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Ginx

11-26-2007, 08:17 PM

To tell the world about them - is lame. Does she really think the world will be any different than the company with hunting her down to use her blood to heal? She's really kidding herself if she thinks that there wouldn't be 30 million people hunting her down just to draw pints of her blood. She'd really be locked up and used for all kinds of experiments.

And that's just her - all of the 'heroes' would be royally screwed by that plan. Doesn't she read comics? Obviously not. The world fears what it does not understand.

prairiefire

11-26-2007, 08:40 PM

Honestly. I loved Claire last season. Now I hate her and wish her screen time wasn't so wasted. Her plan is really retarded and wtf. The company is alot different now with Bob in charge. They are trying to use her miracle blood to help people but shes all stupid.

Ginx

11-26-2007, 08:44 PM

I agree. I did sorta like Claire last season but this season is just boring and blah. She's back to before anything happened to her. She hasn't learned anything really from all that happened to her!! It's frustrating.

Alexander III

11-26-2007, 09:28 PM

Odysseus

11-26-2007, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Ginx
To tell the world about them - is lame. Does she really think the world will be any different than the company with hunting her down to use her blood to heal? She's really kidding herself if she thinks that there wouldn't be 30 million people hunting her down just to draw pints of her blood. She'd really be locked up and used for all kinds of experiments.

And that's just her - all of the 'heroes' would be royally screwed by that plan. Doesn't she read comics? Obviously not. The world fears what it does not understand.

Exactly. And why does she think Elle and Bob "will be the ones running from now on"? When people hear that Claire's blood is a miracle cure, they're not gonna pay attention when Claire tries to add "and these mean people called the Company came..."

People are just gonna be in a mad rush to take Claire's blood. They might not even believe her when she says there's a Company that hunted her. They'll be like "Bob who? Elle what? Just gimme some of your blood!"

zaraf

11-27-2007, 12:07 AM

I think this is the result of the writer's strike. By this episode they started to write a whole lot of junk and loopholes.

MidgardDragon

11-27-2007, 12:43 AM

Err, if this is a result of the writer's strike then why were the past 4 or 5 episodes so great? I think this is just a little lull before they go out on a cliffhanger for the hiatus (which will instead be the off-season, I guess, since the strike doesn't seem to be ending).

Jaded Wolf

11-27-2007, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Ginx
To tell the world about them - is lame. Does she really think the world will be any different than the company with hunting her down to use her blood to heal? She's really kidding herself if she thinks that there wouldn't be 30 million people hunting her down just to draw pints of her blood. She'd really be locked up and used for all kinds of experiments.

And that's just her - all of the 'heroes' would be royally screwed by that plan. Doesn't she read comics? Obviously not. The world fears what it does not understand.

I don't think it is so much of she belives the world will protect her but rather exposing the company would get the government, the media, and all kinds of activist involved and will force the Company to come out of the shadows it hides behind.

I am liking Claire this season despite what others are saying. She's tepping forward and growing up quickly as she adapts to the unfortunate circumstances that are happening in her life. In her defense, she wants to live a normal, teenage "I'm a cheerleader" life but finding out that despite her wishes she cannot do so. Give her character a break and just sit back and watch as her character matures.

closetclana

11-27-2007, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Jaded Wolf
I am liking Claire this season despite what others are saying. She's tepping forward and growing up quickly as she adapts to the unfortunate circumstances that are happening in her life. In her defense, she wants to live a normal, teenage "I'm a cheerleader" life but finding out that despite her wishes she cannot do so. Give her character a break and just sit back and watch as her character matures.

I have to agree. I think we've seen a lot of growth from Claire this season. While I agree that her "plan" is faulty, the idea that she is ready to stand up and face things is a good sign. Hopefully facing her father's death will be the thing that makes the maturity stick.

I'm liking West and her togeather more and more too.

flying_girl

11-27-2007, 02:38 PM

i also like west more. i liked that he convinced claire not to get her memory wiped. as for claire's threat, its probably just a threat, i doubt she'll go through with it. she just wants to freak elle out.

Matro

11-27-2007, 02:49 PM

Claire isn't the brightest girl. Look at her mom and her brother, they're border-line retarded. Noah was the guiding light for that family. They are gonna be lost without him and make some dumb mistakes.

dizi

11-27-2007, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Matro
Claire isn't the brightest girl. Look at her mom and her brother, they're border-line retarded. Noah was the guiding light for that family. They are gonna be lost without him and make some dumb mistakes.

:rotfl:

HRG knew they would act like this when he isn't around...Poor guy, he is still trying so hard...

This whole season Claire acted like the first season's events didn't happen. Her biggest concerns were dating West, cheerleading and scaring other cheerleaders. Why did the writers write her character this way, I don't know...

Barogrei

11-27-2007, 03:24 PM

Claire isn't genetically related to HRG, her adopted mother, or her brother, so if you are looking for a genetic basis for the unintelligence you claim to see in Claire, you can't look at them for that. I guess you could say that her mother raised her not to be incredibly bright, though.

Matro

11-27-2007, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Barogrei
Claire isn't genetically related to HRG, her adopted mother, or her brother, so if you are looking for a genetic basis for the unintelligence you claim to see in Claire, you can't look at them for that. I guess you could say that her mother raised her not to be incredibly bright, though.

I wasn't looking for any kind of basis for her being dumb. Although, it is probably her mom's doing. Noah was most likely away from home a lot due to the demanding work of The Company. Leaving Mrs. Bennett all alone with the brats. All her mom cared about was Mr. Muggles' dog shows.

This does give West a time to shine though.

dizi

11-27-2007, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Matro
I wasn't looking for any kind of basis for her being dumb. Although, it is probably her mom's doing. Noah was most likely away from home a lot due to the demanding work of The Company. Leaving Mrs. Bennett all alone with the brats. All her mom cared about was Mr. Muggles' dog shows.

This does give West a time to shine though.

Although I'm obsessed with HRG, I must say that this is all HRG's fault. Every time the Haitian erased her memory, she became more and more stupid. God knows how many times he did that. He shouldn't have married in the first place, what was he thinking back then?

superman07

11-27-2007, 04:03 PM

Yea i agree when i heard her plan i was just like wow that is the stupidest thing i've heard:lol: if anything people will continue to hunt her even more...poor simple minded claire

JudasAce

11-27-2007, 04:28 PM

Her plan isn't that bad.

She's screwed if the company decides to take her down, and she knows it. Since she doesn't have the power to take on or take down the company, she's doing the equivalent of loading herself up with explosives and saying "I know I can't beat you, but if you don't back off, I'll blow us ALL to hell."

taolbi

11-27-2007, 04:53 PM

Barogrei

11-27-2007, 06:19 PM

What do you mean when you say that environment makes up 90% of neural development? I can understand part of where you're coming from, in that if one was not raised with other human beings and did not ever learn language, it would be difficult to have abstract conceptualizations and the level of functioning that we consider to be "intelligent." However, on the other side of the coin, our genetic code and the brain structure it implies is pivotal to having our degree of intelligence. If our genetic code was altered to one of a cat or deer, we could not have anywhere near the "neural development" that one with the genetic code of a human could. I guess you could mean that between the variances that could occur within a genetic code and still qualify as "human", and the variances in an environment an individual could grow up in, the latter affects people far more significantly. But is this necessarily the case? I don't think that quantifying the percentage that either environment or your genetic makeup influence intelligence is of much efficacy at all.

closetclana

11-27-2007, 09:41 PM

^ you know this is just an internet board where we chat about TV shows for fun right?

Alexander III

11-27-2007, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Barogrei
What do you mean when you say that environment makes up 90% of neural development? I can understand part of where you're coming from, in that if one was not raised with other human beings and did not ever learn language, it would be difficult to have abstract conceptualizations and the level of functioning that we consider to be "intelligent." However, on the other side of the coin, our genetic code and the brain structure it implies is pivotal to having our degree of intelligence. If our genetic code was altered to one of a cat or deer, we could not have anywhere near the "neural development" that one with the genetic code of a human could. I guess you could mean that between the variances that could occur within a genetic code and still qualify as "human", and the variances in an environment an individual could grow up in, the latter affects people far more significantly. But is this necessarily the case? I don't think that quantifying the percentage that either environment or your genetic makeup influence intelligence is of much efficacy at all.

Calm yourself

newfan

11-28-2007, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by dizi
Although I'm obsessed with HRG, I must say that this is all HRG's fault. Every time the Haitian erased her memory, she became more and more stupid. God knows how many times he did that. He shouldn't have married in the first place, what was he thinking back then?

:rotfl:

Who knows what he was thinking!! He wasnt obviously..I mean..he can do better then her! :p

dizi

11-28-2007, 12:20 AM

Who knows what he was thinking!! He wasnt obviously..I mean..he can do better then her!

:lol: Poor woman...You know, they don't want unmarried people in the organisations like the Company. Maybe he needed to get married! :lol:

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newfan

11-28-2007, 12:24 AM

Ya maybe he felt sorry for her..took pity on her! :rotfl: I mean that has to be the explanation for it!

closetclana

11-28-2007, 01:12 PM

Maybe HRG needed someone who he could easily manipulate and control that’s why he married her. And who knows, maybe he is really fond of dogs - the real ones - well, you know what I mean - no, not in THAT way.

dizi

11-28-2007, 03:46 PM

By the way, does HRG like Mr Muggles? I'm not sure if he even likes his son..Lyle didn't seem sorry at the funeral...:)

Barogrei

11-28-2007, 04:25 PM

^ you know this is just an internet board where we chat about TV shows for fun right?
Well, I guess. I enjoy critically discussing things with other people. I would think that we are allowed to question the assertions made by others and trying to investigate some issues brought up by different TV shows. I mean, I guess we could confine our discussion to unsupported expletives such as "West is such a jerk!" or "Clark is such a BDA!", but I'd actually like to look into stuff from the show and think about the implications. This is not to say that you shouldn't ever just express your instinctual opinions, it's kinda interesting to hear different people's gut reactions, but I like to talk about stuff in addition to that. I hope I didn't come off as angry or anything, I just like to actually think about what people say.