So is Hiro going to let Adam just walk away?

[Xanderman]

It looks like Hiro has decided he will let his father die. Does that mean he will also let his killer just walk away after the fall? Because that would be the dumbest thing in the world, and I will probably complain about it until the end of the series.

Technically this should be the end of the line for Adam. There's no excuse for Hiro not to end him right here. If not before the fall to save his father, then afterward for justice/revenge.

[Randy G.]

Somehow, Hiro will find out from Pete or Claire, that they stay dead as long as something is rammed into
the brain itself (i.e., a piece of glass, or stick of wood), and he will incapacitate Adam just long enough to slice & dice him into a million little pieces.

[Praxis]

Hiro will let Adam/Kensei leave so as not to mess with time; he'll jump back to the present (father's funeral, remember?), and then go and find Adam and kick his scrawny butt.

Still, 400 years of training will give Adam quite an edge. Can you imagine how long he's been planning to meet Hiro again? Heck, he's probably narrowed it down to knowing when he'll meet Hiro again; consider that he knew Hiro's father. He probably watched Hiro grow up, knowing what Hiro would someday do. He should be expecting Hiro to show up any day now, as he's in the proper age range.

But there's really not a lot he can do if Hiro freezes time and puts a sword through his head.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Randy G.
Somehow, Hiro will find out from Pete or Claire, that they stay dead as long as something is rammed into
the brain itself (i.e., a piece of glass, or stick of wood), and he will incapacitate Adam just long enough to slice & dice him into a million little pieces. Lol, I'm surprised Hiro can't figure out for himself a way to kill him. I'm sure a simple Highlander style beheading would do it.


Originally posted by Praxis
Hiro will let Adam/Kensei leave so as not to mess with time; he'll jump back to the present (father's funeral, remember?), and then go and find Adam and kick his scrawny butt.

Still, 400 years of training will give Adam quite an edge. Can you imagine how long he's been planning to meet Hiro again? Heck, he's probably narrowed it down to knowing when he'll meet Hiro again; consider that he knew Hiro's father. He probably watched Hiro grow up, knowing what Hiro would someday do. He should be expecting Hiro to show up any day now, as he's in the proper age range.

But there's really not a lot he can do if Hiro freezes time and puts a sword through his head. Yeah, the whole not messing with time thing is probably what will save Adam from Hiro's wrath here...too bad. And I agree about the 400 years of training thing, Adam is probably the greatest fighter alive (and who's ever lived). Hiro's ability to stop/manipulate time is probably one of the reasons Adam hooked up with Peter. He probably intends to use Peter somehow in his battle against Hiro.

[Ginx]

LOL @ the last one.

I think that Hiro would have been able to forgive Adam for betraying him in Japan - but Hiro WILL NOT forgive Adam killing his father.

I think that Hiro will take down Adam if he has to - to save the world. Trust no one, save the world ;)

[Matro]

I think it's possible that Adam has no idea that Mr. Nakamura is Hiro's dad.

[Zeth Duuron]

Now that's definitely not possible. As many resources as Adam has had at his disposal at one time or another, there's no way he doesn't know that Kaito is Hiro's dad. But if you guys saw the preview for next week, apparently Hiro confronts Peter with a katana at his throat. The only justification I can see for this is that he sees Peter in cahoots with Adam and therefore treats him as a traitor until proven otherwise.

[Matro]

Originally posted by Zeth Duuron
Now that's definitely not possible. As many resources as Adam has had at his disposal at one time or another, there's no way he doesn't know that Kaito is Hiro's dad. But if you guys saw the preview for next week, apparently Hiro confronts Peter with a katana at his throat. The only justification I can see for this is that he sees Peter in cahoots with Adam and therefore treats him as a traitor until proven otherwise.

There are a couple of possibilities I guess.

1. What happened to Adam 400 years ago is a distant memory.

2. Adam really has managed to hold a 400 year grudge against Hiro.

If 1 is true then he probably doesn't know he killed Hiro's dad.

[QuackQuack]

Just a though here about Adam knowing who Hiro's father is...

Adam was basically isolated and in jail for 30 years and may have never met or known that Mr. Nakamura had a child and if he did who it was. It doesn't sound like Hiro went to the Center or Facility while he was a kid, so it's unlikely Adam would have seen or herd of Hiro.

So, it's unlikely that Adam knows who Hiro's father is.

Adam also wouldn't necessarily know what time Hiro came from, other than he came from the future. However, he did introduce himself to Kensi/Adam as Hiro Nakamura when they first met.

The question is whether Adam remembers Hiro's full name from 400 years ago (that's a lot of time to forget a name). If he did, he might have made the association, or he might have been following the family lineage for centuries, waiting to find Hiro.

Also 400 years is a long time to carry a grudge against somebody.

I also think it's too early to assume that he's getting back at Hiro by killing his father. The reason here is because he's killing all of the original "Heroes" and not just Hiro's father.

Anyway, just some things to think about.

[taolbi]

Originally posted by QuackQuack

Anyway, just some things to think about.


welcome!

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Ginx
Trust no one, save the world ;) Lol your new motto for this season sounds like a cross between Heroes and The X-Files.:cool:


Originally posted by Matro
There are a couple of possibilities I guess.

1. What happened to Adam 400 years ago is a distant memory.

2. Adam really has managed to hold a 400 year grudge against Hiro.

If 1 is true then he probably doesn't know he killed Hiro's dad. Based on Kensei's last words to Hiro, #2 is far more likely.


Originally posted by QuackQuack
Adam was basically isolated and in jail for 30 years Or at least that's the story that was given Peter, which may have all been solely for his benefit. It seems pretty obvious that that whole escape thing was staged. Come on, they put Peter in the room right beside him? With the ability to talk to each other through the vents or whatever? Come on. Adam is probably the secret leader of the Company, calling the shots from behind the scenes. And poor (godlike) Peter is just an easy mark because he's still very trusting and naive.


Originally posted by Praxis
Hiro will let Adam/Kensei leave so as not to mess with time; he'll jump back to the present (father's funeral, remember?), and then go and find Adam and kick his scrawny buttConsider though that Future Hiro from last season didn't live by this rule. He went back in time to try and avert the disaster, and ultimately succeeded. The past he knew was completely changed. Things turned out to apparently be for the better, but it could have ended up worse -- and maybe it will end up worse, if the future Peter saw comes true.

[taolbi]

hiro's gonna grab kensei and tele to the Dino era, before the big bang or w/e the hell killed them

and then there's gonna be a big "boom"
and kensei will be phvcked




editor's note: dont take the big bang thing seriously...everyone knows that it was all Hubbard and scientology

[Praxis]

Adam was basically isolated and in jail for 30 years and may have never met or known that Mr. Nakamura had a child and if he did who it was. It doesn't sound like Hiro went to the Center or Facility while he was a kid, so it's unlikely Adam would have seen or herd of Hiro.

So, it's unlikely that Adam knows who Hiro's father is.

I disagree; Kaito clearly recognized his killer, and he knew all of the company founders (recall he was sending them pictures). And all of the people in the photos knew who was coming for them (it's been established that Angela and Bob both knew about Adam).

They definitely knew each other.


Consider though that Future Hiro from last season didn't live by this rule. He went back in time to try and avert the disaster, and ultimately succeeded. The past he knew was completely changed. Things turned out to apparently be for the better, but it could have ended up worse -- and maybe it will end up worse, if the future Peter saw comes true.

Future Hiro stated that he was "risking a rift just by coming here", he definitely had some reason he did not like changing the past.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Praxis
Future Hiro stated that he was "risking a rift just by coming here", he definitely had some reason he did not like changing the past. Yes but the point is he was willing to risk it, and all for Ando apparently... Lol I guess his dad doesn't matter as much as his precious Ando... :lol:

[Praxis]

Originally posted by Xanderman
Yes but the point is he was willing to risk it, and all for Ando apparently... Lol I guess his dad doesn't matter as much as his precious Ando... :lol:

More like the death of 20 million people and a witch-hunt with the killing off of all powered people as well as Ando's death outweighing his father's life.

[Xanderman]

It's funny that he was willing to make a major change to the past (saving NY), and to hell with the consequences, yet saving the life of one man (Sulu) is something that's too chancy on the space-time con-tinuum? lol (the hyphen is there because the board thought I was saying something dirty the other way...ha) So yeah he saved NY all right, but the new future might be much worse (the one Peter visited). Way to go, Future Hiro. lol

[4Clana]

Originally posted by Xanderman
It's funny that he was willing to make a major change to the past (saving NY), and to hell with the consequences, yet saving the life of one man (Sulu) is something that's too chancy on the space-time con-tinuum?
Hiro letting Sulu die wasn't about the space-time continu-um. I mean, he did just travel to the past to save Sulu. He interacted with him, warned him, so that act in itself is just the same as FHiro having gone back to warn Peter. He did risk a rift in the space-time continu-um for his dad (they even time travelled together, sweet!), the result is just different. Just as Peter was free to do whatever he wanted with the information FHiro gave him, Sulu was free to do whatever he wanted with that information; but where Peter chose to save Claire's life, Sulu chose to accept his impending death.

The point wasn't about the space-time continu-um it was about making sure Hiro understood that he shouldn't play God. By honoring Kaito's wishes, Hiro allowed for free will, Kaito was free to choose his own destiny. If Hiro had saved Kaito against Kaito's own wishes, then he would have been playing God. This is in contrast to Matt, who in the very same episode, is playing God, making people do what he wants them to do, at every turn (Molly, his boss, Angela Petrelli).

[Xanderman]

Very well said 4Clana, loved the analogies.:cool:

And yeah Matt's shaping up to be quite the "anti-Hiro" isn't he, lol he was scum in Five Years Gone, chances are he'll be scum again (maybe not as scummy, but still dirt). heh (Funny thing is he didn't really seem more powerful in that future...he was just doing basic mind reading, that's it...hmm wonder why)

Oh, and I hope Sulu's last words are "Beam me up, God." lol

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Xanderman
Matt's shaping up to be quite the "anti-Hiro"

lol :lol:

[Matro]

Originally posted by Xanderman
(Funny thing is he didn't really seem more powerful in that future...he was just doing basic mind reading, that's it...hmm wonder why)

Possibly because he hadn't met his dad in that future yet.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
lol :lol: thanks:cool:


Originally posted by Matro
Possibly because he hadn't met his dad in that future yet. Don't the advancements just come with time? If someone else with the power was required to trigger them in some way or whatever, then how did his father ever get more powerful? Surely in five years time Matt would have gained/discovered his new abilities on his own, meeting/interacting with his father or not.

[Matro]

Originally posted by Xanderman

Don't the advancements just come with time? If someone else with the power was required to trigger them in some way or whatever, then how did his father ever get more powerful? Surely in five years time Matt would have gained/discovered his new abilities on his own, meeting/interacting with his father or not.

He could have always had the power. He just didn't know he did until his dad told him. He may have found out eventually accidentally but after meeting his dad he actively tried to control other peoples brains.

[Xanderman]

I guess that's possible. But five years is a long time....you'd think he would have stumbled upon what he was capable of in that amount of time, if only by accident, with or without being told what he could do if he tried.