**Lana DID have a SECRET and I think she has MORE [Archive]

MrZeppo

12-14-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Lana isn't a clone........Why isn't that theory dead? Secondly, you have no idea when Lana discovered all these new things. Could have been during the time Clark was gone.

Agreed SVMan, this stupid Lana Clone theory has to die. I can't believe people are still talking about this. If this was true, we'd have seen something by now. All this theory sums upto is a cheap cop out for the Lana character. That's it. If this Lana ever turned out to be a clone, that would be the worst storytelling I've ever seen. This is our Lana, the Lana we met 7 years ago, she's just changed as a person. That's it, it's that simple.

Why has Lana done bad and questionably immoral things? It's because she's not the perfect girl Clark pined for. Having lived her life the way she has and having been influenced by Lex and Clark, she's a lil' messed up in the head. That's it. No clones, no excuses, this is our Lana.

I think what they are doing now is actually the most interesting Lana has ever been. The sweet girl thing from the teen years was boring. The complexity and actual facets she's developed since she got involved with Lex is what is making her interesting. What Lana has become is great IMHO, because she's not some 2 dimensional character anymore.

That lab tech got infected with Brainiac at the end of "Blue", the same time Clark got trapped in to FOS. Lana probably found out about it and grabbed her before anyone else did, possibley to see if she could help her too. She hasn't been honest with Clark because she's been obsessed with taking Lex down. And why Bizarro Clark gets along so well with her is because he's playing into her obsession and using it to draw them closer. (And also because he wants to take on Lex for betraying him in "Bizarro".)

But let's not mistake things. She's at war with herself, because she has grown darker yes, but that sweet girl we once knew still exists within her. Her character has hit the crossroads of her own personal destiny.

Alexander III

12-14-2007, 11:06 PM

Here we are with the Lana clone theory again. She's NOT!!

IloveClark

12-14-2007, 11:28 PM

Lana can't lift her own weight.So the Lana in Smallville has to be a damn clone.I also read a spoiler that said she was a clone.If you all think it's the real Lana how did she have the strength to put the clone in the truck.And why have things between her and Clark been strained since she came back.I think she'a clone bent on revenge against Lex for throwing her away.If I'm wrong fine.But you shouldn't put people down for thinking that's the way it might be.The writers are dumb so why wouldn't they do something like this.

citizenlen

12-14-2007, 11:50 PM

MrZeppo, good analogy. Lana is in the same crossroads as Lex was in S1-S3, but the writers are moving her to mythos, I hope. The clone is gone.

Anyway, at least Lana is the only one keeping her promise of taking down Lex. If I recall Lois was hell-bent on taking down Lex for what he did to Wes. And now, she's playing patty cake with the boss. Chloe even threatened to expose Lex, and that hasn't been happening. She's too busy babysitting BDA and feeling sorry for herself. Our BDA hasn't grown a pair for the last 7 years. In fact, the only one with balls is Lana. Say what you will about Lana, she was willing to take down not one Luthor, but two.

litew8

12-15-2007, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Lana isn't a clone........Why isn't that theory dead? Secondly, you have no idea when Lana discovered all these new things. Could have been during the time Clark was gone. The theory isn't dead because we never got confirmation that Lana has told Clark about her being cloned or that she supposedly blew up her clone. She lied to Clark about the 10 million dollars. She lied to everyone about ISIS. She lied about not being obsessed with Lex any longer. So, naturally, SHE'S A LIER! Why should anyone believe her or her true motives/intent.

Besides all of that, BiZaRrO had to actually ASK her about any information she has on Lex BEFORE she was willing to tell him about it. Then when they went to ISIS, ALL of the computers were turned back on! She had loads more information concerning SCION and she SOMEHOW managed to retrieve the body that Brainiac was inhabiting! THAT'S why it isn't dead. Lots of deciet still going on!

Serynarpc

12-15-2007, 03:39 AM

No, Lana isn't a clone. The horse- brushing Lana has to be real,s he's always had a mad on for the horses. I did subscribe to the 'there has to be more clones' out there somehwere theory, if only because there was a whole warehouse in the dam of Wes.

Lex seems to like to buy in bulk. This episode shows that he's been experimenting with 'flawed' prototypes to get the 'best version'.

Why not with 503-Lana too?

On 'can Clark see'- Clark could see when he was being transported to the Phantom Zone. I guess he doesn't need to blink whilst in stasis in the cystal.

I'm guessing he's watching & fuming that Bizarro is going to get all the props & flirt with all the ladies.

Its hilarious.

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-15-2007, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by Alexander III
Here we are with the Lana clone theory again. She's NOT!!

i know the feeling its guaranteed that after each ep this topic will come up, you just got to stop hitting your head against the brick wall and let people carry on with what they say since no matter how much you try you just cant convince them otherwise

SmallvilleMan

12-15-2007, 10:23 AM

The theory isn't dead because we never got confirmation that Lana has told Clark about her being cloned or that she supposedly blew up her clone

Yes, she did tell Clark about that........That's why during Fierce Lana said they couldn't tell Chloe she was alive before they cleared her.

As for everything else, she obviously was going to put that behind her, considering that the Isis office was all shut down.

kentfamily

12-15-2007, 11:13 AM

When did Lana know about Kryptonian sounds? It was BIZARRO that knew.

Did anyone watch that episode or listened?

To ILOVECLARK, I think you were reading an old spolier. The clone dies in the explosion on "Phantom" in season 6.

Mr Zeppo has a very good point, and I agree with that.

redeem147

12-15-2007, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by litew8
But in the comics, she isn't suppose to know that Clark Kent is Superman - is she?

Yes and no. There are so many continuities. In the Byrne reboot she found out when Clark left Smallville. In the older comics she didn't know, and when she moved to Metropolis she competed with Lois for Superman.

The show seems to borrow from a lot of different threads, from both the older comics and the new, and the movies (which have their own continuity).

Even the comics now don't really have a canon, at least since they dropped the little numbers from the covers (I miss the little numbers).

In today's comics, she knows.

litew8

12-15-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by kentfamily
When did Lana know about Kryptonian sounds? It was BIZARRO that knew. Did anyone watch that episode or listened?
If you are referring to what I wrote earlier - Lana was standing right there next to BiZaRrO when he turned to her and said the lady was speaking Kryptonian.

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yes, she did tell Clark about that........That's why during Fierce Lana said they couldn't tell Chloe she was alive before they cleared her.

As for everything else, she obviously was going to put that behind her, considering that the Isis office was all shut down. Yea right. We're suppose to assume that Lana told Clark everything. The problem I have with that is that I NEVER heard it. I tend NOT to believe things I don't hear. She said that about clearing her name, but NEVER ONCE did I hear her say ANYTHING about a clone to Clark - or ANY other type of explanation.

As for everything else, she OBVIOUSLY hasn't put ANYTHING behind her, considering that ISIS office IS STILL UP AND RUNNING! Why do you think all of the computers were turned back on? She had tons more information on Lex. She managed to retrieve the body Braniac was inhabiting. ISIS has not been shut down.

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
i know the feeling its guaranteed that after each ep this topic will come up, you just got to stop hitting your head against the brick wall and let people carry on with what they say since no matter how much you try you just cant convince them otherwise That's absolutlely right SV'S. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. At least here in the good ole U.S. of A..

As for hitting your head against brick walls - I don't suggest you do that. :lol: :\ :rolleyes:

Serynarpc

12-15-2007, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by litew8
If you are referring to what I wrote earlier - Lana was standing right there next to BiZaRrO when he turned to her and said the lady was speaking Kryptonian.

Yea right. We're suppose to assume that Lana told Clark everything. The problem I have with that is that I NEVER heard it. I tend NOT to believe things I don't hear. She said that about clearing her name, but NEVER ONCE did I hear her say ANYTHING about a clone to Clark - or ANY other type of explanation.

As for everything else, she OBVIOUSLY hasn't put ANYTHING behind her, considering that ISIS office IS STILL UP AND RUNNING! Why do you think all of the computers were turned back on? She had tons more information on Lex. She managed to retrieve the body Braniac was inhabiting. ISIS has not been shut down.

That's absolutlely right SV'S. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. At least here in the good ole U.S. of A..

As for hitting your head against brick walls - I don't suggest you do that. :lol: :\ :rolleyes:

On Lana & the clone- its true that Lana never explicitly told Clark anything about the Clone. Does Clark even know about it?
1. Lionel never said anything about 'seeing her enter the car'- only 'She's gone'
2. There was her DNA, etc and her Clone's body I'm sure. Did they ever explain how Lana managed that and not be dead?

So no, we can't bet our most valuable possession on Lana coming clean on the clone. We didn't hear it.

Also, Bizarro did tell her it was Kryptonian and could care less that Lana's kidnapped some comotose woman.

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-15-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by litew8
That's absolutlely right SV'S. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. At least here in the good ole U.S. of A..

As for hitting your head against brick walls - I don't suggest you do that. :lol: :\ :rolleyes:

oh i wouldnt want to hit my head off a wall for your benefit and the sake of convincing you of the truth about lana since your obviously so stubborn in not wanting to let the topic go which is why i havent mentioned certain things in my previous post like adrian being the very 1st living clone not a perfect 1 but the 1st 1 to have survived

that is the only thing am going to say on this as this topic is as old and dead as the clana ship

litew8

12-16-2007, 02:12 AM

^
Then answer me this. Do you KNOW FOR CERTAIN when Adrian was created? The answer you are looking for is NO. You don't know if Adrian and Grant were created before or after Lana. That is unless you believe what Lex Luthor has told you - that the Lana clone was not alive - EVEN THOUGH her eyes SOMEHOW managed to close just before the explosion. They made it a point to SPECIFICALLY show the clones eyes each and EVERY time they showed her. Then, the last time you see her, her eyes closed.
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EVEN STILL, how is it possible that Adrian knows so much about Lex Luthor's cloning project? HUH? MAYBE, that is who Lana Clone was working with!
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Hey, I think I have more than enough reasonable doubt to continue to believe that SOMETHING is going on.

Jephael

12-16-2007, 04:18 AM

Just because you saw her eyes close doesn't mean she was alive. If anything, it sounds more like she came out a life sized Lana doll whose eyelids open and shut when you position her differently.

I'm sure there are plenty of other plot points that might lead you to believe otherwise but it seems pretty obvious to me that TPTB did not think things through with this plotline. Hopefully they'll clear the air when the DVD of season 7 is released.

litew8

12-16-2007, 04:40 AM

^
You see the glass half empty, while I see it half full.
Just because I saw her eyes close DOES mean she was alive.
Her eyes were opened when she was first placed into the SUV.
They didn't close then.
They closed after the door was shut, and right before the explosion.
So the doll eye theory doesn't seem to work.

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Go and read my new theory (analysis) about Lana and Adrian in the Speculation Forum = HERE! (http://kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83325)

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by litew8
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Then answer me this. Do you KNOW FOR CERTAIN when Adrian was created? The answer you are looking for is NO. You don't know if Adrian and Grant were created before or after Lana

for sum1 with such a big theory and analysis regarding the history around this clone story you really have a problem with facts and the time there given by the show

yes we do know its you that cant follow the facts

1: the dead lana clone was in "phantom" and "bizarro" a continuation of the same day

2) grant was shown in "kara" immediately after "bizarro" so this shows that grant and adrian had been created immediately after lex knew the lana clone was dead, it was adrian that survived 1st but only grant that became perfect

how is it possible that Adrian knows so much about Lex Luthor's cloning project?[/B]

i cant believe this needs answered adrian was a test subject in the cloning project he was held back in luthorcorp due to his development failure he wasnt meant to see the outside world unlike grant who is the perfect clone who was given a job at the DP/outside world that is how adrian knew!

he escaped so obviously he knew what he was he just didnt know the purpose of the clones until he heard grant and lex talking about them both being brothers

Hey, I think I have more than enough reasonable doubt to continue to believe that SOMETHING is going on. [/B]

if you say so litew8

litew8

12-16-2007, 03:16 PM

^
You seem to have alot of made up answers SV's!
Adrian was held back in luthorcorp? Really? How did he escape?
Huh, maybe Lana clone helped him huh?
How did he come to realize that his life was a lie? Huh?
Maybe Lana clone told him.
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For each one of your explanations, I have one to counter it.
Because you have no solid evidence of anything you are saying.

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by litew8
^
You seem to have alot of made up answers SV's!
Adrian was held back in luthorcorp? Really? How did he escape?
Huh, maybe Lana clone helped her huh?
How did he come to realize that his life was a lie? Huh?
Maybe Lana clone told him.

theres nothing made up about my posts unlike you im not fixated on wanting the lana clone to still be around, im not looking for ways to involve the lana clone in everything going on, to you lana clone has to be involved somehow either shes told sum1 something, helped sum1, done something, hiding sumwere

im done with this topic theres really no way in trying to convince you by fellow posters and the show so continue with your lana clone theory its you thats wasting your time

For each one of your explanations, I have one to counter it.
Because you have no solid evidence of anything you are saying. [/B]

my explanations and no solid evidence?! its the show explanations and facts or is your eyes and ears only fixated on picking out the parts you want to involve lana clone in

go ahead counter my posts its you thats going to make yourself look more stubborn by continuing this theory by hitting out with a stupid theory for how the lana clones involved

litew8

12-16-2007, 04:04 PM

Then why don't you explain your comments?
Why don't you educate me if you are so right?
I'm more than willing to listen to the facts.
Except you haven't provided any.

All you have provided is your own opinion.
Exactly like me.
If you had solid facts to back up what you're saying -
beleive me, I would appologize to you and say I'm wrong.
But you are unwilling to provide any facts.

So go ahead and be upset.

Jephael

12-16-2007, 04:15 PM

I guess the biggest reason we don't want to see her turn out to be a clone is it seems like a cheap ploy in the end. I mean here we finally have Lana with a very interesting change in personality after the crap Lex put her through, and now we're supposed to suspect it's not even really her? It just seems like a cop out to a lot of us.

That's not to say the Lana clone can't come back. Didn't you read the PM I sent you with the idea I had for the clone to return?

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 04:25 PM

i never said i was right i was providing you with facts facts you have trouble reading in posts + watching and listening to provided by the show itself, a show that apparently needs to educate you in everything that your theory desires

i dont need to explain my comments any furthere than what the show itself has done itself

oh by the way your question about "How did he come to realize that his life was a lie? Huh?"

you must have missed the part were adrian finished grants dictated memories, as lois was hitting out with facts provided to her by adrian that grant knew of as his memories so when grant was dictating to lex about more memories adrian finished off grants speach

adrian knew he was a clone he didnt know his memories were fake, he just didnt know that his purpose from when he was created was to provide lex with family, which was why lex got mad when adrian called himself lexs brother but lexs response was "your not my brother, your a mistake"

so theres a fact provided by the show NOT me

Jephael

12-16-2007, 04:38 PM

Honestly though, what is the corilation between Adrian and Lana? I mean it seems to me like they have nothing to do with one another, so why bring it up?

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Jephael
Honestly though, what is the corilation between Adrian and Lana? I mean it seems to me like they have nothing to do with one another, so why bring it up?

f*ck knows litew8 just cant drop the subject since hes not happy about what the shows telling the audience, he needs to involve the lana clone some how in every situation

and he accuses people i.e me of fabricating facts yet the facts provided to him in posts is stuff shown on the show itself

litew8

12-16-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
i never said i was right i was providing you with facts facts you have trouble reading in posts + watching and listening to provided by the show itself, a show that apparently needs to educate you in everything that your theory desires

i dont need to explain my comments any furthere than what the show itself has done itself

oh by the way your question about "How did he come to realize that his life was a lie? Huh?"

you must have missed the part were adrian finished grants dictated memories, as lois was hitting out with facts provided to her by adrian that grant knew of as his memories so when grant was dictating to lex about more memories adrian finished off grants speach

adrian knew he was a clone he didnt know his memories were fake, he just didnt know that his purpose from when he was created was to provide lex with family, which was why lex got mad when adrian called himself lexs brother but lexs response was "your not my brother, your a mistake"

so theres a fact provided by the show NOT me say W H A T ?
Seems to me, that you'll say just about anything to try and discredit my opinion. You even need to curse. Geeesh...

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by litew8
say W H A T ?
Seems to me, that you'll say just about anything to try and discredit my opinion. You even need to curse. Geeesh...

so saying anything to discredit you means that im lieing about what was televised is that what your saying litew8?

so much for the "If you had solid facts to back up what you're saying -
beleive me, I would appologize to you and say I'm wrong"

its not about discrediting your opinion its stating the fact that the topic of which you keep going on about every ep ended long ago yet you keep it going due to disbelief in the facts

maybe the show didnt answer things easier than it did but when has the show ever done things properly

litew8

12-16-2007, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Jephael
Honestly though, what is the corilation between Adrian and Lana? I mean it seems to me like they have nothing to do with one another, so why bring it up? Honestly though, did you even read the comparison? I mean it seems to me like you didn't even visit the link I provided up-thread.

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
so saying anything to discredit you means that im lieing about what was televised is that what your saying litew8?

so much for the "If you had solid facts to back up what you're saying -
beleive me, I would appologize to you and say I'm wrong"

its not about discrediting your opinion its stating the fact that the topic of which you keep going on about every ep ended long ago yet you keep it going due to disbelief in the facts

maybe the show didnt answer things easier than it did but when has the show ever done things properly The more you talk to me, the more you confuse me. Did I ever call you a lier? NO. So I don't know where you get off saying that.

What facts are you talking about?
The things you said don't mean anything.
Adrian this or Adrian that - how is that related to anything.
I don't see your rationale. Sorry. Seems like you just cobbled together stuff and tried to put meaning to it. Adrian memories to Grant and then Adrian knows Grant childhood remembers. Ugh. Then your very last sentence says the show didn't anwser it and the show never does. Now you're starting to contradict your intial comments. Okay SV's, stop talking to me, please.

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 06:50 PM

litew8 your the 1 that cobbles together details within the show and tries to put meaning to it, you even have a thread about how you think adrian and lana clone were working together

you asked for solid facts i supplied it with a scene i proved i was using solid facts with what was shown on TV yet you cant be mature enough to admit you were wrong

your just easily confused

this is my last post on this thread as im tired of your redundant theories and debates

litew8

12-16-2007, 07:35 PM

Thanks for spamming my thread.

Here are your so-called facts:

- adrian finished grants dictated memories
- lois was hitting out with facts provided to her by adrian
- grant knew of as his memories
- grant was dictating to lex about more memories
- adrian finished off grants speach
- adrian knew he was a clone
- he didnt know his memories were fake
- he just didnt know his purpose
- lex got mad when adrian called himself lexs brother
- lexs response was "your not my brother, your a mistake"

so theres a fact provided by the show NOT me

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These are facts that Adrian was an older clone of Grant.
These facts have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I've said.
Nobody is saying Adrian isn't a clone.
And you want me to say that I'm wrong?
About what? Again, thanks for spamming my thread.
Glad you won't be coming back. Take care.

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 07:45 PM

the only reason i mentioned adrian was that by smallvilles televised facts ADRIAN was the 1st clone to have survived by arugment to your so called lana clone that lives! OK

that was the fricken point to it all

but you had throw in an argument about when adrian was created if he was created before or after lana i answered that

so as i said just above the only reason i mentioned the guy was that he was confirmed to be the very 1st clone to have lived

litew8

12-16-2007, 08:08 PM

How in the world would Adrian know he is the first clone to have lived?
Someone must have told him. Or he was working with someone.

Here is what you said earlier:

1) The dead Lana clone was in "Phantom" and "Bizarro"
2) Grant was shown in "Kara" immediately after "Bizarro"

Do you remember how far back it was when Lana realized that Lex had cloned her? Hint: Sometime before "Phantom". The million dollar question - when was Adrian created. Answer - you don't know. If you don't want to believe that Lana is the FIRST or SECOND successful clone made by Lex, you go ahead and believe that. Or whatever else you want to believe. The fact of the matter is, Lana hasn't seemed to have shared the clone information with anyone - ON SCREEN. That is why things don't seem right to me. For such a HUGE thing to have happened to a person, she sure is keeping it a secret - WHY?

Serynarpc

12-16-2007, 08:21 PM

'Lana DID have a SECRET and I think she has MORE'

Honestly, why are you distracting the thread creator with side arguments, SV?
What are all of your arguments trying to prove? I read the list that litaw compiled so kindly, and can't figure out why we're arguing.

We knew all that from the show. Although personally, I thought that the questions Lois was asking based on Adrian hit a nerve in Lex- he became agitated, his voice rose and so on.

Adrian's arrival just complicated things.

SV'S_immortal_hero

12-16-2007, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Serynarpc
'Lana DID have a SECRET and I think she has MORE'

Honestly, why are you distracting the thread creator with side arguments, SV?
What are all of your arguments trying to prove? I read the list that litaw compiled so kindly, and can't figure out why we're arguing.

We knew all that from the show. Although personally, I thought that the questions Lois was asking based on Adrian hit a nerve in Lex- he became agitated, his voice rose and so on.

Adrian's arrival just complicated things.

i think you will find that i never took this threads current topic about clones in the direction that it was taken in just look at the 1st page before you say im doing the distracting

as for the actual thread topic well if lana has more secrets then shes no different than any other character on the show every1 had/has secrets yet its only lana thats focused on :rolleyes:

chantal

12-17-2007, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by litew8
Not only did Lana NOT tell Clark about finding a body with abnormal attributes and that she was keeping her for analysis - I think she STILL has more secrets.

She told Bizarro (as they were entering the room where the woman was lying), "While you were gone, Casey Brock, a Luthorcorp lab tech..." So Lana specifically said that she didn't find out about her until after Clark had gone to the FOS.

I don't think I still have Fierce on tape, but I thought that in their conversation Clark said something to Lana about her dead body being identified by DNA. Even BDA Clark would have to understand that unless Lana had a secret twin sister somewhere the only way the dead body could be identified as having Lana's DNA is if it was a clone. He wouldn't have to say "I guess you used a clone." Although it would have been interesting if he had said "Where did you get the clone?"

I think the writers didn't have Clark (or the show in general) go into the subject in detail because then Clark would have had to ask if Lana murdered her clone to effect her escape. Based on Clark's knowledge of Luthorcorps' cloning process he would expect a clone to be alive, like Emily.

I wouldn't be altogether surprised if Lana turned out to be a clone, as this is something the writers might do, but it would be a cheap plot contrivance, like the "last season was a dream, Bobby is still alive" plot on Dallas.

litew8

12-18-2007, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by chantal
She told Bizarro (as they were entering the room where the woman was lying), "While you were gone, Casey Brock, a Luthorcorp lab tech..."[b] So Lana specifically said that she didn't find out about her [b]until after Clark had gone to the FOS.

I don't think I still have Fierce on tape, but I thought that in their conversation Clark said something to Lana about her dead body being identified by DNA. Even BDA Clark would have to understand that unless Lana had a secret twin sister somewhere the only way the dead body could be identified as having Lana's DNA is if it was a clone. He wouldn't have to say "I guess you used a clone." Although it would have been interesting if he had said "Where did you get the clone?"

I think the writers didn't have Clark (or the show in general) go into the subject in detail because then Clark would have had to ask if Lana murdered her clone to effect her escape. Based on Clark's knowledge of Luthorcorps' cloning process he would expect a clone to be alive, like Emily.

I wouldn't be altogether surprised if Lana turned out to be a clone, as this is something the writers might do, but it would be a cheap plot contrivance, like the "last season was a dream, Bobby is still alive" plot on Dallas. Yes, but Lana did not willingly come forward with the information pertaining the Lab Tech. BiZaRrO asked her about any information. Otherwise I don't think she would have willingly have said anything about it. The DNA subject, I think I recall Lana's response as something like - "I know." and that was all. If she would have said something to Clark about Lex cloning her, then Clark would have been all over it, giving Clark more reason to not like Lex and giving him another reason to bust in his mansion doors demanding an answer.

Besides, if Lana knew about all of these dealings of Lex's, she could have easily put him away in prison with the help of some of her friends. She didn't have to fake an explosion or run away out of the country. She could have just as easily taken her clone directly to the athorities and said LOOK :eek: ! But she didn't. So instead we have this scenic route of a plot which doesn't make sense (to me and many others) unless there's a cover-up. Lana pretends to kill herself using a clone, steals 10 million dollars, runs away to China, threatens to shoot Lex Luthor in China, then returns to Smallville, IMMEDIATELY works to open up a meteor freak lab, lies to everyone, spies on Lex, threatens the newspaper with deadly force, attempts to kill Lex (AGAIN) - all of that why? Because she decided that it's much easier than taking her dead clone body directly to the authorities after exiting the dam lab. Why would she want to ATTEMPT to kill Lex twice? Why didn't she just do it the first time in China if she was so compelled to do so? Does not add up. I understand it is only a television show - but come on, something just doesn't add up.

kal-el returns

12-23-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Heilige
Why do you think there is a Lana clone?

because in the trailer for the episode FIERCE, it said, "the lana who left, is not who returned" which clearly implies that the current lana is not the real lana, however there must be a much more extensive explanation to it, than the one given in 7-02

SecretzNLyz15

12-23-2007, 06:18 PM

^^That line was more figuratively than literally. Honestly, why would TPTB waste their last season of KK's contract with a clone when the Lana and Clark storyline is still unfinished?

I can't believe that people still argue about a Lana clone. Usually we'd see some sort of hint or clue that something was amiss, like Bizarro's face at the end of Gemini telling us that..oh crap! That's not Clark. We haven't had any clues that suggest that this Lana is a clone.

litew8

12-24-2007, 01:26 AM

^
So you are dismissing the "Fierce" trailer - "THE LANA WHO LEFT IS NOT WHO RETURNED" and where Lana tells Clark that it is really her and she wouldn't do anything to hurt him - all the while giving evil eyes. Then where Lionel confronts her and she snaps back at him with a comment of something like - how could have I done that to you if I was in China. Then proceeds to give psycho eyes. Then she contradicts herself from "Fierce" and actually tries to beat the crap out of Clark! Now we are left with a Lana that has done nearly IDENTICAL things as a clone named ADRIAN! Such similarity! ShOcKiNg!

What story is it that you want told?
It doesn't exist any longer!

SecretzNLyz15

12-24-2007, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by litew8
^
So you are dismissing the "Fierce" trailer - "THE LANA WHO LEFT IS NOT WHO RETURNED" and where Lana tells Clark that it is really her and she wouldn't do anything to hurt him - all the while giving evil eyes. Then where Lionel confronts her and she snaps back at him with a comment of something like - how could have I done that to you if I was in China. Then proceeds to give psycho eyes. Then she contradicts herself from "Fierce" and actually tries to beat the crap out of Clark! Now we are left with a Lana that has done nearly IDENTICAL things as a clone named ADRIAN! Such similarity! ShOcKiNg!

What story is it that you want told?
It doesn't exist any longer!

What the hell are you being so dramatic about? That quote meant that Lana isn't the same Lana that Clark knew from before. Being with Lex changed her, which lead to the whole 'Revenge on Lex..dark side' story arc. This is the real Lana and she has just finished coming back from the brink of the dark side, and back to Clark on the good side.

Evil eyes? Where was there 'evil eyes'? That was guilt in her eyes because she was keeping her revenge plot against Lex from him.

'Psycho eyes'.....to Lionel. Since when was that proof of a clone after what Lionel did to Lana? Lionel isn't Lana's favorite person, so what do you expect? You want them to hug?

Are you talking about 'Wrath'? Lana's anger was in overdrive, so much that she was willing to risk her relationship with Clark to get that revenge. Lana never tried to kill Clark though.

What story do I want told? How about canon? Lana pushing Clark to his destiny and always stays his close confidant for life? Mutual break up decision for the world.

litew8

12-24-2007, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
What the hell are you being so dramatic about? That quote meant that Lana isn't the same Lana that Clark knew from before. Being with Lex changed her, which lead to the whole 'Revenge on Lex..dark side' story arc. This is the real Lana and she has just finished coming back from the brink of the dark side, and back to Clark on the good side.

Evil eyes? Where was there 'evil eyes'? That was guilt in her eyes because she was keeping her revenge plot against Lex from him.

'Psycho eyes'.....to Lionel. Since when was that proof of a clone after what Lionel did to Lana? Lionel isn't Lana's favorite person, so what do you expect? You want them to hug?

Are you talking about 'Wrath'? Lana's anger was in overdrive, so much that she was willing to risk her relationship with Clark to get that revenge. Lana never tried to kill Clark though.

What story do I want told? How about canon? Lana pushing Clark to his destiny and always stays his close confidant for life? Mutual break up decision for the world. I see things in a totally different light. The negitivity is more powerful than the ability to reasonably rationalize her actions.
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Aside from all the speculations, I'd like to wish you (SecretzNLyz15), and anyone else who reads this thread, a Merry Christmas.

xrayvision

12-25-2007, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by litew8
She didn't have to fake an explosion or run away out of the country. She could have just as easily taken her clone directly to the athorities and said LOOK :eek: ! But she didn't. So instead we have this scenic route of a plot which doesn't make sense (to me and many others) unless there's a cover-up. Lana pretends to kill herself using a clone, steals 10 million dollars, runs away to China, threatens to shoot Lex Luthor in China, then returns to Smallville, IMMEDIATELY works to open up a meteor freak lab, lies to everyone, spies on Lex, threatens the newspaper with deadly force, attempts to kill Lex (AGAIN) - all of that why? Because she decided that it's much easier than taking her dead clone body directly to the authorities after exiting the dam lab. Why would she want to ATTEMPT to kill Lex twice? Why didn't she just do it the first time in China if she was so compelled to do so? Does not add up. I understand it is only a television show - but come on, something just doesn't add up.

I would explain all this as really bad writing. It never made sense to me why Lionel forced Lana to marry Lex last season when he could have easily told Clark to keep an eye on Lex and swipe that video, which would have been much easier for him than anyone else.

It never made sense to me why she continued going after Lex after she had a chance to kill him in China. They never knew how to write Lana (or even Clark for that matter), so I would explain this as just another example of horrible Lana-writing. If the Lana we're seeing now is a clone, then the real Lana must be dead. I think that would piss too many people off for them to do that. And if the real Lana was alive then it means that she is getting 0 development this season while the clone is getting it all. I think everything Lana has done this season is their way of showing the effects of her being with Lex. Perhaps she didn't take the clone to the authorities because she was afraid for her life and thought Lex would somehow sidestep the law (like Lionel did so many times) & kill her (especially after what he told her in Prototype---"I don't know what I would do if you betrayed me"). She must have thought by framing Lex and keeping Lionel as Marilyn's prisoner (because she didn't have the guts to kill him) was the best way to stay alive.

My guess to her almost killing Lex in Wrath was because Lex was slowly telling Clark the truth about her stealing the $10 million and so on.

In Gemini we saw Lana taking some responsibility for her actions and trying to stop her previous villianous ways. If that was an evil Lana clone, I don't think she would take steps in a positive direction. The thing though is that Bizarro was convincing her to regress and go after Lex and she's falling for it. If it was the evil Lana clone, I don't think Bizarro would have to try to fake being Clark and could be himself.

So what I'm saying is if things seem confusing and don't make sense, don't try too hard to explain them, because you're probably wasting your time. Last season's plot with Lionel forcing Lana to marry Lex is a perfect example. Why couldn't Lionel get Clark to get the info on the phantom? He trusted him at the end of season 5. Why did they regress that storyline and make Clark not trust him again when he was trying to help? Why couldn't Lionel have spoken to Martian Manhunter and come up with a plan for Martian Manhunter to read Lex's mind & later shapeshift into Lex and find out everything he needed on the phantom? It made no sense.

If they never explained the S vs. 8 thing, the Jor-El AI being so ruthless vs. the more friendly real Jor-El, the ship message in Rosetta, or the fake Kara thing, I wouldn't expect any explanation on Lana's behavior.

I find Clark not questioning Lana about a possible clone or explaining how her DNA was found at the explosion just as ridiculous as Clark not telling Lana about how Lex set up that hostage scenario in Mortal (which he didn't because if he did, Lana would have NEVER spoken to Lex again). So based on what they did in Mortal, my guess is that Clark is being portrayed as stupid & ignorant as Lana was in that episode and how he doesn't even care to ask Lana those questions about the explosion.

litew8

12-25-2007, 04:19 PM

If she's an evil Lana clone, BiZaRrO wouldn't know it.
Look at Adrian, aside from aging rapidly, he was more than willing to kill people. Much like Lana was more than willing to kill Lex (a second time). You even said she was willing to kill Lex for telling Clark the truth about stealing the 10 million dollars. What does that say about her character?

You then said "if things seem confusing and don't make sense, don't try too hard to explain them, because you're probably wasting your time." - yet that is exactly what you just attempted to do xrayvision!

SecretzNLyz15

12-25-2007, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by litew8
I see things in a totally different light. The negitivity is more powerful than the ability to reasonably rationalize her actions.
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Aside from all the speculations, I'd like to wish you (SecretzNLyz15), and anyone else who reads this thread, a Merry Christmas.

Negativity? I thought you said that you were looking at things in a 'half-full' perspective. That's positive, not negative.

Even though you're wrong, Merry Christmas litew8.

xrayvision

12-26-2007, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by litew8
If she's an evil Lana clone, BiZaRrO wouldn't know it.
Look at Adrian, aside from aging rapidly, he was more than willing to kill people. Much like Lana was more than willing to kill Lex (a second time). You even said she was willing to kill Lex for telling Clark the truth about stealing the 10 million dollars. What does that say about her character?

You then said "if things seem confusing and don't make sense, don't try too hard to explain them, because you're probably wasting your time." - yet that is exactly what you just attempted to do xrayvision! Are we both wasting our time?

I guess we are wasting time. It just bothers me how much more interesting this show could be if it would focus on Jor-El more and reveal many more things as to what happened on Krypton and forget about all the more mundane storylines.

I shouldn't try to convince you to stop though. If you enjoy being creative and posting the theories (like I do), then don't stop.

I just still think there's only 1 Lana right now because any more than that would get too messy. If the clone survived the explosion, then maybe Adrian survived the bullet Lex shot at him. But I don't think that happened.

If they did what they should have done and explain why Lex cloned her, then this question would have been put to rest. If Lex was trying to clone Lana for the same purpose as he was trying to clone Julian (to have a Lana that loves him whether or not the original died or left him), then it would make sense that there would be multiple Lana clones as each was a different trial run. But if he only cloned her for spare body parts & organs in case what happened in Lexmas came true, then there would only be one clone. And it would make sense that the clone would be lifeless, like Model 503 was.

I also think if there was more than one Model 503, then Lex would have asked about it back in Bizarro. And if there was a Model 503 that was still alive, I think it would try to kill the real Lana rather than Lex. I don't think a clone would have the same motive to kill Lex as the real Lana would, who was seriously damaged by what he did to her.

litew8

12-26-2007, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by SecretzNLyz15
Negativity? I thought you said that you were looking at things in a 'half-full' perspective. That's positive, not negative.

Even though you're wrong, Merry Christmas litew8. Quite the contrary my dear SecretzNLyz15, the negative is positive to me as it pertains to the show; Lex Luthor's story-line/envolvement. Spinning all of the negativity into positiveness is (imo) not progressive. Thanks for the greetings. :D

Originally posted by xrayvision
I guess we are wasting time... I agree. We are "wasting time" as apposed to wasting our time.

Originally posted by xrayvision
If the Lana we're seeing now is a clone, then the real Lana must be dead. I think that would piss too many people off for them to do that. And if the real Lana was alive then it means that she is getting 0 development this season while the clone is getting it all. This is one thing I've noticed you've said repeatedly. You feel that if this is a clone of Lana that it negates all previous development of the character. I feel this is fundamentally inaccurate - since the clone would possess all of the development the original possessed. The clone is essentially identical to the original so there would be no loss in development. The difference, when boiled down, would be flawed character traits as a result of cloning. So do you see how saying her being a clone would negate the development of the character is inaccurate?

xrayvision

12-26-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by litew8
So do you see how saying her being a clone would negate the development of the character is inaccurate?

Well, the one thing is if the Lana we're seeing now is a clone, her reason to hate Lex would be entirely different than the real Lana's (whether or not the real Lana is dead). The real Lana would hate Lex based on what he did to her while they were married. I would think a clone Lana would hate Lex for the same reasons Adrian hated him--for playing God and treating his life like an experiment. It would feel that everything prior to this season was the life of another Lana and the experiences she had are not the cause of the hatred a clone Lana would have for Lex.

Based on Lana's actions this season, I would say she hates Lex because of what he did to her in their marriage and not because she's a clone and he played God with her life and made her like an experiment. I think behind the scenes, Lana was doing a lot that was never shown in season 6. In Sneeze, they showed how she found out about Lex's security cameras. She obviously did something with them and got familiar with the setup.

litew8

12-27-2007, 10:49 AM

I think if she has the real Lana memories, she'd still have resentment towards Lex from the durration of their marriage. And if Lex convinced her that she (clone) is the real Lana, she doesn't realize she is actually a clone as of yet. Maybe she helped Adrian because she knew that Lex cloned her, but she doesn't quite realize that she's actually the clone. What Lex did to her (baby whatever, cloning) could be comparable when speaking about "playing God". So I'm just saying, there's a very very fine line when you attempt to make distinctions - between what is really going on and what could be going on - based on the overall picture. Regarless, her actions are nearly identical to Adrians - their reasons might be fundamentally different, but their actions are similar.

WickedJenn

12-28-2007, 10:49 AM

I'm still leaning towards it not being a Lana clone despite TPTB saying Lana would be different when she returned, however, I'm not saying anything definite because who knows...

I took her being different to mean that she would have a dark side or something along those lines. So far this seems to be panning out, considering Isis and what happened to Lionel.

Someone may have mentioned this already...I apologize if so...Lana said to Bizarro that she thought about her priorities and decided to stop investigating Lex. Which obviously isn't true what with the body she had at Isis. Even though that's not having cameras on Lex like before, she's still looking into certain aspects. IF Bizarro hadn't said "Let's bring down Lex together." I'm wondering if she ever would have told "Clark" about that at all...

SecretzNLyz15

12-28-2007, 03:17 PM

I just have to say, who says that Lana is still investigating Lex just because she has that scientist that speaks Kryptonian? Maybe she took her to keep her safe from Lex even since Wrath.

WickedJenn

12-28-2007, 06:39 PM

Well if she really did stop investigating all matters where Lex was concerned and was determined to keep it like that, why was she so quick to show Bizzaro what she'd found out? She didn't need prodding at all once he said "Let's take down Lex together." Right after that is when she took Bizarro to Isis.

This is conjecture of course but that's how I interpret it.

kentfamily

01-01-2008, 11:41 AM

I agree with litew8.

There is still so many unresolved theories out there about Lana. I am getting the same vibe that Lana might be a clone.

In Wrath, when Lana confronted Clark ( the big show down)
( that was big joke) at Lex's Lab, she had said," Do you know how many people would still be alive if you took care of Lex a long time ago?"
That had got me thinking that Lana had probably died and she is the clone or something. So I agree with litew8.

Supposedly, the last episodes 14 and 15 should explain everything. I hope so.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

minerva73

01-01-2008, 12:48 PM

I see where all of the problems about Lana not telling Clark about the clone or at least it wasn't on screen, so there's a problem, but lots of stuff isn't shown on screen which is important, but it's worked out eventually.

When Lana talked to Clark in "Fierce", she said that he couldn't tell Chloe that she was alive until she had her name cleared. From "Fierce" until "Lara", Chloe and Lana had no interaction, but in "Lara", Chloe went to Lana when she heard about the Isis Foundation. They didn't show how Chloe reacted to Lana being alive, but it's implied that they already met because they were acting so calmly when they spoke to each other.

I'm guessing that Lana told Clark about the clone and that's how they're able to move their relationship forward. I also believe that Lana did plan on stopping her obsession with Lex, but because "Clark" told her that they should take down Lex together and Clark helped her feel better about herself in "Blue", she possibly just decided to do it since Clark told her to.

Super_Kara_2007

01-02-2008, 02:58 PM

I agree. But I don't believe Clark will help her take down Lex like Bizarro was going to.

litew8

01-02-2008, 06:56 PM

The baby, the cloning, and EVERYTHING else is much TOO big for it to not be shown on screen. If they are progressing the show, ASSUMING the audience is going to simply FORGET about it - it really shows how IGNORANT the producers and writers really are. I for one am not in the business of ASSUMING. If that were the case, we could use our imaginations and make up an entire backstory that has no relevance - and somehow it would be acceptable.

WickedJenn

01-03-2008, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Super_Kara_2007
I agree. But I don't believe Clark will help her take down Lex like Bizarro was going to.

I agree also. We saw how Clark reacted when he found out about Lionel (initially anyway). Clark's not one to do things like that, even after all Lionel and Lex have done to him in the past. He doesn't let revenge consume him. Even after Jonathan's death, as angry as he was, it didn't take him long to realize that it wasn't the way to fix his pain. This is demonstrated when he tried to stop Andrea.

KrissO

01-05-2008, 03:06 PM

I agree with Super_Kara_2007 too. In addition to WickedJenn's comment... Clark has even worked with Lex this season. Wasn't it in Mortal? Surely he had to because of Chloe... but still, they seemed to "get along" in the scenes we saw.

I think after Bizarro / Phantom when Clark said to Martha that he thought he was a big cause to Lex turning out like he's done.... that could also be an indication of the real Clark wouldn't have wanted to bring down Lex.

That being said, the real Clark SHOULD ofcourse help Lana bring Lex down.

I'll give Lex credits for one thing. He's a better liar than Clark. Lana busts Clark on the second if he's lying.
However Lex swears on his (fake) unborn child that he's telling the truth... lol

Super_Kara_2007

01-07-2008, 03:18 PM

The Difference between Clark and Lana is that Clark after all he's been through you don't see him walking around with a Dark Side like Lana. He forgives people and knows how to let things go. Like for Example, after all that Lex did to hurt Lana in their False marriage he could have Lex when he had the chance to in "Phantom" but he didn't because he a good person. Now Lana on the other hand, When you hurt her she won't stop until she's gets her revenge and makes you pay. Like she told Lex in "Wrath" that she would try to take Lex down until it killed her so he couldn't hurt any one else. But Lana was willing to give up her fixation on Lex for Clark But Bizzarro said he had a change of heart and decided to help her take down Lex. Now if Lana really meant what she said to Bizzaro (thinking it was Clark) about giving up her obsession with taking Lex down. that will all be tested when Clark gets back and Bizzarro is gone.