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TerraMan
12-14-2007, 11:52 AM
...to save Chloe and Jimmy???

WickedJenn
12-14-2007, 12:00 PM
Well we've tossed out a few reasons for this...

1) He's trying to be like Clark so as not to arouse suspicion that he's not.

2) #1 and that Chloe's computer skills came in handy to him with the Brainiac situation, and he probably knew beforehand that he'd need her knowledge.

AlwaysAround
12-14-2007, 12:02 PM
Crappy Writing. That's why. It's like at the last minute Al and MIles decided it would be cool to put in the Bizzaro effect at the very end. I think at one time this episode may not have been planned on being the one where Bizarro resurfaces. It just make absolutely no sense unless Bizarro is actually trying to become Clark, and do good, like Clark. This would be in complete contradiction to the established character though. I can only guess that the last minute surprise was spur the moment.

WickedJenn
12-14-2007, 12:04 PM
Some were thinking that Zor-El's eclipse actually released Bizarro then, since there was no sun to stop him at that time.

I had a feeling though, even in the premiere that we'd see more of Bizarro, it seemed too easy that he was "gone" in one episode.

Joelito
12-14-2007, 12:06 PM
He (Bizarro) needs Chloe to seek Brainiac.

Harrison_Bergeron
12-14-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by AlwaysAround
Crappy Writing. That's why. It's like at the last minute Al and MIles decided it would be cool to put in the Bizzaro effect at the very end. I think at one time this episode may not have been planned on being the one where Bizarro resurfaces. It just make absolutely no sense unless Bizarro is actually trying to become Clark, and do good, like Clark. This would be in complete contradiction to the established character though. I can only guess that the last minute surprise was spur the moment.

I disagree, Clark's character was written very differently in this episode, he was stronger and more confident, I suspected we would just find out that Jor-El "talked" some sence into him, but once the episode started winding down without an explanation it started looking more and more likely that it would not be the real Clark. As for serving no purpose, it was written to be a shocker, we will undoubtedly find out in coming episodes what he has to gain from acting like Clark. I think that many are specualting that he needs Brainiac for something, but i'm not sure that makes sense because he had no way of knowing that Brainiac was back in the picture when he first came back and started playing nice.

chlo-el
12-14-2007, 12:22 PM
I don't think it was crappy writing at all. I think this was forshadowed in Bizarro when Bizarro said he wanted Clark's life. That means he wanted to everyone in it that includes Chloe.
He said that Calrk didn't deserve his life and didn't take advatage of it. So that's what we saw Bizarro do here, taking adavatage of Clark's life.

xrayvision
12-14-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Joelito
He (Bizarro) needs Chloe to seek Brainiac.

This bothers me. It bothers me when Clark the BDA needs humans to help him with Kryptonian matters. But now Bizarro too? I hope it was a case of him just doing it to cover his tracks. Did he really consult Chloe or did he input those things in the computer himself? I don't remember. I think he did thank her at the end when she showed up at the farm, right?

Either way, they shouldn't have any Kryptonian needing help from any human with translating or doing anything with Kryptonian symbols. It just makes them look incredibly dumb.

Harrison_Bergeron
12-14-2007, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by xrayvision
Either way, they shouldn't have any Kryptonian needing help from any human with translating or doing anything with Kryptonian symbols. It just makes them look incredibly dumb.

It was explained in another thread, he didn't need Chloe to translate Kryptonian, he needed her to translate binary, my guess is that he was writing kryptonian ones and zeros and she then used a computer program to decipher what they meant.

friday
12-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by chlo-el
I don't think it was crappy writing at all. I think this was forshadowed in Bizarro when Bizarro said he wanted Clark's life. That means he wanted to everyone in it that includes Chloe.
He said that Calrk didn't deserve his life and didn't take advatage of it. So that's what we saw Bizarro do here, taking adavatage of Clark's life.

ITA.

xrayvision
12-14-2007, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
It was explained in another thread, he didn't need Chloe to translate Kryptonian, he needed her to translate binary, my guess is that he was writing kryptonian ones and zeros and she then used a computer program to decipher what they meant.

But shouldn't he know how to do that? I mean if Kara is able to do that all on her own and Bizarro knows whatever the phantom that took a part of Clark's DNA in Phantom learned on Krypton (after he was created), then Bizarro should know how to do that himself.

If Bizarro's return was due to the eclipse (one of the theories floating around), then maybe BizarroVan is right & his phantom was created by Zor-El since Zor-El caused the eclipse. If that is true (a lot of if's) then wouldn't Zor-El teach Bizarro something?

Perhaps the reason he doesn't know how to translate binary is because he was discarded & neglected as MM said.

supergirl28
12-14-2007, 01:06 PM
why would Bizzaro care, he's a clod blooded person. he saved Jimmy, and Chloe. tells Lana that when he saw he in the barn it was like he fell in love with her all over again. How is that possible. Mr. Mars guys said he has no comassion, why would he do all this?

moviefan2k4
12-14-2007, 01:13 PM
It's an elaborately-planned and executed ruse. Remember, Bizarro said in the season opener that he wanted to take control of Clark's life. To do that, he needs to act like Clark, even if it takes feigning compassion or sympathy. Bizarro is much smarter than any Kryptonian (probably learned a lot during his Phantom Zone isolation), but whether his inteligence surpasses Brainiac's has yet to be revealed.

nickyjean_1
12-14-2007, 01:22 PM
^^I'm assuming you mean compassion.. you don't need compassion, you just need a reason.. when Biz Clark saw Lois he wanted to tap that .. we all know it and he said it.. so here's this person with all the memories of clark.. he's clark without morals but not red clark because he has his own desires.. he wants lana bc it feels good even if for no other reason..

Just because you know a language doesn't mean he didn't need help. we all know what 1 and 0 are, but as mentioned before not everyone would understand 1010100010101110 which is what chloe was helping him discover. Clarks used a ton of help because he DOESN'T or didn't at the time want Jor'el's .. Chloe has been deciphering the symbols for more then a season w/ some help from Lionel.. Chloe with Olivers help was able to find some of the impact points of the Zoners.. Clark could have taken Chloe out of the equations at any time but didn't... he chose not to.. it doesn't make him stupid it makes him shy ..

DestinyAw8s
12-14-2007, 01:33 PM
I'm not surprised that he feels something that aligns with Clark's take on things. For me, Bizzaro is an actual person in his own right. He absorbed all of Clark's memories and feelings, but he also has his own personality in there somewhere and all the things that made him who he was before becoming a phantom. From my understanding, it was only their form that was taken away. Not the things that made them sentient. And it's more than obvious that he didn't give a rat's patootie about Kara. If he even knows who she really is. But I think Kara would have some serious issues with Bizzaro, hence she out of it for the time being. I don't know, that's just my thinking on it. We'll simply have to wait and see how the story unfolds. But in the meantime, I kinda like Bizzaro right now.:eek: :) (if I could only get past the toasted dude in the season opener)

All about Clark
12-14-2007, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by chlo-el
I think this was forshadowed in Bizarro when Bizarro said he wanted Clark's life. That means he wanted to everyone in it that includes Chloe.
He said that Calrk didn't deserve his life and didn't take advatage of it. So that's what we saw Bizarro do here, taking adavatage of Clark's life.

I agree completely. Here's people who love Clark; a being who seen no compassion would eat that up with a spoon. He will continue pretending to be Clark until something else becomes more important.

Kryptonian-Ronin
12-14-2007, 02:01 PM
If Bizarro is the opposite ofClark than he wouldn't care about people liking him or accepting him or trying to fit in.

moviefan2k4
12-14-2007, 02:29 PM
I think the writers toned down the "opposite" nature of the character, so the only remaining bit was the switched wardrobe, the voice, and the sun hurting him. Otherwise, he's basically c total copy of Clark, minus the self-imposed restraints and moral responsibilities.

svtwamedfan05
12-14-2007, 02:32 PM
He was playing Clark's caring and lovey dovey roles in order not to raise questions. It was pretty convicing if you ask me.

FoxHoundito
12-14-2007, 03:30 PM
I agree with the "he wants to take Clark's life over" premise, but the truth is I don't really know why. I mean, all "bad" kryptonians up to now have wanted to dominate earth and all that stuff... so maybe Bizarrio's own personality would ultimately want something like that.

The reason he saved Chloe and Jimmy is because he had no choice at all. Once Lana had shown him Lois' message (and she knows about his powers), he was obliged to do something.... if not, Lana would have suspected something REALLY wrong was going on (by Clark not reacting to such a threat).


PS. Anyone tired with the "clone" theme?? I mean, come on, so far this season we've had so many clones that I might vomit anytime!

xrayvision
12-14-2007, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by nickyjean_1
Just because you know a language doesn't mean he didn't need help. we all know what 1 and 0 are, but as mentioned before not everyone would understand 1010100010101110 which is what chloe was helping him discover. Clarks used a ton of help because he DOESN'T or didn't at the time want Jor'el's .. Chloe has been deciphering the symbols for more then a season w/ some help from Lionel.. Chloe with Olivers help was able to find some of the impact points of the Zoners.. Clark could have taken Chloe out of the equations at any time but didn't... he chose not to.. it doesn't make him stupid it makes him shy ..

This is why Clark is a BDA. Because they show Kara getting no help from anyone deciphering code while Clark & even Bizarro now are shown as idiots. I just don't agree that he's shy. He doesn't have any of the knowledge he will be needing to later save the world as Superman. And what's worse is that he has no interest in learning it.

I never bought into this Chloe as a computer whiz thing. It popped out of nowhere mainly in season 5. In seasons 1-4, she had contacts doing the computer stuff. She never learned how to hack. I just accepted that she could do it as a plothole to avoid getting pissed off after seeing every episode. But even if she did use contacts (as she did in earlier seasons) to decode those symbols, it still makes Clark look foolish. It's hurting Clark, the main character I care about and the main character who's had all kinds of crap dumped on him and is over & over again being made to look like a moron.

I'm saying TPTB and/or writers shouldn't be putting Clark, Bizarro, Kara, or any other Kryptonian in a situation where they have to resort to humans to decode Kryptonian message or binary code. I would rather have seen Bizarro contact Zor-El's AI (if it exists somewhere) or perhaps Dax-Ur to decode things like this.

If they want to continue having Chloe do hacking of human made programs, then fine, they can do so even if it's not credible. But they should absolutely not have any human (freak or not) be able to decode Kryptonian code. Heck, Kryptonian computer systems are so advanced that they probably don't even use a binary system but something much more advanced. I think showing Brainiac's code as something a human can even understand is a dis-service to the complexity that is Brainiac.

Timester
12-14-2007, 04:19 PM
...

People, Bizarro is not the opposite of Clark, never was. The powers and the speach are the only opposite things about Bizarro.

Many times he tried to be Superman, many times he tried to save people, many times he tried to show Lois Lane that he loved her.

The best example of this is Bizarro World (Htrae), which is an imperfect copy of Earth, but everything is the same as the real Earth, to the point that Bizarro JLA are still the defenders and Bizarro Lex the villain.

Making Biz-Clark a sadistic killer on the first episode was a mistake.

dru-zod2501
12-14-2007, 05:27 PM
he reminds me of SBP more than ever now! thinks he's denied the life deserved to him, perhaps on some level he thinks he's going to be the real "Hero." He plans to own superman's life and kill everything that stands in his way. They both are great villains but I'm not sympathetic to either of them.

Mr. Clark Kent27
12-14-2007, 06:52 PM
No they had it all planned. I was still quite pissed of though that that was Bizarro the whole time (I didn't mind that but) he saved Chloe and Jimmy, and it wasn't the Clark hero moment. All of that in slow motion was the bad Clark.

Vergon6
12-14-2007, 08:11 PM
The thing about Bizarro is that he is a psychopath. They aren't necessarily out for world domination, but thrive on manipulating people and playing games with them. Basically he is a con artist and a psychopathic killer rolled up into one.

While he cannot feel empathy or any advanced emotions, only primary primal emotions like hate, he can observe and assimilate information about how other people react to situations.

It is almost like a cold, calculated, almost scientific approach to understanding how others feel emotions in ways they cannot do themselves. The take what they learn, and use it against people.

Therapy with psychopaths is so unsuccessful because they just use it as a means of learning more about how potential victims think and feel, so they can use that to toy with them in the future.

Bizarro is no different. Even if Lana didn't know about Lois' message, Bizarro would have likely saved Chloe and Jimmy to keep up appearances, in his quest to take over Clark's life, and getting off on what he does with that life to the people Clark knows and loves.

Sorry if I am getting on psychological, but I am just drawing on what I have learned about this type of individual, and you can sort of understand Bizarro's behavior knowing things like this about Psychopaths.

MrZeppo
12-14-2007, 10:22 PM
Well I think Bizarro gave a hint why he is acting this way. In the end, before he went all scary face.

"I realized something while I was gone. That feelings, good or bad, they don't just disappear. No matter who you are."

There was an obvious double-meaning in that. While he was gone he probably had nothing to do but relive Clark's memories. His love for Lana. His love for Chloe. He's still a secretive SOB, don't get me wrong, and I'm sure he has an agenda of his own. But Clark's feelings and memories have probably had an affect on him, and he wants Clark's life, a life he's only dreamed of.

He'll probably put his own unique twist onto it though.

ClareKent
12-14-2007, 11:43 PM
They started showing Bizarro like a psycho killer and now they're trying to give some kind of depth and feelings to his character so it can become into a fight for Clark's life. I really don't know hoy I feel about this...

Alexander III
12-14-2007, 11:47 PM
Bizarro likes Chloe, that's prolly why!

MidgardDragon
12-14-2007, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by TerraMan
...to save Chloe and Jimmy???

He knew Clark would do it. He has to act like Clark until he's got what he wanted. Obviously he wants something with Lex and until he gets it he will do whatever Clark would do. Remember he has all Clark's memories, he knows exactly what Clark would do in just about any situation.


Originally posted by ClareKent
They started showing Bizarro like a psycho killer and now they're trying to give some kind of depth and feelings to his character so it can become into a fight for Clark's life. I really don't know hoy I feel about this...

They showed his true nature initially and now he's back and trying to act like Clark. There's no real depth or feelings to him, he's just putting on an act to get whatever it is he wants.

ClareKent
12-14-2007, 11:50 PM
I'm starting to think that the only reason why he ask Lana for the info about Lex, was to find where Brainiac was, and now he'll go to find him.

Timester
12-15-2007, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by dru-zod2501
he reminds me of SBP more than ever now! thinks he's denied the life deserved to him, perhaps on some level he thinks he's going to be the real "Hero." He plans to own superman's life and kill everything that stands in his way. They both are great villains but I'm not sympathetic to either of them.

SuperEmo-Prime is now rampaging through the Multiverse, trying to find his home and killing all he considers wrong (he incinerated a pregnant Lana, stabbed to death a Zod Superman, destroyed a JLA, exploded with Earth-15 and kidnapped and tortured Myx). :p

seanmoriarty
12-15-2007, 06:37 AM
when you think about it, Bizarro isn't really a villain in Smallville, more misguided.

In the episode Bizarro, he wanted to live Clark's life, the only reason he was trying to kill him was so he would be able to do this without the real Clark showing up and ruining this for him.

When you think about it, it was really quite obvious that Bizarro would be reappearing, especially when an episode or two before we see that black liquid kryptonite stuff theat Lex had go onto that lab technician and turn her eyes black, just like the phantom did whenever it took over a body in season 6's episode Phantom.

Sean

kentfamily
12-15-2007, 12:10 PM
Bizarro needs Chloe to decipher the binary codes on her computer. Clark needed Chloe to do that in the past as well.
Bizarro has Clark's DNA in him which will give him some insight of the same feelings and emotions as Clark.
Bizarro's certain powers are opposite not the DNA that he has. Remember when Bizarro grabbed Lois' buttocks in "Bizarro"?

Clark always had some kind of sexual energy for Lois. Remember in "Crimson", Lana and Lex's engagement?

At the end, Clark tells Martha that " While he is keeping Chloe in the back burner, while he wants to kiss Lois but is IN LOVE with Lana this whole time"?

Bizarro has the DNA of Clark's. Emotions is part of that DNA.

While Bizarro still has his uncaring, tossed away creature, Never loved and only knows survival, its still there. He is surviving by using Clark's emotions to get to Brainiac, etc.

chantal
12-15-2007, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by seanmoriarty

When you think about it, it was really quite obvious that Bizarro would be reappearing, especially when an episode or two before we see that black liquid kryptonite stuff theat Lex had go onto that lab technician and turn her eyes black, just like the phantom did whenever it took over a body in season 6's episode Phantom.

Sean

The black stuff wasn't Bizarro, it was Brainiac.

It might be that Bizarro knew perfectly well what the Kryptonian stuff meant, he just had to pretend to Lana and Chloe that he needed help.

By the way, did everyone catch that Lana now knows about Lionel's Kryptonian connection? Of course, Bizarro shouldn't know that Lana knows unless Lana told him. Or maybe Bizarro told Lana about Lionel!

Radioflyer
12-16-2007, 05:04 AM
When deciphering the Kryptonian words Bizarro Clark writes:
D U S T
M. What might that mean? Dust Man? What?

jimmyolsenblues
12-16-2007, 06:42 AM
bizzaro must have some other plan, to impersonate clark for a period of time.
he does have all clark's memories.
the writers want a plot line where bizarro takes over clarks' life and the writing is actually good, I enjoyed the episode.

Harrison_Bergeron
12-16-2007, 01:09 PM
I had a thought, what if Jor-El sent Bizarro to take care of Brainiac knowing he would be a lasting threat if not dealt with fully. Clark has a tendency to defy him so he sent someone he somehow has control over to insure that it would be taken care of, punishes Clark for his defiance by letting someone else get horizontal with his girl, and saves the world from Brainiac. Of course it will all go wrong and Clark will have to fight off Bizarro and Brainiac.

red_cape_7
12-16-2007, 01:23 PM
bizarro needs chloe. he knows from clarks memories that she's got some skills that you can't just pick up (e.g., computer and research skills). and if he's going to take over clark's great life then she is a major part of making clark's life great.

seanmoriarty
12-17-2007, 03:31 AM
interesting how the liquid kryptonite brainiac is composed of turns people's eyes black, just like phantoms do- does this mean that brainiac and the phantoms, having lost their bodies are actually composed of the same genetic material as each other? it would certainly show simmilarities, such as brainiac being able to self replicate just as bizarro has done..

sean

2shae
12-17-2007, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by seanmoriarty
interesting how the liquid kryptonite brainiac is composed of turns people's eyes black, just like phantoms do- does this mean that brainiac and the phantoms, having lost their bodies are actually composed of the same genetic material as each other? it would certainly show simmilarities, such as brainiac being able to self replicate just as bizarro has done..

sean

No, it just looks cool :D
They have the same effect in Supernatural.
It's more of an indicator to show that something is wrong with the person...much like the Bizarro face.