Grant Gabriel Confirmed As A Clone [Archive] - KSiteTV Television & Movie Forums

ginnyfan

12-14-2007, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by The Great Ymmij
Who else is relieved that Grant "Julian" Gabriel is a clone? This explains why he is much older than he should be, and everything that happened in the great Season 3 episodes weren't in vain!

Well I'm relieved that the whole Julian Luthor part of the plot is resolved and gone (for now). It ended better than I expected it to. I am mildly curious about where Julian is headed and what he will do... but... yeah. Glad it's over.

Not a big fan of the cloning but... at least it saves the writers from seeming totally oblivious to continuity. Well more oblivious than usual.

Batman_Beyonder

12-14-2007, 12:18 AM

Pete will be a clone too. :)

kentfamily

12-14-2007, 12:24 AM

Dont forget about Chloe.

Lex has her DNA too! Remember Lana's Bowling night (Bachelorette)episode.

Remember, what Lex said in the end? Keep a close eye on her.

Chloe Clone and Lana Clone will duke it out over Clark Bizarro.

Yes, CLONES GONE WILD is right!hahahahahahahahaha!!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

ginnyfan

12-14-2007, 12:24 AM

LOL!!! I wonder what would motivate Lex to create a clone of Pete.

kentfamily

12-14-2007, 12:31 AM

Pete is returning with a stretchy kind of power in "Hero" as they say. I guess Lex wants some of that too.

ginnyfan

12-14-2007, 12:32 AM

^HUH?!

Well... I'm spoiler free this season so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

However if Chloe's a freak it would make sense that Pete would be one too.

Hm.

elway

12-14-2007, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by Batman_Beyonder
Pete will be a clone too. :)

:rotfl: :rotfl:

And Green Arrow

I think they clonned the season.....:D

skully

12-14-2007, 05:09 AM

I thought it was a very neat and quite elegant tying together of a lot of the plotlines in the last two seasons. Kudos to the writers for some tidy work.

Theshadow129x

12-14-2007, 05:13 AM

i thought it was stupid. they've used the whole possession and the clone thing waay too much in this show that when it comes up again you're not shocked you're disgusted because they start wasting your time with an already used plot.

ClarksNextGF

12-14-2007, 06:31 AM

I thought it was very confusing.

Unfortunately - I wasn't surprised because some jerk posted the spoiler in an episode thread a few episodes ago.

What I don't understand - is they talked about Lex's brother who died, then talked about the brother that was given up for adoption. - Which is Gabriel suppose to be?

Is he a combination of both brothers? Kinda like a Luthor mutt?

The Great Ymmij

12-14-2007, 08:21 AM

Gabriel is a clone of Julian with implanted memories. He thought that he was given up for adoption. Lex's real baby brother was murdered by his mother. Gabriel doesn't know anything about that.

HowardFilms

12-14-2007, 09:42 AM

Just wait till the actors go on strike. Then AlMiles' clones will come in handy.

freefall

12-14-2007, 09:47 AM

I actually like how the clones are used on this show. Something good came out of Ageless, who'd have thought it? :D

ClarksGal

12-14-2007, 10:56 AM

Technically, Bizarro is also a clone. :)

Originally posted by seacrystal
I actually like how the clones are used on this show. Something good came out of Ageless, who'd have thought it? :D

I agree with you. I didn't like the cloning thing as it related to Lana, but now that I know it was only one step in Lex's master plan, and not an end to itself, I like the idea much better. And, it really does tie a lot of other seasons/episodes together, including Ageless, the Emily Dinmore episodes, 33.1, and all that stuff, as well as Lex's issues about wanting a family and love in his life, coupled with his inability to understand that you can't force love into existence. What Julian said about Lex playing God is exactly what I love about the SV incarnation of Lex. He is so incredibly flawed, but in a way that is so human. He's not some mindless genius trying to take over the world for its own sake. He is slowly driven mad over time because he is determined to create the world that he wants to heal the hurts. With this Lex, I can see why someday he would want to run for President. Yes, for power and control, of course, he has that in his blood. But also, because he has a burning need for everyone to love him. And Superman will someday take that away from him, because everyone will love Superman and Superman will defeat Lex. No wonder Lex will hate Superman.

freefall

12-14-2007, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by ClarksGal
I agree with you. I didn't like the cloning thing as it related to Lana, but now that I know it was only one step in Lex's master plan, and not an end to itself, I like the idea much better. And, it really does tie a lot of other seasons/episodes together, including Ageless, the Emily Dinmore episodes, 33.1, and all that stuff, as well as Lex's issues about wanting a family and love in his life, coupled with his inability to understand that you can't force love into existence. What Julian said about Lex playing God is exactly what I love about the SV incarnation of Lex. He is so incredibly flawed, but in a way that is so human. He's not some mindless genius trying to take over the world for its own sake. He is slowly driven mad over time because he is determined to create the world that he wants to heal the hurts. With this Lex, I can see why someday he would want to run for President. Yes, for power and control, of course, he has that in his blood. But also, because he has a burning need for everyone to love him. And Superman will someday take that away from him, because everyone will love Superman and Superman will defeat Lex. No wonder Lex will hate Superman.

Thank you for putting it into words so perfectly for me. :D

It just goes to show just how sick and insane both Lex and Lionel are, and Lex is becoming more like the character that he's supposed to be. Someone that I'd love to hate, instead of just outright hating his character because he's such a wuss when it comes to Lana.

Lex's cruelty in telling Adrian he's just a mistake after he had already shot him is spot on, and Michael plays that very well. In fact, both Michaels are great in this scene. :) I really like Grant's growing horror when he finally found out he's just a clone as well.

xaosthry

12-14-2007, 11:40 AM

I have to admit, Grant got on my nerves at the first. After Last night, I was very impressed with him standing up to Lex like that.

Crusader

12-14-2007, 01:01 PM

Oh you've gotta be kidding me!! He's a clone??!!
I havn't watched this episode yet as I live in the UK, but seriously this is just a joke. Like when I was scrolling down to find on ksite if the information for gemini was uploaded, I was actually kidding myself joking that it would be something to do stupid cloning, and apparently it is!
This is just ridiculous now, cloning so far hasn't helped the plot of smallville at all, it's just some stupid science fiction plot thought up by the writers that was motivated by them day dreaming over the upcoming strike.
Seriously bad in my opinion.

rafikiven

12-14-2007, 01:22 PM

All I can say is THANK GOD he's a clone. I'm losing faith in my fav show here, but at least they didn't screw this one up.

I can't say I'm a fan of the clones, but this is the better of the clone plot-lines. It just goes to show how screwed in the head Lex is and it's really within character for him. We know what a huge impact Julian had on his life and it's just the kind of psycho thing Lex would do to try to make his life better.

litew8

12-14-2007, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
or "CLONES GONE WILD" !

They're growing them like corn down there :lol: :lol: (Note: The pervert who makes Girls Gone Wild has been thrown in jail, and I'm glad.)

Originally posted by HowardFilms
Just wait till the actors go on strike. Then AlMiles' clones will come in handy. :lol: :p :lol: Maybe we could download some better scripts into their heads while we're at it. :lol:

Originally posted by ClarksGal
And, it really does tie a lot of other seasons/episodes together, including Ageless, the Emily Dinmore episodes, 33.1, and all that stuff But it really doesn't address 33.1 too much because it was revealed that Lex has a seperate lab used for cloning. I think someone (Lois?) called it a clone farm.

If 33.1 was tied into the cloning (which I was, and still am, hoping it would entail a Lana clone), the clones should have meteor freak powers. That's what 33.1 is about - study, copy, replicate, and enhance meteor freak powers. We haven't seen (yet) a clone with those attributes.

Originally posted by ClarksNextGF
I thought it was very confusing.

Unfortunately - I wasn't surprised because some jerk posted the spoiler in an episode thread a few episodes ago.

What I don't understand - is they talked about Lex's brother who died, then talked about the brother that was given up for adoption. - Which is Gabriel suppose to be?

Is he a combination of both brothers? Kinda like a Luthor mutt? Lex first cloned Julian - but it was unsuccessful. That's who Adrian was - the guy who planted the bomb. He was a failed prototype because he was aging too fast and was about to die. The second attempt Lex made at cloning Julian was a success and that is who Grant is. Grant Grabriel and Adrian we both the same person - just one was aging faster than the other.

They both had fake memories implanted into them by Lex.
Now Grant knows he's a clone and has fake memories.
He doesn't know anything about the real Julian who died as a baby.

DestinyAw8s

12-14-2007, 03:53 PM

Actually, I'm loving the clone element. Who but Lex Luthor would do such a dastardly thing? Have the resources and single-minded disregard of possible consequences to even attempt it? And in the middle of committing such atrocities, he still has the human need to have someone of his own. To be so starved and sadly desperate for someone to appreciate his accomplishments and share in his dreams that he would go so far as to clone his dead brother. But it hasn't turned out well for him. Once again, this objection has developed a backlash that is sure to push him even more toward the abyss of his destiny. Because it is obvious that Lex doesn't see Julian as simply his newest creation, he has become his actual brother and recipient of all the repressed emotions and deprivation associated with such. He doesn't want to keep Julian on a leash because he doesn't trust him, but because he loves him, in the only way he knows, and needs to be aware of his every action. Lex Luthor is past delusional, sinking into his depravity, and so twisted in his own arrogance that he thinks he is unstoppable in gaining whatever he wishes. That everything he does is for the "good" of something: himself, the world, mankind, people under his microscopes, etc. In his own mind, this is very clear to him. And the "bad" people would be anyone that gets in his way or attempts to curtail any extraordinary vision or visions that he feels he is destined to enforce. As for the whole cloning thing, well, in reality this has already been done with sheep and who knows what else. I would think it dumb if a visionary like Lex Luthor, with all his resources and all the money in the world at his disposal, didn't see the possibilities of cloning and how it could greatly enhance his agenda. And if, along the way, he wants to make it more personal, then I don't have any problem accepting that, either. He is human, after all. Even Clark went there at one point. And there is nothing wrong with that, IMO. Given the same opportunities, none of us could say for sure what we would do. I know I can't. I will vigorously deny that I would. But would I? I don't know. Thankfully, I will never have to find out.

Krpyto

12-14-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by elway
I just want all this cloning to stop!

I agree I remember when all the cloning stuff about killed Spiderman comics at one time. It rebounded eventually but lost a lot of readers for quite awhile. Fans hated it.

xrayvision

12-14-2007, 09:20 PM

I thought they did a great job with explaining Grant being Julian. I hope they explain why Lex cloned Lana and how he did it. I'm guessing he used the same technique. A good way for us to find out the details surrounding the Lana clone is by Lois' story on Lex and Lois exposing Lana as well.

Xalax

12-14-2007, 09:26 PM

ghfg

freefall

12-14-2007, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
I thought they did a great job with explaining Grant being Julian. I hope they explain why Lex cloned Lana and how he did it. I'm guessing he used the same technique. A good way for us to find out the details surrounding the Lana clone is by Lois' story on Lex and Lois exposing Lana as well.

I thought they have explained everything regarding the Lana clone in Bizarro itself? Basically Lex's reason to clone Lana is the same reason why he cloned Julian in the first place, to have the certain people depend on him and not lose them again.

It shows the depths of insanity that Lex has fallen into, and while Julian and Lana have been cloned for his own personal reasons, Project Gemini itself is a part of a bigger plan along with his 33.1 stuff, Scion, the buying of the DP etc etc.

But I just find it amusing that Grant basically said the same things that Lana had said in Phantom, about him being incapable of love. Considering Smallville's soap opera tendency, I actually had expected Lex to slap Grant after he told Lex he was the living proof that he had forgotten how to love. :) Thank God Lex simply kept his face stoic and try to look unaffected.

gkl73

12-15-2007, 12:00 AM

There's just a couple things i need cleared up... So is it completely evident that Grant and Adrian were clones of THE ACTUAL Julian Luthor? or were they just clones of some guy that Lex decided to make his brother... If so, how did Lex get his DNA? dig up his coffin and extract it from his dead body? Also... what is the point of making the clones rapidly age? I mean, really what's the benefit? it seems to me like the writers just did it so that they could have another good-looking twenty-something actor on the show to spice up the romance for Lois. Or is it just that rapid aging is just some unavoidable biproduct of cloning (like anyone can even know that)? If anyone has some solid answers for these questions, go right ahead...

Alexander III

12-15-2007, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by ginnyfan
^HUH?!

Well... I'm spoiler free this season so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

However if Chloe's a freak it would make sense that Pete would be one too.

Hm.

Pete's not a meteor freak (assume he wasn't)

He's just a freak

litew8

12-15-2007, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by gkl73
There's just a couple things i need cleared up... So is it completely evident that Grant and Adrian were clones of THE ACTUAL Julian Luthor? or were they just clones of some guy that Lex decided to make his brother... If so, how did Lex get his DNA? dig up his coffin and extract it from his dead body? Also... what is the point of making the clones rapidly age? I mean, really what's the benefit? it seems to me like the writers just did it so that they could have another good-looking twenty-something actor on the show to spice up the romance for Lois. Or is it just that rapid aging is just some unavoidable biproduct of cloning (like anyone can even know that)? If anyone has some solid answers for these questions, go right ahead... I'm not sure how he was able to get Julian's DNA - but maybe Lionel or Lex saved a baby blanket or something? Maybe there is reference to some memoriabilia that was saved that had DNA on it? I don't know.

The point of rapidly aging - well, Lex got Evan's Rapid Aging Secret WAY back when (S3?) and presumably used it to create his clone army (that got destroyed in the dam). Consider this - build an army of rapid aging clones - he would be able to replenish his army in a matter of days - not years. So he just decided to clone his brother Julian - a few days later - download memories and - tada.

But I think the clones he made for his army were suppose to have meteor freak powers. Pick and choose meteor freak powers. Which comes from Lex's experiments using 33.1.

But now it seems Lex has another lab somewhere exclusively for cloning. At least that's what it sounded like. He might not be finished with the project. And if there's two Julians, why couldn't there be more than one Lana? :lol:

xrayvision

12-15-2007, 01:07 PM

Also by aging Grant, Lionel would not be able to recognize him.

Now that's what I'm looking forward to--Lionel passing by Grant/Julian. That will be an awesome scene.

Coyote

12-15-2007, 02:05 PM

HaHa! Another clone! There's no limit to the cheese on this show.

litew8

12-15-2007, 02:36 PM

If I had a choice, clones over sap, I'd choose clones.
At least with the clones (so far), there's an element of mystrery.
Don't get me wrong, I HATE cloning of things in real life.
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But as of late, it seems Smallville has moved away from meaningful conversations that they use to have with certain character. Stretched out, slow conversations that weighed a lot and had helped to paint their backstories.

The Great Ymmij

12-15-2007, 02:47 PM

At first I thought that the whole "age fast" process came from Season 3's episode "Forsaken" when Emily Dinsmore aged rapidly, but then I realized that Lex never knew about that. Lionel was the one behind that cloning. Lex only knew about Evan's fast-aging dilemma from season 4.

AngelaV

12-15-2007, 09:00 PM

You want clones coming out of your ears? Read the X-Men series and anything about Cable, Nathan Summers. I think my head exploded over all the Nathan Summers running around over the decades. :)

ClarksNextGF

12-16-2007, 12:09 PM

Lex has/had TWO brothers. Julian died at birth. Lucas was given up for adoption - and is currently still alive (and on good terms with Lex).

Why make a clone of Julian and give it Lucas' memories? Why not make a clone of Lucas? OR why not just bring Lucas back on to the show?

freefall

12-16-2007, 12:17 PM

Julian is the one who had brought so much impact to the Luthor family, both for better and for worse. His birth and death were the turning points in the Luthors' life and their relationships with each other.

Lucas is simply nowhere that important, and it's not his memories that have been implanted in Adrian and Grant. They're simply made up memories. Lucas have spent his life mostly on the streets and now in protective custody, he's certainly no Harvard graduate like what Grant and Adrian have been led to believe of themselves.

DestinyAw8s

12-16-2007, 01:24 PM

All of the memories of the present Julian are fantasies from the mind of Lex Luthor. The real Julian is dead and never had a chance to make memories of that kind. What I see presented now is that Lex is slowly coming to terms with Julian's "freewill" atitude and finally realizing that all the hopes and dreams he had invested in Julian's creation will never come to fruition. Lex might have been able to control Julian's past through these memories, but he can not control his future actions so easily. And if this Julian was cloned from the dead baby's DNA, maybe we will get a little insight into the man he might have become, given the chance and a Lex fantasy upbringing. If he does have Luthor DNA, then he's already a much better man than I would have expected. But aside from that, how will Lex handle this rebellion? And what is Julian's next step? Will he make contact with Lionel? That's what I want to know most! I can hardly wait!!

ClarksNextGF

12-17-2007, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by seacrystal
Julian is the one who had brought so much impact to the Luthor family, both for better and for worse. His birth and death were the turning points in the Luthors' life and their relationships with each other.

Lucas is simply nowhere that important, and it's not his memories that have been implanted in Adrian and Grant. They're simply made up memories. Lucas have spent his life mostly on the streets and now in protective custody, he's certainly no Harvard graduate like what Grant and Adrian have been led to believe of themselves.

Thank you :) I missed the part about Lex made it up.

If they are going to "invent" a background for someone - they shouldn't use one that already exists in the show :(