Mistakes/Inconsistencies & Plotholes in Blue

[xrayvision]

One of the biggest mistakes is how Grant is Julian. Julian was born when Lex was 12 years old according to Memoria. Clark was about 3 when he arrived on Earth and Lex was 9, so that means Clark was 6 years old when Julian was born. That would mean that Julian would at best just be starting highschool now. There is no way Grant is 14-15 years old unless he's some rapid aged clone of Julian, and if this were to be true, he would had to have been created after the Emily Dinsmore clone since Lionel's cloning process had bugs in it back then that had to be worked out. Or Julian would have to be some sort of age accelerated meteor freak. The only way they could pull this off is by going back and saying that everything we've been told is a lie. And that's a major copout. That would be some of the laziest writing they could ever do just to fit something they want to do now by retconning it because the brilliant way they developed the Julian story in the past (seasons 1-3) would not allow their current plans to take place.

I hope they don't do this. I hope this is all a farce on Lex's part, because this would butcher one of the best written stories they did in this series. In Memoria, everything regarding Julian came together without any plotholes or inconsistencies. I don't want Julian's story to become another story like Chloe's mom.

I have a feeling that Julian is a clone. But does Lionel know about him? Or in other words, did he create the Julian clone? Or did Lex? I have a theory about this that would work even if Grant is a clone (which I hope is the case).

[Who]

Er... Maybe Exposure to Meteor Rocks Brought Him Back to Life and Then Accelerated his Aging Process? Sorry That It The Best I Got. :lol:

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Maybe we are looking at this all wrong, we are automatically assuming that Lex is the bad guy in this situation, if the timeline and story is so blatantly screwed maybe GG is the bad guy and is manipulating Lex somehow.

My Plot Hole:
Clark introduced himself to Lara as Kal-El and she instantly knew he was her son. Zor-El made the crystal of Lara before Kara ever proposed the name Kal-El.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
Maybe we are looking at this all wrong, we are automatically assuming that Lex is the bad guy in this situation, if the timeline and story is so blatantly screwed maybe GG is the bad guy and is manipulating Lex somehow.

My Plot Hole:
Clark introduced himself to Lara as Kal-El and she instantly knew he was her son. Zor-El made the crystal of Lara before Kara ever proposed the name Kal-El.

I'm not sure if that's a plothole. We don't know the technology of the crystal. Maybe it had learning powers that would pass on more info and encode it into the DNA of Lara & Zor-El. I think Zor-El updated it because as of 1986, he knew that Lara was pregnant with a son.

But you may be right about GG. I will definitely withhold judgement. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they do a good job on this.

[moviefan2k4]

My only theories about Grant being Julian are brainwashing somehow being involved, or perhaps some sort of "baby switch" before Lillian's infanticide attempt. Other than that, I got nothin'.

[Chloe>All]

Why did Lionel know who Zor-El was but didn't know that Clark's real mother is Lara (he refers to Zor-El looking for "some woman" named Lara)?

Why didn't Clark just grab the dagger and stab Zor-El? It would have killed him and saved Lara.

[Yggdrasill]

Originally posted by Chloe>All
Why did Lionel know who Zor-El was but didn't know that Clark's real mother is Lara (he refers to Zor-El looking for "some woman" named Lara)?

Why didn't Clark just grab the dagger and stab Zor-El? It would have killed him and saved Lara.

But that wouldn't have gotten rid of the Blue Ring, and that way Clark could never fulfil his destiny.
Besides, if Clark had tried to stab him with the dagger, Zor-El would've just dodged/blocked it and killed him instantly.

But this episode sure was a great example of inconsistencies surrounding Green-K, like when Kara was able to stand up when Clark walked past her holding the Green-K.

[Theshadow129x]

the whole extra kryptonians being on earth before and Clark knowing exactly how his mom was is a big enough plot hole.

[xrayvision]

Another question is where the hell did the dagger come from? Last we saw it, it was broken in 2 and left in the Luthor mansion. Who fixed it? Did Clark perhaps pick it up in Zod while going back to the mansion to bring Lana to the hospital? It doesn't make sense. If he went back to get the dagger, why did he leave Brainiac's octagonal power source at the mansion and not take it with him? The same applies to Lionel if he's the one who took the dagger. I can't stand how they don't focus on important things like this.

[Twitch]

Did anyone else find the use of kryptonite in the FOS scene a little sloppy? I think it would have been cool if Lara, Kara and Zor-El would have all dropped to their knees in pain or something when Clark first entered with the kryptonite. They were all pretty close by weren't they? I know Kara and Zor-El were, but it didn't seem to effect Kara as much as Zor-El, which is odd. What I found even worse though was when Zor-El was able to knock the kryptonite off his own chest and then it suddenly didn't effect him anymore, even though it would have been laying on the ground next to him...

I don't know maybe I should watch the scene again, perhaps it wasn't that bad, but the first time I watched it didn't feel right. What do you guys think?

[rogerufo]

What happened to the ring? Did I miss something? One minute Clark is on the farm trying to destroy an indestructible ring super-glued to his finger and having no luck, and the next time we see him, he is at the fortress of solitude. He had to have removed the ring before he got there, otherwise how did he get there?

[Harrison_Bergeron]

I forgot about that after all the plot twists! They never explained how Chloe's Yaris got Clark to the North Pole.

Him trying to grind off the ring was a huge writing mistake, I took a jewelry class in high school and burned myself damn near every day trying to grind on rings for more than 10-15 seconds at a time, Clark would have severely injured himself doing what he was doing. The ring would have gotten red hot while being stuck on his finger.

[xrayvision]

^^He got to the North Pole with the octagonal key. He opened up a book that it was in. So we know he went to the cave, though they didn't show it, and used the portal to get to the FOS. As for removing the ring, I think that could only happen after the crystal was destroyed.


Originally posted by Twitch
Did anyone else find the use of kryptonite in the FOS scene a little sloppy? I think it would have been cool if Lara, Kara and Zor-El would have all dropped to their knees in pain or something when Clark first entered with the kryptonite. They were all pretty close by weren't they? I know Kara and Zor-El were, but it didn't seem to effect Kara as much as Zor-El, which is odd. What I found even worse though was when Zor-El was able to knock the kryptonite off his own chest and then it suddenly didn't effect him anymore, even though it would have been laying on the ground next to him...

I don't know maybe I should watch the scene again, perhaps it wasn't that bad, but the first time I watched it didn't feel right. What do you guys think?

I don't remember...was Kara even shown using her powers after the crystal was placed into the FOS? It may be that Zor-El programmed it to take away everyone's powers but his own once Clark put on the ring. I don't remember seeing Lara or Kara making an effort to beat up Zor-El with their powers.

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Didn't Kara struggle with him when she tried to get him with the dagger? Maybe he was just going easy on his daughter and not using his full power. Oh wait, Kara got to the FOS without going through any portal.

[STFanatic]

Since the ring was created when Lara's replacant was, when she went >Poof< so did the ring.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
Didn't Kara struggle with him when she tried to get him with the dagger? Maybe he was just going easy on his daughter and not using his full power. Oh wait, Kara got to the FOS without going through any portal.

How did she know where the FOS was? Did Lara lead her? I don't remember the exact details.

[WickedJenn]

I definitely think there's a lot more to the GG/Julian thing than they're letting on.

Albeit I was shocked, but I feel as though we'll find out more on this.

[STFanatic]

In the barn scene where Clark is trying to grind the ring off of his finger (that was bad enough), There is a Texas license plate on the wall, it reads "763-CD".
The problem with this is that Texas has six characters on them not five.
Had it read "753-CD8", that would have been an legitimate Texas Farm Truck plate number.

[WickedJenn]

Originally posted by STFanatic
In the barn scene where Clark is trying to grind the ring off of his finger (that was bad enough), There is a Texas license plate on the wall, it reads "763-CD".
The problem with this is that Texas has six characters on them not five.
Had it read "753-CD8", that would have been an legitimate Texas Farm Truck plate number.

Wow you are good lol.

[STFanatic]

:lol: only because I am a Texan, when I first saw the plate the last number/letter was obscured, and I was like "Whoa, a Texas tag!, then when it came into full view I went :eek:!! BAD REPLICA BAD!!!

[DawnFire]

I caught onto the Julian thing the second they said it...Grant is at least in his mid 20's...but Julian I belive would be younger then Clark if still alive, bc Lex is about 6 years older then him...it all doesn't work...

[Chlark Kent]

Originally posted by STFanatic
In the barn scene where Clark is trying to grind the ring off of his finger (that was bad enough), There is a Texas license plate on the wall, it reads "763-CD".
The problem with this is that Texas has six characters on them not five.
Had it read "753-CD8", that would have been an legitimate Texas Farm Truck plate number.

Maybe it was a vanity plate, but all the guy's clever ideas were already taken. ;)

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Does the license plate number mean anything? Seems like it would make one of those cool throwback hints. Maybe "DC 367"

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Yggdrasill
But that wouldn't have gotten rid of the Blue Ring, and that way Clark could never fulfil his destiny.

There are a lot of reasons why Clark isn't fulfilling his destiny right now, but believe me, that Blue Ring wasn't anywhere near the top of the list. That spot is reserved for "Clark's not fulfilling his destiny because he's a BDA" :p

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by STFanatic
In the barn scene where Clark is trying to grind the ring off of his finger (that was bad enough), There is a Texas license plate on the wall, it reads "763-CD".
The problem with this is that Texas has six characters on them not five.
Had it read "753-CD8", that would have been an legitimate Texas Farm Truck plate number.

What about Texas non-farm truck plate numbers? Could it have been one of those? In earlier seasons, you could easily see Jonathan's license plate collection usually hanging from the top. I saw quite a few plates there. There was one from Jersey, Colorado, and a bunch of other states. I'm not sure if they're all farm truck plates or if he just collected any plates from the 50 states.

[DarkChilde]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Another question is where the hell did the dagger come from? Last we saw it, it was broken in 2 and left in the Luthor mansion. Who fixed it? Did Clark perhaps pick it up in Zod while going back to the mansion to bring Lana to the hospital? It doesn't make sense. If he went back to get the dagger, why did he leave Brainiac's octagonal power source at the mansion and not take it with him? The same applies to Lionel if he's the one who took the dagger. I can't stand how they don't focus on important things like this.

I doubt it was the same dagger from Zod, there were 3 other Kryptonians there and also Lara made a comment that Jor-El always had one on him. I am sure there are a couple more daggers laying aroung :)

[xrayvision]

Well, when Lara said that, I thought she said it because she had never been to the FOS before. I would think if there was another dagger, it would have been used against Zod. I think it was fixed once the FOS was repaired. It looked exactly the same.

[clarkbunny]

I thought the dagger was Lara's

I have to say I thought the scene with the kryptonite in the FOS was a bit lame. I was really expecting Clark, Zor-el, Kara & Lara to be writhing on the floor in agony and I thought Clark would have brought Choe with him to move the kryptonite.

It was quite amusing to watch Zor-el roll the kryptonite just next to his foot and then stand up fully restored from the kryptonite poisoning :lol:

Julian still being alive???

Kara not even questioning where Lara came from.

Lana not even questioning where Lara came from. Although to be honest Clark has told her he's from another planet and introduced her to Martians I guess nothing fazes her now :lol:

Clark: Lana meet Pvfarg my two headed friend from Neptune
Lana: that's nice dear, I expect he'll be wanting some lemonade :lol:

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by Harrison_Bergeron
My Plot Hole:
Clark introduced himself to Lara as Kal-El and she instantly knew he was her son. Zor-El made the crystal of Lara before Kara ever proposed the name Kal-El.

Her final memory was the destruction of Krypton. She was clearly supposed to have all of Lara's memories.


Originally posted by Yggdrasill
But that wouldn't have gotten rid of the Blue Ring, and that way Clark could never fulfil his destiny.
Besides, if Clark had tried to stab him with the dagger, Zor-El would've just dodged/blocked it and killed him instantly.

I think Chloe>all meant that he could have killed Zor-El like that while Clark had him incapacitated via kryptonite.


Originally posted by Theshadow129x
the whole extra kryptonians being on earth before and Clark knowing exactly how his mom was is a big enough plot hole.

He saw his mother in Kara's memory when she was in the government lab, and he had a photo of her that she hid on the farm. They even reminded us that Clark knew who she was by having Clark looking at that very picture at the beginning of the episode.

[M0RGAN]

Originally posted by rogerufo
What happened to the ring? Did I miss something? One minute Clark is on the farm trying to destroy an indestructible ring super-glued to his finger and having no luck, and the next time we see him, he is at the fortress of solitude. He had to have removed the ring before he got there, otherwise how did he get there? No, he wouldn't have. He used the key to get to the FoS. Chloe specifically told Clark not to forget his book. The book was shown open & inside was the key.