Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of Siren?

[shy175223]

Have your say right here after the airing of this episode...

[superhippie2000]

i hope its good. new hero episode tend to be good.

[shy175223]

after reading about the spoilers on this one...I may very well could be good....

[lastwords]

It is a good one (canadian...lol) this episode totally rocks!

[shy175223]

thanks for that spoiler;)

[superhippie2000]

ya sheesh it rocks? that just ruined the episode for me i wont be watching now lol. j/k

im glad its a good one and cant wait to see it. i wish we got it tonight.

[Eri-El]

Oh man I hate this waiting thing..........how many hours left?

[aqgalaxy]

It's a good episode and if you want Clark to retain his balls, I suggest missing the last 4 minutes but other then that good episode

[MidgardDragon]

It's a good episode and if you want Clark to retain his balls, I suggest missing the last 4 minutes but other then that good episode

Sorry if I don't put too much stock in this, but people on this forum think Clark "loses his balls" every time he shows the least bit of emotion. Basically if he's not punching bad guys he has "lost his balls". :\

[Eri-El]

It's a good episode and if you want Clark to retain his balls, I suggest missing the last 4 minutes but other then that good episode



Last 4 minutes huh?.........sounds like a clana moment gone bad again :\
I just wish they would move on already.

[Carla89]

oh the epi is absolutely brilliant! best so far..for sure!

(if you can't wait any longer, you can watch the full epi on youtube in not bad quality)

[Jade4813]

Sorry if I don't put too much stock in this, but people on this forum think Clark "loses his balls" every time he shows the least bit of emotion. Basically if he's not punching bad guys he has "lost his balls". :\

I suppose I haven't seen much on this forum yet, but it seems like Clark "loses his balls" every time he apologizes for something he didn't do or when he chucks everything away in favor of the same Clana rehashing that's happened before.

I haven't seen this episode yet (maybe won't at all, depending on what rumbling I hear and I'm a bit skittish from what I've heard already). But I'm gonna bet one if not both of those things happened in that last scene. ;)

On the other hand...with all the times Clark's done one or the other, does he even have any balls left? Isn't that why Lana moved on to Lex? :rolleyes:

[Ilovebeinglost]

Very good episode. Great emotional scene with Lois and Clark.

Yes the last 4 mins suck, but the rest was great!

[mctor]

Siren was a fantastic episode!!

The action and the drama intertwined perfectly in this episode. IMO Erica gives her best performance to date on the show, I thought she was incredible in her final scene It was a very solid episode.

BTW the final four minutes do not ruin the episode... I actually enjoyed the scene alot.

[jazel]

can't wait to see it.;)

[ClarkyBoy14]

can't wait to see it.;)

Me neither.

Canadians are so lucky. :p

[L13]

I used to wait anxiously for the next episode of smallville and the adventures of the boy who would one day become the greatest of all superheroes, superman. But along the way the story of Clark seems to be host to the stories of of so many other heroes, which would be ok if these tales were presented with the same consideration that Lex and Clark were given.
Now I realize that smallville isn't Citizen Kane, but it was once upon a time written with sincerity and presented a little more seriously. By this i mean the special effects were typically special and looked really good for a t.v. series. Clark never flew and it was a good thing cause it wasn't affordable. I realize there were other reasons but what I'm doing is appreciating the fact that they didn't try and pull something off that they weren't in a position to do correctly. But now, now everyone is given hokey floating effects which reek of cables and bad kung-fu movies. At least Ang Lee had the decency to give his characters a gracefulness and open setting to perform their wire act. My point is if your actors aren't superpowered or don't possess the right powers, then unless they're Jackie Chan don't have them running up walls. If you want Black Canary to be a whirling flipping martial artist, with gymnastics talent then get a talent who can pull off the stunts, hire a double or even better write your stories and choose your scenes so that we as an audience are drawn into the characters and their actions instead of changing the channel.

[jazel]

Me neither.

Canadians are so lucky. :p

we Americans don't have it too bad either, glad our
neighbors to the north, like to share.;)

[MidgardDragon]

I gave it a solid 9. Not as good as last week's, but close enough. And I still don't see how showing emotion and admitting that you have been holier-than-thou is "losing your balls" sorry.

[DreadShamus]

Might have only been a 9! But I gave it a 10. SO DAMN ALL AROUND FANTASTIC!!!!!!

[reobeem]

A story of love, loss, and redemption what a treat. Aside from the crying Lois and Lionel just making things harder for everyone it was real good. I didn't even mind the Clark and Lana drama so much. I'll give it a 9/10.

[spideyfan]

I give this a 8/10 for
ED acting
Black Canary
Green Arrow
Someone punking CK

Would have been a 9/10 if Lana wasnt in this or if Lana/CK officially split

[CallMeClark]

This season is so great!

I loved it. 10.

[clana4everfan2]

I gave it an 8/10. And I was very happy to see Green Arrow's return. Too bad Lois reacted the way she did regarding Ollie/Green Arrow's double life.

[jazel]

loved it, except for the Clana drama, that ain't so dramatic anymore.....*yawn*, those scenes and Lana's crocodile tears, put me to sleep. for that, I gave the epi, an 8.
LOVED how Lois was "trying" to protect Ollie, not even guessing Clark and Chloe already knew.

[Sarah J]

I liked it a lot........ but the endin wasn't the best.

I wanted to see somethin more, idk what though

sorry I'm a moyjor Clanna fan

[LoveHurts38]

I gave it a 10 Loved it.... sweet hug from Clark to Lois.

[STFanatic]

I gave it the highest rating so far this season.

Even though I did not like the way Canary looked, the actress did a fair job with it.

The Lois scene was really well done.

How many times do the characters need to hit Clark over the head with "Get off the farm and make a difference!" thing before it soaks in.
It would make Smallville more interesting if he did go out of town a time or two and catch at least a purse snatcher.

[WickedJenn]

Save for the very end, I LOVED this epi.

[Theshadow129x]

I didnt like it.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I like it.
I loved Ollie put clark in his face.
Clark choosing not save lex from the knife.
lois acting was great.

[BabyAngel]

Idk the episode to me felt unorganized
like the whole thing with the justice league it seems as though they are3
trying to say that the reason its put together is lex luther and everyone who clark meets is trying to take him down
there are bigger people out there trying to take things over

[MidgardDragon]

Idk the episode to me felt unorganized
like the whole thing with the justice league it seems as though they are3
trying to say that the reason it put together it lex luther and everyone who clark meets is trying to take him down
there are bigger people out there

In the future there will be worse. But right now Lex is the worst and is doing the most harm. This isn't the future, this is right now.

[Bizarro345]

I liked it. GA better be back or I'm gonna be pissed. Hell bring back all the JL boys...ahem...and girl.

[BabyAngel]

In the future there will be worse. But right now Lex is the worst and is doing the most harm. This isn't the future, this is right now.

Oh so i guess Milton Fine is no harm

[SVfan4ever]

I like it except for the Lex/Ollie fight scene. Idk, it just felt staged. Loved the save by Clark, just not the fight. Lois was great. Clark so protective of Chloe.
8.5

[STFanatic]

I like it except for the Lex/Ollie fight scene. Idk, it just felt staged. Loved the save by Clark, just not the fight. Lois was great. Clark so protective of Chloe.
8.5

With some costume color changes, it could have been "The Power Rangers Smackdown" :lol:

[SVfan4ever]

With some costume color changes, it could have been "The Power Rangers Smackdown" :lol:

Thanks, that made me laugh. I needed that.

[double L]

I say 9, just take every scene with Lana out, it would be a 10 though.

[ClarkyBoy14]

For some reason, the first act felt kind of... odd to me and I wasn't sure if "Siren" would be as good as I had been hoping, but thankfully, things really picked up after that.

So I give it a 9.5 rounded up to 10.

[MetroGirl06]

As a comic geek, I was just thrilled to see my girl Black Canary on screen again! Green Arrow coming back was awesome too! And the BC/GA interactions were giving me geekasms. :D I know, its too much! :lol:

[skylar]

I gave it 10 it was very exciting . Glad to see Green Arrow back. Sad that he and Lois couldn't work it out. It isn't meant to be.

[xHerox]

I gave "Siren" an "8" for a number of reasons; first of all, almost every episode that introduces a new hero is excellent, and this one totally fell into that category. Plus, I think the sequence involving Black Canary, Green Arrow, Clark, and Lex was one of the best action scenes in a long time, even if it was a bit contrived.

However, I also have to confess that I really liked the Clark and Lois scene. Since Lois was introduced in the fourth season, I've been conflicted because I have wanted the couple to end up together (as they should) but I didn't see their characters on the show working that well together all the time. However, this episode definitely showed that the couple that is meant to be has true potential. I also like the ties to previous episodes as well, especially the Clark and Lana scenes.

Overall, this episode was great. Although there were a few minor problems, I can definitely see this being one of the most re-watchable episodes from this season and I hope that Black Canary shows up again!

[coasterprincess]

Oooh it's been awhile since I've been on here. So my thoughts...

The Good
~Green Arrow. Aside from it being another chance for me to blatantly ogle Justin Hartley, I had been missing my favorite archer. Plus I thought the way they almost brought back together, and then finally ended things with him and Lois really fit. This is Smallville...not Superman. Lois needs a little time to grow before being ready to settle down and share a superhero boyfriend with the world.
~Black Canary. The wig for her day job didn't do much for me...but I was overall pleased. Those boys need a woman's touch (and since they're going to keep us waiting for Wonder Woman...)

The Meh
~Clana...well...I didn't vomit up my spleen, so it's a start. I missed the last two episodes *tear* so I've only got the general picture with what happened, but I'm hoping this is a step to the once-and-for-all end of the two of them. We all know it's over...now they just need to put themselves out of their misery.
~Lex and Lionel and their respective story lines. I wasn't wowed, but since it wasn't the focus and was more of a means to the other plots I'll let it slide for now.

Overall...well done indeed. 9/10

[guittarjedi]

"Siren" suuucked! I just started watching SV this season and ever since the "Kara" episode I've been hooked and liked everything I've seen so far. But tonight I literally cringed through the entire episode.

First off what's with these third string superheroes? I've been into superheroes my whole life and I've never even heard of the Black Canary until this year. Now I know why, she's lame! What kind of power is a subsonic pulse scream anyway? Ugh. The chick that played her can't act either.

I've never liked the character Green Arrow and the guy that plays him is a lousy actor. Almost every line of dialogue was cheesy too. What happened? I'm used to a couple of corny lines here and there but tonight was a load of insipid drivel. Next weeks preview didn't look good either. The only thing keeping me from deleting this eppy from my DVD-RW is Lex's fight with Green Arrow. When Clark stopped the bullette it was awesome special effects. Bring Kara back damn it and get this show back on track!

[Darth Pipes]

9/10.

Really liked the return of Oliver here and the introduction to the Canary. Liked how she knocked out Lois and said she was annoying. The fight at the end was pretty cool. Liked Siren too.

I was glad that Ollie blasted Clark for being such a lazy bastard. He was 100% right and Clark's "Maybe someday" response summed up his character perfectly as the seventh season comes to an end. He's still whining and wishy-washy and still REFUSING to acknowledge that his relationship with Lana will never go anywhere. Maybe this is why I'm glad that Clark seems more and more like a supporting character on his own show.

Also find it interesting that Lana still hasn't told Clark about the misery incident where she had that woman lock up Lionel. And that the woman ended up dead. Hasn't been mentioned and Lois apparently doesn't know that her other ex-boyfriend the editor of the Daily Planet was gunned down.

[Cyn]

Sorry if I don't put too much stock in this, but people on this forum think Clark "loses his balls" every time he shows the least bit of emotion. Basically if he's not punching bad guys he has "lost his balls". :\

No, Clark only really looses his balls (and his frigging mind) when Lana is involved. I'm pretty sure he has assumed responsibility for every bad thing that has happen to her including any acne she may have had during puberty and then apologized to her for it. This frustrates and pisses me off on so many levels. I actually bet myself that Clark would find a way to make the Bizana his fault too...I was wrong. Clark decided to confess that he to had done "BAD THINGS". That took balls...NOT!

Pardon me, I'm off to vomit.

***OK, I'm back to vent***

On a side note:

Loved Green Arrow, Chloe (Watchtower) and Lois. They so rocked! I was a little bummed by Lois saying she wasn't cut out for guys with a double identity, but then realized that it would take a "Super"man to change her mind.

Loved, loved, loved Ollie taking Clark to task. Morally, he kicked Clark's ass up between his teeth. (I kept envisioning that Capt. D's commerical with the fishtail smacking the guy in the face.<G>


Hated the Black Canary. Her outfit was soooo lame...Well, maybe I mean her eyemask/makeup. It was BAD in a LAME way. Also, I didn't care for the woman playing her either. All in all, I give BC two thumbs down.

Then, what was up with Lionel. Has Jor-El clipped his balls??? He had to go to Lana to get something on Lex??? The real Lionel Luthor would have taken care of Lex himself!

<G> I guess you can tell that I didn't rate this episode very well.

[svtwamedfan05]

Absolutely loved this episode. Everything was great. The last 4 minutes I tend to ignore. It will not bring my spirits down from the rest of this awesome episode.

[supermommy]

I gave the episode a 9. Although I loved the scene with Clark and Lois, I just thought it was stupid for her to be saying she couldn't be with someone that had a double identity. Duh. I actually loved the scene with Lex and Oliver fighting. I thought it was cool although I really didn't think Lex had such quick fighting skills. It was a little bit of a stretch for the character, but fun to watch. I think the long black wig for the Black Canary was badly done, but i loved her mask. Thank goodness it wasn't another black mask over the top of her face with her eyes blacked out. I loved that they painted it on. Way cool. I love Tom Welling, but I thought his acting was a little stiff tonight. And frankly I blame the director. I thought he could have shown a little more emotion when he was hugging Lois. I'm not sure I like the scene at the end with Lana. It just didn't feel right to me. Let's face it Clark/Superman is a softy and doesn't like to hurt anyone's feelings. So I can see him trying to make it work yet again with Lana, but the scene felt awkward for me. Bad directing, not necessarily bad acting. I absolutely loved the night lighting for the Kent farm. I can't believe no one has mentioned it yet. It was breath taking and awesome. I don't remember them every showing the farm quite like that before. It was beautiful.

I hope the writer's strike is over this week and we get 7 more episodes this year!

[Doug]

This episode was not as good as i had hoped. The Lana and Clark thing is getting really old now. Time to say bye bye to lana. I did however like Lois's comment.....why do i always fall for the rich boys when I can hang out with you. (SAID TO CLARK AS SHE WAS CRYING ON HIS SHOULDER) Seemed to me that there are some feelings starting to show up???????????

Black Canary was ok. Some what a waste of an episode if there are no plans to elaborate on the future of GA and BC. Maybe later in the season if the writers strike is corrected.

[BadToad]

I thought this was a very strong episode. Lots of interesting stuff happening, and lots of good relationship movement. Its the rare episode that can bring something for Clana, Chlark and Clois fans. AH was really good as BC, and JH was his usual steady self as GA. The episode moved quickly, with a minimum of WTH moments.

Episode highlights for me were the Clark/BC scene, the Clana smackdown, the Clois scene at the end, and my favorite was Clark running into the mansion and doing his best to save everyone, and succeeding at it. Without Clark's intervention, someone was very likely to die. Instead, GA walks away, and Lex and BC escape with non-fatal wounds. Go Clark!

I gave it a 9

[quietone]

One of the better eps this season. I gave it a 9.

Only nitpick was Lionel. His character has become a mystery and not in a good way.

Black Canary was better than I was expecting.It was great to have Green Arrow back. I liked the Chlark, Clois,and Lollie interactions. Even the Clana did not make me queasy. I liked that Clark finally opened up and told Lana what he's really feeling and thinking. Also, I liked how he didn't promise her the moon and the stars at the end.

[Lexgirl33]

I was glad to see Ollie back plus the Clois

[Bosrudorfer]

I really liked it, 9/10

[ginnyfan]

I gave it 9/10 but maybe I should have given it a 10. It was a good episode.

[vyperman7]

While I enjoyed Persona more, I still thought that Siren was a solid episode. I would probably give it an 8/10. Unfortunately, Run seems to be the ONLY guest hero episode to be totally satisfying. All the guest hero episodes have had elements that I like. But like always, the guest hero, in this case Black Canary, was underused and really not shown all that much. When you take the time to have an episode featuring a guest hero, that should take precident over Clana drama and other relationship issues. It was cool to see Oliver/GA return as well, but like I said, he really wasn't used that much either. However, I really liked getting to see Oliver telling off Clark. It was also great with Lex being shown in more of a villain like light and tricking the BC. My favorite part of the episode was actually the Clois hug. I have always loved Clois in every other Superman medium, and the only Clois version I have hated has been Smallville's. But every so often they have a Clois moment that makes me want to believe in it, and this was one of those few. We got to see an actual close emotional moment between them. Finally it was GREAT to have a continuity moment with Clark making reference to events from Exile in S3!!

[borednow]

8, great episode, let's hope it's development doesn't turn into back pedaling.

[LoisL]

Gave it a 9. That Clana argument was awesome; even though they got back together, I was content with Clana admitting that they might not really have a future together.

Ollie being back was great, even if it ended up being more of a shipper thing than anything. Dinah, IMO, coulda been a lil more classy and casual. She just didn't seem that real or interesting to me (unlike her comicbook counterpart, and I'm no fan) shades of Andrea. :eek: Still, not terrible. And I kinda found it amusing seeing those two destiny duos bumping into each other: Superman/Lois and GA/BC.

Only downer is that I would have appreciated a more challenging storyline. I found the ep entertaining but there wasn't much real progress except for the ship front. "Blue" and "Persona" really spoiled me with their season-defining moments. I wanted to see Lois in journalistic action again and I woulda liked to see Clark&Ollie fighting JLA style instead of butting heads and reverting to early season6.

Anyway, I'm likin' season7 a lot more with the past 3 or 4 episodes. Oh, one note of alarm: Please don't tell me we just had our last Lana Luthor scene! I know she's kinda overboard and unbelievable but I LOVED the plotline that had Lana toe-to-toe with the evil Luthors; it was my favorite development from "Promise" last year--> "welcome to the family".

[do3mire]

5/10. An ok episode. Persona was so much more interesting. The Clana was resolved too quickly. I was hoping that the Chlana in Wrath would be developed but it looks like it's all been conveniently swept under the rug. The show just sucks at continuity! There was a lot of Lois and while I though ED did well, her story was horrible. From GG back to OQ in a blink of a moment and then all overl in 1 epi. Just like Clana. I think I should revise it down to a 3 or 4.

[samanta]

I'm probably the only one but I didn't like Siren. It was too much focused on relationships IMO. Resurrection of Lollie, Clana angst. Lionel asking for Lana's help was unbelievable and destroying of his character and I hoped they will be more focused on BC and action than relationship angst.
I gave it 4.

[SweetOne]

It's a good episode and if you want Clark to retain his balls, I suggest missing the last 4 minutes but other then that good episode

I was so convinced that I would be able to give this episode a perfect 10!! *gasp*

The show was 99% clear of a Clana revival....and then "the last 4 minutes" *exhasperated sigh* "Die Clan Die!!! Already!!"

And I am pleased to ECHO many other posters' sentiments.....I had to go with a 9 because of Lana (specifically the ending)

Siren - Lana= Perfect 10!

LOVED The Green Arrow. Man that guy is so unbelievably SEXY in his costume. ROWR!!
LOVED Lollie!! Lois and Ollie always have great chemistry. There scenes are HOT which is the exact opposite of the GROIS scenes!! It was so cute when she tried to protect his "secret identity" from Clark and Chloe.
LOVED Alpha "portective" Clark over Chloe. He wuvs her!!

The BEST SCENE by far was when Ollie told Clark to get off his LAZY butt. It was simply beautiful. Olliver said everything to Clark that I have been longing to for AGES!!! GROW UP MAN!!! Make plans for the future!! Think proactive not reactive!!! God Clark there is a whole world out there!!!

Oliver is so much more man than Clark.....

[jor-eldeux]

So what's wrong with this picture? The AlMiles remake. "It was what I've been wanting to tell Clark for ... years ... " Ever ... Ever in all the history of Superman .... who's ever wanted to tell off Kal-El? Anger at the only living son of Krypton? Come on. (ed: To Mr. Welling and Ms. Durance, I have no issues with you. I would love to see the two of you in something else. The chemistry IS there.)

The last four minutes .... I got my TV off the wall and put it outside trying to get Lana out the door. (ed: KK same goes for you. Femme fatale, super spy, loved the trench coat, loved the blond wig in Singapore.)

Clark for Lois right now? Perfect. She can't handle the double identity. He doesn't have one much less two. And its not about losing his balls, they've never given him any to begin with since day one.

Hopefully this is the last season ...

I get slammed for crying over the lack of respect to the mythos ... but's let's separate this from the mythos, pretend Superman never existed prior to this show. Would you still watch it? Would you have started watching it to begin with? Some dorky ET and his meteor infected pals reak havoc on a small town then move to the big city and reak havoc on a great metropolitan newspaper? Puh leeze

Could you take any other version of the Superman TV/Movie/Cartoon, watch it just before or after this, and except for the names staying the same, see any resemblence at all? Na da

You're asking - why does this guy watch at all? Well every week I hope ... they turn the corner. Did anybody catch Clark - at the end - standing on the roof with the American flags waving behind him? Nice tribute to George Reeves. They tease me just enough to think .. well, maybe next week they will quit this screwing around and do it. And they did it again.

Perry White (yelling at Jimmy Olsen) "... and what have you got."
Jimmy Olsen (throws the picture on the table) "Look up in the sky"
Perry "It's a bird"
Lois "It's a plane"
Clark sticks his head in the door and says,
"You were looking for me?"

Yeah - I'm looking for Superman.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

In regards to the Lana situation, at least Clark told her like it was in regards to her :looking at him" and that it was her own "reflection" she was having trouble with.
Them he goes and wimps out at the end.
Deep down that boy knows, he knows they are not meant to be together, what will it take?

[MixTKO]

Gave the episode an 8.
Wasn't really thrilled with the last 4 minutes, so that's a 1 point deduction right off the bat. And I found the scenes with Lionel and Lana very corny. Why would LL need Lana for info on Lex anymore. He used her when she was married but the fact that she can get more intel than Lionel right now makes him look soft.

Really liked the GA/CK interactions. Love it when people push Clark to get off his arse. Liked the introduction of BC. And Clark and Lois' moment at the end was nice. Overall great episode.

[smallville32]

I thought the episode was good but not great

[curiosity]

I gave it the highest rating so far this season.

Even though I did not like the way Canary looked, the actress did a fair job with it.

The Lois scene was really well done.

How many times do the characters need to hit Clark over the head with "Get off the farm and make a difference!" thing before it soaks in.
It would make Smallville more interesting if he did go out of town a time or two and catch at least a purse snatcher.

Or at least stopped some crime in Metropolis and Smallville every episode. I gave the episode a 9. It was almost a 10, but not enough about Clark for that. Clark didn't save anyone except Black Canary. Any episode with a Lois and Clark scene can't be less than a 9.

[dbell26]

I have to say it was one of the best episodes in a while. The action was good and the storyline flowed. As an added plus all the women on Smallville are pretty hot but the Black Canary took it to another level (maybe it was the fishnets lol!).

[Bryden88]

Not sure why people let Clana make or break an episode...

I for one liked the end. Why?

Let's face it. Clark's wanted Lana for all these years, and he has her. Now then, he speaks to Lois and he realizes he's been a jerk. Can you blame him for trying to make it work one more time? Put aside your anti-Clana hats or "Chlark" hats. The show isn't about ships. It's about Clark. Tell me that you wouldn't try to make it work with the only woman/person you've ever truly loved at all costs? Tell me you wouldn't try one last time. That's what he's trying to do.

Obviously they'll be split up but I would wager the "Clana" story won't end until the show does, and hopefully we'll get another year out of Smallville.

*Must be one of the few who doesn't give a rats behind about "ships"*

[MidgardDragon]

Not sure why people let Clana make or break an episode...


Nor do I. Apparently all that matters is that Clark wears a cape and smacks Lana around.

[diinIN]

How many times do the characters need to hit Clark over the head with "Get off the farm and make a difference!" thing before it soaks in.

Has he really been on the farm? I remember him fighting a bunch of phantoms all during season 6 and up 'til last week, and meteor freaks and others in previous seasons. He's hardly been sitting around in bliss on the farm. Because he's not on a single mission with Ollie to destroy Lex, Ollie thinks he's not doing anything at all. Clark never stands up for himself when people misunderstand him. He's humble, and he doesn't need to answer to them.

I liked this episode. Gave it a 7, instead of an 8, just because of the ending. Didn't like that he's so forgiving of Lana. He was under the influence of Red K in Metropolis in S3, and still he took responsibility for his actions and still blames himself. Lana has no excuse, but she's always trying to blame everyone else. He was right to direct her into realizing that it was her conscience that was condemning her, not him. Trying to do the right thing does not make him self-righteous.

I do think he's realizing that Lana isn't for him. Dax-Ur said that he knew in the span of a heartbeat that he wanted to give up his powers for Grace, but Clark has no such inclination for Lana.

Great to have Green Arrow back, and I liked the Black Canary, especially the subsonic thing. That was cool. Could have done without the weird flipping, though. The fight between Lex and Ollie was weird. Didn't look like a normal SV fight. Always love Clark in "Clark time" deflecting bullets and arrows and other flying things.

Erica did a wonderful job, and we all know Lois will change her mind in the future when she's more in love with Clark than she ever was with Ollie.

[blackcelebration]

Not sure why people let Clana make or break an episode...

I for one liked the end. Why?

Let's face it. Clark's wanted Lana for all these years, and he has her. Now then, he speaks to Lois and he realizes he's been a jerk. Can you blame him for trying to make it work one more time? Put aside your anti-Clana hats or "Chlark" hats. The show isn't about ships. It's about Clark. Tell me that you wouldn't try to make it work with the only woman/person you've ever truly loved at all costs? Tell me you wouldn't try one last time. That's what he's trying to do.

Obviously they'll be split up but I would wager the "Clana" story won't end until the show does, and hopefully we'll get another year out of Smallville.

*Must be one of the few who doesn't give a rats behind about "ships"*

You're not alone ;)

TO SUM UP
-Oliver arrives in town & wants to catch Black Canary.
-Black Canary works for Lex who wants her to capture Green Arrow.
-Clark tells Lana he can't believe what she's become.
-Lois sees Oliver & after Black Canary attack finds out that Ollie is Green Arrow.
-Lionel wants to bring down Lex for the murder of his clone son.
-Black Canary goes good when she finds out Lex's true motives.
-Lois decides not to go with Ollie cos she doesn't feel she has the riight to share him with the world.
-Lana tries to leave (more blackmail) Clark falls for it. Clana is still on... for now.


Overal the best episode of the season 9/10

THE GOOD

Clana-
Yes I'm gonna say it Clana was actually watchable. I liked how Clark finally was able to have the balls to say what he felt about Lana from bizzaro to Lex & everything... ok maybe people won't be able to agree with everything he said but what he did say was very much in character & needed to be said.

LOIS-
The best Lois performance in Smallville. Her being unable to accept Ollie because of GA was interesting & for her Smallville self in character. Like the rest of the characters there was genuine & believable development in this episode.

BLACK CANARY-
Cool character who we knew enough without her steeling the show from the other characters.

ACTION
The fight seen between Lex/BCanary Lex/Green Arrow was cool. I liked how Lex just took a shot without thinking about it when dealing with The Black Canary. OK he's not quite there yet but he's getting there... Oh but wait until next episode & he'll be Lana pining again:\

THE STORY
Smallville has suckd for ever for stories well since Season 6's Justice the rest is either watchable or really poor but for the first time since Justice there was a really watchable episode that went beyond expectations. Everything worked here from Clana to Clois to Chlark without it being forced or unbelievable. Ironically Justice was episode 6:11 with Siren 7:11.

MYTHOS
Admittingly the show has been trying (although in a very messy manner) to go by mythos especially difficult after the mess that was season 6 but this finally felt like it was heading somewhere & for the first time in ages I can't wait to watch the next episode although I just know they're gonna have Clana back & Lionel good or evil depending on the day & of course everyone saying how great Lana is :\


THE BAD


LIONEL
If I had to go knitpicking then I'll have to say Lionel who from killing a lady is now all of a sudden good AGAIN!!!

GREEN ARROW/LOIS SCENES
Although watachable & the end outcome was believable it was a bit too coincidental that they'd just fall straight back in love (ok attracted) with each other. Also Oliver didn't seem so upset afterwards cos he was chatting up The Black Canary (I know guys are b***@!!:rotfl:)

CLANA ENDING
Although believable that Clark wouldn't want Lana to leave so soon (who did it more as a blackmail than cos she wants to move in with Chloe;)) it would have been more fitting for her to actually leave & for Clark to say something like what will you do run off with Lex or the next millionaire you can find... ok nasty but understandable.



But overal a huge improvement on the last episode that I gave a 4.

This is a 9 so please let's continue seeing our characters develop.


Please comment.:)

[All about Clark]

This one was a 10 for me and I haven't had a ten since Justice. I liked everything about it, it had action, it had story depth, it had a wonderful flow, it had continuation, and it felt the way you wanted the characters to act and experience.

I loved the Clois, I loved Chlark, I even loved the Clana distastefullness.

Interesting scene with Lana and Lionel. Lionel warned her of her losing herself in her quest to bring Lex down, and now she is doing the same for him. It would appear that no one believes Lex is worth saving anymore.

[Promise]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! CLANA IS BACK!!!! Miss the Passion and it was there, at least in the eyes and dialouge.

Loved this episode. The best thing about this episode was the dialouge through out the whole episode. Lionel/Lana, Clark/Lana, Lois/Green Arrow, Chloe/Clark, Lex. If anything, this episode was for the fans that have been following since it started. Loved Clark talking about Season 3's disappeance.

Good episode, lilttle action, but still good.

[Jade4813]

Nor do I. Apparently all that matters is that Clark wears a cape and smacks Lana around.

I don't think anyone (okay, I should leave open the possibility and say instead "most of us") are wanting Clark to "smack Lana around" - er....usually. I could probably think of a moment or when Lana deserved a good smack, but generally that's from Chloe and not Clark. :lol:


Not sure why people let Clana make or break an episode...

I for one liked the end. Why?

Let's face it. Clark's wanted Lana for all these years, and he has her. Now then, he speaks to Lois and he realizes he's been a jerk. Can you blame him for trying to make it work one more time? Put aside your anti-Clana hats or "Chlark" hats. The show isn't about ships. It's about Clark. Tell me that you wouldn't try to make it work with the only woman/person you've ever truly loved at all costs? Tell me you wouldn't try one last time. That's what he's trying to do.

Obviously they'll be split up but I would wager the "Clana" story won't end until the show does, and hopefully we'll get another year out of Smallville.

*Must be one of the few who doesn't give a rats behind about "ships"*

You make a good point...except for one little thing. Which I'll get to in a moment, but I have to preface it first.

The Clana didn't kill this episode for me, which I found incredibly surprising, given that I'd seen part of that conversation before watching the episode and thought, "Really?" But in the context of the rest of the episode, it wasn't so bad.

As for why Clana kills the episodes in general, I think that's a fairly broad statement that may not be entirely accurate (at least, the way that I THINK you're implying that people say Clana kills episodes). Honestly, I wouldn't mind Clana as a ship being put in episodes. Or Chlark. Clois. Clex. Clalby. Any ship of choice. I mean, I have ships I prefer, as do most, but I can enjoy a series with or without that ship. I can enjoy a series that has another ship going on.

The problem isn't in Clana per se but in the way that it's done. It isn't that Clark and Lana are together. It's not even that Clark likes Lana and some people just don't like her character. The problem is that in the past seven seasons, this relationship really hasn't changed. It's the same thing, week after week after week after week… (The only difference being that now it's without the "secret and lies" mantra that was SO annoyingly overdone.) It's become so repetitive as to be formulaic, and you can tolerate watching such redundancy for a season, but after a while, it kind of makes you wish you could claw your own eyes out rather than watch it again.

This isn't just a shipper issue. It's a problem that can apply to any aspect of a show. In fact, it can apply to several aspects of Smallville. If you can ever give a synopsis of the show and it could describe any one of a dozen or so episodes, the show has become so redundant to be formulaic.

"Let me guess! This is the episode where something bad happens and only Clark can take care of it, but he doesn't know how. So he goes to Chloe, who looks something up on the computer and gives him the answer. He tosses the bad guy into a wall, and the problem is taken care of. Meanwhile, he and Lana get into a fight about his secret/his lifestyle stemming from his secret/because he's an idiot and they break up/talk about breaking up/feel really guilty for having ever been born. Later, they talk (usually in the loft, in earlier seasons.) Lana cries. Clark admits that it was all his fault, even if the argument was over something she did and not something he did. In fact, even if she contributed to the problem, that's swept under the rug and she accepts no culpability whatsoever because it is, in fact, all his fault. As is everything. They make up, staring deeply into each other's eyes. And then, while the bell tolls a death knell above, they talk about how they're so perfect for each other."

Compare that with…

"Oh, let me guess! This is the episode where a patent comes into the hospital with really strange symptoms. The doctors can't figure it out, but they try all kinds of things that make the patient worse. Until House goes into the clinic and has a perfectly innocuous conversation with a patient there that gives him the answer to his problem."

That was a thing that they did in House too much at first, and that was as annoying as a formulaic device as the previous one.

Episodes aren't ruined because it's CLANA that's brought into the episode. It's because you know, from the moment that the scene begins, how it's going to end. You can almost say the dialogue word for word. "I want us to be together." "It's all my fault." "I don't want to lose you." There's been no evolution. No growth. No demostrable or real CHANGE. It's the same thing in season 7 as it was in season 6. Season 5. Etc.

To some degree, this end was different...if you want to pick apart the inner motivations of the characters - which is almost a pointless endeavor, as we've discovered time and time again that even if we think their motivations have changed, they can't possibly because we're going to be given the same old thing next week.

Lana did something that would be hard to get over, and regardless of whether you feel like she SHOULD have known better, the fact of the matter is that it was something that WOULD take some time to get over. Yeah, he was a jerk in that episode...though maybe he was a jerk who had a point. (Which might be what made the Clana in this episode bearable - for once he not only had a point, he actually made it instead of rolling over, showing his tender underbelly to Lana, and begging her not to kick it.) But in other respects, he handled the problem the way he always has. His way of dealing with the situation is to go to Lana and say, I'm not perfect, and the problems in our relationship are my fault. Let's try it one more time. Which would even be okay, I suppose, except how many "one more time"s do we have to extend? If every time you walk through your front door, you get punched in the face, how many times does it take before you realize that maybe you should try coming in through the window?

I have no doubt that Clana will be dragged out to the bitter end...which would have been okay, if the Clana dynamic this season were any different than it has ever been. But it's not, and I doubt it ever will be. THAT'S why Clana kills the episodes (when it does). Not because of the relationship per se, but because it's the same thing we've seen time and time again. It's the same people doing the same thing in the same places with almost verbatim dialogue, in some cases. It's boring and redundant, and in a show that has such potential to do the new and different, it's a black hole. Its redundancy kills the episodes.

Anyway, that's the way I see it.

[quietone]

Jade4813, your analysis of why Clana hurts this show is spot on. It's not the relationship itself but, the way Clana affects the characters and at times the overall storylines on the show that creates bitter feelings among some of the fans.

[MidgardDragon]

Jade4813, your analysis of why Clana hurts this show is spot on.

:lol:

Before I say anything else, let it be known that I could care less about any ship. However, it's very hilarious to sit back and basically watch anti-Clana people pat each other on the back for saying the same things to each other over and over.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

^
Well, it's equally hilarious to hear you say the same thing over and over again.....

[Akselsoft]

Ironic that you say GA is so cheesey - he's always been like that in the comics as well.

And BC has been around for ever...of course, it always felt like Liberty Belle (from 1942 to All Star Squadron) was the precursor to her..

[jimmyolsenblues]

its very hard to say what is cheesy about the show and what is not cheesy.
Its the story of superman, I mean lets all be honest, superman has been over the top cheesy for decades.

[Maddie Van Horn]

Loved this episode,new heros are always good, but clark was a little harsh on lana....cool clois moment though :)

[RJLCyberPunk]

Oh I absolutely loved the introduction of yet another DC comics superhero and I nearly applauded when at the end you see Black Canary and Green Arrow going off in a date of sorts that and the fact that we now see that Lana and Clark are both realizing that is better for them to be good friends rather than lovers brings the show yet one step closer to canon!:D

Now if only Wonder Woman or Hawkgirl make an appearance too...

[EricaIsGr8t]

Hey, I'm new and just wanted to say Hi! I gave the new episode a 7.

Good:
-Erica in any episode makes me happy, but I've got to say that her performance in Siren was awesome. She really did great, you can see how she has grown as an actress since season 4.
- Clois scene!!!! Hell yeah. Us cloisers haven't had proper cloisness since Bizzaro, we needed this.
-Ollie. The merry archer made an appearance! Two words...Justin, Shirtless.
-Dare I say it...Clana was not so bad today. You can tell that their relationship is ending but I think the writers want to end it amicably, because they are supposed to end up as friends.

Bad
- Clark is so stepping into the bad side with the whole letting the knife hit Lex thing!
- Black Canary was ok, but I expected more...
- Does no one else know that Grant is dead!!! What the heck is up with that.

[monel49]

Gave the episode an 8--very entertaining. One problem and I wonder if anyone else feels the same way. Shouldn't Lois know about Grant/Julian's death; shouldn't she be somewhat affected by that? Seems to be a plot glitch that made her parting with Green Arrow a little awkward. Losing Grant and Ollie?! And she's okay?

[Blue screen of death]

wow i gave that a 10.

That was great. BC was awesome. The fight scenes were great. Especially the GA, Lex, BC, and CK showin up at the last minute. Watching clark actually decide to who to save BC or Lex and saving the girl he barely knew, outstanding. Lex going all crazy with the guns was good too. Lex is just about at that breaking point of no return of being lex. Really saw the begining of "lois and clark" in that episode in my opinion. I was actually a bit impressed with lana this episode too, don't get me wrong i am the first person to want to see stompy the horse make a reapperance or Zod ask her about the hand, but i thought it was nice to see that she is starting to understand clark. What i mean is the time she spent with bizarro seemed to make her realize that she will never really be able to be with clark. Bizarro was clarks opposite he wanted the lana relationship he want to be with her he did not want to embrace any sort of real destiny that didn't involve lana etc. in a nutshell .... lana is starting to get that clarks destiny is to great. He is going to affect the lives of many more people then just her and really doesn't want to share clark with the rest of the world. See lois and clarks talk about lois dating GA/ollie for a nice expose` on that =) . There were some nice quotes to go with some of that too but i can't remember them. I really liked the "superhero powwow" at the end too. "wanna be appart of the team? I am not really a team player. You'll fit right in then" or the " didn't see you bounce bullets off your chest or give the secret handshake or anything whats your deal? ......in due time." She knows something is up with CK from him superspeeding around her at the mansion but not sure what exactly. It really felt like i was watching a justice league side story to me i was a comic book geek in geek heaven last night.

[superman2001]

I thought The Episode, was awesome, i really did like the opening scene, where Green Arrow, saved Chloe, from Black Canary, and i also liked the scene, where Lois, found out who Green Arrow, was, My Favorite scene, in the Episode, is the Fight between Lex, and Green Arrow, I can't wait to see next week's episode, it is going to be great.

[smallvillelogan]

Gave the episode an 8--very entertaining. One problem and I wonder if anyone else feels the same way. Shouldn't Lois know about Grant/Julian's death; shouldn't she be somewhat affected by that? Seems to be a plot glitch that made her parting with Green Arrow a little awkward. Losing Grant and Ollie?! And she's okay?

Yes, this is a plot problem, unless it's addressed in like the next two episodes. If it isn't, I'd say its another plot hole. It seems like she would be extremely affected by his death, and combined with having to leave Oliver, it seems like she would be beyond depressed by the end of the episode- that is, again, if she knows about Grant's death.

----- Added 8 Minutes later -----

This was a '10' episode for me, for many reasons:

The action scenes:
- the scene before the credits, where Canary takes the DVD and plummets off the building.
- Lex, Canary, GA, Clark. Holy freakin' cow. It was sweet to see Lex fight him off for at least a while. Then the gun stuff was intense, and it was cool to see Clark make the decision to save Canary though he doesn't know her that well. But then again, it's that sort of behavior that makes him the hero that he is and will become.

The slower scenes:
- Lana is honest with Clark about the BrainIAC-infected woman, but then Clark is appalled that she shared this time with Bizarro. He couldn't believe that she couldn't see through the guise and realize that it was the Phantom. I loved this scene because it felt like we were moving away from Clana. :) Welling and Kreuk both acted so well in this scene.
- Clark and Chloe discovering who Black Canary is. Another great sleuth scene with Welling and Allison.
- Clark convincing Black Canary that she may not be on the right side with Lex, reminding her that she doesn't know what Lex is doing in those LuthorCorp buildings.
- Welling and Durance near the end. I really feel like this scene marks the first time that Clark/Lois is moving in the proper direction. You can really see how much Clark and Lois at least care for one another now, especially when they used to be annoyed by each other. This scene also marked the first time I personally felt sympathetic for Lois.

The only tinsy thing that bothered me was at the end of the episode, when Clark tells Lana that he wants to continue the relationship. But there was too much to love, from superhero mythology, to action, to a sympathetic Lois, to GA coming back, to make me not want to vote this episode a 10.

[Jade4813]

:lol:

Before I say anything else, let it be known that I could care less about any ship. However, it's very hilarious to sit back and basically watch anti-Clana people pat each other on the back for saying the same things to each other over and over.

:lol:

We might say new things if they gave us new material to work with. Since they don't, we have the same complaint as we always have (which is that we're watching the same thing over and over). But, then again, if they gave us new material to work with, we probably wouldn't be so compelled to complain about it. Talk about your classic conundrum... Which came first? The repetitive Clana, or the compulsion to complain about the repetitive Clana? You'd think the former, but who knows? The world may never decide. ;)


Gave the episode an 8--very entertaining. One problem and I wonder if anyone else feels the same way. Shouldn't Lois know about Grant/Julian's death; shouldn't she be somewhat affected by that? Seems to be a plot glitch that made her parting with Green Arrow a little awkward. Losing Grant and Ollie?! And she's okay?

I don't think she knows. First, I doubt it was advertised by Lex, who probably did his level best to hide it. And even Lionel probably didn't have much of an incentive to come out and make it public. "My son made a clone of my dead baby son and then killed him!" No, I'm betting they covered that up right quick. When she speaks of her relationship with Grant, she says something about how it didn't end well or that it ended badly (don't remember the exact words). Whatever her words were, they were typical of what you'd say of someone who broke up with you. Not someone who died. ("Remember that guy I took to your wedding who wore your garter around his head like a sweatband? Yeah, THAT went well." That kind of thing.) Maybe I'm wrong, but when people lose a boyfriend/fiance/girlfriend/etc., they don't talk about how the relationship "ended" in the sense of "Even regardless of how that ended..." they talk about how they "lost" that person - even if the relationship was on the rocks when the death occurred.

So I'm thinking she doesn't know. In fact, outside of the Luthors, I'm not sure many people, if any, do. Lex probably did with Grant what he did with Wes - took the body and hid it. I suspect Lois might find out what happened...if the writers bother to remember the character existed in another four episodes. Otherwise, I suppose in "offscreenville", someone dropped a letter to Lois & Co. saying that Grant had gotten a cushy position in Zurich and don't try to contact him, thankyouverymuch.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

This episode is awesome! I dont know if anyone caught it and already posted it but I love the Rocky Road Ice Cream connection with Lois. Cause the Lois in L&C ate RR Ice cream also! That was cool....he he get it?!?!?!?!?

[Krypton935]

10! that ep was frickin amazing!!! I loved it! All that action and lois finally learning that green arrow and oliver queen are one in the same! frickin awesome! black canary was sweet I hope she makes a return one day! it was all around awesome!

[xrayvision]

I gave it a 5. I just didn't care for the episode. It was too shippy for me. I also wish the Black Canary would have had more charisma. I actually would rather not have Black Canary or any other heroes on this show throughout this season, especially since it will end in a few episodes. I wanted to see more of an aftermath with Lex after having Grant killed. I hated what they did with Lionel. The highlights were the fight at the end and the Lois-Clark scene, though like I said in another post, I wish their good scenes didn't have to be sad or involve 'ships and instead focused on them becoming better friends and sharing research (e.g. Lex) together.

I liked Clark getting his balls back, but the ending ruined that as well.

[FlannelKing]

Black canary , or Ann Coulter in disguise, you decide.... All kidding aside thought the episode was great. Should be a very interesting political dynamics between Green Arrow and Black Canary.

[SweetOne]

Tell me that you wouldn't try to make it work with the only woman/person you've ever truly loved at all costs? Tell me you wouldn't try one last time. That's what he's trying to do.

But MY GOD, how many "one more time's" do we have to suffer through?? Enough is enough!!


The problem isn't in Clana per se but in the way that it's done. It isn't that Clark and Lana are together. It's not even that Clark likes Lana and some people just don't like her character. The problem is that in the past seven seasons, this relationship really hasn't changed. It's the same thing, week after week after week after week… (The only difference being that now it's without the "secret and lies" mantra that was SO annoyingly overdone.) It's become so repetitive as to be formulaic, and you can tolerate watching such redundancy for a season, but after a while, it kind of makes you wish you could claw your own eyes out rather than watch it again.

Episodes aren't ruined because it's CLANA that's brought into the episode. It's because you know, from the moment that the scene begins, how it's going to end. You can almost say the dialogue word for word. "I want us to be together." "It's all my fault." "I don't want to lose you." There's been no evolution. No growth. No demostrable or real CHANGE. It's the same thing in season 7 as it was in season 6. Season 5. Etc.

Lana did something that would be hard to get over, and regardless of whether you feel like she SHOULD have known better, the fact of the matter is that it was something that WOULD take some time to get over. Yeah, he was a jerk in that episode...though maybe he was a jerk who had a point. (Which might be what made the Clana in this episode bearable - for once he not only had a point, he actually made it instead of rolling over, showing his tender underbelly to Lana, and begging her not to kick it.) But in other respects, he handled the problem the way he always has. His way of dealing with the situation is to go to Lana and say, I'm not perfect, and the problems in our relationship are my fault. Let's try it one more time. Which would even be okay, I suppose, except how many "one more time"s do we have to extend? If every time you walk through your front door, you get punched in the face, how many times does it take before you realize that maybe you should try coming in through the window?

Anyway, that's the way I see it.

I see it that way too. I would have quoted your whole post but it was long, so I paired it down a little, although I agree with EVERYTHING! Here are some parts I particularly liked....

There's been no evolution. No growth. No demostrable or real CHANGE. It's the same thing in season 7 as it was in season 6. Season 5. Etc.

This is a perfect description of the Clana we have witnessed over the years.

(Which might be what made the Clana in this episode bearable - for once he not only had a point, he actually made it instead of rolling over, showing his tender underbelly to Lana, and begging her not to kick it.)

The Clana in this episode was more than bearable, it was actually enjoyable because Clark did not immediately absolve Lana of blame. He actually stood up to her, made her responsible for her own actions and maintained the fact that what she did was wrong (which would have actually shown that Clark was growing up and learning) ....but wait that enjoyment lasted about 5 seconds......what did you say Jade? The fact of the matter is that it was something that WOULD take some time to get over. But apparently NOT for Clark (big surprise). Yes, he made a good point that lasted mere seconds and then he promptly rolled over for Lana and now we're back to square one. *sighs*

Let's try it one more time. Which would even be okay, I suppose, except how many "one more time"s do we have to extend?

Exactly! I laughed when I read this because it mirrored my thoughts exactly when I was responding to the above poster.....

[Smallvilledabest]

I loved every single minute of Siren. 10

[Farview]

I thought it was a great episode.

Things I really liked:
-- Oliver Queen being called a "limousine liberal"
-- Black Canary's fishnet stockings (what can I say? I'm a guy)
-- Oliver telling Clark to get off his butt and get in the game
-- the start of Clark's move away from Lana and towards Lois

I'm not sure why everyone is griping about the last four minutes. This is the beginning of the end for clana. When Lana said she's working on the relationship and Clark has doubts, Clark essentially said yes so, c'mon, that is the beginning of the end of the end. I just wish they would get on with it.

[Vatusia]

I loved it! Great casting of Black Canary, and I loved the way they handled her character. I loved the way TPTB brought in all of the current JLA!SV members so seamlessly. The interplay was excellent. The fight at the end made me want to see this cast in a future JLA movie. Great work! :)

[Darkcook]

That was a fantastic episode. "Persona" was sort of slightly disappointing, but this time we had lot of mythology with Green Arrow, Black Canary, Clark realizing a bit more that he could become a superhero, fighting against Lex, being closer with Lois... Lots of action, special effects... I expected nothing particular from this episode, I expected it less than all the others... Great.

[Chesay]

When Green Arrow is in the episode the action begins. He's the "Superman" we should be seeing in Clark and it livens the episode up every time. The deliberate angst that the writers feel is necessary and the dark mood Smallville is given, to me is a mistake. Lex and anything surrounding him should be dark, but Clark should represent the light and there should be joy around him. Why should Lex want what Clark has when it is as dark as his life is already?

The Black Canary really was enjoyable to watch. Knowing that she had a relationship with Green Arrow in the comics made their interaction interesting. Lois' difficulty is coming to grips with her feelings about Oliver and dealing with his dual identity was well done. When she talked of how she could never come to grips with it I believed her and wondered how she ever managed to do it in the comics to be with Superman...interesting.

John Glover is always a delight in every episode I see him in, although I enjoyed his character more when he was the MB and you knew he was. Now his character is murky and ill-defined for me and I struggle to figure him out, usually feeling frustrated and wondering why his role has been so mistreated. Michael does the best he can with what he gets, but I miss the quiet, immersed undercurrent of evil. I'd have preferred an explanation of how he got so bad after years of slow efforts to be good. I'm sure it is because this is his last year, but I'd prefer a more nuanced performance than just out and out violence. I like his evil to be cool, calculated, and cerebral.

I enjoyed the episode more than I had expected to and that always makes me feel better.

[Xanderman]

9/10

Very fun ep, I would have given it a 10 if it wasn't for some glaring repetitiveness (my biggest, and most recurring peeve with SV)....ahh Al & Miles, you repetitive fools.

Stuff we've seen before in some shape or form:

1. Lex and his office in the mansion. Come on now, how many times have people tried to attack/harm/kill Lex there? More than a few times. He has no other hangouts? Is that the only room in the mansion he plots from? Does he live in that room? Does the mind of every writer live there as well? Would it really have been that difficult to think up some other location Lex could have been, and still make the story work the way they wanted it to? Really sick of same-old stuff like this that Smallville is famous, or infamous for.
2. Black Canary felt a lot like another Angel of Vengeance to me. She went through a similar path too, first seen as a possible "villain" or shady character, eventually redeeming herself. She walked around unmasked at the Daily Planet in a scene or two too, just like AofV.
3. Her power -- sonic screams or whatever, we've seen something similar before with that dude in Whisper -- strike another one against A&M in the originality dept.

Cool special effects and action sequences:

1. BC's sonic scream looked great and actually looked very much like Dark City's "tuning". I half expected one of the "strangers" to pop in and point at her and scream "She can tune" :lol:
2. Lex firing off his guns repeatedly in slowmo in his battle with GA was very Matrix like and also reminded me of some of the crazy gun fights in Equilibrium. Very fun sequence.

Other Stuff

I liked the foreshadowing in this episode, multiple instances of it, and well done. Oliver being back was good, great character and actor. The Oliver/Lois stuff was great, as was the Clark/Lois stuff. Lois was actually a very likable character in this ep. I didn't like that Clark saved Lex's life again (or at least I think he did during that slow-mo sequence). How many times has he saved his life? At this point, Lex pretty much deserves to die. Clark shouldn't be going out of his way trying to save him anymore. It doesn't make sense to me, they're pretty much enemies now. Saving him back when they were true-blue friends is one thing, but continuing to do so ignores the changes in their relationship.

Hello Lois, Goodbye Lana?

This was one of the best Lois eps so far imo. And with Lana being so messed up and "damaged goods" to the extreme now, it is Lois of all people that in comparison, comes off as the simple, small town girl, the person that Lana Lang used to be, and arguably was supposed to be until Al & Miles had their way with her. I mean they practically raped Lana Lang and threw her to the wolves afterward.:lol: They've evolved Lana Lang in so many ways that she's beyond Chloe, Lois and virtually every other female in so many categories. She's beautiful, tough, and smart. Who needs Chloe and Lois next to the Lana they had created? They took Lana so high up that they had no choice but to destroy her "integrity" wise -- she's done a lot of questionable things, kept a lot of secrets, made a lot of poor decisions, and is no longer "good enough" for the future Man of Steel. Lois Lane is now set apart as the clear winner in terms of overall qualities -- she is a better woman than Lana Lang, who is clearly damaged beyond repair. The Clana is nearing its final end, the yo-yo is finally about to snap.

Again, this would have been a 10 for me if more thought for originality went into some of the story components, instead of just simply rehashing things we've seen before (or just changing them slightly).

[smallvillecrazygurl04]

I gave it a 5, The episode was alright, I loved that Oliver came back, and the whole Lex and Oliver kicking each other's asses was pretty awesome!

Also the Clois scene made me tear up alittle, such a pleasant scene.

[jazel]

9/10

Oliver being back was good, great character and actor. The Oliver/Lois stuff was great, as was the Clark/Lois stuff. Lois was actually a very likable character in this ep.
Hello Lois, Goodbye Lana?

This was one of the best Lois eps so far imo. And with Lana being so messed up and "damaged goods" to the extreme now, it is Lois of all people that in comparison, comes off as the simple, small town girl, the person that Lana Lang used to be, and arguably was supposed to be until Al & Miles had their way with her. I mean they practically raped Lana Lang and threw her to the wolves afterward.:lol: They've evolved Lana Lang in so many ways that she's beyond Chloe, Lois and virtually every other female in so many categories. She's beautiful, tough, and smart. Who needs Chloe and Lois next to the Lana they had created? They took Lana so high up that they had no choice but to destroy her "integrity" wise -- she's done a lot of questionable things, kept a lot of secrets, made a lot of poor decisions, and is no longer "good enough" for the future Man of Steel. Lois Lane is now set apart as the clear winner in terms of overall qualities -- she is a better woman than Lana Lang, who is clearly damaged beyond repair. The Clana is nearing its final end, the yo-yo is finally about to snap.

Again, this would have been a 10 for me if more thought for originality went into some of the story components, instead of just simply rehashing things we've seen before (or just changing them slightly).

LIKE, the way YOU, perceive things.:D
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[haltoe]

I don't like what I heard about it because it's an example of the dilletantism of the writers. They can't take a character and develop him or her. This episode was a waste because Smallville should be developing Kara. She should be Smallville's superheroine. Instead we had this stunt of dragging in Black Canary. Forget Black Canary, show Kara-Supergirl!!!!

[KaraClarkfan]

the episode was good but i would like to see more of black canary and the green arrow in more future episodes

[Xanderman]

LIKE, the way YOU, perceive things.:D
thanks for sharing :)Thanks.:)

[Kirstycol]

I gave this episode a 6.
This episode was ... ok. Lana needs therapy. She finally gets some inner strength and she decides not to look for evidence on Lex so she can be the person clark can love. *Puke Although there was the scene where she was looking for the evidence on him and found it. Hopefully she is just saying that to Lionel to distract him so she can use the evidence somewhere down the line. I'm soooo glad the episode ended with Clark and Lana sort of breaking up. They better stay broken up. Seriously. If they keep on going back and forth and back and forth I'm gonna puke. I mean seriously... 7 years of that crap! Break up already!
Clark is really pissing me off. He's a little mysoginistic... I know he thinks he's just looking out for his friends but he has no right to tell people what to do. He'd be happy if all the girls just sat at home knitting and drinking tea while him and the justice league take on Lex. LOL All the women in this show seem to have to fight just to be treated as equals. It's disgusting. However I will give the green arrow his due. He doesn't seem to do that. He utilizes everyone and thier skills and lets them make thier own desicions. That's part of what makes him sexy.

I looooved how he was topless AGAIN!!!! When isn't he topless? LOL

The fight scene at the end was a little cheezy. Much to my dissapointment Lex hasn't really ever been a big combat fighter. He's always getting knocked out and thrown across the room. And suddenlly he's keeping up in a fight with the green arrow blow for blow... Please LMFAO I mean it was hot to see... but a little unbeliveable. They need to show Lex in more fight scenes to make it beliveable. Or at least show him training a bit more. Lex has always relied on his intelligence as opposed to his muscle. If they aren't going to show him training then they should just stick to him being the brains of his operations.

Why is the yellow canary hanging up her boots? That's so lame. She should just learn from this mistake and keep taking care of herself. She doesn't need to join the justice league to be monitered just cause she made a mistake geezzz.

All in all I loved Lex the most in this episode.. as always!!! Lex and Chloe. :)

[skully]

Actually, for some reason I had unusually low expectations. But I thought it was an excellent episode.

[MissLane]

well, I have to be honest and say that I loved the episode, except for the last clana scene... WHY??? WHYYY???.
So, my fave scene was CLOIS and Il oved the words that Lois said to Clark when she held her!!!, hehehe Lois Lane if you knew.... hehehehe...

Do you know what guys?? I didn't like when Lana said that about she wants clark for herself and she doesn't want to share him with anyone else (with the rest of the world), I didn0t like because these words were said by Lois to Superman.... but all of us know that writers use to do that.

hmmm.... after meeting ollie, ac, flash, cyborg and black canary... why clark doesn't think of making a disguise?????? it's time!!!!!!

and I didn't like the Justice League, because Superman was the leader of that group and it's a pity.. well, it's smallville, remember Misslane hehehehee.

In spite of all, I loved the episode but when clana will be over??????? i don't know how many times clark said: i don't love you!!!!

WAKE UP CLARK!!!!!!!!

ps: clark... it's time to buy glasses, I think that everyone uses glasses except for him hahahahaahahahaha!!!!!!!

[Jaded Wolf]

What I didn't like about this episode: Black Canary. That was the most stupid costume interpretation I have ever seen. What is up with the eye piece? I think this was just another cheap way to introduce other DC characters. What a waste...

The acting again. It was wooden. Are the actors even caring anymore or is this just another paycheck?

All in all I gave it an eight. It was cool to see Green Arrow again. I liked the scene with Lois and Clark near the end but I am still not liking Lana and Clark. Why does Clark fall for every line she says? Ugh... People say women are the weak ones when it comes to fake sincerity but Clark is easily taking the cake on this. Wake up guru!

[m8918]

good episode apart from the ending, it seemed a little short lived with the fight scene

[Frost]

I have to honestly say that I was a bit disappointed in "Siren" - and I had looked forward to it with mouth watering anticipation. I'm a Black Canary fan and I couldn't wait to see Smallville's version. When I first saw the preview pics of the episode, the short hair kind of threw me a bit, but I decided to wait and reserve judgement until I actually saw the episode...now that I've seen it, I'm feeling a bit like post-Christmas letdown!

First, I had a hard time with the look...the outfit didn't bother me so much (well, maybe the nice shiny gloves did...), but the hair and makeup just struck me as wrong. But the most difficult time I had with the character is that she wasn't even slightly likeable. Every single other hero introduced in Smallville - whether they start out fighting Clark or not - has had some nugget of likeability to them. I feel for the heroes even if I don't altogether understand their motives. But BC was just arrogant, smug, and fairly nasty. I was expecting smug and snarky, but she was just completely unsympathetic. Even the ending scene on the rooftop, her apology lacked any kind of real remorse. Even Lois at her most annoying isn't as bad as Dinah.

Other than the portrayal of Black Canary, I thought the episode was great. Justin Hartley always rocks as GA - another hero reimagined, but to perfection. He's got the cocky, smug, slightly arrogant portrayal down - and I just love it. The scene with Oliver and Lois tied to a chair was hilarious and true to character....I laughed out loud. Well, until BC punched Lois....that was a bit much. It was also odd that almost no mention of Grant was made....Lois was broken up about Oliver, but not about her ex suddenly being killed? Unless, she doesn't know somehow and Lionel has covered it up.....I have no idea.

Lana's observation that everyone treated her like Lady MacBeth was spot on....it's a bit hypocritical to condemn someone for spying and then ask for their information at a later date. As hard as it is to see her and Clark fight, her observations were correct....Clark can be a bit of a judgemental jerk sometimes....not that we don't love him anyway!

All in all, "Siren" was a decent episode, but I'm still feeling a bit disappointed. :\

[Mr. T]

This was a terrific episode. When I initially saw the short hair and the mask makeup on the Black Canary, I said to myself that is not how she looks in the comics. But than I remembered that this is her just starting out in her younger days. Just like how the Green Arrow we know in the comics (with the g-tee and hat) isn't like Oliver is on Smallville. He will eventually (like Black Canary) get into the way we all know them as.

[alejandrita439]

it was a good episode :D

[smallville0001]

Great episode! Glad that Green Arrow was brought back, and that Lois finally found out! Her manoover to try and stop Clark and Chloe noticing the bows and arrows behing the glass was hilarious!
10/10:lol:

[rockyshadow]

I liked this episode. Dinah/Black Canary is a great new character and it was about time that there was a female addition to the Justice League.

I liked seeing Oliver again and really enjoyed the scenes between Oliver and Lois. Clark coming over to comfort Lois after her break up with Oliver was very sweet.

[Nimkong]

To tell you guys the truth,i dident even know who the black canery was until i read the spoilers.Liked the new super hero, and the green arrow returned. But do we really need to still go through the lana clark phase?

[SGuthrie27]

This may not have been the best of the Justice League member introductory episodes... I mean, it wasn't as good as "Arrow," or "Run," and was certainly trumped by "Legion" and "Society"/"Legends," but... it was pretty good, really. Black Canary had a cool look to her, and Alaina Huffman was a pretty good actress. She had some good moments with both Ollie (who it was great to see back) and Lex, who was totally using her. Chloe-as-Oliver's-sidekick was a nicely done element of the episode as well. The Clana melodrama got pretty old pretty fast. Clark really was pretty self-righteous, and he and Lana were just so whiny with each other for most of the episode. Lois and Oliver's relationship revival didn't last even the entire episode, but it was actually pretty good angst. Although, virtually any angst is better than Clana angst, in my opinion, when it comes to Season 7. Anyway, I'll give "Siren" 8 out of 10 sonic screams.

[Simba_Muffy]

I gave this episode a 6.
This episode was ... ok. Lana needs therapy. She finally gets some inner strength and she decides not to look for evidence on Lex so she can be the person clark can love. *Puke Although there was the scene where she was looking for the evidence on him and found it. Hopefully she is just saying that to Lionel to distract him so she can use the evidence somewhere down the line. I'm soooo glad the episode ended with Clark and Lana sort of breaking up. They better stay broken up. Seriously. If they keep on going back and forth and back and forth I'm gonna puke. I mean seriously... 7 years of that crap! Break up already!
Clark is really pissing me off. He's a little mysoginistic... I know he thinks he's just looking out for his friends but he has no right to tell people what to do. He'd be happy if all the girls just sat at home knitting and drinking tea while him and the justice league take on Lex. LOL All the women in this show seem to have to fight just to be treated as equals. It's disgusting. However I will give the green arrow his due. He doesn't seem to do that. He utilizes everyone and thier skills and lets them make thier own desicions. That's part of what makes him sexy.

I looooved how he was topless AGAIN!!!! When isn't he topless? LOL

The fight scene at the end was a little cheezy. Much to my dissapointment Lex hasn't really ever been a big combat fighter. He's always getting knocked out and thrown across the room. And suddenlly he's keeping up in a fight with the green arrow blow for blow... Please LMFAO I mean it was hot to see... but a little unbeliveable. They need to show Lex in more fight scenes to make it beliveable. Or at least show him training a bit more. Lex has always relied on his intelligence as opposed to his muscle. If they aren't going to show him training then they should just stick to him being the brains of his operations.

Why is the yellow canary hanging up her boots? That's so lame. She should just learn from this mistake and keep taking care of herself. She doesn't need to join the justice league to be monitered just cause she made a mistake geezzz.

All in all I loved Lex the most in this episode.. as always!!! Lex and Chloe. :)

Claiming Clark dislikes females is BS! Chloe is his best friend 'till the end. Take the feminazi crap elsewhere.

[vantheman77]

Siren marks the debut of Black Canary, whom this version looks better than the one from the Birds of Prey TV series. In Justice, Clark did not join the group. In this episode, he still did not join the group. It was clear that Clark was not moving forward because for him, it's Lana or nothing.

[jwalk3377]

Gave the episode an 8--very entertaining. One problem and I wonder if anyone else feels the same way. Shouldn't Lois know about Grant/Julian's death; shouldn't she be somewhat affected by that? Seems to be a plot glitch that made her parting with Green Arrow a little awkward. Losing Grant and Ollie?! And she's okay?

I re-watched S7 again to be sure it was as bad as I remember (especially the Grant Gabriel arc). The last scene with CLois would have meant so much more if Lois was actually in love with Grant instead of just "sleeping with the boss to get IMO ahead".
I actually had no sympathy for Lois because of the Grant fiasco. She obviously had no idea that Grant was dead or that he was a Luthor/clone. How dumb can she be??

Also, you would think that Oliver would have known about Grant when he returned, after all, he is a hero with a lot of contacts.

No, Lois has not been my favorite character in S7. I figure TPTB wanted to give Lois another Love interest after Oliver so that she could have another breakup. Then we get to have an emotional scene with CLois. They did not put any effort together to build a Grant/Lois relationship like they did with Oliver so this emotional scene was pointless.

It was at this point that I hoped this show would end because I did not want this version of Lois ending up with Clark. I much preferred the Lois from "Lois and Clark, the New Adventures of Superman) than this dumb, slutty version.