a coworker then she dumps Ollie because she can't handle the dual identity thing. It isn't like with Bruce in the comics where she hated Batman, but because she can't handle it... I dunno

[lastwords]

They did open the way for the GA/BC thing but they sort of closed the lois/clark thiong by going on with the Clana...

[dh1031]

How is it possible that Lois fricken Lane can't be with Ollie because she can't take the double life thing, when she ends up with Clark/Superman? Sure would be nice if they changed that. It would be a horrible curse to put this Lois and Clark together!!

[tariksam]

Dude is called IRONY as much as she said she didn't want to become a journalist etc or Clark saying he doesn't want a job in which he has to fly and wear asuite

[aqgalaxy]

Dude is called IRONY as much as she said she didn't want to become a journalist etc or Clark saying he doesn't want a job in which he has to fly and wear asuite

Then her reasons for not dating Ollie would have been a lie if that's the case.

[myankskent]

Dude is called IRONY as much as she said she didn't want to become a journalist etc or Clark saying he doesn't want a job in which he has to fly and wear asuite

Exactly. The writers use irony all of the time in their writing, particularly with things like this. Also, Oliver/GA is not Clark/Superman. Just because Lois wasn't willing to deal with the dual indentity thing for Oliver, it doesn't mean that she would make that same choice with Clark.

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Then her reasons for not dating Ollie would have been a lie if that's the case.


No, it's not a lie. It's how Lois genuinely feels about Oliver and his dual identity at this point in time. In the future, she has every right to change her mind on that front, it doesn't change the fact that she feels the way that she feels about it currently, IMO.

[theotherJane]

Exactly. The writers use irony all of the time in their writing, particularly with things like this. Also, Oliver/GA is not Clark/Superman. Just because Lois wasn't willing to deal with the dual indentity thing for Oliver, it doesn't mean that she would make that same choice with Clark.

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No, it's not a lie. It's how Lois genuinely feels about Oliver and his dual identity at this point in time. In the future, she has every right to change her mind on that front, it doesn't change the fact that she feels the way that she feels about it currently, IMO.

It's definitely irony. Yet, it could very well be the fact that Lois Lane has never handled Clark's secret well at first. In LnC, she was quite upset when she found out, and in Superman II, Clark gave her a memory-wipe-kiss because she had a hard time dealing with the dual identity thing because she felt guilty over "stealing" Clark away from his job as Superman.

[myankskent]

It's definitely irony. Yet, it could very well be the fact that Lois Lane has never handled Clark's secret well at first. In LnC, she was quite upset when she found out, and in Superman II, Clark gave her a memory-wipe-kiss because she had a hard time dealing with the dual identity thing.

Agreed. IMO, it also shows that Oliver is not the guy that Lois really wants. If she did really want him, she would try to make it work with him, dual identity or no dual identity, just like she does with Clark in the future.

[theotherJane]

Agreed. IMO, it also shows that Oliver is not the guy that Lois really wants. If she did really want him, she would try to make it work with him, dual identity or no dual identity, just like she does with Clark in the future.

Exactly. She doesn't love him anymore, at least not like she used to in "Hydro," when she wanted to make it work with him and when she told Clark that she wouldn't care if Oliver was GA or if she found out that Oliver was "from Mars, [she'd] find a way to dismiss it as an endearing quirk."

[sabi908]

one word....IRONY!

[Honey45]

It's just a joke in reference to the future.

As for Grant, I don't think Lois knows he's dead. Usually they have someone reading the newspaper with a front page that says "Daily Planet Editor Grant Gabriel shot in mugging" or something to show that everyone knows about it.

[globalbudd3]

Uhmm...well, keep in mind that this is pre-metropolis days, pre-Clois days, therefore it wouldn't be odd if Lois don't like the double life thing. Even when she was with Clark later on, she probably has accepted his double life but doesn't mean she liked it.

And I think anyone could understand her point of view. Do you really want to spend your nights worrying about someone close to you knowing that his life is in danger ever night?

[celita]

Then her reasons for not dating Ollie would have been a lie if that's the case.

Ollie wanted to see Lois in the weekends, and Lois doesn't want that kind of relationship because she never had a "father" because he was saving the world and she was alone in her house taking care of Lucy. Clark won't see Lois in the weekends, she won't be at home wating for him. She will be right there sharing all her life with him, it's not the same situation at all.

It's the same with clana. If Clark wants to save the world he needs to let her behind, Lana herself says that she feels that she is holding Clark back. Lois won't do that in the future, she will be glad when Clark goes to save the world and she won't be waiting for him, she'll be with him all along.

I think it would be different if Ollie asks Lois to leave the town with him so they could fight to get justice together.

[sabi908]

Lois is just starting her career and she's only what 21 or so...heck i'm 21 and at this point I would'nt be too comfortable with settling for a guy whose part-time job is saving the world.

Lois has a lot of maturing to do and as we see in the future...she is perfectly capable of being in a relationship with Superman, keeping his secrets and many other things simultaenously

[jazel]

How is it possible that Lois fricken Lane can't be with Ollie because she can't take the double life thing, when she ends up with Clark/Superman? I just don't get what they (tptb) are doing?:confused:

After watching the clip, I came away with this.
She's going to build up her walls, so that NOBODY will ever be able to hurt her. Her mother, father, and even sister, leave her. When she gave them nothing but love, AND what "they" expected of her. How can you trust ANYBODY, when those closest to you, repeatedly hurt you ? Lois must have a serious self-esteem issue...... like, what's wrong with me, am I that unlovable ?
Clark said it best, to Ollie in Season 6, Lois ain't no Lana. Pretty sure CK is confident, that Lois CAN handle the dual-identity thing. It's showing Lois, that she IS worthy of being loved, that Superman has his work cut out for him.;)

[freefall]

No, it's not a lie. It's how Lois genuinely feels about Oliver and his dual identity at this point in time. In the future, she has every right to change her mind on that front, it doesn't change the fact that she feels the way that she feels about it currently, IMO.


Agreed. IMO, it also shows that Oliver is not the guy that Lois really wants. If she did really want him, she would try to make it work with him, dual identity or no dual identity, just like she does with Clark in the future.

ITA. That's one of the most honest scenes I've ever seen on the show. In fact I think the point of that scene is to show that in the future, Clark would be worth the effort for her to change her feelings about superheroes and their double lives.

There really isn't that many superheroes who have a solid relationship with a significant other, let alone committing to a marriage, it's a VERY hard work for these guys to maintain that and those kind of issues are very real. But if they love each other enough and believe they're worth it, they'll give it their best shot and overcome it.

[ShelbyKent]

Ollie wanted to see Lois in the weekends
I think it would be different if Ollie asks Lois to leave the town with him so they could fight to get justice together. Is that how it is with GA and the Black Canary in the comics? They work together? Those 2 did get married in the comics, right?

[tariksam]

Yes Oliver and Dinah are now married but they work together on the JLA

[celita]

Is that how it is with GA and the Black Canary in the comics? They work together? Those 2 did get married in the comics, right?

Yes, they are married, but I don't know how their relationship works in the comics. But I don't think that it would work like he was trying to do with Lois. They left the town together, BC is going to join to the proto-justice league, they are going to work together and later, fall in love with each other. I think that Ollie thinks that he has to protect Lois so he doesn't want her involved in his superhero stuff, but Black Canary is a Superhero herself, she is already involved in that kind of stuff.

[freefall]

Is that how it is with GA and the Black Canary in the comics? They work together? Those 2 did get married in the comics, right?

While I don't think that Oliver and Dinah would end up together simply because they work together, they do genuinely love each other, but at the same time I believe it plays quite a significant part in the decision as well.

There's a very interesting conversation between Clark and Diana (Wonder Woman) before the wedding took place about how both of them felt about Oliver and Dinah getting married.

[RepairmanBob]

How is it possible that Lois fricken Lane can't be with Ollie because she can't take the double life thing, when she ends up with Clark/Superman? It was an ironic anvil. A poorly done, obvious, thudding, painful "Look at how funny and smart we are!!!" anvil. Subtle, this show is not.

[freefall]

I don't see it as an anvil actually, but simply about Lois' own honest feelings about the whole situation.

[newbaggy]

ITA. That's one of the most honest scenes I've ever seen on the show. In fact I think the point of that scene is to show that in the future, Clark would be worth the effort for her to change her feelings about superheroes and their double lives.

There really isn't that many superheroes who have a solid relationship with a significant other, let alone committing to a marriage, it's a VERY hard work for these guys to maintain that and those kind of issues are very real. But if they love each other enough and believe they're worth it, they'll give it their best shot and overcome it.

In Tom Stoppard's play, The Real Thing, the central character Henry is asked by his daughter to define the sensation of being in love. His reply includes the following lines:

"Our lovers share us with the passing trade. But in pairs we insist that we give ourselves to each other. What selves? What's left? What else is there that hasn't been dealt out like a deck of cards? A sort of knowledge. Personal, final, uncompromised. Knowing, being known. I revere that. Having that is being rich, you can be generous about what's shared - she walks, she talks, she laughs, she lends a sympathetic ear, she kicks off her shoes and dances on tables, she's everybody's and it don't mean a thing, let them eat cake; knowledge is something else, the undealt card, and while its held it makes you free-and-easy and nice to know, and when it's gone everything is pain. Every single thing."

If you look back, Ollie always held back in their relationship, always treated the "Green Arrow" side of his life as the most important thing, never really gave Lois a part of himself that was hers - and hers alone. So Lois is left feeling that she would have to wait in line behind his other commitments before getting anything from him. To an outsider, her behaviour might seem selfish, but remember, her sister Lucy thought that The General loved Lois best because he kept Lois with him whilst she was sent to boarding school. Lois actually felt like "a piece of baggage"; dragged from posting to posting, and fitted in around her father's career.

When Clark and Lois eventually get together, and she discovers that he is Superman, Lois has the knowledge that she is the most important thing in his world. She can share him with the world because she holds that "undealt card" that she never felt that Ollie would give her.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

People change their mind, sheesh.

[krpto]

Honestly Lois probablly does care for Oliver( i haven't seen this episode and won't for a few hours till it airs here) but I am sure It would be incredibly hard to be in a relationship with someone who is constently risking thier life to save the world. Ollie is good and strong but a bullet could still easily kill him were in the future clark/superman will have very little that can actually kill him on a daily basis besides kryptonite and magic wich are not as easy to find and bullets.

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plus how would lois explain to her family and friends her obsession with the green arrow when she is dating ollie. It is a whole lot easier to hide an obsession for someone that lives near you and protects you plus lois is fully obsessed with superman before she even starts to pay attention to clark. My guess is its easier to explain being friends with superman who saves you almost daily and dating clark who you work with then it would be to explain dating a billionaire while chasing a RobinHood wannabe around the world.

[MidgardDragon]

How is it possible that Lois fricken Lane can't be with Ollie because she can't take the double life thing, when she ends up with Clark/Superman? I just don't get what they (tptb) are doing?:confused:

She has to learn to be with that type of person. It's not exactly easy for them once she does find out Clark's secret in most incarnations either.