Were you satisfied with the mythos element of this episode?

[xrayvision]

What did you think about the mythos element of this episode? Please vote.

[krpto]

I hated grant gabriel being julian I meen Last time we saw him he was an infant and dead and lex was nine how did he come back to life and now be almost as old as lex when he should be at least a few years younger then clark, chloe, lana, and the rest of them. It is just bad writing And i hope if not already explained in a written episode that when the strike eventually ends they find a way to explain it in the next episode written.

I didn't mind the Zor-el,lara stroy line because it at least made some sence with what else has happened in the smallville un iverse.

[svtwamedfan05]

Loved all of it. Completely and utterly shocked about Grant being Julian.

[Saber]

I know Smallville mythos will never compare to Superman mythos but at times, I feel like the SV writing is on a hamster wheel. Continually going in circles but never moving forward. Everything is always based on secrets, lies, love triangles, people that are dead come back and are related to everyone and their mother, Clark running from everything ( his life, destiny, the world).
I voted for "I didn’t like any of it".
It just seems like random plots that are thrown into a hat and then picked with no consideration to past details.
Even if this is alternative Clark/Supe version, I was hoping for more depth.

[Odysseus]

I loved all of it. For now, the Grant part doesn't make sense, but there's gotta be some explanation coming up.

I loved the House of El stuff wholeheartedly though. The great thing about this season is that there is now a lot more emphasis on Krypton than in the previous seasons.

That's the way I like it: less shipper (melo)drama, more mythos.

[Honey45]

Grant being Julian is fine.
But the rest about Lara, Zor-El and Jor-El are boooooring.

[Mello Penelo]

The one and only, and I mean ONLY, thing I found redeeming about this episode is the continuity from Relic, where Lara thought Clark was Jor-El. Otherwise, I thought the episode was incredibly poor.

[Alexander III]

This whole Julian thing is still a shock to me!

[kentfamily]

Julian is a Clone. hahahaha!

[xrayvision]

As much as I usually love episodes like this, Blue was somewhat of a disappointment.

It was an exciting episode. But I think there was a lot going on. Sometimes, too much.

I don't like how they made blue kryptonite be just another way of Clark losing his powers. This plot is old and I don't think they need any other devices to get to this plot. Blue-k should have been shown to effect Clark in a way that none of the other kryptonites have.

I also didn't like what they did with Zor-El. I think he's too much like Zod. They both wanted to recreate Krypton on Earth. I was hoping they would surprise us with something better. After all the speculation about the blue crystal, I think it was a letdown.

I still don't know about Grant. I will hold my judgment. I hope he turns out to be a fake or worst case a clone. Having him be the real Julian would make no sense since he's supposed to be 6 years younger than Clark (7 years younger than Lois). So I will wait to see what happens.

One of the biggest disappointments was the lack of knowledge of Jor-El and the events on Krypton. I was really hoping we'd find out about how exactly Krypton exploded, who reprogrammed Brainiac, some info on Zod, and what Zor-El was really up to. This cloning thing this season is getting out of hand. I wanted to see Lara interacting with the FOS Jor-El program. I want to hear about Jor-El more and what he was actually working on. A timeline of events that led to Krypton's destruction would have been nice.

The eclipse made no sense.

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The eclipse made no sense.

LOL I know....what WAS the purpose of that???

I didn't mind the Lara and Zor-el deal.....but I truly enjoyed the development with Kara and the Julian reveal. I'm one of the few people who could give a crap what age Julian is "supposed" to be. To me, it was an exciting revelation and I will be waiting impatiently to see how it develops.

[ginnyfan]

Grant should have been Lucas.

I kind of wish that Jor-el had inhabited Lionel and that he and Zor-el could have had a more human argument, as brothers, colleagues, scientists and then enemies.

Zor-el's lust for Lara creeped me the hell out. The idea that he would threaten Clark's life so that he could have sex with Lara... *shudders*

That was very Zod and I hated it.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Grant should have been Lucas.

I kind of wish that Jor-el had inhabited Lionel and that he and Zor-el could have had a more human argument, as brothers, colleagues, scientists and then enemies.

Zor-el's lust for Lara creeped me the hell out. The idea that he would threaten Clark's life so that he could have sex with Lara... *shudders*

That was very Zod and I hated it.

Well Lucas is alive. If you mean instead of having the Grant character, they should have had Lucas back, I 100% agree (heck, that's what I had planned for my fanfics for a while now).

[SweetOne]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Zor-el's lust for Lara creeped me the hell out. The idea that he would threaten Clark's life so that he could have sex with Lara... *shudders*

I feel the exact same way!! I meant to comment on that but I had forgotten...so when you wrote that I had to laugh! I haven't seen anyone else bring it up.....

The way that he kept bringing up "being with her" and the lengths that he would go really gave me the heeby-jeebies!! And when he was a like "Oh...we will be one big happy family......Lara, Kara, Clark and me." I was like..."What a singleminded pervert! YOU would do something like, clone yourself just to come back and get it on with Kal-el's mom!"

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well Lucas is alive. If you mean instead of having the Grant character, they should have had Lucas back, I 100% agree (heck, that's what I had planned for my fanfics for a while now).

Yeah... I wish that the reveal had been that Grant was secretly Lucas.

[Saber]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Yeah... I wish that the reveal had been that Grant was secretly Lucas.
You know I would’ve been alright with this. Even so Paul Wesley(Lucas) was a c-u-t-i-e with those thick eyebrows that made him look like a total badass :D . I would’ve gone for the story plot of some plastic surgery in order to hide out from Lionel’s wrath.

[Yggdrasill]

Originally posted by xrayvision


I don't like how they made blue kryptonite be just another way of Clark losing his powers. This plot is old and I don't think they need any other devices to get to this plot. Blue-k should have been shown to effect Clark in a way that none of the other kryptonites have.



The Blue-K didn't just made Clark lose his powers, it also made him lose his weaknesses (being affected by Green-K and maybe other kinds of Kryptonite). It could prove quite useful, and not just because Clark and Lana could finally get it on.

But it was destroyed right? What a shame.

[Joelito]

Agree..they used Zor-El almost like Zod in "Zod".

But was cool the twist..Julian???? o.O

[LODGE4]

The idea that he would threaten Clark's life so that he could have sex with Lara...

Damn, Look how beautiful Helen Slater still is - I don't blame him at all !!!

[Mello Penelo]

You know, for Jor-El to go to Earth and hook up with Louise when he had Lara back on Krypton-- no wonder he's a jackass.

[KryptonStones]

After seeing Zor-El in action, I'm bugging out over the whole "Zod" thing and him possessing Lex. The guy who played Zor-El would've made an even better Zod in my honest opinion, but as far as the question goes, for some reason I just wasn't satisfied at all. Yes, it was very mythos oriented..but it simply wasn't done right. Clark, whom I have defened several times, has truly had too many BDA moments to even don the cape that is Superman's, this whole Julian thing, though a VERY interesting and unexpected plot twist, is confusing and has brought up so many plot holes that the writer's will have to address. Yet, it also conflicts me because I thought the whole...."JULIEX" scene was the hightlight of the episode. So I chose the third option.

[LODGE4]

The Blue-K didn't just made Clark lose his powers, it also made him lose his weaknesses

When Superman loses his super powers, kryptonite has no effect on him - this has always been the case.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by LODGE4
The Blue-K didn't just made Clark lose his powers, it also made him lose his weaknesses

When Superman loses his super powers, kryptonite has no effect on him - this has always been the case.

No it isn't. Kryptonite has to do with his physiology. Not his powers. When his powers are gone, he's still Kryptonian.

[xrayvision]

Traditionally (based on the comics) you're right Mello, but the way Al/Miles have messed it up, vulnerability to kryptonite is only there when he has powers.

I think what LODGE4 meant by "always been the case" is the way it's been handled on the show. But compared to the comics, he's vulnerable to kryptonite whether or not he has powers.

I still don't like it though. I think there are enough things that make him lose his powers. I don't think blue-k should have been another one added to that list.

[LODGE4]

In the comics, Blue Kryptonite was created by putting Green Kryptonite through the imperfect duplicating machine that created Bizarro and that Blue Kryptonite could kill Bizarro the way Green Kryptonite could kill Superman. The comics and the show are VERY different.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Al/Miles have messed it up

Just like everything else.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by LODGE4
In the comics, Blue Kryptonite was created by putting Green Kryptonite through the imperfect duplicating machine that created Bizarro and that Blue Kryptonite could kill Bizarro the way Green Kryptonite could kill Superman. The comics and the show are VERY different.

I know. I like the use of blue-k in the comics a lot better. I wish it would have been used like steroids for Clark (like green-k was for Bizarro). If I were TPTB, I would have introduced blue-k as a product of the drained kryptonite that Bizarro sucked in (that clear kryptonite) turning blue in the presence of green-k.

[Crispin Glover]

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What I'm really interested to see is what happens when Lionel finds out.

And the actor playing Grant is like 22 or 23 I think. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that work age wise.

The whole Zor-El aspect of the show was a little convaluted. There was too much going on and not much going on if you think about it. Also, yeah blocking the Sun would have Zor-El lose his powers since the Sun on Earth is where kryptonians get their powers.

Kara was poorly used. Lara was great. I really think Helen Slater's performance was among the best "Smallville's" had. The whole Lana fighting her evil side was lame.

I just hope the aftermath of Jor-El towards Clark for not obeying him is harsher than Kara having no memory and lost in Detroit. Clark is seriously an idiot. It takes the whole boy scout running into the "flames" approach way too far. He may be naive but he shouldn't blatenly defy Jor-El when he knows Jor-El is right.

[xrayvision]

It doesn't work age wise. Julian should be about 15 years old.

[axisoftime]

I didnt like how Zor-El was portrayed-I remember him as being a noted and respected scientist-who helped save Argo City.
Even if Grant is Jullian it still has nothing to do with Superman Mythos-nor does Lionel.

[xrayvision]

Well, the subject of this thread was referring to the established Smallville mythos, which was we all know, varies considerably from the Superman comics mythos.

[axisoftime]

Oh-I thought it was the Superman mythos as it related to the ep.

[xrayvision]

Nah, I wouldn't compare the Superman mythos to this show anymore since it's so far away from the traditional comics mythos. :)

[Saber]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Nah, I wouldn't compare the Superman mythos to this show anymore since it's so far away from the traditional comics mythos. :)
True that, only the names are recognizable everything else is well… an “Elseworlds”.

[M0RGAN]

I rather liked it. I was a bit shocked by the whole Grant/Julian story twist, but I will love to see how they explain it in later episodes.

[meteor]

where did they say Grant was Julian? all i remember was the scene where they are playing pool and there was no mention of Julian at all.

[freefall]

Originally posted by meteor
where did they say Grant was Julian? all i remember was the scene where they are playing pool and there was no mention of Julian at all.

The other scene where Grant confronted Lex about him planting bugs in his office.

[meteor]

Originally posted by seacrystal
The other scene where Grant confronted Lex about him planting bugs in his office.

thanks SC..someone cleared that up for me in the theories section. i totally missed that scene; will have to go to Youtube and rewatch.:cool:

Grant is Julian..i totally didn't see that one coming.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Yeah... I wish that the reveal had been that Grant was secretly Lucas.
me too! It would have made more sense, IMO.

and I much preferred the Lara stuff.

[Radioflyer]

Grant Gabriel being julian = Bad idea. TPTB need to think a little harder.

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by xrayvision
What did you think about the mythos element of this episode?

If you call "doing whatever you want with a haphazardly put together story, throwing in a new piece of stupid Kryptonite without any regard to the established effects of the color and a family love triangle" mythos, then no way.

Or the dead baby resurrection, still no way. No way at all.

[Theshadow129x]

this episod ewas just horrible over all. i mean seriously it was like they did what they could to just add shock value to the show becuase we havent had that since season 3. its just...ugh let me stop before i go on a rampage on this keyboard.

[pacofajita]

There was no mythos. It was just an example of TPTB doing whatever they wanted and putting it on film.