Be Fair To Lana, Chloe Didn't Even Know

[Clana4Life]

Sorry I think people are being a little unfair toward Lana this time. Chloe, while admitting that Clark was acting differently, did not even know that it wasn't Clark. If no one had ever mentioned a phantom clone to Lana how would she figure that out of thin air? I warrant that he may be acting differently, but that in and of itself is not enough to convince the average human that he is someone else. When your real life significant other starts acting a little differently, be it distant or more loving, do you think that "hmm, maybe this isn't my boyfriend or girlfriend or spouse. Maybe this is an impostor"? No, you wouldn't think that in a million years. And if the difference in behavior wasn't bothering you (i.e., your significant other is being more loving and paying more attention to you, why would you complain?) You'd let it go like Lana did. You'd just enjoy being happy. And if he or she is acting quite bizarre, you might chalk it to mental illness, but I'm guessing you wouldn't think it was a phantom clone. :rolleyes: You get my point. Even if Lana did ask Bizzaro-Clark about his change of attitude, could he not sweep that under the rug by saying, "I just realized what's truly important to me - you"? But it seems that some of you would expect her to say, "Clark wouldn't say that. You must be a phantom clone!" :rotfl: I know SV is a fictional show, but you are asking characters to have insight that no human possibly could. I think Lana-haters and Clana haters are using this as an excuse to hate on Lana more. Even Clark apologized to her for what happened.

I don't see anyone saying that Chloe should have known that it was Clark, especially after the way he grabbed her.

[BadToad]

For one thing, we actually don't know if Lana knew about the Phantom or not. When Clark comes back, he does say to Lana that it wasn't him, "it was the Phantom", and she doesn't say Who, or What are you talking about? So, I think its just as easy to infer that she did know.

Also, lets remember this is Smallville, where people having their personalities altered, or being body snatched is not exactly unheard of. Given the frequency in which it happens, I certainly do believe that someone acting very strangely all of a sudden would be good reason to question what was going on. If we were talking about our average, everyday RL lives? Then I agree, we might be slower to question it. On SV? Different story altogether.


Even Clark apologized to her for what happened.

Lana could cook and eat Shelby, and somehow the show would find a reason to have him apologize to her, and Lana fans would run and blame her behavior on anyone BUT Lana. IMO, Clark apologizing to Lana is just more of the same crap this show always does to exonerate Lana, and frankly, I'm sick to death of it. Clark DID NOT owe Lana an apology in this episode. He didn't fail Lana.


I don't see anyone saying that Chloe should have known that it was Clark, especially after the way he grabbed her.

Well, look around, people are saying that. I don't personally agree for a few reasons. For one thing, we have absolutely no idea of knowing how much close contact Bizarro had with Chloe over the weeks he was stealing Clark's life. On the other hand, we do know he was living with Lana, and sleeping with Lana. When Bizarro shows up at the DP, he makes a comment about the lack of employees, and Chloe mentions the firings, which would seem to hint that Bizarro hadn't been visiting there recently. If he had, the comment makes little sense. Chloe also mentions how busy she's been. All these little things make it far easier to believe that Chloe simply had not spent a lot of time around Bizarro. And there can simply be NO case made that she spent as much time with him as the girl going to bed with him every night.

Also, Chloe wasn't kissing him, or having sex with him. Which, IMO, is a pretty big difference.

[MidgardDragon]

You expect K-LanaBashers-Site to be fair to Lana? C'mon, you know better. ;)

[Dannyblue1]

Sorry I think people are being a little unfair toward Lana this time. Chloe, while admitting that Clark was acting differently, did not even know that it wasn't Clark. If no one had ever mentioned a phantom clone to Lana how would she figure that out of thin air?

In a town where folks get mind-whammied on a weekly basis, and where said mind-whammies generally lead to chaos and badness, someone acting really out of character should get your attention.

And that's the thing. It wasn't just that "Clark" was acting a little differently. He suddenly did a complete 180 on some major issues that have been plaguing the Clana relationship for years. And Lana didn't think to question any of them for even a second because, as you say, she was getting what she wanted. She was too happy with the illusion to want to question it.

Now, I don't think Chloe thought, "Oh my, this isn't Clark. This is a whole other person." I think she thought, "Oh, geez! Clark went and got himself mind-whammied. Again!" Because, in Smallville, it makes sense to think that.

And Lana, knowing that things like this can happen, knowing that Chloe knows all about these sorts of things, knowing Chloe has been right the million and two other times she's warned Lana about something, wouldn't even hear Chloe out.


I think Lana-haters and Clana haters are using this as an excuse to hate on Lana more. Even Clark apologized to her for what happened.

Because Clark blames himself for everything, whether he's actually responsible or not. I think Clark would find a way to blame himself for the guy on the grassy knoll if he could. And, when it comes to Lana, Clark would rather blame himself for anything she does rather than see her as less than perfect.


I don't see anyone saying that Chloe should have known that it was Clark, especially after the way he grabbed her.

Chloe knew something was wrong with "Clark" before the grab. The grab was just icing on the cake of wrongness. And, again, while Chloe might not have known exactly what was wrong, she knew something wasn't right.

As I've said before, this is television. On television, things are done for a reason. This episode pretty much bent over backwards to drive home the message that Lana doesn't know Clark all that well. That seemed to be the theme of the whole darned thing.

[Clana4Life]

BadToad, knowing what a phantom is does not mean that she suddenly knew that a phantom could grab Clark's DNA and replicated himself. Clark had to explain to her that Bizarro "looks just like him." And how many times has someone shape shifted in Lana's presence. Once and I believe that girl was killed. So, no 6 years later, she probably wouldn't expect that to be the case, because her boyfriend is acting more loving. I could see if he was going around hitting her or cheating on her, but he wasn't. He was working with her more, paying more attention, doing all things things that girls generally love.

As far as him doing a 180. He did at 180 last season when he told her his secret. Took him 6 years to do that. Should she have assumed it wasn't him that time either since he did something out of character. People change. Priorities change. This was not a fair test to ascertain whether Lana really knows Clark. He did not act out of character enough with her for her to think him odd. Half the people on this forum didn't even know it was Bizarro during the episode before Persona until the very end.
Bizarro did act bizarre with Chloe, but he did not with Lana. And if Bizarro has all of Clark's memories as they say, then he would know how to walk, talk, kiss & other things just like Clark.

[RepairmanBob]

I think Lana-haters and Clana haters are using this as an excuse to hate on Lana more. Even Clark apologized to her for what happened. I think the Lana-lovers and Clana-lovers are finding ways to blame Clark for Lana falling into bed with Bizarro. Clark and Chloe were too mean in Wrath. Lara said she had a darkness in her in Blue. Clark did not immediately forgive her for all of her DarkLana actions and swear eternal love in Blue. How could Lana possobly be held responsible for her own actions when everyone is so mean to her?

And Clark blames himself for everything. Clark blames himself for all the stuff Lana did after she returned to Smallville. Clark blames himself for Lana's parents getting killed. Clark probably blames himself for global warming, New Coke and Brittany's poor parenting skills. Clark saying "it's my fault" does not absolve Lana of her responsibility for failing to recognize dramaitc personality shifts in her true love.

More to the point, on Smallville, mind whammies, possession and personality transfers are fairly common events. Just this season, Lana got a mind mind whammy when she got Clark's powers. If Clark goes from "No sex for fear of killing you" to "It's Sexy Time!", then maybe something is up? Or totally avoiding the sun for 2/4 weeks?
BadToad, knowing what a phantom is does not mean that she suddenly knew that a phantom could grab Clark's DNA and replicated himself. Clark had to explain to her that Bizarro "looks just like him." And how many times has someone shape shifted in Lana's presence. Once and I believe that girl was killed. So, no 6 years later, she probably wouldn't expect that to be the case, because her boyfriend is acting more loving. I could see if he was going around hitting her or cheating on her, but he wasn't. He was working with her more, paying more attention, doing all things things that girls generally love.
IMO, "more loving" is not the same as "much, much different." I am also not sure why Clark would not have told Lana about Bizarro. He has been pretty open about everything else, and even shared secrets with Lana (like the blue crystal) that he kept from everyone else.

But even if I agreed that Lana had no idea Bizarro existed, Lana still ignored the other behavior changes, in a town where "sudden change" usually means "influenced by an outside factor." How much more did he need to change for Lana to catch on? Getting ready to leave Smallville on a whim? Sitting by happily while Lana made cracks about Chloe's research skills?

[Dustmite]

Lana has lived in Smallville all of her life. If someone is behaving oddly, there's a reason for it. And the new smart should really have known that.

[darkone]

He has been pretty open about everything else, and even shared secrets with Lana (like the blue crystal) that he kept from everyone else.


He didnt told her about being immortal which is a big deal IMO.So no Clark is far from being completely honest.But that's an issue for Smallville in general where everyone needs to keep a secret.

As for the topic.Chloe didnt see through Bizarro a whole month aswell and it needed a BIG slip up plus Bizarro's arm grabbing that she got suspicious.Nothing like that happened between Bizana.She also couldnt tell that the real!Clark stood right in front of her at the DP and as the cherry on the cake she believes that Clark has blue eyes when they are indeed green.That's not to say that Chloe is a dumbass but neither is Lana.Bizarro was simply pretty convincing at playing Clark.As he said himself he's an improved version. :)

[Dustmite]

As for the topic.Chloe didnt see through Bizarro a whole month aswell and it needed a BIG slip up plus Bizarro's arm grabbing that she got suspicious.She also couldnt tell that the real!Clark stood in front of her at the DP and as the cherry on the cake she believes that Clark has blue eyes when they are indeed green.That's not to say that Chloe is a dumbass but neither is Lana Bizarro was simply pretty convincing at playing Clark.As he said himself he's an improved version.

From what they showed Chloe hardly say Clark in those weeks. He didn't even have a clue about the changes at the DP and she mentioned how busy she had been. Lana lives with him. There's a difference.

I loved that Clark had to prove to Chloe who he was. Chloe has a sense of self-preservation and isn't blinded by what's on the surface unlike Lana who's pretty easily duped and believed that Biz was Clark even after Clark had returned.

Superman has blue eyes and the writers like to drop that in regardless of TW's eye colour. Chloe is not the only character to refer to them as blue and isn't it sweet that Clark believed Chloe would know him simply by looking him in the eyes. That's faith, right there.

[darkone]

From what they showed Chloe hardly say Clark in those weeks. He didn't even have a clue about the changes at the DP and she mentioned how busy she had been. Lana lives with him. There's a difference.


Well they showed Chloe obsessing over Clark with all her phone calls and all.She even said it in Gemini as she left the Kent farm so it's pretty clear they have alot of contact.It's not a surprise that Jimmy has a big problem with this.It's actually very creepy IMO.


I loved that Clark had to prove to Chloe who he was. Chloe has a sense of self-preservation and isn't blinded by what's on the surface unlike Lana who's pretty easily duped and believed that Biz was Clark even after Clark had returned.

Lana is a loyal girlfriend and just isnt going around asking question or even worse betrays her friends when things dont go her way like Chloe did in the past.But yeah Lana should have been more cautious after Chloe warned her.



Chloe is not the only character to refer to them as blue and isn't it sweet that Clark believed Chloe would know him simply by looking him in the eyes. That's faith, right there.

Oh I think it was interesting to see that Chloe still couldnt recognize him.And that just shows how less of an emotional bond they have.

[Chlarker2008]

Chloe is Clark best friend so i think, that she would know who's real Clark and who isn't. Clark is always around Chloe, and like she said "she has been apart of Clark inner circle for a while" (or something like that). Lana just found out about Clark powers, but as much as she says she loves him and know him, I still think that she should have known.

just my opinon don't kill me for it :D


Lana could cook and eat Shelby, and somehow the show would find a reason to have him apologize to her, and

lol that is so true. :rotfl:

[Dustmite]

Oh I think it was interesting to see that Chloe still couldnt recognize him.And that just shows how less of an emotional bond they have.

Oh and of course Lana, the faithful and loving girlfriend could. No wait...she hugged Biz thinking it was Clark.

[GuardianAngel]

I can't really blame Lana except for one point: it seems (I know there is a whole thread on this topic) she had sex with Bizarro, so why didn't she question why all of a sudden Clark was willing to have sex with her even with his powers? Last time they did it she had superpowers, too.

As far as the rest is concerned, Bizarro did a very good job in making her feel wanted and forgiven for the bad things she did, and seeing as she wanted Clark's approval, it's no surprise she wasn't suspicious.

[RepairmanBob]

Well they showed Chloe obsessing over Clark with all her phone calls and all.She even said it in Gemini as she left the Kent farm so it's pretty clear they have alot of contact.It's not a surprise that Jimmy has a big problem with this.It's actually very creepy IMO.But Bizarro had no idea about the firings at the Daily Planet, which had been taking place for two/four weeks. Chloe specifically mentioned she had been working a lot. And based on Gemini, Chloe does not want to spend a lot of time with Lana, who Bizarro wanted to be with all the time. Pretty easy for me to believe Chloe and Bizarro did not spend a lot of time together.

More to the point, who was Bizarro having lots and lots of sex with? Oh, yes - that would be Lana.

And as for Jimmy? Considering he pulled a Lana and set up Kara as his back-up girlfriend while still dating Chloe, he is hardly a model of quality boyfriend material, IMO.
Lana is a loyal girlfriend and just isnt going around asking question or even worse betrays her friends when things dont go her way like Chloe did in the past.I remember Lana betraying Clark and Chloe's trust in Promise to learn Clark's secret. She did the same to snoop around in Trespass. The entire DarkLana arc in the first part of the year had her hiding some major crimes from her soul mate and her BFF. So, IMO, Lana's season six and seven betrayals trump anything Chloe did in high school. YMMV.

Chloe is not the only character to refer to them as blue and isn't it sweet that Clark believed Chloe would know him simply by looking him in the eyes. That's faith, right there. Oh I think it was interesting to see that Chloe still couldnt recognize him.And that just shows how less of an emotional bond they have. The eye color thing was funny, I admit, but it was a writing error. Not the first time they writers have said TW has blue eyes incorrectly, and it won't be the last time.

And Clana's deep emotional bond sure didn't stop Lana from ignoring major personality changes in her one true love, so long as they were changes that gave her what she wanted. "Clark, you are acting like a different person... but so long as you are completely devoted to me, love me above everything else in the world and we have lots of sex, I won't worry about it." Lana couldn't even tell them apart when RealClark told her Bizarro was Bizarro, and they were wearing different outfits!
Lana could cook and eat Shelby, and somehow the show would find a reason to have him apologize to herAnd Lana would blame Clark for keeping it a secret that Shelby tasted so good.

[Dor el]

For one thing, we actually don't know if Lana knew about the Phantom or not. When Clark comes back, he does say to Lana that it wasn't him, "it was the Phantom", and she doesn't say Who, or What are you talking about? So, I think its just as easy to infer that she did know.

Also, lets remember this is Smallville, where people having their personalities altered, or being body snatched is not exactly unheard of. Given the frequency in which it happens, I certainly do believe that someone acting very strangely all of a sudden would be good reason to question what was going on. If we were talking about our average, everyday RL lives? Then I agree, we might be slower to question it. On SV? Different story altogether.



Lana could cook and eat Shelby, and somehow the show would find a reason to have him apologize to her, and Lana fans would run and blame her behavior on anyone BUT Lana. IMO, Clark apologizing to Lana is just more of the same crap this show always does to exonerate Lana, and frankly, I'm sick to death of it. Clark DID NOT owe Lana an apology in this episode. He didn't fail Lana.



Well, look around, people are saying that. I don't personally agree for a few reasons. For one thing, we have absolutely no idea of knowing how much close contact Bizarro had with Chloe over the weeks he was stealing Clark's life. On the other hand, we do know he was living with Lana, and sleeping with Lana. When Bizarro shows up at the DP, he makes a comment about the lack of employees, and Chloe mentions the firings, which would seem to hint that Bizarro hadn't been visiting there recently. If he had, the comment makes little sense. Chloe also mentions how busy she's been. All these little things make it far easier to believe that Chloe simply had not spent a lot of time around Bizarro. And there can simply be NO case made that she spent as much time with him as the girl going to bed with him every night.

Also, Chloe wasn't kissing him, or having sex with him. Which, IMO, is a pretty big difference.

Hear, hear [raises glass for toast].

[Jory]

Clark has grabbed Chloe's arm before, (I think in "Noir") when she was hinting that Lionel was blackmailing Lana into staying with Lex. So, Bizarro grabbing Chloe's arm WASN'T the first time that "Clark" has done so.

Lois has mentioned Clark's "baby blues" in the epiode "Blank."

[myankskent]

Clark has grabbed Chloe's arm before, (I think in "Noir") when she was hinting that Lionel was blackmailing Lana into staying with Lex. So, Bizarro grabbing Chloe's arm WASN'T the first time that "Clark" has done so.



The circumstances were different in "Persona", IMO, because the arm grab was used in conjunction with an additional piece memory loss. Initially, Chloe thought that Bizarro had just forgotten that he had the shield in the first place, which is when she told Clark to take a breather at home. Then Bizarro grabbed Chloe's arm as she was walking away from him and admitted that he didn't even know where the shield was after Chloe refreshed his memory that he had it. That was the big clue for Chloe. Not only did Bizarro forget that he had the shield, but after he was told he had it, he had no idea where it was. That's why, IMO, without that arm grab and the dialogue that followed, I don't think that Chloe knows that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with Bizarro. Bizarro turned one small mistake, not knowing that he had the shield, into a huge one.

The arm grab, IMO, was out of character for Clark because he never once simply asked Chloe where the shield was, he went straight to the arm grab which frightened Chloe as he asked her where it was. Then he tried to cover it up like he was trying to get Chloe to jog his memory. I think that realClark would've been more patient with Chloe and asked her where the shield was first without getting violent, if "violent" is the right word to use there.

[Jory]

The circumstances were different in "Persona", IMO, because the arm grab was used in combination with an additional piece memory loss. Initially, Chloe thought that Bizarro had just forgotten that he had the shield in the first place, which is when she told Clark to take a breather at home. Then Bizarro grabbed Chloe's arm as she was walking away from him and admitted that he didn't even know where the shield was after Chloe refreshed his memory that he had it. That was the big clue for Chloe. Not only did Bizarro forget that he had the shield, but after he was told he had it, he had no idea where it was. That's why, IMO, without that arm grab and the dialogue that followed, I don't think that Chloe knows that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with Bizarro. Bizarro turned one small mistake, not knowing that he had the shield, into a huge one.

The arm grab, IMO, was out of character for Clark because he never once simply asked Chloe where the shield was, he went straight to the arm grab which frightened Chloe as he asked her where it was. Then he tried to cover it up like he was trying to get Chloe to jog his memory. I think that realClark would've been more patient with Chloe and asked her where the shield was first without getting violent, if "violent" is the right word to use there.

Clark wasn't that patient with Chloe in "Noir", when he thought she didn't want to help find who shot Lana. When he grabbed her arm in "Noir" Chloe said, "First of all ouch" then she pushed his hands off her.

In the scene at the DP in, "Persona", it seemed (to me) that Chloe was suspicious of "Clark" even before the arm grab etc, she was giving him some weird looks in that scene, like she was trying to figure him out. IMO

[BadToad]

Well they showed Chloe obsessing over Clark with all her phone calls and all.She even said it in Gemini as she left the Kent farm so it's pretty clear they have alot of contact.

No, its clear they had SOME contact, not a lot. In fact, there is absolutely no reference to how much contact they had. And Chloe calling Clark because she was worried about him (which seems like something a friend would do) happened because he was missing, and it happened before the changes at the DP and the mass firings that would logically consume a lot of Chloe's time and energies.


Lana is a loyal girlfriend and just isnt going around asking question or even worse betrays her friends when things dont go her way like Chloe did in the past.But yeah Lana should have been more cautious after Chloe warned her.

:lol: Oh yeah, that loyal Lana. Like, remember when she TOTALLY didn't go behind Clark's back to research the spaceship with Lex when they were together in S5. She's the very model of loyalty :lol:


Oh I think it was interesting to see that Chloe still couldnt recognize him.And that just shows how less of an emotional bond they have.

Less of an emotional bond then the twit that was having sex with him, and living with him, and is supposedly his soulmate and couldn't tell the difference?

[xrayvision]

Lana has lived in Smallville all of her life. If someone is behaving oddly, there's a reason for it. And the new smart should really have known that.

Yeah, and because Smallville is a town where all this bizarre (no pun intended) stuff happens and she saw "Clark" acting strangely and was OK with it, she ignored the possibility of something bad happening to him. I'm sure he told her about red-k and how it was responsible for the way he acted in Crimson, Red, Rush, etc. So worst case, she could have assumed that she was with Clark on red-k. The problem is that she was totally OK with it as long as it suited her desires & made her happy. Every other friend Clark had would have been worried and tried to find out if he was on red-k or what the cause of the behavior change was. But Lana didn't. Clark in an altered state is more dangerous than a human in such a state since he has powers, and Lana didn't care about that. Just the fact that he was for the Isis project should have been enough.

So even if Clark didn't tell Lana about Bizarro, she has lived through too many things where Clark (among others) wasn't acting himself and did nothing to investigate it. This shows Lana as a very selfish person. I was ratting on Clark for doing the same thing in Wrath when Lana had powers and Clark ignored it just to get some "action" and now I'll do the same to Lana.

[Honey45]

I warrant that he may be acting differently, but that in and of itself is not enough to convince the average human that he is someone else. When your real life significant other starts acting a little differently, be it distant or more loving, do you think that "hmm, maybe this isn't my boyfriend or girlfriend or spouse. Maybe this is an impostor"?

I agree. I know it's Smallville and people "should" suspect things when normal people wouldn't, but bashing Lana for not knowing it was a Phantom when he wasn't acting all that differently is a bit of a stretch.
It's different with Chloe, because Clark was very abrasive and physical with her. It was fine that she figured something was up. But with Lana, Clark just seemed more loving and caring. Bizarro wasn't THAT different with Lana than Clark was.

To be honest, some people will find any reason to complain about Lana. Lana could die and fall off the face of the Earth, but somehow people will say "Lana's keeping Clark from her destiny! She planned her death so that he would never become Superman!" or something else that's equally ridiculous..

[Tottally ~ Free]

Im sorry but bizclark wasn't just acting difo but he was talking differently aswell... but putting that all aside ..putting aside the way he was acting ,putting aside chloe knowing or not knowing, putting aside lana knowing or not knowing about the phantom.

she's known clark for years .loved him for years . gone on about him not being able to hide things aswell as he thinks for years and yet she spent weeks (a month) looking in his eye's and didn't know it wasn't him looking back ...

[myankskent]

Clark wasn't that patient with Chloe in "Noir", when he thought she didn't want to help find who shot Lana. When he grabbed her arm in "Noir" Chloe said, "First of all ouch" then she pushed his hands off her.


I think that was different because in that scene, Clark was trying to reason with Chloe. He wasn't desperately trying to find something by admitting that he had no memory of where he put it. Bizarro behaved like a true villain in that scene, IMO, because he implied that Chloe was lying to him about the shield and he more or less demanded to know where it was. That's not Clark, IMO.



In the scene at the DP in, "Persona", it seemed (to me) that Chloe was suspicious of "Clark" even before the arm grab etc, she was giving him some weird looks in that scene, like she was trying to figure him out. IMO

I think that prior the arm grab, Chloe's thoughts consisted of this..."Clark, go home and take a breather. Collect your thoughts and you'll be alright." After the arm grab, Chloe's thoughts consisted of this..."You'd never forget where you put something. Something is seriously wrong here. You are clearly not acting like yourself." That is all combined with Bizarro grabbing her arm which struck some fear into her. JMHO.

Now, one thing that I am still stuck on here is trying to relate that Bizarro/Chloe situation to a Bizarro/Lana one. Did Bizarro bring something up to Lana that showed that he had lost his memory of it and did Bizarro push the issue by admitting that he couldn't find the item that he should have in his possession, all while forcefully grabbing Lana? IMO, he didn't. So as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to the concept of Chloe knowing Clark more than Lana, the only thing that can be said here is that Chloe knew about the shield and Lana had no idea about it, implying that Clark opened up to Chloe about it and not to Lana. Then I can fight that off with bringing up the fact that Lana was told about the crystal and Chloe wasn't. That's why I feel that TPTB used very contrived writing to point out the fact that Chloe knows Clark more than Lana. I won't argue that there is truth to it, but the execution of it in this episode was atrocious, IMO.

[kentfamily]

Lana didnt know because Bizarro (while thinking it was Clark) had convinced her that he had changed. Remember what he said in Gemini?

Its the samething over again, Clark is still keeping secrets from Lana. Chloe and Clark has this bond where no one can break into because they will never let anyone into there little circle including Lana. I
t has nothing to do with friendship. Lana tried in to Chloe's friend in the past but Chloe will never fully let her in. Then there is the jealousy between the 2 girls because of Clark.

Clark is selfish and Chloe is selfish. Watching the episodes from the previous seasons up until now, and put it together, you will notice that Chloe has been trying to sabotage the Lana and Clark relationship for the longest. (i.e. when Lana (she had just moved into Lex's) went to see Chloe at the Talon for advice about moving on, Chloe practically insinuated that she should go to the next level with Lex. Knowing well that Clark and Lana still had feelings for each other)
Then there is Clark, if you dont fawn and give yourself 100% of your life to him like Chloe did, he will not trust you. Chloe and Clark are annoying.

[myankskent]

Its the samething over again, Clark is still keeping secrets from Lana.

No he's not. He told her about the crystal at the end of "Lara". Lana was the one who was keeping all of the secrets this time. I see nothing wrong with how Clark has handled his relationship with Lana this season and his friendship with Chloe, although I do wish that Clark would stop going to Chloe for help more often than not and I also wish that Clark wouldn't sleep in the same bed with Lana right after this whole Bizarro incident. That was just tacky, IMO, and not at all realistic, even if Lana didn't do anything devious.

[Dustmite]

Its the samething over again, Clark is still keeping secrets from Lana.

No. Lana has been keeping secrets from Clark this season. That is canon. She has been acting distant. That is canon.


Clark is selfish and Chloe is selfish

Why? How? Lana is the most self absorbed person on the show. She is only happy when everything revolves around her.


you will notice that Chloe has been trying to sabotage the Lana and Clark relationship for the longest....Knowing well that Clark and Lana still had feelings for each other

Did Lana not know how she felt about Clark. You're saying that Chloe knew. If Chloe knew then I'm assuming Lana knew since it is her feelings we are talking about. Can she not think for herself? If she had feelings for Clark why the hell did she go and screw Lex?

And really, Chloe sabotaging? I think not. She's been pushing the two together for the last two years. They are not her responsibility.


Then there is Clark, if you dont fawn and give yourself 100% of your life to him like Chloe did, he will not trust you

Nah, thats not Clark, it's Lana. She expects to be worshipped. No one can live up to her ideals of love.

[samanta]

Clark is selfish and Chloe is selfish. Watching the episodes from the previous seasons up until now, and put it together, you will notice that Chloe has been trying to sabotage the Lana and Clark relationship for the longest. (i.e. when Lana (she had just moved into Lex's) went to see Chloe at the Talon for advice about moving on, Chloe practically insinuated that she should go to the next level with Lex. Knowing well that Clark and Lana still had feelings for each other)
Then there is Clark, if you dont fawn and give yourself 100% of your life to him like Chloe did, he will not trust you. Chloe and Clark are annoying.:confused: Chloe is the biggest Clana cheerleader of the show. She tried to warn Lana about Lex, tried to get Clark to tell Lana his secret, told Lex to stop going after Lana, when Lana didn't know about Clark, Chloe was lying about Clark's strange behavior to her so he could keep his relationship with Lana (like Hypnotic). Watch the context of the episodes before the Talon scene.
How the hell are Chloe and Clark selfish? Just few examples, please.

[Spaniard]

Lana tried in to Chloe's friend in the past but Chloe will never fully let her in.

I'm not a Chloe fan at all, but seriously, what show have you been watching?

Chloe told Lana that Lex was a predator, that Lex "certainly wouldn't be my first choice, but he wouldn't even really be on my list"... How you translate that into "Oh yeah, move on with him so Clark will be mine"? Amazing.

It's not Chloe's fault that Lana NEVER listens or trusts her "friends"

[RepairmanBob]

Clark is selfish and Chloe is selfish. Watching the episodes from the previous seasons up until now, and put it together, you will notice that Chloe has been trying to sabotage the Lana and Clark relationship for the longest. (i.e. when Lana (she had just moved into Lex's) went to see Chloe at the Talon for advice about moving on, Chloe practically insinuated that she should go to the next level with Lex. Knowing well that Clark and Lana still had feelings for each other)
Then there is Clark, if you dont fawn and give yourself 100% of your life to him like Chloe did, he will not trust you. Chloe and Clark are annoying. Chloe has spent the last two years pimping Clana. She called Lana he "sister" in season two. She spent all of season five trying to get Clark to tell Lana his Secret. She repeatedly advised Lana against marrying Lex, and even told her Lex was involved in projects like Level 33.1. (Lana, of course, ignored Chloe's advice. See a trend?) Chloe pushed Clark to break up Lex and Lana's wedding in Promise.

Clark told Lana the Secret in Phantom. Everyone else learned by accident, or against Clark's wishes, but he went to Lana and told her the truth out of his won free will. After Lana faked her dead and ran off, breaking his heart, he took her back and let her move into the farm. He has leveled with her, told her secrets that he has share with no one else, even left her with Lara.

I completely disagree with the idea that Clark and Chloe are not caring, compassionate or devoted enough to Lana. If anything, they are too forgiving, too accepting and let her get away with too much.
How the hell are Chloe and Clark selfish? Just few examples, please. Yes, I would also like some examples. Here, I'll start with a few about Lana:

- Lana betrayed Clark and Chloe's trust, and put Chloe in danger, so she could try to learn Clark's secret in Promise. What would have happened if Lex had cameras installed in the wine cellar?
- Lana was stalking Clark and tried to break into Chloe's laptop in Trespass.
- Lana left Chloe and Clark think she was dead when she ran away in Phantom.
- Lana attacked Lois and Clark and mocked Clark in Wrath.
- Lana was extremely rude, even hurtful, when Chloe tried to warn her something was wrong with Clark in Persona.

[Clana4Life]

The post is getting a little off topic. I will say this: people are reaching. So Lana wanted to know Clark's secret and created a little freezer scenario. That's pretty minor. I think she knew the Luthor mansion well enough to know that there were no cameras in the wine cellar. Why would there be? Cameras can only work in certain temperatures. Freezing isn't one of them. And she never would have left Chloe in the cellar. Stalking? Just because she was curious. And her intent in Phantom was to protect Clark and herself from the crazy Luthors, not to break hearts.

Back on topic:
As Honey and others have said - there was no way for Lana to know that it was Bizarro. And I who knows how much time Biz-Clark spent with Chloe. People are guessing. Maybe the firings were a new occurence that had happened that week. By the way, she spent more time with him in episode prior to this one, and still didn't know. It would be a hard thing to figure out. The ONLY people who knew were Braniac and JOr-El. People keep saying "Lana should have known, Lana should have known." Should have known what exactly? That her boyfriend wanted to try to be intimate with her? Wow, how strange is that! Maybe he had a talk with her where said, "I'd like to try. We just have to be careful." Clark might say something like that. Biz is a great actor. And sorry to be a little graphic with this, but if Biz has Clark's memories, wouldn't he know how to "perform" like Clark? Is the fact that Biz called Lana "Beautiful" a red flag? Please! Is the fact that he wanted to track down and stop Brainiac a red flag. So far this all sounds very much like Clark. So someone tell me what the big clue was that Biz gave Lana that indicated he was not himself. 'Cause in my book if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it's a duck, not some clone phantom duck.

[98chase]

The only thing that I think should have SCREAMED "Clark is acting weird" to Lana is the fact that Clark was willing to give up the farm. People sometimes have "revelations" about relationships and change, I could see Lana overlooking that one. However, giving up the family farm....not so much.

[Dustmite]

So Lana wanted to know Clark's secret and created a little freezer scenario. That's pretty minor.

Minor? Oh of course this is Lana and her wrongs are not wrongs at all but just minor blips. The fact that she had no right to his secret and the fact that she was devious and underhand don't matter at all. As long as Lana gets what Lana wants.

When Lex does the same thing it's wrong. When Chloe does the same thing, it's downright evil, when Lana does it, it's perfectly alright becasue no one has the right to keep anything from Lana and she must be privy to all despite the fact that she's getting married to another man and as far as she is aware is carrying said mans baby.


Stalking? Just because she was curious

When Lana stalks, she's being curious. When people stalk Lana, they are being creepy.


So someone tell me what the big clue was that Biz gave Lana that indicated he was not himself

How can she live with him and miss the fact that he's allergic to sun.

[RepairmanBob]

So someone tell me what the big clue was that Biz gave Lana that indicated he was not himself Not going into the sun for 4 weeks?
Deciding to leave the farm?
Deciding, after months of being concerned that he would hurt Lana during sex, that it was time to get busy?
Giving up on finding Kara?
Or my favorite, in a town where mind whammies are a pretty regular occurrence, all of the above?
So Lana wanted to know Clark's secret and created a little freezer scenario. That's pretty minor. I think she knew the Luthor mansion well enough to know that there were no cameras in the wine cellar. Why would there be? Cameras can only work in certain temperatures. Freezing isn't one of them. And she never would have left Chloe in the cellar.Cameras work just fine outside the freezer, which is where Clark was located when he ran in, ripped the locked door off its hinges and heat visioned the door back on. Lana knew Lex had cameras all over the mansion - why take the risk?

Stupidity aside is the issue of betrayal. Lana knew Clark did not want to tell her his secret. She knew Chloe would not tell her anything. So, she abused the trust of two people who have saved her countless times, because she it suited her desires. She stole information Clark was not yet willing to freely give her. How is this not a bad thing?

Oh, yeah, because it is Lana.

[Cogito17]

The characters in Smallville are as smart or as stupid as the writers need them to be.

Clark doesn't realize when Brainiac is posing as his father, who was telling him to kill Lionel Luthor (which is out of character for JK). No one notices many of the meteor freaks despite their presence in smallville for several years (this includes everything from being able to split in two, controlling a swarm of bees, changing one's appearance at will, etc.). Of course, lets not forget the greatest of all, it takes years for the people closest to Clark to discover that he is an alien with super human abilities who is allergic to meteor rocks. If you are willing to suspend beleif to accept that all of the above can happen, then you are pretty crazy NOT to accept that bizarro can dupe Lana for a week or two.

Lana makes her share of mistakes, but if you are gonna start bashing for not being able to notice he was Bizarro in this episode... you should have stopped watching after the first season where Clark flies into a tornado to save Lana, and somehow keeps his secret intact. A certain level of suspension of beleif is required to watch a show like this, I don't see why Lana should suddenly be exempt from that.

[Clana4Life]

[QUOTE=RepairmanBob;3572842]Not going into the sun for 4 weeks?
Deciding to leave the farm?
Deciding, after months of being concerned that he would hurt Lana during sex, that it was time to get busy?
Giving up on finding Kara?
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Thank you, RepairmanBob, because at least you gave reasons. I can address those.

(1) Sun/4 weeks....Bizarro has been out in the sun and I'm guessing for 4 weeks. Went to see Chloe in teh daylight. Went to the FOS in the daylight. Came back home to Lana in the daylight. Nothing gives me the impression that he can't and hasn't gone out in the daylight. Granted he may not stay outside for long periods, but he does travel in the daylight. He's not a vampire. Lana wasn't micromanaging him - she does work at the Isis Foundation, she's not watching his every move 24/7. Like most, she probably gets off at 5:00 p.m. (when it's dark). And Biz could do whatever chores he had to do in the blink of an eye.

(2) Leaving the farm... Is this really an argument, because Superman/Clark does leave the farm and he moves to Metroplis. That is cannon. RedK-Clark left the farm. Clark has talked about leaving the farm to do his training. And it seems like each year, Ben Hubbard leases a little more of the farm. People give up jobs, homes, inheritances for the people they love all of the time. If my significant other believes I would be happier in another city away from Lex, and decides to give up everything to take me there, I would think, "he really loves me and is putting me first." Clark has done so much for Lana, I think he would actually give up the farm for her. Heck he was considering giving up his powers for her and completely stopped training for her. You're telling me he wouldn't leave the farm for her? What show have you been watching? He'd cut off his right arm for her.

(3) Getting "busy"... I have no clue how far Clark and Lana go on a given basis. Heck, I don't want to know. I know they don't have sex, but they do something. How far they push the envelope, who can say. I think Biz probably worked up to sex. I think they experimented. I think he was smart. I think one night, he probably said, "Let's try and be very careful." In Season 5, Clark (with his powers) was about to sleep with Lana until she said "ouch". He thought he had hurt her and immediately stopped when in actuality she was lying on top of something that had brushed against her. If she had not said "ouch" I don't think they would have stopped. It's not unlikely for Clana to at least try. and as you said it was 4 weeks. I think it was a process and that HE (Biz) convinced her. Not that she probably needed much convincing.

(4) Giving up on Kara...Didn't Biz act like he looked for her and then convinced Lana that Kara did not want to be found during the episode before Persona? Honestly, I believed him, too. I didn't think that was strange. I was like, okay, what's going on with Chimmy? Biz was convincing, and he or Lana said something like, "maybe she'll come back after she takes some time alone." No one else thought it was strange that he wasn't looking for Kara, not even Chloe.

I looked over the arguments, they just don't seem big enough to warrant a full on investigation. None of the above are really unlike Clark. Biz didn't do anything really bizarre, at least not with Lana.

[ClarksNextGF]

Clark stood right in front of her at the DP and as the cherry on the cake she believes that Clark has blue eyes when they are indeed green.

That had nothing to do with Bizarro - if you watch closely, Clark's eye color changes weekly - whether he is "himself" or not. And, I didn't check -but, I would be willing to bet that if watched all the previous Bizarro episodes, he would have blue eyes at least once.

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To be honest, some people will find any reason to complain about Lana. Lana could die and fall off the face of the Earth, but somehow people will say "Lana's keeping Clark from her destiny! She planned her death so that he would never become Superman!" or something else that's equally ridiculous..

LOL!!!! Lana did that!!!! She DID die and fall off the face of the Earth !! Turns out - it WAS ALL A LIE. She was KEEPING SECRETS!! She DID plan her death - and lied to everyone. Then, when she finally came back - she begged Clark to continue lying for her...

[luvinChlark]

Not going into the sun for 4 weeks?
Deciding to leave the farm?
Deciding, after months of being concerned that he would hurt Lana during sex, that it was time to get busy?
Giving up on finding Kara?
Or my favorite, in a town where mind whammies are a pretty regular occurrence, all of the above?



Adding to those:

Saying that he will FLY lana to paris. hello, clark doesn't fly. why didn't she say Clark, you can't FLY! (later she even said "Clark, remember you were going to fly me to Paris." so she wasn't talking about an airplane)
Bizarro was acting very unclark-like, he just seemed more like a robot. (how she couldn't tell is beyond me)

[ClarksNextGF]

Thank you, RepairmanBob, because at least you gave reasons. I can address those.
(1) Sun/4 weeks....
(2) Leaving the farm... Heck he was considering giving up his powers for her and completely stopped training for her.
(3) Getting "busy"...

I edited these to keep it shorter
1- NO. We have no indication that he has been in the sun. One of the charaters even mentions that it has been over cast for weeks. And, if she has been so busy at the foundation - there is no reason they would have seen each other outside of the house. And he did react as soon as the sunlight came into the room - which implies that he has been keeping himself out of the sun in front of her.
2 - He stopped his training to save Chloe's life. She wandered into the fortress during his training, and he left to save her. He stayed in SV to help Lana. When he finally decided he was ready to go back to his training, he had to "round up" the phantoms first - which is what he was currently doing.
3 - Clark adamently refused to "touch" Lana for fear that he would hurt her. That has been consistent. If he suddenly changed his view of this - she should have noticed and asked why.

[Clana4Life]

Robot? If robots are hot, loving and romantic, then yeah he was acting like a "robot." BY fly, she meant "airplane." That part was obvious. And Biz totally corrected himself when she said, "Clark you can't fly." Biz was careful about everything. That wasn't something out of the ordinary. He said, "you make me feel as though I can fly." A very sweet statement that would make pretty much any girl's heart swoon.

COGITO17, good point. People want to hate Lana. They find a million reasons to hate her. It doesn't matter how illogical the argument is, they just hate her. She got duped. It wasn't her fault. The guy was GOOD. As far as imitations go, this one was pretty much perfect. Heck, I wanted to keep him around. If you are going to bash her, have a good reason. Don't bash her for not figuring out what no one else figured out (except for Brainiac and Jor-EL). In other words it would take someone out of this world (literally) to figure out that it wasn't Clark.

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I edited these to keep it shorter
1- NO. We have no indication that he has been in the sun. One of the charaters even mentions that it has been over cast for weeks. And, if she has been so busy at the foundation - there is no reason they would have seen each other outside of the house. And he did react as soon as the sunlight came into the room - which implies that he has been keeping himself out of the sun in front of her.
2 - He stopped his training to save Chloe's life. She wandered into the fortress during his training, and he left to save her. He stayed in SV to help Lana. When he finally decided he was ready to go back to his training, he had to "round up" the phantoms first - which is what he was currently doing.
3 - Clark adamently refused to "touch" Lana for fear that he would hurt her. That has been consistent. If he suddenly changed his view of this - she should have noticed and asked why.

I gave you three instances that he was out in the sun. What are you talking about? The indication is that we SAW him out in the sun. His been in the sun before, i.e., the first episode of the season. It takes a while sometimes before his face cracks. No one ever said that Clark had been hiding out at the house. After breakfast, I'm assuming Lana goes off to work. So how would she really notice anyway if he was staying out of the sun. What, because he said clothes the curtains and come back to bed? Oooh, that's so strange.:rolleyes:

(2) The point remains that he will leave the farm - period, whether it be for his training or to leave Metropolis. I think he would even leave for Lana. He'd do anything else for her - even turn back time. The fact that he was willing to leave doesn't scream "you're an impostor." It screams, okay, you're ready for a change. How many people stay at their childhood homes forever? Very few, not even Clark.

(3) Adamantly? A couple of episodes he touched her as in when she had his powers. Season 5 he came close to sleeping with her even with his powers. I don't know how "adamantly" he really refuses. And realistically I don't know how long he can keep that up, especially with her sleeping next to him every night. The fact that Biz wanted to try and did try wouldn't necessarily scream "impostor" either. It screams, "I don't know about you, but I can't take this anymore."

[Honey45]

LOL!!!! Lana did that!!!! She DID die and fall off the face of the Earth !! Turns out - it WAS ALL A LIE. She was KEEPING SECRETS!! She DID plan her death - and lied to everyone. Then, when she finally came back - she begged Clark to continue lying for her...

Apparently you chose to ignore the rest of that sentence, which reads "Lana's keeping Clark from her destiny! She planned her death so that he would never become Superman!"
Whether or not she planned her death wasn't what I was talking about. I specifically said if she planned her death purposely so he wouldn't become Superman.

[jazel]

Lana, is Clark's angel, I will no longer dispute that.:p
She is the reason, he is alive, AND the reason, he becomes who he is destinied to become.........Lana and Chloe's, shopping elephant.
When the girls, feel the need to do "some" credit damage, they call Clark,:p LOL

[ClarksNextGF]

Apparently you chose to ignore the rest of that sentence, which reads "Lana's keeping Clark from her destiny! She planned her death so that he would never become Superman!"
Whether or not she planned her death wasn't what I was talking about. I specifically said if she planned her death purposely so he wouldn't become Superman.

Your original post said that "IF" Land did that, the "people would say.." So, yes I read that wrong.

However, she did NOT plan her death to help Clark in anyway. She did it get away from Lex. And her lying to everyone about shows that she doesn't care who she hurt in the process.

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Anyway to back on topic ... the point is that she claims she has been in love with him for years - and yet she couldn't even tell that it wasn't him.

If you have known someone for years, and long enough to fall in love with them - you would know if they were suddenly someone else. If she truely cared about him, she would have noticed.

She doesn't care about him - she only cares about herself. So, she didn't notice. She only noticed that he was being nicer to her. And in her selfish mind, that's all that mattered.

[AndiGirl]

I would have been more lenient if Lana was more open to it during the episode. Chloe tried to warn her...and she wouldnt listen. Heck, the real Clark has to convince her that he infact wasnt there for a month.

[kasealaine]

What really got me is her response to Clark saying that he had just gotten back from the fortress was something like, "Oh Clark, you've just forgotten the past four weeks. Chloe said that you weren't remembering things like you usually do."
First of all, forgetting the shield... that's a big thing to forget, but it's nothing compared to forgetting FOUR WEEKS OF YOUR LIFE! There's not a comparison between those two.
Besides that, if it really was Clark the whole time and he just forgot FOUR WEEKS OF HIS LIFE, would you not be concerned? Isn't something wrong if you loose that much time?