Hiro could do this

[kp1984]

Ok if Hiro can go back in time then why don't he go back when Sylar was just a little kid and murder him. Just a thought I had.

[pacofajita]

Because he can't change the past.

[Superboy2]

If he did then the heroes may not have all met each other and Peter could have blown up New York. Have u read or seen Sound of Thunder?

[pacofajita]

Peter changed the future. That's the difference. Didn't you pay attention to Six Months Ago? Charlie developed an aneurysm because fate intended her to die, whether at the hands of Sylar or not. Hiro couldn't port back to Texas. He told Ando he couldn't change the past. No one seems to remember that.

[pfrocker18]

^^^^..Very true,if hiro took it upon himself to change the past then he would mess up the entire space time contineum,and cause it to emplode and destroy life as we know it.So yeh suttle changes yeh but not majour ones like that.Maybe he could go back in time and stop mohinder's dad from reecruiting Gabriel in the first place,but then again who knows what consiquences this can and would have on the fabric of time.

[The Ninth Doctor]

Hiro has changed the past, but in minor ways. See: Panda sidekick added to the Kensei legend, waitress at diner suddenly knowing who Hiro was, etc.

He also said that the sword was what was needed to jump start his powers. Turns out that was incorrect.


But Hiro still wouldn't go back and murder sylar. 1) It might change too much, 2) Hiro had enough problems with trying to kill the real deal, he couldn't kill a kid.

[pacofajita]

Yeah. He screws around with time, but he can't alter it. That's why when he tried to save Charlie, fate sent him back to Japan and wouldn't let him be in Texas.

[Superboy2]

Are u sure she didn't have the aneurism when he met her the first time?

[pacofajita]

If she already had the aneurysm when Sylar killed her, she would have known about it when she met Hiro the first time. Probably wouldn't have been working. Fate wanted Charlie to die, as sad as that is. She was awesome.

[Xanderman]

To those above who say the past can't be changed/altered:

Of course the past can be changed on Heroes. Future Hiro, the one from the bad future, went back in time and told Peter to save the cheerleader, which lead to a chain reaction of events which eventually erased the 'New York being destroyed' incident (a very real "past" that took place, from that Hiro's perspective). This was a HUGE change, far from minor. That Hiro is no more, or, exists in an alternate/parallel universe. The latter is more likely otherwise there'd be insurmountable paradox problems.

[pacofajita]

Future Hiro didn't change the past. Peter changed the future. It's all a question of perspective.

[Xanderman]

Since Future Hiro was the one who travelled back in time to start the series of events, it is more accurate to say that the past was changed -- since someone from the future went back to change the past they knew -- and they succeeded.

[pacofajita]

If you look at it that way, then there's less consistency with the time traveling in Heroes than there is remembering plots in Smallville.

[Xanderman]

Any way you look at it, Future Hiro ultimately succeeded in what his original message to Peter was intended for -- to change the terrible past/world he knew, and to save his precious Ando. lol

However, the new future that will take its place, might be just as bad, or worse (the virus outbreak thing, if that still somehow ends up happening). F-Hiro of course probably thought it couldn't get any worse, which is why he risked it in the first place.

[pacofajita]

I guess it's kind of like Final Destination. Fate tries to find a way to correct itself.

[Xanderman]

Yeah similar to Terminator as well in a way. The terrible future can be delayed or postponed, but it must eventually happen -- except in that universe, the reason it is inevitable is because of John's existence, which requires Reese to be sent back in time, which requires the war to happen, since Reese was born and raised in the Post-Judgment Day world. And also, the machines invented time travel, right? So the Terminator timeline is sort of "locked" in an inescapable loop of sorts with no chance of changing the major event -- similar to 12 Monkeys. Is Heroes trapped in a similar loop though? To me, since the New York thing didn't happen, it isn't...the virus thing is a whole different type of disaster, that will have different consequences. Heroes is following an alternate/multi-universe model it seems, so that in effect they can get away with anything they want basically (alternate/parallel universes means no true paradox problems--a cheap way of doing a time travel story, IMO).

[pacofajita]

But they don't stay consistent with plot ideas. Hiro flat-out said he couldn't change the past when he tried to save Charlie from Sylar, yet everything is different now. Either it's one way or its another. Kring can't seem to make up his mind. He's on such a higher plane than Al/Miles, but he's got to get some things worked out that doesn't have to do with plot advancement.

[Xanderman]

I agree, they're inconsistent with a heck of a lot of things. Can't make up their minds, or they just do whatever they think works best for the particular story they're telling, and to hell with what they've done or said in the past I guess.

By the way, LOL @ "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" in your avatar. That's classic. One of my all time favorite quotes was from the episode where Data joined a village and eventually they saw him as a monster and "killed" him. There was this part with the woman doctor who was responding to someone suffering from radiation poisoning -- "The fluids of his body have over-heated!" :lol: I used to joke about that line all the time, haha

[pacofajita]

I remember that episode. That old woman called Data "Iceman" or something like that.

My favorite episode was The Inner Light.

[Xanderman]

I just looked up the name, and yes that was a great ep. I haven't watched TNG in a long, long time. I was one of the unlucky suckers that shelled out the ridiculous dough to buy the seasons as they came out. TNG was one of the very first tv shows on dvd, and back then I thought that's how the prices were always going to be. It didn't take long to find out what a fool I truly was, and what a bunch of ****ing thieves the Paramount people are...heh I'm still pretty bitter as you can see

What made TNG truly great were the actors/characters, truly top notch. DS9 had it beat in overall stories and ongoing arcs. Together TNG and DS9 represented the very best of all the Treks, imo.

[The Ninth Doctor]

But they don't stay consistent with plot ideas. Hiro flat-out said he couldn't change the past when he tried to save Charlie from Sylar, yet everything is different now. Either it's one way or its another. Kring can't seem to make up his mind. He's on such a higher plane than Al/Miles, but he's got to get some things worked out that doesn't have to do with plot advancement.

Hiro also said that the sword would help him control his powers, which Kaito revealed to be completely false. The character's knowledge and view of their powers change over time as they learn more about them.

[XSE_Greystone]

Despite the whole changing the future/past blah blah blah. Mean why would Hiro go back and kill him as a child...HE'S A FREAKIN CHILD...mean future Hiro might be cold but i don't think he's THAT cold.

[kp1984]

If you knew people like Hitler, OJ simpson, Soctt Peterson and Jeffery Donalds where going to be evil when they grew up and you went back in time when they where kids. Would'nt it be alot easyer to hurt them as little kids?

[Superboy2]

Yeah but then it kills them before they lose their innocence. Better to do it a little before they commit murder.

[haydenclaireheroes]

Sylar is getting better and mabe he will be a hero one day!

[XSE_Greystone]

If you knew people like Hitler, OJ simpson, Soctt Peterson and Jeffery Donalds where going to be evil when they grew up and you went back in time when they where kids. Would'nt it be alot easyer to hurt them as little kids?

Who is anyone to chose who lives and who dies? Just cause you can doesn't mean you should. Mean the world isn't perfect and it's not Hiro's job to make it that way...mean think about what would happen if Hiro decided to stop every bad thing that ever happened in history. How would anyone learn from their mistakes if they never made any? He could end up making the world worse than it is.

[kp1984]

Sylar is getting better and mabe he will be a hero one day!

He may be now that he know the truth. I take it Angy really is his mom since he could easly took her and see himself as a baby in the past. Kind of thought he look like Nathan. He had a chance to cut open Peter head when he was knock out but he did'nt do it. Guess he may really become a hero. Wonder if that Author guy his father too.

[Superboy2]

We already know Arthur Petrelli is Sylars father. He is the third Petrelli.

[Zantias]

It seems that a person from the future cannot successfully alter events without creating a paradox of some sort. However, it appears that if a person from the future influences someone from the past to act, the outcome of the future can be altered if not prevented.

I think the reason for this can be best explained by what was said in the first Episode of the series "7 Days". Think of each time period as a "still lake" with a leaf wafting gently on the surface. Think of a person from the future being a stone thrown into the lake, causing a "ripple effect" Now, instead of the leaf staying in one spot, the waves drive it further from where it was, towards an unknown destination. The ripple does not control where the leaf will end up, but it pushes it from the epicenter of the impact. Where the leaf will rest is totally random since now there are other factors at play which will affect where the leaf will end up. Sure, rain or even a child throwing a rock in the water, or a boat or even someone swimming in the lake could have caused to leaf to move from where it was. However, those events would have been a natural part of events that would have taken place. The random "boulder" from out of nowhere is not.

Going on to "The Terminator", there is a chance that Sarah and John can prevent Judgement Day, but since there are more factors involved than they can no about it's more likely they will delay it rather than actually stop it. Just in delaying it they are altering the future, but you have to wonder if the delay makes the chances of mankind's survival greater, of if they will inadvertantly make those chances worse. There's no way of knowing because the ripples if the lake eminate from too many directions to possibly prevent them from touching other places and affecting other things. Food for thought.