Does Jor-El know?

[Ardiem3]

So does Jor-El know about Bizarro and is his punishment for Clark to have him take over his life, and for how long? How did Bizarro return so easily?

[reobeem]

Even Joe-El isn't that cruel to let the Earth fall into the hands of some Kryptonion reject thing. However what I want to know is why didn't the Martian Manhunter stop Bizarro.

[adromidon]

I think he does how else would he get back and I am thinking that Jor-EL may have helped Bizzaro be able to control his emotions thus allowing him to portray clark better

[Ardiem3]

Mabye by having Bizarro return, Clark will have no choice but to accept his destiny to stop Bizarro and to save the world from Bizarro, and Brainiac. Jor-El knew that he had things holding him back, including people he cared for, she by putting them into grave danger beyond what they have been, hell have no choice but to accept it, therefore, fly and do all of the things he cant now to take on a duplicate of himself that can do those things.

[adromidon]

That could very well be possible

[krypt0man]

Seems to me this is the "punishment" that Jor-El spoke of in the last ep. I was wondering about that all episode. So what was the punishment?? Then a little bell dinged in my head when Clark "flew" in the Daily planet. I wrote it off as a "super jump". Then when B-Clark went all schizo-face at the end... I said "holy schnikey there's the punishment". Jor-El is playing hardball now.

[superhippie2000]

i dont think jor el knew bizarro was there. im guessing he froze clark like grounding him. his pushment was probably to be inactive and have everyone needing to get along without him and if they died it would be clarks fault. I doubt he would send bizarro since bizarro is probably considered wrse then zor el. my guess would be that jor el and manhunter had a talk and manhunter had to take care of some things to protect the earth that clark wasnt doing and since manhunter was no longer guarding bizarro bizarro was able to get free some how. im sure it will all play out eventually. dont know how long bizarro will be around for but seems like he may be around for another episode but who knows.

[dh1031]

Hard to say, though it isn't even Jor-El, just a computer carrying out Jor-El's programming.

[noblue4u]

Originally posted by krypt0man
Seems to me this is the "punishment" that Jor-El spoke of in the last ep. I was wondering about that all episode. So what was the punishment?? Then a little bell dinged in my head when Clark "flew" in the Daily planet. I wrote it off as a "super jump". Then when B-Clark went all schizo-face at the end... I said "holy schnikey there's the punishment". Jor-El is playing hardball now.

"Holy schnikey" ... gotta love Chris Farley.

[krewsaider]

I think Jor-El has nothing to do with Bizarro. He is punishing Clark by just keeping him away from the ones he loves. Bizarro's arrival is just a coincidence.

[Vergon6]

Perhaps Zor-El co-opting the Fortress in Blue briefly somehow allowed Bizarro's eventual return. I was thinking Bizarro could have been one of Zor-El's experiments.

[adromidon]

Yeah it is possible that he was

[chantal]

Do you think Clark is just in "cold storage" or is he getting some Kryptonian knowledge downloaded into his block head?

[Clint]

Was it ever said what MM did with Bizarro? With his comment about time being different i think he was in the Phantom Zone. If so he may have escaped the same way Clark did because he has Clark's DNA. This means it's feasible that Bizarro can also control the FoS and set a trap for Clark without Jor-El knowing.

[chantal]

If the comment about Bizarro being on "the sunny side of Mars" was something close to the truth, then Zor El's eclipse, if it blocked the sun from Mars, too, could have released Bizarro.

[Superboy2]

I was hoping Bizarro would have joined Zor-El or released Zod.

[ginnyfan]

This is a good question. If Jor-el did know, it seems that he would release Clark from his training to go fight Bizarro. Someone else suggested that Bizarro is the reason Clark is frozen in that pillar. If that's the case perhaps Bizarro did something to the fortress so that it isn't working properly.

[ClareKent]

The fortress looked darker to me, so if Bizarro did that to Clark maybe he disable the FOS as well. But if it did't then I guess Jor-El knows about him but it haven't release Clark 'cause his "lesson" hasn't finish yet.

[adromidon]

Are you trying to say he is training while being frozen

[superhippie2000]

i dont think that is his training. he is grounded im guessing. trianing consists of swirly vortex of movie clips from the superman movies lol.

[Dri-Sa]

no he cannot control the fortress,
he has his DNA, but it isn't REALLY Clark, it's a Phantom that can take DNA and mesh it with his.

[adromidon]

lol maybe this will be the message Clark needs to become the man Superman is

[Dri-Sa]

Originally posted by ClareKent
The fortress looked darker to me, so if Bizarro did that to Clark maybe he disable the FOS as well. But if it did't then I guess Jor-El knows about him but it haven't release Clark 'cause his "lesson" hasn't finish yet.
It was Dark because it was Night. lol
but yea i think the fortress might have shut itself down.

[adromidon]

yes it probably shut itself down

[Vergon6]

Originally posted by chantal
If the comment about Bizarro being on "the sunny side of Mars" was something close to the truth, then Zor El's eclipse, if it blocked the sun from Mars, too, could have released Bizarro.
Right, and it may not invalidate my theory that its possible that Bizarro is one of Zor-El's experiments. Perhaps the eclipse was intended to both somehow destroy the human race as he claimed it was, and to allow for Bizarro to come back and be his minion.

Also, blacking out the sun would mean that the sunlight couldn't affect Bizarro on earth. Meaning he could basically wreak havoc on Earth, killing anyone he wanted without being weakened by sunlight. Thus, assisting Zor-El in ensuring the destruction of the human race. And perhaps that the eclipse was just a means to end. Since it didn't make much sense that blacking out the sun would result in all humans dying.

Nah, it's too far-fetched ;)

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

The eclispe when Zor-El was concering Earth, then Bizarro came back.

[adromidon]

yeah that had to be it that is the only thing I can think of that would explain it

[Alexander III]

Martian Doghunter is sooo useless, how could Bizarro get away???

[adromidon]

lol he was taking a dump when he escaped

[limi]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bizarro was created by Zor-El, and it doesn't seem to far fetched that the eclipse didn't affect Earth alone. Mars could've been somewhere behind Earth at the time.
When I saw Clark frozen in the fortress my first thought was that Jor-El decided to keep him there untill everyone he cares so much about is long gone and therefore no longer able to distract him. Whatever Jor-El intended to do, however, I don't think he intended to allow Bizarro to take over Clark's life. Bizarro's bound to hurt people in the end, and Jor-El was never about random killings of humans.

[adromidon]

yeah it would not make sense

if he released Bizzaro

[Superboy2]

Is it still possible that Zod, Zor-El, Braniac and Bizarro were all working together at one point?

[aqgalaxy]

Well Bizarro is just a Phantom experiment gone wrong, so Zor-El could have been the reason because of SCIENCE!

[adromidon]

true but wasn't it Jor-El that closed him off in the PZ when he discovered that he waqs flawed

[Superboy2]

Yeah and maybe Bizarro knows who Kal-El is and that it was his father who sent him there. Maybe Jor-El always had 2 clean up Zor-El's mess. Could be another reason why they didn't get along. I'd like 2 know if there was anything besides Lara that they fought over.

[kal-el_of_krypton888]

My theory is as follows.

We do not know whether Bizarro or Jor-el or something else put Clark in stasis in the FOS. Yes, Jor-el did say his actions could not go unpunished, but it wasn't clear what that punishment would be. Definitely, Clark being frozen and Jor-el's declaration of punishment are correlated because they happened close together in time, but they are *not* necessarily causally related. We don't know enough to say that. Maybe Bizarro did it. Maybe something/someone else did it. I think it's equally likely that Jor-el froze Clark or that Bizarro got the drop on him in the FOS. I think an unknown force is less likely but could be really interesting.

So does Jor-el know Clark is frozen? He seems to know when real live people are in the FOS like Martha, Clark, Chloe, etc. But Jor-el and the FOS may not be able to distinguish between frozen Clark and nothing there at all. It's tough to say. The FOS's capabilities are not well explained. So it's possible, Bizarro did it and the FOS doesn't know the difference. It's also possible Bizarro or Zor-el's crystal tampered with the FOS.

About Martian Manhunter, he said he was "watching at a distance." It's totally unknown where he is or what he does in his off screen time or what he'll do with the return of Bizarro. My impression is MM lives out his life and doesn't concern himself with the daily minutia of Clark's life or his smaller trials and tribulations. He only came in because of the phantoms because Clark was in danger. That said, Clark almost single handedly took out Bizarro already, so I don't think MM will have to intervene for the fight again.

The two big related questions I have are. How will Clark get unfrozen? How did Bizarro return?

There are a lot of possibilities for Clark getting unfrozen: Jor-el, MM, Chloe, Kara even, something else.

Other people mentioned, and I think it's likely the eclipse had something to do with Bizarro's return. Makes good sense. Sunlight weakens Biz. Sunlight is gone; Biz. regains consciousness kind of like Clark would get his strength back if kryptonite were removed. I'm guessing MM didn't foresee a solar eclipse like that. Who would?

[Billy Jor-El]

I had been wondering if the frozen prison was more of an attempt to keep Clark there for decades, not aging one bit, then when Jor-El finally releases him, all the people he loved and cared about would be gone, no need for him to dwell on mere mortals, and to get on with his destiny.

[adromidon]

Originally posted by kal-el_of_krypton888
My theory is as follows.

We do not know whether Bizarro or Jor-el or something else put Clark in stasis in the FOS. Yes, Jor-el did say his actions could not go unpunished, but it wasn't clear what that punishment would be. Definitely, Clark being frozen and Jor-el's declaration of punishment are correlated because they happened close together in time, but they are *not* necessarily causally related. We don't know enough to say that. Maybe Bizarro did it. Maybe something/someone else did it. I think it's equally likely that Jor-el froze Clark or that Bizarro got the drop on him in the FOS. I think an unknown force is less likely but could be really interesting.

So does Jor-el know Clark is frozen? He seems to know when real live people are in the FOS like Martha, Clark, Chloe, etc. But Jor-el and the FOS may not be able to distinguish between frozen Clark and nothing there at all. It's tough to say. The FOS's capabilities are not well explained. So it's possible, Bizarro did it and the FOS doesn't know the difference. It's also possible Bizarro or Zor-el's crystal tampered with the FOS.

About Martian Manhunter, he said he was "watching at a distance." It's totally unknown where he is or what he does in his off screen time or what he'll do with the return of Bizarro. My impression is MM lives out his life and doesn't concern himself with the daily minutia of Clark's life or his smaller trials and tribulations. He only came in because of the phantoms because Clark was in danger. That said, Clark almost single handedly took out Bizarro already, so I don't think MM will have to intervene for the fight again.

The two big related questions I have are. How will Clark get unfrozen? How did Bizarro return?

There are a lot of possibilities for Clark getting unfrozen: Jor-el, MM, Chloe, Kara even, something else.

Other people mentioned, and I think it's likely the eclipse had something to do with Bizarro's return. Makes good sense. Sunlight weakens Biz. Sunlight is gone; Biz. regains consciousness kind of like Clark would get his strength back if kryptonite were removed. I'm guessing MM didn't foresee a solar eclipse like that. Who would? My guess is MM is going to release him since Chloe has no real means to do so and Kara is awal with no memory and from what we saw at the end of blue apparently at present no powers


Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
I had been wondering if the frozen prison was more of an attempt to keep Clark there for decades, not aging one bit, then when Jor-El finally releases him, all the people he loved and cared about would be gone, no need for him to dwell on mere mortals, and to get on with his destiny. That does make sense but Jor-El allways had this sense of urgency and need associated with his attempts to get Clark to train so I think it may be that he felt Clark's skill would be needed sooner then later

[rabbitsrabie]

but if the Martian Manhunter was gonna free clark wouldn't we know about Phil Morris guest starring already??

[adromidon]

Originally posted by rabbitsrabie
but if the Martian Manhunter was gonna free clark wouldn't we know about Phil Morris guest starring already?? Possibly but it may be one of those things where they release him off camera

[rabbitsrabie]

That would just suck, hopefully they'll suprise us with Martian Manhunter but who knows.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Does Jor-El know?

YES. I believe Jor-El or what ever computer representing to be Jor-El's essence knows. I am surprised Lionel does not know as he is Jor-El's vessel. Hey Martian Manhunger!......Way to look over Clark. good job greenie!

[adromidon]

lol

Lionel first off is the vessel yes but the way I understand it he does not have a real time link to Jor-El in other words he only knows what Jor-El knew last time he was used by Jor-El.

Now Who is to say that Jor-El could not use Lionel again to go after Bizzaro? Would that just suck. lol Super Lionel against a Clark Clone

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
YES. I believe Jor-El or what ever computer representing to be Jor-El's essence knows. I am surprised Lionel does not know as he is Jor-El's vessel. Hey Martian Manhunger!......Way to look over Clark. good job greenie!

I would not think that MM would get in the way of Jor-el disciplining his son. Clark isn't in need of protection at this time.

This is simply punishment and Jor-el will release Clark when he's good and ready.

I think Bizarro is here because kryptonite came near him. Not because of the sun issue, as Bizarro was injured and the lack of sun wouldn't be enough to repair him in order for his return, it had to be kryptonite.

I really think Bizarro and Brainiac will face off and Clark being out of the way is probably good for him. After all, if only one continues between the 2 of them, then Clark has one less to face upon his return.

[adromidon]

Or maybe Jor-El will see that as the ultimate test for Clark and wait till the two get at each other's throat then release him to stop them both

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by Vergon6
Perhaps Zor-El co-opting the Fortress in Blue briefly somehow allowed Bizarro's eventual return. I was thinking Bizarro could have been one of Zor-El's experiments.

That's an interesting idea. Also, I've been thinking that maybe Bizarro is controlling the Fortress, and causing Clark to be frozen. If Bizarro is Kryptonian, he may understand Kryptonian technology (i.e. the crystals) better than Clark. He could have manipulated the FOS somehow. Bizarro would have Clark's memories of the FOS...if I were Bizarro, that's the first place I'd go to defeat Clark. Would Jor El even know the difference between Bizarro and Clark? Ha ha...maybe Jor El gave Clark's training to Bizarro! Ha ha!


[i]Other people mentioned, and I think it's likely the eclipse had something to do with Bizarro's return. Makes good sense. Sunlight weakens Biz. Sunlight is gone; Biz. regains consciousness kind of like Clark would get his strength back if kryptonite were removed. I'm guessing MM didn't foresee a solar eclipse like that. Who would? [/B]

Oooh. I didn't even think of that. That's good!