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sdogg1m

11-15-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
lol You make no sense.

Who cares about the established SM mythos? SV is a complete reimagination. Get the hell over it!

I make perfect sense. If everyone is allowed to rewrite Superman anyway they desire then Superman is no longer SUPERMAN!!!

No where has the idea been expressed that Clark met his biological mother, NO WHERE!!!

Also, Julian was killed by Lillian. Lex admitted this but no all of a sudden, Julian was not killed by Lillian? What a bunch of malarky!!!

Mello Penelo

11-15-2007, 07:17 PM

MOD EDIT

Originally posted by sdogg1m
Also, Julian was killed by Lex. Lex admitted but no all of a sudden, Julian was not killed by Lex? What a bunch of malarky!!!

Julian was killed by Lillian. Not Lex.

sdogg1m

11-15-2007, 07:21 PM

MOD EDIT

Julian was killed by Lillian. Not Lex.

You're right. Fixed my post.

Delovely

11-15-2007, 07:24 PM

It was lacking, every boring, and stupid.

I mean, leaving Lara with Lana? Grant is really Juilian? Clark defying Jor-El AGAIN?

Give me a ****ing break.

erikamichelle614

11-15-2007, 07:24 PM

I still think it could be julian. lionel covered up lucas pretty well until Prodigal. i think this is the real deal.

Mello Penelo

11-15-2007, 07:25 PM

The baby was dead. We saw Julian lying dead in the crib.

thehenry89

11-15-2007, 07:28 PM

it would have made more sense if grant was lucas. Jullian should be like seveteen.

prometheus04

11-15-2007, 07:29 PM

paolinki25

11-15-2007, 07:31 PM

I honestly don't know what kind of interpretation they are giving to the Superman story. It boggles the mind how all these Kryptonians are walking on Earth (clones or whatever). Also, how many times does Clark have to mess up to get the message? He's way too slow for my taste right now. He needs to get smarter or there's no way this boy will become the iconic hero known as Superman.

Julian/Grant...Don't even get me started on that one. If it's not a clone, then they just (and pardon my french) f*cked up a good, solid storyline that was part of season 3 and 4.

thehenry89

11-15-2007, 07:32 PM

you would think that after almost four years of apocolyptic tragedies Clark would finally listen to his father.

redeem147

11-15-2007, 07:33 PM

There's no Lionel in the comics. The show was never 'canon'. It's always been about twisting the mythology, and it's a big part of why I like it. I've always enjoyed Elseworld stories.

I like the idea someone had that Lex is setting up this guy to think he's Julian, probably to screw with Lionel's head.

Though to the person who thought Julian should be seventeen - Grant looks seventeen to me. Baby editor.

Smit6178

11-15-2007, 07:34 PM

I really think after Jonathon died they should have spent the remaining 10 episodes of season 5 wrapping up the series.

theotherJane

11-15-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by paolinki25
I honestly don't know what kind of interpretation they are giving to the Superman story. It boggles the mind how all these Kryptonians are walking on Earth (clones or whatever). Also, how many times does Clark have to mess up to get the message? He's way too slow for my taste right now. He needs to get smarter or there's no way this boy will become the iconic hero known as Superman.

Julian/Grant...Don't even get me started on that one. If it's not a clone, then they just (and pardon my french) f*cked up a good, solid storyline that was part of season 3 and 4.

Remember when he told Prof. Fine, "i thought i was the last son of krypton, but you people keep popping up."
It's stupid, stupid, stupid.

nk_84

11-15-2007, 08:50 PM

haven't watched Blue yet, but gettin the idea the writers have made an arse outta smallville for good this time!!

clanafanforever

11-15-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
lol You make no sense.

Who cares about the established SM mythos? SV is a complete reimagination. Get the hell over it!

I totally agree with what you said. these people are taking this show waaayy to seriously.

kevin_video

11-15-2007, 08:57 PM

I'm sorry peeps, but I have to agree with Delovely. This episode was seriously lacking.

seraphim

11-15-2007, 09:03 PM

I'm with you guys....this episode was just awful.

Honey45

11-15-2007, 09:09 PM

I turned it off after the scene before the opening credits, it looked so crappy.
And I have never missed an episode of Smallville in the whole series.

:)

Honey45

11-15-2007, 09:11 PM

I agree this episode was bad, but not because they're "ruining Superman".

Lara, Jor-El, Zor-El and Kara are so boring. I can't stand to watch episodes based on them.

paolinki25

11-15-2007, 09:18 PM

Who cares about the established SM mythos?

Huh? If this were some show, with some random guy with super powers, I wouldn't give a damn, but we're talking about telling the story of a known superhero. :confused:

Twitch

11-15-2007, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
I agree this episode was bad, but not because they're "ruining Superman".

Lara, Jor-El, Zor-El and Kara are so boring. I can't stand to watch episodes based on them.
I can agree with Lara and Zor-El, not very exciting, but I like Kara.

As for the episode, it was alright I guess, nothing spectacular. The twist at the end was a shock and I thought it was pretty cool at first, but after reading some posts here it doesn't really make that much sense, unless Julian is a clone.

There were some good scenes and bad scenes, overall it was "meh".

Mello Penelo

11-15-2007, 09:25 PM

Every show/movie/cartoon based on Superman has, however ill-fated, at least made an attempt to stick to the comics. Smallville has not. Al/Miles have done whatever they wanted with the story regardless of the established story. It's a mockery.

Think about it. Deborah Joy Levine, executive producer for Lois & Clark was a soap opera writer. She had also never read a comic book in her life or even seen a Superman movie.

In four years, she put together a more convincing story than Smallville ever could.

trying2b

11-15-2007, 09:30 PM

The only way they can get away with this one is that Grant is one of Lex's experiment and that he is a clone of his long dead little brother.

Alexander III

11-15-2007, 09:47 PM

So Lex's using this clone to ...do wut? If its Lex's clone, I'd be piss if I was Lex coz imagine my own very creation has gone to fall in luv w/ Lois, c'mon w/ LOIS? Lex hates her soo much! Now I know whyLex is pissed at his stupid clone for falling in luv w/ Lois :lol:

adromidon

11-15-2007, 09:49 PM

you guys should become movie critics lol I mean you think this episode is bad yet crap fests like the stupid black and white one last season are probably great to you

SOrry I do not mean to be mean just a bad day.

Shardz

11-15-2007, 10:07 PM

it was seriously lacking for an episode where its supposed to just do a mini cliff hanger at the end.

the clark/zor-el faceoff was pretty damn corny and looked like a homemade movie. just no creativity and looked like they pulled it out of their asses with a budget in mind.

some bad acting as well.

and re-using a set from last season because they're cheap or something.

its damn pathetic

paolinki25

11-15-2007, 10:09 PM

Aside from the encounter between Lara/Clark, the rest was pretty damn bad.

adromidon

11-15-2007, 10:11 PM

did you like that black and white one from last season?

jack1487

11-15-2007, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by clanafanforever
I totally agree with what you said. these people are taking this show waaayy to seriously.

I agree they all seem to be to serious about it. If people really want to know about Superman and of Superboy all they need to do is go and listen to the old radio shows. Heck even Kryptonite was never in the first comic books stories that is until the writers for the radio show brought it about. Even Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster made massive changes to the original story.

One thing that I know is that most people today want everything in black and white and they don't seem to care that this is just supposed to be entertainment just enjoy it.

Any how my 2cents worth.

Take Care,

Jack ;)

Dannyblue1

11-15-2007, 10:41 PM

I don't think anyone is complaining about SV not sticking to Superverse canon. (At least, not this time.) The complaint is that SV isn't sticking to it's own canon.

SV has been on for seven years. It has it's own, self-contained canon. You'd think they'd be able to keep it straight.

But, so many times, the show does things that totally contradict it's own history. (The many different ages Chloe was when her mother left, for example.) And, when they do something like this, it means one of two things.

1. They don't even care enough about their own canon to try to keep it straight.

2. They know they are going against their own canon, but hopes the audience is too stupid to notice.

I_am_LEX

11-15-2007, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by sdogg1m
I make perfect sense. If everyone is allowed to rewrite Superman anyway they desire then Superman is no longer SUPERMAN!!!

No where has the idea been expressed that Clark met his biological mother, NO WHERE!!!

Also, Julian was killed by Lillian. Lex admitted this but no all of a sudden, Julian was not killed by Lillian? What a bunch of malarky!!!

guys... it wasnt his real mother... calm down. and if i remember right, in one of the old movies, he does meet her but she's more like a hologram. - and as far is Julian goes... it very well could be him because we never actually saw a funeral. and it is television after all.

the real question for me would be, why did lionel keep only LEX??!! Did he see something "special" in Lex or is he part of this balance or good and evil and somehow new that Lex is gonna be Clark(Superman's) Enemy (balance)? far fetched i know, but thats why its FICTION guys.

actually, lex has a sister too! dont believe me?... check that one yourself

Mello Penelo

11-15-2007, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by I_am_LEX
guys... it wasnt his real mother... calm down. and if i remember right, in one of the old movies, he does meet her but she's more like a hologram.

Please don't look to the movies as an example. They're not canon. The movies kind of ruined the comics for three generations (so far).

I_am_LEX

11-15-2007, 11:05 PM

i just think people sould take this stuff less seriously. its just a television show and as long as you're talking then you're watching arent you?? thats the whole point

superman has been redone over and over in the comics, and to do it again really isnt a new idea.

its just a tv show about a FICTIONAL character. just like anything else, you like some, you hate some... get over it guys, get over it.

Spirit Detective

11-15-2007, 11:06 PM

The only problem I had with this episode was Lara. It felt a little uncomfortable that Clark was spending ime with a clone of his mother.

Mello Penelo

11-15-2007, 11:07 PM

The problem most people have isn't because we "should take this stuff less seriously," but the show can't take itself seriously.

It's a massive contradiction. If the show had some real substance to it, instead of doing whatever Al/Miles decide to do while they're taking their morning crap, then we wouldn't be having this problem.

You try and tell us to take it less seriously, but when the show can't even keep its own sh!t together, how can we respect it?

Dannyblue1

11-15-2007, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by I_am_LEX
superman has been redone over and over in the comics, and to do it again really isnt a new idea.

its just a tv show about a FICTIONAL character. just like anything else, you like some, you hate some... get over it guys, get over it.

I'm one of those people who's never had a problem with SV not sticking to Superman canon. I don't care that Lois shouldn't have met Clark yet, or that Jimmy is too old, or that Clark doesn't fly, etc.

What I care about is good storytelling. You can make all the changes you want to the mythos as long as you tell me a good story.

It just so happens that some of the changes SV has made to the mythos have been what I consider bad storytelling. And the way they forget or ignore their own canon is just plain laziness.

LoisL

11-15-2007, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Please don't look to the movies as an example. They're not canon. The movies kind of ruined the comics for three generations (so far).

Comics are always in flux. You can't just throw out the Golden Age, the Silver Age, the Bronze Age and the Steel Age etc. What are you calling "canon"?

'Cuz just about everything under the sun has been written about Superman AND been stamped with the official DC approval to be sold in the streets. The comics are every bit as crazy as this TV show though there is more variety in 'em, I grant. During the Steel Age there seemed to be a movement towards a more coherent and linear storyline but when you have so many different runs by different writers and different eras etc. you can't really expect solid continuity. How about the reboots that are going on in DCU right now? Retcons there too, wouldn't you say?

My point is that I'm a huge Superman fan. I love the comics. I like SV. I like the movies. But none of the media are perfect or have true continuity. (The discontinuities in the movies alone are a bit mind-boggling). Calling this ep an "abomination" is a bit strong but I agree that it was a little on the boring side. Personally, I've been losing interest since the end of S6 but I don't think it's worth bashing. It's entertainment that sometimes aint so entertaining.

I_am_LEX

11-15-2007, 11:35 PM

good job people. seriously. i applaud the opinions here.

there are some good episodes of smallville... i think we all can agree on that. but then there are some that arent so good and leave you scratching your head a little bit or alot of in some of your cases.

i just like to escape the 'real world' and smallville does that for me. whether its perfect or runs together 'canon' wise really doesnt matter that much to me... i just want to take my mind off of things for an hr. sure there could always be better writing, but as a songwriter myself, i can understand how sometimes it just does come out the way you were thinking

SweetOne

11-16-2007, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by biggkoz
I find myself having to drink while I watch this show now.

:rotfl:

I don't know if I'll ever get to that point.......

MidgardDragon

11-16-2007, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by sdogg1m
Clark meets Lara???

Julian Luther alive???

What is AlMiles doing to Superman!?!?!?!?

OMG LIKE DEY ARE TOTALLY TELLIN DE STORY DIFFERENT!

You know, like pretty much every adaptation ever? Even the multitudes of different comic book storylines?

maryjanewatson

11-16-2007, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by adromidon
did you like that black and white one from last season?
yes, I did. 1 of 3 episodes I actually liked last season.

MidgardDragon

11-16-2007, 02:34 AM

This thread makes me laugh so hard, I squirt milk out my nose. I wonder how many socks we have in here.

maryjanewatson

11-16-2007, 02:35 AM

how many what?

Pal-El

11-16-2007, 02:38 AM

Socks

maryjanewatson

11-16-2007, 02:42 AM

No, I got that. It just doesn't make sense.

Nospam

11-16-2007, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by Pal-El
Socks

I think Pal-El and MigardDragon are referring to those that post multiple comments under different accounts, called "sockpuppets."

maryjanewatson

11-16-2007, 02:53 AM

oh. I have never heard of that. hmm.

Well, dragon, just because these people didn't like the episode, doesn't mean it's all one person. I wasn't thrilled with this episode, and I certainly am too lazy to create a bunch of accounts just to allude that lots of people feel the same way. Any one with that kind of time is a sad person indeed.

We are allowed to have differing opinions than your own.

Theshadow129x

11-16-2007, 03:41 AM

Every season we get episodes where he's close to being superman and then the rest of the season he's back to being a whiney little teenager. I didnt have high expectations for this episode but I was looking forward to it, but yet I see that in my anticipation I was completely wrong when it came to this show.

They did exactly what I expected them to do with the Clark Kent character, make him all emotional out of no where to bring back his mother when Jor-el issues another warning about it being a hazard to the world and yet he doesnt listen to the advice his biological fathers will bestows upon him.

At this point the show completely lost me. I'm seeing Zor-el fly, Clark fall into trap after trap, and I'm seeing Lana completely cool with Clark's dead mother's clone and having tea and crumpets with her. It's crap. Not to mention what they did to Lois Lane!!!

One thing that I did like was the final conversation between Jor-el and Clark about how stupid he is when it comes to the warnings he issues to his son. Year after year everything is Clark's fault that brings fourth the end of the world because of his lack of listening to severe warnings.

There are superheroes that make mistakes, those that fail, and those that can't save everyone. But to bring about an apocalypse year in and year out is just plain idiotic at this point and Jor-el has the right to punish Clark anyway possible, because clearly the death of his adopted father wasn't indication enough to start listening to the man the saved his life and made sure he would live. it's just horrible writing i think that after 7 years this is what the show has been resulted to and the characters that have seen the most development are the supporting cast not the main character himself.

Another thing that took me out of the episode was the Julian Luthor thing. Wtf?!?! No way possible.

One of my favorite episodes of the entire and I mean ENTIRE series is Memoria. The simple fact that the story behind the most defining moment to the luthors life could very well be seen as a lie is just stupid and truly unbelievable. I hate it. And to top it off, how could an 11 year old kid and his terminally ill mother outsmart the king of all plans? It's not believable and its just stupid!

Smallville really should have ended at the end of season 4 with him throwing the crystal of the fortress and we could just draw up our own conclusions on what happens to each character from there.

MaverickAZ

11-16-2007, 05:45 AM

Mod Edit

For the last time, its not supposed to represent exact canon from comics/movies, it is interpreting the material and making their own story out of it

Lastly, its a fictional television show on the CW of all networks, stop making it what it is not and never will be.

Theshadow129x

11-16-2007, 06:18 AM

its not being a fanboy from the comics and movies, noob, its how they turned the show into crap with plot holes and trying to make true continuity but falling flat on their faces by the new things they bring up contradicting what they did in the past.

its not the simple fact of stop watching. Smallville has a great set up with great characters at its disposal yet it doesnt use it resources correctly. its not a simple fact of someone to stop watching, its the simple fact that people like me and other people on these boards would love for the show to go places that they havent gone before instead of trying to bring up old plot lines and make them connect to things in the past that just messes up its continuity and storytelling.

daughter of the child

11-16-2007, 06:53 AM

no, i disagree with you. there is a middle ground between this. smallville is a show, yes, a fantasy television show. but that doesnt mean that people cant criticise it. Smallville is a good and addictive show and thats why fans get fed up when the producers make it seem to commercial, or make the characters act in ways that we know, from the seven seasons that they have created, that the characters would never be so stupid! Like Chloe for example. After all she's been through with secrets and Clark she makes the same mistake by not telling Jimmy the truth! We know she's smarter than that! And Clark- GGGGRRR- he doesn't have the loyalty in the very depths of his veins to tell his cousin to stop flirting with his BEST FRIEND'S BOYFRIEND. My God, i mean honestly. And now Julian's back and i think its being overdone. The producers are grasping at loose straws and they need to get back on thier game. Wrath has been the best and "most Smallville-y" episode so far. Any comments? Share em.

Mr.Magic

11-16-2007, 06:54 AM

It's the worst episode of the worst season, but I bet the next episode will beat this one in the crappiness department.
I think I'll just stop watching after Lex picked up amnesia Kara. This is not a spoiler, just the worst and the most predictable, boring, annoying etc. outcome I could imagine.

Jaded Wolf

11-16-2007, 06:57 AM

There is no way this could be the worst episode ever after the other shows thus far this season. I think of "Wrath", "Kara" and "Action" as the worst ones. This one was by far the best of this season so far. It's always hard to change and when Clark has for so long been human it can be hard to let go of this feelings and see the bigger picture. Right now for the last seven years he has been playing with emotions instead of accepting he has a greater destiny. I think the writers really are trying to bring Clark to Superman this season even though they still have a bunch of loose ends to tie up.

Second thing, this is the comic book world. Deaths are meaningless. Hello! IN 1992 Superman died only to be raised back from the dead. Jean Grey has died multiple times only to be raised from the dead and then killed again... and again... and again... :rotfl: Captain America's sidekick Bucky, dead then alive. Robin II from Batman Jason Todd, dead then alive. In other words, resurrections happen in the comic book world because, get ready it's a shocker... *gasp* IT'S FICTION!!! :cool:

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-16-2007, 07:17 AM

Its wasn't horrible, but I was hoping for more interaction between Lara and Clark, something more to get him off his arse.
At least we learned that Jor-El was a humanitarian and a pacifist.
I guess that's something.

Theshadow129x

11-16-2007, 07:22 AM

Jor-el wasnt a humanitarian because he wasnt human...he was a kryptotarian

Kryptonian-Ronin

11-16-2007, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
Jor-el wasnt a humanitarian because he wasnt human...he was a kryptotarian

LOL !
You know what I mean !

Theshadow129x

11-16-2007, 07:25 AM

seriously they should let jor-el just turn evil and do Clark's dirty work for him. and by that i mean killing us all because Clark obviously doesnt care about the welfare of the planet if someone is telling him that his decision is going to bring about the end of the world. how many times do you need to be told you're making a dumb decision?

everything in this episode was just terrible. acting, plots, Chloe was the only thing that was actually really good. she always looks great and is a great actress. and i laughed when Lana got thrown. :) but i hated this episode.

JorEl23

11-16-2007, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
everything in this episode was just terrible. acting, plots, Chloe was the only thing that was actually really good. she always looks great and is a great actress. and i laughed when Lana got thrown. :) but i hated this episode.

Granted, like anything ever mythos themed, especially in the eyes of a comic reader things could have been done differently and/or improved upon. Quite frankly, that goes for anything in the genre. Even GREAT works like Donner's Superman or Batman Begins have their critics esp the fanboy crowd. But do you people hear yourselves??? Chloe chloe chloe chloe chloe...its straight ANNOYING already!! Allison does a great job acting. Chloe has evolved into an interesting and important part of the show. But that said, she did nothing extra ordinary in this episode, period. Try watching the show for other elements (such as its focal point- CLARK) and you may be surprised that there is more to it than just Chloe.

Theshadow129x

11-16-2007, 07:41 AM

Hey I'm in love with Allison Mack....she doesnt know i exist though...but i love her.. *cries hysterically*

STFanatic

11-16-2007, 07:52 AM

It wasn't the worst I have watched by far.

I wasn't totally bummed over this episode as I have been with other past episodes, there were some good stuff along with the floor sweepings.

As I said in other threads, when I saw the "Kara in Detroit" scene, I immediately thought of how interesting that would be for a pilot theme for the possible Supergirl series.
The visuals were pretty good and we find that Clark still has a pretty tough hide even without powers, being flung that far and crashing into a car with a force that would be potentially fatal, and only ending up with a couple of small scratches (as he said to Chloe about his ER visit).
Lionel should have a wing at both Smallville and Metropolis hospitals by now.
I liked seeing the cave key again and Lionel rubbing his wrist were good continuity blips.

At least there were no vampires, exploding babies or drug induced visions of dead parents this time.

JorEl23

11-16-2007, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
Hey I'm in love with Allison Mack....she doesnt know i exist though...but i love her.. *cries hysterically*

that's all good dude, i'm sure she'd be flattered but no need to hate on everything else to profess your love...:)

ClarkyBoy14

11-16-2007, 08:21 AM

I thought it was a great episode, and I was entertainded from Act I to Act V. The acting was great and the stories are moving along nicely. I liked the look of the episode and having Clark finally meet his mom. And it left us with some big cliff-hangers!

My only complaint is I wish Clark could have spent more time with Lara and she and Martha should have met.

Theshadow129x

11-16-2007, 08:42 AM

i know its fiction and i know alot of people know its fiction but heres teh thing about the death and return of superman...he wasnt really dead! it was a load of crap. i know its fiction but the death of julian was actually something that like defined the lex character with a sympathetic side of him being shown. if julian really is alive it takes everything away from what we were told was going with the character in the past

MetroGirl06

11-16-2007, 09:19 AM

This was great episode and people need to stop over-analyzing things.

Timester

11-16-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by MetroGirl06
This was great episode and people need to stop over-analyzing things.

Over-analyzing perhaps the most obnoxious mistake in all Smallville's history? That's a contradicting statement.

Dannyblue1

11-16-2007, 09:55 AM

I don't get the argument that SV is a story based on a comic book where unbelievable things happen all the time so SV somehow can't be bad.

I was a comic book reader for years. And, let me tell you, comic books can suck too. And, even in comic book land, things can happen that leave the reader yelling "What the...?!"

Because even in comic books, where unbelievable things do happen, things still have to happen in a way that make sense in the world of that comic.

And in the world of SV, things should happen in a way that makes sense in that world.

A story is a story, whether it's in a comic book or a television show. And stories can be told badly, no matter what medium they are being told in.

Jaded Wolf

11-16-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
i know its fiction and i know alot of people know its fiction but heres teh thing about the death and return of superman...he wasnt really dead! it was a load of crap. i know its fiction but the death of julian was actually something that like defined the lex character with a sympathetic side of him being shown. if julian really is alive it takes everything away from what we were told was going with the character in the past

Umm... Yeah Superman was dead. Maybe not for long but he was dead. So was Jean Grey. So was Bucky. So was Jason Todd.

It takes nothing away from Julian's character because we never knew anything about Julian except from what Lex has revealed what little there was. It's another character addition and that is all.

Mello Penelo

11-16-2007, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by MaverickAZ
Mod Edit

Saying things like that can get you banned. I know you're new, but I'm just telling you to be careful from now on.

That said, this episode was pretty bad. I gave it a 2/10. But Magnetic was the worst episode ever.

Timester

11-16-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Jaded Wolf
It takes nothing away from Julian's character because we never knew anything about Julian except from what Lex has revealed what little there was. It's another character addition and that is all.

It takes from Lex. All the suffering the endure because of his dead brother is now gone. Heck, Lex went to Belle Reeve because of it and got his brains fried. And now they tell us that it was all lies. It was one of the best story arcs that we had in season 3 and now they destroyed it.

Mello Penelo

11-16-2007, 10:26 AM

Just to set up a Lex/Lois/Grant triangle. :\

Twitch

11-16-2007, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
Just to set up a Lex/Lois/Grant triangle. :\
Oh god please don't say that, I hate these damn love triangles! They're everywhere! :lol:

Mello Penelo

11-16-2007, 10:35 AM

I do too! They're horrible! But that's what they did... :eek:

paolinki25

11-16-2007, 11:01 AM

It wasn't the worst episode ever (Ageless and Promise were way worse. lol), but it did have some great WTF? moments that I hope will be explained in detail in the upcoming episodes.

KryptonStones

11-16-2007, 11:23 AM

Man, for some reason I actually liked Promise....the part where Lex killed the doctor with his bare hands was a classic scene in my opinion. But listen, it's not that this season is the worst one in the series, but it is the most bizarre and unexpected, which can either boost the show's quality or decrease it. As of now tyhe only episodes that stand out to me are "Action, Cure, and Bizzaro" that is IT! I don't mind Kara being on the show, but I honestly think the show would be better off. I'd much rather her have some sort of guest appearance, or another new character that the Smallville producers could insert into the Superman mythos with a link to Clark's past, or they could've straight up kept Raya.

Now, as for Blue being the worst SV episode to date, I can't exactly call it that because it was very mythos oriented. After I ignore the glaring plot holes and the extra emphasis placed on Kara, and perhaps maybe suspend all sense of logic in my being, yeah, I was able to enjoy it. But it's formula is very vague this season. I might season 1 was fresh, season 2 and 3 were flawless, season 4 was absolutely terrible, yet honestly when it had a good episode, that good episode turned out to be some of the BEST episodes of the series, i.e:Onyx, Run, Transference...Season 5's start was solid, but after "WRECKONING" it all went downhill, and season 6 was the exact opposite, after a most terrible start of a season with the exception of a few, it picked up during and after Justice! This season is just.....idk what to call it.....they have continuity, yet have created the biggest plot holes I have ever seen! Sry for the long rant I just had to GIVE OUT my 2 cents!

bad3appels

11-16-2007, 12:08 PM

Blue was horrible...i didn`t like it at all..

ClarkyBoy14

11-16-2007, 12:18 PM

Just because you don't understand a storyline completely yet doesn't make it a plothole or bad.

If that's the case, VM and Heroes must be some of the worst, most plothole filled shows ever created.

STFanatic

11-16-2007, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by KryptonStones
This season is just.....idk what to call it.....they have continuity, yet have created the biggest plot holes I have ever seen! Sry for the long rant I just had to GIVE OUT my 2 cents!

So you are saying the reason Clark bought the new Ram 4x4 truck was to help drive through the future plotholes?

:p

Mello Penelo

11-16-2007, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
Just because you don't understand a storyline completely yet doesn't make it a plothole or bad.

If that's the case, VM and Heroes must be some of the worst, most plothole filled shows ever created.

She probably understands it perfectly. I understood it perfectly, but I still hated it.

And if you don't understand Veronica Mars and Heroes... whatever.

Dannyblue1

11-16-2007, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by ClarkyBoy14
Just because you don't understand a storyline completely yet doesn't make it a plothole or bad.

I get that a plothole is a storypoint that the writers can't or never explain. And, since we don't know how they'll try to explain this story twist, it's very possible they'll do it so well there won't be any actual holes.

The problem is that, no matter what theory I try to go by (he's really Julian, he's another son, he's just some guy Lex has got fooled, he's a clone) I find holes. I've considered every possibility and, with all of them, there's something that just doesn't make sense.

Maybe things will be explained in a way that actually does make sense. I just really doubt it.

Poweranimals

11-16-2007, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Timester
It takes from Lex. All the suffering the endure because of his dead brother is now gone. Heck, Lex went to Belle Reeve because of it and got his brains fried. And now they tell us that it was all lies. It was one of the best story arcs that we had in season 3 and now they destroyed it. How does it take away from him? He's suffered from it for most of his life. This had nothing to with why Lex went to Belle Reeve. It was because Lionel killed his parents.

ClarkyBoy14

11-16-2007, 12:34 PM

Yes, but I think everyone is over reacting a tad bit. If the storyline plays out and there's still plotholes, you have every right to complain, but for now, it's all just a big mystery.

Mello Penelo

11-16-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I get that a plothole is a storypoint that the writers can't or never explain. And, since we don't know how they'll try to explain this story twist, it's very possible they'll do it so well there won't be any actual holes.

But yet, we've been let down by this for several seasons.

ClarkyBoy14

11-16-2007, 12:45 PM

I understood it perfectly, but I still hated it. My post wasn't targeted to just her, it was for everyone. And if you understand the whole story, please enlighten the rest of us. And you hate everything that has to do w/ SV, so I don't really care what you hate.
And if you don't understand Veronica Mars and Heroes... whatever. I never said that. But according to some peoples' logic, the shows are very bad because all storylines aren't resolved in one episode.

citizenlen

11-16-2007, 01:00 PM

It seems like smallville is following heroes cliffhanger and lots of WTF moments.

ETA: I know there's not a fanfare with Promise, butt I actually liked it than Blue. I guess its Kristin's acting that really made the episode strong. Zor-El is such a one-dimensional villain and Kara is exactly like Clark-full of angst. Now I know they're really related. Lois, why is she even it SV? Julian/Gabriel, big WTF? Chloe have officially become everyone's babysitter. She's talking about unprofessional and unethical, when Chloe herself was involved in office romance with Jimmy. No, he might not be her boss, butt they do work for DP.

Timester

11-16-2007, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Poweranimals
How does it take away from him? He's suffered from it for most of his life. This had nothing to with why Lex went to Belle Reeve. It was because Lionel killed his parents.

Uh, do you remember Shattered? Lex was hallucinate about Julian.

Fortunally, unlike AlMiles, I do not forget the previous seasons.

STFanatic

11-16-2007, 01:27 PM

"Shhh... you'll wake up Julian".

Nospam

11-16-2007, 01:30 PM

Thoughts?

margroks

11-16-2007, 02:28 PM

Everything. It sucked as an ep. Continuity was crap, Nois was crap with the confirmation of her getting her job becasue her boss had the hots for her. SHe can't type after over a year and Chloe should have let her sinnk on her own. This ep was crap.

STFanatic

11-16-2007, 02:43 PM

Too much Smallville intruding on the commercials, there was 39 minutes of it!

M0RGAN

11-16-2007, 02:51 PM

I really don't think this is the worst SV episode in history. (Let us not forget Spell. Or rather, lets....) At any rate the Julian mystery is something just to titilate our taste buds.

I honestly can't wait to see how this is all explained.

2shae

11-16-2007, 03:01 PM

It wasn't really that bad, but you know what it is...Smallville doesn't feel like Smallville anymore.
It's not the same show it was 2,3 or 4 seasons ago. I'm not really watching Smallville for the mythology so I don't really care that he is more Superman like now, but I'm watching for the overall structure of the show and that has changed into something unenjoyable.
I personally don't get excited to see the new episodes anymore. Supernatural on the other hand does.

Hydra

11-16-2007, 03:53 PM

I didn't HATE this episode at first. It wasn't particularly good, but I'd seen worse. But the Julian ruined it for me. That was tripe.

Demne

11-16-2007, 03:54 PM

Ok, I was dissapointed with the whole episode. They wasted Helen Slater just like they did Cain.

Lara did not do a damn thing in this episode. She basically made Lara a wimp who could not defend herself let alone her own son. She has the same powers as Clark, yet she just took everything like a pansy.

Kara also was made a joke of.. You would think that Kara could atleast hurt Zor-el.. but nope.. he caught her hand on the first thrust and she has the same powers as Clark.

Not only that, both of them together could easily take down Zor-el.. He was a scientist, not a military guy like Zod.

Then.. the whole blue krypton and ring not coming off finger crap.. that was stupid. I knew right when Lara gave him that ring it was doing to do something to weaken clark.

Then.. the whole Grant and Lois fling.. and Grant becoming Julien now? OMG.. who writes this stuff.

And then.. to finish it off.. Kara loses her memory. Can we get these writers off strike.. maybe during their downtime they can actually think up good stories.

dvg89

11-16-2007, 03:58 PM

The whole Grant and Lois thing is really annoying me and then Kara losing her memory though that was shocking

last man of krypton

11-16-2007, 05:36 PM

This had the potential to be a really great episode, but a few key blunders turned it into yet another average episode.
When Zor-El met Kara, I was thinking, "they're finally taking a hint from Heroes; not using every character every episode." Granted, I don't like Lana, but this was an episode she really didn't need to be in; she didn't assist any of the storylines at all (in fact, the line "look at everything you did to help my mother" nearly made me turn the TV off. Lana ran off without a second thought when she saw Zor-El, and stopping to help seemed like an afterthought, as though she forgot she needed a ride to Smallville).
It was good that they addressed exactly why Grant hired Lois (skills, not looks), but the romance came off as... lame.
There was one other little thing... what was it...? Oh yeah; JULIAN?!!?!?! First time I've used this Netspeak, but WTH?! There had better be a very, very good reason for this trampling over the only decent storyline from Season 3.

chelli

11-16-2007, 05:49 PM

the fact that both that Jor_EL and Lara coukd be destroyed by smashing the crystal They're flesh and blood clones not ho;ograms What do they think we are gulliable or unintelegent
That don't make any sense whatever

maryjanewatson

11-16-2007, 06:36 PM

Mr. Clark Kent27

11-16-2007, 06:44 PM

Clark didn't reunite with his real mother, Lara. Clark wasn't even that excited. He was just too busy. At first he was real excited, he didn't listen to Jor-El about his warnings, he really wanted to see his mom, and he had been thinking about her forever until she appeared. What The Hex!

This episode was really Blue.

reobeem

11-16-2007, 06:56 PM

All of those I hated but my top 2 would be Grant being Julien and Jor-El being so "out of place" as a person. I mean why dig up something that has no relevance to the season, why is Jor-El so grummpy about. I haven't been this upset with Smallville since season 6.

yosemiteangel

11-16-2007, 07:21 PM

I had to vote for a lot of them, but the thing that bugged me the MOST was the whole Grant/Julian thing. I mean, WTH? Isnt' Julian supposed to be 12 years younger than Lex? They got a lot of 'splainin' to do! :(

CeeJ

11-16-2007, 09:01 PM

why is there no "all of the above" option?!!!!

clana4everfan2

11-16-2007, 09:38 PM

I felt the episode and interaction between characters were way too rushed. And the whole Jullian /Grant thing.. I mean that is weird. I mean Season 3 Lex has a breakdown and thinks he killed Jullian. Season 4 Lex has another breakdown.. There is no continuity in terms of the whole Juiian plot from Season 3 until now.

Nospam

11-16-2007, 09:54 PM

I thought it was silly that Kara was so easily convinced to betray Clark and Lara, that Zor-El knew exactly where to find Lara when she at Oliver's apartment, that seconds after meeting Lana, Lara could apparently see into her soul (that was incredibly stupid), that utter disconnect between everything we've heard about Jor-El and our experiences with his FOS alter ego, the fact that Gabriel is Julian and why the hell Lara or Kara did almost nothing to diffuse the situation in the Fortress.

I actually liked this episode, but I had to put my brain in neutral a few times through the rough spots. I also felt that Helen Slater came across as far too wooden and flighty in her interpretation of Lara. I would preferred to see a stronger, more confident Lara that how she was depicted.

Honey45

11-16-2007, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by 2shae
It wasn't really that bad, but you know what it is...Smallville doesn't feel like Smallville anymore.
It's not the same show it was 2,3 or 4 seasons ago. I'm not really watching Smallville for the mythology so I don't really care that he is more Superman like now, but I'm watching for the overall structure of the show and that has changed into something unenjoyable.
I personally don't get excited to see the new episodes anymore. Supernatural on the other hand does.

I agree.
I think (for me, anyway) it's the mythology part of the show that is ruining it for me. I know a lot of people were b****ing and complaining "He's not Superman yet" but I was never one of those people..
Everything about Lara, Kara, Jorl-El and Zor-El bores me to death. Brainiac and Bizarro were fun and interesting, but now SV is a snooze-fest.

I didn't even bother watching "Blue", and I've never missed an episode in the entire series.

Honey45

11-16-2007, 11:04 PM

I hated everything to do with Lara and her backstory with Jor-El and Zor-El.

As for "The romance between Lois and Grant is like something from The Disney Channel" .. I don't think Disney would advice anyone to sleep with their bosses.
:lol:

Karafan07

11-16-2007, 11:13 PM

My pick, Kara getting dumped in Detriot and having a case of All My Circuts Amenisa. Hell why don't they just have an episode where no one remembers who they are? (Wait they tried that on Stargate Atlantis...and it sucked)

Okay done ranting. I'm just pissed Kara got the shaft.

STFanatic

11-16-2007, 11:48 PM

I am thinking they may be doing a set up for the Supergirl series.
She is far from Smallville, no memory of anyone from there, meeting new people while working at that restaurant (you know they are going there), meeting that cook, and finding out she has powers.
Sounds like a pilot setup to me ;)

sdogg1m

11-16-2007, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by I_am_LEX
guys... it wasnt his real mother... calm down. and if i remember right, in one of the old movies, he does meet her but she's more like a hologram. - and as far is Julian goes... it very well could be him because we never actually saw a funeral. and it is television after all.

the real question for me would be, why did lionel keep only LEX??!! Did he see something "special" in Lex or is he part of this balance or good and evil and somehow new that Lex is gonna be Clark(Superman's) Enemy (balance)? far fetched i know, but thats why its FICTION guys.

actually, lex has a sister too! dont believe me?... check that one yourself

Ok, his real mother or a remake of his mother. Clark Kent's mother has always been Martha (because he has never known his biological mother)!!!

Furthermore, no where does the story give the impression that the Kent's were hand picked to take care of Clark. The obvious, DUH, would be that Jor-El and Lara-El would have to know that the Kent's would be driving (Smallville) by the landing spot at the exact time that Kal-El landed. Are kryptonian's prophets now as well?

Julian, while not affecting the Superman story, is a load of crap. Lex lied to his father about Julian being dead?!?!? I am interested in seeing how the story unfolds but I don't like a whole season of story line (season 3) twisted by one episode.

Superbeard

11-17-2007, 01:26 AM

I really liked the actor who played Zor-El.

I despised Helen Slater as Lara.

The episode felt really really forced and rushed.

Worst episode of the season, or maybe second worst after the Weather Girls....

Oooookay I just finished the episode. That was even worse than I thought. Horribly rushed and horribly written.

Theshadow129x

11-17-2007, 06:59 AM

ok maybe its not the worst episode of the series so far, but it was a terrible episode none the less. Usually its the mythos connected episodes that are the ones that define the series but this episode didnt do that. They actually made the episode none interesting and made it feel more like a filler more than anything.

M0RGAN

11-17-2007, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Theshadow129x
ok maybe its not the worst episode of the series so far, but it was a terrible episode none the less. Usually its the mythos connected episodes that are the ones that define the series but this episode didnt do that. They actually made the episode none interesting and made it feel more like a filler more than anything.
I don't think it felt like a filler. Actually, it gave us a little info in terms of future plots & gave us new storylines to consider.

1. Kara's memory loss in Detroit: How is she going to get back to SV? Will she even get back before the season's end?

2. The release of Zor' El: What are the consequences to Clark for releasing Zor' El? When Zor' El was reprogramming the FOS did he do something other than cause an eclipse? How will it effect Clark's training in the future?

3. Lionel as Jor' El's vessel: Zor' El was able to track Lionel down. How was that possible if Jor' El's influence is supposedly not present in Lionel? Lionel showed that he knew who Zor' El was. By default that means Lionel knows who Kara is. What else does Lionel know.

4. Julian Luther as Grant: How is this possible? Does Lionel know the truth? (Considering the mysterious phone conversation in Wrath, I have the sinking suspicion that they are working together.) How is he involved in Lex's projects?

Plenty of possible story archs, but so little time!!

Theshadow129x

11-17-2007, 07:37 AM

but that WAS the problem, there was way to much ging on in such a short span of time. i think teh best smallville episodes are when theres two storylines but they get intertwined somewhere throughout the duration of the episode. this had three and two of them intertwined but didnt have a relevance to the main story and along the way messed up some key points to the main characters that were already established. lois sleeping her way to the top and then still sleeping with the editor and then julian and lex....ruing a great reason as to why he is the way he is. its too much too in such a little amount of time. this should have been a part two part episode. the first to show Clark's relationship build with his mother (with no lana) and the second with the return of Zor-el and what he planned on doing to the planet. it would have made the story arc alot better and more fulfilling.

Theshadow129x

11-17-2007, 07:39 AM

everything in this episode was bad.

haltoe

11-17-2007, 08:05 AM

The treatment of Kara is ridiculous. She should be an outstanding addition to Smallville but her character is being wasted.

As someone else said, she and Clark fighting together should have overcome Zor-el. Instead what we got was that

1. Kara is of no help against Zor-el as if the message is "Go back to the kitchen woman, the hero business is for men!"

2.Then Kara ends up as an amnesiac in Detroit who apparently has also lost her powers.

Sorry but I don't find it "entertaining" to see a woman degraded and humiliated. I watched because I thought it'd be interesting to see a female superhero but I guess one will have to look elsewhere than Smallville for that.

samanta

11-17-2007, 09:23 AM

I don't think it was the worst episode ever but it was pretty bad. I hate Grant being Julian arc.
I haven't liked any episode of s7(maybe Cure but it was only because of Dean Cain).
S7 has potontial to be my least favorite season.

Johniam22

11-17-2007, 09:33 AM

Yes,this may not be the best episode,but i just had to reply to this.

Chloe have officially become everyone's babysitter. She's talking about unprofessional and unethical, when Chloe herself was involved in office romance with Jimmy. No, he might not be her boss, butt they do work for DP.

Ok, i understand what your saying. But think about it.Did Chloe's romance get her hired? No. Did she constantly have make out sessions when she should be working?Again No. When jimmy and her were at work they focused on their job ,and then outside the DP they had their makeout sessions. There is a difference.

xrayvision

11-17-2007, 11:58 AM

Well, I agree with your points, but they have been screwing Clark for years now (hey, they screwed him again this episode). Before fixing anyone else, they gotta fix him.

Spork

11-17-2007, 12:29 PM

You're being way too sensitive.

M0RGAN

11-17-2007, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Johniam22
Yes,this may not be the best episode,but i just had to reply to this.

Ok, i understand what your saying. But think about it.Did Chloe's romance get her hired? No. Did she constantly have make out sessions when she should be working?Again No. When jimmy and her were at work they focused on their job ,and then outside the DP they had their makeout sessions. There is a difference. I think you're forgetting Chloe & Jimmy's botched 'movie night' in Noir. Chloe was working late & he set up a film projecter so they could watch movies 'on the clock.' I don't think they were all that focused on their jobs then, do you?

M0RGAN

11-17-2007, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by yosemiteangel
I had to vote for a lot of them, but the thing that bugged me the MOST was the whole Grant/Julian thing. I mean, WTH? Isnt' Julian supposed to be 12 years younger than Lex? They got a lot of 'splainin' to do! :( I just had to roll my eyes at the Lana has darkness conversation. They need to kick that story into gear or just get rid of it.

I actually didn't mind the Grant/Julian story. I'm really interested in how they will explain it & how it will effect the rest of this season.

red_cape_7

11-17-2007, 02:45 PM

all of the above. this episode was totally random, but im such a smallville junky i still watched it 3 times... im sick!

Xanderman

11-17-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Jaded Wolf
This one was by far the best of this season so far. I completely agree. Best ep in years actually.

Johniam22

11-17-2007, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by M0RGAN
I think you're forgetting Chloe & Jimmy's botched 'movie night' in Noir. Chloe was working late & he set up a film projecter so they could watch movies 'on the clock.' I don't think they were all that focused on their jobs then, do you?

Well,I've never seen Noir. I thought it was a dream though right? But if I'm wrong which is worse watching a movie? Or making out with your EDITOR with lots of nosy reporters around? Honestly tell me which is more job threatening?

chelli

11-17-2007, 04:59 PM

Din't jump to conclusions about whether Kara losr her powers all that is known is her memory is gone She would show restraint as anyone wpujd Anyone could have violently attacked thr door nut most don't so rKara was just using the same restraint anyone would super ot not
though it will be several episodes anything ids heard of her again
Habits once learned are not easily forgotten even under amnesia so Kara did have her powers keft intact

darkkrypton81

11-17-2007, 06:52 PM

I find the Grant/Lois relationship BORING!!!!

I can't wait to see the look on everyone's faces when it's revealed that he is JULIAN LUTHOR!!!

simaozinho200

11-17-2007, 07:07 PM

the whole grant is julian thing i thought that lexs mother killed julian with the pillow when julian was in the crib and also the ending what gonna happen to clark what is the consequence that jor-el has for clarks disobediance

M0RGAN

11-17-2007, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Johniam22
Well,I've never seen Noir. I thought it was a dream though right? But if I'm wrong which is worse watching a movie? Or making out with your EDITOR with lots of nosy reporters around? Honestly tell me which is more job threatening?
It starts out with the movie night at work, then Lana gets shot, then the shooter hits Jimmy over the head & that's where the noir dream sequence starts.

Concerning the Job Threat: Well, you will get a bad rap from the locals for using the boss's desk for heavy petting, but odds are you will get fired for slacking. Sad thing is that Lois ends up with more job security than Chloe or Jimmy in comparison.

KansasKitty

11-17-2007, 09:02 PM

I think the Lara character was a big disappointment. Nothing about her seems Kryptonian like when she refers to Kara as "sweetheart" . Do they use that term on Krypton?
The character does not appear to have much backbone. She seems really spooked by Zor-el. So where does Kal-el get his courage from? It must be his adopted mother; not apparently his birth mom. AND THEN she lets Kara take the knife after she was the one who found it and was she really ok with the idea of young Kara taking on the task of killing her own father?!!

Her reunion with her son seemed almost conversational. Her mindless repetition of "My son, my son" just did not sell the moment.
What in the world did Jor-el ever see in this women?

On another note I think Julian/Grant has something to do with that nanny of Lex's that was dying of cancer. Somebody had an affair or somebody was switched at birth. That is my guess.

chelli

11-18-2007, 02:20 AM

What do you expect lara to have said.From her viewpoint thee last thing on her mind was she was about to die the next she found herself in the FOS Think that would have been disorienting enough
(and how is it she would even remember her last days when Zor-El would have taken her DNA months or years earlier
As clones only posses the memories at the time they were taken not future experiences or memories that was an apparent goof) also wish the two mothers actually would have met face to face as well

when dealing with aliens we tend to give them human qualities both good and bad so Lara saying My Sweetheart would be in keepimg with terms of affection both as we would use them and are universal as well
Remember our ancestors gave the gods human characteristics and vices as we possess so why not aliens then
jryponians are shown as having love and hate and warlike as we are so shouldn't their use of affectionate terms be similar as well

GuardianAngel

11-18-2007, 05:28 AM

I didn't like Tom's acting in this episode. It seemed way too artificial, especially when he decided to insert the blue crystal in the FOS console (why did he have to spin like that?) and when he approaches Zor-el with the green K. It seemed so forced...

chelli

11-18-2007, 06:30 AM

I'm nOT 100% sure but seems to me that Clark jas that forced look before when he battled someone *as you say) but in this instance even being somewhat shieided he could still be affected by the Kryptonite
and which he would appear to being forced.When in a weakened state it appeears abybody would be forced.Ever think of that

Welling_is_pretty

11-18-2007, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by GuardianAngel
I didn't like Tom's acting in this episode. It seemed way too artificial, especially when he decided to insert the blue crystal in the FOS console (why did he have to spin like that?) and when he approaches Zor-el with the green K. It seemed so forced...
I kinda liked the little twirl but that's just me. As for the green K I kinda agree on that one. But I loved all of Tom's scenes with Helen. I thought they were wonderful together and his reaction to having his Momma back brought tears to my eyes.

but yeah, voted for Grant is Julian? How the f*ck did that happen?. The episode was great up until that. Then I was sitting there going "wait...what?!"

Promise

11-19-2007, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by JorEl23
Granted, like anything ever mythos themed, especially in the eyes of a comic reader things could have been done differently and/or improved upon. Quite frankly, that goes for anything in the genre. Even GREAT works like Donner's Superman or Batman Begins have their critics esp the fanboy crowd. But do you people hear yourselves??? Chloe chloe chloe chloe chloe...its straight ANNOYING already!! Allison does a great job acting. Chloe has evolved into an interesting and important part of the show. But that said, she did nothing extra ordinary in this episode, period. Try watching the show for other elements (such as its focal point- CLARK) and you may be surprised that there is more to it than just Chloe.

Get'em Jor-EL!!!:D

eas

11-19-2007, 01:51 PM

I think, in my case, the question would be: What did you not hate about this episode? And the answer would be: nothing.

Everything sucked... from Clark's odd behavior to Lois/Grant's stupendously idiotic fling to the whole "Kara/Lara/Zor-El/Jor-El" weirdness at the FoS.

Twitch

11-19-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Welling_is_pretty
But I loved all of Tom's scenes with Helen. I thought they were wonderful together and his reaction to having his Momma back brought tears to my eyes.
Sadly I felt the complete opposite, I didn't feel anything in their scenes together, I wanted to but I didn't feel anything, just an emptiness.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Helen is a great actress, as is TW, but I just didn't feel any chemistry between them at all. I was hoping for a more emotional reaction from both Clark and Lara. I found the whole thing really rushed, they tried to pack too much into this episode and to me the Clark/Lara interactions, which could have been truly great, suffered because of this. If you compare it to a scene like Martha and Clark at the end of "Memoria", the emotion in "Blue" felt nonexistent.

Sweetie

11-19-2007, 03:30 PM

Grant is Julian?Really,pathetic!!!They have to destroy everything on this show including the topics that should be ignore completly :rolleyes:

borednow

11-20-2007, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by eas
I think, in my case, the question would be: What did you not hate about this episode? And the answer would be: nothing.

Everything sucked... from Clark's odd behavior to Lois/Grant's stupendously idiotic fling to the whole "Kara/Lara/Zor-El/Jor-El" weirdness at the FoS.

Not everything was horrible. Lois' hair looked great :lol:

Kal-alien

11-20-2007, 10:24 AM

I had to go with the Bushism...heheh...Can't get fooled again!

Fly by guy

11-20-2007, 01:58 PM

Julian? Alive? I think we need to bring in Dr. Helen from season 2 and let her figure out how Lex pulled his DEAD brother out of his butt.
A clone has x-ray vision and can see a darkness in Lana? Maybe she's just a mind reader. Read my mind, the episode left too many questions. Did Lois learn nothing from talking to Choe or did Lana knock what little brain she had left out in Wrath.
Clark can hold green K? Stand me in water, drop a light in it and call me stunned. Thank Goodness they haven't given him the ability to fly.
Good Lionel, or evil Lionel? At least he stands (while being on the floor) up for Clark if not Lex. I wonder why he was so distraugt in Memoria over Julian's death if he knew he wasn't really dead. Acting award for him, definitely.
Blue was alot of stuff. Mostly it didn't stand up to scrutiny. Appropriate to have the Turkey so near Thanksgiving.