View Full Version : The AlMiles Hall of Shame. Things I hated about "Persona."
Nospam
02-01-2008, 11:45 AM
Thoughts?
BadToad
02-01-2008, 11:47 AM
Bizarro's worshipful love of Lana.
No explanation for what Jor-El did.
The Grulian arc. All of it.
Iluvgreen
02-01-2008, 11:47 AM
No, not really no.
GuardianAngel
02-01-2008, 11:53 AM
The same thing that bothered me about Gemini: how could Bizarro know about Kara?
Nospam
02-01-2008, 12:00 PM
The same thing that bothered me about Gemini: how could Bizarro know about Kara?
I think the writers are assuming that Bizarro has been watching Clark. But you're right, it does not make sense on the surface.
What really pissed me off is how utterly and totally clueless Lana was this episode. It was a 180 turn from the smart, almost diabolical Lana we saw earlier this season. She was made to look like a complete idiot, and love alone cannot explain her behavior. :mad:
Kalista
02-01-2008, 12:00 PM
I hate that they couldn't think of something more original than Jor El freezing Clark in the FOS. I hate that Biz said I love you to Lana before he died and that he actually did love her. And I can't stand to see Clana kissing scenes...think I am going to hurl now.
samanta
02-01-2008, 12:13 PM
I hate that Lana didn't know she's living with total stranger, Bizzaro loved Lana and Lionel accepted Grant as his son.
GuardianAngel
02-01-2008, 12:13 PM
I think the writers are assuming that Bizarro has been watching Clark. But you're right, it does not make sense on the surface.
What really pissed me off is how utterly and totally clueless Lana was this episode. It was a 180 turn from the smart, almost diabolical Lana we saw earlier this season. She was made to look like a complete idiot, and love alone cannot explain her behavior. :mad:
The way I see it, both Clark and Lana want to see what they want - Clark sees Lana like a princess, Lana wants to see a more confident and adventurous Clark and Bizarro was like a dream coming true (+ she didn't know about the last phantom) - without realising that the other person has changed... the last scene was very clear in this respect: they were both disappointed (Clark looked at though he wanted to smash the bed or set it on fire)...
This episode proves again that a lot of talking seems to go on off-screen. It is very frustrating for the viewers and creates a lot of plotholes (Kara, CK in the ice cube...)
aqgalaxy
02-01-2008, 12:15 PM
The same thing that bothered me about Gemini: how could Bizarro know about Kara?
Lana mentioned Kara to Bizarro he came up with an excuse...
Smallvillebabe08
02-01-2008, 12:16 PM
I hated that Lana was gonna leave everything and move to Paris and she didn't believe the REAL Clark.
Nospam
02-01-2008, 12:23 PM
The way I see it, both Clark and Lana want to see what they want - Clark sees Lana like a princess, Lana wants to see a more confident and adventurous Clark and Bizarro was like a dream coming true (+ she didn't know about the last phantom) - without realising that the other person has changed... the last scene was very clear in this respect: they were both disappointed (Clark looked at though he wanted to smash the bed or set it on fire)...
Certainly that is the impression I got from the episode, but in context with Lana's behavior over the rest of the season it makes little sense. I had hoped the smarter, darker Lana would prevail all season long.
This episode proves again that a lot of talking seems to go on off-screen. It is very frustrating for the viewers and creates a lot of plotholes (Kara, CK in the ice cube...)
Indeed. It seems many key scenes all happen offscreen. :(
Kalista
02-01-2008, 12:25 PM
I wonder how many pages this thread would be if it had been started during the premier episode and updated after every episode.:lol:
ChlarkMe
02-01-2008, 12:35 PM
Clark going to Lionel for information about another Kryptonian, the one who created BRANIAC. Shouldn't Clark have realized if Lionel knew Dax-Ur was on earth and he created BRANIAC he would have told him when the whole Zod thing occurred?
berniepooh
02-01-2008, 12:38 PM
I voted for "Overall, Lana looked like a naive, clueless idiot in this episode.", but what else is NEW???? Doesn't she always? I haven't liked Lana's character since the early episodes of season 2.
Meanwhile, Chloe just gets more savvy and charismatic with each episode.
ajfinn
02-01-2008, 12:42 PM
I can't even decide what to vote for. I need the option ALL OF THE ABOVE. Hmmm, I'm trying to think of anything about this ep that was worth waiting 2 months for ....... nope, nothing comes to mind.
Maybe it's a good thing that the writers are on strike. It's time to hire some new ones anyway.
Theshadow129x
02-01-2008, 12:48 PM
I have to admit i thought lex was the best part of the show as usual. I hated how they made clark return and he was exactly the same person he always was and jor-el had no significance in what he did to clark. it was so disappointing.
CK4eva
02-01-2008, 12:49 PM
I hated the comment Lana made towards Chloe, that she was so naive as to not even notice that it wasn't Clark, she was just going to go off to Paris just like that, and that she could do it with Bizarro but not with Clark.
MetroGirl06
02-01-2008, 01:09 PM
I hated that suddenly Lana knew her way around a computer. :confused: Since when!
tinkerchere
02-01-2008, 01:10 PM
What really pissed me off is how utterly and totally clueless Lana was this episode. It was a 180 turn from the smart, almost diabolical Lana we saw earlier this season. She was made to look like a complete idiot, and love alone cannot explain her behavior. :mad:
You never know what Lana is going to do because her character was never given a real personality,she is merely a device the writers use with no thought to what has gone on before.I believe one day it will be revealed that she secretly has a multiple personality disorder that will explain the whole good/bad,sweet/evil,clark i love you/clark i don't know you.naive/evil genius ....etc ad nauseum we have been subjected too.
blackcelebration
02-01-2008, 01:13 PM
I hated the comment Lana made towards Chloe, that she was so naive as to not even notice that it wasn't Clark, she was just going to go off to Paris just like that, and that she could do it with Bizarro but not with Clark.
Well as I live in Paris I am very relieved that Lana decided to stay in Smallville:D
jimmyolsenblues
02-01-2008, 01:15 PM
(looks in thread) .oO thinks to self Oo. I loved this episode.
Nospam
02-01-2008, 01:36 PM
You never know what Lana is going to do because her character was never given a real personality,she is merely a device the writers use with no thought to what has gone on before.I believe one day it will be revealed that she secretly has a multiple personality disorder that will explain the whole good/bad,sweet/evil,clark i love you/clark i don't know you.naive/evil genius ....etc ad nauseum we have been subjected too.
Yes, I made precisely the same comment in another thread on a similar topic. The characters on this show are rarely portrayed with much consistency, with certain exceptions, and instead are simply pawns in the greater story.
Dustmite
02-01-2008, 02:03 PM
I hated everything to do with the Lex/Lionel/Grulian plot. I couldn't believe Lionel's houlier-then-thou attitude regarding Lex and what he has become. He played a part in it. We watched him play a part in it for close to four seasons and now that he's suddenly good, he's lecturing Lex. WTF?? :confused:
Lex faked a pregnancy, he cloned Lana, he cloned his brother....he killed his brother....he went ballistic in the rain. No wonder MR doesn't want to come back. :\
MR and JG scenes are normally awesome. They can pull off the most absurd lines and make them plausible. They normally play off each other brilliantly but that wasn't true in this episode. Everything seemed forced and contrived.
And to top it all off they ruined Memoria for nothing. There was no big plot reveal. Nothing. It was pointless.
Phew!! End of rant.
TheANIMAL (marcus)
02-01-2008, 02:11 PM
I'm no fan of Lana on Smallville, so this slap in her characters face was welcome to me.
DarkseidNow
02-01-2008, 02:31 PM
While the reveal that the Lionel whom Clark spoke to was actually Braniac was cool, the clarity that he remembered everything regarding Dax-Ur felt too easy and to the point. I remember Lionel saying that he no longer had a connection to Jor-El. And where was the real Lionel? Plus, given the security logs/video cameras that Lex used to spy on Grant, how is it that he didn't notice the reemergence of Milton Fine??
Even worse, what the hell was the point of keeping Clark frozen if there was no tail end to the punishment?? And why didn't Jor-El or MM mention what blue kryptonite can do to Bizarro?? This whole 'keratin based phantom' excuse reeks of AlMiles BS.
Wow. Do they even check their own show for plotholes? I could take a step in any direction and fall right through one!
Bosrudorfer
02-01-2008, 02:52 PM
I hated that Clark was saying I'm sorry and taking the blame. What a wimp, grow a pair already! How is he supposed to become the badass Superman?
That Lana couldn't tell the difference between them... ummm they wear different colored clothes #1. Clark = red, Biz = blue
Also you think she would be able to tell by the way they have sex, I'm sure Clark cries afterwards
lillie_poo_pod
02-01-2008, 02:53 PM
I hated Lana period. This episode just highlighted why I hate her.
I hated Bizana.
I hated everything about the crappy Grulian plot. I even hated a Lex/Lionel scene, for the 1st time ever!
I hated Lex out in the rain. The only reason I didn't cringe at how ridiculous it looked was because I was too busy laughing at it. Seriously, I was rolling.
Lionel... I was my MB back, this Lionel has got to go. I hate it. So so much. :(
TheANIMAL (marcus)
02-01-2008, 02:55 PM
Also you think she would be able to tell by the way they have sex, I'm sure Clark cries afterwards
:lol:
dru-zod2501
02-01-2008, 03:18 PM
The Luthors stole this episode far and away, but I still felt it was kinda lame overall.
Jesus... who the hell wrote the script? the worst dialogue in any episode in my memory, and I can forgive A LOT! of dialogue issues. Let striking writers lie, hire fresh guys who have... i dunno talent and insight?
That's it??? Jor-El locked Clark up for what???? no training, no education, just ice?? the best cliffhanger and they had to go and waste it.....:mad: This better damn well not be the end; Clark and Jor-El haven't had a good relationship but this was going way too far! I need to see more "consequences of the consequences" if you get my meaning.
Chloë is a goddess, I love her so much, and to all my Chlarkers out there... She's way too good for him. There I said it *tears*
I like good Lionel he provides the necessary contrast to the darkening Lex, but why would he be so open to Grulian so quickly?? I think he's been around Clark way too much, that farm hick naïvetè is starting to rub off. Having said that... It was great seeing Julian have a real family, at least for an episode. IDK who to feel more sorry for Lionel or Julian.
Finally I have to admit, this episode did in fact make me a Clana hater, or something very close to it. It's undeniable she's a villain magnet and to make it worse she's an idiot. I can't say how close Clanarro became over that month but it finally FINALLY!! dawned on me Clana is an immature relationship.
minerva73
02-01-2008, 03:27 PM
Certainly that is the impression I got from the episode, but in context with Lana's behavior over the rest of the season it makes little sense. I had hoped the smarter, darker Lana would prevail all season long.
Yeah, I thought that Lana would have at least thought some things through. I understand that all of the pain from the weeks before Bizarro came might have clouded her memory, but still she should have some judgment.
Jor-El was the worst part IMO. It's like he's completely oblivious to everything that happened. He was able to see when other stuff happened in Smallville, but couldn't see that a Phantom was on the loose? And he just let Clark go without giving him a warning for the future? :confused: Everything else was great in the episode except the Jor-El parts when I look at it.
Superman of Krypton
02-01-2008, 03:31 PM
Bizzana Sex took the episode several points for me. It was unnecessary.
Al/Miles just put it in there to juice things up but it make Lana come off like a total tool (moreso than usual).
Hopefully that alien creature didnt leave it's seed in Lana.
I can't imagine condoms or birth control working on a Phantom, so its possible :|
Nospam
02-01-2008, 03:50 PM
Also you think she would be able to tell by the way they have sex, I'm sure Clark cries afterwards
I know that if I had to have sex with Lana I would cry as well.
:p
minerva73
02-01-2008, 03:53 PM
Bizzana Sex took the episode several points for me. It was unnecessary.
Al/Miles just put it in there to juice things up but it make Lana come off like a total tool (moreso than usual).
Hopefully that alien creature didnt leave it's seed in Lana.
I can't imagine condoms or birth control working on a Phantom, so its possible :|
:lol: Hopefully Lana's baby-free... I wouldn't wanna see her pregnant...again. With Lex it was kinda bad and with someone who Clark hates more than Lex will just leave Lana on the side of the road trying to tend for her baby.
I'm guessing that it might work seeing as how he was in human/Kryptonian form like Clark. :\ It worked during Clana super sex...
maryjanewatson
02-01-2008, 04:27 PM
Bizzaro can have sex with lana, but clark can't. what really bugged me about that is that Lana didn't question it. She just wants sex so bad, that she would just jump clark the moment he said, "uh yeah, I was wrong. I won't cause you to implode."
minerva73
02-01-2008, 04:33 PM
Bizzaro can have sex with lana, but clark can't. what really bugged me about that is that Lana didn't question it. She just wants sex so bad, that she would just jump clark the moment he said, "uh yeah, I was wrong. I won't cause you to implode."
Clark never said he couldn't. Sure there was that moment in "Wrath" with Chloe, but it's fear that's holding him back from trying. In "Fanatic", there was a Chlark scene that talked about Clark being scared that he might get too excited and hurt Lana if they have sex.
Maybe Lana was just too absorbed in the fact that she actually got some kind of affection from "Clark" since her self-esteem has been lowered for the past 2 episodes.
shadoo
02-01-2008, 04:48 PM
Lana's in love ya'll, People in love are usually From Low to Average Intelligence. Stupidity comes with the merger of twig and berries and round roses berries.
TKFlash
02-01-2008, 05:03 PM
Lana looked really stupid trying to use computers. I'm not saying that no one else can use computers, but she lookes like she is trying to overstep Chloe and made herself look stupid.
Didn't like the fact that grant dies,or moreover, that Lex kiiled him. Lex looked really stupid and insecure doing something like that. He is a grown man, he needs to learn how to control feelings like that. If he wants to have a relationship with his dad, stop being so evil and repent or something.
Dax-Ur was cool, but I really didn't like the fact that he kept blue K on. I would have slapped it on, had my babies, and took it right back off. If his wife really loved him, she would accept that he was an alien (if she doesn't already know). I didn't like the fact that he is dead too, he could have really helped out and died later on in the season.
Didn't like the fact that Bizarro went out like a punk. i believe there should have been a fight and then they could have did the blue k thing. maybe he didn't have to die immediately, just have a goo 10 minute fight (kicking the crap out of Clark of course) and then die.
Loved that Brainiac came back, but didn't like the condition he came back in. Didn't like the fact that he has to resort to sucking trace metals out of rodents and people, like he needs them to survive. He isn't at the power he once was and that really sucks because he should have took that from Bizarro. there was a time were he could have took Bizarro and Clark head on because he was more powerful than both of them and way smarter. Hope he is his old self soon.
blackcelebration
02-01-2008, 05:26 PM
How about Clark killing??? I'll rephrase... supporting the killing of Bizzaro!!!
OK I know Bizzaro was bad but couldn't Clark (Who by the way could be Superman some day well perhaps a century or two the way Smallville does things) have at least considered other options before exposing him to Blue K!!!:\
Also it was disapointing that Bizzaro ended up being another Lana obsessed FOTW especially with his All changed when I met you blah blah blah!!!:rolleyes:
Jor-El & J'onn for not knowing Bizzaro had escaped I mean what the...?:\
Lionel for being evil one minute then good the next, it was cool in season 4 but now it's SEASON 7!!!!:mad:
The moment Clark came back things went down hill. Hell I was rooting for Lana too run off with Bizzaro because now he's supposedly gone (I hope he isn't) we've got to put up with Clana drooling :(
I mean wouldn't it had been more cool had Lana run off with Bizzaro & err never came back!!!:p
Plus we all know how Clana will end;)
xrayvision
02-01-2008, 05:42 PM
My complaints are:
1. The explanation of who trapped Clark in the FOS. Jor-El trapping him was the dumbest thing ever done. Jor-El is as stupid as Clark if he didn't know Bizarro returned after that eclipse. He is a maniac who held back the only one who could stop Bizarro if he went on a murdering rampage, which could have easily happened.
2. The failure to explain how Brainiac was created and what role Dax-Ur had and the role Jor-El had.
3. Bizarro's pathetic pining for Lana.
Dustmite
02-01-2008, 05:46 PM
Stupidity comes with the merger of twig and berries and round roses berries.
OMG :lol: I'll never be able to look at a berry in the same way
Jor-El trapping him was the dumbest thing ever done
I totally forgot to complain about this. What exactly was the point of it? If you've got him there at least start the training or teach him about Krypton but don't just trap him in a block of ice to be pissy.
Mr.Magic
02-01-2008, 08:27 PM
Jesus... who the hell wrote the script? the worst dialogue in any episode in my memory, and I can forgive A LOT! of dialogue issues. Let striking writers lie, hire fresh guys who have... i dunno talent and insight?
That would be a near impossible task. Talented writers seem to avoid AlMiles like the plague. Mabe that's because they destroy perfectly fine episodes/scripts with teen soap drama dreck.
The sooner it ends the better. I want a new mature Superman show. More investigating (from the ace reporter-team), problem-solving (how to defeat the villain/protect the people) and smart heroics (no "Superman smash"). Maybe even be ballsy, put it in the future and give L&C a teenage kid with blooming powers.
Hopefully that alien creature didnt leave it's seed in Lana.
I am sure it did leave it's seed. Maybe we'll be lucky and she'll blow up. Now I've got to get Species 2 out of my mind...
Theshadow129x
02-01-2008, 11:27 PM
My complaints are:
1. The explanation of who trapped Clark in the FOS. Jor-El trapping him was the dumbest thing ever done. Jor-El is as stupid as Clark if he didn't know Bizarro returned after that eclipse. He is a maniac who held back the only one who could stop Bizarro if he went on a murdering rampage, which could have easily happened.
2. The failure to explain how Brainiac was created and what role Dax-Ur had and the role Jor-El had.
3. Bizarro's pathetic pining for Lana.
Isnt that the truth? Bizarro is the exact opposite of Clark, for him to return and just want to be with Lana is a huge inconsistency, He should have gone on a murdering rampage thinking it was his way to save people because well its backwards and thats Bizarro.
I problem I had too was the fact that Jor-el trapped Clark and it didnt have any true significance to it at all. He just released him and that was that.
Also, ign said in their review that there was so much potential in this episode for Clark and Bizarro and Brainiac to have a big throw down bu they wasted that idea by just wanting Bizarro to stop his face from distorting in the sunlight.
So much potential this show has but they continue to shove this crap down our throats about Lana and its really annoying. It could have been a classic but it wasnt.
smallvillerocks45
02-02-2008, 12:00 AM
I couldn't help but be a bit thrown off by Bizarro saying that he can read Clark's mind. Was he just lying, or can he really do it? If he truly can, 1) why couldn't he read Clark's mind -or sense it- from the fortress, and 2) why isn't the "real" Clark able to read Bizarro's mind too?
Theshadow129x
02-02-2008, 12:25 AM
he didnt read his mind, he has all of clarks memories and thoughts before they seperated at the of end last season. he knows clark only likes the image of lana and not actually all of her. clark wont admit it to himself though
maryjanewatson
02-02-2008, 12:27 AM
I problem I had too was the fact that Jor-el trapped Clark and it didnt have any true significance to it at all. He just released him and that was that.
Jor-el put Clark in a super-time-out for disobeying him. Since when has a time-out ever had any significance? As a child, I found them pretty pointless. lol. ;)
Mr. Clark Kent27
02-02-2008, 12:54 AM
Lana being stupid and like,"okay, leave Smallville. We'll live in Paris!"
haltoe
02-02-2008, 07:13 AM
I missed nearly all of Persona and from what I see of the threads that was a good idea. All I saw was the intorduction that shows the cast of characters. I see Laura Vandervoort is supposed to be one of the regulars. Shouldn't a regular be on more than once every 3 months?
Well I see from the threads that another good character, Grant, was killed off. That' s typical of this year. After ruining the Kara character by turning her into a helpless amnesiac, the writers wiped out another promising character. Grant might have been very good as a new Millenium Perry White but instead the writers gave us the ridiculous Luthor connection and then killed him off. Don't these writers have any idea of character development? They bring up characters and then they ruin them. Kara was fascinating as a developing supergirl but no fun as a helpless amnesiac. It's incredibly frustrating to see this kind of horrible storyline. What is wrong with these writers?
kryptonaidxh
02-02-2008, 08:32 AM
I think the writers are assuming that Bizarro has been watching Clark. But you're right, it does not make sense on the surface.
What really pissed me off is how utterly and totally clueless Lana was this episode. It was a 180 turn from the smart, almost diabolical Lana we saw earlier this season. She was made to look like a complete idiot, and love alone cannot explain her behavior. :mad:
when has Lana been smart?:\, she always has been an idiot, also being dark end evil, I wasn´t surprised that she and Bizarro matched perfectely, both have the same evilness, the same black soul, the same dark nature, of course they fixed each other.
InLove_with_Chloe
02-02-2008, 08:54 AM
Impossible to choose.
:lol:
Cromartiefan
02-02-2008, 09:10 AM
Pretty much all the Lana stuff, and Grant dying - that had so much potential, and now it's gone. still, this should lead to open war among the Luthors
Superman of Krypton
02-02-2008, 09:13 AM
:lol: Hopefully Lana's baby-free... I wouldn't wanna see her pregnant...again. With Lex it was kinda bad and with someone who Clark hates more than Lex will just leave Lana on the side of the road trying to tend for her baby.
I'm guessing that it might work seeing as how he was in human/Kryptonian form like Clark. :\ It worked during Clana super sex...
Ya but in Clana Supersex they both had powers.
Them having unprotected sex is another thing to add to Lana's list of dumb ideas.
jazel
02-02-2008, 10:57 AM
my vote Grant dying, not sure what to make of that story arc.
SV'S_immortal_hero
02-02-2008, 12:22 PM
what i hated was that for a guy that doesnt forget things he sure forgot that lionel didnt mention using blue-k in "phantom" infact clark clearly seen lionel using green-k in "phantom" thinking if it could kill clark it would kill bizarro
supert
02-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Bizarro knew Kara from his time on krypton. Than Lana mentioned her to Bizarro in the last episode.
litew8
02-02-2008, 12:39 PM
I hate seeing Clark go to Lionel and saying "Got any ideas? You're Jor-El's adversary." I don't recall Clark ever willingly going to the FOS or Jor-El AI and asking for help so willingly and openedly. If he had, then perhaps he would have actually started to take Jor-El's advice. There seems to be a big contradiction in Clark's actions. What a flaw.
ClowRegulus
02-02-2008, 06:54 PM
I just hate this episode >_< . Too much heartache
Nospam
02-02-2008, 06:59 PM
I hate seeing Clark go to Lionel and saying "Got any ideas? You're Jor-El's adversary." I don't recall Clark ever willingly going to the FOS or Jor-El AI and asking for help so willingly and openedly. If he had, then perhaps he would have actually started to take Jor-El's advice. There seems to be a big contradiction in Clark's actions. What a flaw.
Yeah, I didn't like that either.
RedKRules
02-02-2008, 07:07 PM
I checked up all the boxes!! but Lex bizarre moment was really creepy ..... I thought that was too much drama !!
6-Super-Man -5
02-03-2008, 12:29 AM
Well for me it was Bizarro dying, but from your list, Grant dies and so does another totally pointless story arc on this show.
dru-zod2501
02-03-2008, 02:28 AM
I couldn't help but be a bit thrown off by Bizarro saying that he can read Clark's mind. Was he just lying, or can he really do it? If he truly can, 1) why couldn't he read Clark's mind -or sense it- from the fortress, and 2) why isn't the "real" Clark able to read Bizarro's mind too?
he didn't say he could read Clark's mind, he said he Knew what was in his mind, since they have all the same memories, and most of the same feelings
Darkcook
02-03-2008, 03:26 PM
I hated Bizarro's death, if it's really the case... I'll miss him as much as Kellerman in Prison Break, lol.
redraven
02-03-2008, 04:35 PM
Lana's "scornful" comment to Chloe
Are you serious? Everyone's up in arms about Lana saying "Maybe you should let go a little" OMFG call the police she called Chloe out on something! :eek: But then Chloe's petty comment about how she was 'In Clark's inner circle first', was a low hit on Lana and was equally as messed up to say, but no one cares about that because CHLOE said it. CHLOE! OMG!
Nospam
02-03-2008, 04:43 PM
Lana's "scornful" comment to Chloe
Are you serious? Everyone's up in arms about Lana saying "Maybe you should let go a little" OMFG call the police she called Chloe out on something! :eek: But then Chloe's petty comment about how she was 'In Clark's inner circle first', was a low hit on Lana and was equally as messed up to say, but no one cares about that because CHLOE said it. CHLOE! OMG!
The point being that Lana completely dismissed Chloe's comment out of hand without even a second of consideration. How many times has Chloe been proven correct? How many times has she helped those she cares about? How many times has she risked her own life? How many times has her insight saved the lives of others? Lana's dismissive attitude towards Chloe was nothing more than pure hubris.
Welling_is_pretty
02-03-2008, 05:51 PM
The only problems I had with Persona were--
1.) the Lex rain/scream scene. WTF?!
and 2.) Lana talking down to Chloe. (how many times does Chloe have to be right for Lana to buy a clue?)
redraven
02-03-2008, 05:54 PM
The point being that Lana completely dismissed Chloe's comment out of hand without even a second of consideration. How many times has Chloe been proven correct? How many times has she helped those she cares about? How many times has she risked her own life? How many times has her insight saved the lives of others? Lana's dismissive attitude towards Chloe was nothing more than pure hubris.
Okay, I see your point. But if I was Lana, I'd be dismissive towards Chloe too after the wonderful little speech she gave in Wrath; but hey, that's just me. :\
Nospam
02-03-2008, 06:12 PM
Okay, I see your point. But if I was Lana, I'd be dismissive towards Chloe too after the wonderful little speech she gave in Wrath; but hey, that's just me. :\
I will admit that Chloe could have tried a tiny bit harder to convince Lana, but Clark interrupted. Still, Chloe holds the moral high ground here as Lana has been reckless if not criminal with her actions this season and Chloe's response is warranted.
redraven
02-03-2008, 07:16 PM
The moral high ground? Maybe. But at the same time, Lana's proven where her loyalties lie, and that is the exact reason that I think she was so defensive and unbelieving (not sure if that's even a proper word, lol) of Chloe.
SonofZod
02-04-2008, 01:48 AM
I want to choose all of them. This ep sucked
I think some of your suggestions for things to hate about the episode were actually more like the point of the episode:
It was ridiculous that Lana would not acknowledge Clark's personality change - Exactly! they're showing us why Clark and Lana aren't meant for each other. Lana doesn't really know Clark, and seems a lot more attracted to Bizarro's personality. If you ask me, Clark is the person she wants to believe she loves, but she's actually a lot more attracted to the Bizarro-Lex types.
Overall, Lana looked like a naive, clueless idiot in this episode - I guess that what happens when you try to convince yourself you're in love with someone, when it's obvious you're more attracted to "bad boys"...
Lionel seemed to completely accept Grant as his son - Lionel keeps a close watch on Lex, so he probably found out about this little expirament at some point. Even if he didn't, I bet he checked Grant's story at once upon hearing it. Once it checked out, he probably decided not to make the same mistake twice and tried to be a good father to CloneJulian.
So Bizarro can have sex with Lana but Clark cannot? WTF? - Clark is afraid he might hurt Lana in the heat of the moment. Knowing his story, we know he wouldn't (his future marriage with Lois...), but his concern for other people is what makes him who he is. Bizarro, on the other hand, doesn't care that much and therefore has nothing to hold him back.
Grant dies and so does another totally pointless story arc on this show - It wasn't so pointless. It shows us just how evil Lex is becoming, and it does it loud and clear.
Lex had no one who loved him, so he went and created one, trying to play God. When it doesn't work out, he just has him killed, showing how much he didn't really care about his own creation. How can he expect anyone to love him, when he shows so little concern for anyone other than himself?
The bizarre scene with Lex screaming into the rain - He was just frustrated that he had once again failed to make someone love him.
I actually liked that scene, because it made me think about the vision of him standing in that field, and all the flowers around him dying and then rain started to fall on him, but there were drops of blood mixed with the water. And here was Lex, standing in the rain, with his brother's blood on his hands.
Was I really the only one to think about that?
Lana was totally OK with just pulling up stakes and moving to Paris - I don't think she was. Didn't anyone see her face when Clark told Chloe? She looked troubled.
Darkcook
02-04-2008, 01:32 PM
I actually liked that scene, because it made me think about the vision of him standing in that field, and all the flowers around him dying and then rain started to fall on him, but there were drops of blood mixed with the water. And here was Lex, standing in the rain, with his brother's blood on his hands.
Was I really the only one to think about that?
No, you're not the only one. I think it was a reference to both "Memoria" and "Hourglass".
jazel
02-04-2008, 04:08 PM
Hated that Grant/Julian had to die, shipping him off to
London, seemed punishment enough.lol
Seems the talk, about Lex being anti-evilLex, was bull. Aren't
they tired of "rehashing" the same bull, at SV ? lol
kasealaine
02-04-2008, 08:04 PM
So so so so so so definitely a reference to Memoria. I thought of that immediately. It's one of my all time favorite episodes.
I love Chloe, but I was a little taken aback by the "inner circle" comment. Although... that's really nothing compared to the fact that Lana just blatantly ignored her concern and two seconds after Biz walked in the door spilled her guts about what Chloe had said. I really thought that she might have killed Chloe right then.
borednow
02-05-2008, 12:26 AM
Where were Lana's blueberry pancakes? Where?
diinIN
02-05-2008, 09:17 AM
As far as I'm concerned, there is no AlMiles hall of shame. This episode was top notch, and Smallville is by far the best show on TV, challenged only by Supernatural. My ONLY complaint is that they killed off Bizarro. I loved all the shows he was in, and thoroughly enjoyed watching Tom act as Biz. I'll miss that.
Indy88
02-05-2008, 09:59 AM
I only marked two because the title said (hate)
Lana's scornful comments to Chloe. She sounded like a witch.
Killing Julian/Grant and stopping dead in its tracks this story.
I also find it hard to believe Lionel would accept this stranger as his "son."
Other comments about this episode:
I actually liked the Bizana relationship.
Lana should have had a clue (Bizarro) it looks bad that she had NONE.
Lana DID look naive until the end confrontation part of the episode.
Lex screaming into the rain, to me was like he was saying, another plan for a family just blew up in my face.
IDK why Bizarro and Lana can have sex. (if they did, was that made clear?)
If they did, maybe Bizarro has more control/knowledge than Clark?
I don't fault Lana for being o.k. with pulling up stakes and moving to Paris. She thought she and Clark were finally getting their dream life.
lastdaughterofkrypton
02-05-2008, 10:13 AM
I think the killing of Grulian was what I hated the must there is not point on his brief arc and who wanna bet next week no one will even remember he was on the show...Stupid useless character....They should had used to money to get a continuity writer, that is what this show needs!
I'm rewatching Person right now, I noticed something I didn't pick up on when I first watched. When Clark is talking to Dax-Ur, Clark asks Dax how he can have a family, and Dax says, "Blue Kryptonite." Well...How would Dax know to call it that?
jazel
03-06-2008, 09:58 PM
After watching Persona, again, I came away with two things.....
Lana and CK, have NO business, being together. Wouldn't be surprised, IF Lana actually takes off with Lex....when all is said, and done. He "understands" me Clark.:p
The "pair" seem to force things, even the Biz/Lana kisses, weren't all that hot. Love, normally doesn't equate to so much pain, and discomfort. Something we've seen, since Lana's carefully planned unexpected return.
The second thing ? No matter how much Chloe may deny it, Clark Kent is her world. The "attitude" she had when she heard they were leaving Smallville......screamed "what about me ?". Sorry, BUT that is why I love Lois, her world "revolves" around nobody, other than herself...as a young fem in my 20's, that's how it should be.;)
alejandrita439
08-07-2008, 08:35 PM
Lana's scornful comment to Chloe :&
Blazel
08-07-2008, 08:48 PM
Lana's scornful comment to Chloe :&
refresh my memory please? :D
Twitch
08-07-2008, 08:59 PM
refresh my memory please? :D
Lana: "Chloe, maybe it's time for you to let go of him a little." (about Clark)
At least I think that's what it is...
Blazel
08-07-2008, 09:02 PM
what epi was that from??
Twitch
08-07-2008, 09:10 PM
Persona :)
alejandrita439
01-03-2009, 08:10 PM
i would have like that lois was in this episode..
you now.. in ¨Bizarro¨ she thinks that bizarro was clark...
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