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shy175223
12-12-2007, 06:32 AM
say it right here on this thread.











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Dri-Sa
12-12-2007, 10:42 AM
it is the best, lol
Definatley my favorite episode of the season

skylar
12-12-2007, 11:11 AM
How can you say best episode it hasn't been shown yet? Dri-Sa

Lostfan588
12-12-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Dri-Sa
it is the best, lol
Definatley my favorite episode of the season

Apparently we have a psychic! :lol:

STFanatic
12-12-2007, 12:20 PM
Interesting how people vote before it airs even in Canada ;)

superhippie2000
12-13-2007, 06:18 AM
me be the stupid person i am i read some of the canadian posts and this really does sound like a good episode.

BRAISKI
12-13-2007, 08:13 AM
I voted 10, it was really that good. Esp at the end! WOW!

Mo33
12-13-2007, 11:26 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, mind you we have all been craving Smallville for like 5 weeks now so anything was good. I am not the one who picks apart the complete episode for its faults, I just watch smallville because I love the show. The ending of this episode is Amazing you all are going to love it, some might see it coming though!!!! Oh and I give it a 10!!!

Jaded Wolf
12-13-2007, 07:03 PM
I had to give this one a 9 simply because of the ending. I was not expecting that one. I noticed Clark was behaving a little differently when he returned but I did not expect him to be Bizarro.

I almost turned this episode off simply because they were not revealing what happened to Clark in the FOS. I'm glad I stuck around until the end because they showed exactly what happened. Is Clark imprisoned by Jor-El?

The only gripe I have really is Lois and Gabriel. Thank goodness Gabriel broke it off but seriously, they've turned Lois Lane into a harlot on this show. What's her track record right now?

Anyways, good episode. Be a long wait until the next newest one...

DreadShamus
12-13-2007, 07:05 PM
It got a seven instead of a five because of the ending.

Some day we will get an honest vote without the people who give it tens no matter what.

Right. LOL

STFanatic
12-13-2007, 07:05 PM
I guess it took him a while to hike over to the dark side of Mars :p

SeaNymph
12-13-2007, 07:05 PM
10 just for the ending.

Krypton935
12-13-2007, 07:08 PM
where the heck is 20 gazillion!!! that was amazing edge of my seat w/ chloe and the end!!! can't stop screaming swear words!!!!!

warriorrenegade
12-13-2007, 07:08 PM
Loved it for the simple fact it answered questions from the previous episode and wasn't drawn out the remainder of the season. And it posed new ones Brainiac's return? and The reveal of BizClark...All good stuff in my book. Won't give it a rating seeing that I haven't watched the entire episode....Yet but from what I've stated thus far...I 'reckon the rating will be pretty high.

Markd329
12-13-2007, 07:08 PM
The ending was what did it for me. I knew Clark was acting a little too forceful and direct and now I know why! IT WASN't THE REAL CLARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what is Bizzaro and Braniac going to be up to, assuming if they will meet?

CallMeClark
12-13-2007, 07:09 PM
10! The reveals were great! This did feel like a season finale!

monel49
12-13-2007, 07:14 PM
This year, you just have to be patient till the end. Thought it was a mediocre major story with Chloe and Lois and a pretty good back story with Lana and Clark. Should have remembered the title. Double Julian and Double Clark--pretty cool. Welling was great as Bizarro--I knew something was wrong but just thought it was going to be a downer of an ep. Then I thought Clark might be Milton Fine--then the best! Sure to put a kink into Lana's recovery from her Lex obsession. Gave the episode a 9--very good.

KAL-EL_3
12-13-2007, 07:14 PM
AMAZING episode. not only did we hear kryptonian, we see bizarro come back and Clark incased in ice!! whats with that?

only thing that was out of place to me was the fact that bizarro clark was doing all the good thing clark does. like saving chloe and confessing his undying love for lana.

BeatlesRule
12-13-2007, 07:14 PM
I gave it a 9 just because the ending was so cool. Good show.

Darth Pipes
12-13-2007, 07:14 PM
Gave it a 9.

I had a feeling that wasn't Clark. He was way too competant and alert. He acted like someone who had learned from his mistakes and we know Clark never does that.

Still, I didn't know it would be Bizarro. Awesome reveal but Jor-El's asking for trouble if he's responsible for that. Great ending.

Very good episode. Interesting stuff on the Lex front, with buying the Planet and really turning to evil. Chloe and Jimmy were good too.

jor-eldeux
12-13-2007, 07:38 PM
Ha ... not only have we jumped the shark .... there's an appearance of Shamu!!!! just warped ...... I watched a thing with Miles and what's his name .. they do get it ... they just ignore it .... fed up ... not watching anymore.....

Saber
12-13-2007, 07:51 PM
I gave this episode a 9.
It had a different feel to it. The flow, music and special effects were poignant to the story. I thought the writing was excellent along with its direction. I wish some of the past episodes and seasons had this type of quality. Hell, I’ll even take Bizarro Clark anytime. He actually showed some intelligence. His clever manipulation of everyone rivaled Lex Luthor. Bizarro is a keeper, frozen Clark, well um, he can be kept on ice for a while.

Chloe’s character was handled beautifully, especially since lately she has been dumped on by everyone. Just very cool that she can heal, a noble, self-sacrificing power or gift.

I like seeing Lex as this torn, insane, tragic soul, this is how I want to see him go down the road of darkness not over Lana. I want the focus to always be on his insanity and justification of those evil deeds.

Lana character was a bit unbelievable with her so called connections/contacts but I’ll let that slide because KK looked absolutely beautiful in this episode.

So yeah, this episode knocked it out of the ballpark for me and thank the lord because I was losing hope. I’m a happy camper tonight (does happy dance).

dh1031
12-13-2007, 08:12 PM
I give it a 1, though I admit I keep up with every spoiler I can find - so I knew what to expect.

lillie_poo_pod
12-13-2007, 08:12 PM
I gave it a 3. Overall the episode was really boring. It did have its good parts but, even with the ending I didn't really like this episode

ClarksGal
12-13-2007, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by DreadShamus
It got a seven instead of a five because of the ending.

Some day we will get an honest vote without the people who give it tens no matter what.

Right. LOL

Just out of curiosity, what incentive do you think people would have to vote 10 without meaning it? I'm just wondering...?

Kal26
12-13-2007, 08:18 PM
This has to be one of my favorite episodes. 10!

xHerox
12-13-2007, 08:21 PM
I gave this episode an '8', but it was very close to a 9. From the get-go I really like that they incorporated a "Previously on Smallville" segment because it shows just how continuity-driven the show is becoming, an overwhelmingly positive step in my mind. Furthermore, I must admit that I am fond of the relationship between Chloe and Jimmy, so this episode was definitely satisfying in that regard.

But, like most people, I have to say that the end really solidified my affinity for this episode. I can't believe we have to wait so long to get the next part; just imagine if this was the last episode they shot before the strike and we didn't know when we would see what happens next!

mfarhaniqbal33
12-13-2007, 08:23 PM
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!F***KING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!FANTASTIC KHUBSORAT, BOHAT ACHAY, BONITO, i m just praising dis in languages i know

svtwamedfan05
12-13-2007, 08:44 PM
Very good episode. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ME!!! Lois rocked as usual. I'm so glad that the truth finally came out about Grant. Even though I hate to see Lois hurt, I'm glad Grant finally realized they couldn't continue their relationship. I really did feel sorry for Lois especially it being Christmas but it was necessary. I love the twist they threw in there at the end. At first when they kissed I did my usual turnaround but when his face changed. I was OMG!! Rewind!!!!!! I liked that Chloe used her power again and it was awesome to see that she can use it without the waterworks. Whew still shocked about that awesome ending!!!! Fan please *fans self*

Joekur
12-13-2007, 08:46 PM
I watched Tom playing Clark and I'm going, WTF?

And literally, SECONDS before the Biazzarro flash, I asked my daughter, "Is it me, or does Clark look like he's just giving public service announcements..." she laughed and said, "yea, what's up with that..." And for a breif moment, I thought, well, maybe the writer's strike is throwing him off...

then BAM!
Bizzarro! I hooted!

Tom Welling is Friggin' BRILLIANT! He actually played Bizzarro Clark with Such Finesse, I figured it was Clark, just mediocre acting... then BAM! I'd been HAD!

My only other comment is Jimmie! What a STUD man! you got BOTH my girls in your scope now... You Rock Dude! Wish I was you! lol...

kavalier
12-13-2007, 08:59 PM
Great. Flipping. Episode.

Smallville is completely on its game this season. Its what makes this writers strike so sad. If we had a gotten a full 22 episodes this season, I have no doubt it would have been the greatest Smallville season ever. I mean, since when has Smallville been this good so early on in the season?

Its freaking unbelievable just how on point the writing was in this episode in every way. Great character development. GREAT plot twists. Great use of all of the major players (minus Lionel). What more could you ask for?

Moonshayde
12-13-2007, 09:03 PM
I missed the first twenty minutes! No! I forgot there was a new episode tonight!

Anyway, I watched what i could and I enjoyed it. i was a little nervous because Clark seemed way way out of character and then, well, Bizarro. So glad I wasn't spoiled for that.

But...having missed the first 20 minutes I was clueless. Clueless I tell you. What the heck happened?

Could someone please tell me what I missed? A summary of the first 20 minutes or so? I would love you for it. Thanks :)

BadToad
12-13-2007, 09:27 PM
I gave it an 8. I liked it a lot, but I am getting a little tired of so much of the interesting stuff happening on Offscreensville.

Still, a few clever twists, and some really good performances (particularly by TW, who was awesome!) give this one a thumbs up.

Lexgirl33
12-13-2007, 09:32 PM
The writers have some explaining to do. How did Bizarro come back? How does Bizarro know all this crap about Lex and Brainiac? How did Clark get frozen in the FOS unless i missed something in the last episode. Lets just hope they dont leave these plots open for a hole. I will give this episode a 5. It had its funny moments but overall it didnt do much for me. Loved the Bizarro ending and evil Lex. Every episode seems to always tie back to the cloning.

Mello Penelo
12-13-2007, 09:33 PM
I give it a 4. Which is the highest vote I've given any episode all season. This show has gotten too out of hand. I need to sell seasons 4-6 and rewatch seasons 1-3 and remember why the show was once good.

quietone
12-13-2007, 09:41 PM
I gave it a 9. I loved the major twists regarding Gabriel and Bizarro!Clark.

I also liked the Chimmy interaction and I'm glad that they are back to being friends.

KryptoKnight
12-13-2007, 09:45 PM
Anything over a 5 is overrated. Not even the great ending can get it out of the basement. The missed opportunities and overplayed trivialities were either a sign of writers taking the easy way out or just plain uninspired tripe.

OK OK, maybe I am being a bit too harsh, but I had to wait 5 weeks for this??? Pl-e-e-e-a-s-e

Who
12-13-2007, 10:01 PM
10 This episode was brilliant!

jaydee85
12-13-2007, 10:04 PM
Whenever I can watch and be totally surprised and shocked without even one spoiler---I love it. Smallville is the best! How in the world did this slip by without any hints by anyone? Thank you whoever for keeping a lid on this one. Tom was totally awesome. Smallville should be on the GG list.

seraphim
12-13-2007, 10:31 PM
Gave this episode a 7 and only because of the ending. Can't say too much about anything else.

Mini Wolfsbane
12-13-2007, 10:49 PM
The ending and Chimmy were it's only salvaging points for me.
Oh, and the whole "Julien is actually a clone" thing. Nice to
get it solved early, even if everyone else saw it coming.

Almost everything else, as another poster said, was mediocre.
Chloe and Lois's plot felt recycled (to death!).
I just kinda tune Lana out now. LOL.

All in all, it could've been a bit better, but it wasn't
too bad for what it was, I guess. We've had worse.

Atomic girl
12-13-2007, 11:17 PM
I guess for me it made me ask more questions than it answered. How does Bizarro know about Clark's guilt trip with Lana, or anything about Clana without being there? And how does Bizarro know anything about the ISIS foundation? How did he know that Kara was missing, or anything about her?

Is Jor-el working with Bizarro? But that doesn't make any sense either. I hope these questions get answered because otherwise we get more loose ends....

And the Chlimmy relationship is reminding me of Clana for the last few seasons....frustrating really...I don't know what to rate it...I'll watch again and see what I think then....

edit: clarification, How does Bizarro know about the last few conversations with Clark? That Clana, not Clana ever....Bizarro does have all Clark's memories up until the "split", but how does he come back and not miss a beat?

gambattemusic
12-13-2007, 11:40 PM
I gave this episode a 9. Some parts were slow but for the most part, it was at a steady pace. I wasn't entirely shocked when it was Bizarro because of the way he was acting throughout the episode but I thought the writers handled it very well!!

I just started watching all of the new Smallville episodes again this season. I only watched about 5 or 6 episodes last season and the season before. As much I still love the show, I agree with much of the people that it has lost a bit of an edge.

The first couple of seasons were great, aside from the FOTW, which were, I guess, okay depending on who it is. To me, it wasn't the main story that I loved Smallville from the start, it was the side stories. A great example was "Hourglass". The main story was boring as hell but the story with the blind old woman made the episode interesting. I miss the latter part, not the former, about Smallville.

Titan27
12-13-2007, 11:47 PM
I only gave Gemini a 7 because of the ending. That was one of the few times where I actually said "Damn" that was cool. Very rarely do I get surprised by anything that happens in Smallville anymore. I never saw it coming with Clark actually being Bizarro in this episode. That was great. Other wise I would have given this episode a 5 or 6. Depending on how I felt. You people give too many episodes 9's or 10's.

gambattemusic
12-13-2007, 11:55 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Atomic girl
How does Bizarro know about Clark's guilt trip with Lana, or anything about Clana without being there?
Remember, Bizarro has all of Clark's memories, thoughts, strengths, except for the weakness up to the Season Premiere of season 7. He even says so in that episode.

And how does Bizarro know anything about the ISIS foundation? How did he know that Kara was missing, or anything about her?
Those are mighty good questions. The only person that really knew was Clark (the real one) but we don't know how long Bizarro was back on Earth, though.

Is Jor-el working with Bizarro? But that doesn't make any sense either.
Well, all I know is that Bizarro could have gone to the Fortress of Solitude (off screen) and somehow gotten the information that he needed from Jor-El there. That would be the only explanation that would seem logical at this point.

ginnyfan
12-14-2007, 12:02 AM
I voted 10! This episode was chalk full of plot threads, all of them moving forward. LOL! The surprise ending REALLY surprised me. I wonder how Bizarro managed to avoid sunlight while investigating with Lana all that time... but anyway...

Lois ROCKED!!! I loved her so much. *contented sigh* She got to do so much in this episode; she ran the gamut - she kicked butt, she was vulnerable, she was snarky... oh I was in Lois heaven.

Chimmy! So romantic and wonderful. I'm so glad all the issues were resolved. There was buzz about them becoming Clana 2.0 and it wasn't like that at all. :D Bring on the Geek Love!

Finally we understand Chloe's power. Bout time.

I enjoyed the Clana which turned out to be Bizarro/Lana. I enjoy Clana when it's angst free. I didn't guess that Clark was bizarro but there was something odd about his eyebrows in his first scene with Lana. LOL! He was different in an odd way. I just thought that Jor-el had spanked Clark GOOD. LOL!

I liked the way the whole Julian Luthor thing was resolved. Love Lex being evil and feeling misunderstood. Loved him taking over the planet. Why did he keep Lois on as a reporter I wonder?

Brainiac is on the way back also... cool beans.

Clark's still in the fortress. I hope he's learning something in that block of ice... though it didn't look like it. *sigh*

I voted 10! Oh that was good. :)

jack1487
12-14-2007, 12:50 AM
Holy, sh**!!!! What a great show just liked the way that TW handled his role, did not give anything away also loved the way that all of the other character's were manipulated. And for me that gave it a 10!!!!

Take Care and Have a Great Holiday,

Jack

skully
12-14-2007, 02:39 AM
Man, what a great episode. The pace was great, the acting was outstanding, the explanations very nicely tied together, the secrets divulged very satisfying, and the ending fantastic. One of the slickest Smallville episodes in a long time. Best episode of the season (at least equal best).

9.5 out of 10. Bring on the rest of the season and may the WGA impasse be resolved so we can get a full dose of Brainiac, Bizarro, evil Lex etc with the full compliment of 22 episodes.

Mr.Magic
12-14-2007, 02:50 AM
3/10

They are not good at writing compelling drama, it's too soapy for my taste. I found the story itself to be mediocre, but that this improved and confident Clark is really Bizzaro completely destroyed it for me.

I really liked this new Clark. I wish we could keep him, and let the stiff stay in his box.

ps: I just hate it when I like the "villainous" clone better than the real deal. I the case of CK doubly so.

wildenchantress_kt
12-14-2007, 03:45 AM
Excellent half season finale. Chloe revealing her powers. The Julian Luthor plot starting to take shape. Plus Bizarro showing up at the last minute what was that about? Where has Bizarro been all this time? Will Kara be able to tell that Bizarro isn’t Clark considering no one else can? Will Clark be able to break free of the fortress? ALL THIS AND MORE ANSWERED NEXT YEAR WHEN SMALLVILLE RETURNS! LOL!

Looks like Lex Luthor is going to shake things up in the planet now he is got control of it.
Since Julian is a clone it could explain how he is older than Clark, In Memoria Lillian is pregnant with Julian after the meteor shower (you can tell because Lex is bald) which would make Grant younger than Clark. If my calculations are correct if the real Julian was alive would only be 15 at this time.

Bizarro obliviously hesitated in saving Jimmy and Chloe’s lives but, in the bigger picture he had to save them because Lana knew that Clark was going to save and if he didn’t it would have look suspicious. Bizarro wouldn’t have been as angst ridden as Clark gets when he breaks up with Lana or someone dies. I swear he ends up moping around for sometimes up to two episodes before he bloody gets on with what he has to do.

It makes sense that Clark was Bizarro because I can remember an instance in this show where anyone has actually SPOKEN Kryptonian. Bizarro didn’t speak it but when the other guy did Bizarro understood it. Clark would have heard Kryptonian spoken since he was a few months old on Krypton and I hardly believe he would have remembered it with the accuracy that Bizarro did. I believe that Bizarro’s long term plans are to set BRAINIAC free. BRAINIAC is trying to start back up again which means Milton Fine may get free again. What makes me think that it is a worse combination than Zod and Fine.

Jor-El said at the end of Blue that Clark’s defiance could not go without consequence. Maybe Bizarro getting free and trapping Clark has something to do with Jor-El’s punishment. However it happened I believe that Kara will have to help the real Clark get free unless Bizarro is able to convince her that he is the real Clark. Bizarro might go after Kara who is currently in New Orleans if I remember correctly from Blue I guess we will have to wait until the new year.

At the end with the flash of Bizarro after he kissed Lana. Nice touch. Can’t wait until next year. Good thing it starts up next Thursday in Australia (from season 6). Hey maybe the Aussie’s can attempt to catch up with you guys again through your winter break. Hope you can wait until January. LATER’S!

skylar
12-14-2007, 04:11 AM
That was the best episode so far this year. TW played Clark/Bizarro better this time around than before. You could tell that something was wrong but never gave it away. He fooled Lana and Chloe . I don't think they gave a second to know that it wasn't the real Clark. Loved it!!

Angel of Mercy
12-14-2007, 06:42 AM
I thought it was a great episode, and in true Smallville fashion, lots of symbolism. The parallel Gemini stories of clone Julien and Bizarro/Clark was a great over-arching theme that I think no one saw coming on both characters.

I did have some suspicions throughout the episode on Clark: (1) in the Fortress of Solitude for two weeks...I mean, I don't think he's ever spent THAT much time in there. I thought he was possibly completing his training--man was I wrong; (2) if you didn't notice Bizarro flew up the stairwell at the DP to save Chimmy. That was a definite whoa because Clark doesn't know how to fly, let alone be able to do it on reflex. I mean, it was obvious he wasn't leaping up those stairs; (3) his concern to take Lex down was a breath of fresh air. I was hoping to finally see Clark take the reigns on this subject but again, that's not like Clark--nor Smallville; (4) He and Lana working together was also interesting. It was nice to see happy Clana moments, but as one blogger said on the Wrath forum, they can never be together when they're normal, which keeps reinforcing the fact that this relationship is doomed and can never be. We finally see happy Clana and it turns out that its been Bizarro the whole time...who knew?! (5) He understood Kryptonian. I know Clark knows how to read but reading and speaking a language are two very different things. I have a feeling Bizarro and Brainiac are working together, possibly to take down earth or something insane.

I enjoyed Lois doing what she does best...getting the scoop of a century and risking her life (and Chloe's) in the process. I must say I enjoy Lois' kick-a$$ attitude most of the time. It totally sux she can't be with Julien, but then again I wonder how clone babies would come out? I totally loved her ironic statement about her never working with the "one". Its cute how the love her life will eventually be right in her face, working alongside her and she'll never know it.

After the "big-reveal" that Jules is a clone I thought, does that mean that he'll eventually start to deteriorate in super-mode too? I mean, since he was the only one that actually worked doesn't mean he can't get damaged eventually, although he was easy on the eyes and his abrasive character was too much on an equal playing field with Lois, which makes me love and hate his character all in the same breath. I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of little bro Jules.

At least we know now that the salt has been added to Lex's wound in regards to him never being able to find love, either from the woman he loves, his father, or even his self attempt at playing God and creating his brother, which by the way, I thought was genius. That is ultimately the truth behinds Lex's evilness--he wants to be God, and tries everything he can to make it a reality. Problem with Lex is that God is love, and he's far from it.

With Clark in a frozen block of ice makes me wonder how he got in there. Did Bizarro put him in the deep freeze? It's hard for me to imagine Jor-El doing that. I think in Blue's episode, when he stated that Clark's disobedience cannot go without consequence was just Jor-El's way of being able to somehow know what will happen in the future. He probably knew Bizarro wasn't out of the picture, but still, Kara needs to come out of la la land quick and save the day. From the little that I know of DC comics (sorry I was raised as a Marvel fan), its Supergirl who defeats Bizarro, not Superman, so it'll be interesting to see how they conjure up that one. Hopefully it'll be more dramatic than the first defeat which I will be the first to say was anti-climactic, probably because the writers were setting up for a return of the villain.

A month and 1/2 wait for the next episode...not sure I can go on without my weekly dose of Smallville...it'll be a long 6 weeks. :(

superpal1
12-14-2007, 06:49 AM
My two cents---Great Episode. The end was perfect, becuase through out the show, I kept thinking that Clark seemed different.

Izzysand
12-14-2007, 07:01 AM
i give this episode an 8. very good, the ending was cool.

Ginx
12-14-2007, 08:24 AM
8/10

The ep itself was decent but it was the ending that really made it for me. I mean - hurray!!!!!

I did like how they explained a few things and how Lex is clearly stepping into the perm villian role and not leaning towards being good - he's being good in his own mind which is the Lex I love.

I liked that they had a lot of Lois in this ep but poor girl got dumped again :(

Loved that they continued the Bizarro storyline and the Braniac storyline :) - At least we've got continuity :)

DestinyAw8s
12-14-2007, 10:59 AM
Great episode! Loved it all! Bizzaro did say he wanted Clark's life. Well, he's got it! At least for now. hehe Sneaky Bizzaro. He's a pretty smart guy. Made me kinda like him, actually.:eek::p:)

superman2001
12-14-2007, 11:37 AM
I thought the episode, was great, i really did like how Lois tried to warn Chloe, about the bomb, and i also liked the scene where Bizzaro Clark, saved chloe, and jimmy, i wonder how clark, is going to escape from the Fortress.

mctor
12-14-2007, 01:51 PM
Amazing episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perfect 10 for me
Very Very Well done episode

Pimson
12-14-2007, 03:28 PM
It was totally amazing. I realised in the beginning of the episode that something was different with Clark. It was also very interesting to find out the truth about Grant, and of course Chloe confessing to Jimmy. I give it a 10 :)

BWOracle
12-14-2007, 03:42 PM
I gave the episode a 5 (the first episode this season I've given less than an 8). The basic story was average and I'm not wild about the Bizarro ending. It's sort of like the scene in Wizard of Oz..."Ignore the man behind the curtain". Nothing that happens we'll be real until the real Clark returns and will probably be forgotten as soon as he returns.

As for the questions people have asked, I think I have the correct answers:

Why did Bizarro save Chloe? Because he needed her to decipher the Kryptonian code.

Why did Lex buy the Daily Planet and keep Lois? So he could keep her from publishing her story about his cloning project.

One other thing I'd like to mention. Why is it not okay for us true fans to say don't watch the show anymore if you don't like it but it's okay to criticize us for giving 9 and 10 ratings. This is a Smallville fansite after all. That's why I watch because it normally is a 9 or 10 for me.

loistickyfingerz
12-14-2007, 03:53 PM
I thought it was pretty good. I don't read spoilers, but I somehow had a feeling all along that wasn't the real Clark. I didn't expect Bizzaro, but it was a cool twist.

I guess the title Gemini gave it away for me. I figured Clark would be the one with the twin, and I was almost convinced I was wrong, until that last shot. Very nice. I hope the writers come back soon.

babyluthor
12-14-2007, 04:32 PM
I thought this was one of the weaker episodes of the season so far. I liked the Chloe and Jimmy scenes, but I didn't care for the bomb plot. I was about to rate the episode as a 6 when it looked like Clana was getting back together, but then it was Bizarro! That made the episode a lot better and explained a lot of things. So overall I'm giving this episode a 7.

vyperman7
12-14-2007, 07:35 PM
Personally, I thought that this episode was OK. I was expecting it to be better than it was because over @ tv.com, it got a really high rating with a lot of positive reviews. For the most part, the episode was Lois centric, and she is one of my least favorite characters on the show. I personally I don't care for the relationship between Julian "Grant" Luthor and Lois, and the clone angle was particularly weak in my opinion. Another thing that bothered me was the lack of screen time for Clark. Even though it technically was Bizzaro, I would still rather see more of Clark/Bizarro, then all of the Lois/Grant drama. Not to mention the mini Chimmy reunion, which is my least favorite ship on the show. Finally, what bugged me is that Chloe's power is fully developed now. The only time we saw anything happen, it was from a tear that she shed, which healed Lois. Now she is able to heal people when she touches them? It would have been nice to see Chloe building her power up/practicing.

There were a few things I liked about this episode.

1) The ending. It made up for a somewhat bland episode. Probably one of my favorites in recent memory, if not the whole series. Clark frozen, with Bizarro standing in and trying to take over his life. Awesome. This means we got actual continuity and the return of a villain. That is a rareity on this show. Not to mention the fact that Brainiac will be coming back, which is great.

2) Lex buying the DP. It is great to see Lex getting a strong hold in Metropolis. Now while I don't really like Lois, I do enjoy the scenes she has with Lex. It will be great now that Lex owns the DP, which will cause friction there.

Overall I would probably rate this a 6/10, maybe a 7 because of the kick ass ending. It has been awhile since something on the show made me smile. That ending was sweet. Personally I would have aired this episode after Blue and had Gemini serve as the fall cliffhanger. Then you bring back new episodes in 2008. What is the point of coming back for one episode, and then taking another break?

MidgardDragon
12-14-2007, 11:37 PM
It was a pretty good episode overall but not as big as I expected it to be. The A plot with Lois/Grant/Lex/Adrian was okay, not mind-blowing but nice to see a plausible explanation for Julian's continued existence. The B plot with Clark and Lana was pretty meh until the very end, wherein exactly what I expected to happen did happen, which I was very happy about. I also liked the advancement of the return of Brainiac plot. Overall, though, the episode was well put together, and it entertained me the whole time, so it got an 8/10 from me. Can't wait to see more of Bizarro.

ETA: Oh and I totally forgot part of what brought my rating up: Chloe using her powers! 'bout damn time. If they'd swept under the rug because of some obsessive fanboy/fangirl whining I'd have been P.O.'d.

vyperman7
12-15-2007, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by MidgardDragon
ETA: Oh and I totally forgot part of what brought my rating up: Chloe using her powers! 'bout damn time. If they'd swept under the rug because of some obsessive fanboy/fangirl whining I'd have been P.O.'d.

The reason this bugged me was because of the fact that there had been no build up to it. They should have shown her over the course of the season practicing with her powers and building it up. She went from crying a healing tear, to being able to heal people with her touch. I just wish that they had shown this power develop over the course of the season.

MidgardDragon
12-15-2007, 12:46 AM
Yeah I agree that she should have been shown using her power over the course of the season. I believe they didn't due to the backlash against the development in the first place, and it's probably the biggest mistake they've made this season, IMO.

FiReFTW
12-15-2007, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Autumn
I gave the episode a 1. I thought it was dreadful, and I honestly don't know why so many people think it was the best 9th episode of the series. I mean, over Lexmas? And Asylum? Well anyway...

Here's what I liked:

1) I like Lex's vulnerability and that he wants to be loved.

That's about it! Although, it was nice to see Clark frozen. Maybe it will give him time to think about what a chump he is at this point in the series. He probably will, and it will last for a whole five minutes. And then in the next episode, he'll be back to pining over Lana and hanging out in the loft.

Oh, and I give it a 1 instead of a 0 because at least Clark and Lana didn't end the episode with them hanging ornaments on a Christmas tree in the loft like I imagined.


Here's what I didn't like:

1) Lois getting Chloe's stories. The writers have Chloe hand over all of her years of work to Lois just like that? Lois doesn't work for anything. Everything just falls in her lap and is given to her on a silver platter. I hate how they've written the LL character. And I hate how they treat Chloe like garbage on this show. Her name isn't on the stupid cave walls, so therefore she can be tossed aside and treated like crap. It's so chauvinistic the way they write the women on this show, that it ticks me off. I feel bad for the actresses. I mean Lois going off about her body getting her the work. She brings it up because deep down she knows it is true. Why is she being handed the Lex Luthor expose? Come on! It's ridiculous. Lex hands her her destiny once again. He gave her the hs diploma and got her into college. Now, he's giving her the stepping stone to getting her the expose on him, which we know will ultimately win her the Pulitzer in the future. GAG!!!!!

2) Chloe and Jimmy; They don't have chemistry. And Jimmy reminds me of a male Lana. They are repeating story lines. Chloe's a superhero now, while Jimmy is the significant other whining for the truth. And he seems almost judgemental when he hugged her and looked at his finger. Lana and Jimmy should hook up. Heck, he dreamt about it in Noir. I guess he thinks Lana is out of his league so he settles with Chloe. Real winner of a boyfriend if you ask me. He's written to be a real pig. And Kara? He just goes from girl to girl. He stays with the "best" girl he can get at the time. Honestly, I don't know what Chloe sees in him. He took her virginity and never called her. But that's endearing to her? These writers make me really angry sometimes. AA does do a good job acting with what he's given.

3) Lana and Clark; I'm so sick of seeing them together. I mean at least Clark was Bizarro. I knew it wasn't him just by TW's facial expressions. It was obvious in the first 30 seconds. I loved how Lana said she had decided to give up going after Lex, but then a few seconds later she goes off about some girl she's been hiding. Obviously, she was pulling a Lex and lying. She's evil. Lana seemed to like Bizarro more than Clark. She liked him turning a little to the dark side. Heck, they should become a couple. She seems to work better with evil guys. She is evil. And Clark and Lana need to end permanently. It's honestly painful to watch. I mean it even looks painful for the actors to act. There is no chemistry between them whatsoever.

4) No Chloe/Lex interaction still. He never found out about Chloe until it was all over. I would have liked to have him hear about Chloe dying possibly. Would he have given Lois something, just so Chloe wouldn't die? He cares about Chloe in a strange way. But they didn't even use that.

5) This was a Christmas episode? Lexmas was much better. This was just plain junk. I really felt the Christmas spirit when Lois and Grant were making out to Christmas music.

6) The dialogue in this episode was weak. The writing has really gone down hill 6th and 7th season.

7)Grant is a clone. I knew it was going to happen, but still...Why didn't they connect it more to Lionel's project with Emily?

8)They repeated story lines in this episode. They just used different characters. Where's the originality? Where's the integrity on this show? They honestly just don't seem to care how bad it is at this point.

9) I honestly can't stand the anvils anymore. They drive me crazy. It makes me feel like the writers are conceited about their show. We don't need constant reminders that Lois is Lois Lane. They even make her own name an anvil. Also, in this episode she says, she won't date another guy she works with. Oh, please. What a stupid line. They make dialogue forced and unnatural. It's just so over the top, it's driving me crazy.

I could go on. Everything in this episode wasn't good and it felt like a soap opera not a superhero show. I didn't care for the Bizarro plot line last season or this season. And I really didn't want them to bring him back. At least Brainiac will be returning soon. They need more Chloe/Clark; Chloe/Lex; Chloe/Lionel, and they should just have Clark and Lana end and have her become evil. I honestly, just watch this show out of habit now. It really has become dreadful. Why can't Clark be a hero? It's ridiculous at this point. And honestly, I'm sick of everyone treating Lex like he's already his future self, as if they are all psychic and they can see his destiny. It's stupid. I'd become evil too if I was Lex. Everyone on this show is a bunch of hypocrites. Maybe it's just the writers.

All right, done with my rant now. This show has so much potential, and they just throw it all out the window. It's very disappointing.


Did you even rate 1 episode this season above 1 ?

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ClarkyBoy14
12-15-2007, 08:50 AM
Another great episode. Can't wait for the next one.

FiReFTW
12-15-2007, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Autumn
Now, I remember why I hardly post on Kryptonsite or IMDB.It attracts rude people who can't handle people with different opinions than their own.

You think not? Excuse me? Apparently you know not. I don't like people telling me how I think or what I've done. And yes, actually I did rate other episodes above a 1. I gave one episode a 6 (Cure), one episode a 5, and a couple of episodes 2's. But honestly this season has been very weak. And I have a lot of evidence to back that up. I watch because I hope it will get better. It used to be a good show.

I'm not silly and you have no right to tell me I'm wrong. Everyone has a right to their opinion. And I have evidence to back me up. And I don't appreciate a personal attack. I have my opinions, and you have yours. I don't enjoy non-continuitous writing with too much soapy angst and over the top dialogue. Not to mention repeating of different story lines from past seasons.

Do I find it weird that most people rate it a 9 and I don't? Um no. I've never been the type to conform. I have my opinions and I'm not afraid to share them. Plus, the people on this site are usually the people who still think Smallville is a good show. Other people just stopped caring and stopped posting. I can't blame them. I might join league soon. I'm sure it will break your heart!

I always know what I want, and I don't appreciate being told I have no taste. I went off about the episode because it bugged me. I have a right to that opinion.

So please, tell me. What lines in the episode did you think were so well written? No wait. Don't answer. I don't want to get into a debate with you.

I personally think it's great that some people still enjoy Smallville. I don't care. If it makes other people happy, then okay. I don't like to attack other people's opinions. But I do think I have a right to have my own and not be attacked for it. It's juvenile and reeks of pettiness. Not something I care much for.

BTW, 50 people on a fan website does not represent the average, casual viewer. I've talked to many people who feel the same way I do. Most of them have stopped watching completely.

I still watch out of habit. I have this thing where I like to watch how things end up. I don't like not watching the end of something I started, even if it's bad.

Personally I feel your comment was uncalled for. And I deserve an apology. Not that I'm expecting one.

Im not even beeing hostile or aggresive , just like yourself I told you my opinion about it and also that I find it strainge that you rate every episode 1 ,
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harryandginnyfanatic
12-15-2007, 06:53 PM
Maybe it's just the writers.

That...or AlMiles.

SVfan4ever
12-15-2007, 07:44 PM
9.5/10 Great episode, great acting, and the ending totally floored me.

AngelaV
12-15-2007, 08:43 PM
Just watched it. Awesome 10 episode!
I really liked how they had Chloe tell Jimmy about her healing touch. Didn't want that to drag on forever! Can't believe we have to wait so long for some more answers!

Was so shocked that Lex shot the clone and told him he was a mistake. Holy evil!

Xanderman
12-16-2007, 01:59 AM
I gave it a 9. I thought it was a great episode for the most part and one of the better eps of the season.

I didn't expect the Bizarro twist, mostly because I had completely forgotten about Bizarro. I thought maybe Clark had finally become "cool" or something. My mistake.:lol: (This is definitely the clone season of Smallville isn't it.)

I was disappointed Julian ended up being only a clone, he would have been a nice addition to the Bash Brothers. lol

The name "Gemini" for the cloning project (and episode) reminds me a lot of Nowhere Man, and I assume it was the inspiration for the name here. The main character there (Thomas Veil) was the main subject of a secret and insidious project called Gemini where he was given fake memories. He spent the entire series tragically trying to protect an identity and life that were never really his. Such a great show that was...

I liked what Julian said to Lex, that if he wants to play God he should give or allow him God's greatest gift as well, free will. Very appropriate to get a bit religious in a Christmas ep. Smallville usually stays away from overt religiousness (and rightfully so), which is actually fitting given that in the Smallville universe, many religions were proven wrong the instant young Clark arrived to Earth (afterall, Clark is an alien superior to man, and Earth was clearly shown not to be the center of the universe or of creation...etc etc, lol). The Kryptonians were gods unto themselves. ("Gods are selfish beings who fly around in little red capes and don't share their power with mankind." --Lex Luthor, Superman Returns, lol)

As I've speculated before, Chloe seems to be on the path to one day sacrificing herself to save/heal/resurrect Clark. Perhaps Chloe will be the ultimate "hero" of the episode that will end this season (and possibly the series...don't know). Her death will push Clark to become Superman and Lois to become Super Reporter. lol

Not sure how anyone can give this episode a 1, unless they completely hate Smallville or this genre/type of show. There really is no justification for a score that low, not for this episode (even the worst of Smallville is never really totally bad). I noticed above that FiReFTW was responding to posts from Autumn that seem to no longer exist...lol Autumn did you have a change of heart? Or do you just hate being in the middle of a controversy? lol

LoisL
12-16-2007, 03:59 AM
Wow.....

Just when I had given up on SV and deliberately missed it this Thursday after the long break.... What a great episode! I knew all the twists coming into it and was somehow convinced it'd be another yawn fest. This is, to me, easily the best episode of S7. And here I hated the character of Bizarro in the premiere!

Cheers to the writers and director, cast and crew. Man, I loved the elevator jingles. :)

p.s. I owe many thanks to whoever it was that posted the episode on youtube.

jimmyolsenblues
12-16-2007, 06:35 AM
I loved this episode.
Great writing, greatest plot twist ever on smallville.
Clark trapped, Bizarro+Lana, Lex cloning his brother. I missed Lionel. But the episode was very well written. The bad guy turned out to be the first Julian Clone. is good stuff.
Congratulations to the writers, this was original stuff and not re-hashed old plot lines.

Autumn
12-16-2007, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Xanderman
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Not sure how anyone can give this episode a 1, unless they completely hate Smallville or this genre/type of show. There really is no justification for a score that low, not for this episode (even the worst of Smallville is never really totally bad). I noticed above that FiReFTW was responding to posts from Autumn that seem to no longer exist...lol Autumn did you have a change of heart? Or do you just hate being in the middle of a controversy? lol

I deleted my posts because I don't feel like Kryptonsite is a place where you can give your opinions without being attacked. I did not have a change of heart. I didn't think the episode was good. It was not well written in my opinion. Controversy? What Controversy? I thought the above person was rude and what he said was uncalled for. That is why I deleted my post. I feel he does not deserve a response. And honestly, you are starting to upset me as well. There is no need to bring me up in your critique of the episode.

Apparently it bothers people that I have a different opinion about the episode. I think great episodes are Memoria, Lexmas, Ryan, etc.. Episodes I think are really bad are Phantom, Promise, Ageless, Gemini, etc... I'm entitled to that opinion. I'm a fan of Smallville when they do it well. But the past two seasons have been weak in my opinion.

And honestly, I'm tired of being attacked for having a different opinion than other people. So you know what? Besides posting up my fan videos for Smallville, I don't think I will post on Kryptonsite anymore. It annoys me too much to constantly be harassed and attacked for having a differing opinion.

So LOL all you want. I don't think anyone has the right to tell me I have serious problems or that I have an agenda, or that I'm silly and that I think people don't work hard on a show, etc... Honestly it's rude. And again, I deleted my comment because I feel that it is unnecessary to respond to someone like that. Not because I'm afraid of a debate, or because someone changed my opinion. HA!

So, I won't respond to you either anymore. No need to bring up posts I personally deleted. Good grief. Worry about yourself. I"M DONE!!!!!

Saber
12-16-2007, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Autumn
I deleted my posts because I don't feel like Kryptonsite is a place where you can give your opinions without being attacked. I did not have a change of heart. I didn't think the episode was good. It was not well written in my opinion. Controversy? What Controversy? I thought the above person was rude and what he said was uncalled for. That is why I deleted my post. I feel he does not deserve a response. And honestly, you are starting to upset me as well. There is no need to bring me up in your critique of the episode.

Apparently it bothers people that I have a different opinion about the episode. I think great episodes are Memoria, Lexmas, Ryan, etc.. Episodes I think are really bad are Phantom, Promise, Ageless, Gemini, etc... I'm entitled to that opinion. I'm a fan of Smallville when they do it well. But the past two seasons have been weak in my opinion.

And honestly, I'm tired of being attacked for having a different opinion than other people. So you know what? Besides posting up my fan videos for Smallville, I don't think I will post on Kryptonsite anymore. It annoys me too much to constantly be harassed and attacked for having a differing opinion.

So LOL all you want. I don't think anyone has the right to tell me I have serious problems or that I have an agenda, or that I'm silly and that I think people don't work hard on a show, etc... Honestly it's rude. And again, I deleted my comment because I feel that it is unnecessary to respond to someone like that. Not because I'm afraid of a debate, or because someone changed my opinion. HA!

So, I won't respond to you either anymore. No need to bring up posts I personally deleted. Good grief. Worry about yourself. I"M DONE!!!!!


I don’t know you but I feel for you. I wish you didn’t feel forced to delete your post. I think whether someone voted 1 or 10 all are valid and interesting opinions that must be respected without being bullied by others. This thread clearly stated as “Love it or hate it... what did you think of Gemini? say it right here on this thread”. The voting portion also stated “rate how you feel”.
There were no statements that if someone rated it low there were going to be a critic’s evaluation on that poster’s opinion.
There is way too much bulling going on in these threads by posters on their high horses, at times it becomes very uncomfortable to post here. I wish a mod would intervene on this continual uncouth behavior by some posters.
So who is going to be the dumb smart-ass that’s gong to say about my post that if you’re so uncomfortable posting here why don’t you leave. I’ll be waiting to see who steps up to the plate.

DestinyAw8s
12-16-2007, 12:27 PM
I agree with you, saber. This is not the "suppression" thread. That's somewhere else, and I don't go there. The invitation was clear and should be taken at face value. No one should be harangued for stating their opinion. Personally, I gave the episode a 10. Call me crazy, but I loved more about it than I didn't. But then, I rarely give a rating lower than a 7 to any episode. It has to be really, really, really bad to get a 6. But that's just me. I love this show for what it is. And most of us must appreciate "something" about Smallville, in all its highs and lows, or we wouldn't bother watching. So, I might not agree with Autumn, but I can respect her personal opinion. Please come back, Autumn. You have just as much right to be here as anyone else on this forum.

supermommy
12-16-2007, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Joekur
Tom Welling is Friggin' BRILLIANT! He actually played Bizzarro Clark with Such Finesse, I figured it was Clark, just mediocre acting... then BAM! I'd been HAD!

I was thinking the same thing. I knew Clark was acting weird and I kept telling my kids, that isn't Clark. Something is wrong.

Wow. Great acting by Tom.

kryptonaidxh
12-16-2007, 08:24 PM
:D I loved this was a full episode of Lois´ scenes, she was great!.
I didn´t botter in watching the awful Clana scenes and even Clark´s scenes as Bizarro, definetely this was the episode for Lois., no one else.:D

MidgardDragon
12-16-2007, 10:29 PM
I deleted my posts because I don't feel like Kryptonsite is a place where you can give your opinions without being attacked.

Bullsh*t. About 65% or more of posts are people giving negative-a** opinions and other people patting them on the back for how unique and interesting their same-old same-old opinion is. If anything those of us who give positive opinions are attacked the most.

Theshadow129x
12-16-2007, 11:00 PM
I gave it a seven for an average episode. it wasnt great but it also wasnt bad. the shock value gave it more of a boost with it being Bizarro at the end but still i wasnt too impressed with the overall story telling. Lana's instant transformation into being a scientist was a huge turn off to me.

zspree8
12-16-2007, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Magic
3/10

They are not good at writing compelling drama, it's too soapy for my taste. I found the story itself to be mediocre, but that this improved and confident Clark is really Bizzaro completely destroyed it for me.

I really liked this new Clark. I wish we could keep him, and let the stiff stay in his box.

ps: I just hate it when I like the "villainous" clone better than the real deal. I the case of CK doubly so.

Oh you like him now. just wait until wat this bizarro b**** does when he teams up w/Lex and Fine and starts mayhem. THEN let's seee

I initially wouldve given this a 5 or a 6 b/c of the storyline being recycled stuff, but when the Julian clone idea and CLARK being trapped in the fortress came about, my rating bumped up to a 9. WHEN WAS CLARK TRAPPED IN THE FORTRESS AND HOW??? DID JOR-EL SEND THAT BIZAROO SUMB****???!

Saber
12-17-2007, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Bullsh*t. About 65% or more of posts are people giving negative-a** opinions and other people patting them on the back for how unique and interesting their same-old same-old opinion is. If anything those of us who give positive opinions are attacked the most.

Congratulations, you’re the first to step up to the plate; you have earned the title DSA.
Be careful your lack of a positive opinion is showing.

STFanatic
12-17-2007, 06:19 AM
Mod Note - Please let me stress that arguments should NEVER be posted on the message board. If you have a problem with a poster, PLEASE take it directly to PM or to a MODERATOR. DO NOT involve an entire thread in your arguments.

shy175223
12-17-2007, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by FiReFTW
Did you even rate 1 episode this season above 1 ? ... i think not .. face it your wrong and silly , just cause you don't like something doesn't mean other people don't , don't you find it weird how the big majority rate it 9 and 10 and you rate it 1 with maybe 2 more ppl , so either all the ppl here don't know whats good or you really don't know what you wan't or have no real taste about episodes.

Okay, in case you do know the rules this forum here one of them.



14) Flamewars and insults are strictly prohibited. This board is for the discussion of anything about the shows we cover, whether it is positive or negative. Everyone has a right to their opinions, so please do not flame or insult any user, even if you disagree with their point of view. Statements such as "how can you all think this way" or "why does everybody hate" or "you're all just jealous" are prohibited.

Darc Kent
12-17-2007, 07:40 AM
I rated the episode a seven. It was interesting but I wasn't glued to the t.v. like was expecting.

belang
12-17-2007, 11:53 AM
i love this ep! :)

gambattemusic
12-17-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by STFanatic
Mod Note - Please let me stress that arguments should NEVER be posted on the message board. If you have a problem with a poster, PLEASE take it directly to PM or to a MODERATOR. DO NOT involve an entire thread in your arguments.

Thank you!;-)

Autumn
12-17-2007, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Saber
I don’t know you but I feel for you. I wish you didn’t feel forced to delete your post. I think whether someone voted 1 or 10 all are valid and interesting opinions that must be respected without being bullied by others. This thread clearly stated as “Love it or hate it... what did you think of Gemini? say it right here on this thread”. The voting portion also stated “rate how you feel”.
There were no statements that if someone rated it low there were going to be a critic’s evaluation on that poster’s opinion.
There is way too much bulling going on in these threads by posters on their high horses, at times it becomes very uncomfortable to post here. I wish a mod would intervene on this continual uncouth behavior by some posters.
So who is going to be the dumb smart-ass that’s gong to say about my post that if you’re so uncomfortable posting here why don’t you leave. I’ll be waiting to see who steps up to the plate.

Thanks. I agree. The thread clearly states Love it or Hate it. So, hating it is an option. I stand by how I feel about the episode.


Originally posted by DestinyAw8s
I agree with you, saber. This is not the "suppression" thread. That's somewhere else, and I don't go there. The invitation was clear and should be taken at face value. No one should be harangued for stating their opinion. Personally, I gave the episode a 10. Call me crazy, but I loved more about it than I didn't. But then, I rarely give a rating lower than a 7 to any episode. It has to be really, really, really bad to get a 6. But that's just me. I love this show for what it is. And most of us must appreciate "something" about Smallville, in all its highs and lows, or we wouldn't bother watching. So, I might not agree with Autumn, but I can respect her personal opinion. Please come back, Autumn. You have just as much right to be here as anyone else on this forum.

Yes, I do appreciate some things about Smallville. I see its potential, which keeps me watching. :) I especially love the characters of Lionel, Lex and Chloe. I also respect your opinion as well. Everyone definitely has a right to how they feel about a show, movie, book, tv show, etc...

CS Lewis said that if a book (we'll make it tv show in this case) means something to at least one person, than it has worth. I agree 100%. So, if this episode of Smallville means something to someone, then apparently it has worth, right? :) I just personally didn't like the episode. But there's always next week! Thanks for your support!

All about Clark
12-17-2007, 03:34 PM
I gave it a 7. It actually took me awhile as I wasn't exactly sure how I felt about it. There was good and bad and I was just irritated in the beginning that Clark had so few scenes and wasn't telling us what happened in the FOS.

Anyways, Chloe and Jimmy and Lois were all great. I didn't care for Lana scenes and didn't see her as someone who could pull off keeping someone in secret. Clark was odd but then he was supposed to be, but that Lana seemed utterly clueless was weird, why didn't she challenge his choices.

Anyways, if it weren't for the ending I think I would have been rather disappointed.

I'm also perplexed that Jor-el wouldn't have chosen a more constructive consequence, where Clark could learn something or communicate with Jor-el. I actually wanted the rotating rings to keep Clark in a prison state but could still communicate and learn. That was disappointing as it doesn't do anything towards learning. And again, Jor-el is being a dictator type instead of molding his son. I'm curious on how much Clark will remember.

MidgardDragon
12-19-2007, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by Saber
Congratulations, you’re the first to step up to the plate; you have earned the title DSA.
Be careful your lack of a positive opinion is showing.

Right, because I didn't most my positive opinion on this episode earlier in the thread or anything. Can we get back to the actual episode now please people.

Saber
12-19-2007, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Right, because I didn't most my positive opinion on this episode earlier in the thread or anything. Can we get back to the actual episode now please people.

What part of that mod note above didn’t you understand?
It was pretty straight forward. If you still want to drone on the same subject then PM me, I gladly take you on there. Now drop it and move on.

magoo
12-19-2007, 06:22 AM
At the start of the episode i just assumed Clark was more mature because the two weeks he'd been away he'd undertaken some training from Jor-El. I didn't expect the twist.

berniepooh
12-20-2007, 10:13 AM
I noticed some funny things like Clark "jumping" up the stairwell to get to Chloe in time, when he usually runs really fast. The second time I watched it I realized he was flying, NOT jumping!. The first time through it didn't occur to me it wasn't really Clark.

I love the way they wrote the episode so the reveal at the end that it's actually Bizarro made me gasp! I really enjoy being surprised. They played this close to the chest like a classic suspense show. The old Mission Impossible and The Avengers TV shows were masterful at this. I applaud this script. The writers did a great job!

So much better than last season's stories. :cool:

KAL-EL_3
12-20-2007, 05:50 PM
JOR-EL DOES NOT PUNISH CLARK SO PEOPLE STOP SAYING THAT!!!! he states that what clark does, does not happen without CONSEQUENCE!!! this means clark releasing Zor-el and his mother resulted in the sun being blocked out which OBVIOUSLY released bizarro. How Clark was frozen will surely be revealed in the next couple episodes.

Jor-el has never punished clark. only tried to guide him in the RIGHT choices. Season 5 when clark died and he was brought back it was "the tide of fate" that demanded the life of another (his father) for the life of his own (clark). which has nothing to do with Jor-El punishing anyone! it has to do with clark making BAD decisions

LovelyLoisLane
12-22-2007, 08:48 PM
Actually fairly decent, but still had moments that didn't make sense. So . . . an 8 from me.

MidgardDragon
12-22-2007, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by KAL-EL_3
JOR-EL DOES NOT PUNISH CLARK SO PEOPLE STOP SAYING THAT!!!!

So Jor-El didn't take Clark's powers away in Season 5? Odd. :/

BadToad
12-28-2007, 11:35 PM
Or throw him to the ceiling and brand a house of El mark into his chest? Or choke Jonathan Kent and force Clark to get sucked into the cave wall? I'm pretty sure that sort of stuff counts as punishment.

berniepooh
12-29-2007, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by BadToad
Or throw him to the ceiling and brand a house of El mark into his chest? Or choke Jonathan Kent and force Clark to get sucked into the cave wall? I'm pretty sure that sort of stuff counts as punishment.

Ah, come on guys!!!! Don't go picking on Jor El - just because he doesn't know his own strength. On Krypton all the above described actions would be considered little love pats. What's a father to do??

Chlark_Fan_Always426
01-05-2008, 04:23 PM
I just joined and I hope I wont get in trouble for asking this but I missed the episode when it aired is there anywhere I can see it online?does The CW have it on their site by any chance?thanks

LoveHurts38
01-08-2008, 09:22 PM
I loved it enough said! 10

Cyclops1974
01-15-2008, 06:05 AM
Yeah...Uhm. Was going to give it a 7. Ending made it an 8.

Hated:

Lois and Grant (Grois?). Didn't like them together, seems like Lois goes after every goog looking guy she meets. Also, the acting wasn't confincing me that they liked each other enough to become lovers.
Grant being Julian being a clone or the 1st clone story in this ep. Didn't really work for me. It was too obvious. And in the end it's like Lois and Grant had forgotten all about the cloning thing. They just talked about their relation.
Clark behaving strange and than being Bizarro or the 2nd clone story in this ep. Don't get me wrong. Loved the ending. But it just made me wonder. Where was Bizarro all this time. Did Jor-El had him locked up somewhere in the Fortress? Why is Bizarro all good and saving the day and well like just the regular boy scout? Where does his knowledge about Lex and Milton Fine / Brainiac come from? Did Jor-El brainwashed Bizarro maybe? How did Jor-El managed to capture Clark in ice/crystal? Wouldn't Clark try to speed away? Too many questions!!! I Hope that we'll get some answers to that in the next episodes.


Loved:

Chimmy. Bringing them back together felt good and was well done. Great acting.
Clark behaving strange and than being Bizarro or the 2nd clone story in this ep. Yeah, loved how it turned out. I knew Clark was behaving different and early on I thought: "This ain't the Clarky boy we know at all! Maybe it could be Bizarro!", but as the episode progressed I started thinking: "No, Bizarro wouldn't save Chloe and be so kind to everyone. Maybe it's just bad writing (sorry guys, now I know it wasn't, hope you come back soon, with your fair share). And than the ending just rocked and made everything come together. It all made sense to me. And it really makes me want to watch the next episode. And any show that can do that is a great show in my opinion.

smallvillelogan
01-17-2008, 01:24 PM
Chlark_Fan_Always426, you can see the episode on YouTube. There are Spanish subtitles, but it didn't distract me too much. The episode is divided into five parts on YouTube.

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You can see the episode on YouTube. There is Spanish subtitles, but it wasn't too distracting for me. The episode is split into five parts.

Chlark_Fan_Always426
01-17-2008, 04:22 PM
thank you so much! I've been dying to see it now when the new episodes come on I wont be so lost lol

smallvillelogan
01-26-2008, 12:00 AM
You are welcome. :)

Mr. T
04-21-2008, 07:53 AM
Great Episode! I thought Clark was acting somewhat strange, but didn't think anything of it. They really got me at the end. I knew Braniac was coming back, I just didn't know when and in what way.

pizzaguy19
05-05-2008, 08:52 AM
There were 2 redeeming parts to this episode.

1) Julian is a clone - explains his age perfectly.

2) Bizzaro Clark

Absolutely everything else sucked about this episode. Did I mention I hate Clana and Chimmy with a passion?

Twelling_SV_L0VE
10-05-2008, 06:11 AM
I think this is the best episode from this season.
The fact that Chloe told Jimmy that she is a meteorfreak, that was amazing, and then the part with the elevator, that Clark rushed to it to open the doors and he saw that Jimmy and Chloe where kissing, and you saw at his face that he was a little bit shocked, that was greaaaat. And that the people were looking at Chimmy, that was funny :p

The ending was great! When i saw that it was Bizarro Clark and that Clark was frozen in the fortress, like omg I was so shockeeeeeed. :eek: I can't wait till next week! :D

WellingFan
11-18-2008, 10:12 AM
The ending to this episode was done in typical Smallville fashion.

All of the hapiness with Clark returning from the Fortress and having an intimate moment with Lana, it looked so nice and then Clark's face changed to stone and he was revealed to be the Phantom Bizarro! Mark Snow's dramatic music in that moment was perfect as the camera zoomed in towards the Fortress and then inside to a block of ice with the REAL Clark incased inside!

Sensational.

Clark/Lois-fan
02-25-2009, 03:48 PM
I absolutely loved it. I always love a christmas episode :D

Nimkong
03-03-2010, 10:18 AM
FAVORITE EPISODE OF THE SEASON AND 3 FAVORITE EPIODE EVER!Liked the plot,the brainac plot and the ending was AWSOME!!

SGuthrie27
11-20-2010, 07:16 PM
This is decidedly one of the finest episodes of Season 7 to me. I really liked pretty much everything about it. Lois' plot with Adrian-the-clone-bomber was cool. Chloe being trapped in the elevator WITH a bomb and Jimmy was climactic. Clark and Lana's plot line even didn't have me cringing. And to top it all off, with the amazing slow-mo super-save followed by the revelation that Clark wasn't Clark at all (and I honestly did NOT see that one coming AT ALL), makes this probably the one 10 out of 10 I will give for this entire season. Well done, Smallville. You are NOT the worst Secret Santa ever. :lol:

hadezown
04-16-2011, 03:28 AM
A fun episode. Just a few things bothered me. Like how Clark/Bizarro wasn't able to hear Chloe and Jimmy screaming in the elevator, and why a crazy man who was going to die anyway would bother putting a timer on the bomb. But that's just nitpicking, I guess.