Biblical references in Smallville

[jesustlife]

When I heard Chloe say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, I was like "Oh no Smallville is now part of the campaign against Christmas, so they don't offend other religions". But then they mention Christmas, and God and free will. I was relieved. Keep it up Smallville. Remember America, In God We Trust.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Since christmas has nothing to do with the bible, should this thread be called "christian references" ?

[mistaguitarmasta]

Originally posted by jesustlife
When I heard Chloe say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, I was like "Oh no Smallville is now part of the campaign against Christmas, so they don't offend other religions". But then they mention Christmas, and God and free will. I was relieved. Keep it up Smallville. Remember America, In God We Trust.

Amen to that. Keep Christ in Christmas.


Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Since christmas has nothing to do with the bible, should this thread be called "christian references" ?

The Christmas story, the real Christmas story, is written IN the Bible. So I don't know how you can say Christmas has nothing to do with it.

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Since christmas has nothing to do with the bible, should this thread be called "christian references" ?

Well, Board Master, maybe the word Christmas is not in the Bible but the origin of the story is. Christmas didn't start with Santa Clause, it started in Bethlehem. Anyway, my point is that as a country we are taking wrong decitions when it comes to freedom of speech or people's rights. If you are not a christian and you feel offended by a reference, then I'm sorry but I have the same right to be upset about abortion and you just have to deal with that. But we can't take God out of everything just because a great minority feels offended by it. I'll close my argument here, I don't want this thread to be deleted...for religious reasons, to be ironic.

[mistaguitarmasta]

Originally posted by jesustlife
When I heard Chloe say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, I was like "Oh no Smallville is now part of the campaign against Christmas, so they don't offend other religions". But then they mention Christmas, and God and free will. I was relieved. Keep it up Smallville. Remember America, In God We Trust.

Amen to that. Keep Christ in Christmas.


Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Since christmas has nothing to do with the bible, should this thread be called "christian references" ?

The Christmas story, the real Christmas story, is written IN the Bible. So I don't know how you can say Christmas has nothing to do with it.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by jesustlife
Well, Board Master, maybe the word Christmas is not in the Bible but the origin of the story is. Christmas didn't start with Santa Clause, it started in Bethlehem. Anyway, my point is that as a country we are taking wrong decitions when it comes to freedom of speech or people's rights. If you are not a christian and you feel offended by a reference, then I'm sorry but I have the same right to be upset about abortion and you just have to deal with that. But we can't take God out of everything just because a great minority feels offended by it. I'll close my argument here, I don't want this thread to be deleted...for religious reasons, to be ironic.

Dude, I am christian, but the fact is, your thread was titiled BIBLE refernces, so the free will statement makes sense, but Christmas is not a biblical reference, even the date is not inline with the bible.

Don't mean to be nitpicky, sorry.

[chumpy]

Originally posted by jesustlife
When I heard Chloe say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, I was like "Oh no Smallville is now part of the campaign against Christmas, so they don't offend other religions". But then they mention Christmas, and God and free will. I was relieved. Keep it up Smallville. Remember America, In God We Trust.

I'm sorry, but as a Christian I find this thread offensive.

You're basically badmouthing people who might go out of their way to make sure all religious groups can feel comfortable?

Religion is about tolerance and acceptance, end of story.

[moviefan2k4]

As a Christian, I actually agree with the original poster, although that situation didn't register with me until after I clicked this thread.

As for Chumpy's remark, sometimes faith dictates that we recognize evil for what it is, and stand against it. Sadly, too many "believers" have become more passive than passionate regarding the truth.

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by chumpy
I'm sorry, but as a Christian I find this thread offensive.

You're basically badmouthing people who might go out of their way to make sure all religious groups can feel comfortable?

Religion is about tolerance and acceptance, end of story.

Oh, here we go....Ok, tolerance, acceptance, and you forgot the most important, truth. I'm not badmouthing anyone, I respect everyone. You don't understand my point. When prayer and God subjects were taken out of schools not to mention other exclusions about God in our society...our own Constitution is based on the Bible. And shuttin it up, well I'm just happy that this show still holds to the Truth.


Originally posted by chumpy
I'm sorry, but as a Christian I find this thread offensive.

You're basically badmouthing people who might go out of their way to make sure all religious groups can feel comfortable?

Religion is about tolerance and acceptance, end of story.

I know Smallville is not a christian show, is not their mission to preach. As christians we need to forgive and even tolerate, like you say. But truth must be told, is a light that can't be turned off. And confrontation is inevitable. Truth needs to be told, but with love and mercy. Compromising the truth just to please others is a mistake.

[chumpy]

Originally posted by jesustlife
Oh, here we go....Ok, tolerance, acceptance, and you forgot the most important, truth. I'm not badmouthing anyone, I respect everyone. You don't understand my point. When prayer and God subjects were taken out of schools not to mention other exclusions about God in our society...our own Constitution is based on the Bible. And shuttin it up, well I'm just happy that this show still holds to the Truth.



I know Smallville is not a christian show, is not their mission to preach. As christians we need to forgive and even tolerate, like you say. But truth must be told, is a light that can't be turned off. And confrontation is inevitable. Truth needs to be told, but with love and mercy. Compromising the truth just to please others is a mistake.

Well obviously you wanted to get some type of reaction or you obviously wouldn't have posted a thread like this.

Religion is the most hotly debated topic in the world.

And, how is it evil to believe in one's faith, and live your life accordingly, but not want shove it down someone else's throat?

While you bring up the Constitution, remember that while this country may have been founded by Christians, it is now the home to a multitude of religions and ethnicities. And let's not forget that the Constitution is not a perfect document...The three-fifths compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution. While obviously not in practice, proves it's a flawed document.

[moviefan2k4]

First, I didn't create this thread; the Op did. Second, my point was that situational ethics are dangerous affairs, especially for Christians. We're called to be in the world, but not of it...which means when it comes down to either God or everyone else, we should have the strength through Him to choose God.

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by chumpy
Well obviously you wanted to get some type of reaction or you obviously wouldn't have posted a thread like this.

Religion is the most hotly debated topic in the world.

And, how is it evil to believe in one's faith, and live your life accordingly, but not want shove it down someone else's throat?

While you bring up the Constitution, remember that while this country may have been founded by Christians, it is now the home to a multitude of religions and ethnicities. And let's not forget that the Constitution is not a perfect document...The three-fifths compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution. While obviously not in practice, proves it's a flawed document.

The Constitution may be flawed....but the Bible ain't. And I repeat, I understand we need to tolerate, but not compromise the truth.

[chumpy]

How is it compromising the truth by wishing a person "Happy Holidays"?

This time of year is home to a multitude of "holidays" such as Christmas, New Years, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, and others...

So how is it compromising by getting into the spirit of the overall season and wishing people a sweeping message of "good cheer" by saying "Happy Holidays"?

[Timester]

Originally posted by jesustlife
When I heard Chloe say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, I was like "Oh no Smallville is now part of the campaign against Christmas, so they don't offend other religions". But then they mention Christmas, and God and free will. I was relieved. Keep it up Smallville. Remember America, In God We Trust.

"Christmas" was originally a Roman pagan fest, to celebrate the winter solstice. Throughout the ages (especially at the early Christian Roman days), the concept of Christmas was introduce to end the pagan festivals and since then, even the date changed alot of time.

The modern concept of Christmas started to appear on the 1800s and began to change from a Christian festival to a day of offerings and joy with the close ones. Yes, the bases are still Christian, but even I that am a Catholic Christian (like 99% of Portugal) know that Christmas is a global fest, celebrated by Christians and non-Christians all around the world.

And with this history lesson, this thread needs to be closed, since it's against the rules.

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by chumpy
How is it compromising the truth by wishing a person "Happy Holidays"?

This time of year is home to a multitude of "holidays" such as Christmas, New Years, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, and others...

So how is it compromising by getting into the spirit of the overall season and wishing people a sweeping message of "good cheer" by saying "Happy Holidays"?

Ok, again. Happy Holidays by itself is not offensive. I'm talking about any action that takes out God from the spotlight just to please a minority or to make everyone happy. As a christian country we have a comittment to share christianity, and yes, while doing it, tolerate other religions, share, love, etc. My point is: Let's keep God in the first place. Ok?

[Drakaun]

It is important to note the reference to free will as well. If the writers wan't to go out of there way to say Happy Holidays and avoid direct religious references, that is their choice, if they want to talk about god and the Real Christmas Story that is also their choice. Everyone has their own beliefs, and everyone should be entitled to them, and no one should ever force any beliefs upon anyone else. So to the OP if you are happy to see biblical references in tact in the smallville universe, more power to you. And to the poster who felt offended by the OP more power to you, to each his own and all that good stuff. Of course one has to also see the bigger picture as to why schools don't teach religion and all that other stuff. A lot of people don't have the same beliefs, more and more people these days in fact, and America is all about appeasing everyone within it, which is a phyisical impossibility, so they do their best. But be honest with yourself, there are different degrees of religious beliefs and to live your life strictly by the bible is not acceptable in today's society.

Example, the bible says that if a wife is not a virgin when she is married she should be stoned to death.

Also the bible says that if her husband dies she is required to have sex with all of his brothers until a male heir is born.

As you can see that is a bit extreme and would not be acceptable in socieity. Basically it is just everyone is entitled to their beliefs but nothing is the definative "right" or "wrong" which is why so many changes are made in today's socieity, so yes, it is nice to have references to God and free will and all that, but it is not "right" or the "truth" or "wrong" or a "lie" it is and always will be a belief.

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by Timester


And with this history lesson, this thread needs to be closed, since it's against the rules.

With that comment you just made my point for me. Thanks.

[chumpy]

Originally posted by Timester
"Christmas" was originally a Roman pagan fest, to celebrate the winter solstice. Throughout the ages (especially at the early Christian Roman days), the concept of Christmas was introduce to end the pagan festivals and since then, even the date changed alot of time.

The modern concept of Christmas started to appear on the 1800s and began to change from a Christian festival to a day of offerings and joy with the close ones. Yes, the bases are still Christian, but even I that am a Catholic Christian (like 99% of Portugal) know that Christmas is a global fest, celebrated by Christians and non-Christians all around the world.

And with this history lesson, this thread needs to be closed, since it's against the rules.

Exactly.

And I concur, and have also reported this thread to the board mods already.


Originally posted by jesustlife
With that comment you just made my point for me. Thanks.

Yeah, no it wasn't.

[Timester]

Originally posted by jesustlife
With that comment you just made my point for me. Thanks.

That is against the rules religious threads, to avoid flamming and trolls rumping through it?

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by chumpy
Exactly.

And I concur, and have also reported this thread to the board mods already.



Yeah, no it wasn't.

I think if the creators of Smallville chose to give Bible references in the show itself I don't see why the thread should be removed, I was just reacting to the episode like everyone else. Merry Christmas to everyone and Happy Holidays.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Chistmas is cool because we get presents.

What I hate though is having to buy presents for other people.

[moviefan2k4]

It's just because most people see religion as too controversial to ever discuss in mainstream areas, so a lot of places (online and off) discourage against it. They're afraid of people hearing something that might hurt their feelings, regardless of whether its true or not.

[Timester]

Originally posted by jesustlife
I think if the creators of Smallville chose to give Bible references in the show itself I don't see why the thread should be removed, I was just reacting to the episode like everyone else. Merry Christmas to everyone and Happy Holidays.

Because of this:

"5) Threads about politics are STRICTLY NOT ALLOWED. Threads regarding religion, sexual orientation, gender issues, ethnic/racial issues are allowed on a limited basis. Please get the approval from at least one of the moderators before opening such a thread, and post the moderator’s approval in the thread."

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I don't see why this thread should be closed...I don't get it.
Everyone is being civil..

[Timester]

Originally posted by moviefan2k4
It's just because most people see religion as too controversial to ever discuss in mainstream areas, so a lot of places (online and off) discourage against it. They're afraid of people hearing something that might hurt their feelings, regardless of whether its true or not.

Because it's not your nor anyone's else job to tell the "truth" on this private forum. There is only one truth here, the rules that are on the top of each forum.

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
I don't see why this thread should be closed...I don't get it.
Everyone is being civil..

Thanks. But I'll abide by the rules. Is the christian thing to do, like Jesus did.

Again Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

I agree I think the discussion was peaceful and civil. Don't see the problem.

Oh, and I love Smallville.


Originally posted by Timester
Because of this:

"5) Threads about politics are STRICTLY NOT ALLOWED. Threads regarding religion, sexual orientation, gender issues, ethnic/racial issues are allowed on a limited basis. Please get the approval from at least one of the moderators before opening such a thread, and post the moderator’s approval in the thread."

I think it says my thread is allowed on a limited basis. Can't see where I crossed the limit. But again, I'll abide by the rules.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Maybe the thread can be sent over to the christian fellowship thread ?

[litew8]

If I'm not mistaken, the word Christmas derived long ago from the Mass of Christ. If someone says Merry Christmas to another, the person recieving the greetings should in NO WAY be offended. They should percieve the greetings with love, care and affection. Anyone being offended by someone saying Merry Christmas has issues and a major attitude problem. IMO

[moviefan2k4]

Originally posted by litew8
If I'm not mistaken, the word Christmas derived long ago from the Mass of Christ. If someone says Merry Christmas to another, the person recieving the greetings should in NO WAY be offended. They should percieve the greetings with love, care and affection. Anyone being offended by someone saying Merry Christmas has issues and a major attitude problem. IMO Agreed.

[chumpy]

Originally posted by litew8
If I'm not mistaken, the word Christmas derived long ago from the Mass of Christ. If someone says Merry Christmas to another, the person recieving the greetings should in NO WAY be offended. They should percieve the greetings with love, care and affection. Anyone being offended by someone saying Merry Christmas has issues and a major attitude problem. IMO

I completely agree that someone should not be offended by being wished a "Merry Christmas", but that wasn't the issue that was raised by the person who created this thread.

[Insight]

I like to say "Happy Christmas" just to mess with the Happy Holidays crowd. hehe

I think too many people equate tolerance and acceptance with someone saying "I agree with you" or "I don't think you are wrong". Society has gotten to the point where actually telling anybody they are wrong is frowned upon, unless of course you are telling a Christian they are...in which case society says 'more power'. (To all the Christians out there...Take heart and smile. The Bible tells us it will only get worse.)

Anywho... Happy Christmas!

[biggkoz]

Keep kryptonite in christmas.

[number8]

As stated in the rule, have you gotten permission from a moderator to start this thread? I'm going to close this thread to prevent bashing/flaming and more arguing.

If you have any problems with my closing the topic, please PM me instead of creating a new thread to address me. Thank you.