clana ending

[miks]

That end scene was absolutely amazing! It shows how much Clark is disappointed and how much they don't belong together! What do you guys think?

[hemmy]

I really couldn't tell what the heck was going on

[SmallvilleMan]

I think you have some chlark in your eyes............Especially seeing as how Clark blamed himself when he came back.

[thehenry89]

I can defintley see clana coming to an end in the near future. that end scene was just way too awkward.

[miks]

just because he blamed himself doesn't mean he's not upset! He's probably p-o-ed that she slept with bizarro, and if he doesn't know that, which he probably does, then he's probably upset she couldn't tell the difference between the two.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Clana is not over, from what KK has said:)

[jazel]

LOL......ewwwwwwwww....how can he even sleep in the SAME bed ? hahahaha....she loves a phantom better than the true CK....that's why Clana was never meant to be.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I really feel bad for clark.
The showing that bizarro and lana were naked and clark and lana were dressed, i am so sure, something happened and it was not nothing. I feel bad for clark. yeeessssh.

[SmallvilleMan]

Hahahhahaha and that's why Chlark never was:rotfl:

[MetroGirl06]

It looked really awkward between them. And is that his parents bed? 'Cuz the last time I checked he had a smaller bed.. Thats a bit off topic, but yeah, the clana is strained. Lana is probably thinking if she made the right choice.

[miks]

that's the crappy part! They should def. be over after that terrible mess, yet here we go again with this crap of a relationship

I wouldn't mind them if it wasn't so obvious they shouldn't be together

[oldblackmagick]

for sure wondering if she sent her prince charming to death :D:D

[minerva73]

Does it really show that they don't belong together? Or that now they're made for each other? They hide secrets from each other and don't look past the surface in their relationship. They need to accept that and move on.

And if Clark just leaves Lana like that, then won't he feel that if he can't please Lana like Bizarro did, then he basically has no hope with some other female. Who's to say that a clone can't just come up and do that with the next girl that Clark is with?

[SmallvilleMan]

The only reason you don't think they should be together and because you know they don't end up together.

[amberdawn]

LOL......ewwwwwwwww....how can he even sleep in the SAME bed ? hahahaha....she loves a phantom better than the true CK....that's why Clana was never meant to be.

:lol: Yep.

[miks]

:D Did anyone else she looked sad when Biz died?! hehe

[luvinChlark]

I can defiantly see Clana coming to end. I could tell when she was talking to Bizarro, she meant every word of it. Else she wouldn't have waited to hit him with the blue K. She LOVES Bizarro, Not Clark. The same goes for Clark, he doesn't love Lana. He just hopes and wishes he does, for some crazy reason. Even Bizarro said it. It's backwards, duh! Bizarro love Lana, that means Clark doesn't.

[niki]

I really feel bad for clark.
The showing that bizarro and lana were naked and clark and lana were dressed, i am so sure, something happened and it was not nothing. I feel bad for clark. yeeessssh.

Saaame here, I felt so bad for Clark.
Especially when she was doing that ploy with "you're right, I have been happier" and Clark just stands there helpless. I was just like, "Gahhh, Clark!" and it's sad, because I adore all three ships but Clana used to be my favourite. In this episode, it just seemed so misplaced and the ending was so awkward.

Poor Clark :(

[SmallvilleMan]

"she meant every word of it. "


I'm sure you could, just like I can tell what the weather will be next month.:lol:

[jazel]

:D Did anyone else she looked sad when Biz died?! hehe
He LOVED her, she LOVED him....for an entire month.....she should have his phantom baby.lol

[minerva73]

that's the crappy part! They should def. be over after that terrible mess, yet here we go again with this crap of a relationship

I wouldn't mind them if it wasn't so obvious they shouldn't be together

Why should they be over now? Why not in "Wrath"? Lana forgave Clark for being so happy with her in "Wrath" when they talked at the end of the episode, so if Clark's gonna be a child about it and break up with her now, then there's really no hope for our BDA with Lois... He needs to accept what happened, go on with Clana, break up happily, and then go to Lois. :)

[erikamichelle614]

clana is definitely over.

[jazel]

Does it really show that they don't belong together? Or that now they're made for each other? They hide secrets from each other and don't look past the surface in their relationship. They need to accept that and move on.

And if Clark just leaves Lana like that, then won't he feel that if he can't please Lana like Bizarro did, then he basically has no hope with some other female. Who's to say that a clone can't just come up and do that with the next girl that Clark is with?

BUT Clark wouldn't name the love of his life w/ that Kryptonian.......major indicator that w/ Lana he has ALWAYS hesitiated. But the guy found his Grace, CK just needs more time to grow-up.

[miks]

The only reason you don't think they should be together and because you know they don't end up together.

I don't get it.

I don't think they should be together because they know **** about each other. Clark "fell in love with her" from spying on her through his telescope. What he thought was the girl next door perfect lovey dovey type. But he was wrong. She didn't know him either. They both kept secrets from each other, that's not a healthy relationship, to say the least. I don't care if they don't end up together, if he's meant for lois. I don't even like Clois. But the point is they shouldn't be together because from the very beginning everything about it was wrong. I can understand him hiding his secret, I didn't complain in the beginning, but after she slept with Lex! Come on! It should have been wayy over after that!

[clana4everfan2]

Poor Clark and Lana.. Ugh how awkward was that at the end. Boo hoo Clana :(

[SmallvilleMan]

"Why should they be over now? Why not in "Wrath"? Lana forgave Clark for being so happy with her in "Wrath" when they talked at the end of the episode, so if Clark's gonna be a child about it and break up with her now, then there's really no hope for our BDA with Lois... He needs to accept what happened, go on with Clana, break up happily, and then go to Lois"


Exactly, but that makes too much sense for this thread:rolleyes:

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"BUT Clark wouldn't name the love of his life w/ that Kryptonian.......major indicator that w/ Lana he has ALWAYS hesitiated. But the guy found his Grace, CK just needs more time to grow-up."


So what if he didn't name Lana? Does the guy know Lana? No, then what does it matter if he says nothing or says Lana?

[miks]

they should have been over a long time ago! They don't have to end on good terms! She didn't care about clark's feelings when she slept with lex, his enemy. So why should they end on good terms?

[WickedJenn]

Well, in that last scene, you could cut that tension with a knife. What Bizarro said to both of them before he "broke" MUST have been running through their heads.

[Chlarkislove]

"Why should they be over now? Why not in "Wrath"? Lana forgave Clark for being so happy with her in "Wrath" when they talked at the end of the episode, so if Clark's gonna be a child about it and break up with her now, then there's really no hope for our BDA with Lois... He needs to accept what happened, go on with Clana, break up happily, and then go to Lois"


Exactly, but that makes too much sense for this thread:rolleyes:


There's a difference between lying, stealing and cheating. Cheating is something that's hard to forgive, and she's supposed to know him so well to know that it wasn't him, but she was too wrapped up in her happy little bubble to see that it wasn't him.

[6-Super-Man -5]

That was a funny ending, I feel bad for Clark for having a relationship with Lana

[WickedJenn]

Lana's words to Chloe sure bit her in the arse eh?

[luvinChlark]

"she meant every word of it. "


I'm sure you could, just like I can tell what the weather will be next month.:lol:


Are you blind? Lana loves Bizarro, she was happy with him. Everything she said to bizarro in the end was true. And now I think she wishes she never killed him, because Clark won't sleep with her.

[miks]

And why would clark feel that way? Because he's stupid? Yeah I agree with that, but he shouldn't feel that way. He should actually realize that their relationship was based on lies and think that biz was what she wanted, which was someone complimenting her every second and wanting what she wants. He doesn't HAVE to see it as he can't please another woman

[SweetOne]

The ending was great!! Is the end of Clana finally in sight???

I honestly am speechless (with happiness) over how classless Lana looked this episode....or maybe the word is pathetic?? She spent the most time out of anyone with Bizzaroe.....was incredibly intimate and she STILL couldn't tell it wasn't Clark!! Or at least she liked Bizzaroe better!! BWAHAHAHA!!!!

"She has never felt closer or more happy..." Aww aint that sweet......oh wait no......just disgusting. I cannot believe that Clark even slept in the same bed as Lana.

Oh and could it have gotten any better?? When Bizzaroe outed Clark kent?? "I know your thoughts" he said. He even told Clark he was in denial, about Clark trying to convince himself that he loved Lana. Oh this is great. The producers basically showed us that Lana liked Bizzaroe better than Clark and Clark never cared for Lana as much as everyone thought......*sigh* I just cannot wait for the "official" breakup.

[miks]

agreed sweetone but who knows with almiles when that's actually going to happen

[SweetOne]

she's supposed to know him so well to know that it wasn't him, but she was too wrapped up in her happy little bubble to see that it wasn't him.

Well that's Lana for you. The most self-centered person on Smallville. Subconciously she probably was aware that it wasn't Clark, but she was to caught up in being the center of Bizzaroe's attention.

And you know what....I honestly have not enjoyed an episode this much in a long time!! The grin on my face just kept getting bigger....and bigger, the longer Lana continued to hang herself with all of her declarations "Oh there is nothing different about Clark" "We have finally completely opened up to each other" "We are so happy together". Gosh I just have the most insane grin on my face because of how stupid she looked!!!

[Batman/Superman#1]

They bother felt weird. Clark knowing Lana sleeping with one of his ememies (beside Lex) for the past month and Lana feeling upset that it happen and the way Clarks feels.

[SweetOne]

agreed sweetone but who knows with almiles when that's actually going to happen

Hey!! Please do not rain on my parade!!! I'm trying to focus only on the wonderful awkward moments right now. I want to revel in the new uncertain status of Clark and Lana!!

I am acutely aware of how slow-moving almiles are with Clana. It took 7 seasons just to get to this point. I'd prefer not to dwell on how long it will take to do the "official" breakup. The ending of Persona is the beginning of the end for Clana, and that's good enough for me (for now).:)

[Vergon6]

Since Clark does blame himself in some sense, it likely explains why he will continue to stay with Lana for the next few weeks/months up until at least "Veritas" (if Kristen Kreuk's info is accurate) But then I think it will get to a point where either Clark or Lana realize that they really tried to make it work, but there is this great divide between them that can never be repaired. I mean she felt more in love with a psychopath than she did with the real Clark! And I think there is a grain of truth of what Bizarro said, that Clark doesn't really love Lana as much as Bizarro did, although I am sure it wasn't good and pure love. When the time comes, Clark will have to accept his destiny, meanwhile Bizarro had no such priority.

[minerva73]

And why would clark feel that way? Because he's stupid? Yeah I agree with that, but he shouldn't feel that way. He should actually realize that their relationship was based on lies and think that biz was what she wanted, which was someone complimenting her every second and wanting what she wants. He doesn't HAVE to see it as he can't please another woman

But why can't he? If he can't please someone as simple as Lana, then what chance does he have with Lois? He could screw things up with her too. Or even Chloe. He did realize that their relationship was based on lies and that's why if anything it should have ended 3episodes ago. She didn't want Clark to compliment her on every single thing she did. She just wanted to know that Clark loved her as much as he did in the beginning of Season 5 despite the secrets that she's been hiding from him. Unfortunately, she couldn't do it for Clark and now Clark can't do it to her.


There's a difference between lying, stealing and cheating. Cheating is something that's hard to forgive, and she's supposed to know him so well to know that it wasn't him, but she was too wrapped up in her happy little bubble to see that it wasn't him.

And that's exactly what Clark did when the real Lana was sleeping with him too. Clark apparently doesn't know Lana well enough either not to know that she's hiding secrets from him (the Isis Foundation). They both have to share equal amount of guilt and pain for this. They can't just blame the other person or blame themselves because they each did it.

[sabi908]

But why can't he? If he can't please someone as simple as Lana, then what chance does he have with Lois? He could screw things up with her too. Or even Chloe. He did realize that their relationship was based on lies and that's why if anything it should have ended 3episodes ago. She didn't want Clark to compliment her on every single thing she did. She just wanted to know that Clark loved her as much as he did in the beginning of Season 5 despite the secrets that she's been hiding from him. Unfortunately, she couldn't do it for Clark and now Clark can't do it to her.



And that's exactly what Clark did when the real Lana was sleeping with him too. Clark apparently doesn't know Lana well enough either not to know that she's hiding secrets from him (the Isis Foundation). They both have to share equal amount of guilt and pain for this. They can't just blame the other person or blame themselves because they each did it.
"Unfortunately, she couldn't do it for Clark and now Clark can't do it to her."

and, that is why they don't work! Clark has always been in love with idea of Lana...not Lana herself...as he matures, he'll continue to see past that.

[SweetOne]

I mean she felt more in love with a psychopath than she did with the real Clark!

LOL Well that pretty much summs up Lana......it figures she would prefer a psychopath! :D

[jazel]

can a phantom be a psychopath ? lol

[minerva73]

"Unfortunately, she couldn't do it for Clark and now Clark can't do it to her."

and, that is why they don't work! Clark has always been in love with idea of Lana...not Lana herself...as he matures, he'll continue to see past that.


Completely true. And Lana's been that way too with Bizarro. She never really gave much thought that there was more to Clark. And that's why they're both to blame IMHO.

[WickedJenn]

Lana obviously prided herself on how well she thought she knew Clark. I think that once he told her his secret, she thought all would be much better between them, when in actuality it's even more complicated. Now she really sees that there's MUCH more to his secret and Clark as a person than she ever realized. The Bizarro incident was a real slap in the face for her, and as I said before, she ate her words she spouted at Chloe.

Lana this season was more concerned with Isis and her revenge on Lex rather than trying to understand Clark and his secret on a more detailed basis. Yes, she's known him most of her life, but she's known him from a distance, and still does as tonight's episode demonstrated.

[sabi908]

Completely true. And Lana's been that way too with Bizarro. She never really gave much thought that there was more to Clark. And that's why they're both to blame IMHO.
yup i agree...they both pretend to know each other and to be completely in "love"...which is in reality a complete farce, as evident in tonight's episode...I think there was a lot of doubt cast today on their relationship! I think they will realize henceforth, or so i hope, that at the end of the day they both really don't know each other.

And, what is more compelling is that the day they do get to know each other, is the day they will stop being in "love" with each other. The real Clark and the real Lana are just not compatible with each other. Lana obviously pines for someone like Bizzarro, someone whose assertive, adventurous, a real risk-taker who wants to take her to Paris. Clark is not like that.

And one more point, I think Clark and Lana have more similarities with each other then we think. Both are sort of angsty, keep secrets, and both are ultimately attracted to people who are complete opposites of them such as Bizzarro and Lois. Their relationship, in the end of the day would just simply be monotonous.

[SpiritedDiva]

I agree, sabi908. Lana and Clark are in love with who they imagine the other is. They feel save in that illusion, and once that is broken, so is the romance.

[svtwamedfan05]

LOL......ewwwwwwwww....how can he even sleep in the SAME bed ? hahahaha....she loves a phantom better than the true CK....that's why Clana was never meant to be.

exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself

Seriously though that scene spoke volumes of what they really feel. I mean seriously wouldn't any of you atleast try to take about what was said. Wouldn't you atleast try to explain? Usually that's what Clana does. They always try to talk their decisions and words to death and that scene was definitely not Clana-like. It was definitely clear that the end is coming soon.

[pacofajita]

I would have gone back to my own bedroom, since they've been sharing Jonathan and Martha's martial bed. :lol:

[Lostfan588]

I'm confused...I thought it was certain Clark and Lana are going to be together til the end of this season. After this episode, it doesn't sound like there's much left for them to do. And Lana seems almost unnecessarily jealous of Chloe- although from what Bizarro said that Clark has been lying to himself...I just think it's funny they keep playing up the Chlana and Chloe/Clark/Lana tension....I haven't seen Lana feeling this insecure about Chloe in a while...I mean just a couple episodes ago she was like "it's just Chloe"- maybe Lana's just lying to herself too.

[minerva73]

I'm confused...I thought it was certain Clark and Lana are going to be together til the end of this season. After this episode, it doesn't sound like there's much left for them to do. And Lana seems almost unnecessarily jealous of Chloe- although from what Bizarro said that Clark has been lying to himself...I just think it's funny they keep playing up the Chlana and Chloe/Clark/Lana tension....I haven't seen Lana feeling this insecure about Chloe in a while...I mean just a couple episodes ago she was like "it's just Chloe"- maybe Lana's just lying to herself too.

Maybe Lana's trying to get back at Chloe for what she said to her in "Wrath". Chloe said that she was sure that the honesty wasn't coming from her that Clark needed and she was right. Lana might be feeling so bad that she's willing to sink to any level to prove that she's not as depraved as everyone thinks.

I'm pretty sure that Lana had some feeling of doubt in her that it wasn't really Clark, but to be thrown around like a doll she probably wanted to say something to make herself feel like she's on top.

[WickedJenn]

I'm confused...I thought it was certain Clark and Lana are going to be together til the end of this season. After this episode, it doesn't sound like there's much left for them to do. And Lana seems almost unnecessarily jealous of Chloe- although from what Bizarro said that Clark has been lying to himself...I just think it's funny they keep playing up the Chlana and Chloe/Clark/Lana tension....I haven't seen Lana feeling this insecure about Chloe in a while...I mean just a couple episodes ago she was like "it's just Chloe"- maybe Lana's just lying to herself too.

I think they are, but it's not a "happy" togetherness, that's for sure.

I noticed that too, the step-up with that. This episode especially...what she said about her knowing how to use computers now too, and then all the things she said to Chloe, claiming to know Clark better. You're right, Lana hardly ever demonstrated that much insecureness concerning Chloe before. It really makes me wonder where they're heading with it all.

[svtwamedfan05]

I would have gone back to my own bedroom, since they've been sharing Jonathan and Martha's martial bed. :lol:

:rotfl: I know right. Wow would you sleep in the same bed where your girlfriend "slept" with a phantom which she had feelings for :rolleyes: :lol:

[jazel]

Jonathan must be turning in his grave.lol

[svtwamedfan05]

I think he's done alot of turning ever since Lana's been living in his house, lol

[pacofajita]

Jonathan must be turning in his grave.lol

Sometimes I wonder if John Schneider tunes in the show and throws stuff at the TV like I do...

[oldblackmagick]

wonder if clark or lana even changed the sheets...you know...post bizana sex? :p Also just gotta wonder why they would create so much tension for a relationship that will last til the very least season8 seeing as how KK said in an interview about being around in a relationship "happy" when season 7 ended. I don't know if I wanna watch a show where they are still together after this ep. It would feel forced and the clana has already been feeling a little forced the last couple years.

[Eeyore840]

A better ending would have been: After burning the mattress Bizarro and Lana slept on out in the driveway, Clark walks into the house and sees Lana waiting for him in the living room. Without saying a word, Clark superspeeds upstairs to find a pillow and a blanket, which he deposits onto the sofa. He then superspeeds upstairs to his bedroom, locking the door behind him.

[jazel]

LOL ^^^^^ TOO funny ! love your avi :)

[Eeyore840]

:) Thanks, Jazel.

[jazel]

Sometimes I wonder if John Schneider tunes in the show and throws stuff at the TV like I do...
Believe He, and Annette, are thankful to NO longer be part of that fiasco....HOPE Lionel doesn't leave.:(

[Spirit Detective]

It's sad. Bizarro really loved Lana more than Clark. I actually believed his line about how she changed him.

[oldblackmagick]

yeah into all the things we hate about clark....awesome change :D

[jazel]

:) Thanks, Jazel.

your welcome :)
Spirit Detective....I believe Lana and Clark BELIEVED him as well, which is WHY, they had NOTHING, to say to each other.:lol:
Damn Lana, and her "ability" into making ANY male, ALIEN, or NOT, a spinless jellyfish....MUST BE ALL ABOUT the Lana, is Al/Miles slogan.:lol:
I don't even think, she's all that......a real woman, needs more curves, than her man.:p
Biz was sporting some nice man cleveage, in that opening scene.:D

[SweetOne]

A better ending would have been: After burning the mattress Bizarro and Lana slept on out in the driveway, Clark walks into the house and sees Lana waiting for him in the living room. Without saying a word, Clark superspeeds upstairs to find a pillow and a blanket, which he deposits onto the sofa. He then superspeeds upstairs to his bedroom, locking the door behind him.

Man who cares about this writers strike?? How 'bout they hire you to write the shows!!!

[ClareKent]

Finally Clana is coming to an end :D though I felt kinda sorry for Bizarro...he did loved her, and she loved him...I think he should just come back and take Lana wherever he wants...

[tinkerchere]

omg!!! i an so sick of Clark ! What in the world do you have to do to this boy???? Watching Clark is like that great friend you have and you can't figure out why they are wuth this awful girl!! I mean you can do anything to Clark and he will keep coming back for more,just like with Alicia. I am so insulted that they have transferred Lana into a super genius computer wiz.It smacks of un-believaability(if that is even a word!!). I mean Clark grew up with parents that obviously loved and respected one another,why oh why does he keep going back to a girl that has done none of that for him??? I think Lana just enjoys Clark being at her beck and call.IN Transference and lots of season 5/6 episodes when they weren't together she would just come and torment him if he wasn't chasing after her. I remeber in the barn during Transference how when he did not care about her and Jason she kept on and on.And she always kissed everyone with passion and lust and she kissed Clark like they are related,she almost looks in pain.I just don't get it !!!!I don'y even know why Clark loves her know,ok he put her up on a pedestal when he was 5,but what has she done since them ?????:eek::eek:

[jazel]

at 5, or even recently, Lana's resume is really not that impressive....poor Jor-el, even trying to get through to the boy.LOL
he needs to freeze him, for another 10 years, to get through to him.LOL

[Dew_drops]

:rolleyes:

And the lana bashing continues...

oh btw, it is defenitely Clark's room, the case of Clark's drawers is the same as in when Lana was staying in Clark's room when someone was stalking her, but they do seem to have changed the bedspreads.

[Eri-El]

:rolleyes:

And the lana bashing continues...

oh btw, it is defenitely Clark's room, the case of Clark's drawers is the same as in when Lana was staying in Clark's room when someone was stalking her, but they do seem to have changed the bedspreads.


I think Lana changed the bedspreads, and added the flowers on the nightstand and curtains:lol:

[Eeyore840]

Man who cares about this writers strike?? How 'bout they hire you to write the shows!!!

Believe me, there are many scenes on Smallville that I would be happy to rewrite...

[savingpeoplething]

Finally Clana is coming to an end

Let's hope so.
I'd love the hero to learn something from all this. It's one thing for Superman to be forgiving, but it's another to stay in a relationship that isn't good for either party.

"Persona" basically told us through Bizarro's mouth that Clark doesn't REALLY love Lana, so I hope something comes from all of that to finally end Clana. But, with this show, you can never really tell when it comes to that couple.

[aqgalaxy]

A better ending would have been: After burning the mattress Bizarro and Lana slept on out in the driveway, Clark walks into the house and sees Lana waiting for him in the living room. Without saying a word, Clark superspeeds upstairs to find a pillow and a blanket, which he deposits onto the sofa. He then superspeeds upstairs to his bedroom, locking the door behind him.

Actually, they only needed to add a few more minutes of the final scene.. have them lay in bed together, and then have Clark roll over and leaves the bed. They faded out when He was turning his body away from Lana.

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Let's hope so.
I'd love the hero to learn something from all this. It's one thing for Superman to be forgiving, but it's another to stay in a relationship that isn't good for either party.

"Persona" basically told us through Bizarro's mouth that Clark doesn't REALLY love Lana, so I hope something comes from all of that to finally end Clana. But, with this show, you can never really tell when it comes to that couple.

True, this episode strengthens the idea that Clana aren't meant to be, and that Clana together now is because of Obligation on Clark's part. I mean look at Feirce, he seemed to have been moving on, then she showed up.

[Joelito]

I don't think clana will comming to end...remember? Who is with who @ the end of the season? :rolleyes:

[jimmyolsenblues]

okay there is a big difference between coming to a totally 100% end and entering a cold period.
I have to believe for now, Clark has totally cooled on lana.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I don't think clana will comming to end...remember? Who is with who @ the end of the season? :rolleyes:

......and don't forget: Who is in charge of this show???
:lol:
Exactly!!! "Needs more Lana."
;)

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okay there is a big difference between coming to a totally 100% end and entering a cold period.
I have to believe for now, Clark has totally cooled on lana.

But given the past 6 years of TV-relationship torture we went through, I have to say: that would NOT be believable. Not at all.
The damage is done,

Clana have to stay together forever.
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[jimmyolsenblues]

I agree with you iLwC, but if they don't show Clark hesitant over lana.
If they show clark, forgetting everything and still being puppy dog love over lana.
Then I just have to lower my respect for BDA.
Which is sad.

[Firebunny]

I think Lana changed the bedspreads I should hope so, and the sheets too, after all the sex she and Bizarro were having.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I agree with you iLwC, but if they don't show Clark hesitant over lana.
If they show clark, forgetting everything and still being puppy dog love over lana.
Then I just have to lower my respect for BDA.
Which is sad.

But that's exactly why I will never forgive AlMiles for the return of the Clana in S6...... It destroyed everything, IMO. No scenario whatsoever will make sense anymore.
Worst of all: even the characters are ruined.

[minerva73]

This episode made me think last night... :o Especially the Clana scene at the end. And I came to this conclusion. It's probably not what everyone else thinks, but I wanted to get it off my chest. Clana hurts my chest...it hurts my head...

Clark and Lana's relationship from "Fierce" until "Lara" seemed forced, but they managed to work things out. Then in "Wrath", they basically experienced the best thing that could ever happen in their relationship. They both were happy and could both be "open" to each other with no problem.

After Lana went all psycho on Lex and after she fought with Clark, then Chloe told her that she believes that the loyalty that Clark needs might not be from her. Lana's self-esteem was most likely lowered by that. Then she went to Clark and asked him if he loved her and he failed to answer. Lana's feelings about herself must have also deteriorated after that.

In "Blue", some lady who she hasn't met before (Lara) tells her that she senses an evil side that's inside her. Lana's self-esteem was probably crushed as soon as she heard that and it lead to the barn scene where Clark told Lana not to feel so bad about herself. Yet in that same scene, Clark didn't show any feelings of true affection towards Lana. Just a hug and Lana might have felt distanced from the entire world because everyone believed that she was depraved.

When Bizarro came in "Gemini", Lana just wanted to be with Clark. In any way possible, she wanted to have Clark's trust and love and Bizarro was willing to give it to her. Because of Lana's insecurities coming from the insults piled upon her from "Wrath" and "Blue", she accepted Bizarro even though the details were right in front of her that he wasn't Clark.

When Lana told Chloe that she should let go of Clark a little, I don't think that she did that because she wanted to prove that she knew Clark more, but because she wanted to prove that she wasn't as strange as everyone has been making her out to be these past few episodes.

So in conclusion, I guess I'm saying that Clark let Lana go in "Wrath" and that's how he allowed her to jump into Bizarro's arms. Just like he did with her in Season 5 when she hopped into Lex's arms. :rolleyes: If Clark showed Lana some love in "Blue", then maybe Lana wouldn't feel so bad about herself in "Gemini" ergo she wouldn't have accepted Bizarro so easily without looking past the surface. So Clark needs to make it up to Lana and end his relationship with her on a good note, not a sad one like he's left it on now IMO.

[supergirl28]

hopefully not. Lana didn't know about bizzaro's exsistance. Clark maybe mad because she sleept with someone else, but he cant blaim her, he never even told her about him.

[LoisJoanneKent]

I'd say "stick a fork in it", it's DONE!!!! He's just to nice to say "get the hell out of my bed you pantom loving, biatch!!!

[msleggie]

Clana is coming to end for sure, this scene proves that Clana isn't right for each other. Lana tried to throw it in Chloe's face that she was the one who finally had Clark's full attention and that maybe Chloe didn't know Clark the way Lana knew him. When in reality Lana is the one who doesn't know Clark and Clark doesn't know her. And even if those two do try to work it out, their relationship won't work, they are two different.

[WickedJenn]

This episode made me think last night... :o Especially the Clana scene at the end. And I came to this conclusion. It's probably not what everyone else thinks, but I wanted to get it off my chest. Clana hurts my chest...it hurts my head...

Clark and Lana's relationship from "Fierce" until "Lara" seemed forced, but they managed to work things out. Then in "Wrath", they basically experienced the best thing that could ever happen in their relationship. They both were happy and could both be "open" to each other with no problem.

After Lana went all psycho on Lex and after she fought with Clark, then Chloe told her that she believes that the loyalty that Clark needs might not be from her. Lana's self-esteem was most likely lowered by that. Then she went to Clark and asked him if he loved her and he failed to answer. Lana's feelings about herself must have also deteriorated after that.

In "Blue", some lady who she hasn't met before (Lara) tells her that she senses an evil side that's inside her. Lana's self-esteem was probably crushed as soon as she heard that and it lead to the barn scene where Clark told Lana not to feel so bad about herself. Yet in that same scene, Clark didn't show any feelings of true affection towards Lana. Just a hug and Lana might have felt distanced from the entire world because everyone believed that she was depraved.

When Bizarro came in "Gemini", Lana just wanted to be with Clark. In any way possible, she wanted to have Clark's trust and love and Bizarro was willing to give it to her. Because of Lana's insecurities coming from the insults piled upon her from "Wrath" and "Blue", she accepted Bizarro even though the details were right in front of her that he wasn't Clark.

When Lana told Chloe that she should let go of Clark a little, I don't think that she did that because she wanted to prove that she knew Clark more, but because she wanted to prove that she wasn't as strange as everyone has been making her out to be these past few episodes.

So in conclusion, I guess I'm saying that Clark let Lana go in "Wrath" and that's how he allowed her to jump into Bizarro's arms. Just like he did with her in Season 5 when she hopped into Lex's arms. :rolleyes: If Clark showed Lana some love in "Blue", then maybe Lana wouldn't feel so bad about herself in "Gemini" ergo she wouldn't have accepted Bizarro so easily without looking past the surface. So Clark needs to make it up to Lana and end his relationship with her on a good note, not a sad one like he's left it on now IMO.

Very well said. I still do think, however, that even if Clark HAD been more open with Lana in "Blue", I'm not quite sure she'd still know the difference between him and Bizarro. I feel as though she wouldn't have seen past all the doting to who he is as a real person. As I posted earlier, yes he and Lana have known each other a while, but IMO, she never really knew him, even after he told her his secret. Now that can be construed to both of them withholding things, but to me, THAT is a big proponent of her not recognizing the Bizarro differences.

[Westix]

Clana is gona end, she may have destroyed Bizzaro, and Clark may believe that she was saying those things to distract him, but the funny thing is, she really really meant what she said before she put the blue kryptonite to his hand :D lololol, made me laugh. And i think they should break up, it's getting boring: ''hello beautiful'', ''i'm so happy'', ''Lana i love you''.

[Eri-El]

Oh man is it next Thursday yet?...........This waiting to find out what happens to Clark & Lana is gonna kill me........

[berniepooh]

It was supposed to feel awkward. Like in real relationships there are good and BAD times. But I don't think Clark felt awkward because Lana was tricked by Bizarro. He found that out early in the episode and he apologized to Lana for it happening. The awkwardness came from Lana realizing and admitting out loud (to Bizarro and Clark both) that she felt more in love with Bizarro in the past few weeks than she ever had with the real Clark.
Also, Bizarro's final words "I LOVE YOU."
On the Richter scale of awkward situations - this is off the charts.

[tinkerchere]

hopefully not. Lana didn't know about bizzaro's exsistance. Clark maybe mad because she sleept with someone else, but he cant blaim her, he never even told her about him.

i would like to think she would have enough sense to realize it wasn't Clark.I mean she has known him for 7 years abd all the sudden he does an emotional 180? The only time that happens in Smallville there is some shenanigans at work.Then again Lana is so egotistical to believe someone would do that for her.It took Chloe like 3 minutes to figure out it wasn't Clark.

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I think all of season 7 is leading Clark to his ultimate destiny.He is trying so hard to hold on to having a normal life and hyst being a regular guy,but everywhere he turns he is being reminded abiut what he could choose to be.Kara,Jor-El,Chloe,crazy guy from Action....they all tell him this but in the end he is going to have to choose ot and really mean it. So to my point Clana did need to come back together so in the end it cab be Clark's choice to walk away because he knows it isn't for him.Clark has some hold over fantasy love for Lana,not a deep sustaing love. And to that end I love the subtle ways we see Lois and Clark coming together.The way he watches her and the look of suprise on his face when she opens up. You can see him discovering all the wonderful things about her.Plus we can't forget the look on his face in Hydro when they kissed!! He certinly never that way with Lana.It is really easy to see the end coming...I just hope it gets here soon!!!!

[Super Maverick]

lamest ending ever

[Eeyore840]

i would like to think she would have enough sense to realize it wasn't Clark.I mean she has known him for 7 years abd all the sudden he does an emotional 180? The only time that happens in Smallville there is some shenanigans at work.Then again Lana is so egotistical to believe someone would do that for her.It took Chloe like 3 minutes to figure out it wasn't Clark.

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I think all of season 7 is leading Clark to his ultimate destiny.He is trying so hard to hold on to having a normal life and hyst being a regular guy,but everywhere he turns he is being reminded abiut what he could choose to be.Kara,Jor-El,Chloe,crazy guy from Action....they all tell him this but in the end he is going to have to choose ot and really mean it. So to my point Clana did need to come back together so in the end it cab be Clark's choice to walk away because he knows it isn't for him.Clark has some hold over fantasy love for Lana,not a deep sustaing love. And to that end I love the subtle ways we see Lois and Clark coming together.The way he watches her and the look of suprise on his face when she opens up. You can see him discovering all the wonderful things about her.Plus we can't forget the look on his face in Hydro when they kissed!! He certinly never that way with Lana.It is really easy to see the end coming...I just hope it gets here soon!!!!

I agree. If they aren't going to allow Chlark, then I am more than ready to see Clark and Lois interested in each other.

[theWatcher]

Behold for Clana is unfortunately coming to an end! Sometimes love isn't enough to have a lasting relationship. I see that they will always love each other, but they have slowly grown apart. The weeks the she spent with Bizarro forever changed their relationship dynamic. A coupled relationship may die, but a powerful friendship will be born!

[Eri-El]

Here Here....I completley agree.......On with Lois and Clark!!!!

[All about Clark]

The problem with Clark and Lana is that they've spent so much time hiding who they are from each other, that they don't want to delve deeper into each other. Lana was getting everything she wanted from Bizarro, and because of that, did not want to look deeper. Lana didn't even want Chloe digging deeper. Lana was in her fantasy and didn't want to question her good fortune. She purposefully closed her eyes to the fact that there was a difference in her Clark. She refused to accept the idea that that wasn't Clark, that is why she tried to steer Chloe away.

I think the awkwardness at the end was Clark realizing he was never going to be perfect for Lana because he has other responsibilities and worries. Dax gave up being kryptonian for Grace, but Dax doesn't have this destiny issue hanging over his head that Clark has. As long as he stays true to his destiny, he won't be the Clark for Lana. The Clark for Lana is the one that puts blue kryptonite on.

[Brizzle]

I say who cares but that scene was the most awkward scene I have seen on Smallvillle. I thought they were going to do it when she touched his arm, and then they were just laying there. For a moment I thought clark was going to be a man and just bang her, but in the end he is still a p#ssy. hhahhaha

[pharaoh8]

wow. that is very..what's the word...just not well put. obviously Lana does not know clark at all. I would have kicked her A$$ out of my house.

[jennyflang01]

Of course, Clana is not meant to be in the end but it doesn't mean they don't love each other....
I respect clois because Lois is Clark's destiny and I admit he will love Lois BUT in Smallville world (the early years of CK), can anyone say there has been a stronger more sustainable lovestory other that the Clana one?

Lexana was just here to show how Lex is left by everyone he cares about, just like in Persona...It was to show just how manipulative and twister he has become....

And Chlark....they are like brothers and sisters, they are best friends...that's not romance.

Whether we like it or not, Clana love does exist eventhough Lana lets him go fulfill his destiny....and just as a reminder....Lana is the one that taught Clark how to love, so always being negative about her isn't really fair...She's just as important as Chloe or Lois in her own very special way...

[AChloeChick]

can anyone say there has been a stronger more sustainable lovestory other that the Clana one?

I can. Clana is not strong, nor it is sustainable. If it were, then Lana would have KNOWN that it wasn't Clark. Even twins can be told apart.

I'm sorry, but if they truly knew each other and loved each other as they've claimed, then NONE of this would have happened.

I find it ironic that SV has spent six years 'telling' us that Clark and Lana 'love' each other, but it's only taken less than a season to 'show' us they don't love each other as they've claimed, nor do they belong together.

[minerva73]

Very well said. I still do think, however, that even if Clark HAD been more open with Lana in "Blue", I'm not quite sure she'd still know the difference between him and Bizarro. I feel as though she wouldn't have seen past all the doting to who he is as a real person. As I posted earlier, yes he and Lana have known each other a while, but IMO, she never really knew him, even after he told her his secret. Now that can be construed to both of them withholding things, but to me, THAT is a big proponent of her not recognizing the Bizarro differences.

Yeah, I agree. Lana never really got to know Clark. All she knew was his secret, his name, and some other stuff written on papers. Other than that, he hasn't spent time with her like he's spent with Chloe or even Pete.

I still think that Clark should have tried to show his love for Lana in "Blue" because the second that Lana went to the Daily Planet, she hadn't received any compliments since then. Every word that someone said to her has been negative besides Clark's small speech in "Blue" which IMO didn't help her self esteem much.


Of course, Clana is not meant to be in the end but it doesn't mean they don't love each other....
I respect clois because Lois is Clark's destiny and I admit he will love Lois BUT in Smallville world (the early years of CK), can anyone say there has been a stronger more sustainable lovestory other that the Clana one?

Lexana was just here to show how Lex is left by everyone he cares about, just like in Persona...It was to show just how manipulative and twister he has become....

And Chlark....they are like brothers and sisters, they are best friends...that's not romance.

Whether we like it or not, Clana love does exist eventhough Lana lets him go fulfill his destiny....and just as a reminder....Lana is the one that taught Clark how to love, so always being negative about her isn't really fair...She's just as important as Chloe or Lois in her own very special way...

I think so too. Until we get Clois, I think that Clana's necessary to show Clark some key aspects of his life. We can't forget that it was Lana who gave him a push in "Action" to be the next Warrior Angel. ;) It's just that her mind has become so cloudy after "Wrath" IMO and now her judgment is disabled too.


I can. Clana is not strong, nor it is sustainable. If it were, then Lana would have KNOWN that it wasn't Clark. Even twins can be told apart.

I'm sorry, but if they truly knew each other and loved each other as they've claimed, then NONE of this would have happened.

I find it ironic that SV has spent six years 'telling' us that Clark and Lana 'love' each other, but it's only taken less than a season to 'show' us they don't love each other as they've claimed, nor do they belong together.

The twins would have had to take the initiative to try to tell that person the difference between them or at least have one of them spend time with the other to know their personality. Lana hasn't gotten there with Clark yet. He's neglected to do that IMO.

I admit that I was never a Clana fan until Season 6, but it's those mistakes that we make that can allow us to become a better person if we choose to use them wisely. I think that the main lesson in "Wrath" and "Persona" is that both of them haven't been open with each other enough or at least enough to see below the surface. They do love each other, but for the person who they saw in Season 1 basically. Clark saw Lana as the pink princess and Lana saw Clark as a super man.

[LoveHurts38]

Well, I do see some sadness in the end just looking at each other....so I do see a strain in the relationship.

[Eri-El]

Absolutley.........

[darkone]

Well, I do see some sadness in the end just looking at each other....so I do see a strain in the relationship.

What did you expected them to do?Continue as if nothing has happened?That's unrealistic and I leave such nonsense developments for other relationships in the show.

[Spirit Detective]

......and don't forget: Who is in charge of this show???
:lol:
Exactly!!! "Needs more Lana."
;)


:lol: Lanarama reference.

[Dustmite]

I leave such nonsense developments for other relationships in the show.

Really? I've come to expect it from Clana and Chlana. I find the other relationships much better developed.

[Alexander III]

The ending scene really declares the END of this relationship, the connection, the secrecy, nuthing's working. They can't even have SEX. See how frustrated it is for the both of them.

[jennyflang01]

I can. Clana is not strong, nor it is sustainable. If it were, then Lana would have KNOWN that it wasn't Clark. Even twins can be told apart.

I'm sorry, but if they truly knew each other and loved each other as they've claimed, then NONE of this would have happened.

I find it ironic that SV has spent six years 'telling' us that Clark and Lana 'love' each other, but it's only taken less than a season to 'show' us they don't love each other as they've claimed, nor do they belong together.

I'm sorry, I think there is a real difference between feelings and an actual relationship.
Clana relationship is not perfect but they DO love each other and have always loved each other since season 2.
It's a first love...maybe it's not gonna last and maybe it's not meant to be but it's there even if they end up parting ways...Lana will stay Clark's first love...she's an important part of him growing up.

Also, Lana didn't see it wasn't Clark because she didn't want to see. She's been wanting/hoping this sort of relationship with Clark for a very long time (she's been wanting him to let her in since season 3!) and now that it was there, she wasn't gonna question whether it was true or not. She's human and she's blinded by love....

Finally, about your last comment about how we've been told they love each other and now we are shown they can't be together...
From the pilot, you can see Clark has a crush on Lana, he's been protecting her, risking everything to keep her safe, everything was from good intentions....
As for Lana, she marries anoter man to protect the man she loves..that's selfless as well.
Just these facts prove that they do have very deep feelings for each other...they do love each other but they will need to part ways so that he can become Superman....

[minerva73]

The ending scene really declares the END of this relationship, the connection, the secrecy, nuthing's working. They can't even have SEX. See how frustrated it is for the both of them.

And they willingly had sex when their relationship was perfect? :confused:

[paolinki25]

This feels sooooo familiar. Those scenes where "the couple" is sitting there, or laying in bed in complete awkward silence usually mean "oh, sh*t. The ending is coming", which for Clana, it's like the 12324 time they break up, so nothing new there.

[myankskent]

The ending scene really declares the END of this relationship, the connection, the secrecy, nuthing's working. They can't even have SEX. See how frustrated it is for the both of them.


I'm going to need some confirmation on that in the next episode. Something tells me, however, that it's going to get better between Clana before everything falls apart for good.

[do3mire]

I'm going to need some confirmation on that in the next episode. Something tells me, however, that it's going to get better between Clana before everything falls apart for good.

ITA. My reasoning? Lana has no story, no purpose except for Clana.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

ITA. My reasoning? Lana has no story, no purpose except for Clana.

That's why I always defended the 'witch arc'.
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[do3mire]

:lol: good one!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I am serious.
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[myankskent]

ITA. My reasoning? Lana has no story, no purpose except for Clana.

Which shouldn't be the case if TPTB were to put Isis to use. If Lana is going to remain on this show, I say let Lana work at Isis and keep Clark out of that storyline for the most part. That's the best solution that I can think of to give Lana a role outside of her relationship with Clark.

[LoisJoanneKent]

I'm sorry, I think there is a real difference between feelings and an actual relationship.
Clana relationship is not perfect but they DO love each other and have always loved each other since season 2.
It's a first love...maybe it's not gonna last and maybe it's not meant to be but it's there even if they end up parting ways...Lana will stay Clark's first love...she's an important part of him growing up.

Also, Lana didn't see it wasn't Clark because she didn't want to see. She's been wanting/hoping this sort of relationship with Clark for a very long time (she's been wanting him to let her in since season 3!) and now that it was there, she wasn't gonna question whether it was true or not. She's human and she's blinded by love....

Finally, about your last comment about how we've been told they love each other and now we are shown they can't be together...
From the pilot, you can see Clark has a crush on Lana, he's been protecting her, risking everything to keep her safe, everything was from good intentions....
As for Lana, she marries anoter man to protect the man she loves..that's selfless as well.
Just these facts prove that they do have very deep feelings for each other...they do love each other but they will need to part ways so that he can become Superman....


Well, she may be his first love, but she isn't his true love, and that's why that relationship will be forever doomed. She isn't his soulmate, and since her inception in the comics, was never meant to be anything else than a puppy love thing.

[kryptonaidxh]

;)Oh I´ve been prayed for that happy day came: the Clana ending.
I really hope Clark sees Lana just as she is: an evil lying b**ch with a black soul, and then he breaks up with her forever!:)

[RepairmanBob]

Considering how often Clana broke up and got back together in season five, I'll believe it is over when Lana has another guy to jump to.

Then I will wait for the spoilers that say Clana are getting back together.

[jazel]

I'll believe it is over when Lana has another guy to jump to.



Pete, is coming back, in Hero. lol ;)

[IloveClark]

I can't wait for the day when those 2 break up for good.But I'm not saying Clana fans don't have a right to like them.So no more bashing each others ships please.

[Clana4Life]

No breakups for Clana in sight, at least not this season. That has been confirmed. So people can say the end is in sight, but that won't be until Season 8 (if then). So, it appears that Clana will work through this. They should be able to. Lana was duped by a super good actor (Bizarro). That's no reason for Clark to break up with her. Clark isn't as romantic and relationship-focused as she though (or possibly hoped). Not a thing to break up over, just work on it. And the whole bit about being able to tell twins apart - how is that even relevant? Clark doesn't have a twin, and Lana didn't know of a Bizarro. Next time my boyfriend starts acting more loving I'm gonna scream, "your an impostor. you never act this loving. get me some blue-k 'cause you must be a phantom clone." Sounds ridiculous, right? My point exactly.

[BadToad]

Next time my boyfriend starts acting more loving I'm gonna scream, "your an impostor. you never act this loving. get me some blue-k 'cause you must be a phantom clone." Sounds ridiculous, right? My point exactly.

Sure it sounds ridiculous in the real world. But Smallville isn't the real world. Do you not see even a little bit of difference in trying to compare the 2? I mean, have you ever been taken over by a witch? Mind whammied? Slept with an alien whose personality can change when exposed to certain meteor rocks? If the answer is No to those things, then I'm thinking the comparison between real life and Smallville is probably not entirely apt.


So, it appears that Clana will work through this.

Or we could get a replay of S5 where the relationship dysfunctionally limped along for some time until it finally got put down like a sick dog in Hypnotic. We really just don't know at this point.


Clark isn't as romantic and relationship-focused as she though (or possibly hoped). Not a thing to break up over, just work on it.

Yeah, Gosh, who needs to work on any of that accepting your destiny stuff, or trying to figure out how to use your powers to do some good in the world, or any of that Superman stuff when you can spend your time trying to figure out how to do more to please your overly needy girlfriend :lol:

[Clana4Life]

BadToad, I know it's a show. I'm just saying we wouldn't come to such a far-fetched conclusion that Clark isn't Clark in real life, but people are asking Lana to magically reason that her boyfriend is an impostor. I'm saying it's as ridiculous as someone concluding that in real life. In my opinion, acting more romantic does not equal a complete behavior change that needs questioning. Clark has always been romantic to a certain degree. He is staying in SV and living on the farm for Lana. I just don't think people are being fair about this one. He acted way more out of character with Chloe than he did with Lana, and all she thought was that he need some rest.
I hope that that which does not kill Clana makes them stronger. These two kids are working through their problems in a true desire to stay together. Give them 6 episodes where they can just have some peace and happiness.

[BadToad]

I'm saying it's as ridiculous as someone concluding that in real life.

I know thats what you are saying, but that makes no sense to me. SV isn't real life, and characters have things happen to them in the SV universe that aren't applicable to our real lives. I think its comparing apples and oranges.


These two kids are working through their problems in a true desire to stay together. Give them 6 episodes where they can just have some peace and happiness.

The show has given this relationship far more then enough time already. Whats the point of 6 episodes when we know it doesn't last anyway?

How about these 2 crazy kids stop trying to jumpstart a relationship that never quite seems to bring either of them peace and happiness, and instead start focusing on being friends and moving forward with their lives. That makes far more sense to me.

[Dustmite]

. Give them 6 episodes where they can just have some peace and happiness.

They've had seven seasons to find peace and happiness. They haven't been able to.

[darkone]

Whats the point of 6 episodes when we know it doesn't last anyway?


What's the point of having Chloe and Lionel in the show then?


The show has given this relationship far more then enough time already.

Since it's the main romantic relationship in the show with 2 of the big three involved I don't think there's such a thing like a Episode limit or something.


They've had seven seasons to find peace and happiness. They haven't been able to.

But we have seen them being in peace and happy together.Shortly but it was there.And yes it'd be nice to see something like that long term.

[Dustmite]

What's the point of having Chloe and Lionel in the show then?

They're more productive then a relationship that doesn't work.


Since it's the main romantic relationship in the show with 2 of the big three involved I don't think there's such a thing like a Episode limit or something

There should be as it only serves to show how dysfunctional they are together.


But we have seen them being in peace and happy together.Shortly but it was there.And yes it'd be nice to see something like that long term.

They obviously can't be happy long term. The show has shown that again and again and again.

[malrrmustafa]

That end scene was absolutely amazing! It shows how much Clark is disappointed and how much they don't belong together! What do you guys think?

....i absolutely agree.....somehow i felt overjoyed inside...its really been a long agony for me seeing Clana still going on till now....i just hope that they will definitely end all this nonsense once and for all...this is the only reason why i cant fully enjoy watching Smallville...

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Well, this end scene also shows how much of an idiot Clark is. Cause it took him forever to realize what we pretty much could figure out by epi #2, Season one.....
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[kryptonaidxh]

:)yes, Clark is a big idiot, after what he knew what Lana did in "wrath" he would be really a huge stupid if he just apoligizes to Lana this time again, I really hope the next episodes be the happy ones where Clana nightmare ends FOREVER, I would like to see Clark kicking her out of his farm before Lana leaves the show.:):p

[Jaderoyale]

It was a really awkward ending.
Lanas reahcing out to Clark, and hes finally seeing her for what she is/has been doing to him for the past, 2 seasons. Since she got with Lex really.
I felt sorry for Clark.
But then again, i'm annoyed with him for not realising how... shallow Lana can really be.

[jennyflang01]

Well, at least, smth is certain...
For people who root for every other character aside from Lana and despise Clana...
You sure DO talk A LOT about both Lana and Clana....

Instead of concentrating on a supposedly Clana end, why not talk about the developments of say Chlark, Clois or even Lexana....or maybe there is nothing enough to say about this in the SV world...

In SV world, in terms or relationships, it's all centered around Clana...She's the main love interest for Clark and will remain like this until the show ends and he leaves to fulfill his destiny!

As for focusing on your abilities, develop your power so you can save the world....Clark already has a hero complex...his wanting to save the world is slowly growing on him.
Why wouldn't he want to have the woman he loves by his side....this is part of life.... it's not because he has super abilities that he has to restrain from working on his love life....

To the people who think all love relationships are a waste in SV, especially Clana, that his destiny should be the focus...I can answer: yes, the destiny storyline is really important BUT would we want a superhero without a heart??? that's his greatest strength and Lana taught him that...there's now way to deny this fact....

[BadToad]

For people who root for every other character aside from Lana and despise Clana...
You sure DO talk A LOT about both Lana and Clana....

Well see, here's the thing....Clark is the main character on the show. And Lex is the second most important character. And Lana is always mucking up their storylines. So, she's sort of hard to ignore. Since I suspect a lot of people want to discuss Clark, and his storyline, and his character development, then unfortuntately, you also have to discuss Lana since she seems to impact that in such a detrimental way. Heck, I'd love NOT to discuss Lana. Move her away from Clark, and I promise, I'll ignore her completely :)


To the people who think all love relationships are a waste in SV, especially Clana, that his destiny should be the focus...I can answer: yes, the destiny storyline is really important BUT would we want a superhero without a heart??? that's his greatest strength and Lana taught him that...there's now way to deny this fact....

IMO, Lana didn't have to TEACH Clark anything. What an insult to Clark. Why would Clark need to be "taught" to love? To "have a heart". IMO, Clark has the biggest heart of anyone on the show, not Lana. Certainly not Lana. He's had love from his parents all his life. He's had deep, important friendships in Pete and Chloe. Clark knows how to love, and always has. Lana hasn't had to teach him squat, and quite frankly, given the up and down nature of their long running relationship, I think Lana has done far more to make Clark feel like a failure and a disappointment then taught him how to love. Heck, I don't even know what thats supposed to mean, except for a claim to pump up Lana's significance.

Clark would still be compassionate, and loving even if never met Lana Lang.

[jazel]

Just can't believe, CK can sleep in the same bed(w/ Lana,) where Biz/Lana did the nasty,lol.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Lana: "Clark, come to bed."
Clark: "Well, hmmm...... I dunno."
Lana: "Clark, what's up?!?"
Clark: " Bizarro.......you slept with him."
Lana: "So what? I thought he was you. Duh."
Clark: "But......you slept with him. Here, in this very bed."
Lana: "Pffffft, gimme a break."
Clark: "I......I......I can't."
Lana: "Clark, shut up and come to bed."
Clark: "But......"
Lana: "Clark. Come to bed. Now. Or do you want me to tell you who was the better lover between you and Bizarro??? You. Bed. Now."
Clark: "OK, I am in bed now. Good night Lana."

[SVsleuth]

Wow, it's amazing how many different takes people can have on this show. Here's mine:

Lana loves Clark Kent. But he does have weaknesses & fears, which hinder their relationship, just like she does. In Wrath, we saw that Clark had been living in a blissful dream world for the first few weeks after Lana came back, wanting to experience the perfect life with her that he always wanted. So he didn't look below the surface to see Lana for who she really is - not a perfect person, but someone with faults & weaknesses & hurts, like everyone else.

Now, when Bizarro showed up, he was exactly like Clark, except WITHOUT CLARK's WEAKNESSES. He was able to meet Lana's emotional needs because he has no sense of responsibility to saving the world with his abilities. He is willing to be selfish & use his abilities only for finding happiness with Lana. Lana naturally fell in love with a "perfect" Clark, he's what she always wanted Clark to be, for her. So she fell into the same trap, and failed to look below the surface, because she was now living her dream life with her dream Clark.

Once Lana discovered, however, that Bizarro had deceived her in a way Clark never would, she would no longer be able to love him. It was never the PHANTOM that Lana loved, because he never showed his true self to her, he hid it from her, content to try to live the lie of "being" Clark Kent. So Lana was in love with an image of Clark that doesn't exist, just like he had been in love with an image of Lana that doesn't exist.

NOW, finally, after all of these years, Clark & Lana can BEGIN to really get to know each other - strip away their fantasies, and take an honest look at each other. They will finally see each other clearly, and choose to love each other in spite of their faults. I think they will discover the true meaning of love for the first time together - love is sacrificial.

A part of Lana wants Clark to devote himself entirely to her. Another part of her believes that he is meant for the world, and she doesn't want to hold him back. Clark is the same. A part of him just wants to be a normal farmer, and live a normal life with Lana raising a family. Another part of him feels compelled to do what is right with his abilities for the good of the world. In the end, I think Clark & Lana will mutually agree that the world needs Clark more than she does, & they will sacrifice their dream for the good of the world. Clark's sense of duty and responsibility was learned more from Jonathan & Martha than anywhere else.

I also think that Lana has become a person who wants to commit her life to bringing down villains like Lex - so she will encourage, not discourage Clark from devoting his life to doing that very thing. Truth be told, Clark is a Superman, not a farmboy. Truth be told, Lana is a woman who has been victimized repeatedly, and her growth requires her to fight back, not retreat into a fantasy life of bliss with her imaginary prince charming. Clark & Lana will come to help each other become the person they are meant to be. She will help him to be all that he can be. He will help her to become all that she can be. And THAT, my friends, is the definition of LOVE.

[jazel]

Truth be told, Lana is a woman who has been victimized repeatedly, and her growth requires her to fight back, not retreat into a fantasy life of bliss with her imaginary prince charming.

But that my friend, is exactly what she did with Biz. Emotionally Lana has issues, and I'm not seeing any healthy growth for the character.
Lana has been victimized, due to her own actions (turning to Lex).
Think she is beyond CK's help.

[jennyflang01]

Well see, here's the thing....Clark is the main character on the show. And Lex is the second most important character. And Lana is always mucking up their storylines. So, she's sort of hard to ignore. Since I suspect a lot of people want to discuss Clark, and his storyline, and his character development, then unfortuntately, you also have to discuss Lana since she seems to impact that in such a detrimental way. Heck, I'd love NOT to discuss Lana. Move her away from Clark, and I promise, I'll ignore her completely :)



IMO, Lana didn't have to TEACH Clark anything. What an insult to Clark. Why would Clark need to be "taught" to love? To "have a heart". IMO, Clark has the biggest heart of anyone on the show, not Lana. Certainly not Lana. He's had love from his parents all his life. He's had deep, important friendships in Pete and Chloe. Clark knows how to love, and always has. Lana hasn't had to teach him squat, and quite frankly, given the up and down nature of their long running relationship, I think Lana has done far more to make Clark feel like a failure and a disappointment then taught him how to love. Heck, I don't even know what thats supposed to mean, except for a claim to pump up Lana's significance.

Clark would still be compassionate, and loving even if never met Lana Lang.

I never said Clark's heart is only coming from Lana....But come on, he's always loved her as far as he can remember....She's the first person he truly loved...is this statement not true??
And they've always had up and downs, why? because Clark was afraid to tell her first because he was insecure and then because he wanted to protect her....
If I recall well, Clark would do everything for Lana....he went back in time to save her...
Can you deny he loves her? I don't think so...And that's the very reason why she has a meaning in SV
Being with her is what Clark has always wanted and the fact that she will finally tell him that the world needs him more is very respectable. She'll be the last push towards his destiny....
Now, I'm 100% sure that if there hadn't been Lana on this show but just Clark, Chloe, Pete and the destiny storyline...the show wouldn't have lasted 7 years....
It would be the same as saying Lois isn't necessary in Superman's life....she has the same effect on Clark as Lana, he'd go back in time to save her, he even gives up his powers for her and leaves the world under Zod's control....
So honestly, Lana is just as legitimate in SV as Lois is in the Superman storyline

[BadToad]

I never said Clark's heart is only coming from Lana....But come on, he's always loved her as far as he can remember....She's the first person he truly loved...is this statement not true??

You said..."BUT would we want a superhero without a heart??? that's his greatest strength and Lana taught him that"

So, you actually meant Lana, and his parents, and Pete, and Chloe, etc taught him that? Because clearly, Clark's heart and his ability to love was not bestowed on him by Lana.

Hey, here's a concept...maybe CLARK taught LANA to love and to have a heart.


Being with her is what Clark has always wanted and the fact that she will finally tell him that the world needs him more is very respectable. She'll be the last push towards his destiny

Well yes, if the end of SV is a Clana fan fiction, then I have no doubt it will be all about Lana being the sacrifical martyr who has to push Clark to his destiny.

The fact that this reflects terribly on Clark Kent, and who he should be, and what motivates him is, apparently, completely immaterial. Because after all, thats not about Lana. :rolleyes:


Now, I'm 100% sure that if there hadn't been Lana on this show but just Clark, Chloe, Pete and the destiny storyline...the show wouldn't have lasted 7 years....

And I'm 100% sure it would've. In fact, I think it would've had a bigger audience. But neither one of us will ever really know, will we?

[Dustmite]

Now, when Bizarro showed up, he was exactly like Clark, except WITHOUT CLARK's WEAKNESSES. He was able to meet Lana's emotional needs because he has no sense of responsibility to saving the world with his abilities. He is willing to be selfish & use his abilities only for finding happiness with Lana. Lana naturally fell in love with a "perfect" Clark, he's what she always wanted Clark to be, for her.

So by your definition Clarks weakness is his desire to help other instead of being selfish and dedicating every minute to Lana. If this is the perfect Clark Kent, then thank God, he existed only as a twisted phantom with Clark's face but none of his ideals.


NOW, finally, after all of these years, Clark & Lana can BEGIN to really get to know each other.

How can they be in love when they don't even know each other and if after seven years they are only beginning to get to know each other then there is something seriously flawed with their realtionship.


And they've always had up and downs, why? because Clark was afraid to tell her first because he was insecure and then because he wanted to protect her....

And what about now. Why can't they make it work now. We're 10 episodes into the season and the rollercoaster is still heading South.


Now, I'm 100% sure that if there hadn't been Lana on this show but just Clark, Chloe, Pete and the destiny storyline...the show wouldn't have lasted 7 years....

I believe the exact opposite and you missed out Lex. The story was always billed to be about Clark and Lex.


So honestly, Lana is just as legitimate in SV as Lois is in the Superman storyline

Lois has a purpose and a drive separate of just being a love interest and her relationship with Clark has never to my knowledge been as dysfunctional as Clana on SV.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Just can't believe, CK can sleep in the same bed(w/ Lana,) where Biz/Lana did the nasty,lol.

My father slept in the same bad HIS grandfather died in. Creepy!:\

For once though, I'd like Clark to not keep saying 'it's all my fault' 'I know this is MY fault' 'If it weren't for me this never would have happened.'

Just once a 'I can't believe you did this!' 'Why did you do this?' 'I don't understand why you felt you had to do this.' Anything like that to Lana.

I know it isn't her fault that Bizarro conned her, he was a very good con-chest burster :p but it does speak to me of how well Clana know eachother . . . which is very little. Their whole relationship has been based on years of superficial attraction and the illusion of who they thought the other was.

Clark in "Labryinth" was presented with a very pod-person Lana and still allowed himself to believe that was the Lana he loved.

Lana in "Persona" was presented with a Clark that had little qualms about anything, a Clark she's NEVER seen before and still believed it was her boyfriend without any qualms.

In both instances they were being conned by a Phantom but if they really knew one another they would have been at least moderately skeptical. CLANA has been a fantasy/dream for both Clark and Lana, and it would seem that the 'dream' is more appealing than the reality.

This is probably where the 'but Chloe didn't figure it out at first either' argument comes in. Chloe didn't spend NEARLY as much time with Bizarro!Clark as Lana did and the first instant that Clark started acting in a way Chloe was unfamiliar with she was wary. Not jumping to conclusions but wary and when she took that concern to Lana she {Lana} wanted Chloe to just forget it. Again the dream was more appealing than the reality and I think the reason Lana didn't want to hear it from Chloe was because she didn't want that dream tainted.

[kentfamily]

Just goes to show you how people are so different from each other. Each person sees differently and interpret things differently.

All I saw of the ending was how hurt Clark looked and how Lana felt soo bad. After what Bizarro said and what Lana said at Queen's place, seemed to be true. And has gotten him to think. It leaves to think what you want to think. Draw your own conclusion.

[jennyflang01]

You said..."BUT would we want a superhero without a heart??? that's his greatest strength and Lana taught him that"

So, you actually meant Lana, and his parents, and Pete, and Chloe, etc taught him that? Because clearly, Clark's heart and his ability to love was not bestowed on him by Lana.

Hey, here's a concept...maybe CLARK taught LANA to love and to have a heart.



Well yes, if the end of SV is a Clana fan fiction, then I have no doubt it will be all about Lana being the sacrifical martyr who has to push Clark to his destiny.

The fact that this reflects terribly on Clark Kent, and who he should be, and what motivates him is, apparently, completely immaterial. Because after all, thats not about Lana. :rolleyes:



And I'm 100% sure it would've. In fact, I think it would've had a bigger audience. But neither one of us will ever really know, will we?

When I say Lana taught him love, i'm talking about romance....is he in love with anyone else on the show??
And i'll tell you what...SV is also a business and if clana didn't work for the ratings, it wouldn't be there...They've used it for a very long time and if it didn't work we would know by now...
And I think rooting for this relationship is more legitimate than rooting for one that had only one romantic moment back in season 1 or a twisted one like Lexana....
And so what, Lana helps him become Superman...his superhero image is damaged because of that...meaning he doesn't need anyone?? I think you are missing on the human part of CK..he feels, make mistakes, learn...and yes eventually he'll choose to save the world but he doesn't mean he's gonna do it all alone... He will be influenced by Lana among others...

See here is the difference between you and me: I respect all the characters equally for their purpose in the storyline.
Pete &Chloe (the best friend), Lex (the former friend), Lois (the future partner and love), Lionel (the eternally dual figure), Clark's parents (who raised him to be a great man) and Lana ( the young sweetheart)....
I'm never saying that one character is more important than another, they all play an important role in who becomes Clark...But I'm defending Lana because it seems like the ONLY character you don't respect at all....
Now as we know you can't deny Clark and Lana love each other in SV....what's so bad about Lana being in SV? What bad effects does she have on the show? I haven't seen any constructive point of view saying why you don't like her....it's always about pointing where I'm missing a point...well, i'd like to have that point explained...

[IloveClark]

Even if I didn't know about bizarro and this was my first episode in awhile I could tell it wasn't Clark in like 5 seconds.Or at least something was off with him.He doesn't say or do things like Clark would.Lana 's never been very bright .Even after Clark told her the truth she was in denial.The way Lana talked to Chloe was completely wrong.I'm just happy Clans isn't destined.Anyway I didn't say this to piss anyone off.Just putting my 2 cents in.Peace.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Even if I didn't know about bizarro and this was my first episode in awhile I could tell it wasn't Clark in like 5 seconds.Or at least something was off with him.He doesn't say or do things like Clark would.Lana 's never been very bright .Even after Clark told her the truth she was in denial.The way Lana talked to Chloe was completely wrong.I'm just happy Clans isn't destined.Anyway I didn't say this to piss anyone off.Just putting my 2 cents in.Peace.

Lana makes a comment in Persona that suggest she's been with Bizarro for a month. You are right, you can tell after a while that something was off with Clark, maybe not that he was Bizarro, but that he wasn't acting entirely like he normally does.

Chloe didn't realise it at first, but once he slipped up in the act she caught it. He must have done some things within that month with Lana that were noticeably UN Clark like.

[BadToad]

And i'll tell you what...SV is also a business and if clana didn't work for the ratings, it wouldn't be there...They've used it for a very long time and if it didn't work we would know by now...

And ratings have declined steadily for years. But there are other elements on the show rather then Clana, and what the ratings would've been WITHOUT it are impossible to suppose. You think they would've been worse, I think they may have been better. We shall never know.


And I think rooting for this relationship is more legitimate than rooting for one that had only one romantic moment back in season 1 or a twisted one like Lexana....

I don't root for any ships. Period. I root for Clark Kent to be the best he can be. Lana has always, and continues to, effect this character adversely. I think Clark is at his weakest when he's around Lana. I think the utter ridiculousness of everyone falling at Lana's feet is detrimental to the show overall.


And so what, Lana helps him become Superman...his superhero image is damaged because of that...meaning he doesn't need anyone?? I think you are missing on the human part of CK..he feels, make mistakes, learn...and yes eventually he'll choose to save the world but he doesn't mean he's gonna do it all alone... He will be influenced by Lana among others...

Being influenced, and being "pushed" or "let go" is not remotely the same thing. Lana, as well as everyone around him, influences Clark. But Clark should make the decision to become Superman because of what is in his own heart, and what he feels is his calling. Not have Lana push him, or let him go.


Now as we know you can't deny Clark and Lana love each other in SV....what's so bad about Lana being in SV? What bad effects does she have on the show? I haven't seen any constructive point of view saying why you don't like her....it's always about pointing where I'm missing a point...well, i'd like to have that point explained...

I'll put it simply for you....I dislike the effect that Lana has on the 2 most prominent characters on this show, but particulary Clark Kent. Trying to explain anything else would seem an exercise in futility.

[redraven]

Wow, it's amazing how many different takes people can have on this show. Here's mine:

Lana loves Clark Kent. But he does have weaknesses & fears, which hinder their relationship, just like she does. In Wrath, we saw that Clark had been living in a blissful dream world for the first few weeks after Lana came back, wanting to experience the perfect life with her that he always wanted. So he didn't look below the surface to see Lana for who she really is - not a perfect person, but someone with faults & weaknesses & hurts, like everyone else.

Now, when Bizarro showed up, he was exactly like Clark, except WITHOUT CLARK's WEAKNESSES. He was able to meet Lana's emotional needs because he has no sense of responsibility to saving the world with his abilities. He is willing to be selfish & use his abilities only for finding happiness with Lana. Lana naturally fell in love with a "perfect" Clark, he's what she always wanted Clark to be, for her. So she fell into the same trap, and failed to look below the surface, because she was now living her dream life with her dream Clark.

Once Lana discovered, however, that Bizarro had deceived her in a way Clark never would, she would no longer be able to love him. It was never the PHANTOM that Lana loved, because he never showed his true self to her, he hid it from her, content to try to live the lie of "being" Clark Kent. So Lana was in love with an image of Clark that doesn't exist, just like he had been in love with an image of Lana that doesn't exist.

NOW, finally, after all of these years, Clark & Lana can BEGIN to really get to know each other - strip away their fantasies, and take an honest look at each other. They will finally see each other clearly, and choose to love each other in spite of their faults. I think they will discover the true meaning of love for the first time together - love is sacrificial.

A part of Lana wants Clark to devote himself entirely to her. Another part of her believes that he is meant for the world, and she doesn't want to hold him back. Clark is the same. A part of him just wants to be a normal farmer, and live a normal life with Lana raising a family. Another part of him feels compelled to do what is right with his abilities for the good of the world. In the end, I think Clark & Lana will mutually agree that the world needs Clark more than she does, & they will sacrifice their dream for the good of the world. Clark's sense of duty and responsibility was learned more from Jonathan & Martha than anywhere else.

I also think that Lana has become a person who wants to commit her life to bringing down villains like Lex - so she will encourage, not discourage Clark from devoting his life to doing that very thing. Truth be told, Clark is a Superman, not a farmboy. Truth be told, Lana is a woman who has been victimized repeatedly, and her growth requires her to fight back, not retreat into a fantasy life of bliss with her imaginary prince charming. Clark & Lana will come to help each other become the person they are meant to be. She will help him to be all that he can be. He will help her to become all that she can be. And THAT, my friends, is the definition of LOVE.

Great post. :) It pretty much sums up my feelings on the situation.

[jennyflang01]

And ratings have declined steadily for years. But there are other elements on the show rather then Clana, and what the ratings would've been WITHOUT it are impossible to suppose. You think they would've been worse, I think they may have been better. We shall never know.



I don't root for any ships. Period. I root for Clark Kent to be the best he can be. Lana has always, and continues to, effect this character adversely. I think Clark is at his weakest when he's around Lana. I think the utter ridiculousness of everyone falling at Lana's feet is detrimental to the show overall.



Being influenced, and being "pushed" or "let go" is not remotely the same thing. Lana, as well as everyone around him, influences Clark. But Clark should make the decision to become Superman because of what is in his own heart, and what he feels is his calling. Not have Lana push him, or let him go.



I'll put it simply for you....I dislike the effect that Lana has on the 2 most prominent characters on this show, but particulary Clark Kent. Trying to explain anything else would seem an exercise in futility.

Yes, I think you are right on that point....there is nothing more to explain, you just dislike Lana. I don't really agree with the fact that Clark is at it weakest when he's with Lana but I can see some truth in it. However, it's not because he's Superman that he can't be weak sometimes in certain aspects of his life...He's not perfect eventhough he's a noble icon...To me, it's part of his human side, period!

[Dustmite]

Yes, I think you are right on that point....there is nothing more to explain, you just dislike Lana.

:confused: She listed reasons for her dislike. Clark and Lex act like idiots around Lana. She has a negative impact on both characters and her only purpose on the story is to either be someone's girlfriend or a pawn to be fought over.


However, it's not because he's Superman that he can't be weak sometimes in certain aspects of his life...He's not perfect eventhough he's a noble icon...To me, it's part of his human side, period!

Lana brings out the worst in Clark and that has nothing to do with either his human or alien side.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

:confused: She listed reasons for her dislike. Clark and Lex act like idiots around Lana. She has a negative impact on both characters....

Technically, we have to blame THEM for that, and not Lana.....
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[Dustmite]

Technically, we have to blame THEM for that, and not Lana.....
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I know but I think the question asked of BadToad was 'what's so bad about Lana being on SV?' and for me it's her impact on those two.

[jennyflang01]

:confused: She listed reasons for her dislike. Clark and Lex act like idiots around Lana. She has a negative impact on both characters and her only purpose on the story is to either be someone's girlfriend or a pawn to be fought over.



Lana brings out the worst in Clark and that has nothing to do with either his human or alien side.

Totally disagree with you...I wanted to know in what sense she was bad...
Secondly, the worst in Clark?Why? because when he's with her, he'd do anything for her, leave everything behind...he's all foolish in her presence? Doesn't that just mean he loves her?

But anyway, It's like everything is about how bad Lana is,...it's like you all have to be obsessed about this. Why not focus on the "good" things that happen in SV according to your standards...
I don't always like what Lana does but I think she has her place in SV and does love Clark. I also happen to think that KK has grown to portray her very well and that the ending scene of Persona was very intense whatever its meaning was... and that is due to 2 things: what writers have given these two characters over the years and the work both actors...
Again, I respect other characters and I think they are all important, that's why I don't really understand this stigma around Lana in particular....

[RJLCyberPunk]

Totally disagree with you...I wanted to know in what sense she was bad...
Secondly, the worst in Clark?Why? because when he's with her, he'd do anything for her, leave everything behind...he's all foolish in her presence? Doesn't that just mean he loves her?

But anyway, It's like everything is about how bad Lana is,...it's like you all have to be obsessed about this. Why not focus on the "good" things that happen in SV according to your standards...
I don't always like what Lana does but I think she has her place in SV and does love Clark. I also happen to think that KK has grown to portray her very well and that the ending scene of Persona was very intense whatever its meaning was... and that is due to 2 things: what writers have given these two characters over the years and the work both actors...
Again, I respect other characters and I think they are all important, that's why I don't really understand this stigma around Lana in particular....
You and me both! I too will never understand this obsession certain fans have with what is canon character anyway. We know that in Superman's Youth Lana was very much the love of his life until they both realized that it was never going to work and became really good friends from then on and that's how it will probably end too just like it did with Chloe. But the obsession some here have goes beyond comprehension even if the relationship- ended and became friends just like Chloe is I know a lot of them will always simply have nothing but venom to spout against the character! It's insane...

[jimmyolsenblues]

I posted this in a very similar thread .

the unfortunate real reason clana ain't dying, is the writers. Almiles love them some clana.
For me I would love to see some more superman mythology.
See Clark solve some crimes using his brain.
Maybe getting a request from the CIA or NSA for some clandestine covert op that only Superman could do.

But unfortunately for me , I will get none of that, is same old gruel......Clana heaping helpings of Clana, because writers love Clana's and krypto-freaks :(

[Clana4Life]

Wow, it's amazing how many different takes people can have on this show. Here's mine:

Lana loves Clark Kent. But he does have weaknesses & fears, which hinder their relationship, just like she does. In Wrath, we saw that Clark had been living in a blissful dream world for the first few weeks after Lana came back, wanting to experience the perfect life with her that he always wanted. So he didn't look below the surface to see Lana for who she really is - not a perfect person, but someone with faults & weaknesses & hurts, like everyone else.

Now, when Bizarro showed up, he was exactly like Clark, except WITHOUT CLARK's WEAKNESSES. He was able to meet Lana's emotional needs because he has no sense of responsibility to saving the world with his abilities. He is willing to be selfish & use his abilities only for finding happiness with Lana. Lana naturally fell in love with a "perfect" Clark, he's what she always wanted Clark to be, for her. So she fell into the same trap, and failed to look below the surface, because she was now living her dream life with her dream Clark.

Once Lana discovered, however, that Bizarro had deceived her in a way Clark never would, she would no longer be able to love him. It was never the PHANTOM that Lana loved, because he never showed his true self to her, he hid it from her, content to try to live the lie of "being" Clark Kent. So Lana was in love with an image of Clark that doesn't exist, just like he had been in love with an image of Lana that doesn't exist.

NOW, finally, after all of these years, Clark & Lana can BEGIN to really get to know each other - strip away their fantasies, and take an honest look at each other. They will finally see each other clearly, and choose to love each other in spite of their faults. I think they will discover the true meaning of love for the first time together - love is sacrificial.

A part of Lana wants Clark to devote himself entirely to her. Another part of her believes that he is meant for the world, and she doesn't want to hold him back. Clark is the same. A part of him just wants to be a normal farmer, and live a normal life with Lana raising a family. Another part of him feels compelled to do what is right with his abilities for the good of the world. In the end, I think Clark & Lana will mutually agree that the world needs Clark more than she does, & they will sacrifice their dream for the good of the world. Clark's sense of duty and responsibility was learned more from Jonathan & Martha than anywhere else.

I also think that Lana has become a person who wants to commit her life to bringing down villains like Lex - so she will encourage, not discourage Clark from devoting his life to doing that very thing. Truth be told, Clark is a Superman, not a farmboy. Truth be told, Lana is a woman who has been victimized repeatedly, and her growth requires her to fight back, not retreat into a fantasy life of bliss with her imaginary prince charming. Clark & Lana will come to help each other become the person they are meant to be. She will help him to be all that he can be. He will help her to become all that she can be. And THAT, my friends, is the definition of LOVE.

I know quoting everything you said takes up a lot of room, but I didn't want to cut anything. It was so perfectly worded. I hope that AL & Miles take a look at this forum. I actually want to print this post off and mail it to them. I think you hit the nail right on the mark, SVSlueth. I really enoyed reading your post. :)

[jazel]

My father slept in the same bad HIS grandfather died in. Creepy!:\

For once though, I'd like Clark to not keep saying 'it's all my fault' 'I know this is MY fault' 'If it weren't for me this never would have happened.'

Just once a 'I can't believe you did this!' 'Why did you do this?' 'I don't understand why you felt you had to do this.' Anything like that to Lana.

I know it isn't her fault that Bizarro conned her, he was a very good con-chest burster :p but it does speak to me of how well Clana know eachother . . . which is very little. Their whole relationship has been based on years of superficial attraction and the illusion of who they thought the other was.

Clark in "Labryinth" was presented with a very pod-person Lana and still allowed himself to believe that was the Lana he loved.

Lana in "Persona" was presented with a Clark that had little qualms about anything, a Clark she's NEVER seen before and still believed it was her boyfriend without any qualms.

In both instances they were being conned by a Phantom but if they really knew one another they would have been at least moderately skeptical. CLANA has been a fantasy/dream for both Clark and Lana, and it would seem that the 'dream' is more appealing than the reality.

This is probably where the 'but Chloe didn't figure it out at first either' argument comes in. Chloe didn't spend NEARLY as much time with Bizarro!Clark as Lana did and the first instant that Clark started acting in a way Chloe was unfamiliar with she was wary. Not jumping to conclusions but wary and when she took that concern to Lana she {Lana} wanted Chloe to just forget it. Again the dream was more appealing than the reality and I think the reason Lana didn't want to hear it from Chloe was because she didn't want that dream tainted.

Sorry, about your dad's sleeping arrangements.:(

I agree with EVERYTHING, you said.:D

Apparently, TPTB at SV believe, there is NOTHING Lana can't do (that's unforgivable), or CK won't take the blame for, when it comes to her.:lol:
Kind of reminds me of a parent , "defending" their serial killer child......but he was such a good,loving child.:lol:

[SweetOne]

My father slept in the same bad HIS grandfather died in. Creepy!:\

For once though, I'd like Clark to not keep saying 'it's all my fault' 'I know this is MY fault' 'If it weren't for me this never would have happened.'

Just once a 'I can't believe you did this!' 'Why did you do this?' 'I don't understand why you felt you had to do this.' Anything like that to Lana.

I know it isn't her fault that Bizarro conned her, he was a very good con-chest burster :p but it does speak to me of how well Clana know eachother . . . which is very little. Their whole relationship has been based on years of superficial attraction and the illusion of who they thought the other was.

Clark in "Labryinth" was presented with a very pod-person Lana and still allowed himself to believe that was the Lana he loved.

Lana in "Persona" was presented with a Clark that had little qualms about anything, a Clark she's NEVER seen before and still believed it was her boyfriend without any qualms.

In both instances they were being conned by a Phantom but if they really knew one another they would have been at least moderately skeptical. CLANA has been a fantasy/dream for both Clark and Lana, and it would seem that the 'dream' is more appealing than the reality.

This is probably where the 'but Chloe didn't figure it out at first either' argument comes in. Chloe didn't spend NEARLY as much time with Bizarro!Clark as Lana did and the first instant that Clark started acting in a way Chloe was unfamiliar with she was wary. Not jumping to conclusions but wary and when she took that concern to Lana she {Lana} wanted Chloe to just forget it. Again the dream was more appealing than the reality and I think the reason Lana didn't want to hear it from Chloe was because she didn't want that dream tainted.

I loved your post!! I agree with everything....well actually maybe not the part "I know it isn't her fault that Bizarro conned her..." because Lana needs to take the blame for something!! Clark always absolves her of any responsibility!

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Kind of reminds me of a parent , "defending" their serial killer child......but he was such a good,loving child.:lol:

Great analogy!! LOL

BTW jazel, I don't think we have EVER agreed on a subject before.....it's kind of neat!

[jazel]

BUT would we want a superhero without a heart??? that's his greatest strength and Lana taught him that...there's now way to deny this fact....

Fact ? :lol:
PLEASE don't give credit to Lana, for instilling in Superman, his great strength. She ALWAYS has him, DOUBTING himself.:(
Clark ALWAYS had a BIG loving heart, she taught him nothing. She couldn't accept him w/ his secrets. Running to Lex, knowing he was trouble. IF Lana taught him anything, she taught him NEVER to trust one person, with your own happiness.:lol:

[RepairmanBob]

BUT would we want a superhero without a heart??? that's his greatest strength and Lana taught him that...there's now way to deny this fact....
I could not disagree any more.

Jonathan and Martha, if anyone deserve credit for helping to establish Clark's morals, including his giant heart and his willingness to help others.

How many times has Lana complains and attacked Clark about keeping secrets? How many times has she gone to mock Clark when she gets a new boyfriend (Adam, Jason, Lex) about how she finally has someone who she can trust? Only to run back to Clark the instant things get tough? Heck, she even complained that the crazy meteor freak who nearly killed her in Magnetic was honest with her!

I get that Lana was Clark's first love, and that your first love always holds a special place in your heart. Cool. But it has been seven years, and they are still dancing around each other. Clark feels guilty about things he has no control over, Lana feels Clark is not doing enough - been there, done that, over and over again. Clark's dysfunctional relationship with Lana has screwed him up so badly, I have no idea how he will ever form a healthy relationship with Lois in the future.

[PepsiMax]

Yep. That scene is the beginning of the break up. I hope they get it over and done with within the last couple of episodes of the current season. He is supposed to start liking Lois at the end of this season isn't he? Hope he does.

[boingo]

You and me both! I too will never understand this obsession certain fans have with what is canon character anyway. We know that in Superman's Youth Lana was very much the love of his life until they both realized that it was never going to work and became really good friends from then on and that's how it will probably end too just like it did with Chloe. But the obsession some here have goes beyond comprehension even if the relationship- ended and became friends just like Chloe is I know a lot of them will always simply have nothing but venom to spout against the character! It's insane...

It is INSANE.

Hence why I stopped getting involved in pointless discussions here...I have come to realize that there are some posters that are going to hate no matter what....they ALWAYS have and ALWAYS will...no matter what is presented on screen....it is nothing new really...it is just after so many seasons of it and now being so close to the end of this show's run I see no point in getting worked up about it anymore :cool:

For many, Lana will always be hated on here no matter what she does. She does a heroic gesture and she gets criticized for it, she doesn't and she gets criticized for it...Clana will always be hated on here no matter what goes on....and Clark will always be the dumb alien when it comes to Lana...blah blah blah...same ol' ****

It is rather INSANE how many go out of their way just to bash Lana/Clana usually just for the sake of bashing...As was pointed out, the amount of time spent talking/obsessing about Lana's character is INSANE...not even her own fans like myself spend as much time obsessing about her character...I will never forget the countless posts and several threads dedicated on the one minute of airtime Lana's character had in "Bizzaro"....ONE MINUTE...without dialogue and some people still found something to bash her character about...I guess whether it be haters/lovers Lana is sure a popular character in the amount of time spent talking about her...

Anyway, I love Clark and Lana's relationship on this show. I love Lana Lang's character on this show and I am not alone....I have been enjoying these characters and their story for the past 6 years....I admit that I have had criticism over the writing over the years but overall the actors, the crew, the direction, special effects, music..etc. have all kept me watching and have kept me entertained all of these years (which is what a TV show is all about for me)....and "Persona" is a perfect example of this....the last Clana scene is a perfect example of this.....but while I take pleasure in enjoying what I like some it seems take pleasure in ONLY focusing in what they don't...to each their own, I guess.

So yea, it is INSANE lol

[Spaniard]

I have come to realize that there are some posters that are going to hate no matter what....they ALWAYS have and ALWAYS will...no matter what is presented on screen

Well, there are some posters who worship Lana no matter what she does, always justifying her actions and even blaming other character for Lana's decisions.

Yeah, sometimes "Lana bashing" is unjustified and annoying, but the true is that the majority of posters you name "bashers" give arguments about why they don't like Lana. You can agree or not, but they give arguments. Lana worshippers almost never argument anything (and some arguments are pathetic, like blaming other characters for her actions). Most of them just limit to say how wonderful she is and to label everybody who does not think like them as "bashers", and that is even more annoying.

[Samtastic]

I can defiantly see Clana coming to end. I could tell when she was talking to Bizarro, she meant every word of it. Else she wouldn't have waited to hit him with the blue K. She LOVES Bizarro, Not Clark. The same goes for Clark, he doesn't love Lana. He just hopes and wishes he does, for some crazy reason. Even Bizarro said it. It's backwards, duh! Bizarro love Lana, that means Clark doesn't.

Haha... SNAP! Love it... yeah, that episode was SO obvious that Clana is sooo over! In fact I'm getting really sick of it... it should have been over the second she started being with Lex... she'll turn out to be the Smallville whore... seriously. Anyway... this may just be my Chlark side talking, but I thought it was cool that Chloe was the one to figure something out (I mean we all knew she would anyway.) Not saying that Chloe and Clark belong together (even though I think they DO!) But just that fact that someone he wasn't dating or seeing knew him better than the "love of his life" *sarcastic* that's just messed up.

RANT OVER

[jennyflang01]

Well, there are some posters who worship Lana no matter what she does, always justifying her actions and even blaming other character for Lana's decisions.

Yeah, sometimes "Lana bashing" is unjustified and annoying, but the true is that the majority of posters you name "bashers" give arguments about why they don't like Lana. You can agree or not, but they give arguments. Lana worshippers almost never argument anything (and some arguments are pathetic, like blaming other characters for her actions). Most of them just limit to say how wonderful she is and to label everybody who does not think like them as "bashers", and that is even more annoying.

I have arguments. Here is one: When Lana married Lex because she thought Lionel was going to kill Clark and then stayed with Lex, secretly helping Clark...like that time when LEx and Clark were both trapped in the tunnel gallery.
She made a sacrifice to help Clark in the exact same conditions he did back in Season 5 when he broke up with her....
So, that's one of the reason I can't dislike this character and even like it.
I don't always agree with what she says or does but still....I don't say I like her period.
Now, when people here say it's because she has a bad effect on Clark, I'd like to have a practical clear example, not a fuzzy general comment....

Now, Gough/Millar said it before, when people keep on talking/writing, it means they still care...so I guess the more you bash Lana, the more Lana screentime we'll get.....
....Lucky Clana/Lana shippers....lol

But seriously, if you are a shipper ther than clana, why don't you talk about this....(or maybe there is nada to talk about...) or if you are all about Clark's destiny, talk about this....Or maybe it's easier to talk negative than talk positive...
Maybe you should just put some water in your wine about Lana....because I know on other sites, some Clana/lana shippers are extreme, but most of them are moderate (there are some negative things about Lana too sometimes) and if there is some Chloe or Lois bashing, there is no board/ thread devoted to bashing these characters!!:p
Obsessions die hard, just like in Lex's case;)

[Jaderoyale]

I'm a Clana shipper.
For the simple fact that we know shes Clarks first love. Before he falls for Lois. I've always liked Lana as a character, fair enough i don't agree with some of the things she's done over the last 2 seaons, but i believe thats the way she's growing as a character.
She makes mistakes like any other human, but sadly for her, her mistakes are just larger. Like sleeping with your bfs evil clone. Thats not something she particularly intended to happen.

[Dustmite]

.Yeah, sometimes "Lana bashing" is unjustified and annoying, but the true is that the majority of posters you name "bashers" give arguments about why they don't like Lana.

I think I'm definitely considered a Lana basher by some despite the fact that I've defended Lana on occasion when the vitroil against has her been extreme. For instance, some people consider Lana 'loose' for sleeping with two men, I don't see any reason in that line of thinking.


Well, there are some posters who worship Lana no matter what she does, always justifying her actions and even blaming other character for Lana's decisions

That's one of my pet hates. Clark, Lex and Chloe are blamed for Lana decision as if she's some sort of robot that they program to act in a certain way.

[grazivity]

i think it's just lana being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
if you were lana and clark was saying all the right things, all the things you wanted him to say. you'd give in too.

plus..kristen kreuk is WAY WAY to hot to stay mad at for long :D

[BadToad]

I have a suggestion....why don't posters stop telling people what they can, and cannot like, and what they can, or cannot comment on. Obviously, if you feel someone is unfairly bashing poor perfect Lana, who don't need to comment on the topic, right?

I'm a Clark fan, and there are constantly threads bashing Clark on this board. All the time! Such is life. I can argue against it, but I can't tell people they have no right to their opinions.

And last I noticed, there are a lot of threads about this episode on this board. And not every single one of them is about Lana. There are threads about Jor-El, threads about Lex, threads about Chlark.

Here are the facts, Lana was in this episode a lot. Lana's actions in this episode are definitely up for debate. Lana shared many of her scenes with the most prominent character, Clark, and the most prominent guest character, Bizarro. So, naturally, Lana's actions in this episode are going to come up for scrutiny. And whether one likes it or not, not every viewer is going to come away with the belief that the sun shines out of her backside.

If you are uncomfortable dealing with opinions other then your own group mind, a board that encourages and allows opinions of all variety to be posted is probably not going to be a comfortable place for you. IMO

[Luthorism]

finally!!! It's time for Clois now. If i don't see them together at the very end of this tv show. I'll commit suicide.. lol.

[Dannyblue1]

Now, Gough/Millar said it before, when people keep on talking/writing, it means they still care...

Which is crap. If this is their philosophy, they don't know squat about psychology 101.

People like talking about things that bug them. In fact, studies have been done on this. Ask a bunch of people to tell you what they think about a product. People who were unhappy about the product are more likely to give a review than those who were happy. And, while some happy customers might give a short review (like, "I thought it was great,") an unhappy customer is more likely to explain, in great detail, all the reasons why they hated the product.

The reason? People who are unhappy about something have more reasons to vent about it. They need an outlet for their frustration, displeasure, discontent, etc.

So, like I said, the idea that, as long as people are talking, it's a good thing because it shows they care, is (my new favorite word) crap. What it shows is that they are ticked off.


Or maybe it's easier to talk negative than talk positive...

Like I said, it's not so much easier to talk negative, people just have a desire to talk about things that bug them in order to get it out. And, when a character or storyline on a TV show bugs you, it's good to be able to come to a forum like this and talk about it. Heck, that's what forums like this are for.

[RepairmanBob]

I am a huge Chlark fan. That said, I would prefer to see Clark with Lois than Lana.

Or Lex.
Or Ollie.
Or BC.
Or... well, anyone other than Lana, really.

BadToad - major WORD. If Clark can be bashed because he drove poor, helpless Lana into Bizarro's arms by not being supportive enough, then Lana can surely be bashed for not recognizing she was sleeping with a bad guy. Again.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Which is crap. If this is their philosophy, they don't know squat about psychology 101.
I agree. I've always felt offended as a(n ex-) fan of this show, when Al said that.
:mad:

[LovelyLoisLane]

It's not so much easier to talk negative, people just have a desire to talk about things that bug them in order to get it out. And, when a character or storyline on a TV show bugs you, it's good to be able to come to a forum like this and talk about it. Heck, that's what forums like this are for.


So much word!

Unless K-site is being run by a dictator that will blow our heads off for not all agreeing with one another, which it isn't by the way, everyone can state their opinion. If you disagree than explain why you disagree, don't insult the other person for not agreeing with you.

Getting angry and insulting other posters for having complaints about a character is no different than saying "If you don't agree with the perfection of "insert character name here" you have no right to post" That's messed up.

Back to the issue . . .

I think Clark and Lana want it to work, which is why they cling to the dream, because the want it so badly. I didn't think the last scene made either of them appear to be 'whipped' but more like the couple in the movie "Unfaithful" Both still in their relationship but saddened, angry and confused because they knew at the end of that movie that their relationship couldn't last.

There is this quote, though I can't remember where I've seen it/read it.

"Love has to stop somewhere short of suicide."

I think Clana have reached that point and the end scene was them realising it and yet hoping against hope that it wasn't true. There was sadness in Lana's eyes when she came to realization that the person she had been so in love with that past month wasn't Clark, and equally when Bizarro said Clark wasn't in love with Lana the look in Clark's eyes was that same sad realization.

[redraven]

Haha... SNAP! Love it... yeah, that episode was SO obvious that Clana is sooo over!

Yeah it was SO obvious in the way they are STILL sleeping in the same bed. Oh! And the way Clark DIDN'T pull away when Lana touched his arm. Yep. So obvious! :D

[sabi908]

Geez whoo cares.......CLANA will end sooner or later....Lana will be reduced to a totally insignificant character (more like a thorn) in Clark Kent's future.

[kryptonaidxh]

:rolleyes:Oh, I can´t believe that Clark still slept in the same bed with her at the end, how can he stand that? he has been ver forgiving with her this season, he should have been asked her to pick up her stuff and leave his farm forever.:rolleyes:I want that Clana ends now.;)

[simplemath]

OMG!!! I'm the biggest clana fan ever but i really do think that clana will come to an end soon i mean that scene was way too awkward. I feel sorry for the both of them in a way that they realize that something is really wrong with their relationship and that it isnt really going to work. I mean the fact that lana did not recognize that bizarro wasnt clark was really sad. I hate that they are going to break up but i think in the circumstance that they are in right now the best thing to do is break up and move on with their lives...

[superman07]

I thought it showed some distance and hopefully an end to clana. We know it happens sooner or later but we can only hope for sooner.

[Clana4Life]

"Yeah, Clana's coming to an end soon...." Where have I heard that before? Oh, I remember - for the past 6 or 7 years. This is the longest "soon" I've ever seen. But, hey, to each his own; whatever floats your boat.

As for the Lana-bashing and obsessive hatred, I think it's cause she's pretty. :)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I'm pretty. Yet no one hates me.....
:lol:

[Dannyblue1]

As for the Lana-bashing and obsessive hatred, I think it's cause she's pretty. :)

This argument kills me for it's sheer lameness. Some of my favorite characters are extremely beautiful. I liked Lana at first. I thought she was cool when she quit cheerleading even though it was what everyone expected of her, and when she got a job (that she sucked at, but in a way I found cute) even though she didn't have to, because she wanted to pull her own weight. And, as far as I recall, she was as pretty then as she is now.

This "You're just jealous," argument that's been around forever is thin, and weak, and very insulting.

Lot's of people don't like Jimmy either. I guess it's because he's just so pretty.

[do3mire]

I think Clana have reached that point and the end scene was them realising it and yet hoping against hope that it wasn't true. There was sadness in Lana's eyes when she came to realization that the person she had been so in love with that past month wasn't Clark, and equally when Bizarro said Clark wasn't in love with Lana the look in Clark's eyes was that same sad realization.

I watched it again tonight. It was a great scene. The truth finally came out: From Bizarro who told Lana that Clark wouldn't commit his life to her and from Lana when she said she had been never more in love than with Biz. Clana is over. The only thing left is friendship at best. Yeah, I've read that we've been saying this forever now. But, it's different this time. Before it was always Clark's secret that was in the way. No more secrets, no more lies. Not just no more lies, but the whole truth.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I dunno..... If I found out I loved a phantom more than my girlfriend......I don't think I would be disappointed, or sad. I would be friggin freaked OUT!!! I would probably go and see a shrink..... I mean, c'mon.

[borednow]

Seriously, I would dump my SO just on the creepiness factor alone.
"I love you but I don't think either of us is going to be able to get that image out of our heads any time soon."

[do3mire]

I dunno..... If I found out I loved a phantom more than my girlfriend......I don't think I would be disappointed, or sad. I would be friggin freaked OUT!!! I would probably go and see a shrink..... I mean, c'mon.

Lana's not the shrink type of person. She knows the kind of person she is but doesnt have quite the courage to face up to it herself. Instead, she compensates by jumping from one relationship into another. Folks may "hate" Lana but from a story-telling POV, she's actually quite consistent. And, on the subject of shrinks, is Clark what you'd call passive aggressive?

[Dannyblue1]

And, on the subject of shrinks, is Clark what you'd call passive aggressive?

No, a passive aggressive person is someone who doesn't tell you they are mad at you or resentful of you outright. Instead, they do little things that look like accidents or misunderstandings to get back at you. For example, a friend is mad at you for something you did. While you're out, and they're at your house, they take an important call about something you need to do immediately. But they "forget" to tell you about it. You have to deal with all sorts of problems as a consequence, while they look like they just innocently forgot to pass on the message.

Sometimes passive aggressive people know what they are doing. Sometimes, it's a subconscious thing.

Clark isn't passive aggressive. He's just passive. He has this tendency to just let things go, let things happen, until he absolutely positively has no choice but to do something. He's a very, "Ignore the problems, and maybe they will go away," type of guy.

[do3mire]

Clark isn't passive aggressive. He's just passive. He has this tendency to just let things go, let things happen, until he absolutely positively has no choice but to do something. He's a very, "Ignore the problems, and maybe they will go away," type of guy.

Hmm!! Sounds familiar. :\

[miks]

okay so I'm sick of all these Clana lovers telling me that Clark and Lana love each other. How is that even possible?! They have no idea who the other is. So let me 'splain this one. In the beginning, Clark and Lana I guess grew up with each other, I think I remember Lana saying something about marrying each other when they were kids, but I think that was part of the whole AU in whatever episode with MM. Then they become teenagers, never to speak to each other again. In high school, Clark watches Lana from afar (i.e. telescope, literally peeping "Tom") He falls in love with a girl he knows nothing about, just that she lives next door, she's pretty, and likes to ride horses. Yeah they knew each other back in the day, but I'm pretty sure when you grow older and hit puberty, pretty much everything in your life changes. Okay, so this chick is dating a football player, but now notices Clark Kent. She eyes him, they speak very few words to each other and bam! All of the sudden, they are love struck. They date for two days, they break up, she finds someone else to hook up with yet keeps Clark on the back burner, then they date some more, then break up, she goes to his arch enemy Lex Luthor, thinks she's pregnant and gets married, now I was going to leave the marriage out because of Lionel, but wait a minute, Lionel didn't tell Lana if she didn't marry Lex blah blah blah, until she was going to leave him. So if she was going to leave him, she must have been with him for some period of time, on her own, no force, no coercion. So yeah. Anyway she marries Lex, tricks Clark into revealing his secret, I don't know which one came first, and decides wait a minute, I love Clark wayyy more then I love Lex, and Lex is EVOL! So she decides to fake her own death, without warning Clark, takes 10 mil from Lex, and also spies on him. And to top this wonderful relationship loving cake off, she doesn't realize for one entire month, that she's been cozying up with a phantom!

You know what guys, you're soo right. Clark and Lana ARE in love. What with the whole lying, cheating, crazy shenanigans going on! I can't believe I doubted you

[LoisJoanneKent]

okay so I'm sick of all these Clana lovers telling me that Clark and Lana love each other. How is that even possible?! They have no idea who the other is. So let me 'splain this one. In the beginning, Clark and Lana I guess grew up with each other, I think I remember Lana saying something about marrying each other when they were kids, but I think that was part of the whole AU in whatever episode with MM. Then they become teenagers, never to speak to each other again. In high school, Clark watches Lana from afar (i.e. telescope, literally peeping "Tom") He falls in love with a girl he knows nothing about, just that she lives next door, she's pretty, and likes to ride horses. Yeah they knew each other back in the day, but I'm pretty sure when you grow older and hit puberty, pretty much everything in your life changes. Okay, so this chick is dating a football player, but now notices Clark Kent. She eyes him, they speak very few words to each other and bam! All of the sudden, they are love struck. They date for two days, they break up, she finds someone else to hook up with yet keeps Clark on the back burner, then they date some more, then break up, she goes to his arch enemy Lex Luthor, thinks she's pregnant and gets married, now I was going to leave the marriage out because of Lionel, but wait a minute, Lionel didn't tell Lana if she didn't marry Lex blah blah blah, until she was going to leave him. So if she was going to leave him, she must have been with him for some period of time, on her own, no force, no coercion. So yeah. Anyway she marries Lex, tricks Clark into revealing his secret, I don't know which one came first, and decides wait a minute, I love Clark wayyy more then I love Lex, and Lex is EVOL! So she decides to fake her own death, without warning Clark, takes 10 mil from Lex, and also spies on him. And to top this wonderful relationship loving cake off, she doesn't realize for one entire month, that she's been cozying up with a phantom!

You know what guys, you're soo right. Clark and Lana ARE in love. What with the whole lying, cheating, crazy shenanigans going on! I can't believe I doubted you

Miks, you freakin' rock!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!! Now, as you well know, I'm a total Cloiser, but since this is before Clois is destined to happen, I don't see why Clark can't be with someone who actually places his feeling ahead of her own, say Chloe! All Lana does is belittle him (Wrath), accuse him of secrets and lies (Hynotic), marry his arch nemesis (Promise), sleep with a phantom who is not him (Persona) and tell his best friend to let him go (also Persona). God!!! I truly don't see what the Lana lovers see in such a vapid, evil, insane, insubstancial character!!!! Clana is dead, and I say HALLELUJAH!!! Give me some Chlark or Clois, hell, I prefer some Clex over the vomit that is Clana!!!:mad:

[Clana4Life]

I don't know how much time you think people have to spend with each other to know each other. I do not have to spend 8 hours a day, everyday with someone to know them. These two have known each other all of their lives. They have talked, pretty much on every episode. They have dated numerous times. You're telling me they never got a chance to know each other during the time span of any of their relationships together? IT doesn't take forever to get to know or love someone. The time it takes ranges from a day to years. It just depends on the person. They've made too many loving sacrifices for each other for us to say "nah, they don't really love each other, cause they don't know each other." I remember the episode where Clark comes back from the dead in Season 5 and Lana sees him after he destroys the rocket. She runs and jumps up into his arms and they are hugging and it's intense and very obvious that they are in love. I don't think Al & Miles' agenda is to show that Clark and Lana don't love each other. If it is, they wasted 7 years showing us how they do love each other. I think they are saying that sometimes "love" isn't always enough, particularly when their paths in life are going in different directions. Sometimes people in loving relationships realize that though they love each other, it's not meant to be. I think that's ultimately where Clana is headed. But since the characters themselves profess to love each other, I'm gonna believe them. Their actions have spoken to the truth of that, I think.

[WickedJenn]

I don't know how much time you think people have to spend with each other to know each other. I do not have to spend 8 hours a day, everyday with someone to know them. These two have known each other all of their lives. They have talked, pretty much on every episode. They have dated numerous times. You're telling me they never got a chance to know each other during the time span of any of their relationships together? IT doesn't take forever to get to know or love someone. The time it takes ranges from a day to years. It just depends on the person. They've made too many loving sacrifices for each other for us to say "nah, they don't really love each other, cause they don't know each other." I remember the episode where Clark comes back from the dead in Season 5 and Lana sees him after he destroys the rocket. She runs and jumps up into his arms and they are hugging and it's intense and very obvious that they are in love. I don't think Al & Miles' agenda is to show that Clark and Lana don't love each other. If it is, they wasted 7 years showing us how they do love each other. I think they are saying that sometimes "love" isn't always enough, particularly when their paths in life are going in different directions. Sometimes people in loving relationships realize that though they love each other, it's not meant to be. I think that's ultimately where Clana is headed. But since the characters themselves profess to love each other, I'm gonna believe them. Their actions have spoken to the truth of that, I think.

Yes, they have "known" each other for a while, but I feel it was from a distance. There were some people I'd gone to school with most of my life, and yet I couldn't say I knew them "well". What constitutes knowing someone well? In this case, it's enough to know when the other person is not themself(/ves).

I just find it interesting that although Lana and Clark are in a relationship for the...third time I think, I don't see them knowing each other very well, it doesn't come across that way. They have the "love" (or had, whatever the case may be) without the friendship part. I never considered Lana one of Clark's "best friends" in the sense that he ran to her every time he had a problem, confided in her, etc. He was always too scared to do that or for whatever reason didn't feel he could come to her 95% of the time. This season, he has perhaps a handful of times, but other than that, not really at all.

I feel the proof is with "Persona". If Lana REALLY knew Clark like she thought, I still feel she would've picked up on SOME of his odd/different behavior.

Just sayin'.

[Dustmite]

These two have known each other all of their lives.

They hardly spoke until they were in their teens and it was never indicated that they were friends before the first season of the show when they were around 14/15.


You're telling me they never got a chance to know each other during the time span of any of their relationships together?

I read a post on this forum that was applauded by many Clana fans and the gist of it was that now Clark and Lana have had their 'ideals' stripped away, they can finally get to the each other properly. It can't go both ways. They either know each other or they don't.

[miks]

I don't know how much time you think people have to spend with each other to know each other. I do not have to spend 8 hours a day, everyday with someone to know them. These two have known each other all of their lives. They have talked, pretty much on every episode. They have dated numerous times. You're telling me they never got a chance to know each other during the time span of any of their relationships together? IT doesn't take forever to get to know or love someone. The time it takes ranges from a day to years. It just depends on the person. They've made too many loving sacrifices for each other for us to say "nah, they don't really love each other, cause they don't know each other." I remember the episode where Clark comes back from the dead in Season 5 and Lana sees him after he destroys the rocket. She runs and jumps up into his arms and they are hugging and it's intense and very obvious that they are in love. I don't think Al & Miles' agenda is to show that Clark and Lana don't love each other. If it is, they wasted 7 years showing us how they do love each other. I think they are saying that sometimes "love" isn't always enough, particularly when their paths in life are going in different directions. Sometimes people in loving relationships realize that though they love each other, it's not meant to be. I think that's ultimately where Clana is headed. But since the characters themselves profess to love each other, I'm gonna believe them. Their actions have spoken to the truth of that, I think.

You are absolutely right. You don't have to spend 8 hours a day every single day with someone to get to know them, but guess what? You kinda have to talk to said person to get to know them, it's not like it's "oh wow I see you from my telescope, you look hawt and innocent so I love you now" and OMG that's EXACTLY what Clark did. And Lana wasn't much better, she was with Whitney then all of a sudden she's in love with Clark. And of course they didn't know each other from their time together, when they were together they were both keeping secrets. Anything Clark said he was very cautious because he didn't want to reveal his secret. What loving sacrifices have they made? Clark going back and asking Jorel to not have lana die, just so Johnathan Kent can die? Yeah I think if he had the choice he wouldn't do the same thing. Just because they hug and embrace and crap like that doesn't mean they are in love! It just means they care about each other. Which is fine, but they do not know what love is because they hardly know a thing about each other. I think even before Persona that was pretty obvious, time and time again Clark felt like he had no idea who Lana Lang was. Marrying Lex Luthor proves that as well, well nvm, we'll say having sex with Lex Luthor, which no one forced her to do. He didn't think in a million years that Lana would go to his arch enemy for love, but guess what she did, why? Because he doesn't know who she really is! It's perfectly fine that she did that, she was a woman in need. But Clark didn't think so because he still saw her as his perfect little princess, guess what? No one is perfect.

And Al and miles don't have an agenda. They want Lana Lang all the time no matter what. I think ever since Lana got with Lex they've been trying to show us that they don't love each other. And just like Biz said, just because he says it doesn't mean its true. He said that Clark doesn't love her like he thinks he does, or something like that. It's the truth. And it's about damn time they realize it.

[All about Clark]

Bizarro was a more evil version of Clark which fit into Lana's feeling like she is more evil from Lex's influence. There is NO WAY that Lana didn't notice this. She had struggled with trying to be good like Clark and then here's this Clark who is not perfectly good and doesn't care about helping others. She desperately wanted him to be Clark, because if she wasn't desperate for this, she would have seen right through him. She refused to let herself see it. Ever since Lana knew Clark, he was mysteriously doing this and running off to do that, and now knows why and now he's a home body. Yes she knew it wasn't Clark and did everything to trick herself. She said it herself, that he's focused on her now. YES SHE RECOGNIZED A CHANGE.

[simplemath]

It sucks that clana is ending but maybe there is a chance that they wuldnt end it yet i mean how many times have the writers told us that they "finally" ended clana right???
or maybe it really is over.. lets just that their love was true but has now become a lie...

[kasealaine]

In all fairness, we are all looking for someone who will agree with us and validate our feelings and urges. Lana is the same way. She wants to hate Lex, she wants to travel, she wants someone to adore only her and she wants someone to tell her that all of this is fine and normal and it's what they want too.
So Bizarro comes into her life and she forces herself to believe that it is Clark. Was it right for her to do it? NO. I have a feeling she probably did know at first and then convinced herself that she was crazy- who else would it be but Clark?

On the subject of that last scene... can we say awkward? I mean, sleeping together in the same bed that your gf sexed a phantom in... that has to be hard.

[CLanaF23]

alright the ending was kinda awkward..but i think it will be.. between them for a while..but this is just another test.. i think they can get through it.. i mean clark cant be mad at lana..she didnt noe...and in the end she chose the real clark over everything.. that shows she truly does love clark with his flaws and all and clark needs to lighten up and just let it go...

i still LOVE Clana! <3

[Clana4Life]

Phantom? Bizarro? Awkwardness? What are you talking about? Once Clark and Lana wake up, it will be as though it never happened. Case in point, Lana says, "I just need to know that you love me no matter what" in Wrath. Clark didn't day anything, at least they didn't show that he said anything. I find it hard to believe that he stared at her blankly and that she remained mute and that they then said, "Well, let's just go to bed. That was a good talk we had." On the very next episode they are fine and Clark's introducing her to his mother and then later he tells Lana that "she not that far gone" and hugs her. Problem over. Previous episode forgotten. Next episode "Persona" runs into the house and hugs Lana after his escape from the FOS. He's just so happy to see her. It'll be the same with Siren. Clana's not over. For better or for worse, they last when the pyramids are dust.

[BadToad]

On the very next episode they are fine and Clark's introducing her to his mother and then later he tells Lana that "she not that far gone" and hugs her. Problem over.

Well, not exactly. When Kara comes home, she asks where Lana is, and Clark says she is staying with Aunt Nell (since "Aunt Nell" was the frequent excuse she used to cover up the crap she was doing, who can say where she really was), and seems as though he's not interesting in elaborating. And it was Kara that called Lana to come to the Oliver's apartment, not Clark. Then you have the barn scene at the end, where Lana still seems unsure as to how accepting Clark is going to be with her.

So, I disagree that there was no tension post-Wrath. There certainly wasn't as much as there should've been, but it just wouldn't be SV if Lana's sins weren't overwhelmingly glossed over.

But honestly, I think you've just described why so many people see the Clana relationship as so useless and shallow, and frankly, boring. They don't come across as even remotely real as a couple. They don't seem to have many discussions of substance. They are little more then a shiney facade with absolutely no depth. And when one gets the impression that Lana could stick puppies on spikes, and the show would write Clark as saying "aw shucks Lana, I'm sure it was my fault you did that. Its OK", THAT it was is meant by saying that Lana has a detrimental effect on Clark Kent.

[simplemath]

maybe they will get through it.. hopefully they will... you guys are rightthe ending was awkward i reallydo hope that they wouldnt have that awkward tension next week

[Clana4Life]

Well, not exactly. When Kara comes home, she asks where Lana is, and Clark says she is staying with Aunt Nell (since "Aunt Nell" was the frequent excuse she used to cover up the crap she was doing, who can say where she really was), and seems as though he's not interesting in elaborating. And it was Kara that called Lana to come to the Oliver's apartment, not Clark. Then you have the barn scene at the end, where Lana still seems unsure as to how accepting Clark is going to be with her.

So, I disagree that there was no tension post-Wrath. There certainly wasn't as much as there should've been, but it just wouldn't be SV if Lana's sins weren't overwhelmingly glossed over.

But honestly, I think you've just described why so many people see the Clana relationship as so useless and shallow, and frankly, boring. They don't come across as even remotely real as a couple. They don't seem to have many discussions of substance. They are little more then a shiney facade with absolutely no depth. And when one gets the impression that Lana could stick puppies on spikes, and the show would write Clark as saying "aw shucks Lana, I'm sure it was my fault you did that. Its OK", THAT it was is meant by saying that Lana has a detrimental effect on Clark Kent.

I don't think that this shows any tension. We could assume that she's staying at Nell's due to some tension, but it would just be an assumption. The writer's don't give us anymore to make a valid stand. Both sides could be argued. I guess I'm arguing the other side that she was really just visiting Aunt Nell. What else would Clark have elaborated on? I think it was enough to just know where Lana was that day. I guess it could be argued either way. Clana never lets past disagreements affect their present state of mind. Some say that's unhealthy or you could argue that they just let it go and move on.

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I also wanted to ask why Clark isn't blamed for his own actions and responses? Why is Lana to blame. If Lana did bring Clark puppies on spikes as you said, and he responded by saying "ah, shucks." Would that be Lana's fault or his? I think he is an adult. I don't think she is the cause of his behavior, or that responsibility lies with her.

[Tottally ~ Free]

telling me that Clark and Lana love each other. How is that even possible?!

Even though Im one of those people who say's nothinks impossible, never say never blah blah blah ..

but clana+so in love= Not a chance ...clana's like walking in wonderland with alice ..everything you see doesn't make sense. :\

[BadToad]

Some say that's unhealthy or you could argue that they just let it go and move on.

Well, since Persona seems to hint that Lana was still not happy in her relationship with Clark, and only when Bizarro came along did she feel he "finally" let her in, and only with Bizarro did she become convinced that they belonged together, then it would seem that she isn't letting go of anything. They may be moving on, but it appears they are doing that without addressing the issues in their relationship.

And I'm not sure how anyone could think thats healthy or positive or proof of true love. Sounds like major dysfunction to me.



I also wanted to ask why Clark isn't blamed for his own actions and responses? Why is Lana to blame. If Lana did bring Clark puppies on spikes as you said, and he responded by saying "ah, shucks." Would that be Lana's fault or his? I think he is an adult. I don't think she is the cause of his behavior, or that responsibility lies with her.

I think if you look around, plenty of people do take Clark to task for this. But the fact remains that this is the extremly unfortunate way they write people in relation to Lana on this show. So, the Lana character becomes the catalyst for so much disappointing behavior from other characters. She becomes a detrimental presence. If Lana was written differently, and peoples reactions to her written differently, I don't think you would see so much vehement opposition to her continued presence on the show.

[All about Clark]

I can't believe how many of you can gloss over the fact that all these things Lana does wrong that upsets Clark are not chipping away his love for her. I don't believe he loves her anymore, and I feel he has been losing that love since she faked her death. I mean, first she married Lex, then faked death, then lied to Clark about her whereabouts and the money, then berated him for not using his powers in Wrath, abused those powers and was going to kill, then slept with Bizarro (knowing something was different about Clark and how she liked it, admitting to Clark that she loved Bizarro more. I mean how much more can this guy take from her. I personally think after this, he doesn't love her anymore. Because it's not just one mistake, it's a continual process with her, one screw-up after another and another. It won't end and he has to see that.

[jazel]

I don't believe he loves her anymore, and I feel he has been losing that love since she faked her death. I mean, first she married Lex, then faked death, then lied to Clark about her whereabouts and the money, then berated him for not using his powers in Wrath, abused those powers and was going to kill, then slept with Bizarro (knowing something was different about Clark and how she liked it, admitting to Clark that she loved Bizarro more. I mean how much more can this guy take from her. I personally think after this, he doesn't love her anymore. Because it's not just one mistake, it's a continual process with her, one screw-up after another and another. It won't end and he has to see that.

I actually think the Clana love, started unraveling in Reckoning.
RIP, Jonathan (although he's probably turning over in his grave). Wish mama Kent, would come back for a visit.:(

[miks]

^^ She'd probably slap some sense into Clark

[jazel]

^^ She'd probably slap some sense into Clark

or maybe throw some green-k, his way,lol
sadly, not gonna happen.

[Luthorism]

I'll give Clana fans that! Lana is destined to be together with Bizarro! LMAO. But Clark is destined to be with Lois. Even Smallville writers see this fact. I mean the two of 'em just do get along.. Why don't Clana fans see this? I genuinely don't understand..

Luthorism..
Cheers..

[smallvillian141]

Clana is not over, from what KK has said:)


chyeahh! clana forever haha
okay i was so clueless cuz i missed this eppy and so i just watched this scene and then i was like "WHOA nooo way... ahh im so confused!" and then i watched the full episode and was like ohh i get it haha:lol:

[Tottally ~ Free]

Clark is destined to be with Lois. Even Smallville writers see this fact. I mean the two of 'em just do get along.. Why don't Clana fans see this? I genuinely don't understand..

I was a clana fan ..When I stopped being one it wasn't because of clois (destiny and stuff) it was because I didn't want to ship a couple that clearly don't make each other happy (for longer than five minutes anyway) and can't be honest with each other, which clana can't ... its why I dont understand how tptb can justify clana anymore ..

I mean really almiles: whats the point? :confused:

[berniepooh]

I mean really almiles: whats the point? :confused:

Uhmmmm......ratings????

[Tottally ~ Free]

Uhmmmm......ratings????


and clana brings in ratings does it?.

[pyroseyes]

and clana brings in ratings does it?. :eek:

Oh please.... :rolleyes:

[Tottally ~ Free]

:eek:

Oh please.... :rolleyes:

what?

[SweetOne]

I have a suggestion....why don't posters stop telling people what they can, and cannot like, and what they can, or cannot comment on. Obviously, if you feel someone is unfairly bashing poor perfect Lana, who don't need to comment on the topic, right?

I'm a Clark fan, and there are constantly threads bashing Clark on this board. All the time! Such is life. I can argue against it, but I can't tell people they have no right to their opinions.

And last I noticed, there are a lot of threads about this episode on this board. And not every single one of them is about Lana. There are threads about Jor-El, threads about Lex, threads about Chlark.

Here are the facts, Lana was in this episode a lot. Lana's actions in this episode are definitely up for debate. Lana shared many of her scenes with the most prominent character, Clark, and the most prominent guest character, Bizarro. So, naturally, Lana's actions in this episode are going to come up for scrutiny. And whether one likes it or not, not every viewer is going to come away with the belief that the sun shines out of her backside.

If you are uncomfortable dealing with opinions other then your own group mind, a board that encourages and allows opinions of all variety to be posted is probably not going to be a comfortable place for you. IMO

Thank you. You said it perfectly.

I happen to be one of those Clark/SV bashers on these boards and while I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinion, I can't stand it when people post in the same threads and insult me and ask me to stop commenting on it. I have my own opinion and I have a right to voice it here.

recently I had a poster say this to me


and by the things that you've said i can tell that you are one of those people who can never be satisfied. so there hasnt been anything wrong, YOU just dont like it, which is your own personal opinion and myself and others shouldnt have to listen to your non-stop complaining. Im sick of defending a show that shouldnt need not one ounce of defending.

I really don't understand what posters like this one are trying to prove. Isn't that what these boards are for?? To discuss the show and allow everyone a chance to voice their opinion. It's true that those who don't agree with people critiquing "Clark's character/development" or "Smallville's quality" shouldn't have to listen to it and don't have to defend it. That's fine.

But I'm pretty sure any threads that I have posted my so called "complaining" in have been appropriate ones to do so in. I don't just go into any thread and start an argument with people about how the show sucks, but yeah...there are specific threads out there to discuss what we as the viewers aren't too happy with, and we have the right to. My question is, if you don't like reading complaints about Clark Kent's character WHY would you go into those threads?? Likewise, if you are a Lana fan and you don't like listening to posters complain about her character why would you post in a thread talking about her?? Or even if you didn't know and you read a couple posts...why would you stay in the thread?

We aren't actually forcing you to read our posts. So I do agree with those of you out there that "don't appreciate the complaining".

Guess what? You're right...."you shouldn't have to listen"....so don't. There are plenty of threads here where you can talk about how entertaining this show is, threads where you can talk about how much you love Clark, Lana etc.. And those of us that do the complaining are not asking you to defend the show/Clark/Lana. We simply want a place where we can meet and under common ground dicuss why we were "unhappy with Lana this episode" or "why we hate that Clark is so passive" or even "why we feel the show has gone down-hill".

There will always be those of you who don't agree with it, that's understandable, but unfortunately you can't change people so the best way to go is to just avoid the threads that upset you...

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I am a huge Chlark fan. That said, I would prefer to see Clark with Lois than Lana.

Or Lex.
Or Ollie.
Or BC.
Or... well, anyone other than Lana, really.

LOL....I couldn't have expressed my feelings better. Seriously. Anyone on the show but Lana.

[EmeraldArcher29]

Poor Lana, she really does get so much bashing during these mid season eps (Is it my imagination or did people start hating her more after the Bizarro incident?)
I remember watching Persona and really being into the intensity that followed Clark and Lana..it was so interesting to wonder where they would go from here. And ultimately, we know their romance has now fizzled out, (though they'll probably always have feelings for one another, they won't be a couple again next season) so now we can see her move foward as a character and see what her future holds.

As a last thing on the Lana hating, remember...Lana was the one deceived for a month with Bizarro! (Can't blame her for being a bit well....confused). So she kind of deserves some slack which she does sort of get from Clark in Siren.

[alejandrita439]

poor clark :(
lana destroyed his heart...

but there is lois :D