I don't think i have ever seen this emotion on smallville. [Archive]

niki

01-31-2008, 07:32 PM

I was pleasantly surprised at that last scene. It spoke volumes without any dialogue. Didn't know Smallville had it in them to convey stuff like that only using the visual.

I defintely agree with this comment ... I was expecting them to say anything, expecting Clark to maybe turn to Lana and say, "I still love you" or "What the hell were you doing with Bizarro why didn't you know it was me dagnabbit we shouldn't be together or maybe we should 'cause you do make me smile but then again think about all that we've been through and mmm I love pie and I miss my mommy dang can we sleep now" ...

But the silence, with the music overlay, was gorgeous and powerful enough that no words had to be said.

SVfan4ever

01-31-2008, 07:38 PM

It was as good if not better than the 'Nemesis' scene after Clark had gotten out of the exploding tunnel and saw Lana. Great acting in both scenes IMO.

Mrs.Bizzaro

01-31-2008, 07:43 PM

The reason Biz blew his cover was, because he hurt Chloe.
Biz claims to know CK's thoughts, intersting that Biz felt no warmth towards Chloe.

Well, keep in mind that Bizzaro is the opposite of Clark...if Bizzaro was completely in love with Lana and cold towards Chloe then...hmmmm, makes you really wonder. ;)

clana4everfan2

01-31-2008, 07:45 PM

I agree the ending scene was heartbreakingly sad for both their characters ( the Clana) and very awkward.

maryjanewatson

02-01-2008, 02:22 AM

that scene was awkward, but in a "what the crap is going on?!" kind of way. that scene didn't make any sense to me and felt very out of place.

Eri-El

02-01-2008, 04:04 AM

i felt bad for poor clark, he even looked at the bed, yikes, just to know ....... she was intimate with bizarro. poor clark.

I would not have even got in the bed....If I was Clark I would have chucked it out the window, went downstairs slept on the couch, and I would have told Lana she could sleep in the barn!..........:rotfl:

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 06:48 AM

The reason Biz blew his cover was, because he hurt Chloe.
Biz claims to know CK's thoughts, intersting that Biz felt no warmth towards Chloe.

Because Bizoe=Clois Clark felt no warmth towards Lois either, he's annoyed by her so Bizarro would treat Chloe, like How Clark would treat Lois.

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 07:05 AM

Biz claims to know CK's thoughts, intersting that Biz felt no warmth towards Chloe.

Biz is the opposite of Clark. There should be no warmth between Biz and Chloe. That's reserved for only Chloe and Clark and the Chlark scene showed that in spades. Clark's hurt at Chloe's skepticism as she backs away and his relief when she jumps into his arms, not to mention his grin as he walks into the DP and sees Chloe.

The Chlark was perfect in this episode and it highlighted not only the difference between Chloe and Lana but Clark's relationship with both girls.

do3mire

02-01-2008, 07:17 AM

The very last scene.. clark and lana didn't even know what to say or do. It was just awkward. I don't even know how to explain it. They are history. If the only way lana knew it wasn't him was through a physical aspect, its over.

Yes! I was impressed with it too. I think I'm jumping ship...over to Clana. ;)

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 07:19 AM

I'm jumping ship...over to Clana. ;)

:eek: *gasp* Disowns do3mire.

jimmyolsenblues

02-01-2008, 07:21 AM

do3mire

02-01-2008, 07:35 AM

I have to be honest.
I came home around 6pm, and I watched Tuesday episode of house on the dvr.
Then watched smallville at 8pm, then watched lost at 9pm.
And smallville had better writing , better suspense, better ACTING, than house or lost.
I was shocked because normally its the reverse.
I am proud of Almiles work and the actors in this episode.
It was really good.
I felt bad for clark, lionel , bizarro , dax-ur, and I hated Lex and braniac.
Great writing. Good stuff.

I dont know about the other shows. But, last night's epi was very good. Only 2 bits I didn't care for. Lionel/Lex convo "It's you I've lost", and Lex screaming in the rain. Biz/Clana was the best! I loved Lana in this show. Simple, straightforward story-telling! If they keep this level of writing up, they will have made a successful transition out of the JK/MK era of Smallville.

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:eek: *gasp* Disowns do3mire.

Nooooo!!

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 07:38 AM

I think I'm jumping ship...over to Clana. ;)
:eek: *calls out* GET ME AN EXORCIST!

jazel

02-01-2008, 07:42 AM

Because Bizoe=Clois Clark felt no warmth towards Lois either, he's annoyed by her so Bizarro would treat Chloe, like How Clark would treat Lois.

The flirting scene in Bizarro (Biz/Lo) lacked warmth ? Biz didn't seem annoyed at all, EVEN after she slapped him.LOL
If you compare the Biz scene w/ Lois in Bizarro, and the Biz/Chloe scene in Persona, it's similar to CK on Red-K w/ his inhibitions getting stripped.

harryandginnyfanatic

02-01-2008, 07:49 AM

IMO. Biz, being a double of Clark, takes on the same emotional attachments that Clark has.

Clark claims to have loved Lana from the moment he saw her. Biz has Clark's memories of Lana and says in Gemini that seeing her again was like falling in love with her all over again.

Clark's weakness for Lana also seems to be Biz's weakness.

jazel

02-01-2008, 07:51 AM

Apparently no male in SV, can resist the Lana. Just wish "those" males, had higher standards. LOL

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 08:00 AM

The reason Biz blew his cover was, because he hurt Chloe.
Biz claims to know CK's thoughts, intersting that Biz felt no warmth towards Chloe.

The funny thing is that Bizarro, having Clark´s memories, fancied Lois and was in love with Lana but very intolerant and unpacient with Chloe... hmmm

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 08:51 AM

The flirting scene in Bizarro (Biz/Lo) lacked warmth ? Biz didn't seem annoyed at all, EVEN after she slapped him.LOL
If you compare the Biz scene w/ Lois in Bizarro, and the Biz/Chloe scene in Persona, it's similar to CK on Red-K w/ his inhibitions getting stripped.

You need to reread my post. I said CLOIS was like Bizloe NOT Biz/Lo

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The funny thing is that Bizarro, having Clark´s memories, fancied Lois and was in love with Lana but very intolerant and unpacient with Chloe... hmmm

Right he's twisted he's the opposite.

Chlark=Bizois
Clana=Bizana
Clois=Bizoe

Clana=Bizana is the same because Lana is the opposite now... Clana is Clark loving the Pink Princess, Bizana is Bizarro loving the Dark B!tch (the opposite of the PP)

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 08:56 AM

You need to reread my post. I said CLOIS was like Bizloe NOT Biz/Lo

Still, he wasnt annoyed with Lois at all, even after she slaped him and he manhandled Chloe just cause she wouldnt help him, seems to me he´s got some issues with Chloe. I guess Bizarro has some of Clark´s feelings and to me Clark views Chloe as a sidekick so obviously Bizarro will as well, hence he got anoyed when his sidekick didnt fullfill her duties.

harryandginnyfanatic

02-01-2008, 08:57 AM

Right he's twisted he's the opposite.

If he's the opposite why'd he save Chimmy in Gemini?

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 08:58 AM

Right he's twisted he's the opposite.

Chlark=Bizois
Clana=Bizana
Clois=Bizoe

Clana=Bizana is the same because Lana is the opposite now... Clana is Clark loving the Pink Princess, Bizana is Bizarro loving the Dark B!tch (the opposite of the PP)

Hmmm

Clana= Bizlana cause Lana was not darker nor pinker than she´s been through the duration of season 7, its not like Bizarro met a completely diferent Lana that Clark had left in Blue. Iconic Bizarro I would agree, but SV´s version of Bizarro is not one who follows the "Oposites" rule, he´s a lot like red k Clark but with an agenda and not just living in complete freedom.

And Iv never seen Clark misstreat Lois and considering she purposely tries to get on his nerves he´s quite pacient with her.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 08:59 AM

Still, he wasnt annoyed with Lois at all, even after she slaped him and he manhandled Chloe just cause she wouldnt help him, seems to me he´s got some issues with Chloe. I guess Bizarro has some of Clark´s feelings and to me Clark views Chloe as a sidekick so obviously Bizarro will as well, hence he got anoyed when his sidekick didnt fullfill her duties.

No offense, in Cure it showed Chloe not wanting to help Clark, not being his sidekick he grew concerned. Bizarro was annoyed by Chloe even before her saying to wait, because he made faces behind her back. On more the one occation Clark stated how he wished he could fry Lois with his Heat Vision and how he doesn't like her. Bizarro and Chloe is like Clois.

Bizarro has Clark's memories but his perspective is clearly the opposite, he dislikes Chloe just like Clark dislikes Lois

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Hmmm

Clana= Bizlana cause Lana was not darker nor pinker than she´s been through the duration of season 7, its not like Bizarro met a completely diferent Lana that Clark had left in Blue.

Lana confessed to everything she's done to Bizarro, she's darker, manipulative, not speaking in that "oh so innocent" voice. Also Bizarro never met Lana, until Gemini. Also Clark said in Wrath that Lana is darker. He's in love with Lana of Season 1-2, NOT of Season 7, compare the two Lana's you see the difference.

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If he's the opposite why'd he save Chimmy in Gemini? Cause he needed Chloe's help. If he didn't he wouldn't care.

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And Iv never seen Clark misstreat Lois and considering she purposely tries to get on his nerves he´s quite pacient with her.
I never said he does, he does state how he doesn't like her yeah, but he would never touch her because he has a conscious.

harryandginnyfanatic

02-01-2008, 09:06 AM

Bizarro is not the opposite of Clark.

Clark loves Lana. Bizarro loves Lana. Simple.

Besides. In most incarnations the character often shows interest in Lois or Lana. Because he's Clark's clone.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:10 AM

Bizarro is not the opposite of Clark.
Clark loves Lana. Bizarro loves Lana. Simple.

Yes he is. Lana is different. Clark said he's been in love with Lana since he was Five, is that Lana, the Pink Princess Lana, the Lana of Season 7? NO. She darker, she herself is the opposite of what she's been in Season 1-3. That is why Bizarro loves Lana, cause he loves her for who she is, while Clark loves the image of who she was.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:13 AM

No offense, in Cure it showed Chloe not wanting to help Clark, not being his sidekick he grew concerned. Bizarro was annoyed by Chloe even before her saying to wait, because he made faces behind her back. On more the one occation Clark stated how he wished he could fry Lois with his Heat Vision and how he doesn't like her. Bizarro and Chloe is like Clois.

I never said Bizarro and Clark were the same, but its funny that there are none of Clark´s feelings for Chloe present in Bizarro and since Crimson we know Clark fancies Lois (phisically not romantically)

he dislikes Chloe just like Clark dislikes Lois

I know it does not help you´r cause bella but Clark likes Lois, yes they banter but we have canon that confirms they regard each other as friends, and people who dislike eachother are not friends.

Lana confessed to everything she's done to Bizarro, she's darker, manipulative, not speaking in that "oh so innocent" voice. Also Bizarro never met Lana, until Gemini. Also Clark said in Wrath that Lana is darker. He's in love with Lana of Season 1-2, NOT of Season 7, compare the two Lana's you see the difference.

I think Isis is the least of Lana´s evil deed´s this season, Clark saw her powerdrunk in Wrath and know´s she killed her clone, he knows she stole money from Lex, IMO the isis thing doesnt change much. Plus its not like Bizarro and Lana were cooking evil plans in bed, Biz had romantic feelings for Lana and as it seemed he only wanted to survive and live his life with Lana.

I never said he does, he does state how he doesn't like her yeah, but he would never touch her because he has a conscious

My point was that what you were saying was baseless (the Clois = Bizloe) and again as much as it pains you Clark LIKES LOIS, sorry but its canon, I dont want to get all Chlois thread in here but just watch Arrow, Lucy or even Oracle (as much as you find it hard to belive) and you´ll see that they consider themselves friends, friends like eachother.

jimmyolsenblues

02-01-2008, 09:15 AM

I am sure the writers on purpose made it look like Bizarro would have the same feelings for lana as clark does.
The writers love their clana.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:17 AM

I never said Bizarro and Clark were the same, but its funny that there are none of Clark´s feelings for Chloe present in Bizarro and since Crimson we know Clark fancies Lois (phisically not romantically)

Kal wanted a warm body, and Lois was throwing herself at him. he doesn't fancies Lois, she's just attrative. Yes I know they are friends, yet they hardly show that they are. In Wrath he sees Lois hurts he goes "Lana did this?" He doesn't go "Oh Lois I was so worried" he didn't even care it seems she was hurt. In Kara, he had no probably saying goodbye to her cause he isn't close with her.

myankskent

02-01-2008, 09:19 AM

Clana=Bizana is the same because Lana is the opposite now... Clana is Clark loving the Pink Princess, Bizana is Bizarro loving the Dark B!tch (the opposite of the PP)

What dark side of Lana? I didn't even see Lana do anything dark in this episode. It's ubelievable to me how Lana using her computers at the Isis foundation equates to her being "dark." If she kidnapped or stole or spied on people, that's dark, IMO. Bizarro was perfectly happy with Lana making dinner for him on the farm and being her pink princess self. That's why I don't buy this opposite thing.

AndiGirl

02-01-2008, 09:21 AM

If he's the opposite why'd he save Chimmy in Gemini?

I think at that point Bizzaro was worried his cover would easily be blown. He wanted to act just like Clark. Until he fell in love with Lana that is..

harryandginnyfanatic

02-01-2008, 09:24 AM

Where is it in canon that Biz is Clark's exact opposite?

They both wear clothes. If it's the opposite wouldn't one of them be naked?

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ya know, I think I'll leave this discussion to the more experienced debaters.

Bye. :)

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:26 AM

Kal wanted a warm body, and Lois was throwing herself at him. he doesn't fancies Lois, she's just attrative. Yes I know they are friends, yet they hardly show that they are. . .
Its the type of relationship they have, remember Lucy, it seems to me that given their personalities they dont like to admit they like eachother but they do

Lois: So we are friends now?
Clark: I wont tell anyone if you dont.

And Clark fancying her phisically and being atracted to her isnt the same thing?? And lets not forget how Kal is with girls, as soon as they start anoying him he leaves them, when Lois went about him being a farm boy, Kal would have regularly just blow her off and go search for a nother hot moma, but amazingly enough he had the patience to take her up to the roof and impress her. Now Im not saying this means Clark loves Lois but I think she atractive so he finds her atractive, I dont see the problem with that.

In Wrath he sees Lois hurts he goes "Lana did this?" He doesn't go "Oh Lois I was so worried" he didn't even care it seems she was hurt

This just proves Clark is uncapable of thinking bad about his perfect angel Lana

In Kara, he had no probably saying goodbye to her cause he isn't close with her

but he did so speculating on it isnt necesary

myankskent

02-01-2008, 09:27 AM

Where is it in canon that Biz is Clark's exact opposite?

They both wear clothes. If it's the opposite wouldn't one of them be naked?

Good point. They are not exact opposites. Bizarro even went to Chloe about the shield just like Clark would AND did later in the episode when he couldn't find it. Bizarro also went to Chloe about Brainiac at the end of "Gemini".

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:31 AM

Good point. They are not exact opposites. Bizarro even went to Chloe about the shield just like Clark would AND did later in the episode when he couldn't find it.

Which brings me back to my point, Bizarro wasnt all that diferent from Clark so his little patience for Chloe stood up. Again Im not saying Clark doesnt have patience for Chloe or that he´s holding some grudge, no no; my point is that Bizarro has Clark´s memories so my theory is that Clark views Chloe so much like a sidekick (perhaps she typecasted her self) that BIzarro took that to an extreme and was pissed she wasnt performing her duties.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 09:32 AM

Where is it in canon that Biz is Clark's exact opposite?

You slay me :lol:

I believe Clark told Chloe that everything affects Biz in an opposite manner in Bizarro.

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 09:34 AM

I guess Bizarro has some of Clark´s feelings and to me Clark views Chloe as a sidekick so obviously Bizarro will as well, hence he got anoyed when his sidekick didnt fullfill her duties.

So basically your argument is that Clark does not have any feelings for Chloe at all, does not regard her as a friend, doesn't give a crap about her and the only reason he talks to her at all is to get information and expects her to fulfill her duties. Is that it?

myankskent

02-01-2008, 09:36 AM

Which brings me back to my point, Bizarro wasnt all that diferent from Clark so his little patience for Chloe stood up. Again Im not saying Clark doesnt have patience for Chloe or that he´s holding some grudge, no no; my point is that Bizarro has Clark´s memories so my theory is that Clark views Chloe so much like a sidekick (perhaps she typecasted her self) that BIzarro took that to an extreme and was pissed she wasnt performing her duties.

I completely agree. It's basically on par with Bizarro wanting to leave Smallville with Lana to fly her around the world. It's taking these feelings that Clark has and pushing it to the extreme. Brilliantly put by you above.

jimmyolsenblues

02-01-2008, 09:36 AM

I really don't think this is chlark vs clana.
I think the writers intentionally wrote bizalana to hurt clark. To show another mini-love story.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:36 AM

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:38 AM

So basically your argument is that Clark does not have any feelings for Chloe at all, does not regard her as a friend, doesn't give a crap about her and the only reason he talks to her at all is to get information and expects her to fulfill her duties. Is that it?

I think he does love her (as a friend) but their relationship dynamic has been stuck in the sidekick one for at least two seasons. Remember in Combat how anoyed Clark got with Chloe cause she couldnt find the Combats promotor?? It reminds me a lot of Bizarro loosing his patience with Chloe this last epi, even the apology seemed very similar.

Also that Bizarro doesnt deal with the same thing the same way Clark does, so he took Chloe´s sidekick role as her obligation, I think Clark on the other hand is thankfull Chloe does what she does for him.

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 09:41 AM

That's the impression I got.

I think the point is whenever there is an episode where Chlark comes off strong (and believe me, it was strong in this episode to the point where even non shippers saw it) people will instantly try and undermine it.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:43 AM

Also that Bizarro doesnt deal with the same thing the same way Clark does, so he took Chloe´s sidekick role as her obligation, I think Clark on the other hand is thankfull Chloe does what she does for him.

Funny, from how I saw, Lana was Bizarro's sidekick also.

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I think the point is whenever there is an episode where Chlark comes off strong (and believe me, it was strong in this episode to the point where even non shippers saw it) people will instantly try and undermine it.

Agreed, especially when Lois wasn't in it. They grasp at straws and see what they want to see.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 09:47 AM

Agreed, especially when Lois wasn't in it. They grasp at straws and see what they want to see.

Exactly. It is funny really.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Especially when Clark's PHYSICAL ATTRACTION to Lois is used to support the argument that he has repressed feelings of love for her.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:47 AM

I think the point is whenever there is an episode where Chlark comes off strong (and believe me, it was strong in this episode to the point where even non shippers saw it) people will instantly try and undermine it.

:lol::lol: Chlark strong??? They huged, they always hug :confused: probably the only thing that would make me try to underminde it just for the sake of it, is if one day I actually saw hints of romantic Chlark. And remember that psicoanalising people´s posts is against the rules.:)

mistaguitarmasta

02-01-2008, 09:47 AM

Clearly, SV Biz isn't the same as "Classic" Biz. As far as I know, ClassicBiz would be using Bizarro grammar ("Me am Bizarro" etc). Plus, wouldn't his face be distorted ALL the time, not just under sunlight? Or am I off the mark on that one?

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:49 AM

They admit Bizarro is annoyed with Chloe... yet Clark is never annoyed with Chloe, he's showed to be annoyed by Lois...

Kal-Ed's argument basically is, "Clark uses Chloe, Bizarro did the same thing."

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:51 AM

Exactly. It is funny really.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Especially when Clark's PHYSICAL ATTRACTION to Lois is used as the basis for Clois.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Nope I see theyr banter as subconcious flirting (ive been in similar situations) I recall Ketherina Stratford and Patric Verona in The Taming of the Shrue or Mr Darcy and Liz Bennet from Pride and Predjudice that both relationships stared with hevy banter and an aparent hatred that ended up as deep meaningfull love. Also we know how it ends, THAT´S also our basis for Clois, that´s the good think when you´r a cloiser, no need to grasp at straws or make up silly theories, we just have to wait and know that even if we dont see it in Smallville Clark and Lois end up together.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:51 AM

:lol::lol: Chlark strong??? They huged, they always hug :confused: probably the only thing that would make me try to underminde it just for the sake of it, is if one day I actually saw hints of romantic Chlark. And remember that psicoanalising people´s posts is against the rules.:)

It's spelled psychoanalyzing, and believe me, that takes time. We are just judging off their POV within grounds of the rules. Chlark came out strong. Chloe knew it wasn't Clark, while Lana loved the villain. Brainiac and Jor-el knew it was the phantom. The message of the episode in terms of the chlarkana is that Chlark is a better match then Clana.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:52 AM

T
Kal-Ed's argument basically is, "Clark uses Chloe, Bizarro did the same thing."

You didnt read my response to that post didnt you:\

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:53 AM

Nope I see theyr banter as subconcious flirting.
Lois to Clark: That was totally retarded.

OMG THAT WAS A DECLARATION OF LOVE!!!!

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:53 AM

It's spelled psychoanalyzing, and believe me, that takes time. We are just judging off their POV within grounds of the rules. Chlark came out strong. Chloe knew it wasn't Clark, while Lana loved the villain. Brainiac and Jor-el knew it was the phantom. The message of the episode in terms of the chlarkana is that Chlark is a better match then Clana.

Ah we are resorting to the spelling arguments :lol:

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 09:53 AM

I think he does love her (as a friend)

Really? Because the last few posts in this thread tried very hard to prove that Clark only uses Chloe for information and has little or no feelings towards her.

Remember in Combat how anoyed Clark got with Chloe cause she couldnt find the Combats promotor??

Yes but I don't remember her being scared of Clark as she was of Bizarro. Friends lose their patience with each other, they share harsh words, they even fight and it hasn't only been Clark losing his patience with Chloe. Chloe has told him what he doesn't want to hear on numerous occasions. Quite a contrast to Clana where they tiptoe around each other afraid of speaking their minds.

think Clark on the other hand is thankfull Chloe does what she does for him.

They're a partnership. Lana picked up on it and indicated her jealousy when she mentioned that Chloe wasn't the only one good with computers.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:53 AM

You didnt read my response to that post didnt you:\

yes I did bello, I just summarized it...

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:54 AM

Lois to Clark: That was totally retarded.

OMG THAT WAS A DECLARATION OF LOVE!!!!

That´s just you taking things too literay, not everything single dialog they have is banter,

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:54 AM

Ah we are resorting to the spelling arguments :lol:
You think you can handle it? ;)

jazel

02-01-2008, 09:55 AM

:lol::lol: Chlark strong??? They huged, they always hug :confused: probably the only thing that would make me try to underminde it just for the sake of it, is if one day I actually saw hints of romantic Chlark. And remember that psicoanalising people´s posts is against the rules.:)

I wonder if Clark has ever "initiated" the hugging, Chloe always seems to do the hugging.
Why is Lois even being brought up?
"They grasp as straws and see what they want to see"......can be applied to Chlarkers as well.:p

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 09:55 AM

That´s just you taking things too literay, not everything single dialog they have is banter,

What other scenes in the past 2 episodes, NOT including Crimson, has them so... loving.

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I wonder if Clark has ever "initiated" the hugging, Chloe always seems to do the hugging.

Clark has initiated several Chlark hugs...

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:57 AM

yes I did bello, I just summarized it...

Yup and all you got from it was that I miss spelled psychoanalyzing

jazel

02-01-2008, 09:57 AM

Clark has initiated several Chlark hugs...
I don't recall those said hugs.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 09:58 AM

Nope I see theyr banter as subconcious flirting (ive been in similar situations) I recall Ketherina Stratford and Patric Verona in The Taming of the Shrue or Mr Darcy and Liz Bennet from Pride and Predjudice that both relationships stared with hevy banter and an aparent hatred that ended up as deep meaningfull love. Also we know how it ends, THAT´S also our basis for Clois, that´s the good think when you´r a cloiser, no need to grasp at straws or make up silly theories, we just have to wait and know that even if we dont see it in Smallville Clark and Lois end up together.

What exactly are you waiting to see on Smallville? And if you take great comfort in the undisputed fact that Clark ends up with Lois, then none of his relationships on SV should ignite such nit-picky debates.:)

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 09:59 AM

What other scenes in the past 2 episodes, NOT including Crimson, has them so... loving.

Perhaps my english, or you´r english is failing but I never said theyr banter means they love eachother, but like in the examples I quoted it is posible that that banter/hate ends up turning into love. And as we know, it does happen, so Im not worried at all.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:01 AM

I don't recall those said hugs.

The end of Truth, In Hydro, in Labyrinth, I can go on and on.

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 10:02 AM

Chlark strong??? They huged, they always hug probably the only thing that would make me try to underminde it just for the sake of it, is if one day I actually saw hints of romantic Chlark. And remember that psicoanalising people´s posts is against the rules.

You're right. Chlark wasn't strong. Clana and Clois were much stronger in the episode.

I don't recall those said hugs.

Look back over your DVD's. They're there.

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:02 AM

CK/TW nailed BOTH Biz and CK perfectly, loved the subtle differences he gave each character.
Lana HAD to see Biz's face "distort".....she should have been "aware" of the wardrobe switch-a-roo.lol
MR for some reason fell flat for me.
Julian, I actually liked.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:03 AM

What exactly are you waiting to see on Smallville? And if you take great comfort in the undisputed fact that Clark ends up with Lois, then none of his relationships on SV should ignite such nit-picky debates.:)

the action mostly, I like action movies, Im a shiper cause I have loved Clois since I read comics as a boy, I coincidentally started reading comics around the time Clois finally became a reality and not just Lois chasing Superman who is chasing Lois as Clark. But really in the end the shiping doesnt bother me, unless its Clana, not perse but cause its now beyond my suspence of belief and boring. I much rather see a grea fx fight between Clark and Bizarro than Clark confesing his love to Lois, like I said I know that happens, so its not a priority on my list.

And just cause I like debating doesnt mean Im pasionate about other ships, oh and Im sort of have my personal agenda, see I was never too involved in the forum but when I see inacurate statements I tend to debate them.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:03 AM

I wonder if Clark has ever "initiated" the hugging, Chloe always seems to do the hugging.

On numerous occasions.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:03 AM

I think he does love her (as a friend) but their relationship dynamic has been stuck in the sidekick one for at least two seasons. Remember in Combat how anoyed Clark got with Chloe cause she couldnt find the Combats promotor?? It reminds me a lot of Bizarro loosing his patience with Chloe this last epi, even the apology seemed very similar.

Also that Bizarro doesnt deal with the same thing the same way Clark does, so he took Chloe´s sidekick role as her obligation, I think Clark on the other hand is thankfull Chloe does what she does for him.

:lol::lol: Chlark strong??? They huged, they always hug :confused: probably the only thing that would make me try to underminde it just for the sake of it, is if one day I actually saw hints of romantic Chlark. And remember that psicoanalising people´s posts is against the rules.:)

It's spelled psychoanalyzing, and believe me, that takes time. We are just judging off their POV within grounds of the rules. Chlark came out strong. Chloe knew it wasn't Clark, while Lana loved the villain. Brainiac and Jor-el knew it was the phantom. The message of the episode in terms of the chlarkana is that Chlark is a better match then Clana.

Yup and all you got from it was that I miss spelled psychoanalyzing

I wasn't summarizing that one, it was the first one...

----- Added 43 Seconds later -----

Look back over your DVD's. They're there.

She's going to ignore them anyway.

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:06 AM

The end of Truth, In Hydro, in Labyrinth, I can go on and on.
most friends hug in dire situations, and even in good times.
nobody's debating Clark and Chloe friendship....I like them as friends, why force a romantic issue between the pair, when he has said repeatedly, he just doesn't feel that way ?:\

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:06 AM

You're right. Chlark wasn't strong. Clana and Clois were much stronger in the episode.
.

Just cause Chlark wasnt strong doesnt mean Clana or Clois were strong, they can all three be weak, or non existant like Clois in this episode. See I think I would be fooling myself thinking that just cause Clark grabed Lois´s hand in Zod there is hope I will see Clois in Smallville, cause I can be objective and see that aint happening in the near future and that going by TpTB´s word SV wont deal with that relationshp.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:07 AM

most friends hug in dire situations, and even in good times.
nobody's debating Clark and Chloe friendship....I like them as friends, why force a romantic issue between the pair, when he has said repeatedly, he just doesn't feel that way ?:\

No one was arguing the romance, you don't know when Clark initiated hugs, I told you some. Also he said that to her ONCE in S4 devoted.

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:08 AM

She's going to ignore them anyway.
only have S4 & S5, and I really don't have the time to
go over all the Chlark hugs. I'm glad they are non romantic friends.:)

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:09 AM

And just cause I like debating doesnt mean Im pasionate about other ships, oh and Im sort of have my personal agenda, see I was never too involved in the forum but when I see inacurate statements I tend to debate them. Pssst it's Doesn't. I'm, Passionate, inaccurate

hehe, I still love you bello. Baci

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:11 AM

No one was arguing the romance, you don't know when Clark initiated hugs, I told you some. Also he said that to her ONCE in S4 devoted.

I'm not going to commit to memory, every trumped up (mostly by Chlark shippers) Chlark moment. He's still w/ Lana, and that's his romantic focus, even if they are unraveling.

BadToad

02-01-2008, 10:11 AM

I don't recall those said hugs.

I can think of 2 right off the top of my head, Labyrinth and Hydro.

Personally, I don't believe Bizarro's reactions to people are any sort of conclusive reflection on Clark's feelings. He is aware of how Clark feels about people, it doesn't mean that Bizarro's own feelings have to be the same. I think the way they presented Bizarro on the show made him his own person totally, even while being in Clark's skin. He wasn't Clark's opposite, he wasn't Clark's spirtual or emotional twin. He was an entirely different entity. And therefore, IMO, his reactions to Lana, Lois or Chloe mean absolutely nothing to me.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:11 AM

most friends hug in dire situations, and even in good times.
nobody's debating Clark and Chloe friendship....I like them as friends, why force a romantic issue between the pair, when he has said repeatedly, he just doesn't feel that way ?:\

I am noticing a pattern. You raise an argument and when it is refuted, you shrug it off never really acknowledging that you were wrong.

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 10:12 AM

nobody's debating Clark and Chloe friendship...

The only reason I got involved with this was because their friendship was being debated. Not romance but friendship.

most friends hug in dire situations

You couldn't recall Chlark hugs where Clark initiated the hugging. For some reason that was significant so examples were given.

See I dont like fooling myself into thinking......cause I can be objective

So can I and the Chlark bond WAS strong.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:12 AM

I'm not going to commit to memory, every trumped up (mostly by Chlark shippers) Chlark moment. He's still w/ Lana, and that's his romantic focus, even if they are unraveling.

They are not "trumped up". There is definitive proof in the form of transcripts, screen caps, etc.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:13 AM

I can think of 2 right off the top of my head, Labyrinth and Hydro.

Personally, I don't believe Bizarro's reactions to people are any sort of conclusive reflection on Clark's feelings. He is aware of how Clark feels about people, it doesn't mean that Bizarro's own feelings have to be the same. I think the way they presented Bizarro on the show made him his own person totally, even while being in Clark's skin. He wasn't Clark's opposite, he wasn't Clark's spirtual or emotional twin. He was an entirely different entity. And therefore, IMO, his reactions to Lana, Lois or Chloe mean absolutely nothing to me.

I can accept that POV... BadToad, I love your posts.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:15 AM

only have S4 & S5, and I really don't have the time to
go over all the Chlark hugs.

Then how you can you raise an argument when you haven't seen all the episodes. It's pointless to say you don't recall any Clark initiated hugs if you have only watched two seasons.:rolleyes:

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:15 AM

Chlark came out strong. Chloe knew it wasn't Clark, while Lana loved the villain. Brainiac and Jor-el knew it was the phantom. The message of the episode in terms of the chlarkana is that Chlark is a better match then Clana.

I think that the message was that Clana is based on both Lana and Clark´s idealizing one a nother and never actually took the time to know eachother but I think even Jimmy would have known Clark wasnt himself if he had seen Clark hurt Chloe. But I do think Chlark is much healthier than Clana, no arguments there.

My original point was that Clark is too depending on Chloe helping hima and that either in the story or the writers have been stuck in the sidekick dinamic for too long, Id like at least some mention taht Chloe and Clark went to the movies together or somethin, but all we get is them working together to fight crime.

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:16 AM

They are not "trumped up". There is definitive proof in the form of transcripts, screen caps, etc.

yes, proof of their strong friendship.:)

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:16 AM

yes, proof of their strong friendship.:)

:rolleyes:

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:17 AM

My original point was that Clark is too depending on Chloe helping hima and that either in the story or the writers have been stuck in the sidekick dinamic for too long, Id like at least some mention taht Chloe and Clark went to the movies together or somethin, but all we get is them working together to fight crime.

Per canon, they have been on numerous dates. Sitting in front of his fireplace, meeting for coffee, going to the lake, etc.

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yes, proof of their strong friendship.:)

pathetic

Your quote:
I'm not going to commit to memory, every trumped up (mostly by Chlark shippers) Chlark moment. He's still w/ Lana, and that's his romantic focus, even if they are unraveling.

You asserted that most Chlark moments are trumped up. I responded that there is proof in the form of the episodes themselves and by extension screen caps, transcripts, etc. Once again, you raise a ridiculous argument, its refuted, and you refuse to acknowledge it.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:18 AM

I can think of 2 right off the top of my head, Labyrinth and Hydro.

Personally, I don't believe Bizarro's reactions to people are any sort of conclusive reflection on Clark's feelings. He is aware of how Clark feels about people, it doesn't mean that Bizarro's own feelings have to be the same. I think the way they presented Bizarro on the show made him his own person totally, even while being in Clark's skin. He wasn't Clark's opposite, he wasn't Clark's spirtual or emotional twin. He was an entirely different entity. And therefore, IMO, his reactions to Lana, Lois or Chloe mean absolutely nothing to me.

The bizlana gave me a diferent intention from the writers. Not that they are spirutual twins I never implyed that, but I do belive Clark´s feelings and memories hold some weight in Bizarro´s decision.

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:18 AM

Then how you can you raise an argument when you haven't seen all the episodes. It's pointless to say you don't recall any Clark initiated hugs if you have only watched two seasons.:rolleyes:
How did my simple statement start an arguement ?:p
you can't argue something w/ me, because I don't recall it. so let it go.lol

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:19 AM

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:20 AM

pathetic

So the Chlark frienship is pathetic for you ? Sorry to hear that.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:20 AM

How did my simple statement start an arguement ?:p
you can't argue something w/ me, because I don't recall it. so let it go.lol
If you going to play the, "Oh I don't remember seeing that" card why start the argument in the first place?

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:20 AM

Per canon, they have been on numerous dates. Sitting in front of his fireplace, meeting for coffee, going to the lake, etc.
pathetic

See but except for the lake thing in Sneeze (the second epi of the past season) the other ones are outside the range I gave which is two years (asuming each season covers a year´s span in SV). ANd the fire place thing is not a date, its just a set location, or what they are going to be at the DP every single time?? even AlMiles arent so monotonus

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:21 AM

[QUOTE=aqgalaxy;3570605]Clark blew the clouds away for in Sneeze?/QUOTE]

Lois brought the attention about the weather, he did it to mess with Lois.LOL

harryandginnyfanatic

02-01-2008, 10:21 AM

If yous don't mind, I'm gonna get back on topic and reply to the first post.

The very last scene.. clark and lana didn't even know what to say or do. It was just awkward. I don't even know how to explain it. They are history. If the only way lana knew it wasn't him was through a physical aspect, its over.

Like how it was meant to be over in Reckoing then it took 3 episodes for them to break up?

The fact that chloe has known clark forever shows how much better she knows him than lana.:rotfl:

Well, had Biz not let his guard down and grabbed Chloe the way he did, she may have continued to be fooled by him.

Still. It's not out of charcter for Clark to lose it and grab Chloe.

Noir. "You know how much Lana means to me!"

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 10:21 AM

The bizlana gave me a diferent intention from the writers. Not that they are spirutual twins I never implyed that, but I do belive Clark´s feelings and memories hold some weight in Bizarro´s decision.

The bizlana simply served to show that every man, beast and phantom falls in love with Lana because she is perfect.

BadToad - Your post makes a lot of sense. It seems to be the logical explanation.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:22 AM

DreadShamus

02-01-2008, 10:22 AM

I don't recall those said hugs.

Ditto

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:22 AM

[QUOTE=aqgalaxy;3570605]Clark blew the clouds away for in Sneeze?/QUOTE]

Lois brought the attention about the weather, he did it to mess with Lois.LOL
He did it so nothing stopped his date with Chloe!

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:23 AM

How did my simple statement start an arguement ?:p
you can't argue something w/ me, because I don't recall it. so let it go.lol

your quote:

I wonder if Clark has ever "initiated" the hugging, Chloe always seems to do the hugging.

You didn't pose this a question, so as to have someone help you recall instances where Clark initiated hugs with Chloe. You said that Chloe always does the hugging and I proceeded to tell you the statement was inaccurate.

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:24 AM

If you going to play the, "Oh I don't remember seeing that" card why start the argument in the first place?

I made a SIMPLE statement....MY opinion, and I didn't need/want anybody to "argue" it.

This thread is getting way OFF track....it's NOT about the one minute of Chlark in Persona.

Back to topic.................
The emotion Lana displayed was pretty intense, and I feel bad for her.

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 10:25 AM

Well, I think we know Bizarro isn't Clark...so I don't get the argument that because Bizarro disliked Chloe and was head over heels about Lana at this time in Clana's relationship post-Wrath mind you, that means Clark has no feelings for Chloe- if he is going to express his feelings exactly the way real Clark does, then Bizarro would have genuinly had feelings toward Chloe as a friend...he didn't. But I think we can all see by pretty much every episode that Clark does care deeply for Chloe, and the hurt he expressed when Chloe backed away from him and his 'look me in the eyes' and the hug...they do care for each other. If you are going to say that because Bizarro Clark didn't go treating Chloe like a sleeze...well, isn't that a good thing?

Oh, and Bizarro was more fearful of Chloe, because he knew that she knows Clark better than the other girls so he has to be more careful in the way he act around her.

But whatev....the difference between Chlark and Clana was made very clear in this episode by the way each reacted to real Clark's return and which knew him best, and who was trying to be like who to Clark 'See Clark I can hack too!'

Lois wasn't even mentioned in the episode so I don't see the point in discussing my opinion about her importance in Clark's life at this point.

myankskent

02-01-2008, 10:25 AM

Chlark came out strong. Chloe knew it wasn't Clark, while Lana loved the villain.

This is where I'm going to have to step in here. Why did Chloe know that it wasn't Clark? It was because Bizarro screwed up royally and forgot all about the shield. Then Chloe told Bizarro to go home and take a breather and that is when Bizarro forcefully grabbed her arm demanding that she tell him where the shield is. Then he tries to cover it up by saying that he was hoping that she could jog his memory. I said before this episode ever aired that I was going to be taking a close look at how Bizarro handled himself around both girls if I were to judge Lana and Chloe in this episode. I'm sorry, but I have to be fair here and say that Bizarro never did anything as bad with Lana as he did with Chloe. He was blatantly bad with Chloe and grabbing her arm was the icing on the cake. And if that wasn't enough, when Chloe confronted Lana about Bizarro's behavior, does she think to tell Lana about Bizarro grabbing her arm and scaring the **** out of her? No, she doesn't. It's possible that Lana would say something completely stupid in response to that like, "Chloe you're lying" or "Chloe, maybe Clark hates you and that's why he did that" but unfortunately we'll never know since Chloe never brought that up to Lana.

Bottom line here is this, perhaps the writers were trying to show that Chloe knows Clark more than Lana, but IMO, they had a lousy way of showing it because everything was handed to Chloe on a silver platter for Chloe after Bizarro put his hands on her. I would've liked to see the same happen for Lana and for her to brush it off like it was no big deal, but again, that never happened. It just came off as very contrived writing and that's pretty much across the board for the majority of this episode for me. JMHO.

aqgalaxy

02-01-2008, 10:25 AM

This thread is getting way OFF track....it's NOT about the one minute of Chlark in Persona.
At least it's a minute more then what Clois has been getting this season...

Yeah, I think Clark displayed emotions more as Bizarro then Clark. I didn't really feel bad for Lana, but you saw her wide eye shaking her head when Clark was saying it was a phantom.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:26 AM

Lab was near the mid, Progeny was near the end, Chloe visited Clark in Bizarro.

What about progeny and the only one I count from the other ones is the lake one, the fireplace one and Chloe visint Clark in Bizarro were more as plot advancement. In Bizarro it was about Lana and about Chloe´s return from death.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:27 AM

See but except for the lake thing in Sneeze (the second epi of the past season) the other ones are outside the range I gave which is two years (asuming each season covers a year´s span in SV). ANd the fire place thing is not a date, its just a set location, or what they are going to be at the DP every single time?? even AlMiles arent so monotonus

No, they are not out of the date range of which you speak. I am recalling instances from season 6 alone. I will not debate whether you think their time spent in front of the fireplace are "dates or not. Clearly they are spending free time together in those instances and they are not work related. You said you don't see examples of them spending time together other than working and I just gave examples. Are you saying that a person can't invite someone into their home for a date?:confused:

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 10:28 AM

I wonder if Clark has ever "initiated" the hugging, Chloe always seems to do the hugging.
.....
"They grasp as straws and see what they want to see"......can be applied to Chlarkers as well.:p

So I take it you missed "Labyrinth?" And that wasn't even the first time. More like a whole bag of straws, but okay.....

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:29 AM

Oh, and Bizarro was more fearful of Chloe, because he knew that she knows Clark better than the other girls so he has to be more careful in the way he act around her.

Yup he really showed that when he lost his cool and misstreted her.

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No, they are not out of the date range of which you speak. I am recalling instances from season 6 alone. I will not debate whether you think their time spent in front of the fireplace are "dates or not. Clearly they are spending free time together in those instances and they are not work related. You said you don't see examples of them spending time together other than working and I just gave examples. Are you saying that a person can't invite someone into their home for a date?:confused:

No Im saying those examples are plot related. The plot in Labyrinth was the AU Clark was in and what did they talk about in the fireplace??

I want examples like the Lake one, pure leasure get togethers, not something the writers cooked up to tell us something.

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 10:31 AM

In Progeny they were meant to meet for coffee in the morning but Chloe slept in.

In Bizarro it was about Lana and about Chloe´s return from death.

What is the point of giving these examples if they are going to be shrugged off as plot advancement. It was time spent together that wasn't working and that's what you asked for.

do3mire

02-01-2008, 10:32 AM

I really don't think this is chlark vs clana.
I think the writers intentionally wrote bizalana to hurt clark. To show another mini-love story.

IA. They've hurt each other many times before. Lex being the last one. But, this time it's Biz. How much more hurtful can it get when it's you yourself. The ugly truth during the Biz/Clark/Lana scene. Good stuff!

Yes but I don't remember her being scared of Clark as she was of Bizarro. Friends lose their patience with each other, they share harsh words, they even fight and it hasn't only been Clark losing his patience with Chloe. Chloe has told him what he doesn't want to hear on numerous occasions. Quite a contrast to Clana where they tiptoe around each other afraid of speaking their minds.

Well, that's the appeal of Chlark to me. They've had their ups and downs, but the fact they depend and support each other makes them the best developed relationship on the show for me. It's too bad they dont do Clex anymore because that was also a very well developed ship.

Dustmite, Take me back, please!! *crawling on hands and knees* :\

Personally, I don't believe Bizarro's reactions to people are any sort of conclusive reflection on Clark's feelings. He is aware of how Clark feels about people, it doesn't mean that Bizarro's own feelings have to be the same. I think the way they presented Bizarro on the show made him his own person totally, even while being in Clark's skin. He wasn't Clark's opposite, he wasn't Clark's spirtual or emotional twin. He was an entirely different entity. And therefore, IMO, his reactions to Lana, Lois or Chloe mean absolutely nothing to me.

Yes, well said. I dont agree with your last sentence. Biz was interesting to me throughout the epi. And, it just kept buidling up to his last moments alive. Nice!

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:32 AM

Bottom line here is this, perhaps the writers were trying to show that Chloe knows Clark more than Lana, but IMO, they had a lousy way of showing it because everything was handed to Chloe on a silver platter for Chloe after Bizarro put his hands on her. I would've liked to see the same happen for Lana and for her to brush it off like it was no big deal, but again, that never happened. JMHO.

Don't you think that these should have been red flags to Lana?

Clark saying he was giving up on finding Kara
Clark agreeing to join forces w/her to take down Lex
Clark being willing to have sex
Clark being willing to leave Smallville

DreadShamus

02-01-2008, 10:32 AM

This is where I'm going to have to step in here. Why did Chloe know that it wasn't Clark? It was because Bizarro screwed up royally and forgot all about the shield. Then Chloe told Bizarro to go home and take a breather and that is when Bizarro forcefully grabbed her arm demanding that she tell him where the shield is. Then he tries to cover it up by saying that he was hoping that she could jog his memory. I said before this episode ever aired that I was going to be taking a close look at how Bizarro handled himself around both girls if I were to judge Lana and Chloe in this episode. I'm sorry, but I have to be fair here and say that Bizarro never did anything as bad with Lana as he did with Chloe. He was blatantly bad with Chloe and grabbing her arm was the icing on the cake. And if that wasn't enough, when Chloe confronted Lana about Bizarro's behavior, does she think to tell Lana about Bizarro grabbing her arm and scaring the **** out of her? No, she doesn't. It's possible that Lana would say something completely stupid in response to that like, "Chloe you're lying" or "Chloe, maybe Clark hates you and that's why he did that" but unfortunately we'll never know since Chloe never brought that up to Lana.

Bottom line here is this, perhaps the writers were trying to show that Chloe knows Clark more than Lana, but IMO, they had a lousy way of showing it because everything was handed to Chloe on a silver platter for Chloe after Bizarro put his hands on her. I would've liked to see the same happen for Lana and for her to brush it off like it was no big deal, but again, that never happened. It just came off as very contrived writing and that's pretty much across the board for the majority of this episode for me. JMHO.

Chloe loves Clark for who he is, Lana loves Clark for who she wishes he would be.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:33 AM

In Progeny they were meant to meet for coffee in the morning but Chloe slept in.

What is the point of giving these examples if they are going to be shrugged off as plot advancement. It was time spent together that wasn't working and that's what you asked for.

Nope I even mentioned the lake scene so people would know what i meant.

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:35 AM

At least it's a minute more then what Clois has been getting this season...

You sound like a angry kid, on a playground.LOL
Clois doesn't need to be "tainted" by the Clana drama, so I'm relieved it's been on the down low.lol

I enjoyed the concern Chloe showed when she told CK that she took the shield. I believe she thought he might get upset.lol
I get tired of hearing how many times Chloe saves the BDA.....because we ALL know, that's Superman's job......yeah, yeah I know BDA ain't NO Superman, yet.LOL

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 10:35 AM

Yup he really showed that when he lost his cool and misstreted her.
.

Exactly because Chloe had caught on that he wasn;t acting like Clark would, and so he planned to run off to Paris with Lana so he could escape her suspicions. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:36 AM

No Im saying those examples are plot related. The plot in Labyrinth was the AU Clark was in and what did they talk about in the fireplace??

I want examples like the Lake one, pure leasure get togethers, not something the writers cooked up to tell us something.

Per canon, numerous coffee dates were mentioned. And using your reasoning, if a couple on a date discuss the events of the day or what happened at work--are they working? Of course they would talk about what just happened in Labryinth. Chloe heard Clark fall and didn't know what was going on. When she rushes to him, he hugs her like there would be no tomorrow. Then Clark makes the comment that Shelby saved his life. Why woudn't they talk about that?

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:38 AM

Chloe loves Clark for who he is, Lana loves Clark for who she wishes he would be.

I think Clark falling in love with her without even talking to her is a clear indication of this, he knew nothing about her except for her looks. I dont think Clark and Lana really know eachother. Perhaps that last scene meant Clark was doubting his feelings for Lana and Lana knowing she screwed the pooch

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 10:39 AM

I think Clark falling in love with her without even talking to her is a clear indication of this, he knew nothing about her except for her looks. I dont think Clark and Lana really know eachother. Perhaps that last scene meant Clark was doubting his feelings for Lana and Lana knowing she screwed the pooch

Oh...creepiness. I agree with you. :lol:

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 10:39 AM

Dustmite, Take me back, please!! *crawling on hands and knees* :\

*hugs* Aw, I can't give up on you even if you do jump ship. All is forgiven even if you do like the nasty Clana. *Mwah*

And I think this is where I'll exit the thread. I'm not going to spend time trying to defend the Chlark friendship. If you don't believe they're friends then thats fine.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:40 AM

You sound like a angry kid, on a playground.LOL
Clois doesn't need to be "tainted" by the Clana drama, so I'm relieved it's been on the down low.lol

I enjoyed the concern Chloe showed when she told CK that she took the shield. I believe she thought he might get upset.lol
I get tired of hearing how many times Chloe saves the BDA.....because we ALL know, that's Superman's job......yeah, yeah I know BDA ain't NO Superman, yet.LOL

MOD EDIT

DreadShamus

02-01-2008, 10:40 AM

Yeah, and on top of 'loving' Lana without really knowing her, she is a completely different person now. If he loved her for her old personality, then there is nothing there to love anymore. They should just have him start arguing with Lois all the time and in a few years he'll realize he really Loves someone. Lois.

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 10:40 AM

I've decided I'm going to be a Clana fan for now. I might as well put my boxes of kleenex to good use....

myankskent

02-01-2008, 10:41 AM

Don't you think that these should have been red flags to Lana?

Clark saying he was giving up on finding Kara
Clark agreeing to join forces w/her to take down Lex
Clark being willing to have sex
Clark being willing to leave Smallville

No, not on the same level as what Chloe encountered. I think that Chloe should know that Clark gave up on going after Kara as well, otherwise, Chloe would've been on him all during that month about trying to find Kara. As for taking down Lex, how is that something that Clark wouldn't do? At the end of Progeny, didn't I keep hearing a lot about how Chloe and Clark were going to team up to bring Lex down as soon as Lana was out of danger? So no, that's not out of character. If Bizarro said that he was going to kill Lex or torture him, that's a red flag, IMO.

As for leaving Smallville and having sex, well, here's the deal there. We never saw what went into Lana's decision to have sex with Bizarro, that happened offscreen so it's hard for me to judge something that I never saw. If Lana immediately jumped in the sack with Bizarro without bringing up the fact that he has had concerns about them having sex to clear the air, then I would consider that a red flag. But when it comes down to it, if Lana should raise an eyebrow about Clark being in love and happy with her, then what's really being said here is that Lana should not trust that Clark loves her and believe that Clark is lying to her and essentially using her by claiming to be happy with her. That's also saying that Lana doesn't have a high opinion of Clark at all and I could definitely see her taking massive amounts of heat from people if that were the case. YMMV.

harryandginnyfanatic

02-01-2008, 10:42 AM

its over.

I don't think Clana are over yet.

They're probably just gonna have a few things to sort out before realising that Clark's destiny is too important to be sacrificed for their own happiness.

I want Clark to grow a pair and say pretty much what Oliver said. "There's more important things in this world than what I want. And what I love."

DreadShamus

02-01-2008, 10:44 AM

No, not on the same level as what Chloe encountered. I think that Chloe should know that Clark gave up on going after Kara as well, otherwise, Chloe would've been on him all during that month about trying to find Kara. As for taking down Lex, how is that something that Clark wouldn't do? At the end of Progeny, didn't I keep hearing a lot about how Chloe and Clark were going to team up to bring Lex down as soon as Lana was out of danger? So no, that's not out of character. If Bizarro said that he was going to kill Lex or torture him, that's a red flag, IMO.

When has Clark tried to 'bring down' Lex? He is always willing to stop Lex, in the desperate hope Lex can still be saved, but I don't recall him ever crossing to the side of bringing him down completely.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:44 AM

Per canon, numerous coffee dates were mentioned. And using your reasoning, if a couple on a date discuss the events of the day or what happened at work--are they working? Of course they would talk about what just happened in Labryinth. Chloe heard Clark fall and didn't know what was going on. When she rushes to him, he hugs her like there would be no tomorrow. Then Clark makes the comment that Shelby saved his life. Why woudn't they talk about that?

Im sure that in their lake date they talked about the events in Sneeze but it wasnt the point of the date for us to learn something, a way for the writers to tell something plot related to the audience, it was a date meant for us viewers to see that Chloe and Clark are friends and are not just all about work.

But take the movie example I was asking for: we have two alternatives we see them going to the movies and thats it, then I would count it as a date meant as one, now if they go to the movies and in a scene of the movie we see Chloe and Clark finding a solution the´ve been trying to find then its a plot development date I wouldnt count.

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=harryandginnyfanatic;3570660]I don't think Clana are over yet.

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They are suppose to be together til the end of the season...or at least Veritas, I think. So me neither. But that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be a happy couple anymore after this....although with Bizarro being able to have sex with Lana....why wouldn't Clark now?

DreadShamus

02-01-2008, 10:44 AM

I don't think Clana are over yet.

They're probably just gonna have a few things to sort out before realising that Clark's destiny is too important to be sacrificed for their own happiness.

I want Clark to grow a pair and say pretty much what Oliver said. "There's more important things in this world than what I want. And what I love."

AMEN!

jazel

02-01-2008, 10:44 AM

Why are you always calling other posters children, kids, kiddo, or immature? That shows how immature you are and incapable of having a logical fact based discussion. And since you only watch the show for Lois, why bother watching and commenting on epi's that you know she will not be in?

I was talking to aqgalaxy/Amber, NOT you !:lol:
I like SV in general, and it's a free country.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:48 AM

No, not on the same level as what Chloe encountered. I think that Chloe should know that Clark gave up on going after Kara as well, otherwise, Chloe would've been on him all during that month about trying to find Kara.

If you can't comment on offscreenville then this is purely speculation.

As for taking down Lex, how is that something that Clark wouldn't do? At the end of Progeny, didn't I keep hearing a lot about how Chloe and Clark were going to team up to bring Lex down as soon as Lana was out of danger? So no, that's not out of character. If Bizarro said that he was going to kill Lex or torture him, that's a red flag, IMO.

Help me out here. I don't recall Clark ever discussing the idea of teaming up to take down Lex with Lana.

As for leaving Smallville and having sex, well, here's the deal there. We never saw what went into Lana's decision to have sex with Bizarro, that happened offscreen so it's hard for me to judge something that I never saw. If Lana immediately jumped in the sack with Bizarro without bringing up the fact that he has had concerns about them having sex to clear the air, then I would consider that a red flag. But when it comes down to it, if Lana should raise an eyebrow about Clark being in love and happy with her, then what's really being said here is that Lana should not trust that Clark loves her and believe that Clark is lying to her and essentially using her by claiming to be happy with her. That's pretty much saying that Lana doesn't have a high opinion of Clark at all and I could definitely see her taking massive amounts of heat from people if that were the case. YMMV.

Sex, or the lack of it, has been an issue with these two since he regained his powers in season five. Even when they got together in the current season, it was still an issue. Clark didn't think it was safe. So to suddenly start becoming intimate should have raised a tinge of suspicion. All of these things in conjunction with Chloe telling her that he wasn't acting like himself should have indicated something to Lana.

myankskent

02-01-2008, 10:49 AM

When has Clark tried to 'bring down' Lex? He is always willing to stop Lex, in the desperate hope Lex can still be saved, but I don't recall him ever crossing to the side of bringing him down completely.

At the end of "Progeny" he did. He said that Lex was in his crosshairs and that the war with him was about to begin. Even though Lana didn't hear this specifically, I can't agree that it would be out of character for Clark to want to take down Lex if he felt that he was becoming a major threat to the world.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:50 AM

Im sure that in their lake date they talked about the events in Sneeze but it wasnt the point of the date for us to learn something, a way for the writers to tell something plot related to the audience, it was a date meant for us viewers to see that Chloe and Clark are friends and are not just all about work.

But take the movie example I was asking for: we have two alternatives we see them going to the movies and thats it, then I would count it as a date meant as one, now if they go to the movies and in a scene of the movie we see Chloe and Clark finding a solution the´ve been trying to find then its a plot development date I wouldnt count.

So canon, which so many like to refer to, means nothing to you because you didn't see it?
There is no point in my discussing this with you any further.

msleggie

02-01-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Kal-ed
I think Clark falling in love with her without even talking to her is a clear indication of this, he knew nothing about her except for her looks. I dont think Clark and Lana really know eachother. Perhaps that last scene meant Clark was doubting his feelings for Lana and Lana knowing she screwed the pooch

I completely agree with what you said, those two don't know anything about each other. This episode also proved that Lana is just a little to self absorbed for Clark, Bizzaro worshiped the ground Lana walked on, and the real Clark focuses on more than just her and I think that bothers Lana a lot. Those two should not be together, the silence in the bedroom spoke volumes, if I was Clark, I wouldn't have gotten in that bed.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:51 AM

And I think this is where I'll exit the thread. I'm not going to spend time trying to defend the Chlark friendship. If you don't believe they're friends then thats fine.

Perhaps given some deabates in this forums people are a bit defensive and perhaps jumped on me too quick, cause I would never hint that Chlark are not friends and my words put in a proper context would show I dont lie. Its undoubtable that Clark and Chloe a best friends in fact not two days ago I was complaining about Clark not having male friends and that his best friend and second best friend and so on are all girls. Not that having girls as friends is a bad thing but Clark needs to see a football match pronto, or he´s going to start growing boobs:lol:

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:51 AM

I want Clark to grow a pair and say pretty much what Oliver said. "There's more important things in this world than what I want. And what I love."

Oooohhh. That's so Spiderman-like.:)

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I was talking to aqgalaxy/Amber, NOT you !:lol:
I like SV in general, and it's a free country.

You said that you wouldn't be watching the show if it weren't for Lois. So I can't understand why you are watching the episodes without her or always talking about Chloe and Clark.

do3mire

02-01-2008, 10:53 AM

I've decided I'm going to be a Clana fan for now. I might as well put my boxes of kleenex to good use....

Can I join you? :)

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:53 AM

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 10:53 AM

So canon, which so many like to refer to, means nothing to you because you didn't see it?
There is no point in my discussing this with you any further.

no point since you cant understand my point of view. Im not denying those dates happened (that would be canon meaning nothing to me), but from my perspective their friendship wasnt the main point of thos dates but advancing/exposing the plot, its just a diferent interpretation of canon not ignoring it, I dont know why people get so upset in this thread just cause other people dont feel/think like them, its like me getting angry cause someone likes Clana or Chlark, I might not understand how they can like them but I respect it.

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 10:56 AM

At the end of "Progeny" he did. He said that Lex was in his crosshairs and that the war with him was about to begin. Even though Lana didn't hear this specifically, I can't agree that it would be out of character for Clark to want to take down Lex if he felt that he was becoming a major threat to the world.

But with LANA! I mean.... LANA! Also just the way Clark was talking was completely different...his voice was deep, and he was speaking so boldly, plus Clark's always been shy about sex and stuff....and Clark being willing to leave behind not only Chloe but his family in the US (Martha in DC and Kara) to elope with Lana in Paris, and a lightbulb didn't go off?

I just think as Clark's 'one true love' who he'd be willing to spend the rest of his life with, she should know him better than Chloe or if not then at least enough to recognize when he's not acting like himself. And considering she doesn't, it's just pathetic imo.

:)

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Can I join you? :)

Here: Have a box of kleenex and a bottle of Clanough syrup... :lol:

Kalista

02-01-2008, 10:59 AM

no point since you cant understand my point of view. Im not denying those dates happened (that would be canon meaning nothing to me), but from my perspective their friendship wasnt the main point of thos dates but advancing/exposing the plot.

So what is the purpose of the dates that were specifically mentioned but took place offscreen? If they took place offscreen they don't really serve as a means to advance a plot. They are mentioned to demonstrate the amount and type of time Clark and Chloe spend together.

myankskent

02-01-2008, 11:00 AM

If you can't comment on offscreenville then this is purely speculation.

I don't think that it's speculation at all. Chloe didn't ask Clark once about Kara in "Persona". It never came up and if Chloe knows Clark better than anyone, then she should know that finding Kara would be his top priority over everything else. Isn't that what Lana is being blamed for here? That she should realize that Clark would never just give up on Kara?

Help me out here. I don't recall Clark ever discussing the idea of teaming up to take down Lex with Lana.

I was talking about the scene in "Progeny" with Chloe. Clark has discussed killing Lex before in front of Lana. That was in "Vessel". Obviously, those were extraordinary circumstances though.

Sex, or the lack of it, has been an issue with these two since he regained his powers in season five. Even when they got together in the current season, it was still an issue. Clark didn't think it was safe. So to suddenly start becoming intimate should have raised a tinge of suspicion. All of these things in conjunction with Chloe telling her that he wasn't acting like himself should have indicated something to Lana.

But again, Lana's decision to sleep with Bizarro was not shown. It is not something that would come up in "Persona" either since the decision was made prior to that point, unlike Clark's search for Kara which should come up all of the time if Clark was still trying to find her and placing that above everything else. Chloe's first words to Clark at the DP would be about asking him how his search for Kara is going, that is if Chloe wasn't told by Clark that he gave up on his search, IMO.

Kal-ed

02-01-2008, 11:01 AM

So what is the purpose of the dates that were specifically mentioned but took place offscreen? If they took place offscreen they don't really serve as a means to advance a plot. They are mentioned to demonstrate the amount and type of time Clark and Chloe spend together.

I dont know what dates you are talking about and when they were mentioned. Even if Im wrong and there have been dates here and there, its an undeniable canon fact that since Chloe learned of Clark´s secret they´r relationship turned more and more like hero-sidekick and even progressed to the point where Chloe calls herself Clark´s sidekick and does research for clark even without him asking for it. Now I dont think its a bad thing at least in general terms but I think theyr relationship´s been kind of stuck in that dynamic, ok maybe not in offscreenville where they aparently meet quite often, still I cant judge a show based on what happens OFFSCREEN and in the episodes Ive seen 90-95% if the time Clark and Chloe are in Hero-Sidekick mode.

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 11:05 AM

So what is the purpose of the dates that were specifically mentioned but took place offscreen? If they took place offscreen they don't really serve as a means to advance a plot. They are mentioned to demonstrate the amount and type of time Clark and Chloe spend together.

About that...it does seem that in previous seasons including season 6, Clark and Chloe spent alot of time in offscreenville that was mentioned not only by themselves but other characters like Jimmy and Lana....

But in since Bizarro came- I'm surprised that it made it seem like 'Clark' (well, Bizarro as him) and Chloe might have gone a couple weeks without talking to each other during the past month or two....that just seems a bit OOC...I don't know...

Kalista

02-01-2008, 11:06 AM

I don't think that it's speculation at all. Chloe didn't ask Clark once about Kara in "Persona". It never came up and if Chloe knows Clark better than anyone, then she should know that finding Kara would be his top priority over everything else. Isn't that what Lana is being blamed for here? That she should realize that Clark would never just give up on Kara?

Again, you cannot speculate on this quite yet. Wait for the next Kara-centric episode. I can't remember....does Chloe know Kara is missing? Has Clark discussed this w/Chloe?

I was talking about the scene in "Progeny" with Chloe. Clark has discussed killing Lex before in front of Lana. That was in "Vessel". Obviously, those were extraoridinary circumstances though.

But my point is, Clark would most likely not team up with Lana to do this.

But again, Lana's decision to sleep with Bizarro was not shown. It is not something that would come up in "Persona" either since the decision was made prior to that point, unlike Clark's search for Kara which should come up all of the time if Clark was still trying to find her and placing that above everything else, IMO.

How can you say that Chloe should have asked about Kara in Persona but it isn't necessary for Lana to discuss the issue of sex w/Clark in Persona?:confused:

Lostfan588

02-01-2008, 11:07 AM

[QUOTE=myankskent;3570705]....if Chloe knows Clark better than anyone, then she should know that finding Kara would be his top priority over everything else. Isn't that what Lana is being blamed for here? That she should realize that Clark would never just give up on Kara?QUOTE]

She might not know everything....but who on the show knows Clark better than Chloe? I don't even think Martha does. :lol:

myankskent

02-01-2008, 11:14 AM

But my point is, Clark would most likely not team up with Lana to do this.

Clark is not a machine. His feelings do change from time to time. Back in season 3, I never thought that Clark would actually trust the advice of Lionel Luthor, but look how that has changed. My point is, I don't think that it's a stretch to think that Clark would take Lana's research from her foundation and put it to good use to stop a very bad guy out there, Brainiac. After all, that is what Bizana were trying to do in "Persona" were they not? The quest to take down Lex seemed to have ended or was put on a temporary hiatus because Brainiac popped up. Obviously Lana didn't know Bizarro's true intentions regarding Brainiac because he was manipulating her.

How can you say that Chloe should have asked about Kara in Persona but it isn't necessary for Lana to discuss the issue of sex w/Clark in Persona?:confused:

Because the decision to have sex is not something that would be talked about every single day. Kara's investigation would be ongoing unless she were found or Clark gave up on his search, IMO. Plus, there was a golden opportunity for Chloe to bring Kara up. Bizarro walked into the DP saying that he needed to find a kryptonian scientist. IMO, if Chloe knew that Clark was trying to find Kara, she would've said something like, "Why are you searching for another kryptonian now when you're still trying to find Kara? Is this scientist connected to what happened to Kara?" To me, that's something that Chloe would say. YMMV.

Dustmite

02-01-2008, 11:17 AM

Can I join you? :)

:mad: I thought I was over it but I'm not.

Here: Have a box of kleenex and a bottle of Clanough syrup...

You pair of Judas's...you..*splutters in rage*

*Stomps out of thread and slams door*

Not that having girls as friends is a bad thing but Clark needs to see a football match pronto, or he´s going to start growing boobs

Since I was forced to come back to the thread (glares at do3mire and lostfan) I'll address this bit of your post: I'm a girl and I love footy (soccer that is, not American football) :)

Kalista

02-01-2008, 11:19 AM

Because the decision to have sex is not something that would be talked about every single day. Kara's investigation would be ongoing unless she were found or Clark gave up on his search, IMO.

You didn't answer my question. Does Chloe know that Kara is missing?

myankskent

02-01-2008, 11:22 AM

You didn't answer my question. Does Chloe know that Kara is missing?

Well, he told Lana that Kara was missing. Chloe also knew at the beginning of "Gemini" that Clark was up at the fortress so yes, I would have to assume that Clark told her that he went up there to find Kara, unless he lied to Chloe about his trip up there and told Lana the truth.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 11:29 AM

Well, he told Lana that Kara was missing. Chloe also knew at the beginning of "Gemini" that Clark was up at the fortress so yes, I would have to assume that Clark told her that he went up there to find Kara, unless he lied to Chloe about his trip up there and told Lana the truth.

Well, Chloe doesn't know then, right? So isn't your entire argument that Chloe should have been on top of Clark about find Kara all speculation? It would be in character for Chloe to do so. But if we don't have definitive proof that Chloe knows Kara is missing at this point, you cannot use that as a basis to say that Chloe should have been suspicious that Clark gave up on searching for Kara. (run on sentence..sorry) Or that Chloe witnessed more red flags. It appears that Bizarro was spending way more time with Lana, so Lana would have witnessed the most unusual behavior. You say that the evidence was handed to her but that is not necessarily the case. It may appear that way because, Chloe hasn't seen BizClark for a while, and right off the back she is experiencing several behaviors that are completely out of character for him. The way it was written may give you this impression, but both ladies received numerous red flags-just in a different space of time. One lady knew Clark well enough to pick up on it.

myankskent

02-01-2008, 11:33 AM

Well, Chloe doesn't know then, right? So isn't your entire argument that Chloe should have been on top of Clark about find Kara all speculation? It would be in character for Chloe to do so. But if we don't have definitive proof that Chloe knows Kara is missing at this point, you cannot use that as a basis to say that Chloe should have been suspicious that Clark gave up on searching for Kara. (run on sentence..sorry)

Wait a minute here. Are you saying that you'd rather think that Clark lied to Chloe about why he was going to the fortress and told Lana the truth rather than think that Clark was honest to Chloe about why he was going up there? I don't understand that argument, especially if Clark and Chloe are so close. It would be out of character for Clark to lie to Chloe in that situation as well.

It appears that Bizarro was spending way more time with Lana, so Lana would have witnessed the most unusual behavior.

IF Bizarro had a memory issue when he was with Lana and made matters worse by grabbing her forcefully, which is what he did to Chloe.

tariksam

02-01-2008, 11:36 AM

Why on earth Chloe wouldn't know about Kara being missing?? Clark trusts her completely even I dare to say more than Lana.

If Clark didn't tell her that.....what's the point of that so called trust??? And that would have been a strike against Chloe cause then she is slowly being left out for Lana.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 11:37 AM

Wait a minute here. Are you saying that you'd rather think that Clark lied to Chloe about why he was going to the fortress and told Lana the truth rather than think that Clark was honest to Chloe about why he was going up there? I don't understand that argument, especially if Clark and Chloe are so close. It would be out of character for Clark to lie to Chloe in that situation as well.

No, that's not what I am saying. I am saying that we don't know if Clark told Chloe about Kara. If we don't know if she knows, you cannot speculate on how she should have reacted to Kara's disappearance in Persona. You can't have it both ways. Either you cannot speculate on onffscreenville or you can.
You say that you can't use offscreenville to support an argument if it will support your opponent's POV. But when it fits your argument, you have no qualms about using it. That's all I'm saying.

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Why on earth Chloe wouldn't know about Kara being missing?? Clark trusts her completely even I dare to say more than Lana.

If Clark didn't tell her that.....what's the point of that so called trust??? And that would have been a strike against Chloe cause then she is slowly being left out for Lana.

Has it been addressed on the show? Again, I can't remember. So if they have had this discussion or it has been implied on the show, tell me which scene to watch.

myankskent

02-01-2008, 11:42 AM

No, that's not what I am saying. I am saying that we don't know if Clark told Chloe about Kara. If we don't know if she knows, you cannot speculate on how she should have reacted to Kara's disappearance in Persona. You can't have it both ways. Either you cannot speculate on onffscreenville or you can.

This is not speculating on offscreenville, this is taking pieces of canon and putting it all together. Canon...Clark went up to the fortress to find Kara. Canon...Clark told Lana that he was going up to the fortress to find Kara. Canon..Chloe knew that Clark was up at the fortress. So what you're basically saying here is that if Chloe had no idea why Clark was up at the fortress or thought he was up there for another reason, then Clark lied to her but he did tell Lana the truth about his trip. If that is what you take out of that scene, I can't argue with that but all this is doing is knocking the Chlark friendship, IMO.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 12:02 PM

Chloe knew that Clark was up at the fortress. So what you're basically saying here is that if Chloe had no idea why Clark was up at the fortress or thought he was up there for another reason, then Clark lied to her but he did tell Lana the truth about his trip. If that is what you take out of that scene, I can't argue with that but all this is doing is knocking the Chlark friendship, IMO.

I'm going to have to go back and watch the episodes. I cannot remember. Which epi did he tell Chloe that he was going to the FOS?

tariksam

02-01-2008, 12:05 PM

Smallvillebabe08

02-01-2008, 12:12 PM

This episode was great

myankskent

02-01-2008, 12:15 PM

In Gemini Chloe called Clark and left a voice mail saying that Lana told her that they settled things down before he headed it to the fortress and that she was tired of lying telling that he was on Minessota

Right, I was looking for a transcript to get the exact details but couldn't find one. I guess that Clark didn't tell Chloe that he was going to the fortress, he only told Lana but Lana told Chloe. So Chloe knew that Clark went there to find Kara.

berniepooh

02-01-2008, 12:18 PM

I think Biz had grown comfortable in "Clark's shoes" and the idea of Clark's return set him on edge. In the 'Bizarro' epi he told Clark "You don't deserve this life; but I do." I think Biz became impatient with Chloe because he wanted to find "the shield" ASAP and secure his hold on Lana and his life on earth - permanently.

tariksam

02-01-2008, 12:23 PM

Right, I was looking for a transcript to get the exact details but couldn't find one. I guess that Clark didn't tell Chloe that he was going to the fortress, he only told Lana but Lana told Chloe. So Chloe knew that Clark went there to find Kara.

Well it could be that Clark did tell Chloe but before going to the fortress he stopped to talk with Lana.

I mean that was the vibe I got that Clark just decided to talk with Lana first before go. Cause frankly I don't see why Clark wouldn't tell Chloe but to Lana yes.

Well bottom Line Chloe knew.

Kalista

02-01-2008, 12:29 PM

Well bottom Line Chloe knew.

Again. I don't see the proof in anything you have stated. I will re watch the episode. Who was Chloe supposedly lying to about Clark being in Minnesota?

tariksam

02-01-2008, 12:35 PM

I start over:

- Clark talk with Lana, they made up.
- Lana talked with Chloe about settle things down before HE went to the fortress
- Two weeks Later. Chloe calls Clark telling him by the cell phone that Lana told her that before HE went to the fortress they (Clark and Lana) worked things out.
- Chloe says she is tired of telling people Clark is in Minnesota (she tells later to Lois Clark is with Kara on Minnesota spending the holiday) that she doesn't know if she should be angry or worried.

She knew that Clark was on the fortress, whether Clark or Lana told her, she knew

Epiosde Gemini, the first Chloe scene.

oldblackmagick

02-01-2008, 12:36 PM

the only thing that kills me is that biz was hanging around for a month having no idea where clark was...or when he would be back. They made it sound like biz wanted to kill clark in spoilers and tv guide description but not once did he even try cause he didn't even know clark was in the FOS when he went there looking for the shield. he was just as happy letting clark be away while he played and saw no need to seek him out and kill him.

kentfamily

02-02-2008, 09:47 PM

Those emotions displayed and played by the two actors were great!

That last scene was done well by the two actors. Clark's look was that of hurt and felt cheated. Then Lana with her kind of begging and forgive me look. That was awesome!
Great ending and the song was even better playing along with the scene. It was well done!

Kalista

02-04-2008, 07:42 AM

Right, I was looking for a transcript to get the exact details but couldn't find one. I guess that Clark didn't tell Chloe that he was going to the fortress, he only told Lana but Lana told Chloe. So Chloe knew that Clark went there to find Kara.

Until I see further proof. I stand by my original argument that Chloe did not necessarily know that Kara was missing and that BizClark had given up looking for her.

RepairmanBob

02-04-2008, 08:13 AM

Personally, I don't believe Bizarro's reactions to people are any sort of conclusive reflection on Clark's feelings. He is aware of how Clark feels about people, it doesn't mean that Bizarro's own feelings have to be the same. I think the way they presented Bizarro on the show made him his own person totally, even while being in Clark's skin. He wasn't Clark's opposite, he wasn't Clark's spirtual or emotional twin. He was an entirely different entity. And therefore, IMO, his reactions to Lana, Lois or Chloe mean absolutely nothing to me.This is also what I saw, BadToad. I don't recall any episodes where Clark wanted to physically remove the internal organs of others, or showed a deep-seeded desire to burn people to death with his heat vision. SV!Bizarro was a much different creature than ClassicBizarro, and I do not think he can be used a measurement of Clark's true feelings.

Now, the Bizana/Clana is another issue entirely. Jimmyolsenblues nailed this IMO - is was a plot device by the writers to insert angst into Clana and make Clark feel bad. Everyone loves Lana. Clark loves Lana. Lex loves Lana. Chloe loves Lana (like a sister). Lionel loves Lana. Zod loves Lana. Bizarro loves Lana. Random meteor freaks love Lana. Normal human stalkers love Lana. I am surprised Brainiac does not love Lana. (Maybe he has had his fill of needy, petite women.) Clark's evil double is less a reflection of Clark's true feelings than it is a sign of Al and Miles disturbing vision of a world where everything revolves around a shiny haired simpleton. YMMV.

berniepooh

02-04-2008, 01:26 PM

OUCH!! That's harsh. Are we......bitter????

tariksam

02-05-2008, 07:09 AM

Until I see further proof. I stand by my original argument that Chloe did not necessarily know that Kara was missing and that BizClark had given up looking for her.

Well then good for you that then live better thinking Clark has lost trust on Chloe not telling her Kara was missing. The proof is there, is ridiculous to think Chloe would know about Clark on the fortress and not about WHY Clark went there....but whatever

He told Lana and not Chloe. Either way both scenarios are bad for Chloe:

1. If Chloe doesn't know Kara is missing. Bad for Chloe.... because Clark now has a new confident and Chloe is not THAT necessary
2. If its the second and Chloe DID know Kara is missing, then Chloe is an idiot thinking Clark would give up looking for Kara and rather be in his house "doing" Lana.

Kalista

02-05-2008, 07:10 AM

aqgalaxy

02-05-2008, 07:26 AM

Well then good for you that then live better thinking Clark has lost trust on Chloe not telling her Kara was missing. The proof is there, is ridiculous to think Chloe would know about Clark on the fortress and not about WHY Clark went there....but whatever

He told Lana and not Chloe. Either way both scenarios are bad for Chloe:

1. If Chloe doesn't know Kara is missing. Bad for Chloe.... because Clark now has a new confident and Chloe is not THAT necessary
2. If its the second and Chloe DID know Kara is missing, then Chloe is an idiot thinking Clark would give up looking for Kara and rather be in his house "doing" Lana.

Well Chloe covered for both Kara and Clark when they were missing for 2 weeks. So Chloe did know they were missing. Then Clark returned and we don't know if Clark told her or not. We can't just assume he didn't just because we didn't see it on screen for the Chlana reunion happened offscreen as did Chloe's practice on controlling her power.

Here's the thing, did Chloe and or Lana tell Clark about Brainiac's return?

tariksam

02-05-2008, 07:53 AM

That is what I am saying. I don't know how you just can assume Clark didn't tell Chloe Kara is missing, Considering how close Clark and Chloe are I found really weird that Clark told Lana and didn't tell Chloe.

Bizarro must have told Chloe a hell of a lie to justify he just stopped to looking for Kara. Cause is not a Clark-thing-to-do just let Kara go.

Brianiac: I don't think there e were exactly time for that, I think is one of those thing that will fall in off screenville, Lana probably was more concerned that she screwed a clone and like it. And with Chloe well I think we pretty much saw the Clark/Chloe interaction, he arrived Chloe told about the shield Clark left, Clark talked with KryptonianJimmy etc

diinIN

02-05-2008, 09:04 AM

that scene was awkward, but in a "what the crap is going on?!" kind of way. that scene didn't make any sense to me and felt very out of place.

How could it not make sense to you? Did you not watch the rest of the episode? Lana was disturbed that she'd fallen in love with the wrong guy, and Clark was hurt by the same. How did you miss that?

It was anything but out of place. It was perfect, acted perfectly, and set to perfect music.