So is Claire immortal??

[Alexander III]

Ma Petrelli said Adam's cellular regeneration is so great that he'll even stop aging. Will Claire witness the same destiny? The destiny of becoming immortal:confused:

[STFanatic]

I think she will be.
What Mama Petrelli said was something to the effect that when someone keeps regenerating, they "will" stop aging.

[closetclana]

It looks that way. She and Adam need to hook up.

[Xanderman]

As I've said before, the regenerating ability doesn't make a person "immortal". Both Adam and Claire can be killed by the right attack. Regenerating allows them to remain young forever, but that does not make them immortal.

If you can die or be killed, then by definition you're not immortal.

[Alexander III]

Wut right attack? Like chop their damn heads off...that oughta kill them lol.

[Randy G.]

Originally posted by Alexander III
Wut right attack? Like chop their damn heads off...that oughta kill them lol.

Okay, I just pictured that in my mind, and Claire grew a little head back like the alien guy in Men In Black.
It kept growing bigger & bigger, until it was finally full-sized. :lol:

[Xanderman]

lol


Personally I think beheading would kill them, but others believe their entire body would grow back (which I highly doubt). Randy brought up the opposite, more humorous possibility that they would sprout new heads instead. lol

But other than that, blowing them up to bits, hacking them to pieces, or destroying the brain, will finish them. As long as the important part in the brain is destroyed, healing ain't happening.

[Praxis]

I'm unsure if even cutting off their head would do it; the body may eventually grow back. I mean, clearly they can regenerate at least a small part of brain matter, as we've seen them regenerate from glass shards (Peter) and bullets inside the brain (Noah), as well as being completely burned alive (Kensei).

Frankly, I'd just tie them to something heavy and drop them in the ocean, just to be sure. Once their lungs fill with water and they lose consciousness, they're not going anywhere, and eventually every cell will have died from oxygen deprivation.

In lieu of an ocean (or tossing them into space), an explosion that *completely* vaporizes them should do the trick.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

They stayed "dead" when an object ( wood/glass) was stuck in the back of their heads, probably separating the cervical vertebra so ye, they can be killed and beheading would be the way.

[pycer]

Im unsure...I mean, logic says that there should be some way to kill them for good, but the evidence points to the contrary. They only stayed dead so long as the shard was in their heads, soon as it was removed, they were alive again. Adam stated to Peter something to the effect of 'if they could have killed me, they would have' which indicates to me that they attempted to, and no doubt tried to kill him, only they couldn't.

Back on topic, though, I do beleive Mamma P was indicating that Claire would become like Adam and stop ageing herself at some point.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

its been suggested on the show that damaging the brain or removing it will kill claire and peter but no1 knows for sure that this is the way to kill them for good (we the viewers know that attacking the brains the key to killing them but the characters dont), claire used her experience of resurrection to help peter, but no1 seen it happen and claire doesnt know that its the brain thats the key to killing them for good

so bascially until the characters on the show other than sylar learn that the brains the key no1 can kill claire, peter and adam so they are in effect immortal since its the only way so far to kill them

[CallMeClark]

Claire can't grow her head back. If her CNS is cut from her body she can't regenerate it.

[Praxis]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
its been suggested on the show that damaging the brain or removing it will kill claire and peter but no1 knows for sure that this is the way to kill them for good (we the viewers know that attacking the brains the key to killing them but the characters dont), claire used her experience of resurrection to help peter, but no1 seen it happen and claire doesnt know that its the brain thats the key to killing them for good

so bascially until the characters on the show other than sylar learn that the brains the key no1 can kill claire, peter and adam so they are in effect immortal since its the only way so far to kill them

Suggested? Sylar removed Claire's brain in the future and she died. Looks pretty clear that removing the brain will kill Claire.

[Rafael122]

She cut off her toe and it grew back. If she's beheaded, wouldn't that mean her head grows back too?

But yes, she could die, just like that piece of glass that was stuck in her head.

Adam, IMO has a much more advanced gene. I would think Claire eventually gets to that point and becomes immortal.

[Coyote]

Cutting off the head only works on Highlander. Claire probably would regenerate from it. Maybe if you blasted her to tiny bloody bits with high explosives that might do it. But even the tiny bits might regenerate and eventually grow into a full sized Claire, if there was any DNA at all left to use for a blueprint. It might be almost impossible to kill Claire and Adam without instantly and completely disintegrating them into nothing.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by Rafael122
But yes, she could die, just like that piece of glass that was stuck in her head.

Peter had a piece of glass in his head. Claire had a tree in hers.

[Chaos_Theory]

Didn't Peter blow up? Or was it just energy being released from him? Because if he blew up, and regenerated, then I'm sure cutting heads off won't work?

[thedarknight]

Originally posted by Chaos_Theory
Didn't Peter blow up? Or was it just energy being released from him? Because if he blew up, and regenerated, then I'm sure cutting heads off won't work?

I pretty sure he didn't blow up. As he was still fully clothed.

[jazzylg]

He just went nuke, like the guy who's powers he absorbed(ted). Ted only had 1 ability, and his body was obviously adjusted to handle the power.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Coyote
Cutting off the head only works on Highlander. Claire probably would regenerate from it. Maybe if you blasted her to tiny bloody bits with high explosives that might do it. But even the tiny bits might regenerate and eventually grow into a full sized Claire, if there was any DNA at all left to use for a blueprint. It might be almost impossible to kill Claire and Adam without instantly and completely disintegrating them into nothing. Lol if this were true, which it isn't, another Claire should have grown from the toe she cut off. Or from hairs that fall off her head. That doesn't happen. Even if it did somehow happen, it wouldn't be Claire, just a mindless genetic copy of her, as memories/knowledge are not stored in the DNA, only in the brain itself, gained through the process of life/experience.

I believe a beheading would kill them because as someone else has mentioned, severing those important spinal nerves renders the brain basically dead. And when the brain can't work, we've seen that both Claire and Peter enter into a "vegetative" or coma like state (their eyes show them to be in a unique state -- not truly dead). Once the hindrance to proper brain function is removed, the body reactivates and wounds heal. So in the case of a beheading, the only way I see them coming back from that is if the severed head is placed back on the body.

Claire's brain was removed in Five Years Gone by Sylar, possibly even eaten (we don't know yet what Sylar does). It was implied that Claire was killed here. Claire will NOT grow a new brain with no brain or at least part of a brain to work with. De-braining Claire/Adam will definitely kill them for good. lol

Neither Claire nor Adam are remotely immortal by its true definition, as there are many ways they can be killed. However, they will never die a natural death (like due to aging).


Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Peter had a piece of glass in his head. Claire had a tree in hers. :lol: Haha, a tree in hers. lol:D

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by Praxis
Suggested? Sylar removed Claire's brain in the future and she died. Looks pretty clear that removing the brain will kill Claire.

was any1 around to witness it when sylar did that to claire no thats what my last post stated (so we the viewers know that removing or impaling the brain kills claire, peter and adam. BUT no1 on the show other than sylar knows how to kill them)

last season the female cop that worked with matt she was working on sylars case and she and her work colleagues didnt even know why sylar was cutting off peoples heads, so until the characters in the present timeline of the show learn that going after the brain kills claire, peter and adam no1 will be able to kill them

[jimmyolsenblues]

I agree Claire will be immortal.
But I have a question ... How many people are related to Adam, i mean he is been alive for hundreds of years, wouldn't have had hundreds of decedents by now?

[superpal1]

yes she is. NUFF said.

[Matro]

She isn't immortal by definition but she will eventually stop aging.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by Xanderman
:lol: Haha, a tree in hers. lol:D

:p

[flying_girl]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
was any1 around to witness it when sylar did that to claire no thats what my last post stated (so we the viewers know that removing or impaling the brain kills claire, peter and adam. BUT no1 on the show other than sylar knows how to kill them)

last season the female cop that worked with matt she was working on sylars case and she and her work colleagues didnt even know why sylar was cutting off peoples heads, so until the characters in the present timeline of the show learn that going after the brain kills claire, peter and adam no1 will be able to kill them

but everyone knew that if you shoot peter in the head he'd die cuz he told claire you know where to shoot, and when she took out the gun the first time hrg learned and when she took out the gun the second time everyone learned cuz they were all at kirby plaza except for hiro who was than in the past

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

actually if you watch it again he tells her to shoot but he doesnt say she knows where to shoot, and when claire was aiming at him she wasnt aiming at a specific part of him so to onlookers theres nothing to reveal in how to kill claire and peter

heres the vid of the scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JgXML-OSqk

[nafeasonto]

What I would like to see is this:

Claire's head being chopped off my Kensei.

Now she is dead but her eyes are still blurry like in the vegetative state.

Mr. Bennet uses his wits or his intelligence and puts the head back near her neck, then in a sickening FX scene you see literally her skin reach for her head like tentacles almost then, then quickly the neck tentacles (which are tentacles of skin) attach to the head and then heal greatly.

And she is back to life.

tada.


Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
actually if you watch it again he tells her to shoot but he doesnt say she knows where to shoot, and when claire was aiming at him she wasnt aiming at a specific part of him so to onlookers theres nothing to reveal in how to kill claire and peter

heres the vid of the scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JgXML-OSqk

It's obviously severing the head because Mohinder says the POWERS COME FROM THE BRAIN.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by nafeasonto
It's obviously severing the head because Mohinder says the POWERS COME FROM THE BRAIN.

so mohinder knows that the brains the key thats how mohinder witnessed peter dying with a shard of glass in his head yet mohinder seen peter alive again, if i was mohinder id also rethink over the whole the brains the key

am not saying mohinder was wrong as he wasnt its just because of how claire and peters healing powers work that people around them wouldnt believe that attacking the brain is the true method to killing them

[flying_girl]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
actually if you watch it again he tells her to shoot but he doesnt say she knows where to shoot, and when claire was aiming at him she wasnt aiming at a specific part of him so to onlookers theres nothing to reveal in how to kill claire and peter

heres the vid of the scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JgXML-OSqk

what i meant was he told claire she knew where to shoot him in the house. she aimed the gun at him twice by kirby plaza and she was aiming it at his head. so everyone else knew its possible to kill them by shooting their head. plus now that i watched the link i realized that peter also told hiro there was a way to kill him so now everybody knows it's possible to kill peter, claire, adam. they may not know for sure how but in the case of claire and adam they can always try different things until they come up with the right answer.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by flying_girl
what i meant was he told claire she knew where to shoot him in the house. she aimed the gun at him twice by kirby plaza and she was aiming it at his head. so everyone else knew its possible to kill them by shooting their head. plus now that i watched the link i realized that peter also told hiro there was a way to kill him so now everybody knows it's possible to kill peter, claire, adam. they may not know for sure how but in the case of claire and adam they can always try different things until they come up with the right answer.

this is what im saying when the implement which causes the injury/death to claire, peter or adam is removed there brains heal and they become alive again (we have seen it several times, even the healing blood! revived HRG after he was shot in the eye), so the only real way to kill all 3 is to remove the brain which sylar did in the future (which was changed)

and adam said to peter when they were locked up that if they could kill adam they would have

so that means that the company tried everything they could think of

[the highlander]

Doesn't matter what happened in the future in 5 years gone by...

Sylar tried to cut Peter's head and peter healed faster than he could chop it off... So i think that Sylar can't kill claire... And more to the point.. if he kills here by sticking something inside his head she is dead and he can't learn her power... so it would be actually pretty difficult for him...

Anyways... there is a plot hole here.

[tomos]

ok, now stay with me here...

adam - he can heal like Clare so damage the brain and he's glassy eyed dead. but it's not that simple is it?

i mean it cant all be in the brain. adams blood was in a needle iirc before given to nathan. not connected to a brain or a living system at the time. it survived that process. even though it didnt seem to be done there so must have been done before entering nathans room. even longer in a cold syringe.

so if adams brain was removed, his blood would flow into the wound. his blood heals. so shouldnt his blood cause the regeneration of his brain? it seems to me that in adams case the healing ability is twofold and only 1 of those is tied to the brain.

maybe that's why in theory the haitian couldnt dampen his powers completely. with him around, his brain couldnt activate his main power of healing, but his blood might still heal - allowing him to survive whatever attempts were made on his life - until the blood in his system runs out that is.

as for memories, in heroesverse they must be in some way genetic - otherwise with the damage peter/clare/HRG have had to their brains (glass, wood, bullet and haitian) then the cells would be healed but any damage to the memory parts of the brain would just be gone right? but like adam said, his ability will 'heal' peter of that.

finally, i figure that clare v adam is 1 of 2 things.

1 - they are different abilities under the surface - allowing adam to survive Sylar but not clare. or:

2 - they are the same, but will take Clare longer than 5 years to gain the regenerative abilities that Adam has - allowing Sylar to kill or not be able to kill either one - depending on how old they are at the time. young = easy kill. old = no way will sylar be able to kill them. but he would be able to take their ability.


wow, did i really just write all that??

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by the highlander
Doesn't matter what happened in the future in 5 years gone by...

Sylar tried to cut Peter's head and peter healed faster than he could chop it off... So i think that Sylar can't kill claire... And more to the point.. if he kills here by sticking something inside his head she is dead and he can't learn her power... so it would be actually pretty difficult for him...

Anyways... there is a plot hole here. It was implied in Five Years Gone that Sylar killed Claire. And yes it does matter what happened in that episode.


Originally posted by tomos
so if adams brain was removed, his blood would flow into the wound. his blood heals. so shouldnt his blood cause the regeneration of his brain? it seems to me that in adams case the healing ability is twofold and only 1 of those is tied to the brain.

as for memories, in heroesverse they must be in some way genetic - otherwise with the damage peter/clare/HRG have had to their brains (glass, wood, bullet and haitian) then the cells would be healed but any damage to the memory parts of the brain would just be gone right? but like adam said, his ability will 'heal' peter of that.
Yeah the blood being able to heal others changes things, as their bodies apparently produce blood with regenerative properties constantly, which is what enables them to stay young no doubt. And yes it implies that the brain could be regenerated as long as there's enough blood still in their system. However, I don't think memories/knowledge can be replaced if those parts of the brain are completely destroyed. A mindless zombie would result if a completely new brain is regrown. I think the memories area of the brain must still be at least partially intact for all memories to be restored. In the case of what the Haitian does, it might be that memories aren't actually destroyed, they're just no longer accessible in some way. It's sort of like brain damage to the memory area of the brain, damage which can be reversed by regeneration. But if the brain is completely gone/destroyed, I don't see how memories can come back, the brain that regrows will be basically empty, a zombie brain. lol (I doubt memories are genetic in the Heroesverse. They seem to be trying to remain scientific about most things, when they can.)

maybe that's why in theory the haitian couldnt dampen his powers completely. with him around, his brain couldnt activate his main power of healing, but his blood might still heal - allowing him to survive whatever attempts were made on his life - until the blood in his system runs out that is.
That's definitely likely.

2 - they are the same, but will take Clare longer than 5 years to gain the regenerative abilities that Adam has - allowing Sylar to kill or not be able to kill either one - depending on how old they are at the time. young = easy kill. old = no way will sylar be able to kill them. but he would be able to take their ability.
I think this is more likely. Adam's ability is probably just more advanced, similar to how Matt grows more powerful with time.

[Trent_243]

I think that as long as something is in the way of the damage being repaired (glass shard, wood) it won't heal.

So if they lodge something in Claire's or Adam's brain and no-one takes it out they couldn't heal.

[Xanderman]

Yeah a lodged object both blocks the brain from working properly and prevents the area from healing. Until it's removed however they seem to be in a "preserved" state thanks to their regen ability -- not alive, yet not quite dead either -- as shown by their eyes.

[The Ninth Doctor]

The only time we've seen someone die is when the connection to the brain is severed, stopping the brain from producing the blood that heals them. However, that blood is still present in the body, constantly trying to heal the connection, and so once the blockage is gone, they revive.

The blood will heal the brain as well, as we've seen from Noah.

Adam revealed to Peter that the power even covers Memory (something we all speculated here way back when we thought the hatian was going to *hatian chunk* Claire.)

The one time we've seen someone die is when FSylar killed FClaire. How did he do this- he completely removed the brain from Fclaire's body.

Yes, this didn't work with Peter, but that was Sylar's first time trying to kill someone like that. He didn't know to put a constant TK field in the space to keep it from healing.

However, we know that htis is all irrelevant, because if the show lasts any time at all, eventuall HP and DA are going to age, so Claire and Adam will die/lose their power/ leave the show.

[STFanatic]

Then again, Chlaire hasn't reached the age/advancement of her powers yet, so she can still age for a while.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by The Ninth Doctor
Adam revealed to Peter that the power even covers Memory (something we all speculated here way back when we thought the hatian was going to *hatian chunk* Claire.)

The one time we've seen someone die is when FSylar killed FClaire. How did he do this- he completely removed the brain from Fclaire's body.
Yes if the brain is completely destroyed/removed, the person is screwed. Because even if a new brain were to somehow regenerate, the memories/knowledge stored up in the original brain wouldn't be included in the genetic replacement, and so a mindless vegetable would basically result. This can be extended to complete removal/destruction of the memory/knowledge areas of the brain as well, it doesn't have to be the entire brain, just the crucial parts.


Originally posted by The Ninth Doctor
However, we know that htis is all irrelevant, because if the show lasts any time at all, eventuall HP and DA are going to age, so Claire and Adam will die/lose their power/ leave the show. Not necessarily. I mean Angel was on 5 seasons, and DB got older (and fatter) year by year...and he's supposed to be a vampire for christ's sake. :lol:

[The Ninth Doctor]

And I suppose (as we've scene with X3) cgi has gotten better at taking a few years off of people.


Claire can age with Hayden for a few more years, but Adam is supposed to already have reached immortal mode.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by The Ninth Doctor
but Adam is supposed to already have reached immortal mode. He can say he's "just tired" or something all the time when people bring it up...

PETER: Adam...you're looking....OLD....I thought you didn't age?

ADAM: I'm just tired is all, Peter. Just so damned tired. Of hearing people tell me that.

:lol: