Lex Luthor is finally here!!

[xrayvision]

Finally, the maniac I have been waiting for all this time is here. There is no question he has what it takes to kill Lionel now. Killing Grant like that was sick. What an awesome scene.

[Bizarro345]

Yeah that was sweet.

[GhostRaider]

Agreed this was the "over the hump" point for Lex.

I can't wait to see how Lionel reacts to this. He has to know it was Lex because that just wasn't your average mugging. I mean the robber just kept plugging away at Julian/Grant with that gun until it was a forgone conclusion that Grant/Julian wouldn't survive and then without a second thought lets Lionel live and walks away.

[MetroGirl06]

Lionel. Its time for some good old-fashioned spanking for ya' boy. :p Great scene. Lex needed to grow a pair. Hes finally becoming an evil bastard. YAY!

[SVfan4ever]

Awesome scene indeed. I could not believe he did that. EvilLex is here.

[erikamichelle614]

at first, when the guy took the wallet, i was like, oh. hes getting mugged.. but then, i was like, "lex!" ahh i knew it.

i was talking to my friend and said something to the effect of...
"remember in the first season when you would think that lex couldn't be bad? Well here it is, baby."

[niki]

My Mom hasn't watched Smallville with me since about season 3.
So she watched tonight's episode with me and went, "Wow, when did Lex get so bad ... what's the word? Badass. Yes, when did he get so badass?"

I couldn't have said it better myself!

During the part when Julian/Grant was going on about how many times he's been married, I kind of had a mental flashback and thought of Lex as a character during each one of those marriages. He's truly a changed character, it's awesome how much he's progressed.

[Saber]

Oh he went super evil low this time, I loved it. I also like the last scene it was almost like he wanted to wash his sin away with the rain and scream it out of his conscience.
Evil =Lex

[Ginx]

I really hope that Lex can keep on this track - I mean, so many times has he tredded close to going over the edge and being the LEX LUTHOR but has come back and been all emotional and repenting...... if he can just keep being evil..... or get more evil and get a little bit of smug and more arrogance going on - lol...... then we'll have the perfect villian..... wonder what will happen at the end of this season........

[xrayvision]

Lex is a sick bastard. Very very sick. And I love it!!

It will be interesting to see how Lionel handles it. He was given his dead son back only to have him taken away merely a day or two after. I expect some very emotional Luthor scene coming up.

[kszonew]

Lex might regret not having Lionel shot alongside Grant. Lionel won't be at all happy to find out his son was involved.

[RedKalEL]

jsut when i finnally started liking grant/julian too. oh well but yes evil lex i was hoping when he screamed that he was gonna scream julian like in memoria

[minerva73]

That was perfect. I love how evil Lex has become now. The interaction between Lionel and Lex will be interesting, but I wonder how Lex is going to cover up the murder of Grant. Lois might wanna do some digging in "Siren" since they were in a relationship and Lionel would gladly do anything for his new son.

[xrayvision]

Yeah, the scream definitely reminded me of Memoria as I watched it. It shows how far Lex has come. An innocent child Lex screaming in the rain, and a guilty as hell Lex screaming in the rain. And both were Julian-related.

[ClarksGal]

Finally, the maniac I have been waiting for all this time is here. There is no question he has what it takes to kill Lionel now. Killing Grant like that was sick. What an awesome scene.

To the new MB: Welcome. :)

[WickedJenn]

I agree xray, Lex has come full circle now.

Something's bugging at the same time however. Did Lex REALLY had Grant killed, or did they just want us to THINK he did? I don't know why I feel like it's a sham...

[ClarksGal]

jsut when i finnally started liking grant/julian too. oh well but yes evil lex i was hoping when he screamed that he was gonna scream julian like in memoria


Me too! When he went out on the balcony like that, it totally reminded me of memoria!!!!!!!

[xrayvision]

He did. The cellphone had a test message saying "The job is done".

----- Added 54 Seconds later -----


To the new MB: Welcome. :)

New MB (ala Lionel at the end of Covenant): Thank you.

[superspider02]

Yea that scece was prety intense. Only thing that would have been better is if lex was the one who murder julian/grant. He is fully being taken to the dark side now.

[WickedJenn]

He did. The cellphone had a test message saying "The job is done".

Yeah I know, I think I'm just thinking of surprises because of "Gemini".

[minerva73]

Yea that scece was prety intense. Only thing that would have been better is if lex was the one who murder julian/grant. He is fully being taken to the dark side now.

Yeah, that would have been pretty neat. I actually thought that Lex put on the mask and wore some fake hair (like the beard that the mugger had) and went to shoot him, but having someone else do it also makes sure that Lex's name can't be charged for the murder.

[SpiritedDiva]

Yeah, that scene gave me chills. The darkness has nearly developed him entirely.

[xrayvision]

Yea that scece was prety intense. Only thing that would have been better is if lex was the one who murder julian/grant. He is fully being taken to the dark side now.

I'm sure they're saving Lionel for the murder by Lex's own hands.

[svtwamedfan05]

He is definitely the Lex Luthor we know so well, now. No doubt about that. Definitely when Lex kills Lionel that will be the thing that seals his dark fate.

[Batman/Superman#1]

so does Lex think Lional was killed too?

[ClarksGal]

I'm sure they're saving Lionel for the murder by Lex's own hands.


I agree, and I think that's totally suitable.

[xrayvision]

so does Lex think Lional was killed too?

No. The order was to kill Grant only. I wonder if he knew Lionel was with him. Maybe Lionel & Grant spent more time together than Lex thought, meaning that Lionel wasn't meant to be with Grant when the thug killed him.

[WickedJenn]

Didn't GG tell Lex before he left the DP that he and Lionel were going to dinner? I'm pretty sure he did. So Lex would've known Lionel would be with him.

[xrayvision]

I could just imagine Lex creating another Grant to make Lionel look like a lunatic just like Lionel did to him in Shattered. But I doubt this will happen.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----


Didn't GG tell Lex before he left the DP that he and Lionel were going to dinner? I'm pretty sure he did. So Lex would've known Lionel would be with him.

Yeah, he did. But what I'm saying is that Lionel & Grant could have been out later than Lex expected. He could have told the thug to kill Grant any way he could, not knowing that Lionel would still be with Grant when the job was done. Maybe he was expecting the thug to kill him just as he went home.

[kszonew]

I have a feeling Lex wanted the thief to kill Grant in front of Lionel, as a way of making his father feel the same loss he felt when his plan to create a source of unconditional love backfired. Lex didn't want Grant to go to Lionel because Lex knew his father would welcome Grant as a "son", and that is exactly what Lex didn't want to happen.

[Pirate515]

Yeah, that would have been pretty neat. I actually thought that Lex put on the mask and wore some fake hair (like the beard that the mugger had) and went to shoot him, but having someone else do it also makes sure that Lex's name can't be charged for the murder.I don't think it was that. Besides, just because one hires someone else to do their dirty work doesn't mean that the crime can't be traced back to them. I agree with several others who said that they are saving Lionel to be murdered by Lex's own hands. While right now Lex is well on his way to the dark side, he's not 100% there yet (although he is very close) and doesn't yet have the balls to murder his own flesh and blood. Notice how Lex did feel some guilt over what he has done (dropped the phone and then screamed in the rain), to him killing Grant/Julian was a difficult thing to do, but something that had to be done. As Lex gets closer to the dark side, he will grow a pair that will enable him to kill anyone with his own hands (including his family) and that guilt will disappear as well. Something tells me that if/when he murders Lionel, he will do it with no remorse or pity whatsoever (maybe even with a big smile on his face).

[Eeyore840]

All that is needed now is for Lex to kill his father and become the iconic evil character we all know and love (or love to hate).

[minerva73]

I have a feeling Lex wanted the thief to kill Grant in front of Lionel, as a way of making his father feel the same loss he felt when his plan to create a source of unconditional love backfired. Lex didn't want Grant to go to Lionel because Lex knew his father would welcome Grant as a "son", and that is exactly what Lex didn't want to happen.

I'm thinking the exact same thing. Did Lex ever tell Grant to stay away from Lionel on screen, though?


I don't think it was that. Besides, just because one hires someone else to do their dirty work doesn't mean that the crime can't be traced back to them.

There is always the Luthor sleight of hand. They did manage to get some guy who was dying of cancer to say that he was the one who "killed" Lana, so who's to say that Lex can't do it for one of his hitmen?

[kszonew]

All that is needed now is for Lex to kill his father and become the iconic evil character we all know and love (or love to hate).

Would killing Lionel really make him evil though? When you consider some of the things Lionel did to his son early on, like the memory wipe, Lionel's death at Lex's hands would almost be justice in many people's eyes. Of course, Lionel has tried to redeem himself lately, but I think there has to be something more drastic - maybe a choice he has to make that could actually redeem him, and he doesn't make it and thus proves he is beyond redemption. It wouldn't also be that bad if in this version of the saga, Lex isn't really all evil, but very flawed and messed up, someone who thinks he is doing right when he isn't.

[Eeyore840]

I think killing the person who sired you is an evil act, even if one's parent has done terrible, evil things. I think that ever since Lionel and Clark exchanged bodies in season 4(?), Lionel has been portrayed as a "good" character. I agree that he has done some terrible things to his own son. I think that in his own flawed and twisted way, Lionel has tried to make amends for his past behavior toward Lex by being a father figure to Clark. I don't agree that this tactic makes Lionel a good person, but I think that is the way his character is written on Smallville. I think this is a great disservice to Lex, however. And Lex is a very flawed, messed up person, no doubt from the abuse he suffers at the hands of Lionel. But I think that killing Lionel would make him worse than his father. JMHO.

[xrayvision]

It wouldn't also be that bad if in this version of the saga, Lex isn't really all evil, but very flawed and messed up, someone who thinks he is doing right when he isn't.

Well, that's what the comics version of Lex is like. But even though he doesn't think of himself as evil, he is.

[Who]

Lex is the son Lionel created and always wanted. I don't know why Lionel ever takes responsibility for this. You would think Lionel would be overjoyed.

[MozartRequiem]

"Lex is the son Lionel created and always wanted. I don't know why Lionel ever takes responsibility for this. You would think Lionel would be overjoyed."

Agreed, at least back when Lionel was evil. Remember back in "Onyx", Lionel said, "You've finally proved to be the son I've always wanted," and seemed proud the rest of season four about Lex's transformation to ruthlessness. But I have this theory that, going into season five, Lionel started to feel a sense of sorrow for his son. By this point, Lionel's been both bad and good, and he realizes that being good is more rewarding in the end, so he wants to save Lex in a way. Lionel's dark nature would make him proud of how Lex is becoming, but Lionel now has a sense of goodness as well, an awakening, and this makes him more disgusted with Lex's behavior than anything. Lex is a reflection of the man Lionel used to be, and that makes him really dismayed now, although in the past it would've made him proud.

Again, it's a Luthor tragedy. Lex always wanted Lionel's love. Lex thought becoming more ruthless would maybe garner some respect from Lionel, but instead, it brings the opposite, disdain. Lex can never win, and neither can Lionel, because the two are yin and yang, but a very fatal yin and yang, a kind that don't complement each other, but just keep clashing. When one is good, the other is evil, and vice versa.

[ClareKent]

I loved that Lex's final scene, it reminded me back in S3 when Lana found Lex out in the rain screaming for Julian's name, now he got it and killed him, just terrific.

[WickedJenn]

I have a feeling Lex wanted the thief to kill Grant in front of Lionel, as a way of making his father feel the same loss he felt when his plan to create a source of unconditional love backfired. Lex didn't want Grant to go to Lionel because Lex knew his father would welcome Grant as a "son", and that is exactly what Lex didn't want to happen.

I totally agree with that. I got the same feeling (re: the bolded statement) when I saw that scene.

[Alexander III]

My baby Lex is finally walking through the gate of hell! I'm so happy for him!

[Mello Penelo]

Finally, the maniac I have been waiting for all this time is here.

But he isn't morbidly obese yet. :lol:

[litew8]

But Lex Luthor is suppose to be an evil genius. Killing people doesn't equate that. I don't like them concentrating on him killing people. I don't think that's Lex Luthor's legacy, is it? A murderer?

[Superchica1203]

But Lex Luthor is suppose to be an evil genius. Killing people doesn't equate that. I don't like them concentrating on him killing people. I don't think that's Lex Luthor's legacy, is it? A murderer?


Your right its not, but the fact that he is able to "fix" a problem (ie Julian) is. He does not care about anyone or anything else other than himself.

I love this Luthor. Love to hate him for being such an A....
Of all the characters in SV i think that the his development and progression has been on point. I cant wait to see what else he will do....

[Tottally ~ Free]

I loved that scene. I was like whoa when he was playing pool whilst waiting for 'THE CALL'

and the music went so gr8 with it all.

yay, lex You get down with ya bad self

[Mello Penelo]

But Lex Luthor is suppose to be an evil genius. Killing people doesn't equate that. I don't like them concentrating on him killing people. I don't think that's Lex Luthor's legacy, is it? A murderer?

Exactly. Lex Luthor =/= Joe Chill

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Does anyone think he and Brainiac are going to meet up?

[LovelyLoisLane]

I thought Lex had sad moments in this episode.

Especially with his father.

Lex - Are you saying you wouldn't want to see Julian again? Look into the eyes of the son you lost.

Lionel - It's you I've lost. *sad* It's YOU I've lost.

That was so sad. Lex thought the only son Lionel ever cared about was Julian, but it wasn't. It was him. That almost made me cry. Then how he killed his cloned brother and yet was still upset about it.

Lex is so damaged now. I like that he's embraced the darkside, but it's still sad.

[Chesay]

Didn't you feel it was a bit heavy-handed for Lex? He has always been so suave at side-stepping such thug-like tactics and certainly is intellectually capable of a more subtle approach don't you think? I would have preferred for him to have tried several other options before being so desperate. After all, Lionel didn't even have a chance to prefer Julian over Lex, which to me was the crux of the matter. If they had had Lex treat it like he thought a clone wasn't actually human or something, I'd have believed it more. Julian didn't come across as that much of a threat, at least not from what I saw to date. Now what would be interesting would be if Lionel managed to re-clone Julian seeing as how the technology has been perfected. That would be a clash of the titans for real. It is always good when Lionel and Lex are jockeying for supreme control.

[MozartRequiem]

"I thought Lex had sad moments in this episode.

Especially with his father.

Lex - Are you saying you wouldn't want to see Julian again? Look into the eyes of the son you lost.

Lionel - It's you I've lost. *sad* It's YOU I've lost.

That was so sad. Lex thought the only son Lionel ever cared about was Julian, but it wasn't. It was him. That almost made me cry. Then how he killed his cloned brother and yet was still upset about it.

Lex is so damaged now. I like that he's embraced the darkside, but it's still sad."

Agreed. I almost got a bit teary-eyed on that part, and I don't usually get too teary-eyed. That just really touched me and left a lump in my throat. It was so tragic how Lex really knew in that moment how lost he was, and no matter how hard he tries to go back, he can't seem to. He keeps throwing himself back into darkness and desperation, despite his yearning to try to be good.

"Didn't you feel it was a bit heavy-handed for Lex? He has always been so suave at side-stepping such thug-like tactics and certainly is intellectually capable of a more subtle approach don't you think? I would have preferred for him to have tried several other options before being so desperate. After all, Lionel didn't even have a chance to prefer Julian over Lex, which to me was the crux of the matter."

Good points. I think, though, that Lex in this case didn't want to give Lionel that chance, because he could already tell that that's exactly what would have happened. Remember when Lionel said Grant, AKA Julian, was, "Courageous, forthright...your complete opposite" (or something to that effect)? And when he said Lex disgusted him. Lex probably already knew what was going to happen. Lex is a very desperate guy when it comes to unrequited love. That's the one thing that can make him stoop so low, and become desperate, and actually make some mistakes. He can't let someone become the son Lionel's always wanted. So he'll get rid of any chance of that happening. Of course, the alternative route, the one that would've made everyone happy, including himself, would've just been to stop controlling everything, stop fighting everybody, and just make amends with Lionel and Julian. Ask for forgiveness, explain how lonely he's been, admit that it was desperate, but ask if he can be a part of their lives. Maybe it could work. But no, Lex can't do that. He's too much of a cynic to believe in true redemption. So he resorts to taking Julian's life. It's sick, it's twisted, but it's very Lex Luthor. Maybe someday, he won't care so much about love and affection, and will be a little bit more careful and precise when it comes to who he murders and who he doesn't. More like the Lex Luthor in "Lois and Clark" who says, "I don't like to kill if I don't have to. Not because it bothers me, but because it takes the challenge out of it..." (he said something to that effect). :)

But whomever Lex decides he needs to murder, desperate or not, it seems he's learning to cover his tracks, the way Lionel used to do all the time. Like Lionel said to him earlier, "these elaborate projects of yours...you hide them like an expert." Maybe this murder will differ from what Lex did in "Promise" in that he'll cover this one up well...and only Lionel will know the truth, but have no evidence.

[Ladyalchemy]

I have been waiting for the genius mastermind, devilish mad man blood to churn up and now brim over. Love MR when he's all evil!

[Mello Penelo]

I think Al/Miles see Lex as a cold-blooded killer, even if he doesn't get his hands dirty. That doesn't make you evil or psychotic. If they took the time to do the research, they'd see he's conniving and manipulative and is a whole lot cleaner when it comes to murder. He's do it politically and socially, totally destroying the reputation and character of the person-- forcing them to the streets, losing their family. That's worse than death. And not a bit of the paper trail would go back to him.

The reporter he erased the existence of in season 1 gave me hope for the real Lex. Money and murder don't make Lex Lex.

[Welling_is_pretty]

In that scene Lex finally became the villian we all know and love to hate! But more than that.
I was sitting there going "ok, now that's Lex Luthor!" Not just that he had Julian killed, not just that he was all "nobody walks away from me" and "if I can't have my toy no one can", which is so Lex; but also that he looked almost sad, almost regretful.
That too is Lex Luthor.

I just wish we hadn't also had that screaming in the rain scene. It should have ended with the phone breaking. That was perfect.

[litew8]

EXACTLY. On point Mello. Even though what you've suggested, and I feel would be better for his charcter development, isn't happening - I was hoping, after being disapointed by the murder, that when they showed Lex with his phone - they wouldn't show the LCD screen. Only show Lex looking down at the phone. But instead, they showed the phone. It just made it even worse for me. I thought it was poor.



I think Al/Miles see Lex as a cold-blooded killer, even if he doesn't get his hands dirty. That doesn't make you evil or psychotic. If they took the time to do the research, they'd see he's conniving and manipulative and is a whole lot cleaner when it comes to murder. He's do it politically and socially, totally destroying the reputation and character of the person-- forcing them to the streets, losing their family. That's worse than death. And not a bit of the paper trail would go back to him.

The reporter he erased the existence of in season 1 gave me hope for the real Lex. Money and murder don't make Lex Lex.

[KryptonStones]

For me, Lex Luthor killing Julian and running out into the rain in that manner was truly a symbolic moment. Because it didn't ONLY remind me of the Julian scene but the two scenes where Lex stands in the middle of a rain storm when the water turns into blood. Honestly, THAT'S what I first flashedbacked to before I thought of the Julian scene. I am freakin ecstatic that the evil Lex is here and I'm also glad that they've made SO much of a contrast between Lex Luthor and Lionel Luthor season 1-3, that I can honestly say the two were completely different categories in villainy. Lionel rarely became angry, kept his emotions in check, killed MOSTLY (not always) for business purposes or purposes that served a much bigger view than what we saw, and as for as I can tell he never, NEVER, let the influence of a woman seethe through his skin the way Lex has.

LEX kills anyone he FEELS like killing AND does it for business/cover up purposes, he has been VERY vulnerable to the opposite sex, and has thrown so many spurts of anger that he's almost freakin terrifying when he does it. This is why Lex might be that much more dangerous than his old man, which is sad as it is interesting because Lionel never wanted to create THIS. This is just something I noticed during the scenes with Lex, Lionex, and Juliex, because I immediately watched Memoria afterwards and saw how different the two really are. And what's even scarier is that seasons 1-3 was Lionel at the HEIGHT of his villainy and we're just BEGINNING to see the rise of Lex Luthor. Jesus, I know I complain about the show a lot and disagree with a lot of directions they take with the show, but if its one thing they've gotten right is Lex Luthor's character development.

[LoisJoanneKent]

See?! Lana just has to get away from the iconic Superman characters in order for them to come into their true self. Point in case:

Lois: Never really around Lana much hence is becoming the world class reporter she was meant to be.

Lex: He gets divorced from Lana and then becomes the bad ass motherfu#$%^ he's destined to be.

Clark: Once he gets free from Lana's trampy hooks, he'll become the hero he was born to be: SUPERMAN!!!

[limi]

For me, Lex Luthor killing Julian and running out into the rain in that manner was truly a symbolic moment. Because it didn't ONLY remind me of the Julian scene but the two scenes where Lex stands in the middle of a rain storm when the water turns into blood. Honestly, THAT'S what I first flashedbacked to before I thought of the Julian scene.

That's exactly what I thought, I wrote about this in the "things you hated about persona" thread beacause they put this scene as one of the things to hate. I think they really missed the point.

However, as big a milestone as this is for Lex, isn't the future Lex more cold and calculating?
He's still got a long way to go. I think next we should see him stop caring so much about being liked, and start to see him trying to take over, because right now all we hear about are his experiments on people (okay, he did buy the planet, but there doesn't seem to be anything dirty about that. Buying a newspaper is perfectly legal, and he can afford it).

[xrayvision]

Your right its not, but the fact that he is able to "fix" a problem (ie Julian) is. He does not care about anyone or anything else other than himself.

I love this Luthor. Love to hate him for being such an A....
Of all the characters in SV i think that the his development and progression has been on point. I cant wait to see what else he will do....

I love his development except for when he's whipped by Lana during season 6 and parts of season 5. I also don't like how they showed him to be a wimp in Progeny.

[kasealaine]

Mmmmmm. Evil!Lex is hot.... erm... terrible.

I was so sad when he fell in love with Lana. Mainly because I wish that EVERYONE didn't have to fall for her. Keep it limited to a select few, please! Not every guy has the same taste in women.

[xrayvision]

In that scene Lex finally became the villian we all know and love to hate! But more than that.
I was sitting there going "ok, now that's Lex Luthor!" Not just that he had Julian killed, not just that he was all "nobody walks away from me" and "if I can't have my toy no one can", which is so Lex; but also that he looked almost sad, almost regretful.
That too is Lex Luthor.

I just wish we hadn't also had that screaming in the rain scene. It should have ended with the phone breaking. That was perfect.

The screaming shows that he still has remorse, something he won't have after killing Lionel, which will be the final step he will take. I liked the screaming because it brought things full circle. He did the same thing back when he was 9 years old in Memoria outside the window in Excelsior when he dropped the blanket containing "Julian" in the rain. I thought it was very well done.

[kasealaine]

MEMORIA!!!!
I'm glad you saw that too. I really started to get worried that I was the only one who noticed it. Good filmmaking.

[xrayvision]

For me, Lex Luthor killing Julian and running out into the rain in that manner was truly a symbolic moment. Because it didn't ONLY remind me of the Julian scene but the two scenes where Lex stands in the middle of a rain storm when the water turns into blood. Honestly, THAT'S what I first flashedbacked to before I thought of the Julian scene. I am freakin ecstatic that the evil Lex is here and I'm also glad that they've made SO much of a contrast between Lex Luthor and Lionel Luthor season 1-3, that I can honestly say the two were completely different categories in villainy. Lionel rarely became angry, kept his emotions in check, killed MOSTLY (not always) for business purposes or purposes that served a much bigger view than what we saw, and as for as I can tell he never, NEVER, let the influence of a woman seethe through his skin the way Lex has.

LEX kills anyone he FEELS like killing AND does it for business/cover up purposes, he has been VERY vulnerable to the opposite sex, and has thrown so many spurts of anger that he's almost freakin terrifying when he does it. This is why Lex might be that much more dangerous than his old man, which is sad as it is interesting because Lionel never wanted to create THIS. This is just something I noticed during the scenes with Lex, Lionex, and Juliex, because I immediately watched Memoria afterwards and saw how different the two really are. And what's even scarier is that seasons 1-3 was Lionel at the HEIGHT of his villainy and we're just BEGINNING to see the rise of Lex Luthor. Jesus, I know I complain about the show a lot and disagree with a lot of directions they take with the show, but if its one thing they've gotten right is Lex Luthor's character development.

I agree for the most part. But Lionel did kill to cover up his tracks. He had Dr. Claire Foster killed along with several others. He never really lost his temper, but he did threaten people and give ultimatums (like how he threatened Chloe at the end of Extinction when he found out her curiosity was the reason Lex was attacked). He did the same thing to her again later on in Whisper when she threatened him.

[litew8]

So, Lex is a murderer. I don't see any evil genius. I find that to be sad. Where is the evil genius xrayvision? To say Lex is suppose to be (in this order) a Murderer, then become an evil genius is a discrace if you ask me. No murderer should be considered a genius - EVER.

[6-Super-Man -5]

That was insane, the mugger shot him i think 4 or 5 TIMES!

[kasealaine]

It's ok, they're just trying to draw in some Supernatural gore-fans. Worked for me. It was one of my favorite parts. Give me some actionz!

[6-Super-Man -5]

Haha, yeah it was one of my favorite scene too.

[limi]

So, Lex is a murderer. I don't see any evil genius. I find that to be sad. Where is the evil genius xrayvision? To say Lex is suppose to be (in this order) a Murderer, then become an evil genius is a discrace if you ask me. No murderer should be considered a genius - EVER.

How about the fact he was able to orchestrate the cloning of a person, invent his entire history, and make both the clone and the entire world believe it? no one outside the Luthor family ever knew the truth about Grulian, even though he was (for a while) a pretty public figure. That requires some brains.

[Tottally ~ Free]

It may not have been Oh my goodness cleaver but its was lex ..it showed that he really is cold.

[Sweetie]

Lex Luthor is finally there!!!Yay!!!

[litew8]

How about the fact he was able to orchestrate the cloning of a person, invent his entire history, and make both the clone and the entire world believe it? no one outside the Luthor family ever knew the truth about Grulian, even though he was (for a while) a pretty public figure. That requires some brains.

Well, LIONEL actually is the one shown to have successfully clone an entity (Emily Dinsmore) to any measurable degree, not LEX. LEX just copied or started off where his father left off. There's WAS a distinction between LEX and LIONEL early on - which was contributing towards LEX'S character development. He (LEX) didn't like his father or his ways - LEX discovered how cold his father was because he killed his parents. LEX vowed not to become his father.

I think even LIONEL doesn't like the fact that LEX is following his footsetps per-say, which is why he told LEX that he's lost him. LEX simply hasn't done anything extraordinary (evil genius) because he's been in his father's shadow - something LEX has always disliked, particularly durring seasons 1 and 2. Now they seem to be portraying LEX as a murderer and they consider that going over the deep end to becoming an evil genius. Bull. Lex should become a much larger character than his father. By larger I mean more substance and intel. No murderer should EVER be considered a type of genius. It's a massive contradiction of intel.

The only thing to come of Jullian (Grant G.), was LEX being capable of purchasing the Daily Planet (I think). I'm not even sure Grant G. could have any say in the purchase of a public company. So Grant G. was a complete failure in most regards. He didn't accomplish anything - towards molding LEX into an evil genius.

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Well, LIONEL actually is the one shown to have successfully clone an entity (Emily Dinsmore) to any measurable degree, not LEX. LEX just copied or started off where his father left off. There's WAS a distinction between LEX and LIONEL early on - which was contributing towards LEX'S character development. He (LEX) didn't like his father or his ways - LEX discovered how cold his father was because he killed his parents. LEX vowed not to become his father.

I think even LIONEL doesn't like the fact that LEX is following his footsetps per-say, which is why he told LEX that he's lost him. LEX simply hasn't done anything extraordinary (evil genius) because he's been in his father's shadow - something LEX has always disliked, particularly durring seasons 1 and 2. Now they seem to be portraying LEX as a murderer and they consider that going over the deep end to becoming an evil genius. Bull. Lex should become a much larger character than his father. By larger I mean more substance and intel. No murderer should EVER be considered a type of genius. It's a massive contradiction of intel.

The only thing to come of Jullian (Grant G.), was LEX being capable of purchasing the Daily Planet (I think). I'm not even sure Grant G. could have any say in the purchase of a public company. So Grant G. was a complete failure in most regards. He didn't accomplish anything - towards molding LEX into an evil genius.

Yeah, I do think that Lex hasn't been shown to be the genius he is in the comics. But improving on his father's techniques is a big step. He has also done very well to cover his tracks since the Wes incident (Prototype). The project that turned Wes into a super soldier was also something big that the classic Lex would be involved with. Lionel never did any testing with alien DNA.

But the big step will come when he kills Lionel. Once he does that, there will be no more shadow to walk in. And he will become a maniac unhinged. That's what Lex should be--a maniac, not a murderer. There's a big difference. Lex believes that through his evil actions (I think he even realizes they are evil since he has shown remorse at times) like making people's lives miserable and using them, he can save the world. He believes that his projects and stuff are the only key to Earth's survival.

The thing is, once Lex kills Lionel & progresses further down the path of evil, he will have less and less remorse for his actions, though a small portion of him always will. The problem is that MR won't be around anymore to play Lex after Lionel is dead. And that will be the period of Lex's life I'm looking forward to seeing most. MR could do a great job and have a lot of fun playing that type of character.

This is why I have so badly wanted Clark to fight against his Kal-El side (with Kal-El wearing a Naman suit that Clark would have created earlier & worn during the black-k seperation causing the suit to copy) for an entire season. Clark's mission to fight Kal-El would be his training instead of spending 12 years with Jor-El which is very lame. This way, we would have 2 versions of him and a parallel could be drawn to show Clark becoming Superman and compare it to who Clark would turn into had Jor-El's will been fulfilled by Kal-El taking over his body. By fighting Kal-El, he would learn from his mistakes from past battles with Kal-El, learn about technology from occasional visits with Jor-El so he can gain advantages in battle, and finally amass all that knowledge & battle experience to beat Kal-El in their final battle and gain several points in fighting a super tough adversary so he can at least start getting ready for guys like Doomsday & Darkseid who are much tougher.

Not only would Kal-El be Clark's motivation to learn, but his presence would also spark something in Lex we have never seen before---he would be Lex's competition in saving the world. I would LOVE to see such a scenario and Lex's reaction to it. Especially with Kal-El's mentality, which is so different than what Lex will experience in the future with Superman. Lex's reaction to an alien serving as a ruthless ruler/protector would be something to watch, and it would bring the Naman legend & the ending of Talisman full circle as he would realize that his destined enemy is finally on Earth. As of now, I think Lex is still expecting Naman to show up and his projects are his preparation. Just think what Lex would do if he found out that the hourglass for his preparation is empty.

It's a shame we will never see this though.

[Luthorism]

This is why he's my hero.. he does what needs to be done!

I definately agree with you! This episode is like a milestone for me!

He's finally here! Great topic!!

All Hail LEX LUTHOR!!!!

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This is why he's my hero.. he does what needs to be done!

I definately agree with you! This episode is like a milestone for me!

He's finally here! Great topic!!

All Hail LEX LUTHOR!!!!

He's finally here? A murderer? Hardly the evil genius he should be.