Oh, good - more lousy writing...

[ClarksNextGF]

For the first time in five years, I wasn't excited about a new episode. I wasn't expecting it to be good, and then -this episode is simply one more example of horrible writing!!

The idea that Jor-El would trap Clark in the fortress is just obsurd. The Jor-El in Smallville is not vendictive, and he would have no interest in punishing Clark. His only interest has always been teaching Clark and preparing him for his destiny. That may not be what the comic books or movies did -but in this show, the Jor-El character would not have done that.

And - I am getting really bored with the new Kryptonians on Earth storyline. This makes four different Kryptonians that the LAST SON OF KRYPTON has found on Earth THIS YEAR. Darn lazy writers. Hey- here's an idea - how about NOT repeating the same used storyline for every episode of the season?

And, in yet another repeated storyline - Clark and Lana have it out, Lana admits she's not happy with Clark, and of course he wont stand up to her. That scene is so old, and they have done that so many times - there was absolutely NO drama in the whole scene. You could tell there was suppose to be, and maybe someone who had only ever watched one episode would have liked it. But, how many times can they repeat the same thing.


So dissappointing :(

[ramjeetp]

Hi there

You can call it 'more lousy writing' but I have just got used to this show with the repeated storylines and inconsistencies. I was only really looking forward to the return of Smallville and wanted to know how and why Clark was trapped in the FOS? I have read other posts and I agree with some people that Jor-El had the perfect chance to train Clark some. Why would Clark even think about going back to the FOS now?

I don't think the writers can be blamed too much. The writers strike has effected every show and maybe some shows have had to be changed and had their endings rushed? Obviously this episode could have been much better but I try not to expect anything good from this show anymore.....Here is to hoping for some improvements....

[Billy Jor-El]

Well, I think this ep was written and produced before the strike began (but let's keep the strike discussion on the thread where it belongs...).

As for trapping Clark in the FoS, I haven't read all the other thoughts, but it occurs to me that Jor-El may have wanted to keep Clark in there for years and years, until all the people he cared about are gone, thus he has no one left to care about and must turn to his training/destiny. What a lousy Dad! A great steak would have been a much better bargaining chip ;)

[Odysseus]

[QUOTE]For the first time in five years, I wasn't excited about a new episode. I wasn't expecting it to be good, and then -this episode is simply one more example of horrible writing!!

Really? I thought this episode was great. Bizarro is a very fun character, and so is Brainiac. Chloe was in character and smart. Lana wasn't as annoying as she usually is. And Clark was back in action. Also, I thought the Grant plot this episode was good drama, as it was tragic, and showed how far down the dark path Lex is going


The idea that Jor-El would trap Clark in the fortress is just obsurd. The Jor-El in Smallville is not vendictive, and he would have no interest in punishing Clark.

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Jor-El is not vindictive? Jor-El has no interest in punishing Clark? We must be watching different shows, because for the past 5 seasons, the Jor-El character on this show has been literally OBSESSED with punishing Clark and droning "You must obey me, or there will be consequences!" In fact, this was the very FIRST message Jor-El had for Clark when he premiered in the S2 finale, even going so far as to agonizingly BRAND Clark's skin with the House of El symbol


His only interest has always been teaching Clark and preparing him for his destiny. That may not be what the comic books or movies did -but in this show, the Jor-El character would not have done that.

Um, I'm afraid you've got it reversed. In the comics, Jor-El never would have punished Clark like this. In "Smallville," he WOULD, as we've been shown time and time again for the past several seasons.


And - I am getting really bored with the new Kryptonians on Earth storyline. This makes four different Kryptonians that the LAST SON OF KRYPTON has found on Earth THIS YEAR. Darn lazy writers. Hey- here's an idea - how about NOT repeating the same used storyline for every episode of the season?

It gets a little repetitive, sure, but usually it has cool results/cool characters. General Zod anyone?

BTW, the writers of the comics constantly repeat the "new Kryptonian in town" theme. So for the Smallville writers to do the same thing, actually means they're being true to the comics in this instance, oddly enough.


And, in yet another repeated storyline - Clark and Lana have it out, Lana admits she's not happy with Clark, and of course he wont stand up to her. That scene is so old, and they have done that so many times - there was absolutely NO drama in the whole scene. You could tell there was suppose to be, and maybe someone who had only ever watched one episode would have liked it. But, how many times can they repeat the same thing.

Well, I can't argue you with on this last part.:)

It's true, the Lana-drama has been boring since Season 2, no argument there.

[RepairmanBob]

The idea that Jor-El would trap Clark in the fortress is just obsurd. The Jor-El in Smallville is not vendictive, and he would have no interest in punishing Clark. Wow, I thought the branding incident in season two made it clear Jor-El was a jerk. Or the mind rape of season three. Or stealing Clark's powers, just because he could, which lead to Jonathan's death.

All Jor-El does is give Clark cryptic advise and punish him.
And, in yet another repeated storyline - Clark and Lana have it out, Lana admits she's not happy with Clark, and of course he wont stand up to her. That scene is so old, and they have done that so many times - there was absolutely NO drama in the whole scene. You could tell there was suppose to be, and maybe someone who had only ever watched one episode would have liked it. But, how many times can they repeat the same thing. OK, that I agree with.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Oh good more whinning...

[ClarksNextGF]

Jor-El is not vindictive? Jor-El has no interest in punishing Clark? We must be watching different shows, because for the past 5 seasons, the Jor-El character on this show has been literally OBSESSED with punishing Clark and droning "You must obey me, or there will be consequences!" In fact, this was the very FIRST message Jor-El had for Clark when he premiered in the S2 finale, even going so far as to agonizingly BRAND Clark's skin with the House of El symbol.

Um, I'm afraid you've got it reversed. In the comics, Jor-El never would have punished Clark like this. In "Smallville," he WOULD, as we've been shown time and time again for the past several seasons. .

Yes, the branding the skin thing in S2 was not good. But since then, what? Even the BDA has said several times that Jor-El's only interest was in helping Clark, but Clark always mis-understood. Like the crystal/stone thing - As far as the "grave consequences" - that wasn't Jor-El's doing. He didn't cause the second meteor shower - he told Clark what to do in order to stop it. Not Jor-Els fault that Clark refused to listen.

As far as Jonathon's death - that was NOT Jor-El's fault. That had NOTHING to do with Jor-El. Clark made a stupid decision, and as a result, Jonathon and Martha were in a accident. And in the hospital - Jonathon lectures CK and makes it clear that JK doesn't want CK around (won't even let him in the room to talk to his mother). So, CK runs away - and JK feels guilty - which he should, since it was his fault. JK goes to Jor-El and asks for help - Jor-El says no (cuz he doesn't care if Clark returns to Smallville). JK continues asking and Jor-El gives in. That was COMPLETELY Jonathon's fault - not Jor-Els. He didn't make Clark run away, and he didn't force Jonathon to take on the powers that led to his death.

When Jor-El took away Clarks powers (S5?), even CK said it was what he always wanted. Yes, that was a type of punishment - but it wasn't punishment just for the sake of punishment. He did it to teach Clark a lesson - and ultimately - to take away his mortallity. Locking him in ice for a couple weeks was just for what ?? As someone else said - that would just make him not want to go back. There was no reason for it.

I can't think of other times when Jor-El has mentioned consquences, although the "obey me" speech is often repeated. The consequences that Jor-El talks about are usually not his doing, but something bad that could be prevented if only Clark would listen..