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shy175223
01-30-2008, 06:38 AM
say your thoughts right here after the show..and rate the episode.

globalbudd3
01-30-2008, 09:17 PM
Love it!!! I would give it a perfect 10 but they had to ruin Clana for me....

Overall, lots of stuff going on...Bizarro, Brainiac, Julian etc. Too bad Julian had to die so soon. He was just getting to know his dad....

Janna20El
01-31-2008, 03:50 AM
The episode was great, but poor Clark and Lana. They were doing fine till bizzaro messed things up. :( And poor Grant finally gets out of Lex's grasp then he gets shot.

jazel
01-31-2008, 06:23 AM
lol who shoots Grant ? and where did you guys see the epi ?

superhippie2000
01-31-2008, 11:00 AM
canada got it early.

And remember please dont give anything away in the regular forum for this episode till the episode has its first run in the US.

DreadShamus
01-31-2008, 06:02 PM
Ahhhhhhhhh!
Lana sexed up Bizzaro!

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canada got it early.

And remember please dont give anything away in the regular forum for this episode till the episode has its first run in the US.

Wait... We can talk about the episode as it runs per usual.:confused:

superhippie2000
01-31-2008, 07:01 PM
ya as it runs. ok to talk about it now. just ment before the airing.


good episode minus sex.

DreadShamus
01-31-2008, 07:02 PM
8 from me.
The predictable 'murder' by Lex was kinda weak. That lost a point for me. Also, a little bit of the plot hole in the first half made me deduct another.


I just hope Dax-Ur is still alive, just being tapped for info.

clana4everfan2
01-31-2008, 07:04 PM
Eeek Lana and Bizarro! Ugh :( I'm so happy Clark is back! But poor Clana boo hoo:( Why can't they just be happy for a change?.. Wow Lex is so evil poor Lionel.. Lex didn't want Lionel to be happy to have a descent son even though he's a clone... Julian would have been Lionel's favorite and Lex couldn't deal with being second his his father's eyes.

reobeem
01-31-2008, 07:04 PM
I really loved this episode, it was a great way to return. I felt sorry for Grant, he didn't deserve that. I also loved the return of Brainiac. I'll give it a 9/10.

jimmyolsenblues
01-31-2008, 07:05 PM
I loved it , I thought it was great writing, I felt bad for Clark and Dax-UR.

MidgardDragon
01-31-2008, 07:07 PM
9/10

Points taken off for a bit of overacting (for the first time ever) from Michael Rosenbaum. Then again, it is hard to NOT overact a "yelling at the sky" scene. Points also taken off for a missed opportunity to have a final Bizarro/Clark fight.

Points give for: Dax-Ur and Mark McClure's great acting, Brainiac and James Marsters acting, Bizarro and Tom Welling's acting, and especially Brainiac and Bizarro together (and the combined acting of these two talented individuals. Also: the son becomes the Father. Lex, you're an evil, evil bastard.

Ginx
01-31-2008, 07:07 PM
9/10.

I really enjoyed the re-intro of Brainiac and having Bizarro through most of the ep. I wish that Bizarro would have lasted longer but it's looking up for Brainiac, even if it did mean loosing another Kryptonian that would have been cool later on in the show......... Overall, good episode.

theotherJane
01-31-2008, 07:08 PM
9/10

Points taken off for a bit of overacting (for the first time ever) from Michael Rosenbaum. Then again, it is hard to NOT overact a "yelling at the sky" scene. Points also taken off for a missed opportunity to have a final Bizarro/Clark fight.



I agree. That was the lamest scene of the whole episode, and that stupid music didn't help.

MetroGirl06
01-31-2008, 07:08 PM
mama liked :D

jimmyolsenblues
01-31-2008, 07:09 PM
I loved lex's rain scene, Loved it!

monel49
01-31-2008, 07:12 PM
One of the strongest episodes of the entire series; that's why it deserves a 10. Usually, when so many plot points are being juggled, things get messy, but this ep really held together. Interesting take on Lana--she's in love with Clark to be sure, but not the part of him that really makes him Superman. Bizarro seemed to have all the characteristics that make Clark human, but none of what makes him Superman. And the bleak look on both Lana and Clark's face at the end of the episode reflects that fact. None the less, Lana gets points for putting her needs aside, for once, and doing what was right in getting rid of Bizarro. Knowing she can't have Clark, she still made the right choice. As ticked as some of us get with her, it's this selflessness, which we see seldom, that makes her a good character and worth keeping around. And Lex--just another step into an interior hell he will never climb out of. Again, just a great story. Really missed this show since December.

MidgardDragon
01-31-2008, 07:13 PM
I agree. That was the lamest scene of the whole episode, and that stupid music didn't help.

The music was great, the yelling was bad.

ETA: Or rather, hard to pull off even for as awesome an actor as Michael is. Yelling at the sky is just a bad thing to ask an actor to do.

CallMeClark
01-31-2008, 07:20 PM
I gave it a 7. It moved way too slowly for me. And it was really actually confusing for those of us that hadn't kept up on everything. My grandmother had the hardest time following it...

MidgardDragon
01-31-2008, 07:22 PM
I gave it a 7. It moved way too slowly for me. And it was really actually confusing for those of us that hadn't kept up on everything. My grandmother had the hardest time following it...

....

It's that type of show, always has been (even during the FOTW years it had a continuing story). If you watch Smallville you should know that you won't know what's going on if you don't remember what happened in the previous episodes of that season.

spideyfan
01-31-2008, 07:25 PM
9/10

Good episode with decent plot movement.

Pros:
CK/Bizarro/Fine/Dax-Ur
Blue K
Lex bad mofo

Cons:
Lana
Killing Dax-Ur
Lana

Lc7
01-31-2008, 07:30 PM
I liked it but i don't think Grant should have been killed off so quick... maybe they are just trying to show how evil lex has become. That would have been cool if Dax-Ur could have taken off his bracelet and had a fight with Brainiac. I think this was a good episode
8/10

Saber
01-31-2008, 07:33 PM
The scene editing along with the effects plus music made the episode intriguing.
I gave it an 8, even though Clark, Lana and Bizarro were all a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, the episode was very good. Lex is the only saving grace (he is one sick puppy though), what in the hell are they going to do with out him if there is a season 8.

Almiles seem to be taking a lot of liberties with Clark’s storyline. I just wish they would go back to the backbone of his journey minus his love life so that I can like this character again. He is the main character of this series and always seems to have the weakest attributes.
So now what, Clark got his arse frozen, did he learn anything beside it was cold?

MidgardDragon
01-31-2008, 07:35 PM
I just wish they would go back to the backbone of his journey minus his love life

So, prior to even Season 1, since it was a central theme of the show even in the first episode?

quietone
01-31-2008, 07:44 PM
8/10

I thought it was a good episode. My only complaint was Lana. She had no business being the person that vanquished Bizarro. Clark should be the one taking care of the phantoms.

Also, could not believe how totally unaware and self-absorbed Lana was. She's been living with Bizarro for a month and cannot figure out that something was off? Bizarro!Clark having no fear of sex should have been a dead giveaway. And Bizarro!Clark suddenly wanting to leave the farm and travel? But as long as Bizarro!Clark kept saying and doing the right thing, Lana is happy and in love and everything is alright. It's pathetic that Bizarro!Clark knew exactly how to play Lana.

Thank the stars for Chloe.The Chlark was great in this episode. It tore me up when Chloe was afraid of Clark and moving away from him. Their relationship is more meaningful and deeper than Clana has ever been. I could not believe Lana had the audacity to tell Chloe that she may not know Clark as well as she thinks. Please let this be the end of Clana; one of the most shallow and dysfunctional relationships that I have ever seen.

Liked having Brainiac back. Pretty smart of him to pit Clark and Bizarro!Clark against each other so that he would ultimately benefit.Lex killing Grant was unexpected and the final scene of him on the balcony was a nice call back to Memoria.

Kudos to Tom Welling for another incredible performance.

MidgardDragon
01-31-2008, 07:47 PM
I thought it was a good episode. My only complaint was Lana. She had no business being the person that vanquished Bizarro. Clark should be the one taking care of the phantoms.

Really, all Lana did was put the BlueK in his hand. Clark went to the trouble of getting it, doing all the running around, and taking all the punches. I wished for a Clark vs. Bizarro fight too, but it's not like Lana really did anything.

shy175223
01-31-2008, 07:50 PM
yea, well, look at this way it was Chloe saving Clark's butt this time it's was Lana. I just hope it doesn't become a habit like it was during the 5th season....

ClarkyBoy14
01-31-2008, 08:03 PM
8.5 rounded up to 9/10

I didn't like that Bizarro was basically defeated the same way Zod was and there wasn't a Bizarro/Clark fight (probably would have blown their budget :\ ) and that the psycho killer Bizarro became good because of a girl.

I loved everything else though, and it left me looking forward to next week's episode.

Bizarro345
01-31-2008, 08:10 PM
I wouldn't call Bizarro good. He just loved Lana but wanted to kill everyone else.

xHerox
01-31-2008, 08:14 PM
I am not completely sure why, but this episode just didn't totally connect for me. It might be because I think this season has been so great and so I was really looking forward to this episode, therefore expecting too much out of it. It furthered the plot quite a bit and there aren't any specific parts I can point to as not liking, but at the end of the episode I didn't have as much of a reaction as I have to past episodes this season.

Still, there are moments I like and I think this episode is critical for the storyline this season. I am glad they brought back Brainiac because, while he was interesting in season five, I knew there was so much more they could do with him.

Also, I have to point out that the directing was simply fantastic. I was a bit worried when I found out that Todd Slavkin, a writer, would be helming this episode but he did a great job and I hope he directs more episodes in the future.

Overall, this episode gets a "6" from me, though some of the individual parts would probably get a higher score.

Kay-Rill
01-31-2008, 08:18 PM
I gave it a 6. It was pretty good but I think they shouldn't of kill off bizarro so early.

Vergon6
01-31-2008, 08:20 PM
I gave it a 10 but perhaps that was pre-mature, but it still ranks high up there. It is one of the best episodes of the season I think. I am glad that they at least explained blue kryptonite satisfactorily. It would been nice if it was the exact opposite of green k, but at least it did the job. I guess they couldn't figure out a way to keep Bizarro in the picture.

One thing that was misleading from the descriptions of the episode was claiming that Bizarro had trapped Clark in the Fortress when he had not been there at all until that episode. I guess Clark really did have a time out in the Fortress after all. I hope they address it directly in a later episode.

Smallvilledabest
01-31-2008, 08:32 PM
I gave it a 9, didn't like the Clana ending.

loistickyfingerz
01-31-2008, 08:34 PM
It was just so nice to have a new TV show back, especially Smallville! I forgot how great it is to watch new material!

Darth Pipes
01-31-2008, 08:44 PM
I gave it a 9. Great episode. After a slow start, Season 7 has been just great.

I liked how all the various storylines played out here. I'll miss Competant Clark (Bizarro) and now we'll get a return of wishy-washy Clark who will have another thing to be guilty over when he finds out that Dax-Ur died. Speaking of which, I was sorry to see him get killed off. I liked the character. At least Brainiac is back. The Luthor storyline was quite good.

svtwamedfan05
01-31-2008, 08:52 PM
I give it a fair 8 just because they ruined Clana for me :D Love the ending. Best ending ever.

ClarksGal
01-31-2008, 09:16 PM
LOVED IT! Braniac being his bad @ss self. Chloe figured out Clark wasn't Clark. I thought the Clana/Bizlana stuff was complicated and interesting. And then...the icing on the cake...one of the moments I have been waiting to see since the series began...LEX GOES OVER THE DEEP END AND MURDERS HIS LITTLE BROTHER JULIAN!!!! He has suffered a mental break, I am sure of it!!! This is the turning point, I think. This was Lex's deepest desire, his deepest longing and hope, and HE KILLED IT!!!! MR's scenes in this episode rocked. Great episode. Yay!

I also liked how they summarized the season so far, so you could remember all the elements that got tied together in this one.

Batman/Superman#1
01-31-2008, 09:26 PM
The Lex/Lionel/Grant (Julian) stuff was great but the Clark/Lana/Bizzaro wasnt. Just the way lana is turning into. Clark needs to move on already.

BadToad
01-31-2008, 09:27 PM
There were things I really liked in this episode, and things I really disliked, so ultimately I had to decide on a 5.

Things worthy of a 10: Great job by TW, ditto for JM and Marc McClure, and AM was especially strong in this episode as well. The Bizarro/Brainiac scenes were really fun. I liked both the Biz/Chloe scene, and the later Chlark scene.

Things not even worthy of a 5: Lana-obsessed Bizarro. Just all things Lana. The Grulian arc, which I fond very disappointing for a Luthor storyline. And the complete lack of explanation of Jor-El's major mental damage. In fact, the lack of detail and explanation on a lot of things in this episode were very irritating.

I hope we get better from here.

lillie_poo_pod
01-31-2008, 09:42 PM
Alrighty, where to begin on this one?

Okay honestly, if this episode does not show Clark what a self-centered twit Lana is there's absolutely no hope for him. Lana was just so glad that Clark was finally opening up to her and how his priorities changed to her being the only thing that matters in the world, she could not see that something was clearly wrong. She did not want to believe that the past weeks she was in love with Bizarro. It's so rediculous. And of course, as always it's Clark's fault.

Another thing I hated in this episode was how Jor-El just let Clark loose because of danger. Couldn't he at least had him going through a bit of training while in that ice prison? It's not explained or anything. Just "A phantom's on the loose! You can go now." UGHHH.

In all the years I've watched this show, I never thought that I could simply hate a scene with JG and MR together. HATE. HATE HATE.

For Lionel to just act like he has absolutely no kind of roll in how Lex turned out is wrong on so many levels. UGHHHH. I hate good Lionel. And if this is what I have to look forward to if there are future Lex/Lionel's scenes, Lex should just shoot him dead and get it over with.

I'm just glad Grant's dead, because the whole clone!Julian plot sucked as much as, if not more than the fake!baby plot.

Bizarro's last words were "I love you" GAG.

I guess Lana used some of the 10 mil. she stole from Lex on study up on the wonderful world of computers. *roll eyes* The whole "Chloe's not the only one who knows her way around a computer now." was stupid.

I did like the Chlana scene however, only because it showed that Chloe and Lana aren't on friendly terms at the moment, since Wrath. I just want Chloe to whoop Lana's ass. That'll make me happy.

Brainiac! So glad you're back!

Loved the Chlark scene at the DP.

Dax-Ur, was a waste.

The music when Bizarro went up to the fortress, the rolling tumbleweeds, and Lex out in the rain had me rolling. It was so horrible, that all I could do was laugh.

I hope Clana ends, I really do. If not I don't want it to be all sunshine and hugs next week. I want them to still be wary of each other.

That's about it. And WTF? No trailer for next week?

I gave it a 4.

citizenlen
01-31-2008, 11:33 PM
sorry, I thought this was just bad episode. the show only has a few episodes left, they need to move the story along. The only great scenes were with the Luthors. Lionel telling Lex he lost him was moving and dark all at the same time. Could AlMiles ruin the character of Lana Lang any further? I don't get Clark Kent, he tries to break up a wedding with Lana/Lex and now he's pissy because Lana slept with Bizarro whom she thought was him. Talk about hypocrite. If anyone who should be pissed is Lana after being violated by a phantom. Sometimes I wonder when this girl is going to have a breakdown with the crap the writers are doing to her. I know the Lana haters are in full force saying she should have known it wasn't Clark. How? There was no indication even Chloe didn't know as long as Lana did until at the DP when he was looking for that thing.

The scene with Lex screaming in the rain- can we say "Shawshank Redemption"..The show had too many dirty spots. AlMiles really need to clean it up.

ginnyfan
02-01-2008, 12:31 AM
The episode was alright. I give it an 8/10. I loved the continuity. So many things were carried over from previous episodes, especially from "Fierce." Very cool.

coco#1
02-01-2008, 12:34 AM
8/10

I thought it was a good episode. My only complaint was Lana. She had no business being the person that vanquished Bizarro. Clark should be the one taking care of the phantoms.

Also, could not believe how totally unaware and self-absorbed Lana was. She's been living with Bizarro for a month and cannot figure out that something was off? Bizarro!Clark having no fear of sex should have been a dead giveaway. And Bizarro!Clark suddenly wanting to leave the farm and travel? But as long as Bizarro!Clark kept saying and doing the right thing, Lana is happy and in love and everything is alright. It's pathetic that Bizarro!Clark knew exactly how to play Lana.

you couldent be more wrong about Lana`s emotions..she has been waiting for clark to REALLY open up to her since season one, and when he finally does you dont even see it for what it was but Lana did and so did most if not all of the other fans. she has been hungry for this.this is also why it had to be her who destroyed the phantom, because she really loved him thats why.....common sense comes with age so dont worry. you`ll get some soon enough;)

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[QUOTE=citizenlen;3570053]sorry, I thought this was just bad episode. the show only has a few episodes left, they need to move the story along. The only great scenes were with the Luthors. Lionel telling Lex he lost him was moving and dark all at the same time. Could AlMiles ruin the character of Lana Lang any further? I don't get Clark Kent, he tries to break up a wedding with Lana/Lex and now he's pissy because Lana slept with Bizarro whom she thought was him. Talk about hypocrite. If anyone who should be pissed is Lana after being violated by a phantom. Sometimes I wonder when this girl is going to have a breakdown with the crap the writers are doing to her. I know the Lana haters are in full force saying she should have known it wasn't Clark. How? There was no indication even Chloe didn't know as long as Lana did until at the DP when he was looking for that thing.

The scene with Lex screaming in the rain- can we say "Shawshank Redemption"..The show had too many dirty spots. AlMiles really need to clean it up.

DONT YOU GET IT CLARKE ISENT A HIPPOCRATE. THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE FELL IN LOVE WITH ANOTHER MAN. HE ONLY LOOKED LIKE CLARK. DONT FORGET IT WAS NOT CLARK. ITS ONLY NATURAL THAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS STRAINED.THEIR RELATIONSHIP ULTIMATELY WONT SURVIVE IT EITHER. AFTER ALL OF THESE YEARS WE FINALLY SEE HOW THE WRITERS ARE GOING TO HANDLE THE EVENTUAL CLANA BREAKUP.THIS IS IT FOLKS

Blue screen of death
02-01-2008, 12:47 AM
i was kinda hoping that clark would "fly out of the fortress" after bizzarro that would have been cool. Bizarro's death scene was good i liked how he basically shattered and fell apart. I thought this episode truly showed what a selfish brat lana really is. Also that his best friend chloe was still looking out for him. The Dax-ur scenes i thought were a lil too fast but i suppose part of that could be blamed on those strikers. Overall i was pleased was a good episode.

coco#1
02-01-2008, 12:47 AM
i gave it a big 10. this episode was really great.it is one of those episodes that you will watch a few more times than you would normally watch another episode. the directing was a little different, the music choice was a pleasent change from the normal stuff they play(talking about that final song) in fact that whole final scene was cut well and a little different than the norm(ie the shots of clark and lana being uncomfortable with each other at the end)

Xanderman
02-01-2008, 12:48 AM
6/10

Plain episode, nothing special. Seemed like just a lot of the same-old to me. Things that were meant to surprise or shock, did neither.

coco#1
02-01-2008, 12:49 AM
i was kinda hoping that clark would "fly out of the fortress" after bizzarro that would have been cool. Bizarro's death scene was good i liked how he basically shattered and fell apart. I thought this episode truly showed what a selfish brat lana really is. Also that his best friend chloe was still looking out for him. The Dax-ur scenes i thought were a lil too fast but i suppose part of that could be blamed on those strikers. Overall i was pleased was a good episode.

where was Lana being a selfish brat?

citizenlen
02-01-2008, 01:10 AM
coco, no need to use all CAPS. She didn't fell in love with another man per se. She fell in love with the man she thought could be. Clark has been dragging Lana in an emotional roller coaster ride, or should I say the producers. So when it finally happened, she just let her heart open to him. And Chloe had no clue it wasn't Clark Kent until a month later too at the DP. So I would say Bizarro pretty much fooled everyone except for Brainiac. Please, I knew that the eventual break up will come along it's written in stone, however, I do not agree that their relationship should be strained. I want them to part amicably and remain friends with Lana the keeper of his secrets per canon. I'd like these two characters to find peace instead of this drama.

Yes, Clark is being a hypocrite because you can tell he felt part disgusted and questioning Lana's moral values for sleeping with a man who looked and even acted like Clark but when she was married to Lex, Clark was fine and dandy to run off with her.

Is it selfish for Lana to want happiness with Clark? No. But I do think this show has run its course. As much as I love the Lana character in comics and some of Smallville, I hate to admit, just shoot Lana and put her out of her misery. The truth is, AlMIles and the writers have totally raped this iconic figure. Her misery is being with Clark Kent. How many times do they have to kick her down the curb? They're doing it to Lois Lane's character and Clark Kent. I think if I was Lana and found out I've been having sex with a phantom, I'll be washing myself in acid. What more can this girl take? Seriously.

skylar
02-01-2008, 06:15 AM
I just loved that the show was back on. It wasn't a bad episode but there are still a lot of stuff that hasn't been answer for me. It was all over the place.

Izzysand
02-01-2008, 06:35 AM
I'm giving it a 7. I Thought that they were some opportunities lost with not having Clark/Bizzarro Fight and Dax-UR/Braniac Fight, two good opportunities lost there. Story wise good continuity, but that's about it. TW and AM were good together, Love the Chlark! MR did an awsome job, I can see how evil he is becoming, didn't care for the whole screaming in the rain thing however. Dax-UR was good character, too bad he got killed off! But overall i think that a 7 is a fair rating. I missed Smallville, it was good to see it back!

do3mire
02-01-2008, 07:27 AM
I give it a 8 or 9. It was a great episode. And I agree with the previous post. It had good continuity. A couple of scenes were not necessary: Lex screaming in the rain, Lionel/Lex convo "It's you I've lost" It's my impression that everytime the show focusses on the 4 main characters, Clark, Lex, Lana, and Chloe, that they put out a good episode. The Grant death felt a little out of place. I think it deserves either a whole epi or half of one, but I'm ok with it. Biz/Clark, Lana, and Chloe were fabulous. Simple, straightforward story-telling. I like! And, the BizClana was the best. Totally!!

Krypton935
02-01-2008, 08:29 AM
I absolutly loved it!! I was on the edge of my seat-if not standing-the whole time!! It was insane! 10!!!

quietone
02-01-2008, 08:42 AM
you couldent be more wrong about Lana`s emotions..she has been waiting for clark to REALLY open up to her since season one, and when he finally does you dont even see it for what it was but Lana did and so did most if not all of the other fans. she has been hungry for this.this is also why it had to be her who destroyed the phantom, because she really loved him thats why.....common sense comes with age so dont worry. you`ll get some soon enough

Hmmm...And here I was thinking that in my 35 years on this Earth I'd cultivated a good amount of common sense.


Okay honestly, if this episode does not show Clark what a self-centered twit Lana is there's absolutely no hope for him. Lana was just so glad that Clark was finally opening up to her and how his priorities changed to her being the only thing that matters in the world, she could not see that something was clearly wrong. She did not want to believe that the past weeks she was in love with Bizarro. It's so rediculous. And of course, as always it's Clark's fault.

Pathetic isn't it?

warriorrenegade
02-01-2008, 08:58 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, and no not because its been awhile since I've seen a new one. From the shoot it was a well paced episode. There wasn't any moment in the episode that dragged or made me cringe my teeth. Well...maybe that Lex rain scene. Also the return of James Marsters aka Brainiac. Watching him manipulate Bizarro and Clark for his own means was a real treat. Even Tom Wellings acting should be praised. The guy was just damn good this episode. So I gave it a 9/10 good story, good fun and great acting.

cyberone
02-01-2008, 08:58 AM
I thought it was the one of the VERY BEST episodes!! Great acting, great plot, great return for Braniac. Sorry to see Bizarro go, and Grant, but that's the script. I really thought is was great the way Lana acted, reacted during the end of Bizarro. I think even Clark and Bizarro were convinced in her allegiance to Bizarro, but in the end, she did the right thing in destroying the Villian. I really enjoyed the interaction between all the characters, especially how well Tom played the Bizarro character, it was a great part of the season so far. And of course the acting of Chloe was as always, great. And of course ditto for Tom Welling, Wow. Loved the return of Braniac, very Powerful acting. And of course I felt Lana was doing some of the best acting this series, she has been alot better this season. I hated to see Grant go, but how fitting, the REAL, TRUE EVIL of LEX is shown, it's getting DARKER and DEEPER into his SOUL!! Great, thanks for the thrills. I hope the Strike ends soon, can't get enough of this series, Smallville could run for Eternity.....

DreadShamus
02-01-2008, 09:51 AM
So, prior to even Season 1, since it was a central theme of the show even in the first episode?

Even Dawson's Creek allowed the characters to move on from relationships as the series moved on. I understand the whole Lana being a main character thing, however, Clark needs to move on already. He is a man now, Lana was a boy thing.

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Alrighty, where to begin on this one?

Okay honestly, if this episode does not show Clark what a self-centered twit Lana is there's absolutely no hope for him. Lana was just so glad that Clark was finally opening up to her and how his priorities changed to her being the only thing that matters in the world, she could not see that something was clearly wrong. She did not want to believe that the past weeks she was in love with Bizarro. It's so rediculous. And of course, as always it's Clark's fault.


Disagreed with everything else you said, but this point is classic and true.

Darkcook
02-01-2008, 10:03 AM
That was a great episode, a great return. I missed the show. Tom Welling portrays for me the best Bizarro version ever (So I just hate he was dead, but as Lex and Brainiac, as a future villain, he can't be dead... Or it will be another version. Damn), James Marsters did an awesome coming back by manipulating everyone, Michael Rosenbaum and John Glover too. Poor Grant... That rain scene (Even a bit ridiculous) was a great "Memoria" and "Hourglass" (With the blood rain) cameo. He crossed the way, this time. Nothing keep him now to kill Lionel or everyone... I also regret Dax-Ur's death. He could have become a great mentor figure for Clark and his destiny... But my deepest regret is Bizarro's death. It was a great scene, but Tom Welling did such a great job he was my favourite villain ever, even more than Brainiac. He was rather touching, falling in love with Lana...

I have the secret wish Brainiac will take all the little stone pieces of Bizarro's body in "Veritas" and remake him^^

SparkleforSmallville
02-01-2008, 10:47 AM
I thought it was the one of the VERY BEST episodes!! Great acting, great plot, great return for Braniac. Sorry to see Bizarro go, and Grant, but that's the script. I really thought is was great the way Lana acted, reacted during the end of Bizarro. I think even Clark and Bizarro were convinced in her allegiance to Bizarro, but in the end, she did the right thing in destroying the Villian. I really enjoyed the interaction between all the characters, especially how well Tom played the Bizarro character, it was a great part of the season so far. And of course the acting of Chloe was as always, great. And of course ditto for Tom Welling, Wow. Loved the return of Braniac, very Powerful acting. And of course I felt Lana was doing some of the best acting this series, she has been alot better this season. I hated to see Grant go, but how fitting, the REAL, TRUE EVIL of LEX is shown, it's getting DARKER and DEEPER into his SOUL!! Great, thanks for the thrills. I hope the Strike ends soon, can't get enough of this series, Smallville could run for Eternity.....
Couldn't have said it better myself! A 10 all the way! Many possibilities were opened, the implications of Blue-K in Clarks life, BrainIAC's intent now, Lex over the edge, Clana future, and is Dax-Ur really dead? That Kryptonian Shield was so cool! What's up with Jor-El? I can't wait for the rest of the Episodes:D
Tom definitely knocked it out of the ballpark with this one:)

All about Clark
02-01-2008, 10:48 AM
I've really missed the show, but felt a little let down this episode. I'll give it 7.

The whole Grant thing was a little too rushed.

Great scene between Clark/Bizarro/Lana. But what does it take for Clark to give up on Lana. I mean she was with a whole other person, every day, and didn't get that she felt different because he was different. She closed her mind off to him not being Clark because she was happy with him, he was less worried about the world. And Bizarro was right, that Clark will always be focused on the world besides her. And Bizarro could just focus on her without worrying about the world and that's why she felt more connected to him.

The problem with this episode was that confrontation between Clark/Bizarro/Lana was really the only great part. The rest was just ehh. I warmed up a little with a second viewing, but something was just off.

kal-el_Girl
02-01-2008, 11:12 AM
I liked it a lot well kind of but it was fun as a matter of fact it was hillarious to see lana realized that she slept w bizarro!!

berniepooh
02-01-2008, 12:06 PM
I really enjoyed it. I disagree with some opinions about Lex yelling at the sky. In a previous episode (season 3 I think), when Lex has the psychotic break and relives rocking Julian (a wrapped up blanket) on the ledge of his school, he drops the blanket and cries out "Julian" repeatedly. There was a visual link between the two scenes of Lex' inability to deal with his brother's death. I immediately made the connection and appreciated it being there. It is just another reason Lex is such a tortured soul and incapable of loving. He is too messed up.

Westix
02-01-2008, 12:10 PM
Same here, the best episode, the ''fight'' between bizzaro and clark could have been more interesting. But overall was just great :D

wolverine316
02-01-2008, 12:49 PM
One of my favorite scenes was Bizarro mocking Chloe behind her back.

2shae
02-01-2008, 01:21 PM
I really liked this episode. You can see that the writers and actors did there best to make this episode an interesting one.
I've been watching Smallville all over again starting from season 1 while there were no new episodes, and I can see that in a way they are bringing back the style from the first couple of season. Not completely, but I recognize some things. I think it's great that they are doing this, because lately I've felt like Smallville wasn't Smallville anymore.

Pimson
02-01-2008, 01:34 PM
This was one hell of an episode! I just sat shaking when Lana said that she agreed with Bizarro that their life together was better. There were a lot of twists and lots of drama at the end! 10/10

smallvillelogan
02-01-2008, 01:39 PM
This was a very strong episode. The death of Julian at the end took me way by surprise. I loved to see Bizarro; he is my favorite villain to ever be on the show. I am kinda disappointed that he is dead though. :( There was a nice connection to Season 3's 'Memoria' with Lex yelling to the sky, where he can't handle losing his brother. The confrontation with Clark, Bizarro, and Lana was excellent. However, I really hated the song at the end of the episode that starts when Julian gets shot.

Razzberry
02-01-2008, 03:10 PM
9/10

Points taken off for a bit of overacting (for the first time ever) from Michael Rosenbaum. Then again, it is hard to NOT overact a "yelling at the sky" scene. Points also taken off for a missed opportunity to have a final Bizarro/Clark fight.

You could tell his heart wasn't in it. One might get the impression he thought it was cheesy.

MidgardDragon
02-01-2008, 03:14 PM
You could tell his heart wasn't in it. One might get the impression he thought it was cheesy.

Yeah, I can't imagine an actor of Michael's caliber thinking a yelling at the sky scene is a good idea. Likely his first sentence after reading that part was: "You want me to what?"

Fly by guy
02-01-2008, 03:18 PM
I have been holding a grudge against the writers because of how they wasted James in most of season 5 appearances, Solitude exempt, but I give kudos for story and acting.
I give the eppy a 7.

Love how the trailer built up next weeks episode. Oops, no blatant advertising for SV. Just optimistic today I guess.

coco#1
02-01-2008, 03:23 PM
to find peace ins[QUOTE=citizenlen;3570134]coco, no need to use all CAPS. She didn't fell in love with another man per se. She fell in love with the man she thought could be. Clark has been dragging Lana in an emotional roller coaster ride, or should I say the producers. So when it finally happened, she just let her heart open to him. And Chloe had no clue it wasn't Clark Kent until a month later too at the DP. So I would say Bizarro pretty much fooled everyone except for Brainiac. Please, I knew that the eventual break up will come along it's written in stone, however, I do not agree that their relationship should be strained. I want them to part amicably and remain friends with Lana the keeper of his secrets per canon. I'd like these two characters tead of this drama.

Yes, Clark is being a hypocrite because you can tell he felt part disgusted and questioning Lana's moral values for sleeping with a man who looked and even acted like Clark but when she was married to Lex, Clark was fine and dandy to run off with her.

LANAS LIFE WAS IN DANGER WITH LEX.EVERYONE KNEW IT. WHEN CLARK THOUGHT LANA LOVED LEX HE UNSELFISHLY LET HER GO.ONCE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE DANGER LEX IMPOSED ON LANA HE DID WHAT HE ALWAYS DOES AND SAVED HER.THATS CONSISTANCY NOT HYPOCRACY.CLARK IS UPSET THAT THE WOMEN HE LOVES SLEPT WITH ANOTHER MAN REGUARDLESS OF WHETHER SHE WAS FOOLED OR NOT.IF YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING SMALLVILLE WITH ANY REGULARITY YOU KNOW THAT CLARK IS HURT BUT NOT DISCUSTED WITH LANA.DISCUST ON CLARK KENTS PART TOWARDS LANA WOULD NEVER BE PORTRAID.HURT AND HEARTBREAK,YES BUT NOT THAT.CLARK KENT IS A NOBLE MAN AND THE WRITERS HAVE CONSISTANTLY PORTRAID THIS WHEN CLARK IS IN HIS PROPER STATE OFMIND. YOU HAVE NO COMMON SENSE IN REGUARD TO PROPERLY DISCUSSING THE CHARACTERS IN THIS PARTICULAR SHOW.

LoveHurts38
02-01-2008, 03:55 PM
I gave it an 8 it was an okay epi. can't wait for future episodes that are left.

blackcelebration
02-01-2008, 04:52 PM
Having had time to watch & analyse the episode there were things that were good but many more bad.

EPISODE 7.10 PERSONA

SHORT OUTLINE

Bizzaro & Lana sleep together
Bizzaro wants some of Lana
Clark returns
Brainiac uses Biz & Clark for his own means
Chloe can tell something is wrong with Clark but girlfirend Lana can't
Clark & Lana MURDER Bizzaro
Lionel finds out his son Julian has been cloned
Lex sends someone to kill Julian

TOTAL MARK 3/10

OK will look in more depth!!!

GOOD

Brainiac returns.
A welcome return for one of Smallville's best villains. Actually saved this episode from being a complete turd.

BIZZARO
I actually felt sorry for him when he died although he'd just as well be another FOTW as I'll explain later on in BAD POINTS of the episode.

Lex being more Like Luthor
Lex sending someone to kill his brother was great because this was iconic Lex Luthor & also Lex finally initiating something instead of reacting or killing in self defence.

Explanation of Blue Kryptonite
Actually a cool way to explain that whilst it was a way to have Clark loose his powers it also could be used to destroy Bizzaro because it had the opposite effect by over charging him.

Chloe Sullivan
Aside from Brainiac the other cool character in this episode & surely now in the series.

OK...

NOW THE BAD

CLANA
It was a big Al Miles mistake not to have had Lana run off with Bizzaro as this would have been a cool continous plot.

CLARK KILLS AGAIN
OK I know Bizzaro is bad but the Superman I know would have tried to have at least considered another way to deal with him other than killing him!!!

LIONEL
Right now the most inconsistant character in Smallville. One minute he is evil the next good. Lex kill him now or the latest in the season finale!!!

P.S
I KNOW HE HAS FANS BUT EVER SINCE SEASON 5 HIS INCONSISTANCY IS BECOMING ANNOYING AND DON'T TELL ME IT'S LIKEABLE BECAUSE HE'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR THREE YEARS NOW AND HIS CHARACTER SERVES NO REAL PURPOSE OTHER THAN TO TELL CLARK AT THE END OF EACH SEASON ABOUT A BIG THREAT TO THE WORLD!!!!

LANA
Ok I will defend her & say it wasn't her fault that she didn't know Clark was Bizzaro but when Chloe warned her the way she acted was very immature plus she is the one who killed him later & as I said before her character would be redeemed had she ran off with Bizzaro as that would have made her character interesting but the balls less Al Miles want to remain with the status quo still AFTER SEVEN YEARS!!!

P.S LANA ISN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER IN THE WORLD IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE RISKS WITH HER CHARACTER THAT DON'T INCLUDE SOAP OPERA RUBBISH SUCH AS LOVE TRIANGLES AND MULTIPLE BOYFRIENDS OR LANA OBSESSED FOTW'S THEN DON'T USE HER AT LEAST CHLOE IS A FREAK AND INTERESTING AND ACTUALLY HAS A BRAIN CELL!!!

DOUBLE P.S
I am not a Clana, Chlois, Chlark or Clois shipper am just stating an opinion!!!

CLARK
As said before the fact he would consider killing before any option just proves that this man is no Superman. Also now he's back it kinda makes the situation less interesting as we gotta put up with his BDA drooling over Lana antics cos nothing in this show ever changes!!!

THE CLONE ISSUE
From being an interesting story arc thanks to Julian's death unless Lex creates another brother which would be stupid & pointless this has now perhaps become the most useless story arc since season 4's Witches Story YES WORSER THAN LANA'S PREGNANCY ARC!!!

JOR-EL
OK so Jor-El had no idea that Bizzaro had escaped even though J'onn is his emissary??? What the...???

J'ONN
OK so J'onn didn't know Bizzaro had escaped even though he was the guy who trapped him??? What the...???

TO CONCLUDE

Overal despite inconsitant plot holes (Jor-El & J'onn) an interesting episode was ruined the moment Clark came back had they waited an episode or two or even let Lana run off with Bizzaro this could have created an interesting arc but instead we ended up with Soap Opera rubbish where Bizzaro just as well had been another Lana obsessed FOTW.

The gutless Al Miles still have an image of Lana the Princess and Lana the victim and because of that it's slowly if not already sinking the shows ship!!!

I'd give it a 3 but because Brainiac was cool I'll pip it up to 4/10

ClareKent
02-01-2008, 05:32 PM
I gave it an 8. I like it but it wasn't really what I expected it.

Kal26
02-01-2008, 05:38 PM
I feakin' loved it! I couldn't be happier with the direction the series is taking, and am glad to see every character continuing to develop. It's like everyone has their own specific arc going on, yet Clark is still the main character.

I loved how we see that lex has truly went over the edge. He's been vicious in the past, then passed it off as if it were for the greater good. Kind of hard to find a good explanation for this one. He now really has no choice but to embrace the darkness and fully become the Lex Luthor of legend.

Lionel has come full circle only to continue to be punished for his past wrong doings. He's finally reunited with the son he lost, only to loose him yet again. Does he deserve that? Maybe, or maybe not.

Lana has now realized that her relationship with Clark can never be what she wants, because he has a higher calling. He can't be with her all the time, and be all about her. That's what she loved about Bizarro IMO. Now she sees that it will never be.

Clark has realized that Lana isn't the person he thought she was, and that he can't be, and maybe even doesn't want to be with her. She can fall for an evil copy just because he shows her some attention? Maybe all she really wants is a good looking guy who will give her what she wants to her face. Maybe she really doesn't look at people on a deeper level. If she did, she would have known the difference right off.

Chloe has proved herself more than worthy to be in Clarks inner circle, and has yet again had to do some ripping into Lana for being stupid. I loved how she didn't back down on that one.

All in all, I loved it! Oh yeah, and it's great to have Marsters back. Two proper villains is always better than one!:)

RJLCyberPunk
02-01-2008, 06:49 PM
I think it was a pretty darn good episode I gave an 8 out of 10...

vyperman7
02-01-2008, 08:36 PM
This was actually one of the few S7 episodes that I truly enjoyed. Even though it had a Clana undertone, it was still tolerable because it was used in a way the created an interesting story with the Bizarro situation. Really liked seeing Braianiac return as well. It was also good to see some interaction between Lex and Lionel. Haven't had that for awhile. I also liked the fact that it was Lex who ordered the hit on Julian. It shows that he is really starting to sink deeper. Also, it was a nice shout out to the Superman franchise to have Marc McClure star in the episode as Dax-Ur. I will say this though. Smallville just likes to spin it's own story in every sense of the word doesn't it.. :D Clark meeting Lois/Jimmy/Perry before Metropolis, Clark losing his virginity to Lana, Clark dropping out of college/no interest in journalism, members of the JLA being introduced, other Kryptonians traveling to/living on earth, etc.. The only similaries left with the original telling of the story is the powers Clark possesses and his name..LOL

But it has been awhile since I was totally into an episode of Smallville from beginning to end, and Persona had my attention for the whole time. Really enjoyed it.. 10/10

I am curious if Smallville is on next week. Various sites do report a new episode next week, but there were no scenes on after the episode. Hopefully next week's episode is as good as Persona was.

MidgardDragon
02-01-2008, 09:38 PM
I am curious if Smallville is on next week. Various sites do report a new episode next week, but there were no scenes on after the episode. Hopefully next week's episode is as good as Persona was.

There is an episode next week. Not sure why the trailer didn't air after Persona but it's currently online.

Jaderoyale
02-02-2008, 08:25 AM
I really liked it. I'd give it a 8/10.
I think it maintained the suspense throughout the episode, and the ending with Julian was really rather emotional. Its sad that he didn't get to live longer, but i guess the writers want to show Lex's ultimate "insanity" by getting him to kill his "brother", because he couldn't handle the fact that Lionel, would ultimately love Julian more.

I was so happy when Brainiac appeared on the screen, i think James Marsters has such charisma as a character, and playing the part of Brainiac seems so effortless to him. He did really well.

My only complaint is; Lana. Now, i've actually always liked Lana, because deep down i know Clark never ends up with her, so its just his younger years with his first love. I just couldn't get my head around the fact that she so quickly jumped into bed with Bizarro. If she truely loved Clark, and knew him, she would have questioned the fact that he had suddenly changed his mind about having sex with her. Although, the look of horror on her face when Clark convinced it her it wasn't him she'd been with for the past month, was great.

kryptonaidxh
02-02-2008, 08:25 AM
:)Clana seems to end soon, great! it was time for that nightmare ended, and Clark is going to rialize of how evil and dark Lana is.:p:)

Jaderoyale
02-02-2008, 08:28 AM
:)Clana seems to end soon, great! it was time for that nightmare ended, and Clark is going to rialize of how evil and dark Lana is.:p:)

Yeah it really is. The last shot where Clark and Lana were in bed, was so sad. You could see how awkward it was, and in a way, how disgusted Clark was. So, they will more than likely end soon.
Though according to KK, Clark and Lana are still together in the season finale.

Akselsoft
02-02-2008, 12:17 PM
When Bizarro!Clark exploded and Clark grabbed Lana away, he said something to her.

What was it? I turned up the volume but the explosion was too loud so I couldn't make it out and I didn't have CC on.

Did anyone get what he said to her?

SparkleforSmallville
02-02-2008, 01:30 PM
When Bizarro!Clark exploded and Clark grabbed Lana away, he said something to her.

What was it? I turned up the volume but the explosion was too loud so I couldn't make it out and I didn't have CC on.

Did anyone get what he said to her?
Clark said, "It's ok Lana, he's gone".

hassan
02-02-2008, 03:39 PM
Was unimpressed with this episode. I knew straight away when julias had the argument with Lex he would get killed. Some of it was funny though. E.g "Lying to you would be like lying to a moth (I think)", that made me laugh. Then lex going into the rain and screaming was cheesy, I hate those scenes. Like come on, if your going to get somebody killed don't cry about it when it happens, Lex is a killer anyway.

Poweranimals
02-02-2008, 04:07 PM
He may be a killer, but he's not the type of person who enjoys it. It was an act of desperation.

aqgalaxy
02-02-2008, 04:11 PM
I think the highlight of it, other then Chloe, Brianiac, and stuff was that Clanarro scene. Clark only goes, "He's lying" he doesn't do anything else to prove Lana that he loves her.

jrp8907
02-02-2008, 09:59 PM
9/10

borednow
02-02-2008, 11:48 PM
It got a 5. James gave a wonderful performance, the Lex story was interesting and ... well some hope for the end of Clana and the moving on phase to start but that has happened so many times I don't believe it so it didn't get added to the rating.

TheANIMAL (marcus)
02-03-2008, 07:39 AM
I was spoiled, literally, it spoiled the episode for me. I hate myself.

m8918
02-03-2008, 12:19 PM
there was all the hype and no action, and blue kryptonite was an easy answer to what could of been a better episode, lana should have noticed by the way clark/bizarro was talking and when bizarro found her at olivers he was wearing a blue jacket when the real clark was wearing red when he spoke to her. it had it's faults but i suppose it was an ok episode.

superman2001
02-03-2008, 02:36 PM
i thought the episode, was great, it was great to see Chloe trying to tell Lana, that Clark was not himself, and i thought the scene where Clark came back was really great, my favorite scene in the episode, is when lana helped Clark stop Bizarro, and it was also great to see clark, meeting somebody from Krypton, i can't wait to see next week's episode, it is going to be awesome.

Chesay
02-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Parts of the episode I really enjoyed and parts I found difficult to swallow. I guess it is because I work with cord blood as a source of DNA that I found the idea of it being used to clone Julian as unlikely. The afterbirth is disposed of and unless there was some reason to believe you would need the cord blood for something like cloning it is ridiculous to think it would be kept. From what I've seen in earlier episodes Lionel Luther was not into cloning at that time. If he had had the baby frozen in the hope of future advancements that might restore him, I could have believed that because that technology was being toyed with at that time. It was still a good source of cells for the cloning, so I appreciated that. The Julian character was a good one though and I think he could have been a useful source of friction between Lex and Lionel. Those scenes are always good. I liked Julian and would have enjoyed seeing his character more often.

As poignant as the relationship between Lana and Bizarro was, I still couldn't get away from the fact that it seems every male entity, alien or earthling, falls hopelessly in love with Lana. It is too much and weakens every episode it occurs in for me. The fact that Lana was unaware of the subtle differences between Clark and Bizzaro just shows how needy and sadly self-absorbed she can be. Her crack computer skills just adds another perfection to her list...How Mary Jane can she get?

Loved Marc McClure's role, but hate the influx of Kryptonians. Pretty soon the Earth will be renamed Krypton. I liked it better when it was mysterious and Clark was the only survivor. He seemed more special. Now if he doesn't step up to the plate it appears any number of others can take his place.

Lex should have screamed "Julian" instead of simply screaming. It would have been excellent continuity and made more sense. Better yet, it would have been more like Lex to find a way to manipulate and control Julian to find out more about his father and his schemes. To have Lex be an out and out murderer, even by hire, neglects his keen intellect and makes him just a goon like any other thug. The Lex I grew to love is better than that.

Still it had been quite a while since we had a new episode and I enjoyed it very much in that regard.

Welling_is_pretty
02-03-2008, 05:48 PM
Well, I loved this episode! This was the magic of Smallville back again for me.
While there were some things I didn't like (yes, Rosenbaum and the screaming scene, the fact that they could have basically had anybody playing Dax-Ur--and not even one Jimmy riff for Marc?, etc.) on the whole I thought it was great.

Welling is never so good as when he's playing 'evil'.

Chloe was awesome (seriously, Allison deseves a raise, a car, a better parking spot, her own designer line, something for the awesomness she gives this show ever. single. time.)!

And the return of James Marsters!!! He got called Brainiac too.

And Lex Luthor is scary, big time evil.

Also (sorry to Julian/Grant fans) Julian finally bites the dust (that whole storyline was silly to me).

Great, great episode. I've said it before, I'll say it again-whenever this show gets to the point where I'm ready to drop it they do a great episode like this and keep me coming back for more.

gave it a 9/10!

Sweetie
02-03-2008, 07:24 PM
I gave it a perfect 10.It was just awesome!!!

SVfan4ever
02-03-2008, 08:07 PM
9.95/10 Only complaint--Jor-el. Please someone just unplug the SOB.

smallvillelogan
02-04-2008, 02:32 PM
From what I've seen in earlier episodes Lionel Luther was not into cloning at that time.

Lex should have screamed "Julian" instead of simply screaming. It would have been excellent continuity and made more sense.


Yes he was; Lionel has been into cloning since Season 2. Remember Emily Dinsmore? It's possible that he could have kept Julian's body and the cord blood that you spoke of.

I agree that him screaming "Julian" would have been a good idea with regards to continuity.

MidgardDragon
02-04-2008, 02:39 PM
Yes he was; Lionel has been into cloning since Season 2. Remember Emily Dinsmore? It's possible that he could have kept Julian's body and the cord blood that you spoke of.

I agree that him screaming "Julian" would have been a good idea with regards to continuity.

I think him screaming Julian would have made that scene work much better.

smallvillelogan
02-04-2008, 04:55 PM
I think him screaming Julian would have made that scene work much better.

Yeah, I actually liked that scene with him screaming, because it did connect to 'Memoria' from Season 3. But him screaming 'Julian' would have been even better. By far.

Mello Penelo
02-04-2008, 06:20 PM
I gave it a 6. Ultimately forgettable.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


....

It's that type of show, always has been (even during the FOTW years it had a continuing story). If you watch Smallville you should know that you won't know what's going on if you don't remember what happened in the previous episodes of that season.

Al Gough said in an interview the thing he loved about Smallville the most is that it wasn't serialized. You could miss several episodes and not be lost.

diinIN
02-05-2008, 01:16 AM
I LOVED it, as did my husband. We thought it was the best of the season and one of the best of the series. The scene between Lionel and Lex that ends with Lionel saying, "It's YOU I've lost..." was epic. Really, really good. There were other scenes that were as great or nearly so.

I was sorry that they killed off Grant/Julian, as I would have liked to see more out of that character as Julian. Dax-Ur was a great character (nice to have the old Jimmy back!); I hope Fine didn't do him in, and that he'll be back in the future.

Bizarro's love for Lana was cool. Opening with Biz and Lana all happy and cuddly and ending with Clark and Lana not even speaking was one of those wonderful Smallville contrasts that I love so much. It's amazing to me how they can get us feeling sorry for Biz and Lex, despite their true characters. The whole Lana/Biz thing was a fantastic twist, and her moment of indecision as Clark looks on is the sort of angst that keeps you on the edge of your seat.

Just an EXCELLENT episode, a lot going on that was all intertwined, and as per usual, excellent acting from all. All those people who weren't paying attention because of the writer's strike and missed this one really lost out on something great.

Xanderman
02-05-2008, 01:39 AM
To expand on my previous post...


6/10

Plain episode, nothing special. Seemed like just a lot of the same-old to me. Things that were meant to surprise or shock, did neither.Here's some of the same-old I'm talking about:

- someone "crazy/evil" falling in love with Lana, and eventually dying
- someone connected to Lionel and/or Lex getting killed/harmed, and us supposed to wonder if it was Lionel or Lex's doing (and almost always it's Lex)
- characters being killed off instead of taking the story to new places (Julian died/was killed soon after the "big reveal")
- Lana getting involved with "secret villains", and being clueless about their true nature (remember Lexana? same thing with Bizarro, same thing with Jason, same thing with everybody, lol)
- the creepy lighting thing they do whenever they're dealing with Kryptonians on Earth, I personally always found off. I mean are they supposed to be aliens, or angels?
- and how about that scene with Lana and Clark/Bizarro in bed in the morning, saying hi to each other or whatever? Didn't we see something very similar to that in a past episode? Seemed unnecessarily repetitive.

I want to see Smallville do something completely different and surprising, instead of just staying in their "safe place". For that, however, we would undoubtedly need a completely different showrunner(s) with a completely different vision. Al & Miles' good/new ideas have ran their course a long time ago.

smallvillelogan
02-05-2008, 01:13 PM
To expand on my previous post...

I want to see Smallville do something completely different and surprising, instead of just staying in their "safe place". For that, however, we would undoubtedly need a completely different showrunner(s) with a completely different vision. Al & Miles' good/new ideas have ran their course a long time ago.

Uh, I would say that they are going plenty of different directions this season. The story arc with Julian, when they revealed that in 'Blue,' was something completely different. Yes, maybe they cut the story arc a bit short, but Grant dying at the end of 'Persona' was undoubtedly a big surprise.

Bizarro was a fresh new direction.

Going with Kara Zor-El was something completely new and couldn't be seen happening until they revealed it in the summer.

The one thing that they keep going with that nearly all fans do not like is Clana. However, I am happy to say that I believe Clark is going to leave Lana for the final time fairly soon- hopefully before this strike-shortened season ends.

Xanderman
02-05-2008, 04:17 PM
^I did enjoy the Grant/Julian arc, however they ended it all in utterly predictable Smallville fashion.

As for the Bizarro storyline, it didn't come off as that fresh or new to me. Clark not being Clark isn't exactly a new or unseen concept, he's evil/twisted when he's on Red K, and also there was that shapeshifter Tina Greer who imitated him back in the day, and they eventually had a smackdown. And that psycho Tina was similarly obsessed with Lana. Both eventually died because of their Lana-infatuations.

The Kara arc is okay, I don't mind it. Don't get me wrong, I like the season for the most part, but when they fall back to the same-old and tried-and-true to tie up storylines it bugs me, just feels like a total failing in the imagination/originality department to me.

And yeah, they've completely ran Clana into the ground. They've been going back and forth for so long with that relationship that Clark's actual/future destiny has lost all meaning. Clark & Lana is ultimately (and obviously) not meant to be, Clark is clearly destined for Lois, and yet they keep coming back to Lana as if somehow, some way, the next time they might get their "happily ever after"? Part of the problem is that TPTB love her (or KK) way too much (they're all infatuated with her, just like Bizarro, lol). I remember Vyperman/Ryan once posted, that on a dvd commentary/extra, when asked who their favorite character on Smallville to write for was, ALL the writers said Lana. I mean gimme a freaking break...lol

smallvillelogan
02-06-2008, 12:16 PM
yeah, they've completely ran Clana into the ground. They've been going back and forth for so long with that relationship that Clark's actual/future destiny has lost all meaning. Clark & Lana is ultimately (and obviously) not meant to be, Clark is clearly destined for Lois, and yet they keep coming back to Lana as if somehow, some way, the next time they might get their "happily ever after"? Part of the problem is that TPTB love her (or KK) way too much (they're all infatuated with her, just like Bizarro, lol). I remember Vyperman/Ryan once posted, that on a dvd commentary/extra, when asked who their favorite character on Smallville to write for was, ALL the writers said Lana. I mean gimme a freaking break...lol[/QUOTE]

Haha, yeah, I remember seeing that DVD extra, and I thought that was pretty ridiculous for the writers to think. I mean, Lana is NOT what Superman is all about. However, at this point in the series, when Clark is almost Superman, Lana is STILL his love. She is a part of his life that really should have been left behind when they split in Season 5.

After Lana discovered Clark's secret, I would have preferred for her to be tempted to reveal to the world his secret, in her anger that he had never told her before, just like in the comics. However, she becomes more than understanding without a hint of anger. This is a regard to continuity from 'Reckoning,' I suppose, when she was understanding of his keeping the secret after initially being kinda freaked out. But I would have preferred for her NOT to be completely fine with him keeping his secret from her all those years, contrary to what is seen when she returns to town in 'Fierce.'

Kal26
02-06-2008, 01:43 PM
I would have liked that as well. I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of Lana I can't stand it. I feel like I have turrets or something. Whenever she comes on screen I just start screaming obscenities. :D

smallvillelogan
02-06-2008, 05:44 PM
I would have liked that as well. I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of Lana I can't stand it. I feel like I have turrets or something. Whenever she comes on screen I just start screaming obscenities. :D

:lol:

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I actually don't mind the CHARACTER of Lana, I just, like all fans but Clana4forever people, am tired of the Clark-Lana RELATIONSHIP. But it's gonna end soon. Maybe Fracture?

jor-eldeux
02-07-2008, 04:28 PM
:lol:

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I actually don't mind the CHARACTER of Lana, I just, like all fans but Clana4forever people, am tired of the Clark-Lana RELATIONSHIP. But it's gonna end soon. Maybe Fracture?

Gang - for all of those Lana fans - she was raped. I don't see how you stand it. She was raped and the hero can't face her now. How screwed up can this get? I have never had a show where I kept coming back hoping for redemption .... only to be drug down another dark alley. I see the interviews where this AlMiles combo talks a great talk about the Superman thing ... but this is just warped. The Shawshank reference was very good, maybe that's what they are after.

They have stated over and over again - this is so that Clark doesn't mess up his relationship with Lois. But geezzzzzlouise ... this would cause so many issues in real life - there aren't enough counseling sessions to undo it. It so overdone now .... I am so glad the writers strike occurred. Hopefully the momentum is dead and this will die a peaceful death.

Kirstycol
02-11-2008, 12:35 AM
I thought this episode was really good. The phycology of Lex is so touching. I mean you can see it the whole way through the show. Starting with the most traumatic event in Lex's life. When his mother murdered his brother. His first instinct was to selflessly protect his mother. Yet at the same time couldn't help wondering why she let him take the blame. Wondering why his mom didn't protect him from his dad. I think that's was what caused Lex to fake a pregnancy with Lana. In order to get her to stay. It's like he's repeating that event. He was never sure his mother really loved him just like he was never really sure Lana loved him. So he settled for being seconds as long as he could have her. That is totally something a child would do. That traumatized part of himself is still very much with him.
And I think his attempt at cloneing Julian was almost like trying to make that horrible event disappear like it never happened. If he could just bring julian back then he wouldn't be the murderer everyone thought he was as a child. Also I think it was a way of him trying to take control of his life, because so much of his power was taken away from him as a child by Lionel. And when he saw that Lionel was showering affection on Grant, and again loveing everyone but him, it was like rejection all over again and he killed Grant to prevent that pain. (Not that it excuses the murder of Grant or the fake pregnancy of Lana just an explanation)
The sad thing is. Lex never killed julian as a child but took the blame for it and was treated like a baby killer who killed his brother his whole life. It was never true... but now it is. Now he really did kill his brother. So sad.
I love lex's character. It's so hard to hate him. Michael rosenbaum does an amazing job of portraying Lex.

Jaded Wolf
02-12-2008, 07:09 AM
Some of the acting on here was pretty wooden like they are just not caring anymore. Other than that, a pretty good episode. What I don't like is the whole Jor-El thing left hanging as far as what he did to Clark while keeping him imprisoned.

berniepooh
02-12-2008, 08:33 AM
Jor El never takes action without good reason. Something was happening to Clark while 'frozen', we just don't know what the consequence was "yet".

SnowBird
02-20-2008, 09:47 PM
I haven't read all of the post so I don't know if this was mentioned. It was the last scene with Clark and Lana. I thought it was great with the silence speaking volumes. I really felt bad for them. Looking in at Clark through the window with the rain running down the pane looked like tears going down his face. I enjoyed this episode for the most part and gave it a 10. Sometimes we don't understand why things are the way they are in Smallville but I'm sure the writters have it all planned out and answers will come by and by. My thanks to everyone who puts together such a wonderful show.

Mr. T
04-21-2008, 07:55 AM
Yet Another Great Episode!

Flowergirl123
10-09-2008, 10:30 AM
I liked it. Bizzaro was hot hot hot and Lana was dumb dumb dumb.

WellingFan
11-17-2008, 06:56 PM
Brilliant episode! Exciting after the cliffhanger of Gemini. Loved the whole Bizarro storyline. Exciting when Bizarro entered the fortress unaware that Clark was incased above him and when Jor-el realised that he had to let Clark go to stop the phantom. Brilliant moment!

Nimkong
03-04-2010, 07:21 PM
It was amsome but not better than gemini.2on my top 3.Liked how bizzaro was in it,brainic returning was tight and it finally showed bizzaros weakness!

honsou
08-10-2010, 05:03 AM
What I didn't like here (and beyond) was the fact that Lois' recent boyfriend got killed, and she has absolutely no reaction to it. No sorrow, no tears, nothing. She just visits Oliver to get l*id by him again.

Lizbeth
08-10-2010, 07:16 AM
What I didn't like here (and beyond) was the fact that Lois' recent boyfriend got killed, and she has absolutely no reaction to it. No sorrow, no tears, nothing. She just visits Oliver to get l*id by him again.

You obviously didn't pay close attention to the story. Lois never found out that Grant was killed. How would she know? It was poor writing. They killed Grant and then just forgot about him completely and never mentioned him again. For all Lois knows, he just left town.

SGuthrie27
11-20-2010, 07:23 PM
I am of two minds about this episode, which had some high and low points for me. Clark and Bizarro facing off is something I always like seeing, and Tom Welling's acting in both his roles were very cool. I also got a big kick out of the fact that Chloe saw through the doppelganger's facade almost immediately, where as Lana remained in the dark until Clark informed her of what had really happened. Brainiac coming back and having a temporary alliance with Bizarro was awesome. Dax-Ur was pretty cool, too, as was the way that blue kryptonite was the method of Bizarro's undoing. Grant getting killed so callously by Lex... I did not like that. That was SO cold, and awful. I saw no redemption for him after that. I guess I'll give this episode... 6 out of 10 Lana-cooked Parisian dinners.

SVFAN89
01-17-2011, 05:29 PM
Overall a good episode, pretty solid. I just found it dumb that Lana was so naive. When Chloe was telling her that it was Bizarro and not Clark, she was in denial and couldn't believe it. I like that Chloe figured it out first, it proves she really does know Clark better than anyone. I was disappointed that Lex killed Grant, he didn't deserve that. Nice to see Brainiac again. I give it an 8.5/10.