Adrian = Cold Blooded Killer

[The Krypton Knight]

Sorry if someone already posted this, but did anyone else think it was odd/crazy that Adrian pushed the detonator just before he died? What was that going to accomplish but kill Chloe and Jimmy, who had nothing to do with his problems, and who he had no reason to get revenge on?? He had already done all he could do to expose Lex, and had revealed the truth to Grant Gabriel (as best he could with Lex still trying to manipulate things), so it makes no sense that just before he dies he decides to kill some innocent people. The very same type of crazy/heartless act that he so resented Lex for in the first place! Good riddance Adrian, let's hope that Grant doesn't grow up to be a cold blooded killer.:)

[freefall]

Who knows. Maybe he had hoped that at least Lois could kill Lex for him, if he killed Chloe.

His motive was revenge after all, and revenge often drive people to do crazy/heartless acts. It takes a lot for someone not to cross the line and resort to murder in the end. Adrian definitely has became what he hated Lex for in the first place.

[last man of krypton]

Simplest explanation: he's a Luthor. :)

[ClareKent]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
Simplest explanation: he's a Luthor. :)

Yeap, and the man was desperate, he wanted to get revenge from Lex no matter the cost, make him for creating "people" just to fill his hollow life.

[limi]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
Simplest explanation: he's a Luthor. :)
That would be a good guess. It's also possible he didn't intend to push the button, that he didn't realize what he was doing. After all, he was just shot...

[WickedJenn]

I'll rewatch it but I more got the impression that it was a reflexive action, not an intention to push that button.

[DestinyAw8s]

I tend to agree with reflexive action. I would think that being shot would cause him to grip whatever he is holding a little tighter.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Adrian = Cold Blooded Killer

I agree, if Adrian hates lex so much why go through all the trouble with Lois. Bad writing plot. Adrain should have put all his effort in revenge against Lex, not trapping Chloe and black mailing Lois. Silly writers bombs are Lex, not Chloe's secret santa.

[ClareKent]

Let's not forget that Adrian was who killed that UPS guy, there you can't say that it was just a reflex, that indeed was cold blood murder.
But I agree it was all too complicated when he could just go and shot Lex, putting a stop to everything.

[DestinyAw8s]

Maybe Adrian just wanted someone to know that he existed outside of Lex Luthor. Well, Lois knows now and she won't forget. And so does Grant. Why do certain killers go to such lengths with the things they do and then kill themselves? I'd guess for the attention or recognition of some kind, but I'm no profiler.

[The Krypton Knight]

Yeah, I forgot about that UPS guy getting shanked by Adrian too! I know he was driven over the edge by Lex and all, but still, killing innocent peeps who had nothing to do with it? He almost deserved everything he got, IMO.

"Simplest explanation: he's a Luthor. "

That could definitely be it. But does that mean that GG is going to succumb to the "Luthor Madness" and end up a psycho?

[litew8]

Lets not forget Lana was about ready to KILL twice. Coincidence? I'm not so sure.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by ClareKent
Let's not forget that Adrian was who killed that UPS guy, there you can't say that it was just a reflex, that indeed was cold blood murder.
But I agree it was all too complicated when he could just go and shot Lex, putting a stop to everything.

Oh yeah I totally agree...killing the UPS guy definitely cemented that.

I was only referring to him and the bomb specifically.

[The Krypton Knight]

"Lets not forget Lana was about ready to KILL twice. Coincidence? I'm not so sure"

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[All about Clark]

Originally posted by DestinyAw8s
I tend to agree with reflexive action. I would think that being shot would cause him to grip whatever he is holding a little tighter.

I agree and I didn't see it as wanting to kill Chloe, however killing the UPS type guy was definitely murder. It is clear he has Luthor in him. Next up, Grant, who will he kill? Because all of the Luthor's kill whether they plan on it or not.

[kp1984]

Lucaus the only one in that family hav'nt killed yet. Thier grandfather was also a killer. He tried to kill Jor-el but ended up killing Lana grandaunt forgot her name

[Billy Jor-El]

Slightly OT but didn't Adrian have memories of family...his Dad wanting to watch his football game? Hmmm, that would be Lionel.......Lionel in front of the TV for football???? Well, maybe the SUPER Bowl :p

[litew8]

Originally posted by The Krypton Knight
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[chantal]

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
Slightly OT but didn't Adrian have memories of family...his Dad wanting to watch his football game? Hmmm, that would be Lionel.......Lionel in front of the TV for football???? Well, maybe the SUPER Bowl :p

No, he had memories of Mr. Gabriel, his adoptive father.

Why was he Adrian and not Grant? Was the original "Julian" given a history for someone named Adrian Gabriel and when he failed, the name was changed to Grant? Or did he get told in Belle Reve that he was Adrian and all his memories were a delusion?

On the 'push the detonator' question, I believe that's why police, etc., hesitate to shoot someone who is holding a gun to someone's head, because their hand might spasm and pull the trigger.

[litew8]

^
No. Both Grant and his older twin clone Adrian had identical memories.
Only their names and ages were different.
Adrian was aging rapidly because he was a failed prototype.
Grant was a second successful clone who stopped aging when told.

They both had identical ficticious memories Lex downloaded into them.

[chantal]

Originally posted by litew8
^
No. Both Grant and his older twin clone Adrian had identical memories.
Only their names and ages were different.
Adrian was aging rapidly because he was a failed prototype.
Grant was a second successful clone who stopped aging when told.

They both had identical ficticious memories Lex downloaded into them.

They couldn't have had identical memories if Adrian thought his name was Adrian. He should have had memories of being Grant. Unless Adrian is just the name he gave Lois, not what he believed his name was. Although, he said something about when he saw Grant's picture in the paper, not about seeing what he believed was his own name being used by someone else.

[litew8]

^
Huh, maybe it was only their childhood memories that were identical.

[freefall]

Originally posted by chantal
Why was he Adrian and not Grant? Was the original "Julian" given a history for someone named Adrian Gabriel and when he failed, the name was changed to Grant? Or did he get told in Belle Reve that he was Adrian and all his memories were a delusion?

From what I can understand, Adrian is only given the memories and the background history but not the name Julian Luthor itself. That's reserved for the perfect clone IMO.

Grant is the one who's given the name Julian Luthor, and he had known and believed himself as Julian all along. Grant Gabriel is simply the name Lex told him to go by, because revealing himself as Julian Luthor to the world would of course cause everything to go to hell in a handbasket.


Originally posted by chantal
On the 'push the detonator' question, I believe that's why police, etc., hesitate to shoot someone who is holding a gun to someone's head, because their hand might spasm and pull the trigger.

That's a very good point. I guess my earlier response is simply clouded by the fact that Adrian had murdered the UPS guy in cold blood. It's definitely more of a reflexive action.


Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I agree, if Adrian hates lex so much why go through all the trouble with Lois. Bad writing plot. Adrain should have put all his effort in revenge against Lex, not trapping Chloe and black mailing Lois. Silly writers bombs are Lex, not Chloe's secret santa.

That's because there are definitely worse things you can do to someone than just killing them. Look at the troubles Lana go through to fulfill her revenge against Lex and Lionel. :lol:


Originally posted by The Krypton Knight


"Simplest explanation: he's a Luthor. "

That could definitely be it. But does that mean that GG is going to succumb to the "Luthor Madness" and end up a psycho?

I hope that Grant would stay as a good guy, and that he would go out of the series as another proof that sharing gene pools with evil psychos doesn't mean you'd turn out to be one as well.

Clark and Kara turned out fine despite their biological fathers being magnificent bastards. Lois and Lucy came from the same harsh upbringing by their father, but only Lucy chose to be a criminal.

[Pink Sweater]

It was a detonator that activates the bomb when a person LETS GO of the button. So, when he died, his muscles relaxed and he was no longer holding in the button. This is what detonated the bomb.

[freefall]

Originally posted by Pink Sweater
It was a detonator that activates the bomb when a person LETS GO of the button. So, when he died, his muscles relaxed and he was no longer holding in the button. This is what detonated the bomb.

If this is true, then the posts about speculating why would Adrian still went through with killling Chloe have been rendered useless. :p Thanks for pointing that out, I'd have to watch that scene again.

[The Krypton Knight]

I'll have to watch again too. I thought he PUSHED the detonator before he died, but maybe not. Still there's no excuse for the UPS guy! What did Brown do to you? LOL

[mistaguitarmasta]

Originally posted by kp1984
Lucaus the only one in that family hav'nt killed yet. Thier grandfather was also a killer. He tried to kill Jor-el but ended up killing Lana grandaunt forgot her name

Louise.
(S3 Relic)

[litew8]

^
We don't know that the 'drifter' (Joe) was actually Jor-El.
Maybe the 'drifter' will turn out to be someone else.

[mistaguitarmasta]

^ well, i guess that's true, it was never explicitly stated, but i think its pretty widely accepted that "Joe" is Jor-El. but if anyone has any other theories i'd be interested in hearing them.

[litew8]

^ I was thinking, maybe the 'drifter' (Joe) will turn out to be Dax-Ur.

[mistaguitarmasta]

Actually, after re-watching "Lara" last night, I noticed that Lara told Kara that Jor-El had visited Earth and chose the Kents to raise his son because of their great capacity for love. So I'm gonna hafta say that's a pretty obvious reference to "Relic".

[litew8]

'Joe' the 'Drifter' only met the Kents once, for a very short period of time. Not long enough to decide that they would be suitable parents to raise their kid. Also, 'Joe' the 'Drifter' said that he was sent to Earth as punishment - his father sent him here. It isn't clear whether or not 'Joe' the 'Drifter' actually left Smallville either.

We also saw that 'Joe' the 'Drifter' was putting drawings on the cave walls. So not all of the cave wall drawings are from the Indians.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

^ do you honestly believe Joe is Dax-ur?

[litew8]

^
Yes. I honestly believe(d) 'Joe' the 'Drifter' was Dax-Ur.
Why is that hard to believe SVS?

It was said that Dax-Ur has been on Earth for a long time. Maybe 100 years. Not sure. We don't know how long 'Joe' the 'Drifter' was here, or if he actually left Smallville.

The one thing that really got me thinking that 'Joe' the 'Drifter' could have been Dax-Ur - was when they showed that necklace in "Fierce". The necklace in the old time picture - the necklace was dangling over the Kryptonite gold. It looked similar to the necklace that 'Joe' the 'Drifter' had. But now, after futher investigation, I've managed to compare the two necklaces. They are different. So I'm not so certain any longer.

[mistaguitarmasta]

i dont know, guys. i think you might looking too much into this. i know TPTB like to shake things up like that, but i think in this particular case, what you see is what you get. "Joe" = "Jor-El". that's why he told everyone to call him "Joe". and then there's the simple fact that Joe looked exactly like Clark. seems pretty clear to me.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

^
Yes. I honestly believe(d) 'Joe' the 'Drifter' was Dax-Ur.
Why is that hard to believe SVS?.

your entitled to your beliefs and theories so i aint saying anything to the contrary

[litew8]

your entitled to your beliefs and theories so i aint saying anything to the contrary
Then why did you even bother asking. Whatever. I answered your question with the above reply.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Then why did you even bother asking.

i didnt critisize your theory so keep that in mind, people are entitled to there theories, beliefs and ask others questions litew8

[litew8]

i didnt critisize your theory so keep that in mind, people are entitled to there theories, beliefs and ask others questions litew8I didn't say or imply that you critisized my theory. But you STILL have not answered my question. Instead, you'd rather suggest (in your Reason for Edit) that I was being rude.

You first said - "Do you honestly believe that 'Joe' was Drax-Ur?"
I then asked you - "Why is that so hard to believe?"

Well?

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

actually litew8 the edit was actually about me my original comment to you sounded rude, if i was going to say you were rude id have said it in the actual comment so an apology would be appreciated

as for your question well karas memory of lara saying she wanted to see the place her son would be raised, the same place in laras words jor-el had chosen, and since it references back to relic, joe and clark are identical

joe didnt make a statement of intent of sending clark to the kents this was assumed due to the kents hospitality and trust in joe, plus the fact the hiram offered joe help if he ever needed it

[litew8]

Sorry you were offended.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

reason for edit is a personal statement not 1 aimed at another poster but whatever litew8

[malft]

There; I just created a new term for the fatal flaw in every clone. At some point in their existence they become psychotic. Just as a Doberman Pinsher will at some point turn on its master; every clone has turned to murder the thing they most want to be, the master of their destiny, Lex Luthor .

[Vergon6]

In "Blue", I recall Lara's copy saying "Jor-El?" or perhaps it was "Jor-El, is that you?". I don't remember exactly, but Clark had to correct her, establishing that Jor-El had looked like him as "Relic" had implied.