Who shot Nathan?

[Alexander III]

His brother, from the future. Peter Petrelli :(

[Jredbird]

I think its Noah. He said he was rejoining the company

[Randy G.]

It was Noah (HRG). Ma Petrelli commissioned the hit.

[Alexander III]

But the killer walks like the future Peter

Really...? HRG? Wut did Nathan do? Turned bad at the end?

[Jredbird]

yeah ma petrelli and bob are the last 2 so they ordered the hit

[superman07]

Actually if it was HRG it would make some sense since he was forced to rejoin the company and they don't want anyone to reveal their secret.

But what I wanna know is how did they know he was going to say something, so it could've been future Peter....im lost

[STFanatic]

The conversation in the vault was on a Company camera.

[Randy G.]

Originally posted by STFanatic
The conversation in the vault was on a Company camera.

I was just about to say that. :)

[Mello Penelo]

It was HRG. Because he's a villain. Always was, always will be.

[smallville/hero fan#1]

because they were watching them in the room with a video camera, i think this episode ROCKED the director did a real good job with a the positioning of sylar in the end villains, though i do think that its not peter or HRG but a new character, he didnt have the right hair or walk for HRG and If u see on nbc.com the new graphic novel they are adding new characters, i think it might be a rogue member or associate

[JW_102792]

Maybe it was just me, but I thought it looked a lot like Sylar. I was kind of in shock of Nathan dying, so I didnt get a good look.

I don't think Angela organized it, but I think she knew about it before it happened. I doubt it was HRG, because it's too obvious. He starts working for the company, then someone kills Nathan as he's about to reveal the company, and people with powers.

Angela was probably talking to Bob, about how he "opened Pandora's box" by killing Nathan, because now he's got Peter coming after him, as well as all the others, and like Angela said "He's the most powerful of us all"

Hopefully Peter thinks to try his own blood to heal Nathan. I liked his character, and Adrian is a good actor to play him, imo.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by JW_102792
Maybe it was just me, but I thought it looked a lot like Sylar. I was kind of in shock of Nathan dying, so I didnt get a good look.

It wasn't Sylar. He couldn't get from NYC to Texas that fast. Not to mention, he hadn't even taken Claire's blood cocktail yet.

[Alexander III]

Originally posted by smallville/hero fan#1
because they were watching them in the room with a video camera, i think this episode ROCKED the director did a real good job with a the positioning of sylar in the end villains, though i do think that its not peter or HRG but a new character, he didnt have the right hair or walk for HRG and If u see on nbc.com the new graphic novel they are adding new characters, i think it might be a rogue member or associate

A new player? Umm...sounds cool.

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It was HRG. Because he's a villain. Always was, always will be.

Exactly! You can clearly see him walkin away towards the end of that scene. Sure he has his back to the viewer, but come on ...its him.

[Alexander III]

Originally posted by JW_102792
Maybe it was just me, but I thought it looked a lot like Sylar. I was kind of in shock of Nathan dying, so I didnt get a good look.

I don't think Angela organized it, but I think she knew about it before it happened. I doubt it was HRG, because it's too obvious. He starts working for the company, then someone kills Nathan as he's about to reveal the company, and people with powers.

Angela was probably talking to Bob, about how he "opened Pandora's box" by killing Nathan, because now he's got Peter coming after him, as well as all the others, and like Angela said "He's the most powerful of us all"

Hopefully Peter thinks to try his own blood to heal Nathan. I liked his character, and Adrian is a good actor to play him, imo.

But the way he walks, the way that guy walks resembles of Peter...its just my 9th sense! I can FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL it!!

[Randy G.]

It was clear on my TV. That was Jack Coleman walking away from the crowd.

[OnlyHax]

I'm just ticked nathan was killed off, you remove a solid actor and an OK character... only to have someone like Maya hang around... what is this world coming to.

[JW_102792]

Yeah, I know it isnt possible to be Sylar, it just looked a lot like him, to me anyways. Besides, he doesnt need his powers to use a gun. I'm sure I'll notice it isnt him if I watch it again.

PS. I know its against the rules to ask about downloading episodes, but this isnt really "downloading" -- If you consider this against the rules, please edit it out, or I'll remove it.

Basically, I was just wondering if theres a legal site where I can watch the episodes. I dont really want to download them, because thats the whole reason for the strike. But I'd really like to watch this episode again.

[Dpyro]

nbc.com/heroes it gives you full episodes a day later

[Dpyro]

i dont really think that we're going to get into his character he was probably just a pawn we want to know who is moving him he didnt kill nathan on his own someone definitley told him to kill him.. by the looks of it it has to be bob because in the begginning oof the episode he was trying to get claire to shut up and keep quiet and then when elle was in his office he did have a bunch of surveilance cameras set up already and he most definitley knows where the virus is so why not put a camera in there

[RCucs]

It was probably Noah. I am sure Bob was working behind the scenes with Nathan's mother. I so saw that coming when he was giving his speech. I just hope he is not dead, but I think he may be.

[Mello Penelo]

It was so HRG.

[Randy G.]

[Mod Note:] Threads merged (same subject).

[Alexander III]

Wut da...who am I merged with? Get him out of here. This is my thread! Btw Randy, wut happened to your old avi. C'mon man show urself!

[Randy G.]

Lol! It'll be back. I had to give props to some of my shows.
When I use it again, it'll be slightly retooled for the Holidays. :D

[Dpyro]

looks like we're merged buddies alexander

[Alexander III]

I guess so Dpyro...wut's our new merged name?
Dpyxander?

[JW_102792]

Originally posted by Dpyro
nbc.com/heroes it gives you full episodes a day later

Thanks! I appreciate it.

man... HRG shooting Nathan is just... Bleh! I mean, I know he didnt really have a choice, and it was to protect his family. But I mean come on, did they have to kill him? I mean, twice in the chest? Definitely killed him, unless Peter uses his brain and uses his blood.

Im kind of curious why Matt didnt try to use his power on HRG when he walked away. Do you think he was too far? I dont think it was, because in Season 1 when he had the raid on Primatech, didnt he read Noah's mind, with the Haitan blocking his power, from outside the building?

Or, why didnt Peter go after him. I mean sure, his brother just got shot, and Peter's probably in shock, but there's nothing he could do. Nathan was just about to give away his secret (I sound like Clark) so I dont see why Peter would be afraid to use his powers to capture his brother's killer.

[Mello Penelo]

Peter should have just levitated in front of them. Or if he was too shocked to do it, he should have a press conference of his own. Or jump in front of a camera live and on the air himself and fly. Or use one of his abilities.

[Marvelman]

I don't know that it was HRG. I re-watched the scene, and I can't say for sure that it was him. It was almost certainly the company that ordered the hit though.

[jazzylg]

It was obvious by the phone call. She seems to be the real villian!

[citizenlen]

HRG!, The army haircut gave it away.

[sgreen236]

I don't think it was HRG, he didn't walk like him nor did I see any glasses in the reflection of the window. DVRs rule.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

HRG, of course.

[tragichero25]

I have two theories as to who killed Nathan. What we definitley know about them is that they know Mrs. Petrelli, and that they're male.

1) HRG. He's back with the company, and his first assignment was to shut Claire up and stop her from exposing the company. Why can't his next one be the same for Nathan.
2) Peter. Last season Hiro came back from the future to change it by saving the cheerleader. Maybe this year, Peter came back to change the future again. Maybe Nathan's message to the word proved ill for the rest of the heroes in the future, and Peter had no choice but to stop Nathan.

[CallMeClark]

My first thought was that it was one of our characters from the future.

I think they build it up to be HRG. But when on Heroes is it ever how you expected?

[Rosa76]

Originally posted by Randy G.
It was Noah (HRG). Ma Petrelli commissioned the hit.





I thought so too,plus the back of him looked like Noah .:rolleyes:

[BaGz]

I'd say Noah as well, or a new upcoming badguy. I don't think it's west as he wouldn't even know who matt, peter, and nathan were and that they were about to expose his secret.

[thefilmguy22384]

unfortunately it was noah i think. im not sure how i feel about that one. true it may present some interesting drama next season but it takes some likability from the character. i really like noah. i dont wanna have a problem with him. but if he really killed nathan then i will. nathan dieing just doesnt seem right. there was more places for the character to go. he and claire never got much to do together. they should definately have peter heal him with his blood. i dont think many people wanna see "flying man" die

[Matro]

Originally posted by tragichero25
I have two theories as to who killed Nathan. What we definitley know about them is that they know Mrs. Petrelli, and that they're male.

1) HRG. He's back with the company, and his first assignment was to shut Claire up and stop her from exposing the company. Why can't his next one be the same for Nathan.
2) Peter. Last season Hiro came back from the future to change it by saving the cheerleader. Maybe this year, Peter came back to change the future again. Maybe Nathan's message to the word proved ill for the rest of the heroes in the future, and Peter had no choice but to stop Nathan.

I agree that it was probably Noah, ordered by Bob, that killed Nathan.

Doesn't make sense to me that it could be Peter. Unless Peter has gone crazy in the future I'm sure he could have found another way to stop Nathan other than killing him.

[Supermansthebest]

My vote - HRG

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

It was the men on the grassy knoll...

[Portdechar]

my vote is HRG too

[shadow4486]

It was Noah working for the company. I dont' think Ma Petrelli ordered any hit on her own son. I think more than anything she would protect them first before the company. Bob made HRG do it to prove his loyality to the company.

[blarjet]

It couldn't be Peter from the future, since ma Patrelli knew it was coming. A future Peter would be a surprise to her.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by Matro
I agree that it was probably Noah, ordered by Bob, that killed Nathan.

But you know HRG enjoyed it.

[Matro]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
But you know HRG enjoyed it.

He does seem to enjoy shooting people doesn't he :)

[Mello Penelo]

Well, he is a villain.

[Cyclops1974]

I'm thinking it's someone new. Some villain working for the company. Either that or just a hired killer, just an anonymous employee working for the company.

I also noticed the seemingly lack of glasses on the figure walking away. So no HRG.

Peter from the future just doesn't make any sense.

[Zeth Duuron]

There's absolutely no way it was Peter. He could disappear and cause harm to Nathan and Nathan would just slump over and die and no one would be the wiser.

And why does everybody think it was HRG? You guys were SO sure that the reflection Nathan saw in the mirror was Peter (Milo Ventmiglia looks NOTHING like Adrian Pasdar save coloring). I personally think it was Ma Petrelli herself. Nah, that doesn't make sense, not the way she talked on the phone. But it looked like Ma Petrelli from the back. I definitely don't think it was HRG.

[FTRPT]

Personally i think it was peter, and the whole point is to silence Nathan so the world DOESN'T know about their powers(That's why he used a gun rather than freezing time and killing him, whoever it was wanted to look like a normal murder).

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Alexander III
His brother, from the future. Peter Petrelli :(

WTF? That's random.

I say HRG, he said that he was forced to rejoin the company and it only makes sense that they'd use him to silence Nathan with force right after he silenced Claire. Plus, if he were to ever break his deal with the company and try to go back to his family, they could use the fact that he killed Claire's real father to their advantage. Claire would never forgive him and I doubt his wife would either.... and Lyle? He'd just be as confused as ever, lol. :lol:

[STFanatic]

I can see it.
HRG: "I killed your birth father Claire."
Claire: "What??"
Lyle: "Can I have a monkey?"

They really need to wake up Lyle.

[RedPhoenix23]

:rotfl:

Seriously! That kid is so slow! It's frightening.

[STFanatic]

I tried to get a clear shot (pun intended) of the shooter, from what I see it really doesn't look like the way HRG dresses, he is dressed more like Peter or Sylar would.


Shooter (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/Heroes%20Stuff/Killer.gif)

Shooter 2 (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/Heroes%20Stuff/Killer1.gif)

Shooter 3 (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/Heroes%20Stuff/Killer2.gif)

Then again, it may be a totally new character.

[Xanderman]

I thought it looked like Peter when they first showed him. Looks like Future Peter is going to be evil.

And it sort of looks like him in those shots Steve provided as well, it might be a sure thing.

[CallMeClark]

Yeah, I knew it wasn't HRG! ;p

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I hope its someone new, anything else would be a stretch.
Can't be Peter from the future because of the Ma petrelli conversation.
Noah?
perhaps but why hide it ?
The guy that killed JFK?
Maybe...
;)

[STFanatic]

A new character would make sense, how better to introduce a new "Villain" than have one kill (or possibly kill) a favorite character.
Many people will already hate him before he is even introduced.
It reminds me of how Sylar debuted, a shadowy figure who's face we don't get to see.

[bernardchin]

Just rewatched, it's DEFINITELY someone wearing horn rimmed glasses. More than likely Noah, even though he walks like Peter.
Heroes hasn't tricked us yet.

My problem is why did no one stop a man who's just had time to get a gun out, aim, fire two shots, put the gun away and then walk away from the scene pushing through the crowd?

[Iritscen]

He could have been in back of the crowd to begin with. At that point, security seems to have gotten crushed in/blocked by the crowd, and everyone else was looking forward at Nathan, so it kind of makes sense.

Thanks to STFanatic for the screencaps. I would do my own, but my DVR broke and I had to hook up a VCR to record the episode :(

My thought is, if it's Mirai Peter, maybe he knew that the future would be too terrible, and he had to do something. I will wait eagerly to find out the answer.

[pycer]

I think it's HRG. I love the character, and definately do not consider him to be a villian despite some obsessed haters around. Noah is man who is motivated solely to protect his family. He made a deal, knowing it would force him to do things he did not want to do and likely result in his death, just to protect his family. I think the deal he made with Bob was to kill Nathan in exchange for protecting his family. Bob knew whoever killed Nathan would be killed in any myriad of interesting ways by Peter, so why not throw Noah to the wolves? No skin off of Bob's evil nose.

However, those screen caps did make me rethink for a moment. The first one does look like HRG, but the other two...not so sure. Although distance and fuzziness make it very hard to tell.

I think the Peter theory is rather ridiculous for a number of reasons. Not the least of which, if future Peter wanted Nathan dead, he would not need a gun nor would he have done it that publicly and he would have no need to walk away, he would just teleport, or he could have been invisible...etc etc etc...

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by pycer
I think the Peter theory is rather ridiculous for a number of reasons. Not the least of which, if future Peter wanted Nathan dead, he would not need a gun nor would he have done it that publicly and he would have no need to walk away, he would just teleport, or he could have been invisible...etc etc etc... Good point, I thought about that as well. However maybe he wanted to make it look like an assassination from a "normal" for some reason. Again, it really does look a lot like Peter from those shots Steve gave us, and I thought it was him during the first viewing as well. Gotta stick with the instincts.

[Super Rocky]

2 things:
-HRG would not kill Claires real father. We all know how much he hates the company and now that he is back with his family and alive who is making him do it, it seems like the only company members we know of are Bob, who has no deadly power, then Elle and Mohinder who were both in New York.
-The reason noone saw the killer was possibly because Parkman telepathicly told them all to listen to them so they were all to focused on Nathan to notice anything.

[Mello Penelo]

Oh come on. It was totally HRG. He's a BAD man. He'd do anything for personal gain.

[Matro]

I forget, does Noah know that Nathan is Claire's father? If so, when did he find out?

[gategod]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
It wasn't Sylar. He couldn't get from NYC to Texas that fast. Not to mention, he hadn't even taken Claire's blood cocktail yet.

In the future he could kill Hiro meaning he could...

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Oh come on. It was totally HRG. He's a BAD man. He'd do anything for personal gain. HRG seems to care about protecting his family more than anything else, I'm not sure how this qualifies him as someone who only cares about himself (or personal gain). But he has shown that he's willing to do whatever he has to, including kill, to protect/maintain his family, so that makes him a definite suspect for shooting Nathan, as an outing of the mutant secret would risk Claire being found out.

Again, I just think it's Peter because it looked like him from behind. lol


Matro -- I think HRG does know, but I can't remember any proof of that right now, lol...

[pycer]

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Oh come on. It was totally HRG. He's a BAD man. He'd do anything for personal gain.

You are confusing HRG's motivations with that of Bob and Adam. HRG is out to protect his family, not for personal gain. IF that were the case, he would be out selling Claire's blood on the street. His motivation is purely the safety and security of his family.

[Raissa]

Originally posted by Xanderman
Matro -- I think HRG does know, but I can't remember any proof of that right now, lol...

Claire told him at Kirby Plaza:

N -- Peter Petrelli is your uncle.

C -- You didn't know?

N -- There were a lot of things they didn't tell me.

[Xanderman]

Thanks Raissa, that's right, a scene early on during 1-22 Landslide.

[spicyblark]

It actually looked like Peter, as terrible as that sounds.

[Iritscen]

Originally posted by pycer
I think the Peter theory is rather ridiculous for a number of reasons. [enumerated by Iritscen]

1. If future Peter wanted Nathan dead, he would not need a gun

2. Nor would he have done it that publicly

3. And he would have no need to walk away, he would just teleport

4. Or he could have been invisible...etc etc etc...

1. He would if he wanted to kill in front of a crowd like that. I mean, he's trying to prevent people from knowing about the Heroes, not publicize them.

2. Unless he needed to make sure that Nathan was going to say it. I wasn't sure myself that he was until his sentence started with, "I have the ability--", and right when I realized he was going to go through with it, the shots came. So maybe Peter needed to be sure first. Even if he's from the future, and knows it's going to happen, it's his own brother, so he procrastinates until it's almost too late.

3. Again, if it gets caught on camera, that's proving there are people with powers. This way, it could be political. Look at Robert Kennedy, he was a senator running for President just like Nathan could have been, and no one knows why he was shot to this day, conspiracies-lacking-evidence notwithstanding.

4. This one's hard to explain unless Peter is just trying that hard to make it look like a "normal" did it. Of course, he could have been identified, making this a risky choice on his part. It is hard to reconcile, I admit.

[Matro]

Originally posted by Iritscen

2. Unless he needed to make sure that Nathan was going to say it. I wasn't sure myself that he was until his sentence started with, "I have the ability--", and right when I realized he was going to go through with it, the shots came. So maybe Peter needed to be sure first. Even if he's from the future, and knows it's going to happen, it's his own brother, so he procrastinates until it's almost too late.



It seems that all it would take is a conversation to stop Nathan from having this conference. If it was Peter coming back from the future that is.

[flying_girl]

i agree matro. all future peter would need to do is come to peter before the press conference and tell himself its a bad idea. the one person peter is sure to listen to is himself.

[pumpkineater]

the shooter was in the middle of the crowd. no way he could pull out a gun and shoot nathan without the people around him hearing his gun fire and seeing him with a gun and seeing smoke come from the gun.

im guessing the power to materialize bullets out of thin air. perfect power for a hit man :)

[Iritscen]

Originally posted by flying_girl
i agree matro. all future peter would need to do is come to peter before the press conference and tell himself its a bad idea. the one person peter is sure to listen to is himself.

Yeah, and it's just hard to see Peter taking out his brother; how much would have to happen to make him that evil? Well, I wanted to make the argument just to see where it lead. Maybe it's a new character after all. I definitely don't think the guy's head shape resembles HRG, though.

[citizenlen]

It was the men on the grassy knoll...

So instead of Oliver Stone's JFK , the next chapter title will be Tim Kring's HRG

[j-kent]

Originally posted by pumpkineater
the shooter was in the middle of the crowd. no way he could pull out a gun and shoot nathan without the people around him hearing his gun fire and seeing him with a gun and seeing smoke come from the gun.

im guessing the power to materialize bullets out of thin air. perfect power for a hit man :)

that's not sci fi..that's just pure crazy

[rocana]

I rewatched this... and as this guy is walking away, two cops run past him without giving him so much as a glance. Also, not one person was worried someone around them was shooting people... every person looked like they wanted to snap a picture of Nathan dieing... the scene was utterly unbelieveable and would never happen like that in real life. I mean this is a Police Station and someone can walk in shoot somebody at a high press event and casually walk out of the station with no one paying attention?? I'm sorry, but this type of thing would be bigger than any story in the news now, and investigations into it would create more attention to what was going on and what he was about to say, than if they hadnt shot him at all? You think everyone is going to be like.... he sounded like he was gonna say something important, but he's dead now so I guess it wasnt that important? NOOOO, it would become a national sensation until every detail was unveiled and it would be a bigger deal than if the assanation didnt happen at all.... poorly thought out anyway you think of it.... maybe that's the real pandora's box.... but somehow I think the news story will end up being minor when they come back... just wait

[pgadlin]

We have a dvr and I was trying to figure it out,, so I rewound and slo motioned through the shooters getaway. To me it looked like Adam. If you pay close attention to the way Adam (kensei) walks, the shooter walked away exactly the same way.

[rocana]

If it was Adam then time travel would have to be involved somehow since he's in the ground at the moment... I don't think it's Noah either since the body type looks all wrong and is dressed in a totally different style than he normally does... and after all it wouldn't be very wise to send someone that Nathan, Peter and Matt have all met before... but then again, wisdom didn't seem to be used very often in this episode so who knows?

[STFanatic]

I thought I had posted this already:

Killer Walk (http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/Heroes%20Stuff/?action=view&current=Killerwalk.flv)


It may have been in another thread.

I am 99.999% sure it is not Kensi/Adam.

[Matro]

I'm leaning towards it being someone new.

1. For it to be Peter, Peter would have to have lost his mind.

2. I doubt Noah would knowingly kill his daughter's real father, even under his current circumstances.

3. The Company has to have more resources other than Bob, Elle, Mohinder, and now Noah again.

[STFanatic]

I am with you, I think that TPTB are wanting us to speculate on who did the shooting to keep the interest going during this extended off season.

[razor7256]

hey pplz this is my first post!!!! i think it was sylar acutally if nathan was aloud 2 reveral that people have ablities i think it would make it hard for sylar to obtain new ones