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Ginx

11-19-2007, 08:31 PM

I was so happy when he came back. Really surprised that he came back but it was just cool. He's one of my fav characters. Even if he's been a bit evil this season.

Wonder where they are gonna go with it.... maybe HRG was a test subject to see if it would work out with the blood.

Mello Penelo

11-19-2007, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Sweetie
He's alive but,he's captured.

No, he's in safe hands. Why would Bob bring him back if he wasn't a good person?

taolbi

11-19-2007, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
No, he's in safe hands. Why would Bob bring him back if he wasn't a good person?

ransom Claire back for more blood?

business is business and Bob's protecting his assets

faz

11-19-2007, 08:34 PM

Did anyone else have a Donnie Darko flashback when they saw his eye?

Mello Penelo

11-19-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by taolbi
ransom Claire back for more blood?

business is business and Bob's protecting his assets

Bob is good. Which makes The Company good. Thompson was bad. That made The Company bad. HRG didn't know any leadership other than Thompson.

Bob even said each director of the group followed his own agenda and he was trying to correct the corruption.

taolbi

11-19-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Bob is good. Which makes The Company good. Thompson was bad. That made The Company bad. HRG didn't know any leadership other than Thompson.

Bob even said each director of the group followed his own agenda and he was trying to correct the corruption.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Bob's speech about Thompson and Linderman

And I was also thinking about HRG's perspective on the Company when he was talking to Mohinder...which also makes me think about his Mentor's words to him in Russia...

@.@ utterly confused..

I guess we'll see in a matter of 2 episodes

faz

11-19-2007, 08:39 PM

I still don't know if I believe that. We've all seen that members of the Company are definitely capable of lying, so Bob's comment could have just been a load of crap.

Mello Penelo

11-19-2007, 08:42 PM

I think Bob is kind of simple in his approach to leading. He doesn't lie because he understands he doesn't have to tell everyone everything.

taolbi

11-19-2007, 08:46 PM

Yeah, its so cloudy.

Sometimes people are so simple,we assume there's way more to them than there really is.

faz

11-19-2007, 08:47 PM

Fair enough, but if what he's doing is ultimately good, why does he have to hide it from others in the Company? And don't forget, he did ask Mohinder to inject the virus into Monica. Even though he later apologized for it, I think it's more because he realized that Mohinder is too important to him to turn him away from the Company. I also thinik he knew Mohinder was working with HRG (let's face it, the Company knows pretty much everything that's going on inside it), and I think he was trying to turn Mohinder to his side.

newfan

11-19-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by taolbi
ok so i saw HRG dying

as soon as it happened, i thought
"man...this is the most epic death since Lion King"

I think I cryed more when he got shot then in the Lion King..but your right about that one :rotfl:

Okay..can I just say...I think I lost my mind when he got shot!! I was flipping out! My poor husband..he didnt know what to do with me :rotfl:
I honestly have to watch it again cause I was so livid snapping mad and crying that I missed most of it! All I can say is..Thank God he is alive! I honestly thought that he was dead and never coming back. I dont care..they have him and all..but he is ALIVE!! :rotfl:

STFanatic

11-19-2007, 09:11 PM

And we were worried about you too ;)

newfan

11-19-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by STFanatic
And we were worried about you too ;)

Aww thanks! ;) My phone rang as soon as he was shot..:rotfl: Then after the show ended I called my friend and she was like.."oh lord Ali..I actually had a tear for ya when he got shot..I think I heard you screaming here at my place!" :rotfl:

Zacho

11-19-2007, 09:16 PM

He may be evil now though if his mind was erased, so he could go back to The Company. Why else would they bring him back?

RedPhoenix23

11-19-2007, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
No, he's in safe hands. Why would Bob bring him back if he wasn't a good person?

Who says it was Bob? Could have been Mo', he's the good person afterall. I'm still not convinced Bob is good, especially after all the hell he personally put his own daughter through. Bob's the reason she's so freakin' crazy.

Mello Penelo

11-19-2007, 09:31 PM

If Elle is in her 20s, Thompson led The Company at the time. Thompson was bad. He probably did it to her. Bob is trying to make amends for all the crap Thompson pulled.

Supermansthebest

11-19-2007, 09:57 PM

I dont think the company brought him back to life...I think it was Mohinder couz he is a doctor and he wouldnt be able to live with himself knowing that he took someones life.
Or Mohinder did bring him to life because that was their plan all along, to kill Noah infront of the company and to do something bigger.

Praxis

11-20-2007, 01:29 AM

I think it was Mohinder. Mohinder only shot him to protect Bob (who was trying to convince him to kill Noah the whole time), he had no desire to kill Noah and as a doctor would be wracked with guilt.

Bob would never waste his last sample of Claire's blood to save Noah who wants him dead.

Mohinder might.

Randy G.

11-20-2007, 01:33 AM

I think maybe Mo' took him somewhere secure, & brought him back to life.
At least I hope Mo' has him, & not Bob. :\

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-20-2007, 06:08 AM

Noah's character is one of the best one, perhaps the best.
Bob needs Noah I think, to get to Claire maybe or possibly Noah knows stuff, importanat stuff...
Noah's gonna harlot slap Mohinder when he gets a chance, I know I would :D

one of the 12

11-20-2007, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Supermansthebest
I dont think the company brought him back to life...I think it was Mohinder couz he is a doctor and he wouldnt be able to live with himself knowing that he took someones life.
Or Mohinder did bring him to life because that was their plan all along, to kill Noah infront of the company and to do something bigger.

Well, the last we saw Mohinder was in the back of the black van looking at this gun, Elle and Bob were up front. Bob was the only one with Clair when her blood was taken. So using a little deductive reasoning, HRG had to be in the van with the three of them, I doubt they left him there at the beach. There is no way Bob loses control of Claire's blood after all he went through to get it. Mohinder can not be doing this on his own, he is still involved with the company and they are bringing HRG back from the dead for bargaining power over Claire. One other explanation would be that it is Adam's blood saving HRG. Now it would be some seriously wide story arc that put Adam and Peter at the beach to find HRG shot and then decide to save him...

pycer

11-20-2007, 07:05 AM

Mello, your forgetting HRG said he was their when Bob brought Elle to them and saw him perform those tests on her. He did know Bob, and it was Bob that did those things to her. What I noted thought, was that HRG's words appear to have been haveing and effect on Elle, perhaps driving a wedge between her and her daddy.

one of the 12

11-20-2007, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by pycer
What I noted thought, was that HRG's words appear to have been haveing and effect on Elle, perhaps driving a wedge between her and her daddy.

exactly, it was a very cold glare Elle gave Bob in the van at the end of the show, and I doubt it was because they made her drive after she got shot.

dizi

11-20-2007, 08:00 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
[B]Noah's character is one of the best one, perhaps the best.
/QUOTE]

I can't agree you more!!! :) I was crying when he was shot, now I'm relieved...Best episode since Company Man.

BrotherCool

11-20-2007, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by taolbi
ransom Claire back for more blood?

business is business and Bob's protecting his assets

what makes you think bob has him?

remember, claire isn't the only one with super-healing-resurrection blood.

perhaps adam and peter are planning a trip to texas... and they need a tour guide.

Sweetie

11-20-2007, 09:22 AM

It's all lead to Mohinder.Why would be Bob's motives to do this?I know if a guy threated to kill my daughter I wouldn't want him to see his face again.I think Mo regretted his gesture.Mostly when he saw Claire's reaction.He gave his own blood to bring back Noah.

Matro

11-20-2007, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Sweetie
It's all lead to Mohinder.Why would be Bob's motives to do this?I know if a guy threated to kill my daughter I wouldn't want him to see his face again.I think Mo regretted his gesture.Mostly when he saw Claire's reaction.He gave his own blood to bring back Noah.

Mohinder's blood wouldn't do that.

I think that Bob saved Noah to prove to him how useful Claire's blood is.

STFanatic

11-20-2007, 10:04 AM

Hmmm... Maybe we have been over thinking or underestimating Mo.
Maybe he is the real head of "The Company" after all.

spicyblark

11-20-2007, 10:05 AM

Mohinder definetly regrets it.

BrotherCool

11-20-2007, 10:08 AM

guys, come on... who other than claire has super blood?

adam...

Matro

11-20-2007, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by BrotherCool
guys, come on... who other than claire has super blood?

adam...

How would Adam know about that spur of the moment meeting? Why would he need Noah?

Bob had Claire's blood. Bob was there when it happened. Bob had motive to revive Noah.

Mello Penelo

11-20-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by BrotherCool
guys, come on... who other than claire has super blood?

adam...

Peter...

Praxis

11-20-2007, 11:48 AM

BrotherCool

11-20-2007, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Matro
How would Adam know about that spur of the moment meeting? Why would he need Noah?

Bob had Claire's blood. Bob was there when it happened. Bob had motive to revive Noah.

but adam and peter (thanks for correcting my omission) both have motive as well... both want to stop the company (ie save the world), as does noah.

methinks a trip to odessa is planned by adam and peter... why not get noah to help.

Matro

11-20-2007, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Praxis
No; Mohinder had motive to revive Noah. Bob did not. .

Wanting to prove to Noah how useful Claire's blood can be, in order to convince Noah to co-operate, is a pretty good motive. Bringing Noah back to life with his daughter's blood is a damn good way to convince him.

thedarknight

11-20-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Matro
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Wanting to prove to Noah how useful Claire's blood can be, in order to convince Noah to co-operate, is a pretty good motive. Bringing Noah back to life with his daughter's blood is a damn good way to convince him.

Why would he need to prove anything to Bennet when he's dead? Claire best protector is gone. Mohinder planned it, so the company thinks he head - so they wont be searching for him. Seriously I thought it was obvious it was Mohinder.

Matro

11-20-2007, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by thedarknight
Why would he need to prove anything to Bennet when he's dead? Claire best protector is gone. Mohinder planned it, so the company thinks he head - so they wont be searching for him. Seriously I thought it was obvious it was Mohinder.

He could use his cooperation to get Claire. All Mohinder could have done is ask Bob nicely to help Noah, he really has no say. Noah wouldn't get the injection if Bob didn't want it done. Bob's not all that bad anyhow.

Both him and Noah have tunnel vision.

Sweetie

11-20-2007, 03:50 PM

taolbi

11-20-2007, 07:27 PM

i think whatever the answer is, Mo has a plan. He did when he first met sylar!

I mean, I totally didnt see Mo's trap to sylar back in season one. The only thing that went wrong was Mo underestimating sylar

Mo's smart and he's going to do what's best for people in general, and I think he may be easy to manipulate at first but he isn't oblivious to people's real motives.

yeah?

Mischael12

11-20-2007, 07:36 PM

I thought the powers were controlled by the brain? If her brain doesn't activate the power when she is cut, than why would it be possible for her blood to heal anyone outside her body? A transfusion i can understand, but in situations were its been taken out...

MidgardDragon

11-20-2007, 08:22 PM

It works for the same reason Kensei's blood can heal. Whether that's simply part of their power, or if it will be explained later, we don't know yet.

The_Frag_Man

11-20-2007, 08:24 PM

It's a special case, their blood has healing properties.

It doesn't change the fact that powers are controlled by the brain.

Mischael12

11-20-2007, 09:17 PM

It really shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless if its not the brain but each cell itself that is special.

I mean consider when the cells are destroyed, or damaged, the brain activates the ability for the cells to regenerate quickly, without the brain mediating that it shouldn't work. Of course that is using logic...

MidgardDragon

11-20-2007, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Mischael12
It really shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless if its not the brain but each cell itself that is special.

I mean consider when the cells are destroyed, or damaged, the brain activates the ability for the cells to regenerate quickly, without the brain mediating that it shouldn't work. Of course that is using logic...

That's using non-fiction, when we are dealing with a fictional premise.

Mischael12

11-20-2007, 09:38 PM

Than blame authors for trying to put non-fiction into their stories.

When you start putting the reason for the brain being the cause of powers, well than you need to not put gaps like this in stories.

Again logically by the way Hero's is going it should not be possible for blood to heal if the power is controlled by the brain.

It works in smallville because Clarks whole body is special, its each cell not controlled by one organ.

MidgardDragon

11-20-2007, 09:43 PM

How is it a gap? The blood heals. It could very well be that healing blood is just a part of the power. This is yet another situation of something being unexplained, not a plot-hole. Man, people are getting on my nerves tonight, and I don't think it's me. What's up with people being completely clueless nowadays?

Mischael12

11-20-2007, 09:45 PM

seriously man blood heals? Than Claire wouldn't need to worry at all about a stick stuck in her head, since the blood is what heals the part, and would just cause the brain cells to grow back.

If Sylar cut open her head, and ate her brain, she would just regrow it because the blood is healing.

But if the brain is what is controlling the powers, than without a brain to operate them the cells shouldn't do what they are doing.

Its not being clueless its pointing out something that doesn't make sense.

flying_girl

11-20-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by thedarknight
Why would he need to prove anything to Bennet when he's dead? Claire best protector is gone. Mohinder planned it, so the company thinks he head - so they wont be searching for him. Seriously I thought it was obvious it was Mohinder.

im not so sure that hrg was claire's best protector. i think the haitan was and he is still around and he has powers plus claire now has west protecting her. im sure bob knows that the haitan was working with hrg and if he dies than the haitan will protect claire and can stop elle's power. they are better off getting hrg's approval.

thedarknight

11-20-2007, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by flying_girl
im not so sure that hrg was claire's best protector. i think the haitan was and he is still around and he has powers plus claire now has west protecting her. im sure bob knows that the haitan was working with hrg and if he dies than the haitan will protect claire and can stop elle's power. they are better off getting hrg's approval.

I think that's a bit far fetched. But let's say you're correct. Do you know what that means? Mohinder has definitely made the jump from good to bad, there is no turning back. HRG spared Mo, and so Mohinder (who is always trying to the right thing) caps HRG in the head in return? No I don't think so, it really doesn't fit his character.

Also LOL at West, do you really think he's that much of a threat? Plus the whole story was how Bob put his OWN daughter through the testing and how it made Elle so messed up. Bob probably doesnt think he can convince HRG to make Claire go through the same thing.

dizi

11-21-2007, 02:22 AM

Where was the Haitian when HRG needed the most? I also wonder if HRG is gonna have the healing ability permanently.

newfan

11-21-2007, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Noah's character is one of the best one, perhaps the best.

Paul...I knew we got along for a reason! Damn..you have great taste! :p

I can't agree you more!!! :) I was crying when he was shot, now I'm relieved...Best episode since Company Man. [/B]

Im glad I wasnt the only one that cryed :rotfl: And I agree with you 100%..I was thinking the same thing..best episode since Company Man! Any episode with that much Mr Benett is going to be epic indeed! :cool:

dizi

11-21-2007, 04:44 AM

The way he was lying on the the floor...It was heartbreaking...And the way he said "Oh sh..." LOL!!! I hope they give him new glasses! :cool:

Why are the best episodes are always the HRG ones? I believe not just fans, but also writers really like this character, so they can easily write cool stuff about him.

newfan

11-21-2007, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by dizi
The way he was lying on the the floor...It was heartbreaking...And the way he said "Oh sh..." LOL!!! I hope they give him new glasses! :cool:

Why are the best episodes are always the HRG ones? I believe not just fans, but also writers really like this character, so they can easily write cool stuff about him.

I know! :( I was sobbing! The way he says anything is just enough to get me going! :rotfl: I SO hope he gets the glasses back..I mean that is what makes Mr Bennet! Those glasses!

And your right again..the best episodes are always the ones focused around him, but I guess thats just our opinion right! :p I cant wait to see how he gets out of this one! The man is on fire! :cool:

dizi

11-21-2007, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by newfan
And your right again..the best episodes are always the ones focused around him, but I guess thats just our opinion right! :p I cant wait to see how he gets out of this one! The man is on fire! :cool:

I hope we don't have to wait for too long to watch these kind of episodes!!!! :D

flying_girl

11-21-2007, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by thedarknight
I think that's a bit far fetched. But let's say you're correct. Do you know what that means? Mohinder has definitely made the jump from good to bad, there is no turning back. HRG spared Mo, and so Mohinder (who is always trying to the right thing) caps HRG in the head in return? No I don't think so, it really doesn't fit his character.

Also LOL at West, do you really think he's that much of a threat? Plus the whole story was how Bob put his OWN daughter through the testing and how it made Elle so messed up. Bob probably doesnt think he can convince HRG to make Claire go through the same thing.

what does the haitan being claire's best protecter have to do with mo? i wasnt saying that hrg was protecting claire, he was. the haitan is just better at it than him and he has been doing it for alot longer

Originally posted by dizi
Where was the Haitian when HRG needed the most?

hes working with hrg but that doesnt mean hes protecting him. the haitan hooked up with hrg to help him protect claire.

Seyee

11-21-2007, 03:07 PM

Man HRG comming back to life was obvious what I don't get is why the writers try to imput that playing god is not right with Hiro's power, yet they did that with HRG. Kinda pisses me off that Hiro's dad has to die sigh. :) I wonder if they'll bring some of the Company 12 back with claire's blood.

Anyone understand why they just didn't supply a lot on Adam's blood while he was locked in that place. He was only there for what 30 years they should of known instead of wasting time getting Claire.

flying_girl

11-21-2007, 04:56 PM

there is a diffrence between going back in time and making sure someone who is dead doesnt die and making a painting of the future come true. the painting shows hrg shot in the eye, that happened, now that that took place he can come back to life. it also showed claire broken and dead on stairs and peter dead in homecoming.
as for a supply of adams blood, im guessing he didnt want to give it to them so thats why they dont have any

4Clana

11-21-2007, 07:25 PM

Speaking of the Haitian, will HRG's memories be back now? How does the Haitian remove memories? Does he just pull the memory out or block them or actually destroy the areas of the brain with the particular memories? Because now that HRG is healed, depending on how the Haitian removes the memories, HRG could remember everything or those areas of the brain could just be healed but blank slates.

If I go by the fact that Peter seems to be able to regain his memory even though the Haitian worked his magic on Peter, then that would mean the memories are always there, and how the Haitian works is by blocking memories not removing them. Or did Peter only regain memories because it's Peter (who can heal and could also have the Haitian's power).

flying_girl

11-21-2007, 08:53 PM

you mean hrg's memories of ted in his house and how he sent claire away with the haitan? or are you talking about something else?

newfan

11-21-2007, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by dizi
I hope we don't have to wait for too long to watch these kind of episodes!!!! :D

Me either! But if all else fails..I just rewatch Company Man over and over again :rotfl::p

kent_eh

11-21-2007, 10:57 PM

Ummm.. Guys...

Science-fiction doesn't have to always use real science.
It doesn't even have to match other fiction.

If Roddenberry says Vulcans have green blood, then that's the way it is.

If Kring says the powers come from the brain, and that a regenerators can have healing blood then that's the way it is.

Why is this so hard for people to get their heads around?

Never heard of "suspension of disbelief"?

dizi

11-22-2007, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by newfan
Me either! But if all else fails..I just rewatch Company Man over and over again :rotfl::p

Yes, I was thinking the same thing!!!:lol: And now we also have this wonderful episode!

Mischael12

11-22-2007, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by kent_eh
Ummm.. Guys...

Science-fiction doesn't have to always use real science.
It doesn't even have to match other fiction.

If Roddenberry says Vulcans have green blood, then that's the way it is.

If Kring says the powers come from the brain, and that a regenerators can have healing blood then that's the way it is.

Why is this so hard for people to get their heads around?

Never heard of "suspension of disbelief"?

Theres a difference between that. If Claire was attached to a chair and blood transfusion was being done, than by all means I would understand.

But in the case of where the blood has been outside her body than no.

I mean yeah i can come up for a reason, still doesn't mean that they could have handle it better.

newfan

11-22-2007, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by dizi
Yes, I was thinking the same thing!!!:lol: And now we also have this wonderful episode!

:rotfl: I know!! Its great..between this episode and Company Man..Im set! :cool: No need to ever watch anything else on television in my opinion! :p

dizi

11-22-2007, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by newfan
:rotfl: I know!! Its great..between this episode and Company Man..Im set! :cool: No need to ever watch anything else on television in my opinion! :p

Oh, I can memorize every scene!!!! :rotfl:

newfan

11-22-2007, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by dizi
Oh, I can memorize every scene!!!! :rotfl:

ME TOO! :rotfl: This is great!

dizi

11-22-2007, 02:52 PM

What do you think about the death scene?

I think it was very artistic in every way. The shooting, his falling down, every scene was just great and unbelievably touching.
The director did a wonderful job. The most touching scene for me when Mohinder stood next to his body. He seemed genuinely sorry. HRG trusted him, he was so sure he was one of the good guys. All this trust lead to this!!! :(

newfan

11-22-2007, 03:45 PM

Oh man..that death scene...I honestly was flipping out :rotfl: I cryed..I can admit it..I cryed! I had to watch it again the next day..cause I dont remember too much of it! But your right..it was really well done scene. I dont like Mohinder at all anymore, he used to be one of my favorites..but I mean we dont know what is going to come of it all, maybe he had other reasons for doing it..maybe him and HRG had this all planned to take down the company after gaining Bobs trust...we dont know..but nonetheless..I hated Mohinder so much at that moment! :lol:

What did you think of the ending there when they showed him lying on that table? I jumped off the couch! You'd have thought I won the damn lottery! :rotfl:

dizi

11-22-2007, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by newfan
What did you think of the ending there when they showed him lying on that table? I jumped off the couch! You'd have thought I won the damn lottery! :rotfl:

I was just shouting at my monitor!!! :rotfl: The scene was so sad, he was all alone, totally lost control (and also his clothes :p ). The way he said "Ohh sh...", that was awesome!!! I can't wait for the next episode, but I'm guessing we won't see him that much in that one. :mad: We'll probably need to wait for the 11th episode.

STFanatic

11-22-2007, 04:51 PM

When he got shot, I said out loud "He < insert expletive here > killed him?"
And I turned to my wife and said, "There is this woman on KryptonSite named Ali that is going to freak out"
Then when he revived I said "No < another expletive > way!"
Then I said, "OK, Ali will survive now, I hope she didn't throw something and destroy her TV."
:lol:

newfan

11-22-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by STFanatic
When he got shot, I said out loud "He < insert expletive here > killed him?"
And I turned to my wife and said, "There is this woman on KryptonSite named Ali that is going to freak out"
Then when he revived I said "No < another expletive > way!"
Then I said, "OK, Ali will survive now, I hope she didn't throw something and destroy her TV."
:lol:

LMFAO!!! :rotfl: Oh my god Steve, thats great!! I just love how people here associate HRG with me...even when they arent on here! :rotfl: EVERYONE I know in my life, friends, familly, coworkers all said the same thing!!
I'm glad everyone cares about my love for HRG! :cool:

Originally posted by dizi
I was just shouting at my monitor!!! :rotfl: The scene was so sad, he was all alone, totally lost control (and also his clothes :p ). The way he said "Ohh sh...", that was awesome!!! I can't wait for the next episode, but I'm guessing we won't see him that much in that one. :mad: We'll probably need to wait for the 11th episode.

Oh yes indeed..no clothes! :p I wouldnt have minded being alone in that room with him! That was a great ending..but your right..I bet he isnt even in it on Monday!! Im gonna go through withdrawl!