is lana naive or that stupid?

[Dope]

we can all pretty much assume that lana and bizarro did indeed have sex...but shouldnt she be able to sense something was up when her and "clark" were able to do it? i mean before when clark and lana got intimate it was because clarks powers were either stripped (mortal) or or they both had it (wrath)...and lana and chloe even discussed it in wrath when she said "we usually cant" or something along those lines...

[dru-zod2501]

she saw what she wanted to see in "Clark" which she couldn't believe wasn't the real deal. Zarro was unfortunately telling her the truth at the end before she killed him

[maryjanewatson]

ya, I have mentioned this very thing in a couple of different threads. My guess is Lana is just that stupid.

[kryptonaidxh]

:lol::rolleyes:mm...stupid or naive?...maybe both, I´m not sure., soemtimes she´s botrh at the same time:):lol::p

[RepairmanBob]

Deeply, deeply stupid.

[paolinki25]

This is a difficult question. :lol:

[Smallvillebabe08]

we can all pretty much assume that lana and bizarro did indeed have sex...but shouldnt she be able to sense something was up when her and "clark" were able to do it? i mean before when clark and lana got intimate it was because clarks powers were either stripped (mortal) or or they both had it (wrath)...and lana and chloe even discussed it in wrath when she said "we usually cant" or something along those lines...

Lana probably just didn't have time to think.. She was probably just way too excited knowing that Clark wanted to have sex this time so she didn't care what the reason was.

[Who]

I always think it's a dumb idea Clark can't have sex anyway. He has heat vision, but not everything he looks at catches on fire. He has super strength, but he is not always breaking everything he touches. Clark should be able to have control over this like he has over everything else.

[TECHWON]

well what she said at the end of the episode had to come from somewhere so i do think she is both stupid and dumb that if chloe could tell then lana should been able to tell that wasn't ck

[smallvillerocks45]

Maybe the key word is denial. Sure, she may come off a bit naive sometimes, and yeah, maybe even stupid in other situations, it happens. Nevertheless, she knew something was "different", and that was Clark's sudden willingness to open up and be more intimate. That's not stupidity or naiveté, it's denial - there is no way she could be presented with everything she ever wanted out of her relationship with Clark, and still subconsciously believe that something is wrong or out of the ordinary. To do that would be to degrade the relationship and it just wouldn't make sense to do that when everything was so good between them.

[LoveHurts38]

Is this a trick question? Let me think....no comment. As always Chloe knew it deep down inside plus, the way he grabbed Chloe by the arm she knew something was not right.

[Tottally ~ Free]

"Is lana niave or that stupid"


both

[closetclana]

Maybe the key word is denial. Sure, she may come off a bit naive sometimes, and yeah, maybe even stupid in other situations, it happens. Nevertheless, she knew something was "different", and that was Clark's sudden willingness to open up and be more intimate. That's not stupidity or naiveté, it's denial - there is no way she could be presented with everything she ever wanted out of her relationship with Clark, and still subconsciously believe that something is wrong or out of the ordinary. To do that would be to degrade the relationship and it just wouldn't make sense to do that when everything was so good between them.

I totally agree. People do it all the time. That's why people stay in bad relationships because they ignore the warning signs or the bad behaviors. It's easier to pretend sometimes then to face a truth that would be both difficult and frightening.

[Kalista]

Stupid

[umm]

She is both! Because she is so much in denial about the fact that Clark can't give her what she needs (even now that he is honest with her), and that she can't be the one for Clark, that she would rather mold him into the person she want's him to be and pretend that everything is alright, than face the truth!
And the truth is, she doesn't know Clark as well as she thinks, nor will she ever, because to truly know somebody, you have to understand and accept, and she will never be able to understand and accept Clark's true nature, and the fact that she can't nor will ever be his first priority!
He has a bigger destiny than that, and Lana is just holding him back, and the sooner she accepts that fact, the better for her, and Clark!

[jimmyolsenblues]

i will tell I am not the biggest lana fan.
I have not liked her since ep 100 , but I we need to cut her some slack on the bizarro.
All of a sudden, clark is passionate, open, loving, wants to travel, wants to see the world.
Exact physical copy of clark, hey I understand her being love struck by bizarro.
I don't think she is stupid or naive for being tricked by Bizarro.
I know I have had relationships where the person who I thought she was never turned out be who she really is. Love is blindness. I think it was great writing.

[umm]

i will tell I am not the biggest lana fan.
I have not liked her since ep 100 , but I we need to cut her some slack on the bizarro.
All of a sudden, clark is passionate, open, loving, wants to travel, wants to see the world.
Exact physical copy of clark, hey I understand her being love struck by bizarro.
I don't think she is stupid or naive for being tricked by Bizarro.
I know I have had relationships where the person who I thought she was never turned out be who she really is. Love is blindness. I think it was great writing.

That's another thing! the fact that she claims to have never been more in love with Clark that during that month (during which he wasn't himself but rather Bizarro) is proof enough that she isn't really in love with Clark! Because if you trully love somebody you'll be able to accept them and love them for who they are! Not be all giddy about traveling to Paris, bla, bla! She should be shamed of herself! I doubt she even knowes how much she trully has hurt Clark's feelings! But then again, he is so whipped, that he will never tell her, and she will therefore not be able to correct her behaviour! Something she wouldn't dream of doing on her own!

[LoisJoanneKent]

I've always said it. She's both stupid and naive. In all events and purposes, she's the town idiot. Without Chloe and Lois in the mix, Smallville would be dull indeed!

[Cogito17]

I hate to be the one to rain on this Lana bashing parade... but there is a pretty huge contradiction/double standard going on in regards to this Lana/bizzaro thing. The premise of Smallville/Superman requires you to suspend your belief to accept that people can hide major and sometimes even obvious secrets about themselves behind pretty weak charades. But, for some reason, all of a sudden, Lana is held accountable and is naive and stupid for not discovering Bizzaro's identity. Allow me to illustrate with some Smallville/Superman examples.

Chloe Sullivan, Ms. I-manage-to-figure-out-everything, remained unaware for YEARS, that her best friend was an alien with superhuman powers that is allergic to the green rocks scattered all over their town. Despite all the miraculous saves/recoveries by Clark, despite all the lame excuses, despite her borderline clairvoyant ability to decipher whats going on, she doesn't figure out Clark's secret identity until Alicia Baker hands it to her on a silver platter. No one criticizes Chloe for her stupidity in this regard.

The very premise of Superman requires that you believe the fact that the Earth's greatest hero can mask his identity by changing clothes and putting on a pair of glasses. Not only does this serve to mask his identity from the world, but in much of the Superman story, a change of clothes and a pair of glasses are all it takes for Superman/Clark Kent to hide his identity from his soul mate/the love of his life: Lois Lane. As unbelievable as this is, people seem to just kind of accept it as part of the story without criticizing Lois for her stupidity.

Smallville is full of meteor freaks with all kinds of abilities (Changing appearance at will, splitting yourself in two, controlling bees, etc.), yet many of these people go unnoticed for years. As unbelievable as it is, people accept it as part of the story. No one comments on how stupid all the people in Smallville must be.

I could go on and on, but ultimately we come to Lana... She is presented with an exact physical clone of her boyfriend, with all his thoughts and memories. While there are certain potential giveaways, given all that we are expected to believe in the rest of the story, the fact that she can simply be fooled should be a given. BUT, in this case, everyone jumps on her to point out how stupid and naive she is.

If Lana is stupid and naive for not being able to identify an exact clone of her boyfriend, what does that make Lois Lane? She can't identify her soul mate because he changes clothes and puts on a pair of glasses... Now, I am not saying that they are actually stupid, but I AM saying that if you are going to suspend belief to allow the other characters to hide/not discover secret identities, then you have to give Lana the same treatment.

Also, its not as if Clark and Lana should be holding hands, skipping through the fields, and picking flowers next episode. Persona presented some serious problems in their relationship. Clark can't fully commit to Lana because he has to do the right things/be the hero. Also, Clark has every right to be disappointed that Lana/Bizarro hooked up. BUT, the Lana/Bizarro hook up was more the result of an unfortunate circumstance than it was truly Lana's fault (Though obviously, she has made her fair share of missteps this season in other regards).

[dunkman]

I always think it's a dumb idea Clark can't have sex anyway. He has heat vision, but not everything he looks at catches on fire. He has super strength, but he is not always breaking everything he touches. Clark should be able to have control over this like he has over everything else.

Whether or not he can control his abilities or not, I'm disappointed in Clark for having premarital sex when he did. Jonathan & Martha raised him better than that! (Note: in an interview once, Margot Kidder expressed that it went against Clark's character when he slept with Lois in Superman 2, so I'm not the only one with this opinion.)
Lana only thinks of herself anyway, so when evil Clark wanted to do it, she wasn't worried about anything!

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I hate to be the one to rain on this Lana bashing parade... but there is a pretty huge contradiction/double standard going on in regards to this Lana/bizzaro thing. The premise of Smallville/Superman requires you to suspend your belief to accept that people can hide major and sometimes even obvious secrets about themselves behind pretty weak charades. But, for some reason, all of a sudden, Lana is held accountable and is naive and stupid for not discovering Bizzaro's identity. Allow me to illustrate with some Smallville/Superman examples.

Chloe Sullivan, Ms. I-manage-to-figure-out-everything, remained unaware for YEARS, that her best friend was an alien with superhuman powers that is allergic to the green rocks scattered all over their town. Despite all the miraculous saves/recoveries by Clark, despite all the lame excuses, despite her borderline clairvoyant ability to decipher whats going on, she doesn't figure out Clark's secret identity until Alicia Baker hands it to her on a silver platter. No one criticizes Chloe for her stupidity in this regard.

The very premise of Superman requires that you believe the fact that the Earth's greatest hero can mask his identity by changing clothes and putting on a pair of glasses. Not only does this serve to mask his identity from the world, but in much of the Superman story, a change of clothes and a pair of glasses are all it takes for Superman/Clark Kent to hide his identity from his soul mate/the love of his life: Lois Lane. As unbelievable as this is, people seem to just kind of accept it as part of the story without criticizing Lois for her stupidity.

Smallville is full of meteor freaks with all kinds of abilities (Changing appearance at will, splitting yourself in two, controlling bees, etc.), yet many of these people go unnoticed for years. As unbelievable as it is, people accept it as part of the story. No one comments on how stupid all the people in Smallville must be.

I could go on and on, but ultimately we come to Lana... She is presented with an exact physical clone of her boyfriend, with all his thoughts and memories. While there are certain potential giveaways, given all that we are expected to believe in the rest of the story, the fact that she can simply be fooled should be a given. BUT, in this case, everyone jumps on her to point out how stupid and naive she is.

If Lana is stupid and naive for not being able to identify an exact clone of her boyfriend, what does that make Lois Lane? She can't identify her soul mate because he changes clothes and puts on a pair of glasses... Now, I am not saying that they are actually stupid, but I AM saying that if you are going to suspend belief to allow the other characters to hide/not discover secret identities, then you have to give Lana the same treatment.

Also, its not as if Clark and Lana should be holding hands, skipping through the fields, and picking flowers next episode. Persona presented some serious problems in their relationship. Clark can't fully commit to Lana because he has to do the right things/be the hero. Also, Clark has every right to be disappointed that Lana/Bizarro hooked up. BUT, the Lana/Bizarro hook up was more the result of an unfortunate circumstance than it was truly Lana's fault (Though obviously, she has made her fair share of missteps this season in other regards).

This is a good argument. On the other hand, it's always fun to bash Lana!

[Kalista]

I hate to be the one to rain on this Lana bashing parade... but there is a pretty huge contradiction/double standard going on in regards to this Lana/bizzaro thing. The premise of Smallville/Superman requires you to suspend your belief to accept that people can hide major and sometimes even obvious secrets about themselves behind pretty weak charades. But, for some reason, all of a sudden, Lana is held accountable and is naive and stupid for not discovering Bizzaro's identity. Allow me to illustrate with some Smallville/Superman examples.

Chloe Sullivan, Ms. I-manage-to-figure-out-everything, remained unaware for YEARS, that her best friend was an alien with superhuman powers that is allergic to the green rocks scattered all over their town. Despite all the miraculous saves/recoveries by Clark, despite all the lame excuses, despite her borderline clairvoyant ability to decipher whats going on, she doesn't figure out Clark's secret identity until Alicia Baker hands it to her on a silver platter. No one criticizes Chloe for her stupidity in this regard.

The very premise of Superman requires that you believe the fact that the Earth's greatest hero can mask his identity by changing clothes and putting on a pair of glasses. Not only does this serve to mask his identity from the world, but in much of the Superman story, a change of clothes and a pair of glasses are all it takes for Superman/Clark Kent to hide his identity from his soul mate/the love of his life: Lois Lane. As unbelievable as this is, people seem to just kind of accept it as part of the story without criticizing Lois for her stupidity.

Smallville is full of meteor freaks with all kinds of abilities (Changing appearance at will, splitting yourself in two, controlling bees, etc.), yet many of these people go unnoticed for years. As unbelievable as it is, people accept it as part of the story. No one comments on how stupid all the people in Smallville must be.

I could go on and on, but ultimately we come to Lana... She is presented with an exact physical clone of her boyfriend, with all his thoughts and memories. While there are certain potential giveaways, given all that we are expected to believe in the rest of the story, the fact that she can simply be fooled should be a given. BUT, in this case, everyone jumps on her to point out how stupid and naive she is.

If Lana is stupid and naive for not being able to identify an exact clone of her boyfriend, what does that make Lois Lane? She can't identify her soul mate because he changes clothes and puts on a pair of glasses... Now, I am not saying that they are actually stupid, but I AM saying that if you are going to suspend belief to allow the other characters to hide/not discover secret identities, then you have to give Lana the same treatment.

Also, its not as if Clark and Lana should be holding hands, skipping through the fields, and picking flowers next episode. Persona presented some serious problems in their relationship. Clark can't fully commit to Lana because he has to do the right things/be the hero. Also, Clark has every right to be disappointed that Lana/Bizarro hooked up. BUT, the Lana/Bizarro hook up was more the result of an unfortunate circumstance than it was truly Lana's fault (Though obviously, she has made her fair share of missteps this season in other regards).

I'm too lazy right now to respond to all your examples. But I will say this, Chloe knew that Clark was different/special. There is one major problem with all of your arguments. None of your examples highlight major flaws within the characters.. But Lana failed to notice MAJOR moral and behavioral changes within Clark.

[dunkman]

A lot of people are saying Lana is "naive & stupid", but these words are in a sense synonyms. Basically "naive" is a nicer way to say someone is stupid, so call her what you want, but it means the same thing, so it's redundant to say she's both. [White & Nerdy comment for the day]

[Cogito17]

What were these MAJOR moral and behavioral changes within Clark? I saw none. Changes, yes, but nothing major. God forbid the man who tells her he loves her starts acting like it for once. Clark(Bizzaro) saved Chloe and Jimmy in the previous episode, is trying to put a stop to Lex (a murderer, a psychopath, and the arch-villain of the Superman universe), and he is intimate with a woman he loves. Some of these are minor hints (mainly for the audience, but nothing major), but they look more to me like proof that he IS Clark than anything. You have to accept the fact that Lana can be duped if Lois can as well.

So again, where were these MAJOR things that she should have caught on to? And are they any more major than the fact that Lois can't identify Superman/Clark Kent as the same person because he changes clothes and puts on glasses?

[WickedJenn]

I hate to be the one to rain on this Lana bashing parade... but there is a pretty huge contradiction/double standard going on in regards to this Lana/bizzaro thing. The premise of Smallville/Superman requires you to suspend your belief to accept that people can hide major and sometimes even obvious secrets about themselves behind pretty weak charades. But, for some reason, all of a sudden, Lana is held accountable and is naive and stupid for not discovering Bizzaro's identity. Allow me to illustrate with some Smallville/Superman examples.

Chloe Sullivan, Ms. I-manage-to-figure-out-everything, remained unaware for YEARS, that her best friend was an alien with superhuman powers that is allergic to the green rocks scattered all over their town. Despite all the miraculous saves/recoveries by Clark, despite all the lame excuses, despite her borderline clairvoyant ability to decipher whats going on, she doesn't figure out Clark's secret identity until Alicia Baker hands it to her on a silver platter. No one criticizes Chloe for her stupidity in this regard.



What about in "Arrival", when Clark is in Chloe's hospital room, and regarding his secret, she says, "Well I guess I've always had my suspicions, the quick exits, the miraculous recoveries..."

So she DID notice he was potentially different, based on that statement, as well as her numerous attempts at figuring out his background. If she didn't notice something off, she wouldn't have tried to investigate him so much in the early seasons.

Just saying. :cool:

[Kalista]

So again, where were these MAJOR things that she should have caught on to? And are they any more major than the fact that Lois can't identify Superman/Clark Kent as the same person because he changes clothes and puts on glasses?

1. Clark giving up the search for Kara.
If Lana knows Clark so well, then she knows how difficult it is for him to stand by when the people he cares about are in danger or in need of assistance. Since Kara is missing under mysterious and possibly dangerous circumstances, we know that Clark would not just throw up his hands and say oh well. Lana should have known this. Did he give up the search for Chloe in Obscura? Did Clark ever stop looking out for Lana while she was with Lex? Remember the episode with the crazy bodyguard who hired the photographer to stalk Lana so he could terrorize her before killing her? Clark always looks out for the people he loves, sometimes even complete strangers. So, why would he give up looking for his blood relative? At the very least, she should have questioned his giving up so easily.

Have to go now, will finish responding later.

[Cromartiefan]

I don't like having to choose, I think she's naively stupid

That or she didn't care, knew Clark was behaving oddly and was just taking advantage of it.

[Cogito17]

I agree, Chloe is not the strongest example. But, you have to consider that she developed suspicions over years and countless events. Lana is (in this case) expected to completely discover his (Bizzaro's) secret in a single month with (what seemed to me) nothing major to go off of.

As for Clark not continuing his search for Kara, he does give some weak answer. Something about "not wanting to be found" if I remember correctly. Its weak, but the show does try to cover that base in some respects.

The Lois/meteor freak examples still stand.

I just want to clarify the point that I am trying to make. I am not trying to say that there is absolutely no evidence that it was Bizzaro. The point I am trying to make is that watching Superman/Smallville requires you to suspend belief. People do it all the time for other characters (as I showed with my examples), but aren't giving Lana the same treatment.

[BadToad]

God forbid the man who tells her he loves her starts acting like it for once. Clark(Bizzaro) saved Chloe and Jimmy in the previous episode, is trying to put a stop to Lex (a murderer, a psychopath, and the arch-villain of the Superman universe), and he is intimate with a woman he loves.

I'll just address this part. A Clark that "tells her he loves her & starts acting like it for once"? Give me a break!! Was the whole taking her in without any questions asked after she faked her death not an example of this? Was him getting over the hooking up with Lex thing not an indicator? Was him assuring her that he had everything he wanted with her at the farm in Action not enough? Planning a romantic picnic for her in Wrath? Not asking her to move out after finding out all that she was doing behind his back? Need I go on.

It is, IMO, utter nonsense that Clark was not acting like he loved Lana. The difference with Bizarro was not that he finally showed poor, deprived Lana love (which is such a massive crock!), its that he made every, single thing about her. And frankly, if thats the only way that someone can prove to Lana that they truly love her, then who needs this type of high maintenance chick? I don't know if anyones noticed...obviously Lana hasn't....but Clark has a rather complicated life, full of various responsibilities and constant turmoil. If Lana doesn't feel loved with Clark because he isn't worshipping her butt 24/7, then might I suggest she pack up her bags and motor. I'm sure it will only take her 5 minutes to find another sap to be madly in love with her.

Also, Bizarro wasn't doing squat about Lex in this episode. He's not trying to bring Lex down. He was trying to get information. Where in Persona was there any reference to bringing Lex down being a priority? And if Lana truly did believe thats what BizClark was all about, then wouldn't she think them up and leaving town ran pretty counter to the crusade to take Lex down? I guess I'm not quite understanding how "Clark" and Lana would be stopping Lex while traveling.

And you know, quite frankly, maybe some people are just not inclined to give Lana a break because they are just sick to death of the character, and the constant stream of characters falling madly in love with her, and the familiar, and boring, refrain of poor victimized Lana that this show loves to trot out.

And bottom line, if my supposed soulmate was having sex with my doppelganger and couldn't tell the difference, I don't think I'd be angry with them, but I do believe I'd feel like the relationship was probably lacking something fundamental.

[Dustmite]

God forbid the man who tells her he loves her starts acting like it for once.

Clark asked her into his home, accepted her lies, organized romantic picnics because she was being distant and yet he wasn't acting like he loved her. What more does he have to do?

ETA: BadToad got there before me.

[Cogito17]

Well, what I meant about Clark "acting like he loved her", was not so much to say that he wasn't acting like it before, I shouldn't have really put in the "for once", wasn't the point I was making. I more intended that as a response to a couple comments I have read on the boards that point out how Bizzaro was acting MORE committed to Lana than Clark and that was evidence that should have indicated to Lana that it was bizzaro. Sorry for the confusion, but thanks for somewhat arguing my point for me. If Clark was in fact acting like he loved her before (I agree with you) and Bizzaro acted the same way as well, then that is even less reason Lana should be able to identify bizzaro. Which, helps to prove the point I am trying to make for Lana.

And again, I am being pulled into debate on specific points, which is not what I am trying to argue. I am arguing that there is a general need for "Suspending beleif" for many parts of this show/Superman in general. You are required to believe the unbelievable, and the characters are allowed to do so for the sake of story telling (See my first post for examples). Yet, in this case, everyone is doing away with this idea so they can bash Lana.

And also, if you read my first post in the topic (bottom of page 1), I agree with you BadToad. I am not arguing that there aren't problems with Clark and Lana and that Clark shouldn't be upset. I am more arguing that the problem is a result of unfortunate circumstances (given the nature of the show and the story in general), as opposed to a flagrant, stupid, and obvious mistake by Lana.

[Tobywolf13]

I think there are a few things that factor into Lana being stupid.

People keep saying Chloe didn't know either. Well, yeah, Clark stopped visiting her at the DP. If "Clark" had been, he'd have known about Lex's plot much earlier and wouldn't have been confused by the DP chaos when he arrived. Simple as that. She also had one conversation with him that revealed he forgot all about the Miss Sweet Corn Debacle. That's a big deal. Not because of the shield but because the pageant itself was such a dramafest for him and Kara. He fought with her about it, she got thrown into jail because of it, the weather girls and convenient green K almost killed him. He'd have remembered that. An SOS from yet another Kryptonian, likewise, would not have been forgotten.

However, the point here is that he and Lana were living and working together. If they weren't having sex, they were at Isis looking for Brainiac. They were together all day every day and he's missing about seven months of Clark's memories. If you were with someone who quite clearly didn't remember anything from MAY on, there should be massive gaps in your conversation. It's not just about the big things like Lex or Brainiac or Kara. I'm talking little things like current events of the last month or so, things that he and Lana had been through regarding her actions in Wrath, substantive daily conversations, inside jokes a couple has. Bizarro wouldn't know them and it should be obvious that he didn't.

Second, follow me here, Clark is a FARMER. I know it's winter and he doesn't have to go out to the fields. But he has cows and horses to take care of. He has fences and equipment to maintain. He has work to do OUTSIDE where the direct sunlight is. To make his charade work, Bizarro quite clearly had to avoid direct sunlight. How oblivious are you when your boyfriend, the FARMER, stops going out in sunlight?

Third, the big things matter. Clark wasn't in character at all. Since when would Clark, who's always felt terribly alone and awful about being the only one, give up on the search for his blood family? Why would he shake off being unable to find Kara and just go back to having some sex with his girlfriend. This is the same guy who was desperate enough a few weeks prior to clone his dead mother so he could have a family and now he's just fine with Kara being gone?

Fourth, he loves his farm. He's scary devoted to it (probably from a sense of guilt over his father's death). His mother has been prodding him to leave it and to see the world/get an education and he still won't leave it behind. He's been working it for almost two years instead of finishing college. Suddenly after getting back from the Fortress, he's excited about leaving Smallville completely behind and going to Paris? Clark Kent is going to Paris? Where would he even get the money? Dude, the Kents find new plaid an expense. There's no way the son of permanently in-debt farms with a barely solvent farm is going to just throw all caution to the wind and leave for Paris.

There are so many more examples, but the point is that most of the behavior changes aren't even about Clark-as-Superman. They're about changes in his attitude that don't match how he was raised as a Kent or that, frankly, would indicate some severe amnesia on his part that should have been noticeable.

Lana didn't notice any of that. As long as Biz kept her from "remembering what the sun looked like" she was perfectly happy. Like BadToad said, he wasn't even trying to go after Lex, unless the key to stopping 33.1 was under their sheets. He was just having sex and being lovey-dovey with her and ignoring EVERYTHING else in his life---Lex Luthor, Chloe, Kara, the farm. That's not Clark. He takes responsibility very seriously.

Lana is either the dumbest human being alive for not realizing her boyfriend wasn't her boyfriend or she simply DID NOT CARE as long as she got what she wanted. Her conversation with Chloe and her refusal to believe something might have mindwhammied Clark indicate the latter.

And yes, Clark has shown over and over again that he loves her. He gave her the romantic picnic, she tried to KILL HIM WITH HIS POWERS and he forgave her and let her continue to live on HIS FARM, she tortured his father's emissary and it was all hunky dory. He let her in on Kara's secret and told her about his mom's crystal when he didn't tell anyone else. He's given all he has to give and if it's not enough for her, then she needs to find a new boyfriend.

[umm]

Lana is either the dumbest human being alive for not realizing her boyfriend wasn't her boyfriend or she simply DID NOT CARE as long as she got what she wanted. Her conversation with Chloe and her refusal to believe something might have mindwhammied Clark indicate the latter.

And yes, Clark has shown over and over again that he loves her. He gave her the romantic picnic, she tried to KILL HIM WITH HIS POWERS and he forgave her and let her continue to live on HIS FARM, she tortured his father's emissary and it was all hunky dory. He let her in on Kara's secret and told her about his mom's crystal when he didn't tell anyone else. He's given all he has to give and if it's not enough for her, then she needs to find a new boyfriend.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!

[dunkman]

Well, what I meant about Clark "acting like he loved her", was not so much to say that he wasn't acting like it before, I shouldn't have really put in the "for once", wasn't the point I was making. I more intended that as a response to a couple comments I have read on the boards that point out how Bizzaro was acting MORE committed to Lana than Clark and that was evidence that should have indicated to Lana that it was bizzaro. Sorry for the confusion, but thanks for somewhat arguing my point for me. If Clark was in fact acting like he loved her before (I agree with you) and Bizzaro acted the same way as well, then that is even less reason Lana should be able to identify bizzaro. Which, helps to prove the point I am trying to make for Lana.

And again, I am being pulled into debate on specific points, which is not what I am trying to argue. I am arguing that there is a general need for "Suspending beleif" for many parts of this show/Superman in general. You are required to believe the unbelievable, and the characters are allowed to do so for the sake of story telling (See my first post for examples). Yet, in this case, everyone is doing away with this idea so they can bash Lana.

And also, if you read my first post in the topic (bottom of page 1), I agree with you BadToad. I am not arguing that there aren't problems with Clark and Lana and that Clark shouldn't be upset. I am more arguing that the problem is a result of unfortunate circumstances (given the nature of the show and the story in general), as opposed to a flagrant, stupid, and obvious mistake by Lana.

Lana is evil. Stop trying to defend her!

[Sweetie]

Does Lana really know Clark that well?Since when would he act so selfishly,wanted to sell the farm?Would want to go live somewhere else when his cousin is still missing.He always told Lana that his dream is to live on the farm with her.Most of all not thinking about his mom when he suddenly made this serious decision.Seriously,Lana was more happy with this Clark's version than the real one(she said it herself).That shows how she was seriously effected by Lex that her dark side is getting stronger than her good sense which I doubt that she has sometimes.

[All about Clark]

I don't think Lana really knows Clark, like Chloe does. Chloe saw something wrong because she knows him, Lana didn't, and had more time to see that something was wrong. She doesn't seem to want to accept someone until they're doing what she wants them to do. In Wrath, Clark was trying to be close to her, while her mind was on Lex and revenge. Obviously Clark wasn't giving her everything she wanted. She clearly wants someone who's focus is 100% on her, and that will never happen with Clark.

[kal-el_Girl]

naive is when you don't know things but there's room to grow, stupid I must say there's no room at all, I say lana is just plain stupid

[SlickBlonde]

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And again, I am being pulled into debate on specific points, which is not what I am trying to argue. I am arguing that there is a general need for "Suspending beleif" for many parts of this show/Superman in general. You are required to believe the unbelievable, and the characters are allowed to do so for the sake of story telling (See my first post for examples). Yet, in this case, everyone is doing away with this idea so they can bash Lana.

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I can see where you're comming from but you have look a little deeper, specifically to the purpose of these plot devices. The dual identites of supes vs. clark, the need for suspended belief in that scenario is a plot device used so that the hero can have his two identies with no one being the wiser. That wasn't the goal of this plot at all. In fact the plot was designed to highlight just the opposite. That someone could have and should have been the wiser, that someone SHOULD have and COULD have noticed the difference in clarks personality, and lo and behold Lana DID NOT. Now whether it was out of stupidity, naivity or denial is for you all to debate. But suspended belief is not required here. In fact grounded belief was the point. Chloe knew something was wrong off the bat, Lana did not. A clear demostration that the clark she wants is not the clark that exists, and she was too blinded by self indulging to notice or accept it.

[Theshadow129x]

She's just plain out, 100% stupid. she always thinks someone is really willing to do her bidding without her doing any sarcrificing and the thing is that no one is going to do that. if she wants that then she should go buy an english mastiff. it makes no sense for Chloe to be able to look at her friend and know somethings wrong and Lana, whose the guys girlfriend, know nothing about the situation at all and tell's Chloe to let Clark go. B*tch you let go and never come back on here. We hate you!!!

[Cogito17]

Oooh, this got dredged back up. This will be my last attempt to make my point. :lol:

We are talking about a show where an alien super speeds around, shoots fire from his eyes, and repeatedly saves people, with no disguise, while keeping his identity a secret.

The Superman story is the same thing, but there are 2 identities, one of which is made public. The only disguise he employs is changing his clothes/taking on or off glasses, and his identity remains a secret for, literally, decades. (Even from the love of his life/his "soulmate" - Lois)

Given the nature of the story, is it really so unbelievable that a perfect clone of a person, with all his memories and thoughts could keep his identity a secret?

It just seems like a double standard to buy into the plausibility of the first 2, but not the third. No one calls everyone on Smallville stupid, nor Lois. So why is Lana stupid for falling for an (arguably) far more believable disguise/secret identity.

[kasealaine]

Oooh, this got dredged back up. This will be my last attempt to make my point. :lol:

We are talking about a show where an alien super speeds around, shoots fire from his eyes, and repeatedly saves people, with no disguise, while keeping his identity a secret.

The Superman story is the same thing, but there are 2 identities, one of which is made public. The only disguise he employs is changing his clothes/taking on or off glasses, and his identity remains a secret for, literally, decades. (Even from the love of his life/his "soulmate" - Lois)

Given the nature of the story, is it really so unbelievable that a perfect clone of a person, with all his memories and thoughts could keep his identity a secret?

It just seems like a double standard to buy into the plausibility of the first 2, but not the third. No one calls everyone on Smallville stupid, nor Lois. So why is Lana stupid for falling for an (arguably) far more believable disguise/secret identity.

No one knows that it is Clark Kent because of the way he acts, not how he looks. Lois is in love with Superman, but doesn't give Clark the time of day (at least for a while). However, I guarantee that if SUPERMAN started acting differently, she would notice.
Does what I said make any sense? This is really the opposite of Superman. To Lois (and the rest of the world) Clark and Superman are different people. In Smallville, to Lana Clark is one and the same and all of a sudden he's acting a strangely and has little to no inhibitions. Did she not at least think about Red-K being a possibility?

[kentfamily]

Maybe Lana was attracted to Clark's change in attitude towards their relationship, the way he paid more attention, the way he was more open about his feelings. Bizarro is supposed to the spittin image of Clark except for the personalities. I guess she liked the "bad boy" Clark (Bizarro) more than the good boy bore. Even if she did know or didnt know it was Clark. The point was that he paid more attention to her and gave her what she needed. Wouldn't any woman want that? Hell, I'd cheat too, if I wasn't gettin any at home. Especially with a bad boy lookalike. :lol::lol::lol: So, no, Lana was not being stupid or naive. Her biggest mistake was to tell Clark that she was in bed with him (Bizarro). Big no no.

[skizzo]

Don't forget Bizarro acted quite evilish around Chloe, even hurting her arm. she obviously noticed something was wrong. Clark was just more open, she should harly think "oh this must be someone else then".

[Flowergirl123]

a little bit of both but more stuipd.

[pizzaguy19]

More reason for Chlark over Clana. Lana can't even tell when it's a freaking intergalactic criminal posing as her boyfriend for a MONTH.

Chloe figured it out in 30 seconds, forcing Bizzaro to get violent (she was suspicious before he grabbed her arm). She even point blank TOLD Lana and Lana was her usual super ***** and didn't listen at all.

Chloe really showed her worth this episode, and we got to see another episode of the Clana train wreck. How do you have sex with someone for a month and not realize it? Moving out of Smallville? Superman forgetting because "he's got a lot on his mind?" Working together to take down Lex using illegal surveillance and underhanded methods?

You just don't know Clarkman if you think that's how he works. Lana was hopefully exposed in this episode to Clark, hopefully for good this time.