Do you think Clark did the right thing by going to kill bizarro?

[sithius]

Before I begin I would like to say that I am placing the blame on Clark as he was the one who got the Kryptonite and intentionally went to use it on Bizarro. (yes Lana used it, however Clark bought the 'gun' so to speak but was sent flying before he had the chance to pull the trigger). Obviously Lana can be brought into this but that is another debate. ;)

Now I understand that Superman has killed in the comics (see the famous Doomsday battle) however Supes will always look for a possible alternative before taking a life.

I'm going to apply Clark's ethics (the big ones such as murder etc) as Superman's. They go hand in hand in my mind. So if Clark is willing to kill in Smallville he will be willing to kill as Superman in the future.

From what I saw Clark didn't do any searching on possible alternatives to stop Bizarro. He didn't contact MM for starters or try to get sunlight on Bizarro to weaken him. He could have used mirrors or artificial light (not sure on this one) and then locked Bizarro up (or see the MM possibility again). With his powers and mental capacity there is no telling on the amount of ways he could have stopped Bizarro without killing him.

Another question is what constitutes 'life'? Well Bizarro was the product of a lab experiement but he could think for himself and feel emotions; he wasn't a computer program. I think he was alive and the Superman I know and love wouldn't take his life so quickly.

So polls up and opinions wanted. :)

[xrayvision]

Lana killed Bizarro, not Clark. So another murder on Lana's hands.

[TheLastKryptonian]

In an interview with Al Gough there's been talks with the writers about if Clark has actually killed anyone. Ex: Titan looked like he was killed by Clark but really he fell on his own blade-hand. TPTB have said that Superman can't kill on this show but yet has done so in the comics a few times like Doomsday and Zod. However in this episode Clark didn't actually kill Bizarro, although he planned to. It was ACTUALLY Lana who killed him so technically Clark still hasn't killed anyone, YET.

[DarkseidNow]

I agree. Clark didn't kill Bizarro, but he has killed a few times on the show no matter what AlMiles say.

He kinda sorta killed Nox, or thought he did.

He killed that liquid metal dude in "Gone" 4.02.

He vaporized the plant chick in "Wither." 6.03

He also accidentally killed that dude who was threatening Lana and the blind kid with the power to identify meteor freaks in Season 6.

[Alexander III]

Lana did. Not Clark.

[sithius]

Oh for Pete's sake (no pun ;)). It doesn't matter, he still was moments away from killing. He would have, he just got knocked about by Bizarro before he could slam that chunk of rock on him.

Can a mod change the title of the poll too 'Was it wrong for Clark, the future Superman, to attempt to kill Bizarro?'

[dru-zod2501]

though Superman should do everything in his power not to kill, If there was absolutely, positively, no other way, I say he should whatever it takes and deal with the consequences.

The problem with this Clark is that he almost never takes the time to consider other alternatives, whatever's most expedient at the moment. So do I think the Blue K solution was appropriate, but how he got to it wasn't conclusive

[yushwa]

I doubt Bizarro is dead and gone, but obviously TPTB had to find a way temporarily discontinue his character and focus on future villains for the series.


Personally, I think Clark's human emotions got the best of him. Technically, Bizarro didn't do anything to harm anyone since his return. If anything, he was just trying to take over Clark's life, even if it meant saving people. Realistically speaking, how would you feel if you were imprisoned, and your enemy pretended to be you and had sex with your girl for a month? Think about!:cool:

[jazzylg]

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Technically, Bizarro didn't do anything to harm anyone since his return. If anything, he was just trying to take over Clark's life, even if it meant saving people. Realistically speaking, how would you feel if you were imprisoned, and your enemy pretended to be you and had sex with your girl for a month? [/B]!:



Okay, 'Technically'...Did you see how Bizarro Clark fried an innocent good samaritan with his heat vision? Or how he ripped the guts out of Lex's Lawyer? Or how he practically strong armed chloe? Hmm.... I think he needed to get eliminated. Can you imagine the havoc he would have wrecked if someone was staring at Lana(Like in the episode Red, when clark beats up 3 guys in a bar) ?:rolleyes:

[DreadShamus]

Clark took the Blue K with the intention of killing Bizzaro. Absolutely unacceptable for Superman mythology.
Killing Doomsday doesn't count, because that was a final blow while he was also being killed. The one time Superman 'murdered' anyone was the Time Trapper's alternate universe pocket 3 Kryptonians, led by Zod. They were each unlimitedly powerful and he became Gangbuster as a split personality from the guilt.

[yushwa]

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Okay, 'Technically'...Did you see how Bizarro Clark fried an innocent good samaritan with his heat vision? Or how he ripped the guts out of Lex's Lawyer? Or how he practically strong armed chloe? Hmm.... I think he needed to get eliminated. Can you imagine the havoc he would have wrecked if someone was staring at Lana(Like in the episode Red, when clark beats up 3 guys in a bar) ?:rolleyes:



I guess you didn't see the part where "Since his return" was typed :rolleyes:. I guess strong arming Chloe was a bit extreme, but it was no where close to what he's done since his first arrival.

And If you remember in episode 1, since he shared the same love for Lana, Bizarro expressed how he was willing to change for the better. Plus he saved Chloe and Jimmy from a bomb in an elevator weeks before, so he gets a pass from me. So yeah, after sharing the same bed with Lana for weeks could make a guy wanna strong arm someone to avoid changes. I know I would. :D

[aqgalaxy]

Easy thing to do, was to have Jor-El imprison Bizarro in a block of ice, I mean the fortress is soo freaking massive so they could lock him up in a small unknown part of that structure.

[Vergon6]

Easy thing to do, was to have Jor-El imprison Bizarro in a block of ice, I mean the fortress is soo freaking massive so they could lock him up in a small unknown part of that structure.
Yeah, but unfortunately that probably would have only been accomplished if blue kryptonite would have actually weakened Bizarro, rather than overloading him with too much power until he explodes. They could have just forced a blue kryptonite ring on his finger or tapped into his body or something.

[HowardFilms]

Ah, but is Bizarro dead, or is the copied kryptonian body destroyed? I would argue the latter.

[ramjeetp]

Do some of you really think Clark did a bad thing by wanting the intention to kill Bizarro? I don't think there is any doubt, how would you feel if someone took over your life and no one else knew the difference in you? I would not like that and if you remember Jor-El only released Clark as he realised the last Phantom has returned.

I must say I was surprised but happy that Bizarro Clark saved Chloe and Jimmy in the lift though...

I wonder why Clark didn't hold up the Superman S symbol shield to lock the phantom in Bizarro into The Phantom Zone? Or has the Phantom been destroyed with Bizarro's Clark body?

I am sure Clark/Superman would kill to save someone close to him.....

[kryptonaidxh]

Lana did. Not Clark.

exactly, but if Clark´s motive is killing Bizarro just because he slept with Lana the yes, Clark is a stupid again.

[Dor el]

Ah, but is Bizarro dead, or is the copied kryptonian body destroyed? I would argue the latter.

I was thinking along these lines too. The phantom's corporeal body had already been destroyed in the PZ. Bizzarro's body was really Clark's body stolen from him by the phantom. Does Clark not have the right to control his own personal DNA and the use of it? Is the phantom dead or just Clark's replication? Could the phantom have gone into another body? Say...Lana's? (He did seem to really enjoy intimacy with her.) Just thinking out loud here. Could the phantom jump into another body even if it is not within spitting distance? Just wondering. :confused:

In any event, if Clark did in fact cause Biz's death, could it not be construed as self defense? Biz was going to kill Clark so he could take over Clarks' life. After all, the "shoes fit pretty well."

[susangail]

I voted no. Bizarro was up to no good, and he wasn't going to stop. However Martian Manhunter imprisoned him was not good enough. Clark couldn't know all the particulars, but he had the phantom pegged.

Has anyone ever attempted to explain why Superman has gone to such lengths not to kill? What if it's because Clark killed and regretted it?

[kp1984]

Maybe he thought blue K would weaken him the same way green K weakend him. That what I thought at frist but he actually had to touch it. As for the liquid guy, it never actually showed him dying. It just showed him falling into the lava or whatever that was. I bet he could still come back if the lava cold off.

[Vergon6]

He was told by Brainiac (posing as Lionel) that Blue Kryptonite would give Bizarro way too much power for him to handle, that his energy level would rise exponentially and be destroyed from all that power.

In Phantom, Clark already had tried to use the S-shield to try and trap the Phantom (what would become Bizarro) in the phantom zone, but the Phantom was so powerful that it broke the S-shield, and entered Clark's body, duplicating his DNA in the process, and hence we got Bizarro.

[All about Clark]

Clark has had the intention to kill twice, Titan and Bizarro. And both were too powerful for mankind to defend against, so that is why I find it acceptable. Not to mention that both Titan and Bizarro proved to be killers. Lana giving the blue K to Bizarro is meaningless, she did what Clark attempted to do, and did so because Clark told her it was necessary to kill Bizarro. I hold Lana free from this. She was simply assisting Clark do what he came to do, and that was to kill Bizarro.

[vezz801]

Originally Posted by [B
Technically, Bizarro didn't do anything to harm anyone since his return. If anything, he was just trying to take over Clark's life, even if it meant saving people. Realistically speaking, how would you feel if you were imprisoned, and your enemy pretended to be you and had sex with your girl for a month? [/b]!:

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True. How would you feel if you were created, called a failure, and put in the Phantom Zone just for that? You'd want a life, which is waht Bizarro wanted all long. To be loved, to actually have a life. But he needed Kryptonian Dna to live. At first, yes, he was a bad phantom. He tried to kill Clark (so he could live his life) and in the process gained not only all of his memories, but his emotions and feelings. After a while on Mars, Bizarro probably began to miss Lana, who he'd never met, but who he'd seen in Clark's memories and snice the feelings were copied, when he returned, he began to really fall in love with her. How would you feel if your whole life, you were in prison, and after years, fianlly got out and had a chance at a normal life, and then that person came back because Bizarro wanted to get rid of his problem so he could truly live a life? That's all he ever wanted. But that's just my opinion.

[bc1sjw]

I was thinking along these lines too. The phantom's corporeal body had already been destroyed in the PZ. Bizzarro's body was really Clark's body stolen from him by the phantom. Does Clark not have the right to control his own personal DNA and the use of it? Is the phantom dead or just Clark's replication? Could the phantom have gone into another body? Say...Lana's? (He did seem to really enjoy intimacy with her.) Just thinking out loud here. Could the phantom jump into another body even if it is not within spitting distance? Just wondering. :confused:

In any event, if Clark did in fact cause Biz's death, could it not be construed as self defense? Biz was going to kill Clark so he could take over Clarks' life. After all, the "shoes fit pretty well."


No - its not possible.

Remember - a Kryptonian body/DNA is the only thing strong enough to sustain the Phantom, hence his search for Clark. Any other human body he is in dissolves within 24 hours.

[xrayvision]

No - its not possible.

Remember - a Kryptonian body/DNA is the only thing strong enough to sustain the Phantom, hence his search for Clark. Any other human body he is in dissolves within 24 hours.

I think it is possible because Brainiac was involved. I don't think he would simply want Bizarro dead. He can accomplish much more if he has Bizarro around to keep Clark busy. But Bizarro in his previous form had a mind of his own and could rebel. If he would however recreate Bizarro in the classical sense, he would have a confused superbeing he can use against Clark and not have to worry about loyalty issues.

Brainiac knew that the body the phantom created for itself out of Clark's DNA could not handle the energy acquired from blue-k. But that doesn't mean the phantom who created that body can't. Bizarro is not a typical Kryptonian, so I would think the Bizarro phantom still exists in a higher energy form after sucking off the energy in the blue-k.

My main point is that the body the phantom created was flawed, not the phantom itself. Unlike that of a true Kryptonian's, his body reacted to things in the opposite sense. It was only when Clark's DNA was used to create Bizarro's body that kryptonite and sunlight affected him the way it did. When he was a phantom, such things did not bother him. Sunlight didn't since he was flying around Iguazu Falls in broad daylight. Neither did Clark's crystal. And I'm guessing blue-k wouldn't either. Since Bizarro isn't your typical Kryptonian, I don't think his phantom would die once his body dies. This could be yet another indirectly related attribute of Bizarro's vs. those of all other Kryptonians.

[All about Clark]

Originally Posted by [B
True. How would you feel if you were created, called a failure, and put in the Phantom Zone just for that? You'd want a life, which is waht Bizarro wanted all long. To be loved, to actually have a life. But he needed Kryptonian Dna to live. At first, yes, he was a bad phantom. He tried to kill Clark (so he could live his life) and in the process gained not only all of his memories, but his emotions and feelings. After a while on Mars, Bizarro probably began to miss Lana, who he'd never met, but who he'd seen in Clark's memories and snice the feelings were copied, when he returned, he began to really fall in love with her. How would you feel if your whole life, you were in prison, and after years, fianlly got out and had a chance at a normal life, and then that person came back because Bizarro wanted to get rid of his problem so he could truly live a life? That's all he ever wanted. But that's just my opinion.

Bizarro fried that guy who tried to help him (after he had Clark's body), why would you feel sorry for a killer.

The only reason he didn't kill the second time in Smallville because it would have ruined his pretending to be Clark. He fed off of Clark's loved ones to get the love he needed. He was a cheat. He was a body stealer, he was a killer. Just being in the phantom zone meant he was no good.

[borednow]

With my personal ethics it was the right thing to do, however Clark's morals are different then mine. Under the morals Clark should have, killing Bizarro would be wrong. Therefore it was the wrong thing for Clark to have done. What I think is right has nothing to do with it.

[JNottle]

Both the times Clark has almost killed is because his emotions almost got the better of him. In 6x17 it was just after the wedding so he was still let down that Lana married Lex, and in this episode he found out Lana was in bed with him and everyone didn't notice the difference between him and the phantom, I would be mad too. He also knows that he escaped from being captured the first time, so possibly the only plausable way to get rid of him for good would of been to destroy him, so he did, and technically the only person he has killed is the guy in 6x15 when he rebounded the laser thing.