Spoken Kryptonian language?

[HowardFilms]

Is this the first case of spoken Kryptonian? It's the first I've ever heard it vocally. :eek:

[i luv tom welling]

Yeah, I can't recall ever hearing verbal Kryptonian. They usually just have British accents :p

[HowardFilms]

That's pretty intense. I mean, never in movies, never in the cartoon, never on the shows, to my knowledge. Granted she was barely whispering, but if it's the case, that's kinda a big deal as far as mythos goes.

[reobeem]

It was an interesting development. I wonder if it'll be used more.

[erikamichelle614]

clark has never heard kryptonian. how does he know what it would sound like?

[KAL-EL_3]

Lionel has spoken kryptonian before. Clark has had some training aswell in the premeire of season 5. that may have something to do with it

[dru-zod2501]

spoken kryptonian has never been heard on film before, this is a big moment in superman history that no one will remember after this

[adromidon]

he also could have been downloaded with it in the kawatchi cave when he learned how to read it

[biggkoz]

Originally posted by reobeem
It was an interesting development. I wonder if it'll be used more.

It'll be forgotten by next episode haha

[superspider02]

Yea it was cool to have kryptonian language spoken for first time.

[adromidon]

yeah what next Kryptonian Sign Language ?

[jazzylg]

Truly a historic episode, and a thank you to all of us fans that have supported the show with 'pencils'(I ordered mine!).

[adromidon]

Yes I loved this episode

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

It was interesting though, maybe it's something they used to speak but maybe now they only speak English.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Originally posted by erikamichelle614
clark has never heard kryptonian. how does he know what it would sound like? That wasn't Clark.

That's pretty cool that they spoke Kryptonian.

[msleggie]

Now that I think about it, there were so many signs through out the episode that was screaming that it wasn't Clark. But I didn't catch on, of course the real Clark would have been completely clueless, he most likely wouldn't have caught on to that lady speaking Kryptonian, less know right it out like Bizzaro did.

[Kal26]

^^^^^^

I almost agreed with you, until the last part. Clark would have been great. I had my suspicions about clark through the episode, but was still rather surprised at the end. I knew that the bomber/clone was julian though. I freakin' knew it!

Smallville goes down in history then on the spoken kryptonian. That's sweet!

[ginnyfan]

The spoken Kryptonian was very cool. I thought of the comments I'd read after "Lara." LOL!

[ClareKent]

Too bad we actually didn't hearing much kryptonian, I think it'd be great if we ever get to see Clark speaking it with someone else :D

[HalJordan4184]

Does anyone else think it's a bit odd however, that a lone kryptonian word, Clark can read no problem, and he can write the written language, and recognize the spoken one, yet he still needs Chole to tranlate it for him?

[Theshadow129x]

^ yea that is jacked up and doesn't make sense. then again this is smallville. nothing makes sense.

[jesustlife]

Originally posted by erikamichelle614
clark has never heard kryptonian. how does he know what it would sound like?
This wasn't Clark. Is a phantom with Clark's memories. The real criminal, phantom, must have heard the language in Krypton. Funny how they prefer english in Krypton.

[ClarksNextGF]

It was not historic .. In the comics kryptonian was a spoken language. I realize that Smallville is very different from the comics, but this is not any type "event" as far as the mythos goes.

Actually - the way I learned kryptonian is from a version of the Kara story. When Superman found her ship - at the bottom of a lake - she could only speak kryptonian, and it took her a couple days to learn english.

[HowardFilms]

Uh, ClarksNextGF, we know that, and have said that. It's not new for Kryptonians to talk, the landmark is that in Superman Media, this is the first time we've ever HEARD kryptonian, as opposed to READING it.

[DaveMustaine]

Why i didn't notice that? could someone send me alink gor that moment?

[adromidon]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Does anyone else think it's a bit odd however, that a lone kryptonian word, Clark can read no problem, and he can write the written language, and recognize the spoken one, yet he still needs Chole to tranlate it for him? He can translate it fine what he did not understand was that when he translated it , it was just numbers like a computer error so he needed CHloe to decifer the translated version into english not computer giberish

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by erikamichelle614
clark has never heard kryptonian. how does he know what it would sound like?

Well, Bizarro would know Kryptonian, because he was created on Krypton. I have no idea if Clark knows spoken Kryptonian, although I would bet he does, since he knows the written language. It would be hard to write without knowing the words you are trying to say. :)

I have wondered about the language a few times. For instance, when Kara said, "It's your language, I just studied it." I thought it would have been cool if they'd had Lara and Kara and Zor El speaking in Kryptonian when it was just the three of them. There could have been subtitles. But I guess not everyone likes subtitles,so maybe that's why they didn't do it.

[Dri-Sa]

haha it was NOT Clark, did everybody forget the ending??

personally i knew the whole time, you can tell by his voice, and his attitude.

[adromidon]

yeah that may have something to do with it

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by msleggie
Now that I think about it, there were so many signs through out the episode that was screaming that it wasn't Clark. But I didn't catch on, of course the real Clark would have been completely clueless, he most likely wouldn't have caught on to that lady speaking Kryptonian, less know right it out like Bizzaro did.

I agree. I don't think the real Clark would have been able to write down what she was saying.

[xrayvision]

I was very excited when I heard that technician speaking. I was certain it was Kryptonian and was glad because it's the first time I ever heard it spoken on a live action series. I just wish it was louder. I could barely hear what she was saying (not like I would understand it anyway).

Bizarro definitely knows how to transcribe Kryptonian ramblings into Kryptonian letters. I wonder if Clark also knows how to do that.

One thing that confused me was how Bizarro IIRC had to put those symbols into a computer to find out what they meant. Was that an act (just like him pretending to be Clark), or was it a case of unscrambling those symbols as it was in the episode Oracle?

[adromidon]

I think it was mentioned int he episode he can read the symbols but the giberish they translate to made no sense

[ClarksNextGF]

Originally posted by HowardFilms
Uh, ClarksNextGF, we know that, and have said that. It's not new for Kryptonians to talk, the landmark is that in Superman Media, this is the first time we've ever HEARD kryptonian, as opposed to READING it.

And you still haven't HEARD it .. she wasn't speaking - she was just spouting giberish. That's why they needed Chloe to translate it. If she had been speaking, there would have been no reason for the translation.

[DarkseidNow]

Here's what confuses me. When Clark got uploaded with Kryptonian info during Season 2, what was the extent? Does he only know how to read it or can he understand it like Bizarro?

Obviously Bizarro would know everything Clark knows up until the Season 6 finale, hence why he knew it was Kryptonian.

[red_cape_7]

this was one big tip-off that it wasn't clark, at least for me. i immediately thought "how the hell would clark know how to translate spoken kryptonian to written kryptonian? wait a sec, how would he even recognize spoken kryptonian?"

[83kaL]

Has it ever appear in the comics in any way? I don't think so lol... I thoug Kryptonians spoke english but had signs instead of an alphabet...

[Billy Jor-El]

Gee, and all the while I thought she was speaking Klingon :p

A nice addition to the mythos, we hope AlMiles uses it again to some greater purpose...

In Hogan's Heroes how come all the Germans spoke to each other in English with German accents, eh????

I love seeing the old "Combat!" war series in which the French spoke French, Germans spoke German, no subtitles....added a true sense of realism to it.

OK, gotta go, the blood wine and gagh is ready.....

[DarkseidNow]

Originally posted by 83kaL
Has it ever appear in the comics in any way? I don't think so lol... I thoug Kryptonians spoke english but had signs instead of an alphabet...

Yes, Kryptonian (or Kryptonese as its called in the Superman comics) has appeared in the comic canon.

Superman can speak it fluently and it appears in its symbol form in the speech bubbles whenever he speaks it. The current Supergirl in the comics (Kara Zor-El) could only speak Kryptonese when she first came on Earth and that as well appeared in its symbol form.

[clana4everfan2]

Yeah when she started speaking in Kryptonian a big give away that it wasn't Clark but Bizarro was him writing in Kryptonian. Clark doesn't know the exact translation of the language as far as we are all aware. And the only one that can teach him in Kara or Jor-EL. Don't forget Kara was the only one who could open her ship since she could hear it's frequency.

[Kal26]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I was very excited when I heard that technician speaking. I was certain it was Kryptonian and was glad because it's the first time I ever heard it spoken on a live action series. I just wish it was louder. I could barely hear what she was saying (not like I would understand it anyway).

Bizarro definitely knows how to transcribe Kryptonian ramblings into Kryptonian letters. I wonder if Clark also knows how to do that.

One thing that confused me was how Bizarro IIRC had to put those symbols into a computer to find out what they meant. Was that an act (just like him pretending to be Clark), or was it a case of unscrambling those symbols as it was in the episode Oracle?

Chloe said it was like a computer code. So, I figure bizzaro was writing down the numbers, but didn't understand what the sequences meant. Chloe put all the numbers that he had translated from kryptonian into the computer to reviel the code. You know, like 00100100100111000, or some crap. He would know that 0010011000 was being said, but he would have no idea what it meant, until the code was figured out by a computer.

[adromidon]

Yes that is exactly what I was trying to get at but could not find the words

[Radioflyer]

Originally posted by red_cape_7
this was one big tip-off that it wasn't clark, at least for me. i immediately thought "how the hell would clark know how to translate spoken kryptonian to written kryptonian? wait a sec, how would he even recognize spoken kryptonian?" When Clark first put the Key in the cave wall he got the kryptonian language. He shouldn't have any trouble understanding spoken Kryptonian. One would think that download would have encompassed more than just the meaning of the glyphs on the cave wall.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by adromidon
he also could have been downloaded with it in the kawatchi cave when he learned how to read it

Which he magically doesn't know how to read anymore. :\

[Radioflyer]

Originally posted by adromidon
I think it was mentioned int he episode he can read the symbols but the giberish they translate to made no sense I believe you're correct. Those were Kryptonian words
As the Bizarro Clark was writing them using the K alphabet...
First Word: D U S T The second one began with a M.


Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Which he magically doesn't know how to read anymore. :\ You can thank the short memories of TPTB.


Originally posted by Mr. Clark Kent27
It was interesting though, maybe it's something they used to speak but maybe now they only speak English. Yeah they ( TPTB ) missed a great opportunity with "Nam-Ek" and "Aethyr."

[adromidon]

You know this is off topic a little but one thing I noticed. is why is it that 98% of all Kryptonian males raised on Krypton speak with a British Accent. I know the actors are british but still would it make sense to say they were all british? Also inconsistencies lie there as well such as when Clark had that flash back of Jor-El coming to earth. He did not speak with a British accent wich makes you think is that something they just do because they a mimicing Humans or just an over looks flaw in continuity.


Originally posted by Radioflyer
I believe you're correct. Those were Kryptonian words
As the Bizarro Clark was writing them using the K alphabet...
First Word: D U S T The second one began with a M.

You can thank the short memories of TPTB.

Yeah they ( TPTB ) missed a great opportunity with "Nam-Ek" and "Aethyr." You can read Kryptonian? lol How did you know what they translated to.

And my original point was Clark can read Kryptonian just fine but as mentioned a few post above the translation in SV anyway was supposed to be like a Hexidecimal error similar to what your computer gives when your get the BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) it is safe to say that Bizzaro does not understand this as well thus he needs Chloe to turn Hexidecimal code into something useful to non computer nerds.

[dru-zod2501]

Originally posted by adromidon
You can read Kryptonian? lol How did you know what they translated to. just google kryptonian alphabet

[adromidon]

wow just wow I did not know they actually made the language I thought it was just a made up thing

[Kal26]

You can actually find it in the comics too. I know some of it was in the latest supergirl run.

[DarkseidNow]

http://www.inventurous.net/kryptonian/index.php

This website has detailed info om the Kryptonian dialect. Its quite impressive!

[adromidon]

If you say so I understood maybe a fraction of what that guy was talking about most of it was way over my head he writes like a well educated scholar and that is hard for me to grasp

[berniepooh]

Remember Bizarro was a failed Kryptonian experiment. HE would speak Kryptonian, or know it when he hears it. Clark could very well be clueless about the spoken Kryptonian language.

[Kal26]

I guess Smallville wasn't the first time kryptonian was spoken in a movie or on tv. Maybe a in a Superman tv show, or movie, but it has been spoken on tv before. It's in an episode of Yes Dear that aired long before season seven of Smallville. One of the characters said "thank you" in kryptonian.

[dru-zod2501]

Originally posted by Kal26
I guess Smallville wasn't the first time kryptonian was spoken in a movie or on tv. Maybe a in a Superman tv show, or movie, but it has been spoken on tv before. It's in an episode of Yes Dear that aired long before season seven of Smallville. One of the characters said "thank you" in kryptonian.
wait... are you seriously taking something from a show entirely unrelated to the Superman mythos or DC, over this?!?!

seriously?... I say you should rethink that

[Kal26]

Are you really going to deny facts because the show isn't related to superman? What difference does it make what the show is, or is not about. The question is, has the kryptonian language been spoken before? That includes any form of media. I'm just pointing out that the language has been spoken on television before. Not sure what's wrong with that. I didn't say the show was better than smallville, or even that it was spoken correctly, but it was spoken. It was in an episode in which the main character, who works for warner bros., takes his dad to a comic book convention. His dad dresses as superman, and speaks kryptonian.

The above kind of makes me laugh. I mean. We're talking about if the kryptonian language has ever been spoken on tv, or in movies right? I'm pointing out that it has. Doesn't matter what it was in to me. Just that if I say it was first spoken on smallville, I want to be right. If I said that now, I'd be wrong, because it has been spoken before. I'm not choosing one thing over the other. I'm choosing what's real, over what I want to be real. I would love for smallville to be the first show to use the kryptonian language, but it's not. Plain and simple. Did yes dear use the language correctly? That's a good question. I would hope that any show using something like that would get it right, or at least do enough research to be close, but who knows. I'm just pointing out that it was done.


Originally posted by HowardFilms
Is this the first case of spoken Kryptonian? It's the first I've ever heard it vocally. :eek:

See, they didn't say, was this the first time in something superman related. They said, is this the first case. I reply, no, it's not. I thought it was, but I was wrong, apparently.

[berniepooh]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kal26
[B] I'm not choosing one thing over the other. I'm choosing what's real, over what I want to be real. I would love for smallville to be the first show to use the kryptonian language, but it's not. Plain and simple.

OK. I'm really glad to see anyone passionate about any art form, and ART is a real force to enrich our lives, but the subject matter in art is NOT REAL. At best, art is a reflection of life but no one should mistake it for reality. Pull back a bit people, enjoy what the artists have created for you, but don't go to bed thinking any of it IS real.

PS I hope everyone is having a great holiday season!

[Kal26]

Originally posted by berniepooh
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kal26
[B] I'm not choosing one thing over the other. I'm choosing what's real, over what I want to be real. I would love for smallville to be the first show to use the kryptonian language, but it's not. Plain and simple.

OK. I'm really glad to see anyone passionate about any art form, and ART is a real force to enrich our lives, but the subject matter in art is NOT REAL. At best, art is a reflection of life but no one should mistake it for reality. Pull back a bit people, enjoy what the artists have created for you, but don't go to bed thinking any of it IS real.

PS I hope everyone is having a great holiday season!

Um, I think, your missing my point. I'm not talking about the show being real, or the characters, or the language, or anything like that. I'm saying the language has been spoken on a show before it was spoken on smallville. That's real. The show, was real. They really spoke kryptonian on a tv show. It really happened. Therefore, it's real. The language came out of the mouths of real people.

Now, what I was pointing out was that in reality smallville was not the first show that had people speaking a predetermined kryptonian language. Therefore, to say that smallville was the first to do it, would be false. In REALITY it had already been done. See what I'm getting at. I'm not trying to make art real. I'm just saying that the language has come out of the mouths of real people, and was on a real network tv show, before it was on smallville.

[Radioflyer]

You know this is off topic a little but one thing I noticed. is why is it that 98% of all Kryptonian males raised on Krypton speak with a British Accent. I know the actors are british but still would it make sense to say they were all british? Also inconsistencies lie there as well such as when Clark had that flash back of Jor-El coming to earth. He did not speak with a British accent wich makes you think is that something they just do because they a mimicing Humans or just an over looks flaw in continuity.

You can read Kryptonian? lol How did you know what they translated to.

And my original point was Clark can read Kryptonian just fine but as mentioned a few post above the translation in SV anyway was supposed to be like a Hexidecimal error similar to what your computer gives when your get the BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) it is safe to say that Bizzaro does not understand this as well thus he needs Chloe to turn Hexidecimal code into something useful to non computer nerds.
No reason, just the first movie was filmed in England and TPTB were Brits. How to explain it away,that cant be easy. Lets see, try this... When you hear them speaking in English, they are really speaking in Kryptonian. When you hear a British accent you're really hearing the translator's malfunction.

[adromidon]

No reason, just the first movie was filmed in England and TPTB were Brits. How to explain it away,that cant be easy. Lets see, try this... When you hear them speaking in English, they are really speaking in Kryptonian. When you hear a British accent you're really hearing the translator's malfunction.Yes but most of the time the women do not speak with one !

[Radioflyer]

Yes but most of the time the women do not speak with one !I cant help there.

[megsy]

I just so want Clark to speak it.... how hot would that be!

[Yasise]

Does anyone else think it's a bit odd however, that a lone kryptonian word, Clark can read no problem, and he can write the written language, and recognize the spoken one, yet he still needs Chole to tranlate it for him?

Yes exactly, that's what I wondered about, too? That was so weird!

[adromidon]

Ur missing a key point here

It is not the translation he needed help with it is deciphering what it translated into

You can read and write english but can you decifer Hexidecimal code? Most people can't however a computer guru can. This was the same for CLark the code he got from the translation was a string of numbers that made no sense to him in or out of Kryptonian.

Chloe had to decipher the number pattern not the language.

[Yasise]

Ur missing a key point here

It is not the translation he needed help with it is deciphering what it translated into

You can read and write english but can you decifer Hexidecimal code? Most people can't however a computer guru can. This was the same for CLark the code he got from the translation was a string of numbers that made no sense to him in or out of Kryptonian.

Chloe had to decipher the number pattern not the language.

But as far as I remember, he wrote down kryptonian symbols. Where was the hexidecimal code in them??
Sorry, I don't get it.

[adromidon]

when he translated them he said they appear to be a sequence of numbers that keep repeating themselves when he told Chloe

[Yasise]

when he translated them he said they appear to be a sequence of numbers that keep repeating themselves when he told Chloe

aha, numbers written in kryptonian! o.k., now I understand, thank you for your explanation :)

[adromidon]

yeah he wrote them down as she said them in his native language then translated them to english for Chloe to decode